Friday Development Update - September 16, 2011

[luthier]

Hi everyone,

Quick status update here.

Thank you all for testing the patch. We are continuing to work on the color scheme. Most of the commonly reported beta patch problems have been addressed, save for a few more complex newly introduced graphical glitches. We’re continuing to improve and expand the new sound.

The live version of the patch is tentatively scheduled for next Friday the 23rd. Please for the love of all that is holy note the word “tentatively” in the previous sentence.

We’ve also been playing with stereoscopic 3D for the game. This is NOT the secret feature everyone’s been emailing me about. Nevertheless, it’s really awesome and it really, well, adds another dimension to the game. Coupled with TrackIR it makes the game absolutely mind-boggling.

If you have a compliant monitor and glasses, please enjoy the attached screenshots. Otherwise – sorry, they most likely don’t work like magic eye, so don’t stare at them for too long!


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-IuP7Ch1JXX0/TnN2Zb7qJsI/AAAAAAAAAD4/-w7Lq3f7Phk/s144/shot_20110916_170440.png (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-IuP7Ch1JXX0/TnN2Zb7qJsI/AAAAAAAAAD4/-w7Lq3f7Phk/)https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9QdL-mGqhss/TnN2Yikt5fI/AAAAAAAAADw/eg17GaemvaI/s144/shot_20110916_170516.png (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9QdL-mGqhss/TnN2Yikt5fI/AAAAAAAAADw/eg17GaemvaI/)https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-CVnKeJR3d08/TnN2Ynh6O4I/AAAAAAAAAD0/JhvdG4B7p1k/s144/shot_20110916_170623.png (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-CVnKeJR3d08/TnN2Ynh6O4I/AAAAAAAAAD0/JhvdG4B7p1k/)

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-vrHcUDBLLn8/TnN2f3JaWBI/AAAAAAAAAD8/2nGmJIVOAyM/s144/shot_20110916_171358.png (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-vrHcUDBLLn8/TnN2f3JaWBI/AAAAAAAAAD8/2nGmJIVOAyM/)https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-boFUWtOBgBo/TnN2mAmaTpI/AAAAAAAAAEA/M9EgAa0p-4Q/s144/shot_20110916_171522.png (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-boFUWtOBgBo/TnN2mAmaTpI/AAAAAAAAAEA/M9EgAa0p-4Q/)https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-nxYKq6MDi3w/TnN2m3A7a6I/AAAAAAAAAEE/WxLNksQ17v4/s144/shot_20110916_171548.png (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-nxYKq6MDi3w/TnN2m3A7a6I/AAAAAAAAAEE/WxLNksQ17v4/)

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-iOqNL43jEoM/TnN2vg3QEYI/AAAAAAAAAEI/mAY857WJcOs/s144/shot_20110916_171917.png (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-iOqNL43jEoM/TnN2vg3QEYI/AAAAAAAAAEI/mAY857WJcOs/)https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-y0roUvETCz8/TnN22L3Y4dI/AAAAAAAAAEM/xshgUcwOPss/s144/shot_20110916_171941.png (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-y0roUvETCz8/TnN22L3Y4dI/AAAAAAAAAEM/xshgUcwOPss/)https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9jZaU6fkSJ0/TnN22UzJ6ZI/AAAAAAAAAEQ/EWvMp-wP_Tg/s144/shot_20110916_174258.png (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9jZaU6fkSJ0/TnN22UzJ6ZI/AAAAAAAAAEQ/EWvMp-wP_Tg/)

Images hosted courtesy of Conio

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=336988&postcount=27

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[No601_Swallow]

Great news! It's all good stuff.

Thanks!

[pupo162]

will you do a performance check? We need better performance please

PS.: photos donwt work. tough i dotn have 3d stuff anyway.

[nearmiss]

Bad links to photos

[Bloblast]

Can not open pictures.

[NSU]

thx for the info

[Cataplasma]

Nice to hear that 3D will be probably supported.
Thank you very much, good work

[JG1_Luckystrike]

link is broken

[Jatta Raso]

shit, my avatar glasses don't work with these

but hey thank you for keeping us up to date

[Jumo211]

Thank you for the update :cool:
Fridaaaaay !! :grin:

[csThor]

Someone will ignore the "tentatively", cheesehawk. Bound to happen. :rolleyes:

[Ali Fish]

but but but.. F1 2011 comes out that day :(

.joke. cant wait. thanks for the update.

tentative [ˈtɛntətɪv]
adj
1. provisional or experimental; conjectural
2. hesitant, uncertain, or cautious
[from Medieval Latin tentātīvus, from Latin tentāre to test]

[Sammi79]

I got very little love for 'holy' things. But thanks for the update :grin: Its already a lot quieter round here with the new sounds working, more people are playing instead.

Lookin' forward to the official patch whenever it gets here.

[adonys]

thank you for the update!

The images seems to be anaglyph images though.. will IL2 CoD support nvidia 3D stereoscopic gaming mode?

Also, we would really like an update on the situation with radio comms fixing, pretty please.

[luthier]

Bad links to photos

Sorry, no idea how to fix it. These are large .png files, too large to attach to a post. If I save them as jpegs they lose their quality and lose the effect.

Drats!

[adonys]

you can upload them on mediafire, it's a free files upload server. or imageshack.

Also, we would like a word regarding the annoying terrain missing patches fix, please.

[Ali Fish]

com'on guys, let luthier be for now. they are doin great work, the less hassle for them the better. these guys are actually making this you know!

before you comment they do know whats wrong and whats not, and for the love of everything holy lets let em get on with it. im not insinuatng you dont deserve and answer because you do. but this is there way of doing things.

[Madfish]

tentative [ˈtɛntətɪv]
adj
1. provisional or experimental; conjectural
2. hesitant, uncertain, or cautious
[from Medieval Latin tentātīvus, from Latin tentāre to test]

Thanks for that. :-P

Saved me the trouble of looking it up. Am I the only non-native english speaker who hasn't heard of that word before? And I even had latin at school... :mad:

[Ali Fish]

Thanks for that. :-P

Saved me the trouble of looking it up. Am I the only non-native english speaker who hasn't heard of that word before? And I even had latin at school... :mad:

No Problemo. suggest we put this in everyone sig, that way nobody will forget !

tentative [ˈtɛntətɪv]
adj
1. provisional or experimental; conjectural
2. hesitant, uncertain, or cautious
[from Medieval Latin tentātīvus, from Latin tentāre to test]

[Bakelit]

tentative = something about tentacles?
I'm non english, so I'm entitled to misunderstanding :D

Don't care one jota about stereoscopic 3D thingie (rather have an AI on the level of A2A BoBII) and precise height FM but the rest of the announcement sounds good enough.

Like the new sounds and with some careful tweaking and filling some holes they should be satisfying.

[Mad G]

Thanks, Luthier! Keeping us informed once a week is good for all of us and for your business too!

[Ali Fish]

for me this update means alot. its about a re jig of the architecture the game sits in, this update maybe invislbe to most except in the form of performance, which some already have.... so this patch by my expectations should be about allowing whats still to come to work better and what we have got presently.

im not expecting miracles with this patch, but thereafter i think they might just occur. but after this patch. lol! Tentatively speaking.

[albx]

Great news Luthier, thank you, and thank you again to keep posting :grin:

[Mad G]

Agreed. The sound and the new colors were a major step. If they keep a pace, in 1 year this sim will be impressive.

[conio]

For those who want to see the full images....

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-IuP7Ch1JXX0/TnN2Zb7qJsI/AAAAAAAAAD4/-w7Lq3f7Phk/s144/shot_20110916_170440.png (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-IuP7Ch1JXX0/TnN2Zb7qJsI/AAAAAAAAAD4/-w7Lq3f7Phk/)https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9QdL-mGqhss/TnN2Yikt5fI/AAAAAAAAADw/eg17GaemvaI/s144/shot_20110916_170516.png (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9QdL-mGqhss/TnN2Yikt5fI/AAAAAAAAADw/eg17GaemvaI/)https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-CVnKeJR3d08/TnN2Ynh6O4I/AAAAAAAAAD0/JhvdG4B7p1k/s144/shot_20110916_170623.png (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-CVnKeJR3d08/TnN2Ynh6O4I/AAAAAAAAAD0/JhvdG4B7p1k/)

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-vrHcUDBLLn8/TnN2f3JaWBI/AAAAAAAAAD8/2nGmJIVOAyM/s144/shot_20110916_171358.png (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-vrHcUDBLLn8/TnN2f3JaWBI/AAAAAAAAAD8/2nGmJIVOAyM/)https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-boFUWtOBgBo/TnN2mAmaTpI/AAAAAAAAAEA/M9EgAa0p-4Q/s144/shot_20110916_171522.png (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-boFUWtOBgBo/TnN2mAmaTpI/AAAAAAAAAEA/M9EgAa0p-4Q/)https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-nxYKq6MDi3w/TnN2m3A7a6I/AAAAAAAAAEE/WxLNksQ17v4/s144/shot_20110916_171548.png (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-nxYKq6MDi3w/TnN2m3A7a6I/AAAAAAAAAEE/WxLNksQ17v4/)

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-iOqNL43jEoM/TnN2vg3QEYI/AAAAAAAAAEI/mAY857WJcOs/s144/shot_20110916_171917.png (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-iOqNL43jEoM/TnN2vg3QEYI/AAAAAAAAAEI/mAY857WJcOs/)https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-y0roUvETCz8/TnN22L3Y4dI/AAAAAAAAAEM/xshgUcwOPss/s144/shot_20110916_171941.png (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-y0roUvETCz8/TnN22L3Y4dI/AAAAAAAAAEM/xshgUcwOPss/)https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9jZaU6fkSJ0/TnN22UzJ6ZI/AAAAAAAAAEQ/EWvMp-wP_Tg/s144/shot_20110916_174258.png (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9jZaU6fkSJ0/TnN22UzJ6ZI/AAAAAAAAAEQ/EWvMp-wP_Tg/)

Thank you very much.

