Communication poll

[furbs]

As its the most talked about topic at the moment lets find out how this community feels about the communication between the developers and us.

[Rage]

Not!....Nuff said.

[Insuber]

very poor - they hide from customers.

[JG1_Luckystrike]

I feel ripped more and more.

[Ze-Jamz]

Il entertain it cuz im bored..

wont change much though furbs

[kotka5]

Daidalos Team :grin: vs. Luthier :confused: 10-0

[Trumper]

I haven't bought it yet because i am not convinced of it's future,i wonder how many others are lurking ,watching,waiting and put off.

[furbs]

Il entertain it cuz im bored..

wont change much though furbs

I know, but there is nothing else to talk about on here.

[Ze-Jamz]

I haven't bought it yet because i am not convinced of it's future,i wonder how many others are lurking ,watching,waiting and put off.

Well to answer that, if I were in your position I wouldnt of purchased it either...dont get me wrong i play the game and its the only game i am playing presently but ive spend £250 on new GFX and Ram to play this game looking good..and yes i say good as in high settings because thats what i wanted and expected because it certainly hasnt got content..and if i cant play it on nearly all max settings then i would of stuck with IL2, but to be honest i doidnt think we would still be here after all this time moaning about the same ol rubbish

So for that reason and the lack of communication from the Dev team there is no way if i knew what i know now i would of purchased this game..was completely hyped up and sold as a Beta..end off and yes its my fault for buying it..i should of known better than to trust advertisements and promises..

Anyhoow I have faith it will be fixed and they have the magic patch ready to go hopefully soon..very soon

[Ze-Jamz]

I love the fact that 4 people have voted..''very happy''...

Seriously?

[raaaid]

i voted very happen so far havent been banned which makes you wonder :)

[Crane]

Very unhappy, considering all the lies and deception pre release and now next to no communication I have lost all faith and trust in this development team, they are an absoloute shambles. COD is dead, lets hope the ROF guys do a ww2 flight sim and show these suckers how to make a proper game and support their paying customers.

[Tickl3]

Its a joke really. They release a game thats not even half finished and expect people to sit about waiting for them to send out half arsed comunications that contain nothing but pishe.
Over hyped, under delivered. They shouldnt be allowed to sell this tripe to paying customers.

[Bewolf]

i would like to get a update more often but im not worried

Pretty much this. There was not a lot of communication in IL2 days, either, the updates came rolling nevertheless. That's all I need to know.

[BigPickle]

As an individual I feel they need to communicate more, as a customer with a incorrectly functioning product more communication would make the wait till the game is properly playable more bearable and would provide the service i would expect for my money.
As a member here since 2007 and supporter of the IL2 since the onset, I think more communication is the moral thing and the least to do by its supporters especially after knowingly releasing a broken product.

[Cpt Dremmen]

we have been robbed and they dont give a XXXX, start attacking ubisoft as they are still interested in their brand and integrity and are co responsible
:evil:

[bongodriver]

I haven't been robbed.

[furbs]

If COD was mostly working fine, even if it still had missing features i think most people would be ok with monthly updates.

The problem lies with COD having so many bugs that we cant just get on with flying and work round problems.
That's why we feel the devs should update us more than they are.

[Cpt Dremmen]

I haven't been robbed.

you are joking mate

[Cpt Dremmen]

i haven't been robbed.

im meant to say


you are really joking mate???!!!!!

[bongodriver]

No

[furbs]

"are you joking mate?" i think drem

[bongodriver]

Still no, I paid my money willingly, got a product that pretty much works bar some bugs.....not like thats never happened before, and I certainly didn't pay money just so the devs would talk to me, if I wanted to pay money for human interaction it wouldn't be on a forum if you catch my drift.

You must come to terms with the fact some people just dont have the same issues and dont share your oppinion, so please stop with the 'we' were robbed 'we' this 'we' that, it really is just you as individuals.

[ParaB]

IMO this is a textbook case how to not deal with your customers.

[AndyJWest]

I think that useless polls like this may be one reason why we've been getting less communication from Luthier lately. Regardless of what he says, it always ends up with the same old whiners making the same old whine. What part of 'if you don't like CloD you don't have to visit the forum' is so hard to understand?

ParaB may be right - a textbook case of how not to deal with customers. Instead, perhaps they should have taken the usual games industry approach, and said next-to-nothing before the release, and even less afterwards. I'm sure if I was in Luthier's position I'd wish I had.

[furbs]

Yes Andy, but Luthier wants us to buy his next product and the one after...or maybe there isn't a next product as someone has told me?

[bongodriver]

What? despite the fact only 2 weeks ago we were told by the devs there is a next product, this 'someone' guy......I'd love to meet him, everybody seems to know him but nobody knows who it is but he has told everyone something.

