problem to detach wings???heres the solution for the bf109!

[David198502]

i dont know how many of you are aware of this, but i read several posts complaining that its too hard or almost impossible to detach wings with the current ammunition.
well with the bf its no problem.you only have to load the correct bullets.
i have the german version of the game, so i dont know how exactly the bullets are called in the english one.however its the last bullet in the loadout menu you should load, and it should be called something like "b observation"(german version: bbeobachtung)

be aware though, that the game will not load your settings when you play the quick missions.
you have to make a mission by yourself in the FMB and load the loadouts for your plane.then you should have no longer any problem to detach wings from any bomber and even fighters.they will also explode very often.

yesterday, i made a mission with 12 beaufighters against me in a bf109E1.i loaded only those "observation"(beobachtung) bullets.and i managed to bring down all 12 enemy planes, and doing that, i detached 11 wings and one beaufighter's fuselage was sliced into two pieces.
i wanted to upload a video to proof this, but unfortunately my game crashes every time i want to record this track.
however i flew this mission several times, and this effect is repeatable.no problem to saw off wings, and pretty much fun.
try it yourself!

[furbs]

Are you sure you didn't have the "realistic shooting" turned off?

thats what it sounds like, just have a check mate.

[David198502]

Are you sure you didn't have the "realistic shooting" turned off?

thats what it sounds like, just have a check mate.

yes furbs!100%
i always fly full real!

EDIT: and i just checked again, but yes i play with realistic settings

[JG52Krupi]

yes furbs!100%
i always fly full real!

EDIT: and i just checked again, but yes i play with realistic settings

Beaufighters is one thing but try shooting off a fighters wing...

[VO101_Tom]

Thx the tips, i will try it.

A thing would be funny if it would be the most deathly ammunition of the game, that in the reality onto nothing was not good (it apart from chug sure) :rolleyes:

[David198502]

yes i tried, and i have to confess its much harder, but with that ammo loadout, it happens more often.and fighters tend to go into a big fireball more often too.

[David198502]

Thx the tips, i will try it.

A thing would be funny if it would be the most deathly ammunition of the game, that in the reality onto nothing was not good (it apart from chug sure) :rolleyes:

well, it seems that exactly this is the case!it makes big holes.

[David198502]

hey tom!try it and give me feedback please what you experience!

[furbs]

You mean the Beobachtung ammo?

[Allons!]

Heres a video showing different ammo types like Beobachtung and tracers in real life..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5XIhHPHU_Q

Greetz, Allons!

[David198502]

yes furbs!beobachtung

i dont know if its called the same in the english version?!

[SNAFU]

You can wipe out whole villages with that ammo type. Try shooting at houses, the collapse quite fast with the 2 nose guns only. :rolleyes: :cool:

[6S.Manu]

They released the game with empty loadouts for the German airplanes, of course because they needed to test the game without being shot down.

I guess that is an ammunition used for testing too.

[Ze-Jamz]

Are we saying that the loading should just contain observer rounds in the E1?

[David198502]

Ze-Jamz....try it!!!its deadly and you will see nice effects
-bombers will loose wings really fast!also tend to explode
-hurris go into huge fire balls
-spits look like swiss cheese after some bursts with that ammo

[JG52Krupi]

Are we saying that the loading should just contain observer rounds in the E1?

I thought we were talking about cannons...!!!

[David198502]

You can wipe out whole villages with that ammo type. Try shooting at houses, the collapse quite fast with the 2 nose guns only. :rolleyes: :cool:

waoh!didnt try it yet,but will try it now!!!im curious if one is able to blow up those fuel storages in the industrial ereas now with the bf.?

[David198502]

I thought we were talking about cannons...!!!

no Krupi....if you read my first post,im talking about the E1, but of course you can load it in the E3 as well, but not in the cannons i think.

[JG52Krupi]

no Krupi....if you read my first post,im talking about the E1, but of course you can load it in the E3 as well, but not in the cannons i think.

Whoops my bad, one of these days I will have to learn to read ;)

Still looking for an effective cannon armament, hopefully the e4 mine shells will be the wing popper we need.

[drewpee]

Sorry I thought Beobachtung-Observer ammo was like a tracer

[David198502]

ok just tried it!
the with that ammo you can blow up those fuel storages with the bf's now!
you can also make some other buildings to collapse totally!
waoh!
i have to try this online!will be fun to blow up hurris and spits with some short bursts!
i wonder if that is some mistake by the devs...

[furbs]

Just been testing and yes it does seem more powerful than the other types, not quite as the OP first said but still...im loading my E1 with next time :)

[David198502]

Sorry I thought Beobachtung-Observer ammo was like a tracer

well its not like a tracer...you cant see it..but you will see flashes when you actually hit a target!and those flashes produce really big holes.

[Ze-Jamz]

So these rounds and a tracer would be ideal in the E1? Ok cool nice info..

Couple of things:

Is this a bug or does anyone know much about that ammo type and secondly if I just load that round an then a tracer round in the loadout I.e only 2 diff ammo types in each gun would that mean that every other round fired would be a tracer or should you stick say 9 lots of observer rounds and then 1 (10th) round being a tracer?

[JG52Krupi]

Lol I can almost hear the rumble of all the allied pilots decending on this forum to complain.

Can't wait to check this out, thanks for the heads up David :D

[David198502]

well if you only load those two types, they should alternate,..meaning every second bullet will be a tracer.
but you will not be able to use the loadout in those default quick missions!!!
you have to make your own mission and load you plane with that ammo!

