Luthier Update Clarification Please

[JG52Krupi]

"We obviously remain hard at work on the series. We will continue to improve the game up until the eventual release of its sequel."

Above is an extract from your last update, as expected from such a sentence there is muttering in the ranks about what this actually means.

Could you give us an insight into the future of Cliffs of Dover and Battle for Moscow!

Will the sequel be a standalone, addon or will it be both?

[addman]

Sequel means sequel, standalone game, if he is speaking in normal gaming terms that is.

[Raggz]

I have a feeling that it will be both, just like Pacific fighters which could be used as standalone or as an expansion for IL2 owners.

[Vengeanze]

Hopefully leave XP support and go for true DX11

[Tavingon]

Is there definetly going to be a theatre in Russia? I've also heard rumours about a Northern Africa setting?!

[Qpassa]

Is there definetly going to be a theatre in Russia? I've also heard rumours about a Northern Africa setting?!
In some screenshots they showed us a la5 (or other russian plane) development

[JG53Frankyboy]

.....and a IL2 oneseater and a tower of the Kremlin.

[JG52Uther]

All problems will be fixed when we buy the sequel...
Promise ;)

[Ze-Jamz]

All problems will be fixed when we buy the sequel...
Promise ;)

You Lies!!

[JG52Uther]

No, you can trust me, its the internet.

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

"We obviously remain hard at work on the series. We will continue to improve the game up until the eventual release of its sequel."

Above is an extract from your last update, as expected from such a sentence there is muttering in the ranks about what this actually means.

Could you give us an insight into the future of Cliffs of Dover and Battle for Moscow!

Will the sequel be a standalone, addon or will it be both?

Excellent question Krupi (which I have actually asked Ilya before and received no response). I'm rapidly losing faith in CoD ever representing a convincing or immersive representation of the BoB without extensive community intervention (IE Mission builders, modding etc).

It seems one of the most pivotal battles in History (fact) may just be a 1c 'test lab' now, reduced to the status of Guinea pig....which is a shame. Tossing this into the 'that'll do' bin would be a mistake on their part. Please prove me wrong. Surely all new developments/features in 'Battle for Moscow' will be applicable to CoD, too? Madness to think otherwise, but these days I sadly find myself second guessing everything they do. :o

[JG52Uther]

Excellent question Krupi (which I have actually asked Ilya before and received no response). I'm rapidly losing faith in CoD ever representing a convincing or immersive representation of the BoB without extensive community intervention (IE Mission builders, modding etc).

It seems one of the most pivotal battles in History (fact) may just be a 1c 'test lab' now, reduced to the status of Guinea pig....which is a shame.

In all seriousness, I think you just nailed it. :(

[touchdown42]

Well,
i'm no native english speaker but what i find disturbing is phrasing of ' ... eventual release of its sequel'.

To me this sounds different to what was said in the past:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=24692

Is this a first hint that the series may be cancelled?!?
I hope not ...

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

All problems will be fixed when we buy the sequel...
Promise ;)

He he,you jester you :lol:.........actually,personally speaking I will support this game all the way,but if they don't fix the age old problems like the comms and AI etc,they won't be receiving anymore cash from me as regards sequels that follow this.

[philip.ed]

Excellent question Krupi (which I have actually asked Ilya before and received no response). I'm rapidly losing faith in CoD ever representing a convincing or immersive representation of the BoB without extensive community intervention (IE Mission builders, modding etc).

It seems one of the most pivotal battles in History (fact) may just be a 1c 'test lab' now, reduced to the status of Guinea pig....which is a shame. Tossing this into the 'that'll do' bin would be a mistake on their part. Please prove me wrong. Surely all new developments/features in 'Battle for Moscow' will be applicable to CoD, too? Madness to think otherwise, but these days I sadly find myself second guessing everything they do. :o

+1 to what uther said; you nailed it mate.
IMHO, the BoB side of this series will only truly come into its own once the community can work their magic. Dedicated groups working on areas such as the terrain, weather, effects etc could truly lift this game to new realms, as well as offering the users a lot of choice in how their game plays and looks.
Roll on the SDK('s)!

[addman]

Let's just say I wont be standing outside the local games shop waiting for it to open the next time. I'll just let the rest of you do the guinea pig ride the next time around.

[Tvrdi]

Let's just say I wont be standing outside the local games shop waiting for it to open the next time. I'll just let the rest of you do the guinea pig ride the next time around.

If we ever get to that....

[SNAFU]

I hope too, that the BoB 1940 szenario will be extended in its content and will not be dropped with the release of the successor BoM 1941. It would be a shame...

Well,
i'm no native english speaker but what i find disturbing is phrasing of ' ... eventual release of its sequel'.

Moin Touchdown,

english meaning of eventual is not our meaning of eventuell... ;)

eventually = finally => schlußendlich

[AMVI_Superblu]

I think (and mostly HOPE) that the sequel of IL-2 Cliffs of Dover will be the same as IL-2 plus all expansions like Pacific Figthers etc.

It's the most logic thing.

Would be useless to have, let's say, 5 different IL-2 without being able to fly (for example) a FW190 on the Channel, creating new battle's scenarios etc.

Let's hope.

S!

[flyingblind]

Excellent question Krupi (which I have actually asked Ilya before and received no response). I'm rapidly losing faith in CoD ever representing a convincing or immersive representation of the BoB without extensive community intervention (IE Mission builders, modding etc).

It seems one of the most pivotal battles in History (fact) may just be a 1c 'test lab' now, reduced to the status of Guinea pig....which is a shame. Tossing this into the 'that'll do' bin would be a mistake on their part. Please prove me wrong. Surely all new developments/features in 'Battle for Moscow' will be applicable to CoD, too? Madness to think otherwise, but these days I sadly find myself second guessing everything they do. :o



Why is that such a big problem? As has been said many times - it was possibly a choice of releasing CloD as was or never seeing it let alone any sequel. No doubt the plan is to get CloD properly sorted as quickly as possible to the developers and players satisfaction and once the engine is fully working, as I am sure it will be then other theatres can be released as per the original IL-2 series. This makes perfect sense if you really want CloD to carry on in the MG tradition which in turn is dependent on financial success.

If you want to call the sim a test bed and players guinea pigs then fine. The Battle of Britain is a perfect scenario for this. It was relatively short, contained in a small area and had a limited plane set. Apart from us Brits who see it as a major conflict up there with Agincourt, Trafalgar and Waterloo, the rest of the world see it as a rather minor side show. Once it is fully working and has good reviews then the important theatres will be grabbed by serious and not so serious simmers everywhere.

And you people don't fool anyone with your righteous indignation and threats of never touching a Maddox offering again. Everyone on this forum is absolutely wetting themselves for Clod to come good and when it does they will empty thier piggy banks quicker than a stoat on steroids to have the Battle for Moscow or the Mediterranian or whatever will come next.

[addman]

And you people don't fool anyone with your righteous indignation and threats of never touching a Maddox offering again. Everyone on this forum is absolutely wetting themselves for Clod to come good and when it does they will empty thier piggy banks quicker than a stoat on steroids to have the Battle for Moscow or the Mediterranian or whatever will come next.

Wrong, that was me before the release of CloD, high expectations -rightly so- and big letdowns. I didn't say that I'd never buy a MG offering again, I simply meant that I will wait until the verdict is out this time around, if it's in shambles like CloD was at release then no, I will not "touch" it. I'm sure the Moscow sequel will be in a much better state though considering the improvements that has been made with CloD.

[Whiski]

Why is that such a big problem? As has been said many times - it was possibly a choice of releasing CloD as was or never seeing it let alone any sequel. No doubt the plan is to get CloD properly sorted as quickly as possible to the developers and players satisfaction and once the engine is fully working, as I am sure it will be then other theatres can be released as per the original IL-2 series. This makes perfect sense if you really want CloD to carry on in the MG tradition which in turn is dependent on financial success.

If you want to call the sim a test bed and players guinea pigs then fine. The Battle of Britain is a perfect scenario for this. It was relatively short, contained in a small area and had a limited plane set. Apart from us Brits who see it as a major conflict up there with Agincourt, Trafalgar and Waterloo, the rest of the world see it as a rather minor side show. Once it is fully working and has good reviews then the important theatres will be grabbed by serious and not so serious simmers everywhere.

And you people don't fool anyone with your righteous indignation and threats of never touching a Maddox offering again. Everyone on this forum is absolutely wetting themselves for Clod to come good and when it does they will empty thier piggy banks quicker than a stoat on steroids to have the Battle for Moscow or the Mediterranian or whatever will come next.



I will definitely buy a sequel/add on for this game. Even though CLoD is not finished, I see the potential this game has and for the games to come. MG's track record is rather good as far as my experience goes and I will keep that faith in them.

Just my opinion though but I do not think they will leave CLoD in the desk drawer without first completing it. That would be like drafting an architectural blue print, then erecting the building without it. It is the base design and it needs to be complete for future expansions.

Whiskey

[Trooper117]

Despite the negatives, they will buy it.. there is nothing else in the WWII stable that is waiting to take their fancy, they will be back.. lol!
Next theatre, North Africa/Med.. be sure! (had to say it)..

[Feathered_IV]

I doubt they will ever be able to represent an event such as Adler Tag or any other significantly sized battle with this sim. Certainly not until its into its old age at any rate. It will remain an aerial skirmisher. Best left to represent those slow days of the battle which had bad weather or the odd channel convoy (assuming we see some weather and ships one day). The cpu bottlenecking might not be such a problem for an eastern front scenario with only dozens, rather than hundereds of aircraft being needed to give a credible or historic number of aircraft in the air a one time.

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

Why is that such a big problem? As has been said many times - it was possibly a choice of releasing CloD as was or never seeing it let alone any sequel. No doubt the plan is to get CloD properly sorted as quickly as possible to the developers and players satisfaction and once the engine is fully working, as I am sure it will be then other theatres can be released as per the original IL-2 series. This makes perfect sense if you really want CloD to carry on in the MG tradition which in turn is dependent on financial success.

If you want to call the sim a test bed and players guinea pigs then fine. The Battle of Britain is a perfect scenario for this. It was relatively short, contained in a small area and had a limited plane set. Apart from us Brits who see it as a major conflict up there with Agincourt, Trafalgar and Waterloo, the rest of the world see it as a rather minor side show. Once it is fully working and has good reviews then the important theatres will be grabbed by serious and not so serious simmers everywhere.

And you people don't fool anyone with your righteous indignation and threats of never touching a Maddox offering again. Everyone on this forum is absolutely wetting themselves for Clod to come good and when it does they will empty thier piggy banks quicker than a stoat on steroids to have the Battle for Moscow or the Mediterranian or whatever will come next.

Hi flyingblind. It's a 'problem' if you are sold a product purporting to be (amongst many other things) a simulation of said battle which is in reality nothing of the sort. It is in essence a (faulty) tech demo, and not unlike FSX with guns. Maybe a slight exaggeration for effect, but not too far from the truth. As a sim 'BoB experience' (which is what we were sold) it falls very short of the mark. If you are happy with that, then I'm happy for you.

On the 'importance' or otherwise of the BoB, that's a matter for another thread and debate, and has been done to death already. Nationalism does not enter the equation.

'Once it is fully working'

I'm a day dream believer too. Won't be holding my breath anymore though; asphyxiation can never be good. Just ask Michael Hutchence. With a Ouija board, perhaps. :grin:

I can agree on some points, namely that we all want CoD to come good......we have that in common. The BoB is not my 'favourite' conflict or theatre, that would be North Africa and the Med.

I have no desire to argue with you FB, and I won't. That is my opinion. You have yours. All well and good. ;)

Cheers.

[JG52Krupi]

I doubt they will ever be able to represent an event such as Adler Tag or any other significantly sized battle with this sim. Certainly not until its into its old age at any rate. It will remain an aerial skirmisher. Best left to represent those slow days of the battle which had bad weather or the odd channel convoy (assuming we see some weather and ships one day). The cpu bottlenecking might not be such a problem for an eastern front scenario with only dozens, rather than hundereds of aircraft being needed to give a credible or historic number of aircraft in the air a one time.

I get the feeling that you have grossly under estimated the engine I have seen bids of CID with loads if aircraft flying at the same time.

[Feathered_IV]

I get the feeling that you have grossly under estimated the engine I have seen bids of CID with loads if aircraft flying at the same time.

I know the footage you mean. There's that handy app that lets you record at very slow speed and reassemble at normal speed later on. It's good for movie making as it avoids the lag and stutters you'd get if you tried to play the mission out in real time.

[Ze-Jamz]

Those vids are indeed recorded at 1/2 the speed.. Isnt it Sony Vegas?

[Rowddy]

all that bitching and moaning over what is and what was.. lol now i understand why Oleg choose another career path :(

You realy should take the time and read back all what is said not only in this thread but in all the other ones aswell. Then you see how pathetic this all is!!

As far as i see it... no this game isn't finished ad yes they work hard to correct that. Yes the game was released to early but i don't think the devs are to blame for that but i suspect it was an UBISOFT decision to get there investments back (that's all that counts for those guys).

So lets not post negative threads any longer and help the devs instead to make things Sim the winner that it realy is. We can all help with that.

So who cares what went wrong, lets see how to make it better now.

S!

[Feathered_IV]

There's one built into the recorder of CoD too. Quite handy it is. ;)

[Sven]

I think it's good that they are also working on a sequel, if it is like the previous sequels/stand-alones the old maps and airplanes will be available as well in the new product and so the BoB will continue to improve graphically, FM and AI wise ect.

[Icebear]

And we will all get a copy for free after all this years of patience, endless nights of testing, personal disappointment and expenses for additional hardware ? ;)

[Tvrdi]

And we will all get a copy for free after all this years of patience, endless nights of testing, personal disappointment and expenses for additional hardware ? ;)

your reward will be working AA in the sequel...aaand all the eye candy working on non nuclear rigs!

seriously its hilarious they are talking about a sequel with a current sim in its early beta state....but on positive note we just finished with alpha testing.....

[Raggz]

I'm buying any sequel because i'm way to much in love with WWII planes. I just can't leave them be :P
And there's still some left overs in my bucket of faith ;)

[6S.Manu]

And we will all get a copy for free after all this years of patience, endless nights of testing, personal disappointment and expenses for additional hardware ? ;)

+1

I don't care about having to work as Beta tester, really, but think about the guys who preordered Clod at full price... what had they compared to the guys who bought it yesterday at half the price?

Six months of "alpha"?

[Ze-Jamz]

+1

I don't care about having to work as Beta tester, really, but think about the guys who preordered Clod at full price... what had they compared to the guys who bought it yesterday at half the price?

Six months of "alpha"?

Hear Hear..free upgrades for the likes of me who pre-ordered the collectors edition!

[Icebear]

your reward will be working AA in the sequel...aaand all the eye candy working on non nuclear rigs!.

I wouldn't bet on it...... :)

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

Hear Hear..free upgrades for the likes of me who pre-ordered the collectors edition!

I second this fellows motion! Only right and proper though, innit blud? :grin:

[kestrel79]

Like others have said I'm sure it will be like Pacific Fighters. You can play it standalone or merge it with your CloD install.

I'm sure they will also release a "gold pack" as well containing both so people late to the party can get everything they need all at once. That's how I originally bought IL2 :)
I think I bought a gold pack of Forgotten Battles combined with the ACES expansion pack.

You have to assume the new game will be more polished, hopefully they have learned their lesson.

[robtek]

I think it is plain dumb to expect/demand any freebees!

We all had our time wasted with this program, a part had fun complaining, a other part had fun playing and exploring and the majority had fun reading the forii.

So, everybody got something for his/her money, no reason to complain.

And in Software it is always expensive to be the early bird.

[Ze-Jamz]

I second this fellows motion! Only right and proper though, innit blud? :grin:

lol

[mazex]

I think it's good that they are also working on a squeal, if it is like the previous sequels/stand-alones the old maps and airplanes will be available as well in the new product and so the BoB will continue to improve graphically, FM and AI wise ect.

