Todays the day

[Crane]

We should see a big patch fix today, with the American release only 4 days away. 1C have already learnt their lesson about releasing a half finished game so there is no way they would make the same mistake twice. Im certain we will get the MP sound and COOp's fixed today and maybe some more goodies too. Well done Dev's.

[machoo]

Sauce?

[Crane]

lol, dont need that, American release is in 4 days!! Theres no way that they would release in its current condition it would be the end of the game, a big patch today trust me.

[fireflyerz]

Heinz please.

[timholt]

Heinz please.

Source?

[alexm2323]

...the teddybears have their pic....nic.

[MadTommy]

Friday always seems to be the day for useless threads & posts with assumptions regarding patches & updates.

I thought i's add something useful.

The world is round, the sun is hot & the Fridays threads about patches & updates are a waste of space.

[Trumper]

It would be a big business boo boo NOT to have something big about patches to announce prior to the biggest release so far,but this lot work in strange ways.

[skouras]

Normally if they release the game to the US in four days they will give us a little info today..
At least that let us know what their planning
On the other hand i believe nothing going to happen today:mrgreen:
By the way Jafa how is going the WIP with your mod..

[Kankkis]

I think we get 0-day patch on US release day, but hopefully today

[Crane]

It would be madness to release the game as it is. There will be a patch or the release date will be put back.

[fireflyerz]

Source?
My empty dinner plate...."wife.....bring food .... NOW!"

[Ataros]

I bet in case US release delayed by 2 weeks we get beta patch next week. In case it is delayed by 2 months or till Christmas we will get beta patch in 2 weeks. Release on the 19th is extremely unlikely because MP sound is not fixed yet and we did not get beta last Friday.

There is no point to release a PC game in summer anyway.

[Allons!]

I hope that - we will see..

[adonys]

if the release date of Tuesday 19th of July 2011, we'll see a patch exactly on that day.

on the other hand, considering the amount of things (still) needing to be fixed, there's no way in hell they can meet that date.

so, either another botched release, or a post-pone..

[Bobb4]

No patch today. US release will be delayed as Ataros says until sound is fixed.
We have about 15 Americans in our squadron and none of them have any plans of buying Clod. It will take more than just fixing what is broken to get them to buy it now. Maybe if they throw in a few more flyable aircraft, added a Mediterain (Battle for Malta) campaign or a Battle for France one?
I honestly would rather it was delayed and they really fixed things, re-worked the singleplayer, removed the childish gimicks and very linear singleplayer and concentrated on a dynamic campaign structure, one they can reuse and improve in later incarnations of the series.
It is a given that the multiplayer needs work.
The real irony is that they are actually 95% of the way there already. It is just quality control, proper beta testing and maybe the team need to take a step back and see where they want to get too?.
It really looks like when Oleg left he took the vision of the entire project with him.
I know people hate comparisons between games but Rise of Flight was in a very similar boat at one stage and then Jason literally took hold of the team and dragged them to where they are now.
I honestly hope Luthier is the man for the job, but for the love of everything holy do not release this game as is to the American market, it would be marketing suicide!

[Crane]

No patch today. US release will be delayed as Ataros says until sound is fixed.
We have about 15 Americans in our squadron and none of them have any plans of buying Clod. It will take more than just fixing what is broken to get them to buy it now. Maybe if they throw in a few more flyable aircraft, added a Mediterain (Battle for Malta) campaign or a Battle for France one?
I honestly would rather it was delayed and they really fixed things, re-worked the singleplayer, removed the childish gimicks and very linear singleplayer and concentrated on a dynamic campaign structure, one they can reuse and improve in later incarnations of the series.
It is a given that the multiplayer needs work.
The real irony is that they are actually 95% of the way there already. It is just quality control, proper beta testing and maybe the team need to take a step back and see where they want to get too?.
It really looks like when Oleg left he took the vision of the entire project with him.
I know people hate comparisons between games but Rise of Flight was in a very similar boat at one stage and then Jason literally took hold of the team and dragged them to where they are now.
I honestly hope Luthier is the man for the job, but for the love of everything holy do not release this game as is to the American market, it would be marketing suicide!

+1, 100% agree

[Troll2k]

If it is going to be on the shelves in 4 days then it has already gone gold.

If it has gone gold then it is completely fixed.

If it is completely fixed, Luthier has been holding out.

