Bomber Boys Revealed

[FOZ_1983]

A superb programme on channel 5 tonight, im watching it now.

Has anyone else been watching and what do you think? Its great to see a programme all about bomber command and the valiant work and effort they did. Some of the footage is rather disturbing though. The survivor accounts are incredible though.

As for the Germans... the treatment they gave the "terror boys" was disgusting.

A superb documentary. If anyone can catch it then you should :D

[Gilly]

Couldn't agree more Foz. Thought it both insightful as well as harrowing in places. Great footage and testaments from the chaps themselves. There's not much Channel 5 do that I can honestly say I like but hats off to them for this one.

[scottyvt4]

A superb programme on channel 5 tonight, im watching it now.

Has anyone else been watching and what do you think? Its great to see a programme all about bomber command and the valiant work and effort they did. Some of the footage is rather disturbing though. The survivor accounts are incredible though.

As for the Germans... the treatment they gave the "terror boys" was disgusting.

A superb documentary. If anyone can catch it then you should :D

I agree thought the program was compelling was says to Julie it must have been terrifying.

Although i would say all treatment by the Germans was completely bad, certainly the Gestapo and SS was .....words cant really describe how they treated prisoners, trk would moderate my post. But the treatment of our boys by the Luftwaffe was, as far as pow's goes exemplary and i take my hats off to them for honoring there foe's in such a humane way.


Linkage .......

http://www.channel5.com/shows/bomber-boys-revealed

[FOZ_1983]

Your right, the Luftwaffe took great care of our lads. Sort of like looking out for your own. They were all flyers and respected each other. Kudos to the Luftwaffe guys.

The ss and Gestapo though.... What pieces of work.


Lest we forget.

[scottyvt4]

Your right, the Luftwaffe took great care of our lads. Sort of like looking out for your own. They were all flyers and respected each other. Kudos to the Luftwaffe guys.

The ss and Gestapo though.... What pieces of work.


Lest we forget.

Totally agree, Im also really glad that Bomber command are now getting the recognition they fully deserve.

[JimmyBlonde]

Disgusting treatment?

http://spad1.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/dresden.jpg

Who can blame them? They're only human after all.

[markyboyacebassist]

Hey FOz, I've recorded the programme & will catch it later.
Did you read the other week that some old official MOD documents have been released that show Guy Gibson was shot down by the tail gunner of a Lancaster he was following home?
Apparently Mossies were often mistaken for Junkers 88's & this happened more than once.
The tailgunner was named(don't know why?) & lived with the secret till he passed away.
Bader was shot down by blue on blue too I believe .

(Probably a Hurricane pilot! :):) )

[scottyvt4]

Disgusting treatment?


a town less than 20 miles from me


http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/scottyvtr/forum%20link%20pics/clydebankblitz.jpg

possibly London

http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/scottyvtr/forum%20link%20pics/BlitzWWII.jpg

and yes absolutely disgusting.......... the SS and Gestapo




There only human after all............................

http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/scottyvtr/forum%20link%20pics/holocaust3.jpg

[WildBoar44]

+ 1 Scotty

I have just returned from visiting Auschwitz Concentration Camp, take it from me.... treatment and blame..... ? No contest.... Inhuman.

Some people should learn to open thier eyes before they even try to justify their logic on others .


.

[JimmyBlonde]

I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about Bomber Command and the campaign which practically annihilated all major German civil centers. Could you tell me what role the SS and the London Blitz played in that? (Apart from being the cause of it, naturally)

Since you seem more interested in being "right on the internet" than viewing history in it's proper context and learning something about why people who lose 75% of their infrastructure (In not just one town but every single major town in their nation) aren't nice to shot down bomber crews I'll leave you to it.

[Davedog74]

I'll leave you to it.

good idea

[winny]

I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about Bomber Command and the campaign which practically annihilated all major German civil centers. Could you tell me what role the SS and the London Blitz played in that? (Apart from being the cause of it, naturally)

Since you seem more interested in being "right on the internet" than viewing history in it's proper context and learning something about why people who lose 75% of their infrastructure (In not just one town but every single major town in their nation) aren't nice to shot down bomber crews I'll leave you to it.