[ga_332]

sad to say terrible comminication with the custemours regarding info on what is going on and keep in touch with us...................Im also flying FSX awaiting PMDG 737NGX and MR. Robert and the team give feed back on the prosses on a regular basis and keep there customers updates, and i read or see there forums almous every day.....

Hope that COD team is pulling this off but lack off info I seldom visit the forum anymore.........

[BigPickle]

What part of 'if you don't like CloD you don't have to visit the forum' is so hard to understand?

I think you misunderstand him andy, He loves Cliffs of Dover, thats why he is here, complaining about the lack of info about if its being put right.

I think you should look at it from your own point of view, you dont have to come here either, if you dont like to read your fellow IL2 customers complaints.

Not nice to hear that is it? Maybe you souldnt say it to others. You dont have to read their threads after all do you.

[carguy_]

I think that useless polls like this may be one reason why we've been getting less communication from Luthier lately. Regardless of what he says, it always ends up with the same old whiners making the same old whine. What part of 'if you don't like CloD you don't have to visit the forum' is so hard to understand?

ParaB may be right - a textbook case of how not to deal with customers. Instead, perhaps they should have taken the usual games industry approach, and said next-to-nothing before the release, and even less afterwards. I'm sure if I was in Luthier's position I'd wish I had.
Great post.

[carguy_]

Voted option #2.
I think you misunderstand him andy, He loves Cliffs of Dover, thats why he is here, complaining about the lack of info about if its being put right.
Once more that idiotic logic. No, that`s not liking or loving the game as you put it. The only right user approach now is waiting patiently for the game to be fixed, in the meantime not posting worthless rants on how you`re losing your faith bs. If those whiners did want the best for CloD, they wouldn`t spread false info of it being unplayable. That`s killing sales with the word of mouth.


I think you should look at it from your own point of view, you dont have to come here either, if you dont like to read your fellow IL2 customers complaints.Oh, so this forum should be filled with rant and complaint threads instead? So you spread false info freely? Not a chance, boy.


Not nice to hear that is it? Maybe you souldnt say it to others. You dont have to read their threads after all do you.You or your complaints with no contructive content are not welcome here so you may be on your way.

[Crane]

I think that useless polls like this may be one reason why we've been getting less communication from Luthier lately. Regardless of what he says, it always ends up with the same old whiners making the same old whine. What part of 'if you don't like CloD you don't have to visit the forum' is so hard to understand?

ParaB may be right - a textbook case of how not to deal with customers. Instead, perhaps they should have taken the usual games industry approach, and said next-to-nothing before the release, and even less afterwards. I'm sure if I was in Luthier's position I'd wish I had.

What a load of toss, Luthier was thick skinned enough to release a game in alpha state, and he has posted here since release when he knows that we all know half the stuff he told us during development was blatent lying i.e the game didn't run well at the Russian show because the PC's only had 2GB of ram. So im sure us having a dig about communication isnt going to ruin his nights sleep.

[furbs]

carguy wrote

Once more that idiotic logic. No, that`s not liking or loving the game as you put it. The only right user approach now is waiting patiently for the game to be fixed, in the meantime not posting worthless rants on how you`re losing your faith bs. If those whiners did want the best for CloD, they wouldn`t spread false info of it being unplayable. That`s killing sales with the word of mouth.


No...whats killing COD is bad reviews of a broken product, if COD worked all the "whines" would go away.

The US release is on the 19th, and the sound is broken in MP. thats the problem carguy.

[ParaB]

ParaB may be right - a textbook case of how not to deal with customers. Instead, perhaps they should have taken the usual games industry approach, and said next-to-nothing before the release, and even less afterwards. I'm sure if I was in Luthier's position I'd wish I had.

Apples and oranges. I am very patient when it comes to sim development. I fully understand the problems of developing a niche product with often very limited funds and a fickle customer base. Honest communication is the key in such cases. The guys at Battlefont, eSimGames, DCS and NeoQB/777 studios know how to interact with their customers.

Luthier&Co's communication with their customers OTOH seems only slightly better than their abysmal project management.

I still try to see the positive side though: it can only get better.

[Pudfark]

Even Pea Wii Herman was more forthcoming....:wink:

[carguy_]

carguy wrote
No...whats killing COD is bad reviews of a broken product, if COD worked all the "whines" would go away.
Wrong. In spite of what moaners say and post, the game can easily be enjoyable as it is playable and scalable. They never acknowledge it. Just say the game`s broken and that`s that. Yes, it is broken, but what does that say really? The truth is that it`s not all bad like complainers love to post. Many people (that rarely get so vocal about it, maye because they`re playing the game instead) don`t even have to try to get fun out of this product. But you ofcourse tend to say it`s completely broken, which is lying to those not able to check what state the game is in.
And stop saying the whines are good in any way. They aren`t.