I "hot linked" this into Luthier's post I hope you don't mind :)

[Rattlehead]

Ooh! 3D! Nice! Now I just need to buy a monitor to support it. :)

Man, I'm just getting such great vibes about this game lately. Thanks a lot for the continued support with the patches, guys. :grin:

[warbirds]

No, not 3d. How about more important work instead of spending time on a gimick that few have and can use or even care about.

[Dave3317]

My thoughts exactly. What about the comms and weather? We have been waiting for these from the start and still no word when they are going to work. The lack of comms is severely ruining the single player side of this sim.

[Fjordmonkey]

As always, Ilya, you have a wonderful sense of humor in your updates :D

Good to see that there's progression, and looking forward to releaseday! Remember to keep the devs fed and watered, as well, as well as allowing them to sleep. Zombies makes bad programmers :P

[6BL Bird-Dog]

Thanks for the info update luthier.
No 3d Monitor here but I found going crosseyed close to the screen gave me a brief impression of the depth,very nice.:grin:

[IamNotDavid]

No, not 3d. How about more important work instead of spending time on a gimick that few have and can use or even care about.

That isn't how software development works. There is always someone working on new stuff even while "more important" features still haven't been fixed.

[guderian]

thahks for the update luthier...nevertheless i dont agree with spending time in 3d while the game still has more critical issues to be adressed: performance, serious sli/crossfire support, at least one good offline campaing or engine, weather, comms...dont get me wrong... im happy the game and devs are still on but lets finish the esentials and then go for more fancy stuff like 3d.

[Thr0tt]

Yay 3D, that will please .001% of the already niche crowd.

Performance would be nice, or change in GUI something errr useful ?

[senseispcc]

Personally I do not like 3d on a 3d screen so do not care but why not for the people how like it if it does not impede other progress.:cool:

[=XIII=Shea]

Yes we need performance issue addressed ASAP,also luthier can you,s please do something about the ground dust while taking off and landing really slow my computer down like crazy and the stutters still present for me:(

[r0bc]

Appreciate the update but I have no idea how you can justify working on 3D when we can't get multi GPU support and I have 3D and couldn't care less if it ever works with COD.

[Friendly_flyer]

Please for the love of all that is holy note the word “tentatively” in the previous sentence.

Hahahahahahaha :D

[Vengeanze]

Vengeanze, are you reading this line?

Won't stop me. I'll be here next friday with another moscow time thread ya know. ;-)

Btw, do I need glasses now? I look like a trekkie already damnit.

[superman]

stereoscopic 3D is already in a lot of games, old ones too, that are not at all designed to be i stereo. It's just a positive side effect of using a 3d card+ some extras

I tried Richard burns rally and got it working in anaglyph (red/cyan) 3d. (Then i got an headache.:-) )

But the developers of that old game didn't spend one minute to get i working in stereo I would assume, since there was no such technology in 2006. But there's still 3D in it. What's it mean?


I see it as a sign that the developers have got the game working properly :-)

[von Pilsner]

Hi everyone,

Quick status update here.

Thank you all for testing the patch. We are continuing to work on the color scheme. Most of the commonly reported beta patch problems have been addressed, save for a few more complex newly introduced graphical glitches. We’re continuing to improve and expand the new sound.

The live version of the patch is tentatively scheduled for next Friday the 23rd. Please for the love of all that is holy note the word “tentatively” in the previous sentence.

This is good news, thanks for the update. :)

[kakkola]

All i want is performance first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MoGas]

I hope FM`s and DM`s plus game performances, are they number one goals?!

cheers

[IamNotDavid]

I hope FM`s and DM`s plus game performances, are they number one goals?!

cheers

Those issues are probably extremely low on the list of goals for the programmer who is working on the 3D graphics.

[Hunden]

Thanks for the update, keep doing what your doing and pay little to no attention to those who have no real life to speak of.

[SlipBall]

Thank's for the update, and the eye workout:-P

[louisv]

Come on, working on piece of complex software is not like digging a hole..."hey you, you aren't doing anything, grab a shovel"...

Everybody is a specialist, so a coder who works on making the visual system better is no good at 3d modeling and vice-versa.

Is that so hard to understand...

The "I want performance first, drop everything else..." attitude is, I think, coming from very young people.

And thanks for the update, this is going to be so hot !

[KG26_Alpha]

Keep it civil please......


Everytime Luthier posts on here you lot come in and trash it arguing and bitching amongst yourselves and at the developers.

I'm cleaning up this thread, so lets keep it that way please.

Thanks.





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[6BL Bird-Dog]

Thanks for the info update luthier.
No 3d Monitor here but I found going crosseyed close to the screen gave me a brief impression of the depth,very nice.:grin:

So who else tried ?Lol:rolleyes:

[katdogfizzow]

So who else tried ?Lol:rolleyes:

guilty

[skarden]

So who else tried ?Lol:rolleyes:

Yep guilty on that one too :P

Cheers for the updates Big L,it seems like where starting to really get somewhere with the game running and looking great,very much looking forward to the patch going live.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Luthier thanks for the update.

One of the reason I haven't got into any sort of 3D hardware in the past is that there hasn't been any 3D titles that I've been interested in.

This is soon to change I fear!


Cheers!

[adonys]

I have both a 3D LCD at 120Hz abd nvidia 3D glasses.. but those won't work out unless the 3D is a stereoscopic, not an anaglyph one.

And guys, think they are re-coding the rendering engine. making it also output real 3D format is not a so big extra coding (almost close to not extra work at all, if you're aiming for it from the beginning).

[dash2099]

nice! loving this new update - new sounds are amazing.

with those new Sony 3d vr headset's + trackIR this will be some serious next level simming!

i don't think new features and 3d is pulling away from the critical fixes, it means the dev's are fully utilizing their team on this game. besides baseline 3d capability isn't a big game changing re-write these days, you can switch nearly any game to 3d mode using drivers or even directly on the display.

[LcSummers]

Thank you Luthier for keeping informed me/us. ;)

Nice to hear that most of the beta glitches are gone. Really nice news.


S!

[_YoYo_]

3D :eek: ? Firstly, please do antyaliasing and anizo + solve microstuttering of CoD.

[hiro]

sweet thanks for the heads up

yeah its going to be funny, even though its tentatively, people are going to not notice that part.


just keep giving this game some love and it'll all be good!

[sorak]

Thanks for that. :-P

Saved me the trouble of looking it up. Am I the only non-native english speaker who hasn't heard of that word before? And I even had latin at school... :mad:

hehee.. i think Luthier does it on purpose, picking crazy words that also mean "hopefully" just to mess with everyone's mind. 'Hopefully' anyway

[sorak]

nice! loving this new update - new sounds are amazing.

with those new Sony 3d vr headset's + trackIR this will be some serious next level simming!

i don't think new features and 3d is pulling away from the critical fixes, it means the dev's are fully utilizing their team on this game. besides baseline 3d capability isn't a big game changing re-write these days, you can switch nearly any game to 3d mode using drivers or even directly on the display.

lol

[Norseman]

oh my...:shock: whats next..G-force ;-?
Many thanks for the update!!

~S~ :)

[GOZR]

Well SLI and Xfire is needed you can can play on this as well.. It will help a lot the 3D images performance..

[Pluto]

thanks for the news!

3d, hmm ... well, whoever likes it, I dont. (Hope it will be only optional).
Watching movies in cinemas in 3d is not my thing either, I get a headache.
The technology seems not yet well enough developed.

Sorry, dont take it as criticism, I appreciate your efforts to improve the sim but instead of 3d I`d rather like the long ago mentioned moving and changing weather-systems implemented and stutter-free performance.

Anyway, thanks for keeping up the good work.
While waiting for the beta to become final, I play other games like RoF, F.E.A.R., FarCry or NFS-Shift2.
:grin:

[MoGas]

No need to scream off, if some ask for different things! I just asked for FM`s and DM`s plus the game performance because I dont really see a talk about this in the updates. I know that a 3d coder is not a FM coder, and different teams in the devs, work on different parts, anyway....

You get jumbed on, on this forum I never have seen before...:rolleyes:

[Baron]

Performance is fine.


"Please for the love of all that is holy note the word “tentatively” in the previous sentence." LoL.

[MD_Titus]

Cheers for the update luthier, I do like to see a sense of humour still alive and kicking.

3d looks cool, i'm guessing there's not a great deal of work in it if everything is a 3d model anyway, case of adding a camera? Whatever, the more features added to the game the better.

