Rioting in the UK

[FOZ_1983]

Its disgusting.

Looting and destroying small businesses and ruining everything...

For what cause?? A pair of trainers or just to cause trouble.



Makes me sick, i feel ashamed to be English right now. Absolutely ashamed.

What a bad few days for this country :(

[Shadowcorp]

Agreed the rioting is disgusting, especially in the way the rioters seem to be targeting small businesses (or so we're told) rather than larger multinationals that can handle the insurance claims, but it's easy to see that britians 18 to 25 year old have been badly affected by this conservative government.
Has anyone else noticed most of great britians rioting happens under conservative governments

[Robotic Pope]

Its disgusting.

Looting and destroying small businesses and ruining everything...

For what cause?? A pair of trainers or just to cause trouble.



Makes me sick, i feel ashamed to be English right now. Absolutely ashamed.

What a bad few days for this country :(

Its terrible. But you should not feel ashamed to be English because of a few mindless thugs out of the tens of millions of law abiding citizens.
I'm proud to be English and British. Our Police will not stop until they catch these criminals and they are punished. This is a wake up call and I'm thinking this will lead to a bigger punishment for anti social behaveor in future.

[dkwookie]

Manchester city centre is going up tonight. Looting and petrol bombs down the main street.

They should clear all the police out and strafe these scum with a tornado

[olife]

Its disgusting.

Looting and destroying small businesses and ruining everything...

For what cause?? A pair of trainers or just to cause trouble.



Makes me sick, i feel ashamed to be English right now. Absolutely ashamed.

What a bad few days for this country :(

hello bro!

yes a bad news ,i just saw it in the french tv news.
why destoyed all?i don't understand...maybe i can understand a poor guys who steal a piece of meat because he is hungry or his kids had nothing to eat but put the fire eveywhere and break everything!!!it is stupid !!

hope it will be better in your country very soon
courage.

sincerely
olife

[flynlion]

Crazy. I had no idea things were getting so bad over there. What are people so mad about?

Stay safe guys.

[bobbysocks]

truly sorry to hear about your problems boys. what sparked this off? whatever it is i hope it does out quickly. we get the same thing this side of the pond on occasion. never pleasant...hope it ends very quickly without too much damage or injury.

[Shadowcorp]

Theres two sort of people rioting it would appear all in the same age bracket 18-25, this age bracket in terms of university education and welfare state have been the hardest hit by recent conservative government policies, you get those rioting in a legit protest sense and those criminal opportunists who are taking advantege of the situation and carrying out the looting and destruction, to me it's not much of a suprise i expected some riots during this governments term, especially with the financial crisis as a back drop. It's no excuse in my opinion there are ways to get things done with more decorum

[Robotic Pope]

Theres two sort of people rioting it would appear all in the same age bracket 18-25, this age bracket in terms of university education and welfare state have been the hardest hit by recent conservative government policies, you get those rioting in a legit protest sense and those criminal opportunists who are taking advantege of the situation and carrying out the looting and destruction, to me it's not much of a suprise i expected some riots during this governments term, especially with the financial crisis as a back drop. It's no excuse in my opinion there are ways to get things done with more decorum

I disagree. This has nothing to do with the politics. There are no protestors. These gangs of teenagers do not care about such things. This is mindless destuction, rioting for the adrenalin rush and because they think it makes them "Hard".

[dkwookie]

Note on the door of Subway sandwich shop in Manchester city center:

[winny]

This is not political, it's social. And it's the next level in consumerism.. "F**k it, let's just take it"

This is what happens when kids grow up with no concept of either consequence or respect and are constantly bombarded with ads for a lifestyle they can never have. It's still inexcusable.

Somebody needs to start a facebook group for the men of this country to stand up to the boys, what that lot need is the kicking of thier lives..

Couple of thousand men per city should do.. These kids need to be put back into place.

Ghettos...? F**k Off in your £90 trainers... dicks.

Having said that, let's hope they burn down Manchester Arndale, the cold dead heart of Manchester would not be missed.

[Shadowcorp]

I completley agree with all said, my own statements were my atempt at devils advocate. though i still blame the conservative mainly because i think they will cause riots legitimate one in the near future.

[FOZ_1983]

Its getting ridiculous now, people are rioting and looting all over the country and they don't even know why!! They just want to cause trouble.

Did anyone see the response that young chav gave sky newswhen asked why they were doing it? He replied -

We just wanna piss the police off.


Things are getting out of hand, if this carries on then people are going to lose faith in the police and take the law into their own hands.

This whole situation is embarrasing for our country.


The rioting hasn't quite hit my town yet, though theirs small pockets of youths etc causing trouble. Lets see how the next couple of nights go for us all. For anyone who's in a town/city that has violence then my heart goes out to you. Hope you and your families are ok.

[MATTXYO]

The violence and looting is just down the road from me in Manchester, local clowns destroying their local shops. Also i heard tonight football firms are getting ready to sort things out, due to the fact that football fixtures are being affected by the riots.

