i think devs have done right not developing stereoscopic effect, why...

[raaaid]

Well to know why and also you help me on my research plz answer this simple question:

Do you notice a change in depth perception if you close one eye in an stereoscopic game or movie but you dont notice change in depth perception in real life when you close one eye?

My answer is yes, I dont notice change in depth perception when i close one eye in real life but I do in a 3d movie. Plz provide me yours

My theory is that the average is to have pseudostereoscopic view. That is that you cross the rays of your eyes in the point your watching so your brain does trig and calculates distance from it

But real 3d perception cant be explained , is something you feel,is that that you percieve in a 3d movie but dont percieve in reality

I know cause like 5 times in my life i got to have real 3d perception and i said wow am i in a 3d movie, but lasted no more than 20 secs

So the point of all this gibberish is that if you implement steroscopy in the game, thats augmented reality, average fighter didnt see like that and that would be a robotic augmented reality into giving advantage in deflection shooting average fighter wouldnt have had in wwii

So should be stereoscvopic affects be implemented in the game?

And plz help me on my research and answer this question:

Do you notice a change in depth perception if you close one eye in an stereoscopic game or movie but you dont notice change in depth perception in real life when you close one eye?

My theory is that in a 3d movie the vanishing point doesnt move when you move your eyes while in real life the vanishing points move when you move the eyes

[Strike]

Seriously raaaid, if you're gonna post this stuff here PLEASE use these two tools :

Use them correctly and please divide sentances into the parts that are relevant to eachother. Not to be rude but you write like a lolcat.

, (comma) and . (period)

[Chips86]

Babelfish doesnt do raaaid, anyone help me out here?

[raaaid]

just to see the point of not making sense implemt stereoscopic effect in the game think about this:

Do you notice a change in depth perception if you close one eye in an stereoscopic game or movie but you dont notice change in depth perception in real life when you close one eye?

My answer is yes i dont notice change in depth perception when i close one eye in real life but i do in a 3d movie.

[Trumper]

Not to be rude but you write like a lolcat.

, (comma) and . (period)
OOOEEERRR ,Period ,yeuch thats a monthly thing for women ,can we use full stop instead :)
Only kidding, - - did anyone understand what Raaid wanted i have enough trouble seeing the screen through bi focals -yeuch.

[albx]

raaaid, you should be banned for waste of bandwidth with all your nonsense topics

[raaaid]

well i have a point:

implementing stereoscopic effect is unfair augmented reality pilots didnt have in real life

so since my card cant handle stereoscopy and it runs low fps i suggest the devs they ignore cheating stereoscopy for deflection shooting and concentrate on getting higher fps

[dash2099]

Puff the magic dragon?

[raaaid]

well i just give my opinion devs should waste not time implementing stereoscopy since my card cant handle it and my point that its cheating augmented reality

so give your opinion on wether devs time should be wasted into implementing 3d

[Strike]

NO!

It's unnatural.

3D movies and stuff is just... argh, I'd rather be lobotomized to be honest.

[raaaid]

apologize me if i make you think that and influence the devs into fitting my card is my only intned

myself im thrilled with this thing of 3d perception really makes you wonder

im thinking on making a double sphere if you see it double with your eyes, like a 3d stereogram in 3d and overimpose youll see a cube in the fourth dimension if its done right :)

[Gamekeeper]

I don't know why you do this here and not research the relevant forums and websites. Is your browser broken? Or are you IP banned from Google?

3D in real iife has real depth, objects need variable focus
3D in movies depth is an illusion, the eyes focus on the screen, no variable focus

[raaaid]

then why do you see with one eye equally than with two in real life but you dont in a 3d movie

could we be lied to have our perception and thinking dumb

in fact do you agree with me that making the game stereoscopic would be unrealistic unfair augmented reality since even you call it unnatural?

i mean you wouldnt fail a single deflection shot

maybe that is what makes some people to the top that theydont have pseudostereoscopic like i usually do

but fully stereosocpic like ive achieved like five times in my life for twenty seconds, mindblowing stuff

and how do you know you percieve things like other, have you really talked about it?

anyway thanks from this i get than you like me perceive a 3d movie different than real life :)

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plz also avoid this as a discusiion of my person and keep it as wetaher implementing stereoscopy in the game would be right?

