For those against Digital sales (also Steam).

[Heliocon]

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/07/06/paradox-sales-are-90-digital-we-don%e2%80%99t-really-need-retailers-any-more-says-ceo/

Thought this would be of interest, other companies confirm the same thing for the PC.

[pupo162]

im against digital sails for myself. I wouldnt buy a thing digitally if i could buy it phisical. If other people want to buy digital go ahead.


MY problem is with enforcing steam on me. I hate it. i would like to have the CHOICE not to use it.

[JG52Uther]

MY problem is with enforcing steam on me. I hate it. i would like to have the CHOICE not to use it.
Exactly. The fact CoD is unstable with it (constant server log offs) does not exactly endear it to me either...

[MadTommy]

im against digital sails for myself. I wouldnt buy a thing digitally if i could buy it phisical. If other people want to buy digital go ahead.


MY problem is with enforcing steam on me. I hate it. i would like to have the CHOICE not to use it.

I respect your decision but i never understand this point. What is the issue with digital purchases? You can burn a DVD if you want, not sure why you'd want to though.

A physical disk can get damaged & lost, but these are not issues with digital purchases and there is no disadvantage that i can think of from using a digital download.

So please tell me why are some people so anti digital?

[Heliocon]

I respect your decision but i never understand this point. What is the issue with digital purchases? You can burn a DVD if you want, not sure why you'd want to though.

A physical disk can get damaged & lost, but these are not issues with digital purchases and there is no disadvantage that i can think of from using a digital download.

So please tell me why are some people so anti digital?

Exactly - so if you drop and dmg the disk you can never play it again possibly, but digitally it is there for me to DL and therefore provides security for my purchase.

Also its not steam's problem, 99% of steam games run great/smooth with it, blame the devs not steam.

[pupo162]

I respect your decision but i never understand this point. What is the issue with digital purchases? You can burn a DVD if you want, not sure why you'd want to though.

A physical disk can get damaged & lost, but these are not issues with digital purchases and there is no disadvantage that i can think of from using a digital download.

So please tell me why are some people so anti digital?

its a matter of perception. i like the feeling of "grabbing" the game. When i buy a music CD 99% i already have it digitally downloaded in the PC. I probably only stare at it. Mayby play it once on the stereo, Then put it up for display. But i like the feeling of HAVING it.

AS for games, i also like to have a box. I enjoy reading the manual. I enjoy going all the way home in the bus reading the cover box. I REAALLY enjoy to check out how is the CD painted. (Best surprsie ever was seeing Cowboys from hell by pantera painted pink ).

DD is like, meh. Yeah.. its pratical... i can dowload it anytime i want... not my cup of tea.

Be sure. the only reason why i havent bought ROF, WOP and other games i was REALLY planning on buying, was becouse they were DD only. At least where i live.

[pupo162]

Exactly - so if you drop and dmg the disk you can never play it again possibly, but digitally it is there for me to DL and therefore provides security for my purchase.

Also its not steam's problem, 99% of steam games run great/smooth with it, blame the devs not steam.

not true. Ive borken my BF2 CD, easy fix. torrent it, put in my ORIGINAL cd-key. Torrents do exist for more than piracy, dispite what most believe.

[Chivas]

I ordered the COD disk from England, but I've found Steam very usefull. It worked very well when I played Red Orchestra, and have had no problems with COD so far. I actually find Steam quick and painless installing game patches, or checking the integrety of the sim code, and repairing if necessary. Steam has been a big plus for me so far, and I trust it much more than I ever would a Torrent download.

[Davy TASB]

Steam is OK for some games but flight sims really need to have things like printed manuals and control keys reference sheets so the option to buy a boxed version with these things included should always be available.

(Pines for the good old days :-x).

[ChicoMick]

My main problem with steam games is automatic updates.

Unless you keep an earlier back up copy before each update you can never roll back to a previous version. This may not matter to a lot of people but it can be really annoying if you like to apply mods to improve a game and then the steam updates are applied and you find the mods are incompatable with newer versions.

Sometimes a game comes out, brilliant mods are created, some mods re adjusted for the first couple of patches but then for example after V1.4 will no longer work. If you happen to buy a steam game say six months after release you will only ever get the latest current verion, say V1.7 and all the good mods only work up to V1.4

Also as some people have said with Clod, the automatic new patch has had negative effects on their game that cannot be undone. Even if you have the Dvd version of V1.0 Steam will update it on activation.

I liked the old days when you downloaded the patches and applied whatever version you wanted and worked best.

[Heliocon]

not true. Ive borken my BF2 CD, easy fix. torrent it, put in my ORIGINAL cd-key. Torrents do exist for more than piracy, dispite what most believe.

Yeah and you have a good chance of torrenting a virus/trojan down with the game. Have fun.

[pupo162]

Yeah and you have a good chance of torrenting a virus/trojan down with the game. Have fun.

I trust my friends far mroe than i trust steam. Be sure.

