OT: new World of Planes screenshots

[MACADEMIC]

Hi all,

From the World of Planes website, I don't think Birds of Steel will be much different! Full resolution here:

http://www.worldofplanesgame.com/en/media/screenshots/

MAC

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[Mage_016]

Can you really aim through that scope? :confused: Cool pics Mac...

[olife]

Hi all,

From the World of Planes website, I don't think Birds of Steel will be much different! Full resolution here:

http://www.worldofplanesgame.com/en/media/screenshots/

MAC

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great pics teacher!!!

thanks a lot to share!!

[Robotic Pope]

Can you really aim through that scope? :confused: Cool pics Mac...

Yes, It's used for dive bombing. Hope the game does this properly and you can switch to scope view.

[bobbysocks]

and you actually have hands and feet!!!

[MACADEMIC]

and you actually have hands and feet!!!

Yes, I'm really amazed with that. Apache has that feature and it increases immersion a lot - you feel like you're there!

MAC

[dkwookie]

These look great Mac. Shots 5 and 7 feature the nicest clouds I have ever seen in a flight game

[GabeFan]

Beautiful stuff! I like how you can see the pilot's hands and arms in the cockpit view. I hope "Birds of Steel" is the same way!!

[haitch40]

This is only the start its gamescom next week.

[FOZ_1983]

Beautiful screen shots!! Thanks for sharing.

Roll on the release of this epic title!!

[Slothboy]

I like that the cockpit perspective is set further back. It looks like it will really help visibility.

[alsevillajr]

Will this be available on console???

[bobbysocks]

no, world pf planes is pc/mac only. i think there is going to be a strong resemblance between WoP and BoS. you will of course have more options in WoP that you cant have on consoles...

[Burtonboy05]

and you actually have hands and feet!!!

Yep the first person actor (arms & Legs) looks unreal. I really hope BOS has this as I don't have a rig to run WOP. Just adds a nice touch of realism.

Didn't play Apache but did that have first person actor where you could see your limbs?

If so BOS may well have it too!

[Robotic Pope]

Yes it did. I would actually be very suprised if BoS didn't have a pilot model. What i'm wondering is whether the BoS pilot will have his hands unrealisticly glued to the stick and throttle like in Apache (were HOTAS controls make it ok) Or if the pilot will be able to have both his hands both on the stick and only move to the throttle when you adjust it ( like in motor racing games where the drivers arm moves to change gear)
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ccwh8lLipVM/TNgEOaksMEI/AAAAAAAABZM/8LQPmxsRc4s/s800/Apache%20%20Air%20Assault%20Demo.png

[flynlion]

Yes it did. I would actually be very suprised if BoS didn't have a pilot model. What i'm wondering is whether the BoS pilot will have his hands unrealisticly glued to the stick and throttle like in Apache (were HOTAS controls make it ok) Or if the pilot will be able to have both his hands both on the stick and only move to the throttle when you adjust it ( like in motor racing games where the drivers arm moves to change gear)


In the "real world" pilots very seldom fly with both hands on the stick. It's usually one hand on the stick and the other adjusting the throttle, trim wheels, switches or assorted cockpit gizmos. When its not busy doing something else the "non flying hand" is almost always on the throttle or at least near it.

[CrashLanding]

My computer is too far behind for a quality sim, but I'm hoping this gives us a pretty good idea of what BoS will look like. Aside from some control tweaks and a better online presence, BoP was relatively impressive graphics-wise. After Apache, I expect Gaijin to improve on the engine with BoS.

[Robotic Pope]

In the "real world" pilots very seldom fly with both hands on the stick. It's usually one hand on the stick and the other adjusting the throttle, trim wheels, switches or assorted cockpit gizmos. When its not busy doing something else the "non flying hand" is almost always on the throttle or at least near it.

Maybe while cruising Yes. But these are WWII warbirds in combat, no fly by wire, no hydolics. The stick would become very heavy in a fast manuevers and the pilot would need the strenght of both arms. Thats why most planes had spade/ring strick grips. P-38 even needed a bomber style steering yoke because the control got so heavy in high speed. It would just look a bit silly to only have one hand on the yoke while the pilot desparatly trys to pull his P-38 out of a almost supersonic dive.