Been back into the game since beta release, really enjoying it.

[MACADEMIC]

nice! loving this new update - new sounds are amazing.

with those new Sony 3d vr headset's + trackIR this will be some serious next level simming!



My thoughts too. I wish Sony would have included a gyroscope and accelerometer in their new HMD so no need for trackIR. And, head:camera movements could be scaled 1:1 - if you want to look over your shoulder, you have to look over your shoulder! This would be amazing. Hopefully in a follow up model.

MAC

[Ze-Jamz]

Performance is fine.
.

No it's not.

Having your FPS slow down to a slide show when you get behind smoke, explosions and dust etc online isn't fine.

The FM's are not fine, thought that bit was obvious..DM needs work but IMO atm isn't essential

[albx]

No it's not.

Having your FPS slow down to a slide show when you get behind smoke, explosions and dust etc online isn't fine.

The FM's are not fine, thought that bit was obvious..DM needs work but IMO atm isn't essential

I agree with you, actually in the beta the FPS are worse, hope they will fix in the final release or this will be basically a step back in my opinion.

[Bloblast]

The instrument panel of the 109 looks red from the outside.
I have that currently also, I hope this will be fixed.

[Baron]

No it's not.

Having your FPS slow down to a slide show when you get behind smoke, explosions and dust etc online isn't fine.

The FM's are not fine, thought that bit was obvious..DM needs work but IMO atm isn't essential


Qick fix, dial down the eye candy (effects is a good start) and turn of dynamic lighting (for example). Just because YOU cant run it on the settings YOU want doesn't mean the performance isn't any good. Iv had good performance myself from day one, without turning much of mind u, and im starting to feel the need to ask u and other in your situation what u are doing wrong. I never deleted any catches, defraged folders and hoopty dooda etc.

Fm not fine? I wouldn't know, iv never flown a WWII bird but please fill me in on the obvious flaws.

Dm not fine? I wouldn't know, iv never shot at a WWII bird but please fill me in on the flaws.


Look, i really don't know what you and others are expecting performance wise from a game this "heavy"? Cant fly through smoke? Turn graphics down or buy a new pc, seriously, is that something new that came just because CloD was released and they are somehow responsible for it? Ever tried original Crysis or Metro maby? Have you posted the same demands on their forums? Sure, they can gain a frame or two here and there (witch btw is more than u can say for Crysis or Metro) but if you are expecting a 50% increase all of a sudden without sacrificing settings your pc cant handle or buy a new pc for that matter, well, then you are dreaming.

You might as well blame your car for getting you a speeding ticket.


Im having lag and freezes on 10 year old games, what makes CloD so special its now unacceptable and more importantly, what is Luthier and team suppose to do about it? CloD works better than ever for a lot of people and constantly spamming the forums of issues you (dont mean just you or just performance) are having like its a general problems wont fix it. Its NOT a general problem.

[Mad G]

3d :eek: ? firstly, please do antyaliasing and anizo + solve microstuttering of cod.


+1000

[von Pilsner]

if you are expecting a 50% increase all of a sudden without sacrificing settings your pc cant handle or buy a new pc for that matter, well, then you are dreaming.

I'm not sure where you get that from what anyone is saying in this thread...

I believe the issue is that the game runs worse (for many of us) with the same graphics settings used before the patch.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Qick fix, dial down the eye candy (effects is a good start) and turn of dynamic lighting (for example). Just because YOU cant run it on the settings YOU want doesn't mean the performance isn't any good. Iv had good performance myself from day one, without turning much of mind u, and im starting to feel the need to ask u and other in your situation what u are doing wrong. I never deleted any catches, defraged folders and hoopty dooda etc.

Fm not fine? I wouldn't know, iv never flown a WWII bird but please fill me in on the obvious flaws.

Dm not fine? I wouldn't know, iv never shot at a WWII bird but please fill me in on the flaws.


Look, i really don't know what you and others are expecting performance wise from a game this "heavy"? Cant fly through smoke? Turn graphics down or buy a new pc, seriously, is that something new that came just because CloD was released and they are somehow responsible for it? Ever tried original Crysis or Metro maby? Have you posted the same demands on their forums? Sure, they can gain a frame or two here and there but if you are expecting a 50% increase all of a sudden without sacrificing settings your pc cant handle or buy a new pc for that matter, well, then you are dreaming.

You might as well blame your car for getting you a speeding ticket.


CloD works better than ever for a lot of people and constantly spamming the forums of issues you are having like its a general problems wont fix it.

+1

I even remember Oleg way back when saying that when the sim gets released even the most powerful PC would only be able to play it on medium settings. We're still on the same generation of CPU's and graphics cards that were around at COD's release.

I'ld say Luthier and team have done wonders to get the performance to the state of the last patch and that's on mid range hardware at that.

Cheers!

[Baron]

I'm not sure where you get that from what anyone is saying in this thread...

I believe the issue is that the game runs worse (for many of us) with the same graphics settings used before the patch.


Many people want new shiny stuff, but they don't want to "pay" for it, is that what u are saying?

Are we going to have this debate again once the dynamic weather is implemented?

[albx]

Qick fix, dial down the eye candy (effects is a good start) and turn of dynamic lighting (for example). Just because YOU cant run it on the settings YOU want doesn't mean the performance isn't any good. Iv had good performance myself from day one, without turning much of mind u, and im starting to feel the need to ask u and other in your situation what u are doing wrong. I never deleted any catches, defraged folders and hoopty dooda etc.

Fm not fine? I wouldn't know, iv never flown a WWII bird but please fill me in on the obvious flaws.

Dm not fine? I wouldn't know, iv never shot at a WWII bird but please fill me in on the flaws.


Look, i really don't know what you and others are expecting performance wise from a game this "heavy"? Cant fly through smoke? Turn graphics down or buy a new pc, seriously, is that something new that came just because CloD was released and they are somehow responsible for it? Ever tried original Crysis or Metro maby? Have you posted the same demands on their forums? Sure, they can gain a frame or two here and there (witch btw is more than u can say for Crysis or Metro) but if you are expecting a 50% increase all of a sudden without sacrificing settings your pc cant handle or buy a new pc for that matter, well, then you are dreaming.

You might as well blame your car for getting you a speeding ticket.


Im having lag and freezes on 10 year old games, what makes CloD so special its now unacceptable and more importantly, what is Luthier and team suppose to do about it? CloD works better than ever for a lot of people and constantly spamming the forums of issues you (dont mean just you or just performance) are having like its a general problems wont fix it.

First of all, why should I turn down my settings if till the official patch (1.02) it run not very bad? Second, with or without the effects the slideshow is still there. Third, the problems are random, now you can have good performances with alot of planes, no stutters and no freezes, a minute later alot of stutters and freezes also if you are alone in the sky, for me this mean the game is still not optimized. Buy another PC? my specs are not so bad, and why the culprit should be the user and not the game? So, you are telling the game runs bad on our system because we are not able to make it run good? great idea...

[Baron]

+1

I even remember Oleg way back when saying that when the sim gets released even the most powerful PC would only be able to play it on medium settings. We're still on the same generation of CPU's and graphics cards that were around at COD's release.

I'ld say Luthier and team have done wonders to get the performance to the state of the last patch and that's on mid range hardware at that.

Cheers!


My thought from the start, never thought it would look that good and play on my old system (todays version of CloD is far better than the release version to). Granted it was a Q9550 and Gtx 470 but it was by no means the most powerful pc available (like Oleg said would be required) when CloD was released and yet i see people with far "worse" systems wondering why the performance is so bad while they at the same time are amazed how good the game looks with dynamic lighting.

[Baron]

First of all, why should I turn down my settings if till the official patch (1.02) it run not very bad? Second, with or without the effects the slideshow is still there. Third, the problems are random, now you can have good performances with alot of planes, no stutters and no freezes, a minute later alot of stutters and freezes also if you are alone in the sky, for me this mean the game is still not optimized. Buy another PC? my specs are not so bad, and why the culprit should be the user and not the game? So, you are telling the game runs bad on our system because we are not able to make it run good? great idea...


What am i suppose to say? A game runs fine for 50% and bad for 50% (random numbers), what conclusion can one make from that? As far as im consened there is only one to be made. Its not like they are selling 2 different versions of the game.

Sry.


Why am i having freezes and lag on 10 year old games and the next guy dont? Games fault? You can stubbornly hold on to "not going to dial down settings because it worked fine on the least version", but does it help you in any way, does it solve the problem?


Anyways, i don't think this discussion is meant for this thread.



Edit: Dont know if u are talking on or offline or both but there is a huge difference.

[SEE]

Sounds very promising - bugs ironed out before official patch is released - takes time and no problem with that!

I would guess Luthier avoids reading the 'up date threads' he posts because of the 'questioniong' this and future updates. Hopefully he, or someone in his team, reads the forum threads regards the issues mentioned and takes note. They are relevant and need to be fixed somewhere down the line.

[pupo162]

What am i suppose to say? A game runs fine for 50% and bad for 50%, what conclusion can one make from that? As far as im consened there is only one to be made.

Sry.


Why am i having freezes and lag on 10 year old games and the next guy dont? Games fault?


Anyways, i don't think this discussion is meant for this thread.



Edit: Dont know if u are talking on or offline or both but there is a huge difference.