+ 1

That's the way they have worked before and no signs of any change in that.

The problem is that if even the die hard fans that populate this forum (?) threaten to not buy a sequel if feature x is not there I loose all hope. This is the only WW2 sim available from this decade and the only alternative would be a RoF WW2 release? But I can just imagine a furball with 500+ aircraft over London in RoF. Talk about squermish engine over the flat and empty fields of Flanders with some small towns...

Mazex

[mazex]

I think it is plain dumb to expect/demand any freebees!

We all had our time wasted with this program, a part had fun complaining, a other part had fun playing and exploring and the majority had fun reading the forii.

So, everybody got something for his/her money, no reason to complain.

And in Software it is always expensive to be the early bird.

+ 1

But listening to some of the people here you could think they has bought some IBM server software like Websphere for a couple of billion $

Mazex

[McFeckit]

A couple of billion for WebSphere....yep, that'll be about right....and it's still a bloody nightmare!

Sorry, off topic.

[touchdown42]

I hope too, that the BoB 1940 szenario will be extended in its content and will not be dropped with the release of the successor BoM 1941. It would be a shame...


Moin Touchdown,

english meaning of eventual is not our meaning of eventuell... ;)

eventually = finally => schlußendlich


Ahhh, thx, better use an online dic next time before posting :)

[ACE-OF-ACES]

But listening to some of the people here you could think they has bought some IBM server software like Websphere for a couple of billion $Agreed 100%

Flight simming is an expensive hobby! Always has been and most likely always will be! Just to play these $50 dollar games you have to spend at least $1k on a decent PC and joystick.

With that in mind

May I make a suggestion to those that constantly bring up the $50 dollar cost of the game?

If your financial 'worth' (read your starbuck's job or allowance from your parents) is such that your 'life' will be impacted by the outcome of a $50 dollar game, than I highly recommend that you give up flight simming or any other aspect of PC gaming and play something you can afford, like checkers! Which in turn would mean you would not have to make those hard decisions in life like 'flight sim' vs. 'shoes for the kids' or 'flight sim' vs. 'eating tonight'. Just a thought!

[ACE-OF-ACES]

I think it is plain dumb to expect/demand any freebees!

We all had our time wasted with this program, a part had fun complaining, a other part had fun playing and exploring and the majority had fun reading the forii.

So, everybody got something for his/her money, no reason to complain.

And in Software it is always expensive to be the early bird.+1

[Foo'bar]

Battle for Moscow. Look at display from 1S-Softklab ;)

http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Igomir.jpg

[Sven]

That IL-10 might be a hint towards the Korean expansion? Sure doesn't belong in the winter of '41-'42 ;)

[Icebear]

Battle for Moscow. Look at display from 1S-Softklab ;)

http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Igomir.jpg

Great find....thank you Foo'bar !

[ParaB]

After the CloD release I for one will be very cautious when it comes to buying another 1C/Luthier product.

I already got burned with Pacific Fighters and I only bought the 1946 addon out of a sense of loyalty. My goodwill towards the creators of IL2, Forgotten Battles and the Aces Expansion pack has been pretty much exhausted by now.

[JG52Krupi]

There is one thing missing from that poster that I also wish was missing from the my limited edition box.

And before some smart ass says the reason it isn't shown, I know 1C was behind the Russian version.

[LoBiSoMeM]

If your financial 'worth' (read your starbuck's job or allowance from your parents) is such that your 'life' will be impacted by the outcome of a $50 dollar game, than I highly recommend that you give up flight simming or any other aspect of PC gaming and play something you can afford, like checkers! Which in turn would mean you would not have to make those hard decisions in life like 'flight sim' vs. 'shoes for the kids' or 'flight sim' vs. 'eating tonight'. Just a thought!

+1

[=FI=Scott]

After the CloD release I for one will be very cautious when it comes to buying another 1C/Luthier product.

I already got burned with Pacific Fighters and I only bought the 1946 addon out of a sense of loyalty. My goodwill towards the creators of IL2, Forgotten Battles and the Aces Expansion pack has been pretty much exhausted by now.

Absolutely.

Sequel ! you are having a laugh. Not until a PC within the advertised specs can run this game adequately and reliably.

[robtek]

Yes, i concur!

1c should really change the specs!!!!

Say i.e. a quad-core with 3 Ghz, a GT560 or HD6850 with min. 1GB and 8GB Ram coupled with win7/64 as minimum requirement.

Makes developing easier and more futureproof, i believe.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

I don't know if that would do it?

Take cigarettes labels for example..

For the past 30+ years they have been putting labels on the package that said smoking is bad for your health.. Yet there are still 'some' that claim they 'didn't know' it was bad for them and are trying to sue cigarette companies

This same mentality applies to people who look at the specs on the box and note that their 3 year old PC 'meets' the specs..

They run home..

Install the game..

And even before they try and fly once!

They go to the options menu and crank all the settings up to max or high..

Than sit back and wonder why the game runs like a slide show..

Worse they they come here and play the victim and act as if they were some how cheated or fooled into buying the game

Never stopping to consider that maybe.. just maybe the 'min requirements' on the box means they will have to use 'min settings' in the game

If it wasn't so sad it would be funny as hell!

[Bakelit]

After the CloD release I for one will be very cautious when it comes to buying another 1C/Luthier product.

I already got burned with Pacific Fighters and I only bought the 1946 addon out of a sense of loyalty. My goodwill towards the creators of IL2, Forgotten Battles and the Aces Expansion pack has been pretty much exhausted by now.


Abso - freakin - lutely.

Gut gesagt, ParaB.

[Ze-Jamz]

I don't know if that would do it?

Take cigarettes labels for example..

For the past 30+ years they have been putting labels on the package that said smoking is bad for your health.. Yet there are still 'some' that claim they 'didn't know' it was bad for them and are trying to sue cigarette companies

This same mentality applies to people who look at the specs on the box and note that their 3 year old PC 'meets' the specs..

They run home..

Install the game..

And even before they try and fly once!

They go to the options menu and crank all the settings up to max or high..

Than sit back and wonder why the game runs like a slide show..

Worse they they come here and play the victim and act as if they were some how cheated or fooled into buying the game

Never stopping to consider that maybe.. just maybe the 'min requirements' on the box means they will have to use 'min settings' in the game

If it wasn't so sad it would be funny as hell!

HAHAHAHAHHA

Lol, you want to look at the minimum and recommended hardware on the back of the box that i have in front of me, then go speak to then peeps that have that exact system and explain to them why they couldnt run it on ANY settings..

Come on mate, play the game... pardon the pun

[ACE-OF-ACES]

yawn

anysetting.. sure.. sure.. sure

[Ze-Jamz]

yawn

anysetting.. sure.. sure.. sure

Oh Dear..

Deluded

I will make it easier for you to digest, 'recommended' means slide show then does it? and the games settings need to be on the very minimum to run at even 10+FPS... thats normal then for you is it?

Thats what normally happens?

Please

Il EDIT this just so we understand each other and everyone can laugh at you..

Without bringing up stuff that has been flogged to death...what your saying is that a lot of people had problems because of their system specs and that they should of known that Minimum means 'complete rubbish' and Recommended in the world of gaming actually means 'yes you can play it but it will look like crap, worse than IL2 infact and that dont expect to put anything over MED settings' and that Developers actually only want the buying public to play their games on LOw-MED settings instead of actually seeing the game in akk its glory and appreciating the GFX engine and the GFX design that has cost fk*n sh*t loads!

LMAO

And please change your Sig, cuz thats horse shyte too... as proven

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Oh Dear..

Deluded

I will make it easier for you to digest, 'recommended' means slide show then does it? and the games settings need to be on the very minimum to run at even 10+FPS... thats normal then for you is it?

Thats what normally happens?

Please

Il EDIT this just so we understand each other and everyone can laugh at you..

Without bringing up stuff that has been flogged to death...what your saying is that a lot of people had problems because of their system specs and that they should of known that Minimum means 'complete rubbish' and Recommended in the world of gaming actually means 'yes you can play it but it will look like crap, worse than IL2 infact and that dont expect to put anything over MED settings' and that Developers actually only want the buying public to play their games on LOw-MED settings instead of actually seeing the game in akk its glory and appreciating the GFX engine and the GFX design that has cost fk*n sh*t loads!

LMAO

And please change your Sig, cuz thats horse shyte too... as proven
Ah I see we have a IL-2 cherry in our midst

First allow me to thank you for providing a lead into my next example

As noted

At one end of the scale we have these goofballs that think their 3 year old min requirement PCs should run the game smoothly with the settings set to HIGH

At the other end of the scale we have similar numbskulls that think their brand new PC should run the game smoothly with the settings set to HIGH

I say numbskulls because they are clearly ignorant of the FACT that when a company goes to the trouble of making a new graphics engine they don't target the current crop of video hardware.. They target the future video hardware. So their new graphics engine will NOT be absolute within six months.

Now a little IL-2 history lesson. If you were lucky enough to play IL-2 some 10 years ago you would recall that at the time that graphics engine took a lot of video horse power to run it, why? Because Oleg and the crew created a graphics engine for the future, not the present. Which is why IL2 still looks good today, but, at the same time runs just fine on very low end older video cards.

Now that your up to speed on 1C history, hopefully you will realize that when a new graphics engine comes out, it is expected to tax the best of the best most expensive top-o-d-line video cards currently one the market such that even they will have to turn down some of the options. The idea being that in a year or two, even the baseline and low end cards will have no trouble running the game at full options. Which is exacatlly how 1C did it with IL-2.

Hope that helps! S!

[proton45]

Wrong, that was me before the release of CloD, high expectations -rightly so- and big letdowns. I didn't say that I'd never buy a MG offering again, I simply meant that I will wait until the verdict is out this time around, if it's in shambles like CloD was at release then no, I will not "touch" it. I'm sure the Moscow sequel will be in a much better state though considering the improvements that has been made with CloD.

Your mistake was having "high expectations", to begin with...and I don't mean that in a negative sense. I'm a BIG fan of the "IL2 Sturmovik" series, but I don't fantasize, dream and place high expectations on the final product. What these guys have done is really quite interesting...its not perfect (by any measure of the word), but what they have accomplished (post patches, ect) is looking quite good.

I'm rapidly losing faith in CoD ever representing a convincing or immersive representation of the BoB without extensive community intervention (IE Mission builders, modding etc).

I'm just curious...what aspect of the game fails to "immerse" you in the Battle Of Britain? I'm assuming that you are not talking about the "clouds", or "AI" because these are aspects of the game that will always be improved and updated (just like they always did). I don't know if people remember the original "IL2" series, but it was always a work in progress...right up to the very end. Nothing new...

[salmo]

GAME RELEASE/MARKETING
There's a lot of posts suggesting we should not complain about ClOD because of it's innovative engine & other advances etc. The fact is that 1C chose to market the game under the brand "IL2-Sturmkovic" along with all the other hype about immersive experience, 100's of on-line players etc. As such, it is not unreasonable for the public to expect that the game woud be at least on a par with IL2-1946 upon release. Sadly the reality is that the game has more bugs than Lindsay Lohan's crotch, even 7 months after release. I, for one, am extremely disappointed with the game. It does not live up to my expectations.

MISSION BUILDING
I am an experienced mission builder for Il2-1946. I'd like to build more ClOD missions, but a lack of FMB information, only moderate C# experience, combined with a slew of new property options & objects that no-one has a clue how they work is frustrating to say the least. It is difficult to know whether a FMB feature does not work because it's bugged or because it's not yet enabled/completed, or because I (as a mision builder) I have not used it correctly.

SEQUEL
I recall written information from the developers some time ago that the next theare of op's would be the Mediteranean. Now posts here are talking about the Battle of Moscow. What's going on?

[ptisinge]

As others I felt disappointed by a number of problems and limitations of IL2 COD, but then again things are slowly improving (I also think they're improving too slowly), and IL2 COD sets the bar higher than anything available for the WW2.

It's very similar to the story of FSX. During years (not months), there was a vast crowd stating that FSX would die quickly, leaving a gap with nothing or just leading many people to skip to the next iteration (or competitor). But now, look at FTX addons, A2A or PMDG addon planes etc, and look at how people with current gen machines run this at max settings, and you'll probably have a preview of how things will sort themselves out for IL2 COD. A sequel will also help to fix some problems by the developpers themselves (while FSX never had that chance), and hopefully it will follow the tradition of IL2 and allow itself to be combined with IL2 COD. It's not that bad a prospect.

I seriously doubt any big competitor will suddenly pop out of nowhere (I think Gaijin are bound to remain on the more gamey side of things to make their mmo thing compatible with a sufficiently large player base, I don't expect a high details sim there), so whatever ride this might be, I expect that many WW2 fligt sim fans will remain on board anyway (that's what I'll do, even if it's a bitter ride it's still better than nothing, I wish we had that option for a space combat game in the xwing tradition for example, I would take it even with bugs rather than just endure years looking at a dead genre).

[Qpassa]

no official answer?

[JG52Uther]

no official answer?

Of course not! Luthier will be back in a few weeks or months for 30 seconds to post another beta.
Until then we make the best of what we have. Or not.
Choice is a wonderful thing! ;)

[Tree_UK]

Your mistake was having "high expectations", to begin with...and I don't mean that in a negative sense. I'm a BIG fan of the "IL2 Sturmovik" series, but I don't fantasize, dream and place high expectations on the final product. What these guys have done is really quite interesting...its not perfect (by any measure of the word), but what they have accomplished (post patches, ect) is looking quite good


lol, this made me laugh "your mistake"

The high expectations came from all the BS that Oleg and Luthier were constantly spouting pre-release, only a few of us saw through it, you unfortunately were one of those that didn't.

[Vengeanze]

After the CloD release I for one will be very cautious when it comes to buying another 1C/Luthier product.

I already got burned with Pacific Fighters and I only bought the 1946 addon out of a sense of loyalty. My goodwill towards the creators of IL2, Forgotten Battles and the Aces Expansion pack has been pretty much exhausted by now.

Spot on. Next time around I'll sit back for an additional year while 1C complete the game.
Looking at CloD cycle it will take 1C 10 months (>50% said increase in fps) to make the game playable on minimum reqs.
An increase of fps by >50% is to me an indication that they didn't do stuff properly to begin with.

[Dano]

Some of us were far too trusting, and why shouldn't we have been? it was after all Oleg and he did deliver on IL2. Sadly, that trust is now damaged badly and it'll take a great deal of work before I'll believe anything that I don't actually have access to myself from now on.

Somedays I wish I was as mistrusting as Tree clearly was, but that's just not in my nature.

Given the way sequels worked with the IL2 series I'd trust them to deliver something that can be integrated with what we have, given the way we were and continue to be treated I'm not holding my breath for that to happen...

[JG52Krupi]

Spot on. Next time around I'll sit back for an additional year while 1C complete the game.
Looking at CloD cycle it will take 1C 10 months (>50% said increase in fps) to make the game playable on minimum reqs.
An increase of fps by >50% is to me an indication that they didn't do stuff properly to begin with.

Really they didn't do stuff propperly at the beginning... What makes you say that!!!!??

Yes I am being sarcastic.

[Tvrdi]

what bothers me is why Oleg vanished after release...he was here frequently few weeks before release...at least he could say GOODBYE.....we had a good cooperation in old IL2...the man just gone...
pffffft

[Vengeanze]

what bothers me is why Oleg vanished after release...he was here frequently few weeks before release...at least he could say GOODBYE.....we had a good cooperation in old IL2...the man just gone...
pffffft

One thing's for sure, I'll buy the bio of Oleg if he writes one.
What did really happened behind the scenes?

[Trooper117]

It couldn't have been good.. Why would you leave the 'premier WWII aviation sim' on the eve of it's crowning glory?