[White Owl]

Yes, I do notice a change in the perception of depth in real life when I close one eye. Raid, do I recall correctly that you once posted here about having some problems with your eyes?

Anyway, the 3D effect fad currently popular in movies is overdone. I prefer choosing for myself what object to focus my eyes on. Having the movie decide for me is unpleasant. I'm hoping the fad will run its course in a little while and disappear, just like a few decades ago.

[raaaid]

humm maybe my perception is wrong

could more people answer this question plz?

the adavantage of stereoscopic games vs movies is that all is in focus in the games

[ZaltysZ]

Stereopsis (what is used by current stereoscopic imaging) and eye convergence requires 2 eyes to work. Deph perception by using eye focus requires only one eye. First 2 methods work mainly at close range (i.e. when you need something to grab, throw something at distant target or catch something thrown at you). Eye focus works at bigger range too, but that range isn't marvelous too and precision diminishes as range increases. Also, even without all that, brain extract lots of depth information from image alone: lightning, shadows, perspective and so on.

We don't loose depth perception with one eye closed, but we loose precision. If you don't have eye problems significant for stereopsis, try catching a ball with one eye closed. Compare it with catching a ball with both eyes open. I think, you will see a difference.

P.S.: by the way, if you use only one eye and move your head to sides, brain will get depth the same way as it gets from stereopsis: it will relate how much you moved the head with how much viewing angle has changed. Works with real world, but of course it does not work with movies. In games you can get this with TrackIR (it really helps while landing a helicopter).

[raaaid]

an stereogram is a 3d perception out of a flat surface

make an stereogram with a volume then your perciven a fourth D

for example i looked double at two pencils overimposing them with my eyes by seeing double

in my 3D world the point of the pencils were aiming away

but in my fourth D perception the pencil was aiming at me

the pencils went away in the 3rd D but come towards in the 4th :)

[SG1_Lud]

then why do you see with one eye equally than with two in real life ....

Try to thread a needle with one eye and post your findings.

[raaaid]

yes i can put a thread in a needle cause i have pseudostereoscopic view

but plz dont you agree that the depth perception of a 3d game or movie is different to that of real life?

thats my whole point for it not being implemented since would be kind of cheating augmented reality

the thing is FIVE TIMES IN MY LIFE I HAD A 20 SECONDS PERCEPTION IDENTICAL TO THAT OF A 3D MOVIE

therefore my confusion

i know my perception of 3d is wrong cause ive had brief times of awesome depth perception(like in a movie)i wonder about the rest

for example could marseill excelsior at deflection shooting be due to having had authentic steroscopic sight contrary to the rest?

[raaaid]

well then theres some open discussion of weather implementing stereoscopy into the game could be consider cheating by being augmented reality which would give an unnatural advantage on deflection shooting

[ZaltysZ]

yes i can put a thread in a needle cause i have pseudostereoscopic view

The point is not that you should not be able to do that. The point is in difference: is it hardier or just the same?

Human is complex system, which includes lots of subsystems with various elements, whose either backup each other or complement each other. Depth isn't perceived just because of 2 eyes. Stereopsis is just small part of that subsystem. Take that out and depth will still be perceived, but precision will be reduced in some cases (i.e. catching a ball).

As for deflection shooting. Try looking at 2 object in line 100m away from you. Look with left eye, than with right one only. Difference will be very small, in fact so small that you won't even notice it. Stereopsis for humans work only at close distance. Deflection shooting at 100-300m is too far for it.