PC Configuration

* OPERATING SYSTEM: Windows® 7 / Vista SP2 / Windows XP SP3
* PROCESSOR: Pentium® Dual-Core 2.0GHz or Athlon™ X2 3800+ (Intel Core i5 2.66GHz or AMD Phenom II X4 2.6GHz recommended)
* RAM: 2GB (4GB recommended)
* VIDEO CARD:DirectX® 9.0c compliant, 512Mb Video Card (1GB DirectX® 10 recommended) – See supported List*
* DIRECT X®: DirectX® 9.0c (included on disc)
* DVD-ROM DRIVE: 8X
* SOUND CARD: DirectX 9.0c compatible (… recommended)
* HARD DISK: 10GB
* PERIPHERALS: Mouse, keyboard
* MULTIPLAY: Broadband connection with 128 kbps upstream or faster
* An internet connexion is required to activate the game

im in between minimun and recomended. and the gmae will lag and freeze with low settings.

I have no issues with the game requiring a minimun fo an i9 32gb ram and 5 gtx960 on uber SLI, but that should be said on the box. i baught this game becosue i had the settings to run it.

[Baron]

PC Configuration

* OPERATING SYSTEM: Windows® 7 / Vista SP2 / Windows XP SP3
* PROCESSOR: Pentium® Dual-Core 2.0GHz or Athlon™ X2 3800+ (Intel Core i5 2.66GHz or AMD Phenom II X4 2.6GHz recommended)
* RAM: 2GB (4GB recommended)
* VIDEO CARD:DirectX® 9.0c compliant, 512Mb Video Card (1GB DirectX® 10 recommended) – See supported List*
* DIRECT X®: DirectX® 9.0c (included on disc)
* DVD-ROM DRIVE: 8X
* SOUND CARD: DirectX 9.0c compatible (… recommended)
* HARD DISK: 10GB
* PERIPHERALS: Mouse, keyboard
* MULTIPLAY: Broadband connection with 128 kbps upstream or faster
* An internet connexion is required to activate the game

im in between minimun and recomended. and the gmae will lag and freeze with low settings.

I have no issues with the game requiring a minimun fo an i9 32gb ram and 5 gtx960 on uber SLI, but that should be said on the box. i baught this game becosue i had the settings to run it.

I completely agree with u here and i cant for the life of me understand why those recommendations still stands.

Everyone knows its not even close. At least not minimum requirements.

I would say that their recommended specs is , at best, minimum requirement.






I blame UBI. ;)

[albx]

What am i suppose to say? A game runs fine for 50% and bad for 50% (random numbers), what conclusion can one make from that? As far as im consened there is only one to be made. Its not like they are selling 2 different versions of the game.

Sry.


Why am i having freezes and lag on 10 year old games and the next guy dont? Games fault? You can stubbornly hold on to "not going to dial down settings because it worked fine on the least version", but does it help you in any way, does it solve the problem?


Anyways, i don't think this discussion is meant for this thread.



Edit: Dont know if u are talking on or offline or both but there is a huge difference.

Dialing down the settings don't solve the problems.
Where you got those statistics? anyway, I tested it online and offline, and IMO who say it runs fine haven't properly tested the beta patch, that's all...
You can go on the sukhoi.ru forum, use google translator if you need it, and you'll see how many of the users reports bad performance with this beta. Look again at your statistics Baron...

[pupo162]

I completely agree with u here and i cant for the life of me understand why those recommendations still stands.

Everyone knows its not even close.

becouse it is imposible to switch recommended settings nad minimu nafter going gold.

You just cant sell a product that says "will work with this PC" and 6 months after go "Ooops, we were wrong, it wont work after all".

the only way for MG to clean its name is performance increase, fullfill their indications.

[rakinroll]

Thanks Luthier.

[Doc_uk]

No, not 3d. How about more important work instead of spending time on a gimick that few have and can use or even care about.

or even afford :(

[Chivas]

Thanks for the Update Luthier, but most of the responses indicate why you shouldn't bother letting the community in on future aspects of the sim.

[csThor]

I see the 3D stuff as a byproduct of the general work (or should I say rework ?) of the graphics engine and less as a project in itself. The way I understand the system the 3D effect is generated by the driver of the GFX card so there is not much the coders need to do (apart from adapting the engine to the general requirements).

As for the rest ... waiting is the keyword here. :cool:

[albx]

Thanks for the Update Luthier, but most of the responses indicate why you shouldn't bother letting the community in on future aspects of the sim.

yeah... right now that Ilya started to post again are you trying to stop him? what is your purpose?

[JG52Krupi]

yeah... right now that Ilya started to post again are you trying to stop him? what is your purpose?

He wasn't trying dude, hes just fed up that Luthier has shown off a new capability in this sim and already ppl are moaning about it... I haven't gone 3D yet but whose to say that is not the future of games at least they are catering for ppl that have spent money on this tech.

[albx]

He wasn't trying dude, hes just fed up that Luthier has shown off a new capability in this sim and already ppl are moaning about it... I haven't gone 3D yet but whose to say that is not the future of games at least they are catering for ppl that have spent money on this tech.

I interpreted it differently, but if it is how you say then yes... most people here I think want news about performance increase and bug fixing, they don't care about a future 3D support. :grin:

[Stefem]

Why the hell they saved the screenshot in a sort of "interlaced stereo PNG" that seems impossible to correctly decode instead of using a side-by-side format?

Sad, sad, sad, we have to wait even if we own a stereoscopic 3D system :(

[whoarmongar]

To be honest I dont think performance is an issue anymore, it runs fine on my rig and I would say my rig is pretty much minimum spec for this game.
You have to wonder why some people are having problems especially with much better newer PCs than mine.
Perhaps its the bigger or more is better mentality, ie if you try to run at max settings and superhigh resolutions you can expect problems, also if you of the opinion that "why should i turn settings down just to play this game" you also dont believe you should turn off background processes, clean up and defrag drives and clear out caches.

my rig.

win7 home premium 64bit
X64-based PC
intel Core 2 Quad cpu Q8300 @ 2.50GHz(4CPU)
4 Gig RAM
DX 11
NVIDIA Geforce GTS 250 (1 Gig RAM)
Saitek AV8R joystick
TrackIRv5

As you see its not cutting edge is it !

[Mad G]

To be honest I dont think performance is an issue anymore, it runs fine on my rig and I would say my rig is pretty much minimum spec for this game.
You have to wonder why some people are having problems especially with much better newer PCs than mine.
Perhaps its the bigger or more is better mentality, ie if you try to run at max settings and superhigh resolutions you can expect problems, also if you of the opinion that "why should i turn settings down just to play this game" you also dont believe you should turn off background processes, clean up and defrag drives and clear out caches.

my rig.

win7 home premium 64bit
X64-based PC
intel Core 2 Quad cpu Q8300 @ 2.50GHz(4CPU)
4 Gig RAM
DX 11
NVIDIA Geforce GTS 250 (1 Gig RAM)
Saitek AV8R joystick
TrackIRv5

As you see its not cutting edge is it !


Please, could you post your in game video settings? Thanks,

[Ze-Jamz]

Qick fix, dial down the eye candy (effects is a good start) and turn of dynamic lighting (for example). Just because YOU cant run it on the settings YOU want doesn't mean the performance isn't any good. Iv had good performance myself from day one, without turning much of mind u, and im starting to feel the need to ask u and other in your situation what u are doing wrong. I never deleted any catches, defraged folders and hoopty dooda etc.

Fm not fine? I wouldn't know, iv never flown a WWII bird but please fill me in on the obvious flaws.

Dm not fine? I wouldn't know, iv never shot at a WWII bird but please fill me in on the flaws.


Look, i really don't know what you and others are expecting performance wise from a game this "heavy"? Cant fly through smoke? Turn graphics down or buy a new pc, seriously, is that something new that came just because CloD was released and they are somehow responsible for it? Ever tried original Crysis or Metro maby? Have you posted the same demands on their forums? Sure, they can gain a frame or two here and there (witch btw is more than u can say for Crysis or Metro) but if you are expecting a 50% increase all of a sudden without sacrificing settings your pc cant handle or buy a new pc for that matter, well, then you are dreaming.

You might as well blame your car for getting you a speeding ticket.


Im having lag and freezes on 10 year old games, what makes CloD so special its now unacceptable and more importantly, what is Luthier and team suppose to do about it? CloD works better than ever for a lot of people and constantly spamming the forums of issues you (dont mean just you or just performance) are having like its a general problems wont fix it. Its NOT a general problem.

Dude, what are you going on about..?

This was a Beta being tested Yes? the Beta being tested produced stutters which i never had before in close action situations..im reporting it along with lots of others

Turn eye candy down....erm...NO i dint before theis Beta and im sure not going to because the Beta that created turns into an official release...Do you know how silly that sounds?

The rest youve posted makes no sense to me in sorry.. il sum it up for you though

before BETA that were were TESTING = no stutters at close quarters at MAX settings

After bETA that we were TESTING = Stutters at close quarters at MAX settings..