I think you'll find that it was Hitler's fault. All he had to do was surrender and it would have stopped.

With hindsight it's easy to say that bombing civillians was wrong, but at the time the German people had to be shown what war was like. They quite happily shelled and bombed the hell out of many european cities. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

Having said that, plenty of German bomber crews were killed on the ground by the British. It's the nature of the beast. If you've just watched your town being destroyed you're gonna be pretty pissed off if you're suddenly confronted by one of the people who did it.

Dropping bombs on cities is wrong, killing baled out bomber crews is wrong, murdering surrendered soldiers is wrong, war is wrong. The whole argument about area bombing being 'wrong' is pointless, the whole bloody thing was wrong.

It was however, fought (on the Allied side) for a very 'right' reason.
Hilter (and by proxy the German people) simply could not be allowed to get away with it.

EDIT : You've also got to consider the fact that in '40/'41 London was bombed for 76 consecutive nights - Like I said - If you dish it out you have to expect that it might come back to haunt you - and then some..

[scottyvt4]

I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about Bomber Command and the campaign which practically annihilated all major German civil centers. Could you tell me what role the SS and the London Blitz played in that? (Apart from being the cause of it, naturally)

Since you seem more interested in being "right on the internet" than viewing history in it's proper context and learning something about why people who lose 75% of their infrastructure (In not just one town but every single major town in their nation) aren't nice to shot down bomber crews I'll leave you to it.

M8, srsly, if you watch the program, one of the "bomber boys" was a Jew who fled Germany after his whole family was perscuted and he said himself it was a terrible thing that civilians were hurt and due to there lack of decent equipment it was near impossible to precision bomb from 18,000 - 20,000 feet, he then goes on to say at the end of the day those civilians could have been workers in the factorys that added the German war machine.

Again you posted a pic of a bombed Dresden, so in reply i posted a Blitzed Clydebank witch is a Scottish town attached to Glasgow and was devasted, and then put there only human!!??!!??!! The roll of the SS/Gastapo well considering they labled the Bomber boys and commandos "terrorists" and were to be interorgated/shot ...... the the last pic in my last post, really explains the cruelty and brutallity, really explains alot and were talking about a specific subject and NOT the second WW as a hole.

I agree with the comment below aswell, war is terrible got friends in the British Army who have lost comrades, so im fully aware of hardships endured by both civilians and service personnel.

I think you'll find that it was Hitler's fault. All he had to do was surrender and it would have stopped.

With hindsight it's easy to say that bombing civillians was wrong, but at the time the German people had to be shown what war was like. They quite happily shelled and bombed the hell out of many european cities. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

Having said that, plenty of German bomber crews were killed on the ground by the British. It's the nature of the beast. If you've just watched your town being destroyed you're gonna be pretty pissed off if you're suddenly confronted by one of the people who did it.

Dropping bombs on cities is wrong, killing baled out bomber crews is wrong, murdering surrendered soldiers is wrong, war is wrong. The whole argument about area bombing being 'wrong' is pointless, the whole bloody thing was wrong.

It was however, fought (on the Allied side) for a very 'right' reason.
Hilter (and by proxy the German people) simply could not be allowed to get away with it.

EDIT : You've also got to consider the fact that in '40/'41 London was bombed for 76 consecutive nights - Like I said - If you dish it out you have to expect that it might come back to haunt you - and then some..

[FOZ_1983]

The Luftwaffe destroyed many towns and cities here in the UK,Coventry for example.

They didn't go for military targets, they just went on a terror campaign to try and bomb us into submission. Needless to say it didnt work.

But when your guys bailed out, we respected them for the tough job they had to do (many against their will) and put them in POW camps and generally looked after them. Treated them with respect, they were far from home and no doubt scared.

Unlike your Gestapo and SS, we did label them terrorsist and have them sent to concentration camps and have them set for execution. The Nazi way of doing things was just wrong.

[Gilly]

Coventry

Enough said especially on this exact date 71 years ago.
I believe the saying is reap the whirlwind.