[Burtonboy05]

Maybe while cruising Yes. But these are WWII warbirds in combat, no fly by wire, no hydolics. The stick would become very heavy in a fast manuevers and the pilot would need the strenght of both arms. Thats why most planes had spade/ring strick grips. P-38 even needed a bomber style steering yoke because the control got so heavy in high speed. It would just look a bit silly to only have one hand on the yoke while the pilot desparatly trys to pull his P-38 out of a almost supersonic dive.

That is probably true pope. Thanks for the screeny of A:AA - I might have to check that game out. It's dirt cheap too so I might check it for the 360. Is it decent?

[flynlion]

It would just look a bit silly to only have one hand on the yoke while the pilot desparatly trys to pull his P-38 out of a almost supersonic dive.

I think it would look silly to have 2 hands on the yoke when the other hand could be reducing power, pushing the prop controls forward, working the elevator trim or deploying those dive brakes that the P-38 was famous for. I'm not saying pilots don't ever use both hands on the stick, just that it's very rare, even in combat. Flying has never been about brute force:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZBcapxGHjE

OK, so I know that pulling G in combat isn't the same as the silky smooth loops and rolls that Bob Hoover flys in his air show. I just think this is a graet video and couldn't resist posting it :P

[MACADEMIC]

Maybe while cruising Yes. But these are WWII warbirds in combat, no fly by wire, no hydolics. The stick would become very heavy in a fast manuevers and the pilot would need the strenght of both arms. Thats why most planes had spade/ring strick grips. P-38 even needed a bomber style steering yoke because the control got so heavy in high speed. It would just look a bit silly to only have one hand on the yoke while the pilot desparatly trys to pull his P-38 out of a almost supersonic dive.

Hi RP,

I've once had the chance to sit in a Spitfire MK V cockpit at the Malta Aviation museum. The restorator of the airplane explained to me the reason for the ring formed yoke in the Spit as this: if you got wounded on your hand you could still stick your lower arm into the hole and maneuver, which would be nearly impossible if you'd have a stick.

I'm no military pilot but to me it also makes more sense that the pilot would have one hand on the flight stick and the other on the throttle during a dogfight. The exception could be when pulling out of a high speed dive where you could set the throttle to idle and use both hands to fight the high control forces. Otherwise you'd want to leave your hand on the throttle since you could be too slow to reach them with high G-forces applied, and you'd want to be able to react very quickly to set the power you need in any situation. I'd also expect a trained pilot to have sufficient muscle in his right arm to handle the control forces in most maneuvers.

MAC

[Gilly]

I think with modern aircraft assists do allow you to fly one handed although just like when I used to race cars whilst I could in theory steer with one hand I always had both for precision control. Back in the day I believe they would fly one handed whilst relaxed and then as has been stated under load or stressful situations two hands were used except where throttle adjustments where needed. Maybe need Chowbirds take as he's our resident commercial flyer- do you fly one arm on the yoke and the other on the side of the window???

That all said these guys seem to be one handed flyers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32JJmvRxabo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Davedog74]

ive read that a spit was flown two handed,because of air compression,the faster you go the stiffer the controls . modern planes have hydraulics

[McQ59]

This may be an odd comment, but the A340 "Airbus" is flown by a joystick. Much similar to the Thrustmaster :-)

[Robotic Pope]

This may be an odd comment, but the A340 "Airbus" is flown by a joystick. Much similar to the Thrustmaster :-)

Not only that, its a sidestick and the captain has to fly lefthanded.


I think it would look silly to have 2 hands on the yoke when the other hand could be reducing power, pushing the prop controls forward, working the elevator trim or deploying those dive brakes that the P-38 was famous for. I'm not saying pilots don't ever use both hands on the stick, just that it's very rare, even in combat. Flying has never been about brute force:

You didn't read my previous post saying the left hand should be moveable just like in racing car games when you change gear in a stick shift car.
Where you are getting your information about it being rare for WWII pilots to use both hands on the stick even in combat? Because that is nonsense. Pilots often needed brute force at high speeds. It is not compareable with modern day piloting.

[Burtonboy05]

Awesome video and thanks for posting.

Is that the old twin aerocommander plane?