[Kankkis]

If it is going to be on the shelves in 4 days then it has already gone gold.

If it has gone gold then it is completely fixed.

If it is completely fixed, Luthier has been holding out.

It's Steam game, it's gone gold in that time when it's unlock steam :) so long Devs can made a patch.

It is possible that there is no even CD in US retail release, only key for unlock.

[Winger]

I also think that there SHOULD be an anouncement today that at least a BETA patch that will come as final on NA releaseday via steam will come today or tomorrow. It would be a big blemish to release the game in NA without fixing at least the MP sound issues. Just my 5 cent.
I think the very least we can reckon is a newsupdate.

Winger

[Opitz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7edeOEuXdMU&feature=player_embedded

;)

[JG53Frankyboy]

i dont have high expections , especially for any kind of a patch.
Normaly i dont care WIP infoupdates from 1C anymore, but at least a short info about the US release would be welcome today !!

It should be the job of UBI on their forums, but that is even less to expect ....................

[Mattius]

Luthier has been too quiet of late. Someone please bring us up to date with where the devs are at now..................
:confused:

[Feathered_IV]

Giant hammer, last minute, hair on fire, every right to be disappointed etc etc. Aught to know the drill by now

[Crane]

Only 23 people in forum waiting to see if theres an update, 6 months back there would be hundreds, says it all really, game is dead.

[BigPickle]

The game is not dead.
Silence has normally equalled a reason to be silent. The past has 4 months taught us everything we need to know. See you at christmas time U.S players :(
I guess also we should remember that the Russian's may have a different approach to how they do things than European or Western companies, although they did seem to understand the community here wanted to have regular updates, but a lot could be lost in translation.

[Kankkis]

Only 23 people in forum waiting to see if theres an update, 6 months back there would be hundreds, says it all really, game is dead.

it's not even born yet. If there is nothing official words today, i'm really disappointed

[JG52Uther]

Let the Americans find out the hard way like we did! ;)

[BigPickle]

hmm i think 1C dont wanna get sued by the pop culture, they wanna make money.

[Ze-Jamz]

I don't think we will get a patch today or do i think the release for the US will be in 4 days..

I would expect and hope for an update today though.

[ElAurens]

The simple fact is that any of my countrymen that are interested in the sim did what I did and purchased it from Just Flight and already have it.

The US was never a huge market for Oleg, and it never will be.

Now can we argue about tracers, or sound, or flap deployment speeds, or something?

[Lololopoulos]

i havent bought i yet. still waiting for a amazon package to magically appear at my door step sometimes next week.

[Sammi79]

YE GADS....

Its been 2 weeks since the last official update...

How long does it take to make a patch? as long as it takes

really? possibly longer than 2 weeks? yes 'fraid so

Do I want them to stop work on the patch to inform me that the patch is not ready yet? not really no

2 weeks folks... untwist yer knickers eh? :rolleyes:

[Phazon]

I hope we hear of an announcement regarding the mythical community manager. It would do alot of good for the game and its community. Just keeping us up-to-date on the game's continuing progress helps cut down the negativity and speculation while also creating some hope our purchases were not a complete waste but rather an early contribution to a great product. ;)

It'd also help to start a proper bug fixing effort where the CM could compile an actively updated list of known bugs and their status (fixed in next patch or being worked on etc). Although we as a community have tried our best to do this ourselves, it is useless without active feedback from the dev team.


I really hope we have a significant update to hear about, seeing the new sound engine in action with some sneak-peaks at some new sound samples would make alot of people happy and confident the game can only get better.

[roadczar]

http://imagesus.homeaway.com/vd2/files/WVR/400x300/t9/3161367/371065_1303776585222.jpg

:rolleyes: you like this better?

[BigPickle]

In light of the recent totalitarian decent of this forum, you cant post a half naked lady with a dead fish, as there are children that use these forums, and to add to that, there is a sea-man lurking in the bottom left of the picture who looks like he wants to eat the fish, raw.
Sorry, but you have to remove this picture right away or face a seven day ban.

[roadczar]

In light of the recent totalitarian decent of this forum, you cant post a half naked lady with a dead fish, as there are children that use these forums, and to add to that, there is a sea-man lurking in the bottom left of the picture who looks like he wants to eat the fish, raw.
Sorry, but you have to remove this picture right away or face a seven day ban.