[winny]

yes i can put a thread in a needle cause i have pseudostereoscopic view

but plz dont you agree that the depth perception of a 3d game or movie is different to that of real life?

thats my whole point for it not being implemented since would be kind of cheating augmented reality

the thing is FIVE TIMES IN MY LIFE I HAD A 20 SECONDS PERCEPTION IDENTICAL TO THAT OF A 3D MOVIE

therefore my confusion

i know my perception of 3d is wrong cause ive had brief times of awesome depth perception(like in a movie)i wonder about the rest

for example could marseill excelsior at deflection shooting be due to having had authentic steroscopic sight contrary to the rest?

The big difference between 3D film/tv/gaming and real life is depth of field and focus.. If something in the background of a 3D film is out of focus you can never get it in focus like you could in RL this confuses the brain and can make watchng 3d films hard work.

At the end of the day 3d is a 'trick' there is no depth, it just looks like it. Your brain knows this and that's why 3d feels like 3d, not RL.

As for your depth perception...

Here's a test

http://www.mediacollege.com/3d/depth-perception/test.html

3D would have some advantages over 2D in CloD, the main one being the ability to see past the cockpit framework more easily. I don't think it would improve shooting though.

[raaaid]

yes thanks seem my perception is considered right wich makes me think we all have it wrong

maybe some day a conversation like this makes sense:

do you see that star?

which one the close star?

not the far away star i mean :)

actually in 3d games all is in focus

[raaaid]

well i think introducing in the game stereoscopy wouldnt solve the bars isuue:

binocular rivalrly:

if each eye is presented a different image(its said according the scientific community) the homo sapiens doesnt experience interhemispheric fusion but one image is supressed, so you would probably see two bars making it even worse :(

so me and the people whom i tested who dont have binocular rivalry and my natural day and half cycle makes me think im alien:cool:

for example using this technique to draw human binocular rivalry makes it imposibble

i looked with one eye at the picture and with other at the painting and see both at the same time:one with each brain hemisphere :)

this is thanked to have a developed corpus callosum which interconnects both hemispheres

as a fun mention in the 4400 show promicine kills those with a not developed enough corpus callosum, its in the wiki :)

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e222/raaaid/23-10-09_195559.jpg

[zoopyzook]

What? I don't even....

[raaaid]

i was joking but im serious that if you implement steroscopic in the game youll see two bars double trouble

[raaaid]

hell at last i was being devil advocate

of course stereoscopy should be implemented

i cant wait to deflection shotting while knowing if my bullets are at same distance than foe by artificial enhancement

most people cant do that in real life

[raaaid]

well you could if 3d got implemented in clod :)

mayas were crosseyed on purpose i wonder if they did it to augment depth perception:confused:

oh and i think i was the first to spot that in the old il2 tracers had 200 ms delay :), thats like 20 m wrong aim

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if i ever have a 3d perception like ive had brief times like if i was in a 3d movie i would like to happen in an starry night

i wonder what i would think if i could tell which stars are close and whuiich stars are fare

can the mind measure a mililionth of a millionth of degree?

[droz]

funny. Not sure weather you know this or not, but it is both eyes that give depth perception. Walk around for 12 hours with one eye closed, see what happens. It's a biologically proven fact that you lose almost all sense of depth perception when you only have one eye, which is also the reason why you cannot get a medical clearance to fly an airplane in real life without the use of a safety pilot.

Simply closing/covering one eye for a few seconds, or even a few minutes, doesn't really give you that sense of loss of depth perception. go a full day with an eye patch. Try to drive, or even walk. THEN, come back and tell us what we should or should not want.

As for 3D support, don't care either way.

[raaaid]

yes youre right cause with one eye you dont even have pseudostereoscopy

but do you really think im bizarre because of wondering why in a 3d movie i have a "bizarre" perception which i dont have in real life?

and i bet im not the only one

[bongodriver]

Raaaid.....just accept things the way the matrix makes them, it will all be over one day and none of it will have ever mattered.