[flynlion]

Ok Pope, maybe I came on too strong here. Yes it would be pretty cool for a video game to have the pilot move his hands around in the cockpit. I just think it would be more realistic if his hands spent most of the time on throttle and stick and very little time with both hands on the stick. Where do I get that idea? I’m an ATP with over 12,000 flight hours, and less than half of that time is in modern jets with boosted controls. Pilots who fly with both hands are called “ham fisted” and seldom even get to solo, let alone move on to fighters LoL

Every airline captain flies left handed, not just on the ‘Bus, so he can get to the throttle quadrant which is between the 2 seats. Flying left handed is something you learn when you upgrade from the right seat to the left. With most airlines a captain is required to pass a "right seat checkout" every so often, just in case the company needs him to fly as an FO. This is all too common when the airlines are furloughing, and switching sides like that can make for some interesting trips.

Thanks for the Red Bull video Gilly. I seldom watch those races because I can’t stand the idiot commentary that is normally associated with televised sporting events, at least here in the states, but some of those YouTube clips are rather enjoyable. I was surprised that he carries so much instrumentation since it’s strictly a VFR kind of flying and all those G forces are very hard on flight instruments, but like he said that stuff is mostly for ferrying the plane from race to race. I do kinda wonder how often they need to replace those very expensive gauges?

Glad you like the video BurtonBoy. You’re correct about Bob Hoover’s plane, it’s an Aero Commander Shrike. I’ve got about 300 hours in one but of coarse I never flew it near as well as Bob :-P I did roll it once or twice (don’t tell my boss). It does not have boosted controls.

[Robotic Pope]

Ok Pope, maybe I came on too strong here. Yes it would be pretty cool for a video game to have the pilot move his hands around in the cockpit. I just think it would be more realistic if his hands spent most of the time on throttle and stick and very little time with both hands on the stick. Where do I get that idea? I’m an ATP with over 12,000 flight hours, and less than half of that time is in modern jets with boosted controls. Pilots who fly with both hands are called “ham fisted” and seldom even get to solo, let alone move on to fighters LoL

Every airline captain flies left handed, not just on the ‘Bus, so he can get to the throttle quadrant which is between the 2 seats. Flying left handed is something you learn when you upgrade from the right seat to the left. With most airlines a captain is required to pass a "right seat checkout" every so often, just in case the company needs him to fly as an FO. This is all too common when the airlines are furloughing, and switching sides like that can make for some interesting trips.



No Worries :)

Thats interesting about the captain flying left handed, but don't most airliners have steering yokes, so it can't be that much difference switching sides of the cockpit right? , I would think it would be like driving a foreign car with the steering wheel on the other side than you are used to. I guess in a light plane you just worry about accidently opening the door when automaticly reaching for the throttle lol.

I still believe that warbird pilots mostly flew hands on stick, especialy in combat. Just like a rally driver has both hands on the wheel as much as posible and has the gear shifter placed as close as posible to the wheel.

[flynlion]

I still believe that warbird pilots mostly flew hands on stick, especialy in combat. Just like a rally driver has both hands on the wheel as much as posible and has the gear shifter placed as close as posible to the wheel.

Nope, an airplane is not a rally car. A rally car controls throttle with his feet and doesn't bank or pull G. Flying combat with your hand away from the throttle would be like racing a rally car with your feet off the pedals. One of the students where I fly on weekends is a BMW racing school instuctor and he's a terrible pilot, for a long time we were wondering if he would ever solo. He's a nice guy though and I sure hope he doesn't read this forum :-P

[winny]

This guy is clearly flying with one hand on the yoke..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2MRxmfoeWE

However RAF pilots were advised to use 2 hands when firing, to brace, mainly.

I've read one account where the pilot of a Spitfire put both feet on the instrument panel and 2 hands on the stick to get out of a dive... That would be a cool animation.. Desperation mode!

I think the basic answer is they used 2 hands only if they needed to. I don't think you'd abandon the throttle in combat unless you had to. (I can't think why, all spitfire pilots say that you only had to twitch your hand and the aircraft twitched too, a very responsive aircraft).
The only time Spitfires stiffened up was at very high speed.
Fact is you'd pass out from the G before you ever needed 2 hands because a Spitfire got 'heavy'.

I've got 100's of RAF pilots BoB accounts and there is reference to throttle adjustments, turning the sights on, adjusting the sights etc, all during combat. The only time I see any reference to stiff controls is when the Aircraft was up near 400mph.