[bobbysocks]

i dont know about over there but even in the big cities here when it gets to that point the police are so out numbered they become ineffectual. i saw online where the price aluminum baseball bats on amazon over there went up 6000%.... sounds like its time to declare martial law and bring in the troops....the boys in green until everything cools down.

[hurricane]

I hope things calm down soon but more importantly i hope my "english buddies "are safe.

[Robotic Pope]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2024284/UK-riots-2011-Liberal-dogma-spawned-generation-brutalised-youths.html

[Robotic Pope]

i dont know about over there but even in the big cities here when it gets to that point the police are so out numbered they become ineffectual. i saw online where the price aluminum baseball bats on amazon over there went up 6000%.... sounds like its time to declare martial law and bring in the troops....the boys in green until everything cools down.

:eek: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Amazon-Armory/lm/R2DZ66YVW5RVLV/ref=cm_lmt_dtpa_f_1_rdssss0

[bobbysocks]

ooops my bad. SALES up not price.....that's the trouble when you try to do 5 things at once. :rolleyes:

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/195151/20110809/london-riots-uk-riots-2011-sales-baseball-bat-amazon.htm

[Gilly]

There's not many times I truly hang my head in shame but this is one of them. To what end does any of this 'help' our society. It's about time we put our 'political correctness' to one side and started to come down hard on anti-social behaviour. Sadly we have become a roll over and take it nation where morals and integrity seem to have totally vanished. The cult of personality seems to have become the norm with young people having 'role models' such as Jordan and Rooney. I've still yet to hear any form of justification for it that doesnt include the words 'innit, like, sick and it was great man'. We sadly have spawned a generation of amoral, uneducated, welfare dependent, brutalised youngsters who without any form of moral compass have no shame or guilt for what they are doing. Watching BBC's Newsnight I watched with mouth open when a group of 'youths' were 'bigging' up what they had done in tottenham yet in the same breath were then wanting to know how they would get their Giros that week because 'da post office burned down and that'.
And as much as it's unlikely that the trouble will reach my quiet corner of the country (what they going to loot- sheep, pastures?) they better come prepared to my house as it's already close to the glorious 12th and Ive adopted
their attitude and may well mistake some sh1tty little peasants for the game bird of a similar name. I know at the minute which I'd prefer to shoot at.

Edit: strangely this no longer seems like a good japanese film but a policy we should adopt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOCzcqKkFbE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[dkwookie]

This is not political, it's social. And it's the next level in consumerism.. "F**k it, let's just take it"

This is what happens when kids grow up with no concept of either consequence or respect and are constantly bombarded with ads for a lifestyle they can never have. It's still inexcusable.
Somebody needs to start a facebook group for the men of this country to stand up to the boys, what that lot need is the kicking of thier lives..
Couple of thousand men per city should do.. These kids need to be put back into place.

Ghettos...? F**k Off in your £90 trainers... dicks.

Having said that, let's hope they burn down Manchester Arndale, the cold dead heart of Manchester would not be missed.

Don't agree with you about the Arndale Winny. Trafford Center yes but not the Ardale. Since the bomb it's a much nicer shopping precinct.

As for getting a group together to confront these idiots I am 100% with you on that. These scum are attacking my city then we should have the right to defend it. These criminals are not Mancunians or even British citizens in my eyes. Performing this kind of anti social damage has revoked their right to live in this country and sponge benefits from our taxes.
I would say deport them but I wouldn't wish them on any other country. Maybe Antarctica though

[irishjg10]

winny, wookie and gilly. I agree with you guys 100%. These little sh1tz need to taught a HARD lesson. If the Police are over-whelmed then its the right of oneself to protect ones property (including towns and cities). Its very hard to riot loot or pillage with two broken legs.

[dkwookie]

Some video has surfaced of some police hitting some looters last night in Manchester last night and now the BBC are talking police brutality

This sums up all that's wrong in this country

Edit: here is the video. Cheered me up no end!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgXpNqT2kJE

[MATTXYO]

[QUOTE=dkwookie;322219]Some video has surfaced of some police hitting some looters last night in Manchester last night and now the BBC are talking police brutality

This sums up all that's wrong in this country.



I cannot personally see anyone getting behind the BBC on this one.
Also Boris Johnson seems oblivious to the fact that violence sometimes has to be met with violence, I say good on the anti riot gangs.

[olife]

hello guys

we had the same probs in france 1 or 2 years ago...one poor girl teen was badly burn when those gangs attack with cocktails molotov a city bus.
where go the world?...violence,crisis...sad and bad...
when i hear the intervews of those "breakers",they say : we have nothing,we are poors ,so we become bad and break all ,it is the only way we have for the others people hear us...i say :bullshits!!!!bullshits!!!
i lose my job because of economic crisis,i'm unemployement,or do a jobs i find,often very hard and physical,without compassion or congratulations but i think it is the only way to survive ,give food to kids...AND NOT BREAK EVERYTHING WITHOUT RESPECT...NOT A SOLUTION...TOO EASY AND BAD...