:rolleyes:
Here - the kids are safe from both the woman and the sea man. :cool:
It would not have been a great loss. Just like this thread...

[BigPickle]

haha your right about the thread lol

Nah prefer the half naked lol unless its your daughter then the above pic is fine :)
wow baby hammerhead, is that your pic ? i've heard hammerheads are real fighters even when young.

[Ze-Jamz]

Yea i preferred the first picture :cool:

[BigPickle]

Oh yeah on another note, just remembered this:

"We are redoing our sound from scratch. It is proceeding at a better pace than expected. It’s already in a working alpha state, and everyone loves it. The only thing that makes it an alpha is that a lot of events do not play sounds yet. 95% of the remaining work is simply adding new samples"

Surely if they were at this stage 2 weeks ago we should have some kind of major progress by now with almost all the sounds added. I would really like to have some kind of update, if not beta test of the sounds (probably hoping for too much I know)

[roadczar]

Not me, just a pic to denote this thread as another fishing expedition!

I do fish, here is a small one caught off the Florida beach many moons ago: :-P

http://roadczar.com/pics/shark1.jpg

[Thee_oddball]

Wasnt it about a month ago luthier said they were redoing the whole sound engine and that would take 2-3 months....no release on the 19th ..sorry guys.

S!

[White Owl]

If this same thread keeps popping up every week like clockwork, the really crazy thing is one thread will correctly predict the patch of patches by accident.

Like El Aurens said, any Americans with more than a casual interest in this game have already done their homework and either bought it from Just Flight or decided to wait for more bugfixes.

[skouras]

hahahaha
it seems that TODAY IS NOT THE DAY :grin::grin::grin:

[Anvilfolk]

It would be madness to release the game as it is...

It would be SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA



There, I've contributed just about as much as everyone else to this thread :D

[bisher]

I hope they do release a patch today, though they may well wait until the sound is redone. It would be nice to hear something from luthier et al about the plans, they have been so quiet

[addman]

I only get two -maybe three- types of fish where I do my fishing, pike is one of them:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6004/5940433860_f769d6430d_b.jpg

Just to add to the whole fishing thing ;)

[roadczar]

I only get two -maybe three- types of fish where I do my fishing, pike is one of them:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6004/5940433860_f769d6430d_b.jpg

Just to add to the whole fishing thing ;)

Nice Pike.

[BigPickle]

gotta be careful with them, one bout the size of a small cat nipped my hand like a goodun on the Norfolk broads.

[albx]

Another week is gone and no news again... very sad...

[skouras]

haha good photos mate
i'm an Ichthyologist that what i do for living
thanks for the pics both of you

[Chivas]

The US release looks like it will still be the 19th, but there is no way all the issues will be fixed for that release. The new IL-2 series is a Work in Progress and if we are lucky it will be a WIP for another 10 to 15 years. You can choose not to support it until the Cliffs of Dover is finished but at your own peril, every purchase counts, in the survival of this sim. In the end you could be supporting a lost cause, or another ten years of entertainment even more immersive simming than the first IL-2 series provided. I hate to be dramatic but this is a critical time in the development of the sim.

[addman]

I prefer to catch the following fish though because it's really nice to cook and especially if you ROACH them. Very common here, do guess the species :):

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6149/5940631132_218ef10faa_b.jpg

[bongodriver]

Perch

[jimbop]

Redfin? If not it should be!

[roadczar]

Perch

+1

[BigPickle]

Roach, and you mean cook it right Addman :-P

[Ze-Jamz]

Roach, and you mean cook it right Addman :-P
+1

What he actually meant is something completely different :cool:

[{dz}]

+1
perch

nice fish,but you really dont want to cock your fish...:grin:

[ATAG_Dutch]

I haven't been fishing since I was eight years old, but now I realise that it's a great excuse to sit by a river drinking beer.

Anyone recommend a good way to start in the hobby? I've already got some beer.:)

[roadczar]

nice fish,but you really dont want to cock your fish...:grin:

I never do! :eek:

[Freycinet]

We should see a big patch fix today, with the American release only 4 days away. 1C have already learnt their lesson about releasing a half finished game so there is no way they would make the same mistake twice. Im certain we will get the MP sound and COOp's fixed today and maybe some more goodies too. Well done Dev's.