[Tvrdi]

It couldn't have been good.. Why would you leave the 'premier WWII aviation sim' on the eve of it's crowning glory?

maybe just because he knew the glory will not be...

[Tree_UK]

what bothers me is why Oleg vanished after release...he was here frequently few weeks before release...at least he could say GOODBYE.....we had a good cooperation in old IL2...the man just gone...
pffffft

He was only here to pocket some cash, its obvious a deal was done, he even had the nerve/cheek to show up at the launch party to watch the pile of crap (on release) be sold to his unsuspecting fans. Now that takes some balls.

[Vengeanze]

Never the less we love him. :grin:

[IamNotDavid]

Somedays I wish I was as mistrusting as Tree clearly was, but that's just not in my nature.


Please. Tree pre-ordered the game. And he'll probably pre-order the sequel.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Please. Tree pre-ordered the game. And he'll probably pre-order the sequel.
Oh you can bet he will!

On that note.. Is it just me.. Or does there seem to be more to it than some of these whinners are letting on? I mean really.. All this over $50 for a game? Most of these guys sound like they spend $1,000+ on a prom dress and Oleg never showed up to take them to the prom. :rolleyes:

[Dano]

Please. Tree pre-ordered the game. And he'll probably pre-order the sequel.

And that makes exactly what difference to my comment? Oh, that's right. None.

[IamNotDavid]

And that makes exactly what difference to my comment? Oh, that's right. None.

Seriously? He paid for a game that was not yet released. That means he trusted them.

[Dano]

No, it means he was willing to waste £30 on a game instead of a round of drinks.

[IamNotDavid]

No, it means he was willing to waste £30 on a game instead of a round of drinks.

Wow, I didn't think there was anyone in here who has less respect for Tree than I do. You win!

[Dano]

What? I have no respect for him because he was willing to throw £30 down the drain on the off chance? Not sure where you're getting all this information from but I can tell you it's faulty and needs patching :P

[IamNotDavid]

What? I have no respect for him because he was willing to throw £30 down the drain on the off chance? Not sure where you're getting all this information from but I can tell you it's faulty and needs patching :P

So, you have a lot of respect for people who knowingly piss their money away? I'm confused. You're upset that the game is not worth the money you spent on it, but you have no problem with someone else knowingly pissing their money away on that very same game. That is very odd.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Oh you can bet he will!

On that note.. Is it just me.. Or does there seem to be more to it than some of these whinners are letting on? I mean really.. All this over $50 for a game? Most of these guys sound like they spend $1,000+ on a prom dress and Oleg never showed up to take them to the prom. :rolleyes:

+1

Despite its many faults, CoD has been the best 50 bucks I've spent in a long time. Have enjoyed many hours flying the ATAG server with you guys, and using Teamspeak to greatly enhance the experience (including joking how similar Snapper, Sniper, Striker, etc. sound in the heat of a dogfight).

When I think of the money I've blown on bad hardware AND software over the years.........50 lousy bucks is NUTHIN'!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

[Dano]

So, you have a lot of respect for people who knowingly piss their money away? I'm confused. You're upset that the game is not worth the money you spent on it, but you have no problem with someone else knowingly pissing their money away on that very same game. That is very odd.


You should stop attempting to read between lines that dont exist, it's clearly confusing you...

[IamNotDavid]

You should stop attempting to read between lines that dont exist, it's clearly confusing you...

I'm not the one who is confused. Tree pre-ordered the game. That means he trusted that he would get value for his money. Period.

[philip.ed]

Oh you can bet he will!

On that note.. Is it just me.. Or does there seem to be more to it than some of these whinners are letting on? I mean really.. All this over $50 for a game? Most of these guys sound like they spend $1,000+ on a prom dress and Oleg never showed up to take them to the prom. :rolleyes:

Hmmm, I agree with you on the $50 issue, however there was a huge amount of speculation on the game, underpinned by gloriously extravagent (and largely wrong) statements from Oleg on what the game would be like on release. I believe the community is largely self-destructive in its ability to get worked up over minor issues (as you suggest towards), however Oleg's statements can't be ignored. IMHO, many of us were duped into believing the game would be something it wasn't on release. The most tangible example were the release videos: filmed at 1/8 speed and aimed at showing a 'playable game'. Yes, it showed the game was playable, but we weren't aware the game was running at 1/8 speed for it to be playable at that stage. This is the most palpable, and upsetting, part of the process. The fact that the release was a mess, and the situation was sugar-coated and offered with a virtual cherry on top. We weren't to know that the cherry was off-date, and the sugar extremely thin.

I agree that there is more to life, but this forum is a vehicle for consumer issues (expressed openly), which is why there will be a lot of opposition and anger over the playablity of the game. It has improved considerably, and hopefully will continue to do so (despite the patches being rather reactionary, IMHO, in terms of certain graphical features) and I don't think there's anything healthy about dwelling on the issues and opinions of other users on the game. It's interesting to debate, but at the end of the day: one man's meat is another man's poison. People will always have different opinions on the game, and different experiences.
For instance, I believe that the minimum specs are aimed at showing the lowest-spec machine for which the game is able to run playably on at lowest settings. For some/(many?) with the lowest spec machine, this is impossible, as a large number have shown on these forums. Others may believe the specs are ridiculous to go by. As I say; different opinions, different experiences.

Have a nice friday :)

[Dano]

I'm not the one who is confused. Tree pre-ordered the game. That means he trusted that he would get value for his money. Period.


Oh yes you are... value, is purely subjective, trust need not enter the equation.

[IamNotDavid]

trust need not enter the equation.

It does for people who are thinking rationally.

[Dano]

It does for people who are thinking rationally.

Not you then.

[IamNotDavid]

Not you then.

I'm not the one who thinks it's ok to give money to people I don't trust.

[JG52Uther]

Dano don't feed the troll, he loves a good wind up.
We all know they lied about the state of the game pre release. Some people just don't like to admit it, even to themselves. You will notice that some of the most ardent believers quietly slipped away from the forum, under a cloud of incredulous disappointment I reckon. I will admit I was a huge supporter, and for me Oleg could do no wrong. Sucked me in hook line and sinker. That only works once though, and I bet the devs know it. At least I hope they do...
People seem to forget that even Luthier apologised about the state of the game.

[addman]

People seem to forget that even Luthier apologised about the state of the game.

Some people more than others....:rolleyes:

[IamNotDavid]

Some people more than others....:rolleyes:

Heh... Nothing says "go ahead and whine about this for the next year" quite like an apology...

[ACE-OF-ACES]

however there was a huge amount of speculation on the game, underpinned by gloriously extravagent (and largely wrong) statements from Oleg on what the game would be like on release.
You said it all in your first paragraph..

That is to say there is really no need to say anymore than to point out it was speculation..

Because as we all know speculation is not a promise to provide! As I pointed out before, there is nothing actually advertised on the box or at STEAM download that we did not receive!

But if anyone is planing on hanging thier hat on that argument in thier class action law suit, i.e. a law suit to get their $50 buck back based on some feature Oleg might have commented on in some blogg or forum over the past 6+ years of CoD development.

Would you be so kind as to record the audio from the court room as you say that to the judge?

In that is such a rare occasion that we get to see a judge LOL as he waves to the bailiff to remove someone from his court room

Better yet have one of your buddies in the room whip his phone out and record the video to upload to youtube.. Should be a hoot! ;)

[Tree_UK]

It does for people who are thinking rationally.

For the record I never pre ordered the game, Only a thick twat like yourself would consider that important in some way? Oh and for the record yes that is an insult.

[IamNotDavid]

You didn't? Sorry about that. I guess you didn't buy it until you were already aware of all the problems.

Not sure that someone who is dumb enough to buy a game which is loaded with problems is really in a position to be insulting anyone.

[Dano]

Dano don't feed the troll, he loves a good wind up.

I should know better by now :)

[Ze-Jamz]

Oh you can bet he will!

On that note.. Is it just me.. Or does there seem to be more to it than some of these whinners are letting on? I mean really.. All this over $50 for a game? Most of these guys sound like they spend $1,000+ on a prom dress and Oleg never showed up to take them to the prom. :rolleyes:
Ah I see we have a IL-2 cherry in our midst


What you going on about you fool?

Prom? prom dress?... If it bothers you that much go away, people can bitch, moan, kick up, stress as mush as they like regardless of cost..get yer head out yer a$$

Judging by your reply to my last post you obviously have no clue what your going on about do you 'Ace'?

Again..a lil clue, SOOOOO this game has the right to print what it likes on the back of its cover because it has a 'future proof engine'?

I think your find that every other vid game's 'recommended' spec's will allow the user to play the game on settings more than f-kin MED!

You go on about and bash the whiners here... Please dont insult mine and everyone elses intelligence by saying the game was fine on release but 'we' should of had better hardware to play it on!

P.S Im more than aware of IL2 and what it was like on its release..and Yes it happened then too but 'that' does not warrant it happening again or justify it..

f*k me, you actually sound like your saying there were no bugs, nothing wrong with the code, nothing wrong with the engine and it all comes down to hardware and that we should of known that 'recommended' means MED-HIGH end rigs can only play this game on LOW-MED settings

tool

[ACE-OF-ACES]

What you going on about you fool?

Prom? prom dress?... If it bothers you that much go away, people can bitch, moan, kick up, stress as mush as they like regardless of cost..get yer head out yer a$$

Judging by your reply to my last post you obviously have no clue what your going on about do you 'Ace'?

Again..a lil clue, SOOOOO this game has the right to print what it likes on the back of its cover because it has a 'future proof engine'?

I think your find that every other vid game's 'recommended' spec's will allow the user to play the game on settings more than f-kin MED!

You go on about and bash the whiners here... Please dont insult mine and everyone elses intelligence by saying the game was fine on release but 'we' should of had better hardware to play it on!

P.S Im more than aware of IL2 and what it was like on its release..and Yes it happened then too but 'that' does not warrant it happening again or justify it..

f*k me, you actually sound like your saying there were no bugs, nothing wrong with the code, nothing wrong with the engine and it all comes down to hardware and that we should of known that 'recommended' means MED-HIGH end rigs can only play this game on LOW-MED settings

tool
Yikes.. Looks like someone spilt some wine (or whine) on thier prom dress and can not return it for a refund :eek:

[Ze-Jamz]

Yikes.. Looks like someone spilt some wine (or whine) on thier prom dress and can not return it for a refund :eek:

Just the reply I expected

ACE your such a Hero fella... as much as I hate the phrase i think its quite Abt here

'Whatever'

[ACE-OF-ACES]

'Whatever'
I don't know what is funnier?

You getting your panties in a wad such that you invoked the 'whatever' reply

Or

You admitting that the progressing of CoD is the same as IL-2 was, i.e.

P.S I'm more than aware of IL2 and what it was like on its release..and Yes it happened then too but 'that' does not warrant it happening again or justify it..

Did you act like a school girl who got stood up by Oleg on prom night than too?

If so, don't worry your pretty little head none! This is how most games go! Oleg will bring you flowers sooner than later! Just like he did with IL-2!

[proton45]

lol, this made me laugh "your mistake"

The high expectations came from all the BS that Oleg and Luthier were constantly spouting pre-release, only a few of us saw through it, you unfortunately were one of those that didn't.


Your welcome...I'm always willing to offer some humor...


As far as me being "one of those that didn't"...I believe that if you check the record you will find that my opinion was (and is) that these guys will give us the best game they are capable of...and I don't see any reason to change my opinion. You have always been the kind of person who enjoys trolling around in word games. You constantly quote people out of context, just so that you can set up an argument.

[Ze-Jamz]

I don't know what is funnier?

You getting your panties in a wad such that you invoked the 'whatever' reply

Or

You admitting that the progressing of CoD is the same as IL-2 was, i.e.



Did you act like a school girl who got stood up by Oleg on prom night than too?

If so, don't worry your pretty little head none! This is how most games go! Oleg will bring you flowers sooner than later! Just like he did with IL-2!

You sad sad man...boy

Run along now you jobsworth t*t

[philip.ed]

You said it all in your first paragraph..

That is to say there is really no need to say anymore than to point out it was speculation..

Because as we all know speculation is not a promise to provide! As I pointed out before, there is nothing actually advertised on the box or at STEAM download that we did not receive!

But if anyone is planing on hanging thier hat on that argument in thier class action law suit, i.e. a law suit to get their $50 buck back based on some feature Oleg might have commented on in some blogg or forum over the past 6+ years of CoD development.

Would you be so kind as to record the audio from the court room as you say that to the judge?

In that is such a rare occasion that we get to see a judge LOL as he waves to the bailiff to remove someone from his court room

Better yet have one of your buddies in the room whip his phone out and record the video to upload to youtube.. Should be a hoot! ;)

I will say again, as far as the box is concerned, DX-11 in the game? Not a chance. And that really is truthful. The game can suport it, you say? Why yes, perhaps it does, but box-art is aimed at people of all intellects: in short, it details what the game includes and what is playable on release. Not what could happen in the future, or be supported in the future. 128 player online? Yes, but on release, the game was too buggy for this to be supported. Has anyone chosen to run a lobby with such numbers? The game would be too laggy, videos on youtube detailing such numbers of A/C show this. I think ParaBellum posted one: an illuminating insight into what the game can support, but a clear sign that such numbers are not happily playable. I believe that the game could happily support this (one could create a lobby), but as I alluded to, the box art is there to detail what is pretty much accessible immediately, or with little difficulty (supposing you have the right system).

[Hunden]

Spot on. Next time around I'll sit back for an additional year while 1C complete the game.
Looking at CloD cycle it will take 1C 10 months (>50% said increase in fps) to make the game playable on minimum reqs.
An increase of fps by >50% is to me an indication that they didn't do stuff properly to begin with.

You promise................. that way we don't have to hear you whinning like the little girl you are.:grin: EDIT ..!.,

[ACE-OF-ACES]

You sad sad man...boy

Run along now you jobsworth t*t
So let me see if I understand you correctly..

You claim to understand that IL-2 went threw the same process that CoD is going through now

So far so good?

Than is it safe to assume that you also realize that most if not all new game releases go though a similar process?

Where by process I mean

most if not all games are released with bugs
most if not all games make changes
most if not all games have a lot of pre-release hype
etc.. etc..

Assuming that is the case (i.e. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt)

Why are you and people like you so upset?

Especially those who are familiar with 1C's IL-2 track record!!

A track record that consist of endless patches, add ons, and free updates for a game that is going on 10 years old

Yet..

You and people like you act like CoD was made by the makers of SILENT HUNTER 5.0

Where support for SH5 was dropped just a few months after the release

IMHO all this Oleg stood me up for the prom attitude would be well placed in the SH5 forums

But not here!

Granted I would cut those who are new to flight sims and never heard of IL-2 some slack on this

But you?

Someone who claims to know the history of IL-2!

Nope, and you and people like you should be ashamed of yourselves IMHO! Your not helping one bit and most likly making Luithers job much harder than it needs to be!

So in summary, I had a lot of worries about CoD early on, what with Oleg leaving and UBI's track record! My biggest fear being UBI would somehow force 1C to 'move on' and drop support for CoD like in the case of SH5. But what with Luther recent attempts to not only keep us informed but provide patches I am no longer worried and can see that the 1C approached to flight sims is still there, even if Oleg is not.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

I will say again,
No need!

You said it all when you pointed out that it was speculation

[robtek]

So let me see if I understand you correctly..

You claim to understand that IL-2 went threw the same process that CoD is going through now

So far so good?

Than is it safe to assume that you also realize that most if not all new game releases go though a similar process?

Where by process I mean

most if not all games are released with bugs
most if not all games make changes
most if not all games have a lot of pre-release hype
etc.. etc..

Assuming that is the case (i.e. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt)

Why are you and people like you so upset?

Especially those who are familiar with 1C's IL-2 track record!!

A track record that consist of endless patches, add ons, and free updates for a game that is going on 10 years old

Yet..