[Tree_UK]

I think the Steam deal was done because the Dev's knew how bad the release would be, if it had been released soley in the shops half of them would of been returned by now with refunds given, the fact you cannot get a refund through steam was a very clever move and has kept the cash in Olegs pocket. Obviously not so good for us, Ive never had any problems with any game through steam before but CLOD disconnects frequently, obviously bad coding again rather than Steam.

[MadTommy]

I think the Steam deal was done because the Dev's knew how bad the release would be, if it had been released soley in the shops half of them would of been returned by now with refunds given, the fact you cannot get a refund through steam was a very clever move and has kept the cash in Olegs pocket.

What a load of clap trap.

For a start you can get refunds from Steam, at least in the EU as they are regulated by the Distance Selling Directive. You have 7 days to return them, you don't even need a reason.

The rest of what you are sayings is pure BS. Steam is just a great way to get your product to millions of prospective customers.

[Space Communist]

I think the Steam deal was done because the Dev's knew how bad the release would be, if it had been released soley in the shops half of them would of been returned by now with refunds given, the fact you cannot get a refund through steam was a very clever move and has kept the cash in Olegs pocket. Obviously not so good for us, Ive never had any problems with any game through steam before but CLOD disconnects frequently, obviously bad coding again rather than Steam.

This is pretty hilarious because I actually did return CloD on steam. I had it pre-ordered but then when they kept pushing back the NA release I just got a refund then ordered it from Justflight.

Besides which, most physical copies of games (software in general really) are impossible to return after the package has been opened.

[Thee_oddball]

I respect your decision but i never understand this point. What is the issue with digital purchases? You can burn a DVD if you want, not sure why you'd want to though.

A physical disk can get damaged & lost, but these are not issues with digital purchases and there is no disadvantage that i can think of from using a digital download.

So please tell me why are some people so anti digital?

hows that server running? ;)

S!

[MadTommy]

hows that server running? ;)

S!

Its not.. as you know ;) But that has nothing to do with a digital download.. if i had purchased it from a retail store i'd still have the same issue.

Steam sell millions of games and host thousands of servers.. I'd eat my shorts if the problem with CloD server disconnecting from Steam was a Steam caused problem. Steam might be burdened with trying to support it.. but i bet its a CloD problem.

[Heliocon]

This is pretty hilarious because I actually did return CloD on steam. I had it pre-ordered but then when they kept pushing back the NA release I just got a refund then ordered it from Justflight.

Besides which, most physical copies of games (software in general really) are impossible to return after the package has been opened.

You can only cancel a pre-order. (In the US atleast).

[Thee_oddball]

Its not.. as you know ;) But that has nothing to do with a digital download.. if i had purchased it from a retail store i'd still have the same issue.

Steam sell millions of games and host thousands of servers.. I'd eat my shorts if the problem with CloD server disconnecting from Steam was a Steam caused problem. Steam might be burdened with trying to support it.. but i bet its a CloD problem.

digital download is one thing...but being locked into to steam is another...theres no third party that can shut down our 1946 server whether there is a problem or not...if a server on HL has a problem it does not take all the other servers with it.

not being able to give/sell my game when i am done with it just means i didn't buy it i was renting at a deeply discounted rate.

i was indifferent to steam (i had RO on steam) but now i am beginning to see the posibilty for this to turn ugly for the consumer...Steam is a business and as such there bottom line is all that matters and they already have the lions share of the market i can see them in the future introducing a $1.95 monthly service fee for new accounts...why? because they can .because they have the lions share.

I dont mind the DDL but i don't want Tobe locked to the same company.
Now all that being said it does not matter what anyone here thinks....the matter is out of our hands...we are just along for the ride:-x

S!

[Blackdog_kt]

I like having a choice to use a DD, but i also like having a choice to use a different method for the reasons already mentioned by other forum posters before me (user-made mods and customizations, being able to do whatever you want on your own installation,etc).

As for why 1c went with Steam, i think they wanted a ready to use framework to regulate mods and separate legitimate mods from cheats during the life of the new sim.

Steam hasn't been too troublesome for me but i still dislike the fact that i have to do all the run,login,wait for popups, reset my preferences (because it overrides them all the time) routine before i can fly. I also dislike the fact that it's essentially a rental service that can be shut down at a moment's notice. Other than that it has functioned as advertised on my PC and allowed me to install the sim a bit earlier than i otherwise would (i had a relative abroad pick up a collector's edition for me and e-mail me the serial so i could download it, instead of having to wait for the physical box to arrive in the mail).

I think that once things stabilize we might get a choice of using it, one way or the other. Like it's already been pointed out, torrents have more uses than piracy and i've found them very useful in the past. Whenever i buy a game my usual routine is to download the same game on a torrent, disable copy protection on my installation (i have already paid for the game so it's not piracy) and keep my discs in a good condition and my game time to my own discretion, independent of any third party services and the potential technical overhead and possible problems that might occur. Needless to say, i've never had any security related trouble (trojans, viruses and the like), all it takes is scanning the files before using them to mod my legally purchased game.