The US release is on the 19th, and the sound is broken in MP. thats the problem carguy.
Which doesn`t mean that it`s not worth the price or unplayable. You will never find a post with me saying there isn`t a sound bug but I don`t even need to search for posts which daily lie that the game is unplayable.

[Sammi79]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loH5kALsj34

Just for those who chose the 4th option :grin: an old lesson that took me a long time to learn when I was 4 years old. Oh, how I used to wail and stamp my feet.

p.s. yes that is Hugh Laurie singing the Stones old classic.

[lothar29]

I am aware of the difficulties that the team of luthier with CoD has been, is for the reason that it is, but also is to say fixed customers a little bit of information each week does not cost anything, or if?
I would also say to those who try to hide the failures of CoD that are not so naive, as are many people that we have problems even with CoD, because four well them I not leave request that the problems I have, if other top products work me best on my computer solve...


Are too many errors that are obvious, I never I usually complain, but it is that I'm here reading some comments which are surprising to me...Indeed one believes that the CoD this ready to be sold? to my sold me as a finished product, and it was not, that in my country is called cheating, lying...
not be, is not nor the pilot's notes full! I no I spent 70€ to not use them, without working! some of here whether they have the same work, but it is not my case, and when I see that some say above luthier ceases to speak with the community for comments like this, I get angry even more, because I think that everything has begun, with his misinformation... If des for the first time the people had been informed, this would not written here... so that those who do well the CoD wish them the best, and that as I still do wrong, we must have patience and pray to God Luthier so you have compassion for their clients...:grin::rolleyes::confused:

[Ze-Jamz]

, perhaps they should have taken the usual games industry approach, and said next-to-nothing before the release, and even less afterwards. I'm sure if I was in Luthier's position I'd wish I had.

Valid point other than this wasn't released in the usual game industry standard now was it? your point there stands no ground whatsoever

[BigPickle]

Voted option #2.

Once more that idiotic logic. No, that`s not liking or loving the game as you put it. The only right user approach now is waiting patiently for the game to be fixed, in the meantime not posting worthless rants on how you`re losing your faith bs. If those whiners did want the best for CloD, they wouldn`t spread false info of it being unplayable. That`s killing sales with the word of mouth.

Oh, so this forum should be filled with rant and complaint threads instead? So you spread false info freely? Not a chance, boy.

You or your complaints with no contructive content are not welcome here so you may be on your way.

LOL and she's back, I can hear that Black Beauty Music again.

This Boy has been told?
You trying to be racist Car Guy? Because obviously you understand that Boy is used as a racial derogatory term right, and regardless of your opinion of what i feel about the communication here that is quite a silly expression to use, I would suggest you choose words more wisely when your trying to be-little someone.
I shall presume you are refering to me as immature right?

For your information I voted 3 :)

[Insuber]

What a load of toss, Luthier was thick skinned enough to release a game in alpha state, and he has posted here since release when he knows that we all know half the stuff he told us during development was blatent lying i.e the game didn't run well at the Russian show because the PC's only had 2GB of ram. So im sure us having a dig about communication isnt going to ruin his nights sleep.

This guy is right.

[philip.ed]

Wrong. In spite of what moaners say and post, the game can easily be enjoyable as it is playable and scalable. They never acknowledge it. Just say the game`s broken and that`s that. Yes, it is broken, but what does that say really? The truth is that it`s not all bad like complainers love to post. Many people (that rarely get so vocal about it, maye because they`re playing the game instead) don`t even have to try to get fun out of this product. But you ofcourse tend to say it`s completely broken, which is lying to those not able to check what state the game is in.
And stop saying the whines are good in any way. They aren`t.



Which doesn`t mean that it`s not worth the price or unplayable. You will never find a post with me saying there isn`t a sound bug but I don`t even need to search for posts which daily lie that the game is unplayable.

This forum will not affect sales to the degree you suggest. Poor reviews will, but not posts on a forum aimed at a niche market of simmers (who all knew what CloD was before it hit the market).
Furbs is not directly saying the game is terrible; rather that it could be so much better (and we were under the impression it would be so much better on the day of release; such information is irrefutable. Don't be naive).
Many can enjoy the game, but it depends on what you are after; a sterile simulation of some of the A/C in the BoB or an actual simulation of the battle itself. The former has easily been achieved, but the latter not so much. Indeed, for onliners the online game is largely broken now, so it is easy to see why Furbs is struggling to play the game. But he wants to play the game! He wouldn't post here and send the team useful information on 1940's houses if we wanted the game to fail. What you mistake as pointless moaning is, in fact, moaning with the incentive that his moaning has been caused by the state of the sim which, as I said, could be so much better.