You and people like you act like CoD was made by the makers of SILENT HUNTER 5.0

Where support for SH5 was dropped just a few months after the release

IMHO all this Oleg stood me up for the prom attitude would be well placed in the SH5 forums

But not here!

Granted I would cut those who are new to flight sims and never heard of IL-2 some slack on this

But you?

Someone who claims to know the history of IL-2!

Nope, and you and people like you should be ashamed of yourselves IMHO! Your not helping one bit and most likly making Luithers job much harder than it needs to be!

So in summary, I had a lot of worries about CoD early on, what with Oleg leaving and UBI's track record! My biggest fear being UBI would somehow force 1C to 'move on' and drop support for CoD like in the case of SH5. But what with Luther recent attempts to not only keep us informed but provide patches I am no longer worried and can see that the 1C approached to flight sims is still there, even if Oleg is not.

Don't feed the whining trolls!

[philip.ed]

No need!

You said it all when you pointed out that it was speculation


OK, but that was in reference to a previous comment by myself (sorry, I should have clarified).

I will ask, can you provide proof of 128 players online working, or of DX-11 working in game? My CloD box tells me I can expect this.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

I will ask, can you provide proof of 128 players online working, or of DX-11 working in game? My CloD box tells me I can expect this.
I have a better idea!

Your the one making the claimed it does not support it.. Right?

So how about you provide the proof that it doesn't support it?

[Ze-Jamz]

So let me see if I understand you correctly..

You claim to understand that IL-2 went threw the same process that CoD is going through now

So far so good?

Than is it safe to assume that you also realize that most if not all new game releases go though a similar process?

Where by process I mean

most if not all games are released with bugs
most if not all games make changes
most if not all games have a lot of pre-release hype
etc.. etc..

Assuming that is the case (i.e. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt)

Why are you and people like you so upset?

Especially those who are familiar with 1C's IL-2 track record!!

A track record that consist of endless patches, add ons, and free updates for a game that is going on 10 years old

Yet..

You and people like you act like CoD was made by the makers of SILENT HUNTER 5.0

Where support for SH5 was dropped just a few months after the release

IMHO all this Oleg stood me up for the prom attitude would be well placed in the SH5 forums

But not here!

Granted I would cut those who are new to flight sims and never heard of IL-2 some slack on this

But you?

Someone who claims to know the history of IL-2!

Nope, and you and people like you should be ashamed of yourselves IMHO! Your not helping one bit and most likly making Luithers job much harder than it needs to be!

So in summary, I had a lot of worries about CoD early on, what with Oleg leaving and UBI's track record! My biggest fear being UBI would somehow force 1C to 'move on' and drop support for CoD like in the case of SH5. But what with Luther recent attempts to not only keep us informed but provide patches I am no longer worried and can see that the 1C approached to flight sims is still there, even if Oleg is not.

Lol, im not upset..check my previous 1000+ posts.. i love this game but i sit on the fence..

I just hate seeing fanbois like yourself bitching about people moaning claiming you know everything..your pathetic...also dont claim to know me either, that's bad for you..

I bitch as much as big this game up so get yer facts straight..

Someone take this guy away, lock him up and put a nice big poster of 1C above his bed so he can play with himself, obviously I mean in the gaming context, right?

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Lol, im not upset..check my previous 1000+ posts.. i love this game
LOL! man.. now that is funny

But I should not laugh at the bi-polar types.. my bad

[Ze-Jamz]

LOL! man.. now that is funny

But I should not laugh at the bi-polar types.. my bad

Hmm, now you've just proven to me you know nothing and certainly nothing about me... what you looking at the last 10-15? since the last 2 Beta's?

Il tell you what..il leave you to play

lol

[philip.ed]

OK, sure thing:

cliffs of dover videos on youtube. None are in DX-11. Note: the game does not run in Dx-11. Support is irrelevent, as I pointed out, people are paying money under the impression the game will run in DX-11. Shall I post every-single video here to prove my point? No, let's be adults here Aces! It is much simpler to provide one video to disprove me, rather than one-hundred to provide my argument with even moderate levels of tangibility.
128 players online. Well, speaks for itself really. Take a look at hyperlobby or whatever online service people are running.
I don't play online, so can't provide current screens, so I'm sure some could.
As far as SUPPORT goes, my previous post in this topic supports my belief. On release, and within months, the game can just about be run with these numbers. Maybe it is supported, but playabality is another issue.
Here's the topic:
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3273039/Slowly_getting_there.html#Post3273039
But with internet lag, do we think this would be playable? It's speculative, there's no definitive proof; other than the fact that there aren't 128 players online in the same game, because you can't find 128 people able to play the game that well against eachother.
I know you will say the game support's it, but please understand, Aces, that there is a fine-line between what can be achieved and what has been achieved. People looking for immediate results should steer clear of sims, but for someone who struggles (with highest settings and a great PC) running more than about 60 planes offline, 128 online is a pipe dream.

Anyway mate, just my personal opinion. Not trying to split hairs, just saying that this game is never black and white. Some people have easy experieces with great rigs, others don't with similar systems. Is it the software or the person? Well, in the case of the game's release, mostly the former. And the release is key here, mate, as this is the box-art for the release. Note that this video is a while after release. At release, people were struggling to have more than a few videos in the sky at the same time on brilliant systems.

enough from me! have a great weekend :-P

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Hmm, now you've just proven to me you know nothing and certainly nothing about me...
Whats to know?

You love Oleg when he shows up on time to pick you up..
You hate Oleg when he shows up a little late to pick you up..

I get it!

But what if he shows up late.. and brings flowers? That part I admit I don't know.

[Kongo-Otto]

LOL! man.. now that is funny

But I should not laugh at the bi-polar types.. my bad

http://i-trepreneur.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/retard.jpg

[ACE-OF-ACES]

enough from me!
enough?

But Im still waiting on proof!

So enlighten me here.. I have DX11 installed, Cod runs fine on my PC.

Now..

Your claiming CoD does not support DX11?

Right?

Ok what feature is in DX11 that is not in DX10 that CoD states it is making use of? Because I have looked and I don't see it, so please help me out understand where your comming from on this.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

http://i-trepreneur.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/retard.jpg
Yikes!

How many members of this forum did Oleg stand up on prom night?

Let it go guys! All them tears on your prom dress are just going to make it that much harder to return!

[Ze-Jamz]

Yikes!

How many members of this forum did Oleg stand up on prom night?

Let it go guys! All them tears on your prom dress are just going to make it that much harder to return!

Masterpiece that was
http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/clapping/busey_clapping.gif

[LoBiSoMeM]

enough?

But Im still waiting on proof!

So enlighten me here.. I have DX11 installed, Cod runs fine on my PC.

Now..

Your claiming CoD does not support DX11?

Right?

Ok what feature is in DX11 that is not in DX10 that CoD states it is making use of? Because I have looked and I don't see it, so please help me out understand where your comming from on this.

CLoD have DX9 and DX10.0 rendering full support. DX10.1 isn't fully supported. With DX11 enabled ingame, you can't run the game, isn't supported yeat.

What you are talking is nonsense: DX11 itself have backwards compatibility wit DX9 and 10, but CloD don't uses DX11 rendering.

What was SOLD to us was that CloD in release will uses DX11 rendering. I'm a fanboy and love this sim, but the "release LIES" remains... MG fool us about AA, DX11, etc.

I'm a fanboy but i'm not stupid. Now i can enjoy the sim, and believe that Ilya is doing the right thing now, but the release was a bunch of crap and lies.

Let's move on, please... You can't even try to win this one, for sure... :rolleyes:

[robtek]

CLoD have DX9 and DX10.0 rendering full support. DX10.1 isn't fully supported. With DX11 enabled ingame, you can't run the game, isn't supported yeat.

What you are talking is nonsense: DX11 itself have backwards compatibility wit DX9 and 10, but CloD don't uses DX11 rendering.

What was SOLD to us was that CloD in release will uses DX11 rendering. I'm a fanboy and love this sim, but the "release LIES" remains... MG fool us about AA, DX11, etc.

I'm a fanboy but i'm not stupid. Now i can enjoy the sim, and believe that Ilya is doing the right thing now, but the release was a bunch of crap and lies.

Let's move on, please... :rolleyes:

Reading problem???

It says : SUPPORTING DX11!! Not using dx11! dx11 funktions can be used by this engine when implemented.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Reading problem???

It says : SUPPORTING DX11!! Not using dx11! dx11 funktions can be used by this engine when implemented.

Man, don't even try... It's sounds just silly...

Well, let's clarify:

DIRECTX 11 SUPPORTS DIRECTX 9 AND 10 RENDERING!


CloD TODAY uses and support DX9 and DX10.0. CloD "supports" DX11? Well, enable DirectX11 in conf.ini and come back here...

"Dx11 funktions can be used by this engine when implemented"... Yes, and in any game in the world...

[Kongo-Otto]

Yikes!

How many members of this forum did Oleg stand up on prom night?

Let it go guys! All them tears on your prom dress are just going to make it that much harder to return!

http://www.iamit.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/never_go_full_retard1.jpg

[Tvrdi]

Oh you can bet he will!

On that note.. Is it just me.. Or does there seem to be more to it than some of these whinners are letting on? I mean really.. All this over $50 for a game? Most of these guys sound like they spend $1,000+ on a prom dress and Oleg never showed up to take them to the prom. :rolleyes:

its not about teh money you hypnotised die hard fan....

[robtek]

Man, don't even try... It's sounds just silly...

Well, let's clarify:

DIRECTX 11 SUPPORTS DIRECTX 9 AND 10 RENDERING!


CloD TODAY uses and support DX9 and DX10.0. CloD "supports" DX11? Well, enable DirectX11 in conf.ini and come back here...

"Dx11 funktions can be used by this engine when implemented"... Yes, and in any game in the world...

Bold letters dont improve the worth of your opinion.

The CoD engine can support dx11 funktions when they are needed by the graphics engine.

They are not needed now!

Clear enough?

[ACE-OF-ACES]

It says : SUPPORTING DX11!! Not using dx11! dx11 funktions can be used by this engine when implemented.
Ah, ok now that makes sence! Thanks for clearing that up rob! S!

[ACE-OF-ACES]

http://www.iamit.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/never_go_full_retard1.jpg
Poor Kongo..

Maybe this will help?

http://www.formalxchange.com/content/buy-sell-and-trade-prom-dresses-online-free

There now you can re-coop some of the money you lost when Oleg did not wine and dine you on prom night! Think of it as your 1st step to recovery! Oh and feel free to share that link with you buds who allso feel cheated

[ACE-OF-ACES]

its not about teh money you hypnotised die hard fan....
Aparently so.. As I noted earlier, there seems to be more to it than the $50 bucks.. In that you and guys like you are acting like a school girl who got stood up on prom night.. So, since you seem to have your finger on that pulse, please, so the rest of us can understand what it is that has upset you so, if not the money than what?

[nearmiss]

It is one thing to disagree, but when you resort to naming calling and making insinuations about character, intelligence... and just about any other kind personal name calling in your postings you are out of line.

You can disagree without ever calling a dummy, fool, jackass, etc. within your disagreement.

Couple you guys have been warned before. If the thread doesn't change it will be locked and some posters will enjoy not so nice actions.

Time to cool off.. :rolleyes:

You might want to think about breaking a bad habit now, before you mess up with the wrong person and get yourself into a lawsuit.

Lawyers file suits very easily at no cost, and you a defendant will have to hire a lawyer to defend you. That can get expensive, even if you win... you lose.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdLJDuYOUpw

[Ze-Jamz]

Yea that post was pointless Nearmiss..I know what your trying to say but your interpretation of it?.....please

Lock the thread..easy enough m8

[LoBiSoMeM]

Bold letters dont improve the worth of your opinion.

The CoD engine can support dx11 funktions when they are needed by the graphics engine.

They are not needed now!

Clear enough?

And you assume that I can't read...

Please... You know what is a graphic engine and a graphic API? Your statement about CloD engine is really nonsense... CloD now uses Dx9 and Dx10.0 rendering APIs. To use Dx11 "funktions" they need to be implemented, and ANY GAME CAN DO THAT! Your statement: "The CoD engine can support dx11 funktions when they are needed by the graphics engine" says NOTHING, please!

It's not so hard to understand...:rolleyes:

[Ze-Jamz]

LoBiSoMeM...

Dude lets remove ourselves from this thread as I believe we are indeed smacking our heads against a brick wall and whatever we say cannot be understood by some..

We are indeed lowering ourselves to a very small level

*Take my hand sir, let rock n roll* :rolleyes:

[LoBiSoMeM]

LoBiSoMeM...

Dude lets remove ourselves from this thread as I believe we are indeed smacking our heads against a brick wall and whatever we say cannot be understood by some..

We are indeed lowering ourselves to a very small level

*Take my hand sir, let rock n roll* :rolleyes:

Agree!

Let's go! :grin:

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Did a little search..

For the life of me I can not find where ubi or 1C said anything about DirectX-11

Anyone got a link?

[robtek]

It's over AoA, they've left, trying to create some kind of superiority with this action.

I'll never understand why some people enjoy the wallowing in negativity, maybe to make their lives to appear more positive?

Everybody, with a open mind, can see that CoD is fun for a majority atm, and with the next official patch it will be a serious sim, i believe.

There is really no need to recall the ghosts from the release.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

It's over AoA, they've left, trying to create some kind of superiority with this action.
Well look close..

They left hand-in-hand! Says it all don't it? ;)

Sadly though it is just an act.. They will be back

I'll never understand why some people enjoy the wallowing in negativity,
I have often wondered that myself

maybe to make their lives to appear more positive?
Hmmm, could be.. could be.

Everybody, with a open mind, can see that CoD is fun for a majority atm, and with the next official patch it will be a serious sim, i believe.
Agreed.. The good news is these neg-nuts are in the minority! Look at any thread here and you will see the same handful of whiners just looking for an opportunity to post something negative. Which does fit your theory that they need to make everyone to feel as negative as they do in some weird way to make themselves feel better.

There is really no need to recall the ghosts from the release.
Well, up to now I just took it for granted that it did mention DirctX 11 somewhere.. But all the official UBI, 1C, STEAM posts as far back as January make no mention of DirctX 11.

[Tree_UK]

There are many posts where Oleg and Luthier tell us the game will support DX11 and there are many post where they also tell us that SLI and crossfire will work, As we know this was all crap. If you could only see past the Dev's butts you may be able to use the search button. Heres one post I found in all of 10 seconds.


http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=114251&postcount=171

[LoBiSoMeM]

There are many posts where Oleg and Luthier tell us the game will support DX11 and there are many post where they also tell us that SLI and crossfire will work, As we know this was all crap. If you could only see past the Dev's butts you may be able to use the search button. Heres one post I found in all of 10 seconds.


http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=114251&postcount=171

+1

And I don't like Tree attitude at all, because i'm a fanboy!

But i'm not either blind, deaf or stupid...

[IamNotDavid]

There are many posts where Oleg and Luthier tell us the game will support DX11 and there are many post where they also tell us that SLI and crossfire will work, As we know this was all crap. If you could only see past the Dev's butts you may be able to use the search button. Heres one post I found in all of 10 seconds.


http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=114251&postcount=171

Why did you buy this game?

[Vengeanze]

Did a little search..

For the life of me I can not find where ubi or 1C said anything about DirectX-11

Anyone got a link?


There are many posts where Oleg and Luthier tell us the game will support DX11 and there are many post where they also tell us that SLI and crossfire will work, As we know this was all crap. If you could only see past the Dev's butts you may be able to use the search button. Heres one post I found in all of 10 seconds.


http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=114251&postcount=171

Look in the dictionary for the word p0wned and you'll see a pic of AoA

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::mrgreen:

thanks Tree. Made my day.

[Mysticpuma]

in 142 posts in this thread, has Luthier offered any clarification or is it just the usual crew battering each other with verbal shelling?