[Robotic Pope]

urmmm winny??? I think its pretty clear that you can't see that guys hands. But I agree with what you wrote. This could be true about the spitfire and other lighter fighters

but I was originally talking about the P-38. I watched an episode of Showdown-Air combat about Richard Bong and the P-38 driver every time he was shown flying had both hands on the yoke.

[flynlion]

urmmm winny??? I think its pretty clear that you can't see that guys hands. But I agree with what you wrote. This could be true about the spitfire and other lighter fighters

but I was originally talking about the P-38. I watched an episode of Showdown-Air combat about Richard Bong and the P-38 driver every time he was shown flying had both hands on the yoke.

I'm not really sure why the P-38 had a yoke, I personally get much better leverage with a stick. Most larger long distance type planes have a yoke because it's easier to read a map or copy an ATC clearance without a stick coming up between your legs (that sounds wierd). It's easier to fly one handed with a stick, and I suspect that many people who put 2 hands on a yoke wouldn't need to if they flew stick. And don't forget, that TV show you saw about the great Richard Bong was just that, a TV show. I also notice that you used the word "driver", and not "pilot". Drivers use 2 hands, pilots fly with one :-P

[Robotic Pope]

I'm not really sure why the P-38 had a yoke, I personally get much better leverage with a stick. Most larger long distance type planes have a yoke because it's easier to read a map or copy an ATC clearance without a stick coming up between your legs (that sounds wierd). It's easier to fly one handed with a stick, and I suspect that many people who put 2 hands on a yoke wouldn't need to if they flew stick. And don't forget, that TV show you saw about the great Richard Bong was just that, a TV show. I also notice that you used the word "driver", and not "pilot". Drivers use 2 hands, pilots fly with one :-P

Driver is what the host of that show Paul "Max" Moga says. I think he even says he 'drives' an F-22.

[winny]

urmmm winny??? I think its pretty clear that you can't see that guys hands. But I agree with what you wrote. This could be true about the spitfire and other lighter fighters

but I was originally talking about the P-38. I watched an episode of Showdown-Air combat about Richard Bong and the P-38 driver every time he was shown flying had both hands on the yoke.

You can tell that his right arm is forwards and his left isn't from his shoulders. He also waves at one point, and his arm comes from the side not in front.

P-38 was a big Aircraft, maybe heavier..?

Also, the reason British Aircraft had a spade grip was so that they could use 2 hands, so it was obviously thought that 2 hands may be needed at times.

I still don't think you'd sacrifice a such an important control as the throttle unless you had to. To be not on the throttle in combat would be dangerous, getting from stick to throtle under high G can't be easy and, there's a delay.

Also if you're using 2 hands because it's heavy then when you let go, to go to the throttle, you're gonna invoulantarliy lose control, like I already said, it makes no tactical, or physical sense to believe that, as you said, "warbird pilots mostly flew hands on stick, especialy in combat."

[flynlion]

Driver is what the host of that show Paul "Max" Moga says. I think he even says he 'drives' an F-22.

Ha! Yeah, you're right, I think I did see that show. Gotta love Max. Air force fighter guys do say driver a lot for some reason, you can always tell when you share a cockpit with one :cool:

[flynlion]

I should also point out that the main reason for keeping your hand on the throttle is not so much to make rapid throttle changes during combat, but to prevent it from "creeping back" under all the high G and vibration. In the real world combat flying is mostly done at full power. If you need to slow down it's usually better to pull a bit more G and trade speed for altitude or a tighter turn than to reduce throttle. This is one area wher BoP is less realistic than I would like, but it's still a great game :-P

[Robotic Pope]

You can tell that his right arm is forwards and his left isn't from his shoulders. He also waves at one point, and his arm comes from the side not in front.

P-38 was a big Aircraft, maybe heavier..?

Also, the reason British Aircraft had a spade grip was so that they could use 2 hands, so it was obviously thought that 2 hands may be needed at times.

I still don't think you'd sacrifice a such an important control as the throttle unless you had to. To be not on the throttle in combat would be dangerous, getting from stick to throtle under high G can't be easy and, there's a delay.

Also if you're using 2 hands because it's heavy then when you let go, to go to the throttle, you're gonna invoulantarliy lose control, like I already said, it makes no tactical, or physical sense to believe that, as you said, "warbird pilots mostly flew hands on stick, especialy in combat."