But I do hear what your trying to imply...I now need to turn GFX settings down because they have now introduced something that will make the game run worse....then include it in a official release

lol nice one

[DickDastardly]

We’ve also been playing with stereoscopic 3D for the game. This is NOT the secret feature everyone’s been emailing me about. Nevertheless, it’s really awesome and it really, well, adds another dimension to the game. Coupled with TrackIR it makes the game absolutely mind-boggling.

This is the best news I've heard for ages -am thrilled you guys are going to fully support stereoscopic 3D. Many years ago (back when nVidia's stereoscopic drivers also supported OpenGL) I loved playing IL2:FB in 3D and it will be great to finally be able to play IL2:COD in the same way.

Can I just make one small request with regard to its implementation? Can you please ensure that the text labels/icons next to other aircraft (which tell you their range etc) are drawn at the same depth as the corresponding aircraft and not at screen depth? (Having these drawn at screen depth was the one flaw in 3D with the earlier IL2 series and was really really distracting as it forces your eyes to continually refocus as you look from the aircraft to the label and back).

Also, is there any chance of seeing some 3D screenshots in the more common .jps format? (I have nVidia 3D Vision glasses and a 3D projector but was unable to view the .png files in 3D).
Many thanks,
DD

P.S. I think this can be viewed as a really positive step even for those who don't yet have 3D compatible setups, as it suggests the team are thinking ahead to a long future for the series. Even if your current TV or monitor doesn't support 3D, the next one you buy almost certainly will and for a series like IL2 to thrive in the long run, 3D support will be essential.

[Absolut]

exellent, thanks for that news and +1 for this 3D performance upgrade idea.
Shure all the haerts from 3D experienced players stoped for a moment.
Myself is flyn Ka50 on stereoscopie, and its the most effective tool, to bring the sim more alive, i ever found !

Respect

[Rodney]

We’ve also been playing with stereoscopic 3D for the game.


You have no idea how happy it makes me to hear that.

it’s really awesome and it really, well, adds another dimension to the game. Coupled with TrackIR it makes the game absolutely mind-boggling.

Yes it is mind boggling, the people who don't have it, especially for this game don't know what they are missing out on.

[Tavingon]

Please make a couple of AI planes flyable soon!

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

Please make a couple of AI planes flyable soon!

Yeah,and make one of them the Wellington;),ok back to the original thread.

[Xilon_x]

please add 2 important italian missing airplane in the BOB scenario CANT1007 and caproni 133.
http://www.constable.ca/caah/cant1007.jpg
http://www.century-of-flight.net/Aviation%20history/airliners/images5/88.jpg

[Helrza]

thanks for the update luthier :) lookin forward to the next patch :)

[skouras]

thats the spirit for the updates:grin:

[David198502]

thx for the update.
its good to be in touch with the devs.
i dont understand why so many people are moaning about the 3d implementation?
im sure the devs are well aware of the other problems, which are obviously more important than this feature.but i dont think that the 3d feature somehow disturbes the developement in the other areas.
will this 3d thing work with every 3d monitor, regardless of the graphix card?

[bongodriver]

Monitor must have a 120hz refresh rate.....standard monitors are 60hz, and the gfx card must support 3d.....as far as I am aware.

[Viking]

Thanks Luthier!
Game runs OK now so you can hold the updates. No more needed!

Regards

Viking

[louisv]

Dude, what are you going on about..?

This was a Beta being tested Yes? the Beta being tested produced stutters which i never had before in close action situations..im reporting it along with lots of others

Turn eye candy down....erm...NO i dint before theis Beta and im sure not going to because the Beta that created turns into an official release...Do you know how silly that sounds?

The rest youve posted makes no sense to me in sorry.. il sum it up for you though

before BETA that were were TESTING = no stutters at close quarters at MAX settings

After bETA that we were TESTING = Stutters at close quarters at MAX settings..

But I do hear what your trying to imply...I now need to turn GFX settings down because they have now introduced something that will make the game run worse....then include it in a official release

lol nice one

Wow...no wonder Luthier doesn't post more often.

[albx]

Wow...no wonder Luthier doesn't post more often.

means that the only things we should post is how good the game runs? no critics are allowed or what? how can you make something better without pointing at the problems? you never did a beta test right?

[robtek]

It's not about the critics that there was a difference, its about the presentation, i believe.
So stop stirring, albx.

[undpilot87]

It's not about the critics that there was a difference, its about the presentation, i believe.
So stop stirring, albx.

I think the critics of the game do help but that the critics voicing their concerns on these forums could do a better job at voicing them politely. Many of these critics tend to be insulting. Give the team time, I am sure that this game will be unlike anything else out there after the kinks are worked out. Everyone needs to be patient. There are a lot of other things people can be doing that is more productive than trolling these forums.

[Ze-Jamz]

Wow...no wonder Luthier doesn't post more often.

Wow, another 'wow' post...Thats really helpful that is..well done

Read between the lines and your see why i posted that... I thankyou

(tut)

[louisv]

means that the only things we should post is how good the game runs? no critics are allowed or what? how can you make something better without pointing at the problems? you never did a beta test right?

Its not about the message but about the way its delivered.

[Rince]

Thanks for the update, luthier!

To be honest I agree withe party thats not really intrested in the 3-D stuff right now, but maby it`ll come LATER!

I hope also that "Thor" is right in posting that its only a side-product in the development of the game and that you and your team are turning all the attention on the really important issues on the game! `cause all we know is, that those visual candies only last for a short time but they`re not making a game better!

Aloha from Hell!

[41Sqn_Stormcrow]

Could we have at least the pilot in cockpit throwing a shadow? I feel a bit like a sort of vampyre that cannot see himself when looking into a mirror when I look to my wing where the shadow of the cockpit is casted but the cockpit is very apparently empty (no shadow of the pilot).

[Jamir]

Nice to hear that there is some 3D future with IL2:CoD. I have been playing with 3D couple years now and can't go back 2D anymore. This is not just some eye candy we are talking here it's added immersion and i as simmer like to get more immersion when ever it's possible. I think most of the movies it's just a gimmick to be honest but for games/simulations it's another story. Sony's soon to be released HMD+TiR+IL2:CoD in S3D could be a dream come true :D

[jcenzano]

SLI please, SLI

[Foo'bar]

Could we have at least the pilot in cockpit throwing a shadow? I feel a bit like a sort of vampyre that cannot see himself when looking into a mirror when I look to my wing where the shadow of the cockpit is casted but the cockpit is very apparently empty (no shadow of the pilot).

Finally all serious bugs have been fixed so we can talk about such stuff, hehe ;)

[KG26_Alpha]

Finally all serious bugs have been fixed so we can talk about such stuff, hehe ;)

Don't worry we will know when this happens as attention will also be directed to flight and damage model whining/bugs.





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[JG52Krupi]

Don't worry we will know when this happens as attention will also be directed to flight and damage model whining/bugs.

In all honesty I only have real performance issues close to the ground and sometimes pauses when I hit the fire button but the fm and dm are slowly creeping towards the top of my list, seriously how hard would it be to just look over the fm at least.

[Blackdog_kt]

I see the 3D stuff as a byproduct of the general work (or should I say rework ?) of the graphics engine and less as a project in itself. The way I understand the system the 3D effect is generated by the driver of the GFX card so there is not much the coders need to do (apart from adapting the engine to the general requirements).

As for the rest ... waiting is the keyword here. :cool:

Pretty much the way i see it. If they have a couple of graphics programmers with spare time and can't use them on something else what are they supposed to do, sit in the office doing nothing? :-P

I don't care much about 3D at this point in time, but as long as it's not to the detriment of everything else i don't mind at all, good for them that they are using some spare work-hours on bonus features.

On a side note, i've been out of town and away from the PC for a couple of days, seems some of us missed the moderating red text :-P
Everyone please play nice and stop attacking people simply for not agreeing with you, or offending posts will start to get moved around to the off-topic section. Nothing personal, just keeping the thread tidy and free of inte-user, 1 on 1 arguments ;)

[skouras]

they can bring coffee to Luthier.........:-P

[ktodack]

So for 3D what kind of monitor and glasses will be needed?

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

I noticed that since the recent Beta patch was applied the British fighters markings have altered and not for the best.

The serial numbers on the Brit fighters are now grey and the tactical markings,ie,squadron markings are now a bright white these are both wrong historically.

I would'nt have brought this to light had the marking colours not been so correct previously,but they were almost perfect,now it seems on this alone the devs have gone backward.

One appreciates this is only a Beta version and that the correct marking colours will be restored on Friday,should we be lucky enough to get the live update.

The correct colours are,all serial numbers in black and majority of tactical markings in a very light grey or off white.

[Jamir]

So for 3D what kind of monitor and glasses will be needed?

Try to find as much information you can, take your time. Worst to Best cap is huge and every tech have their + and -. If you chose wrong you will end up at "it's a gimmick" camp chose right and you will not go back to 2D. I would go DLP projector + 3D vision set at the moment or wait new Sony HMD.

Make sure that TV/monitor/projector that you chose have minimal amount of ghosting, some off it come from glasses but over 95% is from display device. This is number one issue for sure, over time it will start to bother(there are many angry TV set owners for this reason), it will give you headaches, it will make your eyes to fatigue + it just look bad. So look for ghost free.

http://3dvision-blog.com/ this site have many reviews of LCD monitors.