MP

[robtek]

The usual, Mysticpuma, the usual.

[Vengeanze]

in 142 posts in this thread, has Luthier offered any clarification or is it just the usual crew battering each other with verbal shelling?

MP

:-P

I promise I'll be gone when we get the >50%FPS patch.
Atleast gone from these types of threads

[Qpassa]

again:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?p=349304#post349304

[Kongo-Otto]

Poor Kongo..

Maybe this will help?

http://www.formalxchange.com/content/buy-sell-and-trade-prom-dresses-online-free

There now you can re-coop some of the money you lost when Oleg did not wine and dine you on prom night! Think of it as your 1st step to recovery! Oh and feel free to share that link with you buds who allso feel cheated

Well Dude, i never felt cheated about the game and instead of some minimum wage jerks like you, i actually dont give a damn about 50 Euro or 50 Bucks, i spent more for Beer on a good Saturday Night than lousy 50 Euros.

Actually i like the game very much after the patch, the only thing i realy dont like is you and your shitty attitude.
And please dont mean every men likes wearing womens clothes just because you do!

But there is a big difference between us, me sees this 1c Product as an Game with many things still to do, many things not even started by the devs.
I don't need this Game as somekind of religion or cult, like some guys like you and a few others in this forum.
And actually i dont give a fart about the 1c Company they messed it up, they should fix it!
But this Game has a great potential and i am sure it will become what the most of us expected when they bought it.
If not, thats ok to me also, then i will fly WW1 or Modern airplanes.
Games like IL2 or Clod are not important to me because they have a WW2 Scenario, its about virtual flying

[Skoshi Tiger]

There are many posts where Oleg and Luthier tell us the game will support DX11 and there are many post where they also tell us that SLI and crossfire will work, As we know this was all crap. If you could only see past the Dev's butts you may be able to use the search button. Heres one post I found in all of 10 seconds.


http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=114251&postcount=171


Quote:
Originally Posted by jctrnacty
I have a bad feeling, that this game will take rest of my free time

I Hope they will support DX11 as it is DX brakethrough like DX 9 was.

Currently for DX9, DX10 and DX11 in all of them there are difference in graphics


Doesn't "Currently" mean at this point of time?

Considering that the post was made just under two years ago when DirectX 11 development was fairly new, maybe it was made before Oleg and Co encountered hard to solve problems? Maybe trying to implement DirectX 11 cause the massive delays to the release of this sim?

Rather than a lie, could it be possible that Oleg was being over optimistic about the possibility of developing for it?

Theres a thing, what other combat flight sim has Direct X 11 at the moment? As far as I know ROF and DCS A10 doesn't at the current time.

Who knows? I sure don't!

Cheers!

PS I had a great time online the other week! Hope to see you online again soon!

[Tree_UK]

Yes me to Skoshi, ive been working on getting our own server up and running, trying to create a real nice map. No doubt I will catch up with you soon.
Myself and Skoshi are proof that you can disagree about many things, but ultimately still have respect and fly together quite happily whilst having heaps of fun.

S! Skoshi. :grin:

[Skoshi Tiger]

Yes me to Skoshi, ive been working on getting our own server up and running, trying to create a real nice map. No doubt I will catch up with you soon.
Myself and Skoshi are proof that you can disagree about many things, but ultimately still have respect and fly together quite happily whilst having heaps of fun.

S! Skoshi. :grin:

+1

[philip.ed]

I think Tree's earlier post quashes the joint 'efforts' of AoA and robtek.
It all links back to my first post (which this duo seem to forget)
I'm not trying to be rude and seek some sort of endeavour of argument, but the point is clear: if it says DX-11 on the box, people will expect the game to be using those features. It is misleading. Aside from whether it is supported for implementation in the future, the team are in no credible postition to paste a list of features onto the box that can be supported. In reality, a shopping list of features are supported, but not implemented. That is misleading to any newcomers. The point is uncounterable.
Now Lobi, as well, has posted tangible evidence to support this argument.
In the face of statements, or quoted posts being taken out of context? It's clear we have taken the effort to support our claims. Have you?
Please gents, it's clear there's a diversion of opinions. The childish point-scoring: 'hey, we beat you, let's talk to another user about how stupid these 'negative people' are' is just ridiculous :rolleyes: And I will be honest here, until AoA started posting more frequently, this atmosphere had largely died out of this forum. AoA mentioned All-Aircraft-Arcade/Simulations in a recent post: well I will be honest, as moderator there I received a terrible amount of complaints about his bullying, vindictive, argumentative attitude. Trooper has said the same on these forums too.
It really is pathetic. Grow up and understand that people will have different opinions on issues surrounding the game. For a BoB sim, there are various areas that mean more to certain people than others. It's not too hard to understand. It's just ridiculous being name-called just for saying something constructive about how the terrain is wrong, or another feature. Luthier has already posted by saying this:

"If we didn't listen to criticism, Il-2 would never in a million years get to where it did back in 2001.

So please keep it coming. "

now show me where he has said: 'if we didn't read a minroity of whining posts from members arguing against these horribly negative people, Il-2 would never in a million years get to where it did back in 2001.'

have fun with that search! :cool:

[philip.ed]

Yes me to Skoshi, ive been working on getting our own server up and running, trying to create a real nice map. No doubt I will catch up with you soon.
Myself and Skoshi are proof that you can disagree about many things, but ultimately still have respect and fly together quite happily whilst having heaps of fun.

S! Skoshi. :grin:

Well said.

[addman]

Yes me to Skoshi, ive been working on getting our own server up and running, trying to create a real nice map. No doubt I will catch up with you soon.
Myself and Skoshi are proof that you can disagree about many things, but ultimately still have respect and fly together quite happily whilst having heaps of fun.

S! Skoshi. :grin:

+1

Read and learn children, read and learn.

[nearmiss]

There are many posts where Oleg and Luthier tell us the game will support DX11 and there are many post where they also tell us that SLI and crossfire will work, As we know this was all crap. If you could only see past the Dev's butts you may be able to use the search button. Heres one post I found in all of 10 seconds.


http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=114251&postcount=171

Oleg_Maddox said, "Currently for DX9, DX10 and DX11 in all of them there are difference in graphics"

You have jumped ahead with your logic, and assumed he was saying that about COD. LOL

Tree you gotta do better than that. :rolleyes:

Yet, to put the proverbial AXE in the stump. What counts is what we have now, and hopefully what we can expect.

I say we are strictly on the hopefully side to that nowadays, since Luthier is doing what he can with his inheritance.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

For those who are reading this and not familiar with Tree_UK know that he has nothing good to say about CoD. Why he is so negative, well that is one for the Freudian types out there. We don't need to know why he is, only that he is. With that said this reply to his post is not to him, it is to those who are not familiar with his agenda. So with that in mind allow me to point out how silly his latest attempt is. That being that 1C, UBI, or STEAM advertised CoD as DirectX 11 game.

Lets begin

There are many posts where Oleg and Luthier tell us the game will support DX11
Note folks.. Tree says there are 'many' posts where Oleg and/or Luthier 'tell' us the game will support DX11..

Yet, he only provided '1' link to '1' post by Oleg back in October of 2009, Some two years ago, and nearly a year and a half before CoD was released. That is to say during the development of CoD. As as all 'adults' can tell you, things can change between development and delivery.

Also note that Tree did NOT quote what Oleg said in that post two years ago

Ask yourself.. Don't you think Tree would have quoted it here if this was the holly grail of proof that 1C, UBI, or STEAM promised a fully DirectX 11 game? Well there is a reason for that, Tree is hoping you will not click on the link and simply read Tree's summary of what Oleg said as proof. Fact is any adult clicking on that link and reading what Oleg actually said will see that there is no promise that CoD will ultimately be a fully DirectX 11 game. As it does prove to us is that Oleg was looking into the differences between DX9, DX10, and DX11.

So out of the 'many' this was the best Tree could find?

Does that not tell you something?

and there are many post where they also tell us that SLI and crossfire will work, As we know this was all crap.
Note folks.. Here is another example.. Now ask yourself, if there are 'many' posts stating such.. Than it should be a simple mater for Tree to post a link to '1' if not 'many'.. Right?

Yet he posted none

Does that not tell you something?

If you could only see past the Dev's butts you may be able to use the search button.
Note folks.. Here Tree is trying to draw me off topic

Why you ask?

Well this is the typical approach of the neg-nuts when they know they don't have a leg to stand on. Their goal is to muddy the waters with a name calling and tangent topics in the hopes of taking the focus off the fact that they have not proof. Again, if your not familiar with Tree you may not have noticed this. But for those of us who have had to put up with his rants for the past few months they are easy to spot

Heres one post I found in all of 10 seconds.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=114251&postcount=171

Now allow me to actually post 'here' what Oleg said at that '1' link Tree provided, i.e.

I have a bad feeling, that this game will take rest of my free time

I Hope they will support DX11 as it is DX brakethrough like DX 9 was.

Currently for DX9, DX10 and DX11 in all of them there are difference in graphics

Keep in mind this post is TWO YEARS OLD! A good YEAR AND A HALF before CoD was released. Which means this conversation took place during the development of CoD.

Now ask yourself.. Do you see anything Oleg said in that post that could be construed as a promise that CoD would be a fully DX11 game?

I sure don't!

Now ask yourself.. What sort of person would read that and conclude what Tree concluded? Does that look like something an 'adult' mind would read and conclude, or something a 'child' like mind would read and conclude?

And by 'child' like I mean someone that has no real grasp on reality of PC games.

In that most adults realize..

Most if not all software/games are released with bugs
Things change between development and delivery

So in summary

As I pointed out, we received everything that was advertised (read promised) at the date of release. And below is a list of what was advertised. As you read the following, note, no mention what so ever of DX11


In order to play this game properly, your PC MUST meet or exceed these minimum system requirements:

Supported OS: Windows 7 / Vista SP2 / Windows XP SP3
Processor: 2.0 GHz Pentium Dual-Core or Athlon X2 3800+ (2.66 GHz Intel Core i5 or 2.6 GHz AMD Phenom II X4 recommended)
RAM: 2GB (4GB recommended)
Video Card: 512 MB DirectX 9.0c compliant video card (1 GB DirectX 10 recommended)(See supported List*)
DirectX: DirectX 9.0c or DirectX 10 (included on disc)
DVD-ROM Drive: 8X DVD-ROM
Sound Card: DirectX 9.0c compatible
Hard Disk Space: 10GB free hard disk space
Peripherals Supported: Mouse, keyboard (joystick with throttle and rudder control recommended)
Internet Connection: Broadband connection with 128 kbps upstream or faster

*Supported Video Cards at time of release:
ATI Radeon 4850 / 5000 / 6000 series or better
NVIDIA Geforce 8800 / 9000 / 250 / 460 series or better
Laptop versions of these cards may work but are NOT supported. These chipsets are the only ones that will run this game.
Joystick compatibility
Saitek PRO Flight Yoke / Saitek PRO Flight Rudder Pedals
Saitek X52
Saitek AV8R
Logitech Extreme 3D Pro
Logitech Attack 3
Microsoft Xbox 360 Controller Wired & Wireless (limited compatibility)
Most CH Products
Most Thrustmaster Products

Example of the above can be found at all of the following OFFICIAL links

http://shop.ubi.com/store/ubina/en_US/pd/productID.224108000
http://ubisoft-en.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/14550/~/cliffs-of-dover-%3Aminimum-requiremts
http://ubisoft.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/14553/~/minimum-requirements-for-il2-sturmovik%3A-cliffs-of-dover

So, not sure where this DX11 'myth' comes from? It surly didn't come from any official 1C, UBI, or STEAM web site. Some of which are over 6 months old. Note I don't have the box version, so at this point I can only assume that it is mentioned there? I mean this myth would have to be based on more that what Tree provided above.. Right? Assuming it is mentioned somewhere, go back a page or two and I think you will see that robtek already covered it.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

+1

And I don't like Tree attitude at all, because i'm a fanboy!

But i'm not either blind, deaf or stupid...
See rob!

Told ya he would be back! :o

[LoBiSoMeM]

Keep in mind this post is TWO YEARS OLD! A good YEAR AND A HALF before CoD was released.

And it's good? :rolleyes:

It's about time to DX11 rendering, or at least DX10.1...:(

[pupo162]

For those who are reading this (...) tons of BS (...)

face it, you got owned. apologize and leave.

[Tree_UK]

Oleg_Maddox said, "Currently for DX9, DX10 and DX11 in all of them there are difference in graphics"

You have jumped ahead with your logic, and assumed he was saying that about COD. LOL

Tree you gotta do better than that. :rolleyes:

Yet, to put the proverbial AXE in the stump. What counts is what we have now, and hopefully what we can expect.

I say we are strictly on the hopefully side to that nowadays, since Luthier is doing what he can with his inheritance.

Im sorry but you are wrong on this, read the whole thread its absoloutley all about CLOD, Oleg goes on to say that each tree will have a collision model. Oh and you insuled Oleg in the same thread saying his landscape looked like Shrek Island. :grin:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?p=114251#post114251

[ACE-OF-ACES]

And it's good? :rolleyes:

It's about time to DX11 rendering, or at least DX10.1...:(
Ah, your missing the whole point

Not suprised really..

Allow me to bring you up to speed

CoD was not advertised (read promised) as a fully DX11 game

Therefore we have recived everything we that was advertised!

Which explains why the neg-nuts have NOT posted a link to thier class action suit to get thier $50 bucks back.. Because they have no case

Got it?

[ACE-OF-ACES]

face it, you got owned. apologize and leave.
Ah, your missing the whole point

Not surprised really..

Allow me to bring you up to speed

CoD was not advertised (read promised) as a fully DX11 game

Therefore we have received everything that was advertised!

Which explains why the neg-nuts have NOT posted a link to their class action suit to get their $50 bucks back.. Because they have no case

Got it?

[Kongo-Otto]

http://adscam.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341bfa1853ef0120a8a0c0ca970b-250wi

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Im sorry but you are wrong on this, read the whole thread its absoloutley all about CLOD, Oleg goes on to say that each tree will have a collision model. Oh and you insuled Oleg in the same thread saying his landscape looked like Shrek Island. :grin:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?p=114251#post114251
Folks take note here what Tree is saying

In that it sheds light on his view of the world, and why he is so upset

Clearly Tree has no grasp on reality let alone the concept of how things can change during development and what is ultimately delivered.

As a guy who writes software I can tell you that a lot of things are 'tried' during development don't always make it into the final product. At the same time things you never thought about at the start of the project make their way into the final product.

This realistic view of the world is beyond most if not all of the neg-nuts in this forum

It is a real Dammed if you do, Dammed if you don't situation with these neg-nuts

For example, if you will recall during the past 6+ years of CoD development people were 'screaming' for updates on the status of CoD.

So Oleg was kind enough to post from time to time the status of CoD.

Now, years later these neg-nuts think that everything that Oleg ever commented on over the past 6+ year must be in the game otherwise they have been cheated.

Such that you got to ask yourself why Oleg says anything at all!

Well it is simple really

Oleg, like so many of us, realize that these neg-nuts are the minority. That their whinning temper tantrums are the exception to the rule and have no reflection on the majority of CoD users. Oh sure these neg-nuts are the squeakiest wheels in the room, which in turn tends to make their ant hill appears as a mountain to the new comers. But within a few weeks of hanging out in this forum even the new comers quickly see them for what they are.

So nothing to see here folks!

CoD is no different than any other software that is released

The difference between CoD unlike most games is still being supported by the developer and thus reciving bug fixxes

Granted it is not at the pace to appease the neg-nuts, but the good news is 1C is not catering to the minority ;)

[Tree_UK]

Folks take note here what Tree is saying

In that it sheds light on his view of the world, and why he is so upset

Clearly Tree has no grasp on reality let alone the concept of how things can change during development and what is ultimately delivered.