I don't see why you care so much. Luthier was thick skinned enough to admit the game was in a terrible state on release, and he is not enough of a drama queen to get his knickers in a twist over some posts on an internet forum.

But thankyou, Car-Guy, for entertaining me with your hypocritical nonsense about who can post what, when and where. And your moaning about moaners is second to none. Leave them be, and the environment would be a lot more peaceful.

[furbs]

Carguy, what part of COD are you playing so much?

[carguy_]

Carguy, what part of COD are you playing so much?
SP German campaign plus offline skirmishes, quick escort sorties and sighseeing flights.

[Rattlehead]

This communication issue is a bit of a wierd one.

I think we got used to Luthier posting regular patch news in the early days of this sim, and now that the patches have been moved to a longer schedule, we don't really have anything to go on, news-wise, on a weekly basis anymore.
Many of us are sitting on our hands eagerly awaiting that weekly slice of news, and the longer we wait the more agitated we become. It becomes a bit of an obsession.
To me many if not most of us here are a little bit guilty of micro analysis, in that every little aspect of this game, mostly the broken stuff, has been discussed again and again and again, and a tunnel vision, almost obessessiveness, has developed.
It's like when your favourite football team has hit the skids and fans go into panic mode and post and talk obsessively about what's wrong and what the manager should do. You desperately want the situation to change but you can't do it yourself, so you think, analyse, vent, fret, moan and worry until the crisis passes.

I was starting to obsess a bit a few weeks back, and for me the best thing to do was to just go do something else and take my mind off it all for a while. Not saying everyone should do this, but it does help to put things into perspective a bit.

Anyway, my point is that the forum feels agitated, maybe more than is neccessary, about the fact that we don't hear too much from Luthier these days.
But having said that, I find it puzzling that mere days before the US launch, we still haven't had any news. I don't see them postponing the launch again, not at this late stage, and to hear absolutely not even a snippet of news is not acceptable, at least to me.
The community manager never appeared, and proposed more regular updates have not either.
I can't really blame people for being annoyed by the situation, but again I think that the annoyance has for some, gone well beyond annoyance or agitation, and they're driving themselves nuts.

[Trumper]

Just to clarify,i want to buy the sim BUT i cannot justify spending the money on upgrading my computer to run it + the cost of the game on the off chance it MAY be completed oneday and the lack of input is such a poor selling point.
When you are struggling you get a better response from others and leeway if you keep communicating,explaining.

[furbs]

Carguy, i brought COD for online, SP for practice but 90% for online. For me the sim is broken, i expected when i paid my money for COD that i would at the very least have the same level of function as IL2, it didnt, not even close.

It says COOP on the box, you can look on your very nice collectors edition box. but you cant play COOPs on the battle of Britain map.

Servers keep dropping from steam after a hour or so but the main bug is the very well known no sound bug. Do you expect people to play without sound?
Would you agree that its a game breaking bug to not have any sound?

so i decided to practice offline but what i found was the AI is worse than IL2, what with AI that can perform like F-16s, but cant hit you if make even the slightest turn(they still cant fire defection), plus it seems that after about 5 mins somebody rings a bell and the AI give up and fly home in perfect formation which allows you to shoot down the whole lot.

So then you fly home, and find as you touch down, your whole flight piles into ground next to you.

So whats left? oh yes, i can go sight seeing. :rolleyes:

Now hear this Carguy, i don't know why you seem to think your the internet police here but people can post what they like within reason. its not up to you to tell me what i can or cant post.
i don't care if someone posts how much they like COD, im happy for them, great!.
i don't give a "boob" what you say and nothing you do is going to stop me moaning about the "boob" state COD is in....so do us both a favor, put me on ignore.

[robtek]

......So then you fly home, and find as you touch down, your whole flight piles into ground next to you........

A typical error easily avoided.
When you return to base, start circling and you will see that one by one your wingmen peel off to land.
So, if you a bit patient, you can finish your flight in a nice and orderly manner.


.....Servers keep dropping from steam after a hour or so ......

That is a steam-error that can't be fixed by the devs.

[Sammi79]

i don't give a monkies what you say and nothing you do is going to stop me moaning about the awful state COD is in....so do us both a favor, put me on ignore or stop replying.