Just realised that the Paths of hate trailer perfectly shows how I imagine a dogfight inside the cockpit. Watch how the pilots use both hands on the stick, the spitfire guy swiching hands to look over his right shoulder. I'm assuming the creator of this film did his research of course.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZn65LA2w90

[flynlion]

Great video Pope thanks for sharing, but if realism is what you're after why not check out some of Gilly's Red Bull clips or some other actual in cockpit footage? It's still the same sky as 1940 and not every dogfight happened at Mach buffet.

[MACADEMIC]

Okay guys, stop beating a dead horse ;)

Here's some fresh, unexpected news, and on topic.
Looks like the Korean theatre is included in World of Planes.

Some new screenshots were released on the World of Planes (http://www.worldofplanesgame.com) website today.

MAC

http://www.worldofplanesgame.com/upload/image/media/screenshots/shot%202011.09.02%2022.11.33.jpg

http://www.worldofplanesgame.com/upload/image/media/screenshots/shot%202011.09.02%2022.18.57.jpg

http://www.worldofplanesgame.com/upload/image/media/screenshots/shot%202011.09.02%2022.23.14.jpg

http://www.worldofplanesgame.com/upload/image/media/screenshots/shot%202011.09.02%2023.22.55.jpg

[winny]

I'm assuming the creator of this film did his research of course.


Judging by the trailer I'd say realism wasn't high on his list of priorities..

@MAC, Nice.

[Davedog74]

**i got this from an aircraft performance site,talking about flight testing a p47
**** **Maneuvrability ****** No acrobatics were tried but rolling into turns and changing directions is very easily accomplished because of very light aileron forces. Rudder and elevator have somewhat heavier forces but not objectionably so. The radius of turn is large and the stick forces become very heavy in a turn requiring both hands on the stick. ****** The water control switch is objectionable because it must be held "on" by the pilot. This occupies the pilot's left hand and he cannot trim the plane or use both hands on the stick which is necessary to make a tight turn. ****** G. **Stalling Characteristics ****** There is sufficient warning to the pilot of a stall. Slight buffeting of elevators can be felt in the stick, especially with cowl flaps open. Landing is not recommended with cowl flaps open because of false warning of stall and buffeting of elevator. Another warning of a stall is a jerking of the stick to the left. It will snatch the stick from the pilot's hand if he is holding it losely. The stall is normal and the nose falls straight forward and normal recovery is easy. ****i
then add the chance of a bullet going through control surfaces,and a chance of a deflection shot on a passing aircraft,surely two hands on stick during combat ,
but could be wrong,im not a ww2 fighter pilot

[winny]

BoB RAF Pilot Geoff Page (Spitfire)

"Fear became blind terror, than agonized horror as the bare skin of my hands gripping the throttle and control column shrivelled up like burnt parchment under the intensity of the blast furnace temperature. Screaming at the top of my voice, I threw my head back to keep it away from the searing flames. Instinctively the tortured right hand groped for the release pin. Fresh air suddenly flowed across my burning face. I tumbled. Sky, sea, sky, over and over as a clearing brain issued instructions to outflung limbs".

RAF Pilot Officer John Beard (Hurricane)

"The squadron leader's voice came through the earphones, giving tactical orders. We swung round in a great circle to attack on their beam-into the thick of them. Then, on the order, down we went. I took my hand from the throttle lever so as to get both hands on the stick, and my thumb played neatly across the gun button. You have to steady a fighter just as you have to steady a rifle before you fire it".

Lyle Shelton - Warbird owner (P-51d)

"At the top end, it gets to be a two-handed affair. If you use one hand, the controls get pretty stiff. At Reno, there are some times and places I’m using two hands on the stick. If you’re running a 450 mph race at Reno, one hand is ok. But you get up around 480, now you’re talking two hands on the stick to control the airplane. Then the throttle is always wanting to vibrate back, so you’ve got these various little elementary things going wrong. A lot of times at Reno, I’ve had the guys working on the throttle quadrant friction so that the damn throttle will stay where I put it, which is, in the final Gold race, all the way forward. You get to 480, 490, yeah, both hands - two hands. It'd be a pretty good aerobatic airplane. I’ve done aerobatics in it years ago. I did about three airshows in it; I had an aerobatic waiver. It basically is not a stable airplane: it's kind of like it looks - it's short and fast and wobbly and not very stable. But it handles okay".