Really Tree, do you need to post behind synonyms? You've been banned, just go away please. You are totally manic. Don't ruin it for everybody else.

[BigPickle]

I was wrong tis Perch on account of the two fins, roach has one.

[bongodriver]

perch

nice fish,but you really dont want to cock your fish...:grin:

don't knock it until you try it ;)

[addman]

LOL! No, I'm not Troy McLure so I don't "cock" my fishes, I prefer to cook them :). I fish for the relaxation, it's really great to clear your mind from stuff. Sometimes I even catch something and that's just a bonus. Yes it's a perch and it's an awesome food-fish.

[BigPickle]

didnt know you could eat perch, I might try it sometime.

[roadczar]

don't knock it until you try it ;)

:o :-P different strokes for...


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3sCf5Z-owEI/Thm_eGuRG2I/AAAAAAAAA1M/nomequfWJAo/s400/Teeth.JPG

[addman]

:o :-P different strokes for...


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3sCf5Z-owEI/Thm_eGuRG2I/AAAAAAAAA1M/nomequfWJAo/s400/Teeth.JPG

If there's one fish you shouldn't "cock" then that's the one LOL!

[ATAG_Dutch]

If there's one fish you shouldn't "cock" then that's the one LOL!

Oh, er.....I dunno, you could.....no, sorry.

[BigPickle]

unless you wanna get de-cocked that is

[bongodriver]

didnt know you could eat perch, I might try it sometime.

You can and it's delicious, you can eat carp too...including koi and goldfish..as yet I haven't tried it.

[addman]

Depends how "cocky" the fish is. Ok, I'm out now!

[BigPickle]

yeah some prefer un-cocked as well :)

[roadczar]

On to another controversial topic: :cool::-P:-P

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h295/photobucketalex1/8bbab284.jpg

[Ataros]

So rumors that Oleg is doing a fishing simulator were probably right. The demand is obviously high.

[skouras]

So rumors that Oleg is doing a fishing simulator were probably right. The demand is obviously high.

hahahahahaha
you make my day Ataros

[roadczar]

So rumors that Oleg is doing a fishing simulator were probably right. The demand is obviously high.

Stay on topic please. :mad:

[Crane]

Really Tree, do you need to post behind synonyms? You've been banned, just go away please. You are totally manic. Don't ruin it for everybody else.

Eh? I was wondering where i knew your name from, then i realised your the guy that bores us with all those rubbish movies. :grin::grin: You need to get out more dude.

[BigPickle]

ok back to the topic :

Did george bush really eat that baby
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YYMeAu4i7gA/Sw9ozMpdtoI/AAAAAAAAG98/KbOmF3jY5Bw/s1600/reuters-pictures-of-the-decade-incredible-pictures-amazing-images-photos-george-bush.jpg

[roadczar]

No he like to eat other stuff.

ok back to the topic :

Did george bush really eat that baby
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YYMeAu4i7gA/Sw9ozMpdtoI/AAAAAAAAG98/KbOmF3jY5Bw/s1600/reuters-pictures-of-the-decade-incredible-pictures-amazing-images-photos-george-bush.jpg

[White Owl]

Ever tried noodling? That's some crazy fun fishing, I tells ya. :grin:

[AARPRazorbacks]

I found this fits some of the posters on this forum --- right on.

The failure to communicate.:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DaG-M34fN8&feature=related

[roadczar]

:grin: :grin: :grin:


I found this fits some of the posters on this forum --- right on.

The failure to communicate.:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DaG-M34fN8&feature=related

[roadczar]

Ever tried noodling? That's some crazy fun fishing, I tells ya. :grin:

No, I like my forearms.

[apparition]

Let the Americans find out the hard way like we did! ;)

Some of us yanks have the game and found out the same as you.
I still belive things will get sorted out in time look at il2 it took years to get to where its at now and this game will be the same and im ok with that as long as i see forward progress.
to many peaple here are like small children that require instant gratification to be happy for a hour or two then its back to crying about somthing else.

[BigPickle]

That video was funny as heck, though it did remind me of todays conversations..

[Timberwolf]

So rumors that Oleg is doing a fishing simulator were probably right. The demand is obviously high.