As a guy who writes software I can tell you that a lot of things are 'tried' during development don't always make it into the final product. At the same time things you never thought about at the start of the project make their way into the final product.

This realistic view of the world is beyond most if not all of the neg-nuts in this forum

It is a real Dammed if you do, Dammed if you don't situation with these neg-nuts

For example, if you will recall during the past 6+ years of CoD development people were 'screaming' for updates on the status of CoD.

So Oleg was kind enough to post from time to time the status of CoD.

Now, years later these neg-nuts think that everything that Oleg ever commented on over the past 6+ year must be in the game otherwise they have been cheated.

Such that you got to ask yourself why Oleg says anything at all!

Well it is simple really

Oleg, like so many of us, realize that these neg-nuts are the minority. That their whinning temper tantrums are the exception to the rule and have no reflection on the majority of CoD users. Oh sure these neg-nuts are the squeakiest wheels in the room, which in turn tends to make their ant hill appears as a mountain to the new comers. But within a few weeks of hanging out in this forum even the new comers quickly see them for what they are.

So nothing to see here folks!

CoD is no different than any other software that is released

The difference between CoD unlike most games is still being supported by the developer and thus reciving bug fixxes

Granted it is not at the pace to appease the neg-nuts, but the good news is 1C is not catering to the minority ;)

Give it up now, you have been made to look like the complete TWAT that you are. Go and and wrap yourself up in your Oleg Maddox quilt and think about how you may intergrate better in future with real people instead of those in your virtual world.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Give it up now, you have been made to look like the complete TWAT that you are. Go and and wrap yourself up in your Oleg Maddox quilt and think about how you may intergrate better in future with real people instead of those in your virtual world.
Note again folks..

Not one rebuttal to anything I posted..

Why?

Because Tree knows I am right, and any attempt by him to try and spin what I posted will only highlight the fact that he's go nutting

Thus his only recourse is to resort to name calling

[Osprey]

Tree at his best....

[LoBiSoMeM]

Ah, your missing the whole point

Not suprised really..

Allow me to bring you up to speed

(...)

Got it?

Yes, I got it!

You are frustrated with your life and need to jump here to defend some useless point of view in any topic you post.

Nothing new! ;)

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Yes, I got it!

You are frustrated with your life and need to jump here to defend some useless point of view in any topic you post.

Nothing new! ;)
LOL! talk about coffie callin the kettle black!

[Kodoss]

If you want DX11 so bad, then why don't you try?

Go to your Conf.ini file in your documents folder and change it from DX10_0 to
"DX11_1".

But I will garantee for nothing what might happen....:evil:

[pupo162]

Ah, your missing the whole point

Not surprised really..

Allow me to bring you up to speed

CoD was not advertised (read promised) as a fully DX11 game

Therefore we have received everything that was advertised!

Which explains why the neg-nuts have NOT posted a link to their class action suit to get their $50 bucks back.. Because they have no case

Got it?


Well im assuming if planes in COD didnt had engines you would be fine with it. Nowhere luthier said "planes will have engines" he only said 20 flyables, he could be mining that if you drop them from altitude they would "fly".

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Well im assuming if planes in COD didnt had engines you would be fine with it. Nowhere luthier said "planes will have engines" he only said 20 flyables, he could be mining that if you drop them from altitude they would "fly".
Your right about one thing.. You ASSume

Fact remains we got everything that was advertised

[robtek]

You forgot to interchange the "You" and "I" in your post, LoBiSoMeM.

[pupo162]

Your right about one thing.. You ASSume

Fact remains we got everything that was advertised

game wont work with the minimum system spekcs on the box.

thats not an assumption its a fact.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

game wont work with the minimum system spekcs on the box.

thats not an assumption its a fact.
Not true

Fact is it does not work on minimum system specks for 'some' people

And

Fact is it does not work on systems that exceed the maximum specks for 'some' people

Which says more about 'those' people and thier PCs than CoD

[pupo162]

Not true

Fact is it does not work on minimum system specks for 'some' people

Which says more about 'those' people and thier PCs than CoD

im out. i could point to you grass is green, and you would go

"Not true

Fact is its not green for "some" people.

Wich says more about those people and their daltonics than grass...."

[6S.Manu]

pupo, don't feed the troll please.

Ignore this guy.

[Icebear]

pupo, don't feed the troll please.

Ignore this guy.

+1

[ACE-OF-ACES]

hey an old time neg-nut!

Welcome!

[philip.ed]

Note again folks..



We are adult enough to make up our own minds about people on this forum, thank-you very much Aces.

Were we ever told tree-collision had been removed? No! We weren't. So were we to guess before buying that it had been removed? Along with many other features Oleg promoted?

Of course development changes, but it is wrong to say that features will be included and then not to say that they have been removed.

Aces, what is your goal? To say that what we were buying was only what was on the box and explixitly said?
I take it, then, that you are the kind of chap who will read a sign saying : 'dogs must be carried on lifts' and assume that it means you need a dog in order to use it :rolleyes: NOTHING is black and white. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence will research a game before buying it, and if they read the development topics, they would be misled.

Here, as I posted before, is the best example. The release videos. All filmed at 1/8 speed because the game wasn't playable at those settings. That is misleading, and for newcomers to the sim could entice them to buy it. It is false marketing.

[philip.ed]

hey an old time neg-nut!

Welcome!

Why the name calling? Clearly you are in a minority here, Aces, please give it a rest. It's disrupting this place.
And yes, many are name-calling now, but I do believe you started this one.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

im out. i could point to you grass is green, and you would go

"Not true

Fact is its not green for "some" people.

Which says more about those people and their daltonics than grass...."
Let me guess..

You like so many others tried to find something where Oleg, 1C, UBI, or STEAM advertised CoD is a fully DX11 game

Only to come up empty handed and are now upset with the FACT that we got everything that was advertised.. AND MORE!

Thus bursting the bubble that all your whinning arese temper tantrums have been based on

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Why the name calling? Clearly you are in a minority here, Aces, please give it a rest. It's disrupting this place.
And yes, many are name-calling now, but I do believe you started this one.Poor ed

What's the matter bud? Your whole DX11 excuse you were trying to hang your hat on disappeared?

You poor thing.. let it go bud! Before you bust something you need!

[pupo162]

Let me guess..

You like so many others tried to find something where Oleg, 1C, UBI, or STEAM advertised CoD is a fully DX11 game

Only to come up empty handed and are now upset with the FACT that we got everything that was advertised.. AND MORE!

Thus bursting the bubble that all your whinning arese temper tantrums have been based on

you guessed wrong. Tree already did that for us. 2 pages back.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

you guessed wrong. Tree already did that for us. 2 pages back.
I noticed that you did not quote what Tree said..

This so called proof

There is a reason for that you know

Because there is nothing to quote

Nice try though!

You get a gold star for effort

[pupo162]

I noticed that you did not quote what Tree said..

This so called proof

There is a reason for that you know

Because there is nothing to quote

Nice try though!

You get a gold star for effort

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?p=114251#post114251

[addman]

Wow! You're totally out of control Ace, I was actually sitting in front of my PC monitor chuckling at the ferocity of you're fanatic posts. Keep it coming, let it all out...also CloD is so broken that even all the game developers in the world couldn't salvage the code to resemble something even remotely close to a computer game, ehr sorry! I meant SIM of course. ;)

[Tvrdi]

Not true

Fact is it does not work on minimum system specks for 'some' people

And

Fact is it does not work on systems that exceed the maximum specks for 'some' people

Which says more about 'those' people and thier PCs than CoD

you are an epic Troll dude....

[ACE-OF-ACES]

For those who are reading this and not familiar with pupo162 know that he has nothing good to say about CoD. Why he is so negative, well that is one for the Freudian types out there. We don't need to know why he is, only that he is. With that said this reply to his post is not to him, it is to those who are not familiar with his agenda. So with that in mind allow me to point out how silly his latest attempt is. That being that 1C, UBI, or STEAM advertised CoD as DirectX 11 game.

Lets begin

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?p=114251#post114251

Note he only provided '1' link to '1' post by Oleg back in October of 2009, Some two years ago, and nearly a year and a half before CoD was released. That is to say during the development of CoD. As as all 'adults' can tell you, things can change between development and delivery.

Also note that pupo162 did NOT quote what Oleg said in that post two years ago

Ask yourself.. Don't you think pupo162 would have quoted it here if this was the holly grail of proof that 1C, UBI, or STEAM promised a fully DirectX 11 game? Well there is a reason for that, pupo162 is hoping you will not click on the link and simply read pupo162's summary of what Oleg said as proof. Fact is any adult clicking on that link and reading what Oleg actually said will see that there is no promise that CoD will ultimately be a fully DirectX 11 game. As it does prove to us is that Oleg was looking into the differences between DX9, DX10, and DX11.

So out of the 'many' this was the best pupo162 could find?

Does that not tell you something?

Now allow me to actually post 'here' what Oleg said at that '1' link pupo162 provided, i.e.

I have a bad feeling, that this game will take rest of my free time

I Hope they will support DX11 as it is DX brakethrough like DX 9 was.

Currently for DX9, DX10 and DX11 in all of them there are difference in graphics

Keep in mind this post is TWO YEARS OLD! A good YEAR AND A HALF before CoD was released. Which means this conversation took place during the development of CoD.

Now ask yourself.. Do you see anything Oleg said in that post that could be construed as a promise that CoD would be a fully DX11 game?

I sure don't!

Now ask yourself.. What sort of person would read that and conclude what pupo162 concluded? Does that look like something an 'adult' mind would read and conclude, or something a 'child' like mind would read and conclude?

And by 'child' like I mean someone that has no real grasp on reality of PC games.

In that most adults realize..

Most if not all software/games are released with bugs
Things change between development and delivery

So in summary

As I pointed out, we received everything that was advertised (read promised) at the date of release. And below is a list of what was advertised. As you read the following, note, no mention what so ever of DX11


In order to play this game properly, your PC MUST meet or exceed these minimum system requirements:

Supported OS: Windows 7 / Vista SP2 / Windows XP SP3
Processor: 2.0 GHz Pentium Dual-Core or Athlon X2 3800+ (2.66 GHz Intel Core i5 or 2.6 GHz AMD Phenom II X4 recommended)
RAM: 2GB (4GB recommended)
Video Card: 512 MB DirectX 9.0c compliant video card (1 GB DirectX 10 recommended)(See supported List*)
DirectX: DirectX 9.0c or DirectX 10 (included on disc)
DVD-ROM Drive: 8X DVD-ROM
Sound Card: DirectX 9.0c compatible
Hard Disk Space: 10GB free hard disk space
Peripherals Supported: Mouse, keyboard (joystick with throttle and rudder control recommended)
Internet Connection: Broadband connection with 128 kbps upstream or faster

*Supported Video Cards at time of release:
ATI Radeon 4850 / 5000 / 6000 series or better
NVIDIA Geforce 8800 / 9000 / 250 / 460 series or better
Laptop versions of these cards may work but are NOT supported. These chipsets are the only ones that will run this game.
Joystick compatibility
Saitek PRO Flight Yoke / Saitek PRO Flight Rudder Pedals
Saitek X52
Saitek AV8R
Logitech Extreme 3D Pro
Logitech Attack 3
Microsoft Xbox 360 Controller Wired & Wireless (limited compatibility)
Most CH Products
Most Thrustmaster Products

Example of the above can be found at all of the following OFFICIAL links

http://shop.ubi.com/store/ubina/en_US/pd/productID.224108000
http://ubisoft-en.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/14550/~/cliffs-of-dover-%3Aminimum-requiremts
http://ubisoft.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/14553/~/minimum-requirements-for-il2-sturmovik%3A-cliffs-of-dover

So, not sure where this DX11 'myth' comes from? It surly didn't come from any official 1C, UBI, or STEAM web site. Some of which are over 6 months old. Note I don't have the box version, so at this point I can only assume that it is mentioned there? I mean this myth would have to be based on more that what pupo162 provided above.. Right? Assuming it is mentioned somewhere, go back a page or two and I think you will see that robtek already covered it.

[Tvrdi]

pls somebody stop him....so we can carry on regularly....

[ACE-OF-ACES]

you are an epic Troll dude....
Tvrdi.. You never answered my question.. If not the money than what is it that has you so upset about CoD?

[philip.ed]

Poor ed

What's the matter bud? Your whole DX11 excuse you were trying to hang your hat on disappeared?

You poor thing.. let it go bud! Before you bust something you need!


I'm not getting upset at all. :cool: The fact is that the game won't run if you input the DX-11 command. lobi said as such.
but that leads back to what you said about the game mentioning 'support'
Jesus mate, I have said, can't you understand that the whole suggestion is that the game will be making use of the updated features of DX-11? (improved tesselation etc etc)? Of course you can read into it that the game 'can' make use of the feature for future installment, but game boxes don't generally list the features that will be made available.

Could we drop the childish vendetta mate? I chat openly and enthusiastically with all here. Mostly it's banter, but you dissect everything and take it completely out of context.

[Crane]

Can someone ban this Ace of Aces dickhead??

[ACE-OF-ACES]

I'm not getting upset at all. :cool: The fact is that the game won't run if you input the DX-11 command. lobi said as such.
but that leads back to what you said about the game mentioning 'support'
Jesus mate, I have said, can't you understand that the whole suggestion is that the game will be making use of the updated features of DX-11? (improved tesselation etc etc)? Of course you can read into it that the game 'can' make use of the feature for future installment, but game boxes don't generally list the features that will be made available.

Could we drop the childish vendetta mate? I chat openly and enthusiastically with all here. Mostly it's banter, but you dissect everything and take it completely out of context.
So you now agree that CoD was not advertised as a DX11 game?

Ah good glad I could help! S!

[pupo162]

for someone i dont know, you know a awsome lot about me doctor phil.

anyway. you are right. We never got promised this gmae to be fully funcional. we werent promised stuter free gameplay, we were not promissed dx11.

this game is exactly as promised.

you win.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

for someone i dont know, you know a awsome lot about me doctor phil.

anyway. you are right. We never got promised this gmae to be fully funcional. we werent promised stuter free gameplay, we were not promissed dx11.

this game is exactly as promised.

you win.

For those who are reading this and not familiar with pupo162 know that he has nothing good to say about CoD. Why he is so negative, well that is one for the Freudian types out there. We don't need to know why he is, only that he is. With that said this reply to his post is not to him, it is to those who are not familiar with his agenda. So with that in mind allow me to point out how silly his latest attempt is. That being that 1C, UBI, or STEAM advertised CoD as DirectX 11 game.

Lets begin

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?p=114251#post114251

Note he only provided '1' link to '1' post by Oleg back in October of 2009, Some two years ago, and nearly a year and a half before CoD was released. That is to say during the development of CoD. As as all 'adults' can tell you, things can change between development and delivery.

Also note that pupo162 did NOT quote what Oleg said in that post two years ago

Ask yourself.. Don't you think pupo162 would have quoted it here if this was the holly grail of proof that 1C, UBI, or STEAM promised a fully DirectX 11 game? Well there is a reason for that, pupo162 is hoping you will not click on the link and simply read pupo162's summary of what Oleg said as proof. Fact is any adult clicking on that link and reading what Oleg actually said will see that there is no promise that CoD will ultimately be a fully DirectX 11 game. As it does prove to us is that Oleg was looking into the differences between DX9, DX10, and DX11.

So out of the 'many' this was the best pupo162 could find?

Does that not tell you something?

Now allow me to actually post 'here' what Oleg said at that '1' link pupo162 provided, i.e.

I have a bad feeling, that this game will take rest of my free time

I Hope they will support DX11 as it is DX brakethrough like DX 9 was.

Currently for DX9, DX10 and DX11 in all of them there are difference in graphics

Keep in mind this post is TWO YEARS OLD! A good YEAR AND A HALF before CoD was released. Which means this conversation took place during the development of CoD.