I do also know that some British aces liked to push the throttle through the gate and leave it there, using 2 hands to shoot..

Like I said earlier, it would seem that 2 hands were used when shooting and when needed due to high speed and it seems to vary between pilots and aircraft.

For the purposes of the game they have to animate it with hand on throttle because if you change the setting it has to happen real time.

[Robotic Pope]

Judging by the trailer I'd say realism wasn't high on his list of priorities..

@MAC, Nice.

Haha yeah I know right. The fact that its a Spitfire mkVIII up against a Me109E is just plain wrong and later in the film you see both planes have a ammo counter which neither had in reality, although this is probably a neicesity for the film to tell the viewers what is happening without using words. But inside the cockpit the pilots are very believable. There is panic and fear, fight or flight stuff.

Thanks for the intersting info from those pilots winny, and Davedog. I think we will all agree that a WWII pilot would need two movable hands to be in different places at certain times. It would be amazing if BoS and WoPlanes could have pilots with movable hands to do all the controlls around the cockpit but i'm certain that is asking way too much. HOTAS is probably how it will be but i'm sure it will still look great.

On topic now,
Those new Korean war WoPlanes pics. They are beutiful!

[flynlion]

Interesting combat reports, sounds like some of these guys coulda used a third hand (or an FO :P) An old Wildcat pilot once told me about the landing gear, how you had to rotate a hand crank something like 25 times to bring the gear up. If your hand slipped it would just spin back down, possibly bashing your hand in the proccess. Pretty heavy workload in some of these old birds.


Okay guys, stop beating a dead horse ;)

Sorry for the threadjack Mac, guess I've had too much free time lately. I do like that cockpit shot of the MiG :cool:

[winny]

Interesting combat reports, sounds like some of these guys coulda used a third hand (or an FO :P) An old Wildcat pilot once told me about the landing gear, how you had to rotate a hand crank something like 25 times to bring the gear up. If your hand slipped it would just spin back down, possibly bashing your hand in the proccess. Pretty heavy workload in some of these old birds.




Sorry for the threadjack Mac, guess I've had too much free time lately. I do like that cockpit shot of the MiG :cool:

They had a similar thing in the Spit MkI, seen a few quotes where the pilots could tell who was new by how much they bobbed up and down just after take off because they were pumping away at the hand crank for the gear. They called it 'porpoising' after the way porpoises swim.

[trk29]

I hope I can run this on my iMac, hell I'm excited it's even being made on that OS, wish more devs weren't so shy.

[bobbysocks]

I'm not really sure why the P-38 had a yoke.....

IIRC all multi-engine ac had yokes and SE ac had sticks. i could be wrong but that is what i remember.

Mac...those are awesome shots. love the cockpit view. its got a lot of visibility and seems to be positioned well for a dogfight

[bobbysocks]

and a new trailer.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VTazV7Mizg&feature=player_embedded

[Robotic Pope]

IIRC all multi-engine ac had yokes and SE ac had sticks. i could be wrong but that is what i remember.



The Bf110 had a stick and so did the Fighter & NF versions of the Mosquito.

Great new trailer! That I-16 blows up in a rather hilarious way.

[bobbysocks]

sorry, pope, i didnt clarify...i was strictly talking about US ac being fitted like this. and still could be wrong...lol

[Robotic Pope]

sorry, pope, i didnt clarify...i was strictly talking about US ac being fitted like this. and still could be wrong...lol

Twin Mustang :-P

[bobbysocks]

haha...yep guess so.

[flynlion]

Love the new trailer Bobby, thanks for sharing. If the gameplay is anywhere near as good as the visuals, then we'll surely have a winner :grin:

Wow, I just stayed on topic for an entire post! I never did that before.

[MACADEMIC]

Lol Flylion!

:grin:

MAC

[vdomini]

I do have recieved a mail from gaijin giving me some link to download the real time world of planes game benchmark... does anyone launched it already?

[MACADEMIC]

Yep, it's nice...

MAC

[U2RATTLEHUM]

Simply, Sweeeeeet! Thanks great pics my friend.