I wonder what sound file will be added for the fish :roll:

[skouras]

I wonder what sound file will be added for the fish :roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXCWuZfu7zs&feature=related

[Ataros]

I wonder what sound file will be added for the fish :roll:

It is being tested already in CloD by some lucky beta-testers as an engine sound in MP. New sound engineer just has to add some bubble samples to it (if you remember the last update) and it is ready :)


This is Valery Kornilov, our new sound designer. We are redoing our sound from scratch. It is proceeding at a better pace than expected. It’s already in a working alpha state, and everyone loves it. The only thing that makes it an alpha is that a lot of events do not play sounds yet. 95% of the remaining work is simply adding new samples.

It is coming be sure :)

[furbs]

It is being tested already in CloD by some lucky beta-testers as an engine sound in MP. New sound engineer just has to add some bubble samples to it (if you remember the last update) and it is ready :)



It is coming be sure :)


The only thing im sure of is it should of been done before release not 4 months after.

[bongodriver]

Should have...but it wasn't.....can't turn back time by complaining.

[robtek]

Better late than never!

[furbs]

lets wait till we "hear" it first. Luthier said "trust me" about spitgirl.

[Ataros]

The only thing im sure of is it should of been done before release not 4 months after.

The fish sim is not out yet.
But don't get it on the first day. You will not like it.

And regarding CloD it is veeeerrrryyyy old news mentioned 1000 times on the forums. Why bother repeating it? Does it feel good somehow?

[furbs]

No..it feels very very bad. i wish i didn't have to.

[skouras]

The fish sim is not out yet.
But don't get it on the first day. You will not like it.

And regarding CloD it is veeeerrrryyyy old news mentioned 1000 times on the forums. Why bother repeating it? Does it feel good somehow?

the fish sim.....
hahahahahahahahahahaha :grin::grin::grin:

[bongodriver]

No..it feels very very bad. i wish i didn't have to.

Do you have to? it is more compulsion than obligation.

[Ataros]

No..it feels very very bad. i wish i didn't have to.

You do not have to. You can just stop repeating old news. No one forces you. It is not interesting. Everyone knows the game has many bugs and not complete. There is no need to repeat as it does not help. Feeling pity may be pleasant but couple of days or even weeks in March was enough for it. Now it is time to get enthusiastic and optimistic without reason :) It helps because "Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm"(c)

Only this attitude and community support can help the devs to finish the game in spite of all business issues.

[klem]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXCWuZfu7zs&feature=related

Hmmmm.. nope, the sound disappears when a new fish swims into view :(
Is it Dx9 ?

[Al Schlageter]

We should see a big patch fix today, with the American release only 4 days away. 1C have already learnt their lesson about releasing a half finished game so there is no way they would make the same mistake twice. Im certain we will get the MP sound and COOp's fixed today and maybe some more goodies too. Well done Dev's.

What do you mean the American release is 4 days away? Ubi says it was released almost 2 months ago.

Forum Manager(s): ms-kleaneasy

Release Date:
UK: 31st March 2011
US: 24th May 2011

[machoo]

In this day in age , release dates are obsolete with digital downloads at the forefront. People who wanted this legitimately would have already downloaded it already or are waiting for better reviews on everything. It already has bad press , a US release wont change anything.

[JG14_Jagr]

Not me, just a pic to denote this thread as another fishing expedition!

I do fish, here is a small one caught off the Florida beach many moons ago: :-P

http://roadczar.com/pics/shark1.jpg

Completely off topic, but I was on a beach when a guy caught a baby shark about that size and was show boating by holding it just like you have it to show off to some girls.. shark comes to life and curls into him biting him in the thigh right next to his groin :)

Didn't really draw any blood but scared the crap out of him and was great entertainment for the girls

[nearmiss]

I don't recall Luthier making any promise on another patch.

I don't recall Friday being important for updates anymore, since OM is gone.

USA release is still July 19 AFAIK.

Maybe there is a patch after the most recent patch we received, which has been included in the USA release.

If... that is the case I'd say we can expect another patch release here as well, probably coincide with the USA release.

So there you go, a reason to be encouraged.

[jimbop]

I don't recall Luthier making any promise on another patch.

I don't recall Friday being important for updates anymore, since OM is gone.

USA release is still July 19 AFAIK.

Maybe there is a patch after the most recent patch we received, which has been included in the USA release.

If... that is the case I'd say we can expect another patch release here as well, probably coincide with the USA release.

So there you go, a reason to be encouraged.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?p=292905#post292905:

I'll try to do more regular weekly Friday updates from now on.