[David198502]

well nice that this thread is a help for some here!at least now i could give some knowledge back.i got so much help here from members,especially in the first days of my il2 1946 experience, that i almost felt forced to post this.

[Ze-Jamz]

well if you only load those two types, they should alternate,..meaning every second bullet will be a tracer.
but you will not be able to use those default quick missions!!!
you have to make your own mission and load you plane with that ammo!

No but you can use it online if you save it via the loadout screen? Bit harder to tell with Axis planes but the Allied plane loadout are working for me if I change them online

[David198502]

i think it works online!will try it out.
but to be 100% certain, load only beobachtung bullets, when you are online, this way you will know,because they dont have a leuchtspur(tracer).so if you fire your guns you will see nothing,except when you hit something.in that case there should appear flashes on the target!

[SNAFU]

I found they are effective against buildings and Blenheim fuel tanks (few rounds in the wing root and the whole plane disappears in a fire ball), but rather ineffective against Hurricane and Spit. So I switched back to a more armor piercing mixture of beobachtung and full-metall-jacket to get through the pilot armor plating.

[David198502]

it works online!just tried it!
@ snafu:i experience especially with hurris that they go into big fireballs as well.spits not so much,but they are left with detached elevators and ailerons, and big holes in the wings looking like emmentaler.

[SNAFU]

Well, maybe. I do not fly E1 online, just E3 to get used to the cannons, so maybe with E1 is more effective against fighters, what I would suppose.

I picture for myself to first pierce the fuel tanks of the Hurrice (which was prone to catch fire in the gravity tank infront of the pilot) with armor piercing rounds, and then ignite them with the "Beobachtungs" rounds, but I guess that is just my imagination... :cool:

[VO101_Tom]

i think it works online!will try it out.
but to be 100% certain, load only beobachtung bullets, when you are online, this way you will know,because they dont have a leuchtspur(tracer).so if you fire your guns you will see nothing,except when you hit something.in that case there should appear flashes on the target!

I tried it online. I shot down one hurricane. It didn't blow up, didn't fall apart, but the ammo strong - Onto at least so much, than the average ammo.

The beobachtung (B-geschoss, observer, ect) ammo has bright flash, and huge smoke, but nothing else. Only are pyrotechnical ammo. (The same caliber (7.92mm) was used against soldiers by snipers, it causes ugly injuries, but it useless against metal aircrafts). So, its a bug imo.

It i don't know, that the self destruction was forgotten (that work properly at the MG-FF), or it was not used at 7.92 mm ammo.

[JG53Frankyboy]

Anyone tried the .303 observer ammo??
Normaly these observer/beobachter rounds are the first i unloaded in my personal belts :D

IF this is all correct , then i hope a " LOL" is allowed ......

[JG53Frankyboy]

Well, i have to admitt, that my LOL was most propably to early!
Behind this B-round is more than i expected!!
For people whomunderstnd german or want to use a translator , here some interesring to read
http://www.zg26.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=126:b-patrone-in-realitaet-und-simulation&catid=57:il-2-sturmovik-cod-bordwaffen-artikel&Itemid=114

[David198502]

interesting reading!!so it seems its not a bug or an oversight from the devs but actually realistic simulated!!!

[JG53Frankyboy]

Well, as so often in CoD , one can mostly blame the developer for the lack of proper documentation of their game.

[VO101_Tom]

interesting reading!!so it seems its not a bug or an oversight from the devs but actually realistic simulated!!!

Hmm... i think not... it was ineffective against armor, fuel tank, ect. Its proposed use -as it is written on this last web page too- the observation. In the cod currently not this situation :cool:

[VO101_Tom]

Interesting, I think a good mix of this and armor-piercing and AP-incendiary will be brutal.

To the guys wondering about cannon ammunition, I posted a thread earlier with my testing. Every round of cannon has the tracer effect, I can't get rid of them. Even firing a single round from each cannon produces between 1-3 tracers per gun. Not sure if this is a generic graphics effect, or if our cannons just aren't changing ammunition. If someone can figure it out, I'd be most appreciative!

You try it online? Offline dont work the ammo customization (even if you see the custom ammo belt)

[David198502]

cheesehawk,...did you try it in self made missions?or in the default quick missions?cause you cannot use custom loadouts in those single quick missions.

[David198502]

You try it online? Offline dont work the ammo customization (even if you see the custom ammo belt)

tom you can use it offline, but only with self made missions.

[VO101_Tom]

tom you can use it offline, but only with self made missions.

I didnt know that, thx.

[Allons!]

For people whom understand german or want to use a translator , here some interesring to read

You may find Ruhlands video about scissors interesting as well (with english subtitles)..

http://www.youtube.com/user/MisogiWaAikidoDesu#p/u/0/cKvwSp3rn8Q

Best, Allons!

[JG53Frankyboy]

as we now know that the german B-Patrone is far from a usefull round ;)

has anyone did some tests about the british observer round in game ?
Or has some hostorical infos about it ?

[JG53Frankyboy]

made a fast one for my own, emptied a full load of Observer rounds of a Spitfire on a Ju88 - no damage on the Ju88 :D

so............................

[Das Attorney]

Maybe the British observer rounds are incorrectly modelled. Doing a google search, I found references to the ammunition types, and it was said that the British pilots commented on how effective it was.

Do you mean effective at doing it's job (marking impacts), or do you mean effective at causing damage?