Fixed that up a bit for you slightly less pseudo swearing y'know is a bit unneccassary. You certainly have every right to voice your complaints, and the other chap has a right to reply if he wants. It is quite something that the feelings run so hot on this game - alot was expected and not quite enough was delivered (yet) for many people but the passion is a good sign I think (I hope)

MP sound is broken - until the next update we can stop complaining about that can't we? of course if it doesn't get fixed in the next patch then by all means voice the complaint again as loud as you can but we have been informed that the problem is being worked on as a priority. I'm sure I read here somewhere that a post on sukhoi.ru translated as - update this week if all goes to plan, and if it dosn't? well it won't be too long now, what with the US release and all. Just a little bit of patience, I know, I know maybe you feel is asking rather a lot but surely is better than getting all wound up?

In regard to the poll atm it looks like about 60/40 - unhappy/happy (to simplify a bit)

[Feuerfalke]

That is a steam-error that can't be fixed by the devs.

So, you say there's 400 Multiplayer-Titles+ on Steam and only the servers of CloD disappear... due to a Steam error?

[furbs]

Fixed that up a bit for you slightly less pseudo swearing y'know is a bit unneccassary. You certainly have every right to voice your complaints, and the other chap has a right to reply if he wants. It is quite something that the feelings run so hot on this game - alot was expected and not quite enough was delivered (yet) for many people but the passion is a good sign I think (I hope)

MP sound is broken - until the next update we can stop complaining about that can't we? of course if it doesn't get fixed in the next patch then by all means voice the complaint again as loud as you can but we have been informed that the problem is being worked on as a priority. I'm sure I read here somewhere that a post on sukhoi.ru translated as - update this week if all goes to plan, and if it dosn't? well it won't be too long now, what with the US release and all. Just a little bit of patience, I know, I know maybe you feel is asking rather a lot but surely is better than getting all wound up?

In regard to the poll atm it looks like about 60/40 - unhappy/happy (to simplify a bit)

Cheers Sammi, yer i prob should edit it. :)
I just get wound up by the internet police here.
And robotek, seriously? :rolleyes:

[furbs]

So, you say there's 400 Multiplayer-Titles+ on Steam and only the servers of CloD disappear... due to a Steam error?


Hey Feuerfalke, long time no see! i guess your having as much fun with COD as me then.

[Jatta Raso]

A typical error easily avoided.
When you return to base, start circling and you will see that one by one your wingmen peel off to land.
So, if you a bit patient, you can finish your flight in a nice and orderly manner.


that's BS and you know it. wingmen don't crash to ground in RL if you land before them, and it shouldn't be up to player to workaround an escape to that situation. it is an evident bug. something that's not right and disrupts both immenrsion and game-flow. what if you need to do an emergency combat landing??? although cargiy probably can come up with some sort of justification to that as always...

[Jatta Raso]

today i tried to have some fun with CoD. been testing the FMB and finally got to know how to place objects such as clouds, so i could see the big ones at last. the FMB weather system is bugged as hell, but after some crashes i went over some big clouds, well CoD will look significantly better with them, they look great and very real but they're in unfinished state and cannot be used right now.

then i went on a 1 spit mk.I vs 2 109 E-1, as i wanted to test AI and friendlies never follow orders anyway. after irritatingly being unable to change my load-out, i went head-on... now i'm no expert on real AC stats as many gents in here, but even i can see that the mk.I couldn't be so damn slow. i also can't see the use of a prop pitch with 2 fixed positions if one of them is useless. as for the AI, well they can't hit an elephant in a corridor if it steps slightly to one side. after about 5min of engagement, they turned tail and headed home, allowing me to catch them from their 6... AI is fit to fly nothing but bombers right now (and even some gunners don't always work). as online is out of the question, i really don't know what to do with CoD right now. maybe i'll try the campaigns that have been coming up... as for sightseeing, atm i prefer to go out.

[robtek]

that's BS and you know it. wingmen don't crash to ground in RL if you land before them, and it shouldn't be up to player to workaround an escape to that situation. it is an evident bug. something that's not right and disrupts both immenrsion and game-flow. what if you need to do an emergency combat landing??? although cargiy probably can come up with some sort of justification to that as always...

Thats no 'BS', as you so eloquently called it, it's a way to enjoy the sim despite it's undisputed flaws.
I believe it was common that the flight leader landed last, except when damaged.
You are not putting a little effort in it to enjoy it as it is, no you prefer to get your blood-pressure up and to rant.
So be it, i've been only trying to help.
And for the steam error, thats what luthier told us.

Btw, this is a thread about communication and way ot now.

[BigPickle]

I've been trying to populate the airfields in FMB so one day the community might have a full populated template for this game. I take sooo much time and is pretty boring though so i wouldnt expect it anytime soon though :(

[furbs]

Cheers pickle.

[yellonet]

I've been trying to populate the airfields in FMB so one day the community might have a full populated template for this game. I take sooo much time and is pretty boring though so i wouldnt expect it anytime soon though :(
Just be prepared that the whiners will tell you how much you suck because this and that is not properly positioned on the field...