[dash2099]

and lay off the peace pipe, son.. lol


3D in movies is an illusion, your eyes will know the difference. the only way to lessen this is to have 2 seperate screens in an eyeglass configuration and block any common viewspace by both eyes (read: too expensive to be puked on for a 10 dollar movie). Once you isolate both eyes and control imagery they both receive, you can viewmaster that like its 1985 and then you can start the voiceover for twilight zone.

[raaaid]

this maybe helpfull:

ive just equiped my pc to be stereoscopic by 0ne euro:

1 euro glasses red cyan

and free anaglyph iz3d drivers :)

and how would you explain that for brief moments in my life ive seen like in a 3d movie?

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seems we all agree a 3d movie perception is different

my point is that normal view its wrong we only have it right when watching a 3d movie, i know ive seen like that :)

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and wouldnt you agree that artificial stereo is an enhanced perception? augmented reality(since you dont normally see like that and its a more quality and usefull perception)

for example the enhacement would allow for much more precise deflection shooting

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also i have proof we are being lied by the powers to keep our perception dumbed, its been done since the invention of the roman circus.

binocular rivalry(you cant see different images with each eye) makes this drawing technique theoretically imposible yet it works :)

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e222/raaaid/23-10-09_195559.jpg

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i think all thread can be resumed with this thought is worth having:

what is my normal perception closer to to a 3d movie or to a 2d flat movie?

but one have to answer this without prejudice my perception is no doubt closer to a 2d movie a really wonder about the rest

[Ailantd]

Ok, Raaid, try this one, and then tell us again that you have 3D vision with only one eye, if you can.
Put a glass on the table and fill it by dropping water from a jug about 15 cm high.

Do this with both eyes open first, then close an eye, turn yourself a few times and try to refill the glass with one eye closed. Its the same? Of course not, now you can go for the mop. Your brain is cheating you, but you have not 3d vision with only one eye. Anyway I hate the 3D effects in movies.

[raaaid]

you hate the 3d effects of movies cause thats not your normal perception

but what if your normal perception is wrong and it should be like in a 3d movie

in what case do you have a clearer perception of depth in a 3d movie or in real life

i explained that i can fill the water cause i have pseudosterosocpy thats my eyes converge in a point and my brain does trigonometry

but the authentic 3d perception is the one that all here dislike in 3d movies, ive had it in real life :)

somethink to make you think:

when i set my brand new mobil phone on stero is still monoauaral, to listen stereo or binaural i have to use a 15 years old radio

the new wolrd order is getting closer

[winny]

you hate the 3d effects of movies cause thats not your normal perception

but what if your normal perception is wrong and it should be like in a 3d movie

in what case do you have a clearer perception of depth in a 3d movie or in real life

i explained that i can fill the water cause i have pseudosterosocpy thats my eyes converge in a point and my brain does trigonometry

but the authentic 3d perception is the one that all here dislike in 3d movies, ive had it in real life :)

somethink to make you think:

when i set my brand new mobil phone on stero is still monoauaral, to listen stereo or binaural i have to use a 15 years old radio

the new wolrd order is getting closer

With regards to the 3D effect you've seen. This used to happen to me with certain patterned wallpaper, If I stared at it it would become 3D, it was a repeating pattern and what was hapening was the same as a 'magic eye' picture.

It's your eyes focusing incorrectly that creates this effect.

What were you lookin at at the time?