GOOD LUCK MY FRIENDS

[dkwookie]

Very well said Olife

These scumbags have stirred up a hornets nest over here. Ordinary people have been patrolling the streets and the hate felt by the general public for these hooligans is palpable.

The BBC soon dropped that video I posted. If you read the comments on YouTube nearly everyone said they got away lightly with that mild beating.

As a patriotic Englishman I want to say loud and clear that these scum represent a minority of our country. I have been embarrassed seeing the video of this going around the world. In particular what happened to the Malaysian student who was robbed after having his jaw broken.

We are not all like that here and rest assured we will deal with this scum in short order

[winny]

Don't agree with you about the Arndale Winny. Trafford Center yes but not the Ardale. Since the bomb it's a much nicer shopping precinct.



I'm still stuck in the 80's!

It's more the tower and the back (Shudehill side).. It's too beige!

(maybe it's because I drive in from the north and it dominates the skyline..)

At least you can avoid the Trafford center :)

[Gilly]

Just seen a report suggesting the cost of damage for Manchester alone is in the region of £200 Million.

Well done you f+@kin idiots, nice way to go. Just the sort of additional costs this country could do without. Hate to think what will now suffer as a result. Only concelation is that we seem to be dealing swiftly with the tossers, our courts have been in session overnight sorting through and sentencing them.

[dkwookie]

I'm still stuck in the 80's!

It's more the tower and the back (Shudehill side).. It's too beige!

(maybe it's because I drive in from the north and it dominates the skyline..)

At least you can avoid the Trafford center :)

Ah the tower, yes that is grim. It's obscured by the Beetham tower from the south now so I hadnt taken much notice of it recently but when I was younger I hated the look of it.

Gilly, yeah the courts are working overtime to process them all. Personally my idea of processing would be take them out back and putting two in the chest and one in the head

[Gilly]

Gilly, yeah the courts are working overtime to process them all. Personally my idea of processing would be take them out back and putting two in the chest and one in the head

I wouldn't personally waste two in the chest!

As for the arndale I'm a bit like Winny in that most of my memories are from the eighties. Maybe driving in past strangeways didn't help but I was never one for it! Strangely I've mellowed with age and am pretty ambivalent on it now. That said I'd rather walk deansgate and king street than the Trafford centre any day....

[olife]

Very well said Olife

These scumbags have stirred up a hornets nest over here. Ordinary people have been patrolling the streets and the hate felt by the general public for these hooligans is palpable.

The BBC soon dropped that video I posted. If you read the comments on YouTube nearly everyone said they got away lightly with that mild beating.

As a patriotic Englishman I want to say loud and clear that these scum represent a minority of our country. I have been embarrassed seeing the video of this going around the world. In particular what happened to the Malaysian student who was robbed after having his jaw broken.

We are not all like that here and rest assured we will deal with this scum in short order

no probs my friend,u mustn't be embarrassed,the violence of men call the violence of the other men.
i saw in french tv that in england there are no anti-riot police units,it is the ordinary policemen who did this job,is it right?
in france we have 2 sorts of anti-riot police unit :
-the crs of police (compagnie republicaine de securité : republican company of security)
_" les gendarmes mobiles" of french army

and very often ,there is the same case that in your video.

[winny]

TBH this country needs a level of police 'brutality'

When I was 18 I got into a big fight in a nightclub which spilled outside.

The police arrived and I was thrown into the back of a riot van which had bench seats.

I sat on one of the seats and as soon as I did I was punched in the face by a police man and told that the seats were for policemen only and I should be on the floor.. I was then kicked about a bit, driven round the corner and thrown back out and told that if they caught me doing the same thing again ( I was being a bit of an idiot) then the beating would be worse and I'd be arrested.

I walked away from it thinking that I sort of deserved it.
It did actually teach me a lesson.

[FOZ_1983]

TBH this country needs a level of police 'brutality'

When I was 18 I got into a big fight in a nightclub which spilled outside.

The police arrived and I was thrown into the back of a riot van which had bench seats.

I sat on one of the seats and as soon as I did I was punched in the face by a police man and told that the seats were for policemen only and I should be on the floor.. I was then kicked about a bit, driven round the corner and thrown back out and told that if they caught me doing the same thing again ( I was being a bit of an idiot) then the beating would be worse and I'd be arrested.

I walked away from it thinking that I sort of deserved it.
It did actually teach me a lesson.

Yes but Winny, we are mature adults who have been brought up to respect things.

These complete mongs on the streets have no respect for their own parents, let alone anything else. They think what they are doing is big and clever.

Maybe i'm old fashioned, but National Service needs to be brought back.
I was never from the National Service era, but applied to join the Army the same day i left school. And they don't discriminate their,they treat everyone the same - Worthless. But you learn from that. You learn to respect things more from that and have a better out look on life. National Service wouldn't be much different.

Get these little shits and beast them, make them suffer...

from this they will learn.


But thats just my opinion.


As for the video clip you posted, i saw it earlier. The little scumbag got off likely. Maybe its about time the police started getting heavy handed.