[Skoshi Tiger]

I think that useless polls like this may be one reason why we've been getting less communication from Luthier lately..

Andy, could you please turn this into a poll? I'ld vote 'Yes!' ;)

[Ze-Jamz]

Well I expected it to have a delayed message by now for the US release so I'm guessing it is actually being released then?

On that point we will have the new patch the day before or the day on release via steam, no Beta.

So I think we should wait a while before we carry on arguing.

[furbs]

I think that useless polls like this may be one reason why we've been getting less communication from Luthier lately. Regardless of what he says, it always ends up with the same old whiners making the same old whine. What part of 'if you don't like CloD you don't have to visit the forum' is so hard to understand?

I missed this first time round! that's sarcasm right Andy? :confused:

[Trumper]

I think that useless polls like this may be one reason why we've been getting less communication from Luthier lately. Regardless of what he says, it always ends up with the same old whiners making the same old whine. What part of 'if you don't like CloD you don't have to visit the forum' is so hard to understand?

So those that have paid money for this and aren't happy shouldn't visit the forums and complain,just take it .Sounds wrong to me.

[reggiane]

Common guys you must admit this is a strange way to release a game.
They release a game knowing it is not even remotely near completion without telling their customers anything about that.
It is like buying a new car that does not have a enigine yet and the seats and steering wheel will be delivered after a year or so.

Now they promise thankfully that they will try and fix the game , it will only take one or maybe even two years :confused: ---hurray----

If they told me beforehand the realeased game would be unfinished I would be a lot more forgiving, now I am feeling cheated.

So yeah communication is lacking.
So from now on no more lies, no more secrets, keep us the customers updated.
And please someday tell us the whole story, what went wrong, why was the game released and what really happend to Oleg.
Oh and please stop attacking the people who are complaining about the game, there is nothing wrong with feeling angry at the moment.

[Ali Fish]

anyone realise the developers can not communicate about anything to do with anything to with the strange release of the game. All they can do legally is get on with the poor show. They can make amends and by all accounts they wll try. but that may only come with a new product that is rightfully and soleley their's by default. Not Oleg,s and certainly not ubisofts.

[furbs]

You do get the feeling that COD is slipping away...

And the team is working more on the next product.

Again this is pure speculation on my part, but its how it looks to me.

[FlyingShark]

Option 2, I would like to have an udate more often but I'm not worried.

I'm sure Luthier and his team are working hard to improve this sim. Some news would be great but I think it's more important to let them do their work and let them give news when something interesting comes up instead of making them lose their time with typing news about unimportant things.

~S~

[Ali Fish]

You do get the feeling that COD is slipping away...

And the team is working more on the next product.

Again this is pure speculation on my part, but its how it looks to me.

well ive unistalled it today. and it wont be going back in anytime soon. (when sound is patched probally) lol. i have spent the last few months really trying, 108 hrs in COD. The end is here though.

but regards your comments. It has slipped away from me because of whats been said in another thread. Not only that but the only way forward is this way IMO. unfortunatly, "It takes a second to wreck it, It takes time to build". Oleg should have stayed and overseen the commitment and then left by what ever means necissary! but then again ive heard he sabotaged it and possibly rightfully so. You just dont takeaway someones Baby do you.

[senseispcc]

At last now the team communicate...some years ago without so many forums communication was rare...or by magazines.

Have a fun game.

[Ali Fish]

At last now the team communicate...some years ago without so many forums communication was rare...or by magazines.

Have a fun game.

good point ! but thereafter lies expectation on multiple levels, that can not be sattisfied. hence why we are communicating on someone elses forum.

[furbs]

i just checked the Russian forum, Luthier hasn't been on there since 1/07/11 as well.

Quiet everywhere.

[carguy_]

Now hear this Carguy, i don't know why you seem to think your the internet police here but people can post what they like within reason. its not up to you to tell me what i can or cant post.
i don't care if someone posts how much they like COD, im happy for them, great!.
i don't give a "boob" what you say and nothing you do is going to stop me moaning about the "boob" state COD is in....so do us both a favor, put me on ignore.
I didn`t say that you can`t post. All thet I`ve been saying the whole time is that your moaning beats the same dead horse daily and brings nothing constructive to the table. It`s quite sad that you think that you have this group that can go on and post anything about CoD, including false information, without being answered to. I suggest you create your own forum and bs there with other whiners , because here you will be answered accordingly to the extent your posts present lies or worthless tantrum expressions.

[Sammi79]

Common guys you must admit this is quite a common way to release a game.
They release a game knowing it is not even remotely near completion without telling their customers anything about that.
It is like buying a new car that does not have a enigine yet and the seats and steering wheel will be delivered after a year or so.