[150GCT_Veltro]

This beta is an important step forward, but do you guys have any news about clouds? I'm not talking about dynamic weather, but properly clouds that are the same from IL2 (placeholders?).

Is there a time line for the sky update?

[robtek]

One thing after the other, i'd say.

Don't put more pressure at the devs, they're working on their own accord, let them fix it right.

[TomcatViP]

This beta is an important step forward, but do you guys have any news about clouds? I'm not talking about dynamic weather, but properly clouds that are the same from IL2 (placeholders?).

Is there a time line for the sky update?

Hummm ... 7 days ? :rolleyes::cool:

[heywooood]

hmmm - same ol' same ol'

Hello Ilya - looks like you have your hands full again...

I have held off purchasing CoD after reading the early reviews and now it looks like a carbon copy of the original Il2's teething pains.

Like that one this sim was rushed, Il2 was too strong for current hardware, patches were needed to dumb it down, some effects had to be removed or reduced, no one was really happy - or rather - each patch angered some and pleased others, until finally the hardware began to catch up and you could begin to unlock and update and make Il2 the way it was supposed to be. This stuff isn't new to anyone who was around when the original was released.

And just like back when, your priorities are never the same as the 'fanbois' priorities. You talk about 3d and they want to know where their Caproni is at already....yikes

This looks identical to that situation, so you have my sincerest sympathy.

I will keep looking in on these boards though - I do plan on buying CoD someday...the screenshots look terrific

[robtek]

You might support the cause NOW and buy a copy, btw it is already tons of fun to play on some servers.

[Ze-Jamz]

hmmm - same ol' same ol'

Hello Ilya - looks like you have your hands full again...

I have held off purchasing CoD after reading the early reviews and now it looks like a carbon copy of the original Il2's teething pains.

Like that one this sim was rushed, Il2 was too strong for current hardware, patches were needed to dumb it down, some effects had to be removed or reduced, no one was really happy - or rather - each patch angered some and pleased others, until finally the hardware began to catch up and you could begin to unlock and update and make Il2 the way it was supposed to be. This stuff isn't new to anyone who was around when the original was released.

And just like back when, your priorities are never the same as the 'fanbois' priorities. You talk about 3d and they want to know where their Caproni is at already....yikes

This looks identical to that situation, so you have my sincerest sympathy.

I will keep looking in on these boards though - I do plan on buying CoD someday...the screenshots look terrific

Im guessing you play Il2 or have played Il2? and have soon forgot about said problems when it was first released because it tuned into a masterpiece?

Be nice if you supported the game now if you intend to play it... as said above game runs fine for most of us..i said 'most' and is enjoyable now even in its current state

[ATAG_Snapper]

hmmm - same ol' same ol'

Hello Ilya - looks like you have your hands full again...

I have held off purchasing CoD after reading the early reviews and now it looks like a carbon copy of the original Il2's teething pains.

Like that one this sim was rushed, Il2 was too strong for current hardware, patches were needed to dumb it down, some effects had to be removed or reduced, no one was really happy - or rather - each patch angered some and pleased others, until finally the hardware began to catch up and you could begin to unlock and update and make Il2 the way it was supposed to be. This stuff isn't new to anyone who was around when the original was released.

And just like back when, your priorities are never the same as the 'fanbois' priorities. You talk about 3d and they want to know where their Caproni is at already....yikes

This looks identical to that situation, so you have my sincerest sympathy.

I will keep looking in on these boards though - I do plan on buying CoD someday...the screenshots look terrific

Yadda, yadda, yadda. Talk is cheap. Buy the game. Join the team and get in on The Big Win. Be a player, not a tire-kicker. "I do plan on....." Yeah, OK. :rolleyes:

[Thr0tt]

The live version of the patch is tentatively scheduled for next Friday the 23rd. Please for the love of all that is holy note the word “tentatively” in the previous sentence.

[Frequent_Flyer]

I hope a release of an official patch, with significant content is released in the very near future. I beleive it would help stimulate on line interest,at present not a very robust following online.

[ATAG_Bliss]

Let's hope for true dedicated server files or some sort of SDK's/manuals. Would help online tremendously.

[mazex]

I hope a release of an official patch, with significant content is released in the very near future. I beleive it would help stimulate on line interest,at present not a very robust following online.

Well, if they really mean that what we got two weeks ago was a beta, then we can not expect the release version to contain more features than the beta (albeit with bugs fixed that where found in the beta) ? Otherwise it was an alpha we got ;)

Mazex

[adonys]

it was always an alpha until now: each "beta" version release we've got was never re-released then as an official release, but was followed up by another version official release (and not only containing fixes, but also new features which were not present in the "beta" release).

which, by the book definition means that all releases we've got are in fact beta ones :)

[Frequent_Flyer]

Based upon the various forums, the majority, myself included beleive the sim in it's present state is a Beta release. I am not certain what your point was?

[ingsoc84]

Based upon the various forums, the majority, myself included beleive the sim in it's present state is a Beta release. I am not certain what your point was?



Agreed..holding off on upgrading my video card until I see what the new releases/patches etc holds..I love the game...its just (still) seems to be early in development.

[Blackdog_kt]

Well, if they really mean that what we got two weeks ago was a beta, then we can not expect the release version to contain more features than the beta (albeit with bugs fixed that where found in the beta) ? Otherwise it was an alpha we got ;)

Mazex

Exactly. If something extra comes along it will probably be some small features or bug corrections that weren't initially mentioned for this patch, but not something radical.

The way it usually goes is:

dev update after an official patch saying what they are working on for the next patch
one or more extra dev updates depending on how long it takes to get a beta ready
beta release and testing
beta bug reporting
correcting beta bugs
official patch release
rinse and repeat


No reason guessing what the patch is going to include, it's mainly what the beta included or was supposed to include (in case of features that needed more work).

Sorry to be a killjoy for some, but let's maintain reasonable expectations to avoid disappointment later on ;)

P.S. SDKs and the like are scheduled for after the main phase of graphics/sound/performance changes are finished, maybe the FM/DM corrections as well, at least that's what Luthier said some time ago.

[ingsoc84]

Ugh, your video card isn't running the game at max settings?



Textures at original..forests low..no grass...and some other items at low...it still look nice..however..when I shoot down a bomber and fly through its smoke trail...the fps goes to 12 or so..not good...my system should run this game smoothly....however...as we know..its still being "optimized"..if the patches dont help..I'll sell my card (three months new) and get a gtx 580 with 3 gigs of vram....Zotec makes one..around 540. I dont know whats new on the horizon for Nvidea.

[Wolf_Rider]

scratchy motion and wot happened to the colour??... it looks worse than before, almost as though a cheap mask (tawny coloured veil) has been introduced over the whole thing.
Cockpit shadows seem to appear to be sharper though :)

[Snakedoktor]

Textures at original..forests low..no grass...and some other items at low...it still look nice..however..when I shoot down a bomber and fly through its smoke trail...the fps goes to 12 or so..not good...my system should run this game smoothly....however...as we know..its still being "optimized"..if the patches dont help..I'll sell my card (three months new) and get a gtx 580 with 3 gigs of vram....Zotec makes one..around 540. I dont know whats new on the horizon for Nvidea.

Tbh that seems very low for a 570. i think you must have a bottleneck somewhere else. I run a 570 that is overclocked (not overvolted) and it runs the game sweet on mostly max settings. In all fairness i have to say that i think the game is progressing well, granted it should not have been released as it was or still is but its heading in the right direction.

[Blackdog_kt]

Textures at original..forests low..no grass...and some other items at low...it still look nice..however..when I shoot down a bomber and fly through its smoke trail...the fps goes to 12 or so..not good...my system should run this game smoothly....however...as we know..its still being "optimized"..if the patches dont help..I'll sell my card (three months new) and get a gtx 580 with 3 gigs of vram....Zotec makes one..around 540. I dont know whats new on the horizon for Nvidea.

Keep your card, drop your textures from original to high and you might even be able to bump something else up. I'm running aa Ati 4890 with 1GB of vRAM (that's 1-2 generations back, equivalent to the GTX 28x series nVidia cards) and i don't have to turn off grass, trees, roads or vsync.

Dropping the texture setting is the first thing to do in case you have problems, it gives the biggest performance boost and there's not much difference between original and high, especially if you consider that with the performance gained you can probably enable a couple of other things that make it look better and still be running higher FPS than before. ;)

[ingsoc84]

Thanks all, will give it a try...I cant see where I would have a bottleneck.I Oc'd my cpu to 3.5..thats just a hair above stock 3.3..got plenty of fast ram...and a decent hard drive I believe..if anyone can think of anything else should be doing...that could be creating a bottleneck..let me know please, I'll drop the textures down to high and see how that plays out for a while...thanks again..I agree..the 570 should be enough to run this game with my cpu/ram etc. I mean...heck, what kind of platform was the system originally built on anyway?

[Snakedoktor]

Thanks all, will give it a try...I cant see where I would have a bottleneck.I Oc'd my cpu to 3.5..thats just a hair above stock 3.3..got plenty of fast ram...and a decent hard drive I believe..if anyone can think of anything else should be doing...that could be creating a bottleneck..let me know please, I'll drop the textures down to high and see how that plays out for a while...thanks again..I agree..the 570 should be enough to run this game with my cpu/ram etc. I mean...heck, what kind of platform was the system originally built on anyway?