[machoo]

He only said he'd 'try'

[jimbop]

Of course, but it explains why people are still interested on Fridays, that's all.

[nearmiss]

At least he didn't say WHATEVER :roll:

[Pluto]

Completely off topic, but I was on a beach when a guy caught a baby shark about that size and was show boating by holding it just like you have it to show off to some girls.. shark comes to life and curls into him biting him in the thigh right next to his groin :)

Didn't really draw any blood but scared the crap out of him and was great entertainment for the girls

dont tell that to Seashepherd and be glad I havent seen it,....:evil:
http://www.seashepherd.org/

[BigPickle]

Lol shame the worlds protectors dont put the same value on human life :/

[Pluto]

Lol shame the worlds protectors dont put the same value on human life :/

... value of human life ?

Humans are like locusts, they appear in masses and destroy everything on their way. They come to a territory, occupy and exploit it until there is nothing left for other lifeforms.
They need no protection, they are like a virus that causes diseases.
What needs protection is the planet, protection from a disease called mankind.
By the way, a capitalist rule says, the cheapest product is the one that is available in abundance. Seen from this point of view, life of man is the cheapest form of life on earth. :twisted:

[Hunden]

... value of human life ?

Humans are like locusts, they appear in masses and destroy everything on their way. They come to a territory, occupy and exploit it until there is nothing left for other lifeforms.
They need no protection, they are like a virus that causes diseases.
What needs protection is the planet, protection from a disease called mankind.
By the way, a capitalist rule says, the cheapest product is the one that is available in abundance. Seen from this point of view, life of man is the cheapest form of life on earth. :twisted:

Well you could lead by example and eliminate yourself:confused:

[Pluto]

Well you could lead by example and eliminate yourself:confused:

... seen from an objective point of view you are right, I`m not worth much more than you or anyone else and we are both rather part of the problem than of the solution and we both are expendable.
But there is one thing called "instinct of preservation" that every lifeform has and because of that, my life to me is the most precious form of life on earth and I would do anything to protect it. That has nothing to do with rationalism, it rather has to do with instinct. Dont forget, besides beeing "the crown of creation", (what we like to call ourselves), we are all nothing but animals.
:mrgreen:

[bongodriver]

so what you are saying is we should all kill each other.....

[robtek]

Of course, that happens from time to time and is called war.
Thats nature protecting itself by creating people like Stalin, Hitler or Mao.
They exterminate a part of the "problem", politics is only our explanation for it.
And as everybody can see, nature gets better and better during the centuries to reach its target.
A small population of humans living in harmony with the rest of the creation.

Seriously. :D

[Pluto]

so what you are saying is we should all kill each other.....

.... no, we should all change our attitude, our way of thinking.

Due to the fact that man has such a big brain and therefore is capable of very complex thinking, he should also realise his position among the lifeforms of this planet. He should be in charge to protect the planet but as most of us are still living with the hunters instincts of the stoneage (I`m not excluding myself, that is also a reason why we like this game), we rather destroy everything instead of protecting it.

If we dont want to continue to evolve, nature is going to take care of it and wipe out the problem with a big comet ore something as desastrous as that.
Dont worry, life will continue - just without us !
;)

[bongodriver]

so what we need is an organization of sorts that will try to influence our thinking and make us all think alike.....sounds brilliant why hasn't this been done before.

[Pluto]

so what we need is an organization of sorts that will try to influence our thinking and make us all think alike.....sounds brilliant why hasn't this been done before.

no, forced brainwashing will not solve the problem. We need no robots.
If you are forced to think differently, it is not really you. You have to be convinced by yourself that a change of attitude is necessary, only then you can also convince others.
:)

PS: by the way, the brainwashing by organisations is already possible and also done but not for the good of the planet.
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/haarp_mind_weather_control.htm

[bongodriver]

Yeah exactly....we need an individual on a higher plain of enlightenment....a messiah if you like who will influence a small group who will in turn spread the message of enlightenment to the masses......genious.

[bongodriver]

That link was perfect....now whe have a text from which to recite the 'message' from, even better it plays on the insecurities of the human mind like paranoia and fear of our own mortality, that is sure to make the masses come in droves to heed the 'word'.

[roadczar]

dont tell that to Seashepherd and be glad I havent seen it,....:evil:
http://www.seashepherd.org/

What would have you done if you were there?