Now they promise thankfully that they will try and fix the game , it will only take one or maybe even two years :confused: ---hurray----

If they told me beforehand the realeased game would be unfinished I would not have bought the product and UBIsoft probably would have had a legal issue with it.
So yeah communication is lacking, even though the major problems have been acknowledged and it has been clearly communicated that these issues are being worked on as a priority.
So from now on no more lies, no more secrets, keep us the customers updated.
And please someday tell us the whole story, what went wrong, why was the game released and what really happend to Oleg.
Oh and please stop attacking the people who are complaining about the game, there is nothing wrong with feeling angry at the moment. However, there is a lot wrong with being abusive and/or insulting to either other forum members or employees of 1C whose forum is provided to us all for free.

Firstly, no attacks here, just saying. The real problems come from a lack of regulations regarding the computer games industries, where publishers (who don't care a jot about the content or state of the software product) control the flow of money to the developers, do all the hard advertising and set all the deadlines for release, patches etc... All they care is that they got your money. The correct place to complain about this is with the publishers who unfortunately don't have ears, at least not for you or me. The only thing they hear is $$$ and if you really want them to listen you have to stop giving it to them. If you live outside of Russia, UBIsoft is the root cause of all these problems. 1C seem to me to be doing their best to solve them for us, so lets just give them a chance, they've come through in the past, no?

Hmm the poll seems to be closer to 55%/45% Unhappy/Happy now.

[furbs]

I didn`t say that you can`t post. All thet I`ve been saying the whole time is that your moaning beats the same dead horse daily and brings nothing constructive to the table. It`s quite sad that you think that you have this group that can go on and post anything about CoD, including false information, without being answered to. I suggest you create your own forum and bs there with other whiners , because here you will be answered accordingly to the extent your posts present lies or worthless tantrum expressions.


If you check my history of posting here you will find i have been constructive and also i have contributed more to the development of this sim than you will ever know.

Also i don't have tantrums, im 39, its just people with your attitude of telling others what to do that *boobs* me off.

[carguy_]

If you check my history of posting here you will find i have been constructive and also i have contributed more to the development of this sim than you will ever know.

And how does that entitle you to post the same crap as the other no-life-this-game-is-unplayable-boohoo folks?

[furbs]

in the same way as you seem to think its ok to post your whingeing boring "its ok you can go sight-seeing" posts.

seriously Carguy, just put me on ignore.

[carguy_]

Well then I`m sorry to spoil your day but you`re not.

Why don`t you put me on ignore.

[furbs]

You know Carguy, i get the feeling your one of those guys that people avoid at parties(but you never know it, just like you wont get this)

[robtek]

Yeah, like the pot calling the kettle black. :D

[Pudfark]

Lol....

Some folks is all exhaust and no emission...:-P

[furbs]

robtek, your carguys best mate ;)

[Rattlehead]

You do get the feeling that COD is slipping away...

And the team is working more on the next product.

Again this is pure speculation on my part, but its how it looks to me.

Doubt it, purely because unless Clod gets fixed, people will simply not buy the next product.
Once bitten, twice shy and all that.

[Rage]

Carguy, i brought COD for online, SP for practice but 90% for online. For me the sim is broken, i expected when i paid my money for COD that i would at the very least have the same level of function as IL2, it didnt, not even close.

It says COOP on the box, you can look on your very nice collectors edition box. but you cant play COOPs on the battle of Britain map.

Servers keep dropping from steam after a hour or so but the main bug is the very well known no sound bug. Do you expect people to play without sound?
Would you agree that its a game breaking bug to not have any sound?

so i decided to practice offline but what i found was the AI is worse than IL2, what with AI that can perform like F-16s, but cant hit you if make even the slightest turn(they still cant fire defection), plus it seems that after about 5 mins somebody rings a bell and the AI give up and fly home in perfect formation which allows you to shoot down the whole lot.

So then you fly home, and find as you touch down, your whole flight piles into ground next to you.

So whats left? oh yes, i can go sight seeing. :rolleyes:

Now hear this Carguy, i don't know why you seem to think your the internet police here but people can post what they like within reason. its not up to you to tell me what i can or cant post.
i don't care if someone posts how much they like COD, im happy for them, great!.
i don't give a "boob" what you say and nothing you do is going to stop me moaning about the "boob" state COD is in....so do us both a favor, put me on ignore.

Forget the fanboy,you are right...100%.

[Ze-Jamz]

Judging byt the number of votes and results i think they speak for themselves..

More communication is wanted by the masses, forget all the other tripe this thread has turned into..