[raaaid]

oh you just brought an old memory:

when i woke up as i kid first thing i would see would be a geometric pattern

i thought oh god i can do things with the sight, i was seeing in 3d :)

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now that you mention it:

all times i managed to see 3d in real life i was doing exercises of theoretically imposible interhemispheric fusion like drawing with that odd technique or just by meditating while seeing double

currently im practicing seeing double to develop the corpus callosum of the brain and i see a blue hue often on peoples head i wonder if its some kind of aura :)

[winny]

oh you just brought an old memory:

when i woke up as i kid first thing i would see would be a geometric pattern

i thought oh god i can do things with the sight, i was seeing in 3d :)

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now that you mention it:

all times i managed to see 3d in real life i was doing exercises of theoretically imposible interhemispheric fusion like drawing with that odd technique or just by meditating while seeing double

currently im practicing seeing double to develop the corpus callosum of the brain and i see a blue hue often on peoples head i wonder if its some kind of aura :)

I too often practice at seeing double, my method differs from yours in so far as I drink Stella Artois, rather than meditating.. It's more reliable.


anyway, you'll like this.
http://www.redferret.net/Images/3d_2DDinosaur.gif

[raaaid]

" If I stared at it it would become 3D, it was a repeating pattern and what was hapening was the same as a 'magic eye' picture.
"

actually i think what happened to you was not an stereogram effect thinking farther ive experienced that:

for example just looking at my elevator vertical strips or at my old room pattern my 3d perception would jump in without crossing the eyes

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and what is suggestion now every time i look at tv they move slowly the camera like that dinosaur, hell maybe tv is the most perfected 3d and i would not notice

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well if theres no conspiracy ponder this:

i just paid 8 euro for a set of headphones and they are the best ive ever had, the previous ones costed me 80 euro

the 80 euro ones reach 10000 hz the 8 euro one reach 20000 hz

with this headpohone you can tell the feling of people singing


if i was normal i would be listening to the fm radio in my mobil phone with 80 euro headphones

like im weird i listen to music with weird looking 8 euro headphones and a crazy old radio that works when she wants

human percpetion is stereo and goes from 20-20000 hz

if i was normal i would be listening to a mono radio and headphones that play a range of 20-10000 hz

like im weird i listen in stereo within the human perception range of 20-20000 hz

makes you think

[justme262]

Yes i noticeably loose depth perception when i close one eye.I just tried it...
I find 3d movies unimpressive because it looks totally normal after a couple of minutes.
I would like a stereoscopic flight sim because it would be closer to the way i see the world.
I have wondered at your eye sight and perception before Raid, when you posted you were playing COD on very low resolution... 600x400 or something like that.

[raaaid]

i have the theory top atlethes and others have real 3d perception not just pseudo stereo

probably youre one

with my specs i have to run low res :(

[swiss]

Yes i noticeably loose depth perception when i close one eye.I just tried it...

Everyone does.
Also, the larger the difference between the two eyes, the more precise your perception will bel.

[raaaid]

well i dont think its true:

ive seen an expert talking of depth perception:

she said that when you close one eye you see no difference cause your brain has already the info and fills the gaps

she explained you should be looking with just one eye for days before you lost depth perception

i find your info extreamly interesting thanks

proves there are people with totally different perceptions

so the normal thing when looking with one eye is notice no difference as i do and most people

now do wonder about this guys perception ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwkLNLUBcWc

[SQB]

Raaaaid, you don't seem to understand... several key points here.

Firstly, there is NO difference between movie 3d and your eyesight 3d. I don't know why you don't notice the lack of 3d when you close one eye because... well you should!

Lets see... The only difference between movie's and real life is that when watching a 3d movie or looking at stereoscopic images the base 2d is already at a 3d point in space (ie if you looked at it in 3d but with the screen showing 2d, you would perceive the distance between you and the screen but not the depth of the items shown on the screen), hence when watching with the screen in 3d you will see objects revolve around a base point (as if you are looking INTO the screen or the object is coming OUT of the screen), it's like viewing the world through a cut out in a cardboard square, everything is either behind or coming through it.

Hope this helps a little, and yes, the game is awesome in 3d stereoscopic ( I can work at procuring some screenies if you wish, just be prepared to go cross eyed!)

[raaaid]

oh clod can be stereosocopic?

what method do you use?

also by thias thread you can tell im not the only one who find 3d movies different perception to reality

call it exxagerated depth if you rather