[ATAG_Dutch]

Gaia will have her revenge. You mark my words.

[Thee_oddball]

our technological level has out paced our wisdom...we have the tech now to live with out polluting or destroying the planet...but we are still to much the caveman.

the world is fragmented with archaic fear and ritual based philosophies :( hopefully there will be a single unifying philosophy that is based in logic and reason that will get us to live with each other and the planet :)

S!

[roadczar]

yada yada ... :rolleyes:
More socialist nonsense...

[BigPickle]

... value of human life ?

Humans are like locusts, they appear in masses and destroy everything on their way. They come to a territory, occupy and exploit it until there is nothing left for other lifeforms.
They need no protection, they are like a virus that causes diseases.
What needs protection is the planet, protection from a disease called mankind.
By the way, a capitalist rule says, the cheapest product is the one that is available in abundance. Seen from this point of view, life of man is the cheapest form of life on earth. :twisted:

You people always make me laugh, do you have any idea what you are talking about? Quite frankly you sound like the insane priest in Jeff Waynes War Of The Worlds!

Your heroic seashepard's that roam the ocean looking for the human scum to harpoon? LOL

Did it not occur to you that the ship they do it in will burn more diesel in one voyage than the average family car in a month and throws out more pollution than that family and its cars combined.

I'm all for protection of animals mate, but dumb logic about destroying all humans, that we are a disease, that life is cheap and worth nothing compared to that pretty fish or whale, Is that whale gonna save your butt when your ship sinks?
No a human being in a sky polluting helicopter will, and he/she will take you to a hospital where other parasitic vermin known as doctors will use technology and their skill to save your hypothermic body.
Or how about if your house was on fire, and the fire service can to save you up at your window, took your dog but pushed you back inside instead?

Dont be such a plonker, the whole reason why life is regarded as cheap in this world is because ignorant people say so.

Jesus, wether you believe in his as the son of god, a prophet or just a really good human, said the oceans are there to be fished, at one point in history fishing was the only way to generate food.

If companies take the micheal and over fish then the government that you have voted in does the right thing by pressure of the public to slow it down.

You want to be a real hero go save a life, a human one! because my friend nature is crueler and any human could ever be.

People like you harrass me every time i go into town, "sponser a puppy...save a panda...." on and on always trying to shame people into giving money to their organization so they can give only 10% to the real cause.

[Pluto]

... thanks for all your answers, positive and negative ones.
It doesent matter if you are pro or contra. What matters is that you think about it!
:-P

[bongodriver]

I might add whale tastes delicious, particularily with a sweet onion relish.

[BigPickle]

haha bongo you kidder.... you know it tastes better with Branstons Original

[bongodriver]

They dont have branstons in Oslo sadly

[Thee_oddball]

:rolleyes:
More socialist nonsense...
im a socialist because i don't believe in destroying the planet for a lot of unnecessary crap...go get yourself another chiapet Einstein....

S!

[roadczar]

im a socialist because i don't believe in destroying the planet for a lot of unnecessary crap...go get yourself another chiapet Einstein....

S!

Great idea! S!

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/73177/thumbs/s-OBAMA-CHIA-large.jpg

[Thee_oddball]

Great idea! S!

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/73177/thumbs/s-OBAMA-CHIA-large.jpg

don't be shy...lets see you whole collection:-P

[roadczar]

don't be shy...lets see you whole collection:-P

Sure, here are few more for you:

http://bp2.blogger.com/_oo5PxNCm_08/RggeqXCXn7I/AAAAAAAAACU/W6uv9Rmk7qI/s320/chia_marx.jpg

http://bp0.blogger.com/_oo5PxNCm_08/Rggeo3CXn4I/AAAAAAAAAB8/itMi3MNMQJg/s320/chia_lenin.jpg

http://bp1.blogger.com/_oo5PxNCm_08/RggepHCXn5I/AAAAAAAAACE/lTqm4cO_ukY/s320/chia_stalin.jpg

http://bp3.blogger.com/_oo5PxNCm_08/RggepnCXn6I/AAAAAAAAACM/9yimftUYoFA/s320/chia_brezhnev.jpg



;)

[nearmiss]

Big bother is watching you politicos.

This thread is closed.

This is NOT a politican forums. Disguising your posts to hash out your political message isn't fooling anyone.

Next time... good bye