I would love to help but i know little about amd cpu's as i have always used intel. I looked at the specs on it and i cant see how it would bottleneck, plenty of cache, six cores..... hmm. try what blackdog was saying first otherwise when i had my Q8200 which i had clocked to 3.15ghz it still bottlenecked my 570. granted you have a better cpu, but use afterburner to check how the gpu usage fluctuates; when i had my bottleneck it would fluctuate between 70-99% like crazy, now with my i-5 it's pretty much a smooth line at 99%. good luck

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

scratchy motion and wot happened to the colour??... it looks worse than before, almost as though a cheap mask (tawny coloured veil) has been introduced over the whole thing.
Cockpit shadows seem to appear to be sharper though :)

Blimey mate,can't believe you think the latest patch has made the colour worse!it's superb,I live in the UK and I can assure you the colours are much more authentic now than the 'Telly Tubby' colours that addorned it before.

But hey,all to their own opinion eh?:confused:

[Wolf_Rider]

yes JRB, each to their own opinion... its gone from "Telly Tubby" to "Telly Tubby" with a tawny veil (sepia) over the whole thing (the darkened trees are better though, as well, the new water/ shoreline treatment and with the brownier water, instead of the bright blue)

[Corrvan]

yes JRB, each to their own opinion... its gone from "Telly Tubby" to "Telly Tubby" with a tawny veil (sepia) over the whole thing (the darkened trees are better though, as well, the new water/ shoreline treatment and with the brownier water, instead of the bright blue)

Actually, my colours are much worse too, water used to look like water, now it looks like a blue sheet, and all my fields look like they are on lowest and are just brown and greenish smudges.

=(

[ingsoc84]

I would love to help but i know little about amd cpu's as i have always used intel. I looked at the specs on it and i cant see how it would bottleneck, plenty of cache, six cores..... hmm. try what blackdog was saying first otherwise when i had my Q8200 which i had clocked to 3.15ghz it still bottlenecked my 570. granted you have a better cpu, but use afterburner to check how the gpu usage fluctuates; when i had my bottleneck it would fluctuate between 70-99% like crazy, now with my i-5 it's pretty much a smooth line at 99%. good luck


Thanks,,is AFTERBURNER an application? and if so..where do I find it? My other games..Crysis 2 with dx11...Red Orchestra heros of stalingrad..all play with all setting fully maxed beautifully...somehow I think its the game itself..but always like checking apps and seeing if there is a problem..thanks much

[ingsoc84]

Found Afterburner...so its basically an overclocking feature for gpus...butI really dont want to "manually" adjust my gpu settings etc...does this program have a "self tune" for the various cards that adjusts the settings..core clock/shader/voltage/fan to a reasonable boost that is safe for the gpu? Just dont want to fry it..thanks..looks like a cool app...just always a bit skittish on overclocking where I fiddle with all the settings the my asus mobo has a nice tool that allows one to manually adjust everything..OR as I have done..I simply dial in the increased cpu from 3.3 to 3.5, and it adjusts everything itself..which..I prefer..as Im just not knowledgable to do it all manually.

[tomandre81]

I got to admit I just leaved cliffs of dover alone for over 1 year now. I bought a new computer a few days ago and tried the latest patch (from this forum), and WOW I got say this is getting somewhere. The sound is awesome and the graphics and gameplay have improved a lot! Now it feels like it should.
The only thing remains is when you get close to the ground the micro stuttering is appearing. Its like lagging and "time-warping". But after a while it gets better. It seems like the problems start when you get closer to the ground and the graphic-engine struggels to get all that information fast out without stuttering.
Well keep up the good work. I am enjoying dogfights now high in the air :)

[Hunden]

[QUOTE] I got to admit I just leaved cliffs of dover alone for over 1 year now.

1 whole year huh?

[albx]

Well, remember, time is relative, so he was moving VERY slow, so our 4 months (I think?) has been 1 year for him! ;)

is him a sloth? :grin:

[Foo'bar]

Finally I've got my new PC last friday, and I must say that I'm very impressed. You must know that this is the first time ever I was running CloD since my old rig didn't even start the sim. And believe me, it was a real pain since I own two copies of CloD since march...

[A.Fokker]

Finally I've got my new PC last friday, and I must say that I'm very impressed. You must know that this is the first time ever I was running CloD since my old rig didn't even start the sim. And believe me, it was a real pain since I own two copies of CloD since march...

Same situation here, and I don't have the Kneten to buy a new rig in the foreseeable future. :( Ah well, by the time I will be able to play CoD, it will be running bug free surely :D

[Skoshi Tiger]

Finally I've got my new PC last friday, and I must say that I'm very impressed. You must know that this is the first time ever I was running CloD since my old rig didn't even start the sim. And believe me, it was a real pain since I own two copies of CloD since march...

Maybe this deserves it's own thread but have you been following the pro/anti debates that have been going on? How does your initial experience with COD match up to with all the hype/sledging that the sims been received since release?

Cheers!

[dflion]

Finally I've got my new PC last friday, and I must say that I'm very impressed. You must know that this is the first time ever I was running CloD since my old rig didn't even start the sim. And believe me, it was a real pain since I own two copies of CloD since march...

I am very glad you have updated your PC Foobar, now you can really see your fantastic steam engines and rolling stock properly in COD. We are all looking forward to see some of your German steam engines and perhaps a few French ones very soon.

DFLion

PS I am still waiting to see the LNER A4?

[Foo'bar]

Maybe this deserves it's own thread but have you been following the pro/anti debates that have been going on? How does your initial experience with COD match up to with all the hype/sledging that the sims been received since release?

Cheers!

Hi Skoshi Tiger,

well, I think my situation is quite different to any other's here around. When I was starting to play the sim for the first time last friday all errors and bugs already have been wiped out so far and I cannot say that playing the sim was a pain. I know that more things will be fixed within the next days (think about the beta patch wich is out since some days).

My feeling is quite good but I know this is what others have been expected since the very first day.

@dflion: perhaps you've been visiting my blog in the last days. I've made a major update to the A4 class and even a new wartime black skin is enroute, more information is available at Foo'blog and Foo'rum. Unfortunately I've no information at the moment about MG's further agenda, so I cannot say when the SNCF (ex prussian G8 ) steamer will face the game.

@A.Fokker: SoW will have a estimated lifetime of about 6 to 7 years ;) so I think you will have a new pc before its end, for shure.

[JVM]

Unfortunately I've no information at the moment about MG's further agenda, so I cannot say when the SNCF (ex prussian G8 ) steamer will face the game.


Maybe when we have a proper network to run them hé hé hé...and some place to put coal into them...so not yet, I do not believe the time is right...Within some months when we may have a look at the map with MG agreement, who knows?

JV

[Foo'bar]

Maybe when we have a proper network to run them hé hé hé...and some place to put coal into them...so not yet, I do not believe the time is right...Within some months when we may have a look at the map with MG agreement, who knows?

JV

Jean-Valéry, I think we need to wait for the SDK.

[JVM]

Indeed...you are absolutely right Peter!

[Tavingon]

Call me daft but has there been a patch since the last beta one?

[nearmiss]

No! We are all waiting.

Beta patches do not appear on Steam, only completed patches is my understanding next release is supposed to be a patch release (not beta) so it should be available on steam.

[Savas]

When will the new patch is expected?
Friday 23th - already over.
At least you would say that I'm sorry guys, the patch is delayed. (say this I found myself too) :)

[Fjordmonkey]

When will the new patch is expected?
Friday 23th - already over.
At least you would say that I'm sorry guys, the patch is delayed. (say this I found myself too) :)

You should read Luthier's post once again...

[Frequent_Flyer]

You should read Luthier's post once again...

It would not take much effort to change the" tenative " date.

[Chivas]

It will stay tenative until they know the date it will be released.

[MD_Titus]

Tentatively pencilled in date, replaced by another tentatively pencilled in date?

[JG14_Jagr]

It will be released when its done. Its BETA for a reason, they need to find issues and fix them. Sometimes when you fix something you find that you broke other things. Patience is a virtue.. just be thankful they didn't give you the "Two Weeks" kiss of death..

[Ze-Jamz]

It will be released when its done. Its BETA for a reason, they need to find issues and fix them. Sometimes when you fix something you find that you broke other things. Patience is a virtue.. just be thankful they didn't give you the "Two Weeks" kiss of death..

Lol..your right there

[Frequent_Flyer]

It will be released when its done. Its BETA for a reason, they need to find issues and fix them. Sometimes when you fix something you find that you broke other things. Patience is a virtue.. just be thankful they didn't give you the "Two Weeks" kiss of death..

The Sim itself is a" Beta "release, as most who own it will atest to.

Virtually no effort is expended to prognosticate another" tenative" target date.However, it does require some managerial input and finess. If you do not assign a drop dead date for any task to be completed ,it is human nature to procrastinate.

[Chivas]

I doubt there is very much procrastination going on the development. What they are doing now will make a huge difference on whether or not they stay in business. Staying in business will mean atleast another ten years of addons and paychecks.

[Frequent_Flyer]

I doubt there is very much procrastination going on the development. What they are doing now will make a huge difference on whether or not they stay in business. Staying in business will mean atleast another ten years of addons and paychecks.