It REALLY doesnt help that the devs make false promises too like appointing someone to update the community which obviously didnt take place, it still might do but i would of thought that being updated BEFORE the US would of been better for marketing purposes and sales..maybe im wrong

whatever the state of this game, whatever the outcome small updates every week would make a MASSIVE difference, i say 'updates' not necessarily 'progress' so there is no excuse as to why they choose to ignore this..It would cut half the rubbish out that we see in these forums im sure, it would also put alot of peoples minds to rests because wether we admitt it or not ALL of us have concerns or questions on one or more aspects of this game and more importantly being updated and having that connection with your fanbase/paying public works wonders with promotion and product sales..

So to keep On track with this thread...Why they choose not to communicate more at this stage is just confusing...do they have to? NO should they? I think so

[reggiane]

Ok then let's say it like this...
If they would of told me beforhand that the to be released game was unfinished but
they needed the money to finish the game and keep the legal guys from Ubisoft of their backs... then I would indeed honor such honesty with paying for the game so they would have a chance of finishing it.


We all know they decided not to do that.
Nobody here knew COD was in such a poor product before it was released not even the most loyal fanboys.
Ubisoft knew, 1C knew ..Oleg knew and decided to head for the hills.... digg a foxhole and await the barrage of complaints.
If only they would of told US the customers ...explained the situation and asked us to help them out.... this would be lot different.
so yeah communication was and still is very poor.

[Feathered_IV]

Seeing as Luthier himself posted not so long ago saying how he "feels the weight of his failure" to maintain proper communications with the community, any argument to the contrary is quite useless.

[Tree_UK]

Seeing as Luthier himself posted not so long ago saying how he "feels the weight of his failure" to maintain proper communications with the community, any argument to the contrary is quite useless.

Yes I agree, unfortunately Luthier words come very cheap these days, what he says and what he does are very seperate things.

[Tiger27]

Well my fanboyism (is that a word) is starting to wear thin, havent been able to play for a while as firstly they messed up the pp on the 109 and now the sounds drop out, a month ago I would have voted "i would like to get a update more often but im not worried"
But now I am voting
"The communication has been poor and not what i would expect, not very happy."

With the supposed release to the US today the silence on all forums is deafening, for the small amount of time it would take to let customers know what is happening, they could win a few sales, they have really dropped the ball on this.

[furbs]

The stuff going on in these forums says alot to me.

all of us would rather be flying.

lets hope the US release is a watershed moment and from here things change.

They really do need to.

[JG52Uther]

Maybe the US release is not seen as important. Is 1c expecting a lot of sales there?
Total lack of any sort of announcement is very strange, so maybe it is delayed.
Would be nice if it were released today, as I hope for a huge patch to be released at the same time.

[retrojet]

Well, at the risk of being shot down... I am currently downloading the US release through Ubisoft and using the same activation code to download through Steam, also..

Just thought someone might be interested is all... don't sho;)t the messenger...
Thanks

[furbs]

hope that works out for you! let us know the version number when it finishes.

cheers

[retrojet]

Steam reckons 3-4hrs on my connection... But I'm going to get some shut- eye before I take her up :grin:... Hopefully! ;)

Don't forget what Flasheart always says: " Treat your kite like your woman; get in her 5 times a day and take her to heaven and back! " :grin:

Good night all!

[Triggaaar]

I love the fact that 4 people have voted..''very happy''...

Seriously?We need the game to be in a better state, and we'd like communication from the devs all the time, but that doesn't mean they don't already communicate more than most other game developers.

[150GCT_Veltro]

Very unhappy for me (terrible), and it's incredible how many fanboys we have here. Ridiculous. With these people CoD could have never be improved.

[robtek]

Very unhappy for me (terrible), and it's incredible how many fanboys we have here. Ridiculous. With these people CoD could have never be improved.

Ridiculous is the uncalled for name calling and the hyper-elevated self-importance of some people.

But then, thats only my thoughts.

[snwkill]

ParaB may be right - a textbook case of how not to deal with customers. Instead, perhaps they should have taken the usual games industry approach, and said next-to-nothing before the release, and even less afterwards. I'm sure if I was in Luthier's position I'd wish I had.

The "usual game industry approach" isn't putting out a bug fest piece of software... So since they took the route of selling a 20% finished product, I think it would be in their best interest to keep their PAYING/PAID customers in the loop.

[carguy_]

The "usual game industry approach" isn't putting out a bug fest piece of software... So since they took the route of selling a 20% finished product, I think it would be in their best interest to keep their PAYING/PAID customers in the loop.
Whatever. Maybe they thought it over and decided to do what the biggest do in this industry - IGNORE you until you shut up.

The only thing that keeps you posting is knowing that 1C frequents this forum.