Now ask yourself.. Do you see anything Oleg said in that post that could be construed as a promise that CoD would be a fully DX11 game?

I sure don't!

Now ask yourself.. What sort of person would read that and conclude what pupo162 concluded? Does that look like something an 'adult' mind would read and conclude, or something a 'child' like mind would read and conclude?

And by 'child' like I mean someone that has no real grasp on reality of PC games.

In that most adults realize..

Most if not all software/games are released with bugs
Things change between development and delivery

So in summary

As I pointed out, we received everything that was advertised (read promised) at the date of release. And below is a list of what was advertised. As you read the following, note, no mention what so ever of DX11


In order to play this game properly, your PC MUST meet or exceed these minimum system requirements:

Supported OS: Windows 7 / Vista SP2 / Windows XP SP3
Processor: 2.0 GHz Pentium Dual-Core or Athlon X2 3800+ (2.66 GHz Intel Core i5 or 2.6 GHz AMD Phenom II X4 recommended)
RAM: 2GB (4GB recommended)
Video Card: 512 MB DirectX 9.0c compliant video card (1 GB DirectX 10 recommended)(See supported List*)
DirectX: DirectX 9.0c or DirectX 10 (included on disc)
DVD-ROM Drive: 8X DVD-ROM
Sound Card: DirectX 9.0c compatible
Hard Disk Space: 10GB free hard disk space
Peripherals Supported: Mouse, keyboard (joystick with throttle and rudder control recommended)
Internet Connection: Broadband connection with 128 kbps upstream or faster

*Supported Video Cards at time of release:
ATI Radeon 4850 / 5000 / 6000 series or better
NVIDIA Geforce 8800 / 9000 / 250 / 460 series or better
Laptop versions of these cards may work but are NOT supported. These chipsets are the only ones that will run this game.
Joystick compatibility
Saitek PRO Flight Yoke / Saitek PRO Flight Rudder Pedals
Saitek X52
Saitek AV8R
Logitech Extreme 3D Pro
Logitech Attack 3
Microsoft Xbox 360 Controller Wired & Wireless (limited compatibility)
Most CH Products
Most Thrustmaster Products

Example of the above can be found at all of the following OFFICIAL links

http://shop.ubi.com/store/ubina/en_US/pd/productID.224108000
http://ubisoft-en.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/14550/~/cliffs-of-dover-%3Aminimum-requiremts
http://ubisoft.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/14553/~/minimum-requirements-for-il2-sturmovik%3A-cliffs-of-dover

So, not sure where this DX11 'myth' comes from? It surly didn't come from any official 1C, UBI, or STEAM web site. Some of which are over 6 months old. Note I don't have the box version, so at this point I can only assume that it is mentioned there? I mean this myth would have to be based on more that what pupo162 provided above.. Right? Assuming it is mentioned somewhere, go back a page or two and I think you will see that robtek already covered it.

[pupo162]

what have i done :(

[philip.ed]

So you now agree that CoD was not advertised as a DX11 game?

Ah good glad I could help! S!


Hahaha...
no. Completely wrong mate. (unless you were satisfying my last point?)

http://il2sturmovik.ubi.com/cliffs-of-dover/en-GB/game-info/key-features/

New 3D engine – Latest-gen graphics engine with DX10 and DX11 API support.

As I said. 'Support' can be taken into any context. I don't want to split hairs. As aforementioned, it is the same as the: 'dogs must be carried on lifts' sign. If you read it literally, it doesn't always fit the statement appropiately.

Shall we just agree to disagree mate? You won't change my opinion, and proving me wrong is impossible, in the same way that proving you wrong is impossible too.

[Tvrdi]

Tvrdi.. You never answered my question.. If not the money than what is it that has you so upset about CoD?

My last answer for you trolly....I WAS upset (not anymore since now I can play this game) because I purchased a product which was released in alpha state (by all means). Thats a fact.
goodbye

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Hahaha...
no. Completely wrong mate. (unless you were satisfying my last point?)

http://il2sturmovik.ubi.com/cliffs-of-dover/en-GB/game-info/key-features/

New 3D engine – Latest-gen graphics engine with DX10 and DX11 API support.

As I said. 'Support' can be taken into any context. I don't want to split hairs. As aforementioned, it is the same as the: 'dogs must be carried on lifts' sign. If you read it literally, it doesn't always fit the statement appropiately.

Shall we just agree to disagree mate? You won't change my opinion, and proving me wrong is impossible, in the same way that proving you wrong is impossible too.
Yes rob allready covered that, now, put support aside for a moment and at that same link you provided click on PC CONFIGURATION

http://il2sturmovik.ubi.com/cliffs-of-dover/en-GB/game-info/pc-configuration/index.aspx

And note that no where does it say DX 11

[ACE-OF-ACES]

My last answer for you trolly
If only!

....I WAS upset (not anymore since now I can play this game) because I purchased a product which was released in alpha state (by all means). Thats a fact. goodbye
Well I am glad your not upset now

I only wish you were aware of the FACT that most, if not all games (software in general) is released with bugs. That is to say it is unrealistic to expect there to be no bugs! Thus you being upset about that is.. well.. silly IMHO

[philip.ed]

Yes rob allready covered that, now, put support aside for a moment and at that same link you provided click on PC CONFIGURATION

http://il2sturmovik.ubi.com/cliffs-of-dover/en-GB/game-info/pc-configuration/index.aspx

And note that no where does it say DX 11

Yes, fair point mate, but then again DX-11 isn't necessary, is it? So the misleading statement (which is completely ethical on a literal basis) still stands.

I think my last line sums it up. It is legit; just ethically it suggests towards inclusion which could easily mislead customers, as it clearly has done.
Not many people will dissect a game's cover art to determine what is actually included.

[Crane]

Yes, fair point mate, but then again DX-11 isn't necessary, is it? So the misleading statement (which is completely ethical on a literal basis) still stands.

I think my last line sums it up. It is legit; just ethically it suggests towards inclusion which could easily mislead customers, as it clearly has done.
Not many people will dissect a game's cover art to determine what is actually included.

It says it here...

The Best of Technology for Ultimate Realism New 3D engine – Latest-gen graphics engine with DX10 and DX11 API support. Huge variety of photorealistic ground vehicles, buildings and other environmental elements recreate minute details of 1940s Europe.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Yes, fair point mate,
Agreed

but then again DX-11 isn't necessary, is it?
Not sure what you mean by necessary? As in you need DX 11 to run the game? Or not necessary to list it as supported?

So the misleading statement (which is completely ethical on a literal basis) still stands.
Not really IMHO

To understand my point of view you need to understand what DX 11 API means

An application programming interface (API) is standard code (library, routines, data structures, protocols, etc) interface that software programs can use to communicate with each other. Therefore just because CoD is using DX 11 API for development does not make it a DX 11 game. Surly DX 11 has features that DX 10 does not, but at the same time DX 11 is backwards compatible with DX 10. So, it is smart for 1C to use the newest DX API, even though they may not be making use of some of the new DX 11 features that are not in DX 10. In that in the near future, they may find a DX 11 feature that they want to use and add in as a patch.

Put another way (layman) just because they use the DX 11 API, does not mean they are using exclusive DX 11 features

I think my last line sums it up. It is legit; just ethically it suggests towards inclusion which could easily mislead customers, as it clearly has done.
Only to those who do not realize that just because they are using the latest DX 11 API for development, does not mean they are making use of DX 11 exclusive features. All it means is the decided to use the latest and greatest DX 11 API for development.

Not many people will dissect a game's cover art to determine what is actually included.
Which is fine, but in the same breath just because they didn't read it before they bought it does not give them an excuse to beyach about it later

[IamNotDavid]

Great job by AoA. It's pretty obvious who in here understands how software is developed and who doesn't. You whiners might learn something if you actually read his posts.

[philip.ed]

Well said Aces :) Agreed on all points, other than the fact that the statement was/is misleading to those of us who have limited knowledge in these areas, and unless I had asked the opinion of someone as knowledgeable as yourself, I really would have believed the game was making use of DX-11 (as many others clearly have too). My remark on 'necessity' was in reference to DX-11 being needed to run the game.

This debate aside, it doesn't sugar-coat the issues surrounding release videos on portraying the game (in showing how the release was misleading), but I think we understand one-another better now.

S!

[ElAurens]

David, I don't always agree with you, but in this case you are spot on.

[kendo65]

Ace - your interpretation concerning DX11 support is wrong. That statement from Oleg means exactly what it implies, that the game would use DX11 features, i.e. it was intended to be a DX11 game.

Luthier said shortly after release that they attempted a DX11 implementation but had to shelve it temporarily as it was too buggy. Presumably they have been concentrating on other features in the meantime and eventually we will get to see DX11 working in COD.

It never ceases to amaze me how people can adopt such a lawyer-like butchery of the English language in an attempt to prove they are right.

The confusion regarding DX11 implementation in the release publicity is down to the somewhat chaotic way that it was all handled - essentially marketing/publicity were a step or two behind the developers and were still touting a temporarily deprecated feature.

[Tvrdi]

the bottom line is - game is released in alpha state; was unplayable on most machines, lacking proper FSAA (still is), with crap sounds, full screen missing, full video options, etc (not to mention the circus with epileptic filter)....we can talk about bugs and how sims are complicated etc....but if majority of folks had literally slideshows after the game was released.....and we still have serious performance issus (example, when the dust and other effects are near, when more planes are near down low etc.) then we have the right to be disappointed.

[Crane]

Ace - your interpretation concerning DX11 support is wrong. That statement from Oleg means exactly what it implies, that the game would use DX11 features, i.e. it was intended to be a DX11 game.

Luthier said shortly after release that they attempted a DX11 implementation but had to shelve it temporarily as it was too buggy. Presumably they have been concentrating on other features in the meantime and eventually we will get to see DX11 working in COD.

It never ceases to amaze me how people can adopt such a lawyer-like butchery of the English language in an attempt to prove they are right.

The confusion regarding DX11 implementation in the release publicity is down to the somewhat chaotic way that it was all handled - essentially marketing/publicity were a step or two behind the developers and were still touting a temporarily deprecated feature.

This is 100% correct.

[IamNotDavid]

the bottom line is - game is released in alpha state; was unplayable on most machines, lacking proper FSAA (still is), with crap sounds, full screen missing, full video options, etc (not to mention the circus with epileptic filter)....we can talk about bugs and how sims are complicated etc....but if majority of folks had literally slideshows after the game was released.....and we still have serious performance issus (example, when the dust and other effects are near, when more planes are near down low etc.)....

All of which happened several months ago. It's long past time that people stopped whining about it.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Ace - your interpretation concerning DX11 support is wrong. That statement from Oleg means exactly what it implies, that the game would use DX11 features, i.e. it was intended to be a DX11 game.

Luthier said shortly after release that they attempted a DX11 implementation but had to shelve it temporarily as it was too buggy. Presumably they have been concentrating on other features in the meantime and eventually we will get to see DX11 working in COD.

It never ceases to amaze me how people can adopt such a lawyer-like butchery of the English language in an attempt to prove they are right.

The confusion regarding DX11 implementation in the release publicity is down to the somewhat chaotic way that it was all handled - essentially marketing/publicity were a step or two behind the developers and were still touting a temporarily deprecated feature.

That's 200% correct.

New 3D engine – Latest-gen graphics engine with DX10 and DX11 API support. Huge variety of photorealistic ground vehicles, buildings and other environmental elements recreate minute details of 1940s Europe.

That's the simple point, no subject for discussion.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Ace - your interpretation concerning DX11 support is wrong.
Hardly..

But don't take my word for it kendo65!

Do a little research and you will see that I am right. In a nut shell DX11 provides something previous versions did not provide, or not fully provide. The key feature being what Microsoft calls feature levels

Knowing in advance that you and people like you are too lazy to actually do the leg work to research this I took the liberty of collecting the links and pertinent references for you in the following.. Enjoy (or chock on it, either way is fine by me)

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh309467(v=VS.85).aspx

Getting Started with DirectX Graphics
Microsoft DirectX graphics provides a set of APIs that you can use to create games and other high-performance multimedia applications. DirectX graphics includes support for high-performance 2-D and 3-D graphics.

For 3-D graphics, use the Microsoft Direct3D 11 API. Even if you have Microsoft Direct3D 9-level or Microsoft Direct3D 10-level hardware, you can use the Direct3D 11API and target a feature level 9_x or feature level 10_x device.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff476876(v=VS.85).aspx#Overview
Direct3D 11 on Downlevel Hardware (feature level)
To handle the diversity of video cards in new and existing machines, Microsoft Direct3D 11 introduces the concept of feature levels. Each video card implements a certain level of Microsoft Direct3D functionality depending on the graphics processing unit (GPU) installed. In prior versions of Direct3D, you could find out the version of Direct3D the video card implemented, and then program your application accordingly.

With Direct3D 11, a new paradigm is introduced called feature levels. A feature level is a well defined set of GPU functionality. For instance, the 9_1 feature level implements the functionality that was implemented in Microsoft Direct3D 9, which exposes the capabilities of shader models ps_2_x and vs_2_x, while the 11_0 feature level implements the functionality that was implemented in Direct3D 11.

Now when you create a device, you can attempt to create a device for the feature level that you want to request. If the device creation works, that feature level exists, if not, the hardware does not support that feature level. You can either try to recreate a device at a lower feature level or you can choose to exit the application. See D3D11CreateDevice.

Now after reading that, it is clear to all those who have a basic understanding of programing as to why 1C would choose to use the DX 11 API.

Your milage may vary kendo65

[ACE-OF-ACES]

the bottom line is - game is released in alpha state; was unplayable on most machines, lacking proper FSAA (still is), with crap sounds, full screen missing, full video options, etc (not to mention the circus with epileptic filter)....we can talk about bugs and how sims are complicated etc....but if majority of folks had literally slideshows after the game was released.....and we still have serious performance issus (example, when the dust and other effects are near, when more planes are near down low etc.) then we have the right to be disappointed.
Bottom line is we got everything that was advertised and more

[LoBiSoMeM]

Bottom line is we got everything that was advertised and more

"We don't have AA in this picture because the PC used was old..."

Stop, please... :rolleyes:

[ACE-OF-ACES]

That's 200% correct.

New 3D engine – Latest-gen graphics engine with DX10 and DX11 API support. Huge variety of photorealistic ground vehicles, buildings and other environmental elements recreate minute details of 1940s Europe.

That's the simple point, no subject for discussion.Clearly you are confused as to the definition of API support.. Take a moment and read my last post with the Microsoft links that described what DX 11 API support provides.. Assuming you want to learn and not whine?

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Well said Aces :) Agreed on all points, other than the fact that the statement was/is misleading to those of us who have limited knowledge in these areas, and unless I had asked the opinion of someone as knowledgeable as yourself, I really would have believed the game was making use of DX-11 (as many others clearly have too). My remark on 'necessity' was in reference to DX-11 being needed to run the game.

This debate aside, it doesn't sugar-coat the issues surrounding release videos on portraying the game (in showing how the release was misleading), but I think we understand one-another better now.

S!
I admit, it is confusing.. But just because we are confused on some aspects does not mean 1C, UBI, STEAM cheated us out of something or fool us into something.

All this talk of DX 11 even forced me to do a little more research on the mater, and now it is clear as rain as to what 1C, UBI, STEAM meant by DX 11 API support. Turns out that not only does DX 11 provide more features that are not in DX 10, but DX 11 also provides something they call feature levels, basically a build in hardware auto detect of sorts that makes life much easier on the programing team.

Problem is most people here see DX 11 but they don't see the API after it and expect this game to be using DX features that are exclusive to DX 11. As in features not in DX 10. I think those who want to learn will see that now and correct themselves.. As for those that just want a reason to whine.. Well no amount of information is going to change what they think.

[kendo65]

You are still wrong Aces - either willfully or through ignorance.

Any sensible, plain English interpretation of what is meant by 'DX11 game' or 'DX11 supported' is that specific DX 11 features will be used in the game. This is what was intended to happen with COD. It is what the developers were working on. It is what Oleg was referring to in the link.

None-implementation of any specifically DX11 features means the game is not currently DX11 in any reasonable meaning of the term - certainly for trade description and legal purposes I don't think any company would attempt to take the line that you seem to be suggesting.

Whether it uses feature levels to provide backwards compatibility with DX 9, 10 or 10.1 hardware or some previous means of doing so is immaterial.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

You are still wrong Aces - either willfully or through ignorance.

Any sensible, plain English interpretation of what is meant by 'DX11 game' or 'DX11 supported' is that specific DX 11 features will be used in the game. This is what was intended to happen with COD. It is what the developers were working on. It is what Oleg was referring to in the link.

None-implementation of any specifically DX11 features means the game is not currently DX11 in any reasonable meaning of the term - certainly for trade description and legal purposes I don't think any company would attempt to take the line that you seem to be suggesting.

Whether it uses feature levels to provide backwards compatibility with DX 9, 10 or 10.1 hardware or some previous means of doing so is immaterial.
As I noted above.. I think those who want to learn will see that now and correct themselves.. As for those that just want a reason to whine.. Well no amount of information is going to change what they think.

[kendo65]

Problem is most people here see DX 11 but they don't see the API after it and expect this game to be using DX features that are exclusive to DX 11. As in features not in DX 10.

That is the CORRECT meaning of the term in this context - ie what Oleg meant in his reply.


I think those who want to learn will see that now and correct themselves.. As for those that just want a reason to whine.. Well no amount of information is going to change what they think.

You are just WRONG!

[ACE-OF-ACES]

You are just WRONG!
Hardly..

But you clearly are confusing DX11 with DX11 API support

Take a deep breath, count to 10 (not 11, pun intended) and read Microsofts definitioin of DX 11 API support

[kendo65]

:)

I did read it...and unlike yourself I also understood it. Sorry but I've better things to do with my time.

Cheers

[ACE-OF-ACES]

:)

I did read it...and unlike yourself I also understood it.
Your still not getting it are you?

Maybe this will help?

DX11 is not equal to DX11 API support.

Just because you are confused about that does not mean 1C, UBI, or STEAM cheated us out of something or tried to fool us into something.

With that said, allow me to try and drive this point home to you.. The following two quotes come from the same ubi website

Under the KEY FEATURES tab it points out the DX11 API is supported (see my previous post for what that means)

KEY FEATURES
THE BEST OF TECHNOLOGY FOR ULTIMATE REALISM
New 3D engine – Latest-gen graphics engine with DX10 and DX11 API support. Huge variety of photorealistic ground vehicles, buildings and other environmental elements recreate minute details of 1940s Europe.

On that same page under the PC CONFIGURATION tab it points out that DX 9.0c compliant video cards are required, but DX 10 compliant cards are recommended.

PC CONFIGURATION
PC Configuration
OPERATING SYSTEM: Windows® 7 / Vista SP2 / Windows XP SP3
PROCESSOR: Pentium® Dual-Core 2.0GHz or Athlon™ X2 3800+ (Intel Core i5 2.66GHz or AMD Phenom II X4 2.6GHz recommended)
RAM: 2GB (4GB recommended)
VIDEO CARD: DirectX® 9.0c compliant, 512Mb Video Card (1GB DirectX® 10 recommended) – See supported List*
DIRECT X®: DirectX® 9.0c (included on disc)
DVD-ROM DRIVE: 8X
SOUND CARD: DirectX 9.0c compatible (… recommended)
HARD DISK: 10GB
PERIPHERALS: Mouse, keyboard
MULTIPLAY: Broadband connection with 128 kbps upstream or faster
An internet connexion is required to activate the game
*SUPPORTED VIDEO CARDS AT TIME OF RELEASE:
ATI® : 4850/4870/5830/5850/5770/5870/6870/6950/6970
NVidia®: 8800/9800/250/260/275/285/460/465/470/480
Laptop models of these cards may work but are not supported. These chipsets are the only ones that will run this game. Additional chipsets may be supported after release. For an uptodate list of supported chipsets, please visit the FAQ for this game on our website: http://support.ubi.com
NOTICE: This game contains technology intended to prevent copying that may conflict with some DVD-RW and virtual drives.

Note that neither one says the game is a DX 11 game!

I hope that clears things up for you!

But I suspcet it wont in that you clearly strike me as someone that just wants and needs a reason to complain, I hope I am wrong! But thus far I think I have you pegged

[Welshman]

Even if you have Microsoft Direct3D 9-level or Microsoft Direct3D 10-level hardware, you can use the Direct3D 11API and target a feature level 9_x or feature level 10_x device.

and if you have a dx11 card ?

[ACE-OF-ACES]

and if you have a dx11 card ?
Here is what MS has to say wrt to your question

Using feature levels, you can develop an application for Direct3D 9, Microsoft Direct3D 10, or Direct3D 11, and then run it on 9, 10 or 11 hardware (with some exceptions of course, new 11 features will not run on an existing 9 card for example).

I don't work for Microsoft and I am not DirectX expert, but I write a fare amount of software where I work. And based on what I have read about DX11 API support.. The developer (in this case 1C) can use the DX 11 API for software development.. But that does not necessarily mean the game is a DX 11 game, as in making use of DX 11 features (like Shader Model 5.0 in DX 11 v.s. Shader Model 4.x in DX 10). Because the DX 11 API allows the developer to pick what 'level' they want to use. So, say Microsoft is having issues with some of the DX 11 features.. And as some have stated Luther even made a comment about 1C having issues with some DX 11 features. Using the DX 11 API, the developer can simply limit the support to say DX 10. Until Microsoft fixes the problems. Assuming that is the case and 1C used the DX 11 API to limit the feature level to DX 10, than..

If you have a DX 9.0c compliant card, CoD will run DX 9.0c features (downgrade to 9.0c)
If you have a DX 10.0 compliant card, CoD will run DX 10.0 features (uses 10)
If you have a DX 11.0 compliant card, CoD will run DX 10.0 features (downgrade to 10)

Does that clear it up?

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Great job by AoA. It's pretty obvious who in here understands how software is developed and who doesn't. You whiners might learn something if you actually read his posts.S!

[Vengeanze]

The common and proper way of programming games today is to enable DX11 features for gamers on Vista/W7 with a vidcard that supports DX11 while still support DX10/9.
Battlefield: Bad Company 2 and now BF3 are just two examples of this.

So reading that CloD has DX11 API support the natural thing is to think they built it the same way everyone does and not that it is just informative text saying they are programming CloD's "Latest-gen graphics engine" using DX11 APIs indicating that we might see some DX11 features some time in the future...if we're lucky.
I mean it's like blocking all gears in a car except for 1st and 2nd but still claim the car can do 150 mph.

[Tacoma74]

Well if i do remember correctly full DX11 support was dropped right before release because of performance issues. So perhaps this is something that can be reincorporated at a later time once the issues are ironed out? Maybe this could be part of the "major graphic engine overhaul" that luthier mentioned. I guess we'll wait and see.

[Vengeanze]

Well if i do remember correctly full DX11 support was dropped right before release because of performance issues. So perhaps this is something that can be reincorporated at a later time once the issues are ironed out? Maybe this could be part of the "major graphic engine overhaul" that luthier mentioned. I guess we'll wait and see.

Yep.
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=217337&postcount=36

I too believe that this >50% fps raise that Luthier is talking about has something to do with DX11 support. This would imply that some with older OS/HW won't experience that big of a raise though.

[Crane]

Nobody else is buying into this Ace of aces fool being some kind of expert are they? Surely you can all see through his Bull crap? Please tell me you can.:rolleyes:

[ACE-OF-ACES]

So reading that CloD has DX11 API support the natural thing is to think they built it the same way everyone does
It may be natural for the average person to 'think' that way..

But I think we all can agree that 1C, UBI, and STEAM is not responsable for what some people may think.

1C, UBI, and STEAM are only responsable for what the advertised.

And it should be clear to all now that just because some people here like you 'jumped' to that conclusion does not mean 1C, UBI, or STEAM cheated us out of something or tried to fool us into something.

I will say this, I am glad to see that you are open minded enough to not only admit you were wrong, but open minded enough to read and learn what API support means. So a big S for you!

[Crane]

It may be natural for the average person to 'think' that way..

But I think we all can agree that 1C, UBI, and STEAM is not responsable for what some people may think.

1C, UBI, and STEAM are only responsable for what the advertised.

And it should be clear to all now that just because some people here like you 'jumped' to that conclusion does not mean 1C, UBI, or STEAM cheated us out of something or tried to fool us into something.

I will say this, I am glad to see that you are open minded enough to not only admit you were wrong, but open minded enough to read and learn what API support means. So a big S for you!

Such a patronising XXXXXXXXX

[LoBiSoMeM]

Such a patronising w*nker.

+1000

He's a sick person, we need to understand... :rolleyes:

[Tvrdi]

Such a patronising w*nker.

and sick...probabaly first one here sick for real..its not even funny any more....

EDIT: LOL Lebisomem was faster..

[Crane]

Well I will get a ban for calling him that but it will be worth it.... byeeee.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Nobody else is buying into this Ace of aces fool being some kind of expert are they? Surely you can all see through his Bull crap? Please tell me you can.:rolleyes:LOL!
You can always spot the guy who is upset and has absolutely nothing to back up his claims.

How you ask?

Typical troll attack the messenger tactics and ignore the message tatics

They are easy to spot, first thing to notice is they didn't quote anything I actually said, let alone provide anything to the contradict (link, book reference, etc) what I said

Thus all they are left with is to attack me personal, because they know they can not attack the message.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

+1000

He's a sick person, we need to understand... :rolleyes:
LOL

You can always spot the guy who is upset and has absolutely nothing to back up his claims.

How you ask?

Typical troll attack the messenger tactics and ignore the message tatics

They are easy to spot, first thing to notice is they didn't quote anything I actually said, let alone provide anything to the contradict (link, book reference, etc) what I said

Thus all they are left with is to attack me personal, because they know they can not attack the message.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

and sick...probabaly first one here sick for real..its not even funny any more....

EDIT: LOL Lebisomem was faster..
LOL!

You can always spot the guy who is upset and has absolutely nothing to back up his claims.

How you ask?

Typical troll attack the messenger tactics and ignore the message tatics

They are easy to spot, first thing to notice is they didn't quote anything I actually said, let alone provide anything to the contradict (link, book reference, etc) what I said

Thus all they are left with is to attack me personal, because they know they can not attack the message.

[Tvrdi]

LOL!

You can always spot the guy who is upset and has absolutely nothing to back up his claims.

How you ask?

Typical troll attack the messenger tactics and ignore the message tatics

They are easy to spot, first thing to notice is they didn't quote anything I actually said, let alone provide anything to the contradict (link, book reference, etc) what I said

Thus all they are left with is to attack me personal, because they know they can not attack the message.

mesage is "Im sick help me!"

[ACE-OF-ACES]

mesage is "Im sick help me!"
LOL!

You can always spot the guy who is upset and has absolutely nothing to back up his claims.

How you ask?

Easy!

First thing to notice is they didn't quote anything I actually said, let alone refute any of the information I provided from Microsoft one the definition of what DX 11 API support means

But that does not stop him from attacking me personally!

Why?

Well because he knows I am right and that upsets him to the point that he feels he has to

That and he knows that any attempt to refute me or any of the info I provided would only further prove how right I am

So instead he trys to take the focus off him being wrong by attacking me personaly hoping I will respond in kind and thus turn this into a flame fest. Typical troll tatics!

Which only goes to prove that there are two types of people in this world

1) Someone who can admit they were wrong
2) Someone who can NOT admit they were wrong

He being the latter

[LoBiSoMeM]

mesage is "Im sick help me!"

Best post ever! :-P

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Best post ever! :-P
LOL!

You can always spot the guy who is upset and has absolutely nothing to back up his argument.

How you ask?

Easy!

Notice is he didn't quote let alone refute anything I actually said wrt Microsoft definition of what DX 11 API support means.

That is to say he didn't provide anything to the contrary (link, book reference, etc) to contradict what I said.

Why?

Well because he knows I am right!

And he also knows that any attempt his part to try and 'spin it' will only prove how empty his argument are and how wrong he is.

Which leaves him with only one way out.

Kill the messenger!

Because he knows he can not attack the message!

His goal (hope) being I will respond in kind and turn this into a flame feast to take the focus off the fact that he is wrong.

Typical troll tactics!

Which only goes to prove that there are two types of people in this world

1) People who are adult enough to admit they were wrong
2) People who are NOT adult enough to admit they were wrong

He being the latter

[IamNotDavid]

mesage is "Im sick help me!"

Someone is projecting.

[Heliocon]

Excellent question Krupi (which I have actually asked Ilya before and received no response). I'm rapidly losing faith in CoD ever representing a convincing or immersive representation of the BoB without extensive community intervention (IE Mission builders, modding etc).

It seems one of the most pivotal battles in History (fact) may just be a 1c 'test lab' now, reduced to the status of Guinea pig....which is a shame. Tossing this into the 'that'll do' bin would be a mistake on their part. Please prove me wrong. Surely all new developments/features in 'Battle for Moscow' will be applicable to CoD, too? Madness to think otherwise, but these days I sadly find myself second guessing everything they do. :o

Wont spend $1 on another one of their games unless COD is fixed to the highest level it can be through patches and we get the game we payed for. I am not willing to pay them for the game and hope the community fixes it, thats some bs.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Wont spend $1 on another one of their games unless COD is fixed to the highest level it can be through patches and we get the game we payed for. I am not willing to pay them for the game and hope the community fixes it, thats some bs.

You guys missed the point...

We have a great air combat flight sim engine, with good content. We have a highly flexible FMB...

"Community fixes it"? YOU can do a lot of missions in FMB! YOU can do ASAP a lot of things with this sim engine!

I'm amazed how people still not seeing this... "Pay them for the game"... Yes, we payed and we received this great sim.

I fly modded IL-2 1946 almost in MP and modded arenas. CloD engine to me is a dream! :cool:

[robtek]

You guys missed the point...

We have a great air combat flight sim engine, with good content. We have a highly flexible FMB...

"Community fixes it"? YOU can do a lot of missions in FMB! YOU can do ASAP a lot of things with this sim engine!

I'm amazed how people still not seeing this... "Pay them for the game"... Yes, we payed and we received this great sim.

I fly modded IL-2 1946 almost in MP and modded arenas. CloD engine to me is a dream! :cool:

LoBiSoMeM,

with this pov i really don't understand why you don't side with AoA.

I fail to see, why you think you have to oppose him, is it personal?

It seems this slug-fest has only escalated about some really minor differences.

[furbs]

Yep, and nothing to do with the OP's question. Which as we all know will not get answered.

[robtek]

For those who don't want to read all pages, the original topic!


"We obviously remain hard at work on the series. We will continue to improve the game up until the eventual release of its sequel."

Above is an extract from your last update, as expected from such a sentence there is muttering in the ranks about what this actually means.

Could you give us an insight into the future of Cliffs of Dover and Battle for Moscow!

Will the sequel be a standalone, addon or will it be both?

[pupo162]

For those who don't want to read all pages, the original topic!

well, im guessing that will be like forgotten battles, a stand alone, who incluedes all off cod + new expansion, not comaptible with COD.

[robtek]

If it includes all of CoD, how can it be incompatible with CoD???

Isn't every patch incompatible with previous versions?

[SYN_Repent]

if tree, or adonys, or one of the other so called "whiners" (good guys) had posted the original post, this thread would now be full of "stop whining and just play the new patch they released, let them get on with their work, it will be released when its ready, they will give us information when they can, they are too busy to answer right now"

krupi, stop f*cking whining and give luthier a break, dont over analyze what he says, your just looking for something to whine about.