With no evidence to the contray, I doubt they are working very efficiently. Staying in business has more to do with getting the " on line " population increased signifiantly. The folks on the fence in the game. Thre is no where near the interest in COD at this stage in the development vs. IL-2 1946.

Yet it is light years ahead in every meaningful measurement, Damage model, landscape, aircraft modeling , cockpit modeling etc.. From what I can discern an enormous amount of "unimplemented" potential. This is a marketing/public relations function.

[mazex]

It would not take much effort to change the" tenative " date.

Agree on that, obviously Ilya has gotten tired of spending 5 minutes to update this forum once a week as there has been so much whining here whatever he says. I think ditching the Friday updates in a situation like this is a bad business move even though I can understand he's tired of the bunch here. There are just a couple of hundred flight sim nerds here that already bought the game so I guess he has made a decision that weekly updates is not worth it. What they need to survive is the customers that don't know what a forum is - and/or don't care...

[Chivas]

The original series game engine had the luxury of being finished and fine tuned before release. The new series is far more complicated in every way and has taken considerably longer to finish than first imagined. I'm sure there is alot of blame to go around, but when your dealing with something this complicated its very easy to have huge delays with even the most efficient developers.

[csThor]

Well, the past record of meeting "tentative dates" is not spectacular, contrary to the flak Maddox Games got for not meeting those dates. I can understand why Ilya doesn't bother with much setting new dates when it all seems to come down to Murphy's Law every single time.

[mazex]

Well, the past record of meeting "tentative dates" is not spectacular, contrary to the flak Maddox Games got for not meeting those dates. I can understand why Ilya doesn't bother with much setting new dates when it all seems to come down to Murphy's Law every single time.

Yes, but working as a manager in the software development business myself I can tell you that very few companies would accept the constant problems with delivery dates that they have. I guess they really should work on their development methodology, focus on core functionality in iterations where done is done and stop gold plating silly details ;) Easy to say "from the other side of the fence" ;)

[sorak]

Agree on that, obviously Ilya has gotten tired of spending 5 minutes to update this forum once a week as there has been so much whining here whatever he says. I think ditching the Friday updates in a situation like this is a bad business move even though I can understand he's tired of the bunch here. There are just a couple of hundred flight sim nerds here that already bought the game so I guess he has made a decision that weekly updates is not worth it. What they need to survive is the customers that don't know what a forum is - and/or don't care...

Ill never understand people that really act like "forum people" can impact their real life. If you are thinking about what people say on this forum other then when your not on it.. something is wrong

[Frequent_Flyer]

Agree on that, obviously Ilya has gotten tired of spending 5 minutes to update this forum once a week as there has been so much whining here whatever he says. I think ditching the Friday updates in a situation like this is a bad business move even though I can understand he's tired of the bunch here. There are just a couple of hundred flight sim nerds here that already bought the game so I guess he has made a decision that weekly updates is not worth it. What they need to survive is the customers that don't know what a forum is - and/or don't care...

How about a "Friday update " thread that is locked. Show some work in progress a paragragh explaining it and off you go.
No exposure to the goofs on the forum with the untreated or undermedicated personality disorders.

Something to counter balance the prevailing negative aura.

[Blackdog_kt]

How about a "Friday update " thread that is locked. Show some work in progress a paragragh explaining it and off you go.
No exposure to the goofs on the forum with the untreated or undermedicated personality disorders.

Something to counter balance the prevailing negative aura.

That's definitely the kind of thing that will happen pretty soon if a minority of clowns doesn't start minding their manners.

This thread has started going downhill too, i'm tired of doing the same people the courtesy of simply moving their posts to the off topic section only for them to see it as a weakness, so i'm cleaning up the last couple of pages by deleting posts altogether (along with ok posts that reference the offending ones, sorry for the "civilian casualties" but the aim is to clear the thread of any off-topic influences).

Nothing personal, i'm just saying this forum will be maintained in a readable state whether some people want it or not: the majority wants it and it's not within their powers to completely disrupt what the majority wants.

Honorable mentions:

JUICE consider yourself on the ban-wagon.

Gerbil, please tone it down a notch or two.

The rest of the regular folks, carry on as usual ;)

[philip.ed]

Blackdog, can you extend on what you deem manners? For example, a customer who is unsatisfied with the product, or the patch, may use such a thread as this to express their disapointment. Perhaps they appear rude? Will these posts be removed? And, similarly, are posts from users saying they are unhappy with the 3-D development, in this case,(when there are apparently more tangible issues which need improvement) deemed un-tasteful?

I can't stand the arguments which seem to underpin, and then take-over, every update topic, but then again, one can't help but think it's all part of the natural process of game-development. Some will be satisfied with spit-girl, for example, others may not be.

I think you're doing a great job moderating this board (I don't envy you at all) but I can hold my hands up and say that sometimes, before hitting the submit button, I worry whether I am wasting my time. There will always be a group of people who will react vehemetly to certain peoples' postings, whether it's needlessly destructive, or positively critical.

Sorry, I'm thinking aloud! :-P

[Frequent_Flyer]

That's definitely the kind of thing that will happen pretty soon if a minority of clowns doesn't start minding their manners.

This thread has started going downhill too, i'm tired of doing the same people the courtesy of simply moving their posts to the off topic section only for them to see it as a weakness, so i'm cleaning up the last couple of pages by deleting posts altogether (along with ok posts that reference the offending ones, sorry for the "civilian casualties" but the aim is to clear the thread of any off-topic influences).

Nothing personal, i'm just saying this forum will be maintained in a readable state whether some people want it or not: the majority wants it and it's not within their powers to completely disrupt what the majority wants.

Honorable mentions:

JUICE consider yourself on the ban-wagon.

Gerbil, please tone it down a notch or two.

The rest of the regular folks, carry on as usual ;)

I completly understand, thanks for the folow up explanation.

[Gerbil Maximus]

Gerbil, please tone it down a notch or two.


My answer is simply that I'll tell the truth as i see it.
I wont swear and if i have im sorry but i will speak my mind.
I'm Sorry if you dont like it, I'm not saying this to be confrontational of course or to upset the momentum of the thread. I will try to maybe not sound as forceful as i maybe did in my last post.

[MD_Titus]

My answer is simply that I'll tell the truth as i see it.
I wont swear and if i have im sorry but i will speak my mind.
I'm Sorry if you dont like it, I'm not saying this to be confrontational of course or to upset the momentum of the thread. I will try to maybe not sound as forceful as i maybe did in my last post.

start an alternative friday update thread to speak your mind in?

[mazex]

How about a "Friday update " thread that is locked. Show some work in progress a paragragh explaining it and off you go.
No exposure to the goofs on the forum with the untreated or undermedicated personality disorders.

Something to counter balance the prevailing negative aura.

Even though it's going against the fundamental principles of a forum I think that would be better than what we have today. As Ilya doesn't have time to read the 30 page thread that every sentence he writes results in, I guess the best thing would be a locked developer update thread like the old one Oleg had, with no stickied comment thread for each update that Ilya will not have time to read anyway (or he should go with train to work like me where tapatalk on my Android phone is actually better than reading the forum in a regular browser) . Then keep heavily moderated bug reporting thread for each beta/release with detailed instructions about how to report a bug or it will be deleted...

Mazex

[Ali Fish]

i would like to see a friday update thread that is locked. Actually i would like to see all information divulged by any developer Locked and treated as the be all and end of all that is to be said on the matter.

The fact of the matter is that what we discuss thereafter is upsetting for some. frustrating for others, pleasing for many all be it temporarily. just stop it and treat the information with the respect it deserves.

locked threads allow the information to be contained and archived and understood by ourselves more efficiently not to mention delivered in a more professional manner.

[Frequent_Flyer]

A " locked Thread " serves two functions , it may encourage more input from the dev. team and it is a time saver for the folks who want to hop on the forum and quickly check for updates and carry on.

[ATAG_Snapper]

A " locked Thread " serves two functions , it may encourage more input from the dev. team and it is a time saver for the folks who want to hop on the forum and quickly check for updates and carry on.

+1

Well put.

[MIRGERVIN]

can someone tell me when we will be getting this so called patch????????????????????????????

[CWMV]

Nope.

[Chivas]

can someone tell me when we will be getting this so called patch????????????????????????????

They haven't tentatively scheduled a "so called patch", but are working on a patch with much improved sound and terrain palette, which may come out soon.

[Foo'bar]

can someone tell me when we will be getting this so called patch????????????????????????????

After you'll use less question marks. :rolleyes:

[Thr0tt]

Friday Development Update, maybe drop the Friday so the perception of regular updates is removed, that could save some frustration.

[Ze-Jamz]

Dont worry, patch will be out today...be sure

[Pudfark]

I use to think of it as a patch.....?
Now?
More like a blindfold.....:rolleyes:

[JG5_emil]

Dont worry, patch will be out today...be sure

When you say today do you mean today in the future?

[Ze-Jamz]

When you say today do you mean today in the future?

Yea exactly that :)

Il link to this post when it finally comes out

[snwkill]

Yea exactly that :)

Il link to this post when it finally comes out

Tic Toc

[Ze-Jamz]

Tic Toc

Lol..forget the clock mate, your better of getting a calendar :cool: