BoB Sequel in the works already...can we have this one working first please?

[Mysticpuma]

From today's update:

"Marina Kurdyukova, our MAI-educated 3D modeler who continues to create great-looking 3D models for BoB’s sequel."

That must be a very lonely job with everyone fixing this one?

MP

[Dano]

Which 3d models need fixing?

[Mysticpuma]

All the AI aircraft that could be made flyable, shipping, submarines, infantry, squirrels ;)

[Strike]

I totally understand that they are working on side-projects. Basically the 3D modeller is doing stuff, probably not only just to add more things for the future, but to give the community glimpses of what's in store and further boost the marketing value of IL-2 sturmovik NG (next generation) :p

i still HATE that they dropped the storm of war title. renaming it IL-2 over again is just... weird :p

[JG14_Jagr]

3D modlellers make 3D stuff.. they don't code AI or work on the sound engine. They also get paid every week and once they finish the current project they move on to the next one. People can't be sitting around doing nothing. This game is planned for the long haul and to be successful they need to keep to the plan. Continually work to fix and improve the base code while developing new content.

[Igo kyu]

After one project finishes (no matter what state that's in), the next one begins. That's how business works. There is no money in making what's already been sold better.

You'd rather these guys were fired?

With luck, the framework from this project is also being used for the next one, and when that is being made the framework can be made to work better for the previous one too (I think that's what happened with IL*2 as was), but that's not necessarily the case.

[philip.ed]

+1 to Jagr's post, although there are a number of BoB A/C which would definitely fit in the game (A Hampden, anyone?)

[csThor]

[Speculation mode on]

If 3D modellers are already tackling the Eastern Front this might mean the Royal Navy destroyers, other cargo ships and additional aircraft are already finished or close to be finished and are waiting for import. http://www.schweizerjungzuechter.ch/Jungzue/gb/images/whistle.gif

[Speculation mode off]

[FlyingShark]

Me too, I agree, what can be fixed now can be fixed now, what can't be fixed now might get fixed later and in the mean while new stuff can still be addad.

~S~

[Vengeanze]

Now that I got her name I'll mail her and ask her to fix a carrier. :-D

[Robert]

From today's update:

"Marina Kurdyukova, our MAI-educated 3D modeler who continues to create great-looking 3D models for BoB’s sequel."

That must be a very lonely job with everyone fixing this one?

MP

Just take the statement as a comment about CoD's longevity and that they are working to fix things. To me it's a confidence boost that things aren't dieing on the vine as many predict. Their plans are to continue. Good enough for me ATM.

You don't REALLY think they'd release a sequel without a good working base in CoD? Patience MP.

[Troll2k]

Send the 3d modellers to programming night school.
They can be like a utility infielder.They are capable of doing a do a few different jobs.They can take up the slack when a programmer is on vacation or on sick leave.

[carguy_]

[Speculation mode on]

If 3D modellers are already tackling the Eastern Front this might mean the Royal Navy destroyers, other cargo ships and additional aircraft are already finished or close to be finished and are waiting for import. http://www.schweizerjungzuechter.ch/Jungzue/gb/images/whistle.gif

[Speculation mode off]
You new to this man? Creating the Moscow addon doesn`t mean in any way that additional acontent for already included theater of operations is over.

[zoopyzook]

At this rate I think they will be up to modelling the Eurofighter Typhoon before they get Cliffs of Dover to everyones level of expectation. :grin:

[machoo]

Maybe it's not cost effective but they should use those laser scanners and just goto a museum and spend a few days scanning aircraft. Then they could just get exact flight models within 1mm and get it done a hell of a lot faster.

[jg27_mc]

...If 3D modellers are already tackling the Eastern Front...

Dear God... I really hope no!!! :eek:

[machoo]

Why more European conflicts , The Pacific owns the European war.

[AndyJWest]

Why more European conflicts , The Pacific owns the European war.

Because CloD is a historical air combat simulator, not a simplistic game? Because we'd rather not have people who use the word 'owns' involved?
And finally, because it is produced by people who actually understand the realities of warfare, as opposed to the Hollywood version...

[Zorin]

[Speculation mode on]

If 3D modellers are already tackling the Eastern Front this might mean the Royal Navy destroyers, other cargo ships and additional aircraft are already finished or close to be finished and are waiting for import. http://www.schweizerjungzuechter.ch/Jungzue/gb/images/whistle.gif

[Speculation mode off]

Thanks for a good laugh.

[csThor]

I guess carguy's irony detector doesn't work. ;)

[csThor]

Why more European conflicts , The Pacific owns the European war.

Maddox Games = russian developer
1C = russian publisher

Of course the Eastern Front is of more interest to them than the Pacific (not to mention that Pacific Fighters and 1946 were badly hampered by Grumman's corporate greed) because their "home base" is very much interested in the Eastern Front. And about "owning" anything ... go buy a few good books on the EF. You may want to revise your attitude then.

And I can't fault them for it ... being an Eastern Front fan myself. ;)

[addman]

Back to the OP. I think I'll let other people buy (beta test) the next instalment in the series first before I make any decisions. I also hope that people are not still talking about the potential of CloD then, that would just be sad.

[nearmiss]

It's OK with me if they want to talk about the future optimistically.

It makes sense to work on future projects, because some dev team members may be done with their current projects. I am thinking of graphic items, i.e, aircraft.

Fact is I don't in my wildest thoughts think BOB COD won't finish competently. If the dev was going to walk away it would have been done by now, or worse the US release would have followed shortly behind the Europe and Russian releases. That way they could have captured all the revenue possible from all quarters... riding on the reputation of IL2. Then walking away would have made more money sense.

As it is, the US release is delayed...

I don't care, if the US release is delayed even further. Getting the BOB COD right, and getting a competent final release is my interest. I'm not put off by this, because I'm a die-hard that loves the IL2. I know I'd have waited another year for the BOB release, patiently waiting like everyone else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY0HwNM1irQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI-htIR2P7s&NR=1

I'm in this for the long haul. Ten years of enjoyment from Il2, encourages me. The TD and mods have already turned IL2 into a new and more exciting CFS (combat flight simulator). I've got plenty to keep me busy with the improvements in IL2, while I patiently wait for the BOB COD.

[baronWastelan]

"Dear Users,

We are sorry you thought we care about your feedback. We didn't realize you were so confused that you couldn't understand Oleg is no longer part of our team. Now run along and go play with the new boat we gave you."

[6S.Tamat]

Maybe it's not cost effective but they should use those laser scanners and just goto a museum and spend a few days scanning aircraft. Then they could just get exact flight models within 1mm and get it done a hell of a lot faster.

It is clear that you don't know what is modelling for gaming...and modelling in general ;)

That said, could be better to have more models of that one (it means patches) that a new theater (it means add-on= money). But the 1C perhaps doesn't has clear in the mind that there is alot of people angry around, at least for the totally uncorrect communication about the game.
In the ambient of the organized wings i never met someone happy for the situation of the game. Only an example for all: seems for you all normal that a new game has less people online in comparison with the old one (ten years older!!)?

[esmiol]

compare the people online between il2 firts of name and COD is not a good argument.

in fact even if COD was release with no bug or bad optimisation... there will be less people online than for il2 1946. during some years

why? because il2 is more than two hundred planes...communyty project like dynamic campaign, mostly all theatre of war are mapped.

the transfer of community between the two game will take much longer.

remember when il2 firts of name was release... lot of virtual squadreon have fly on il2 AND on european air war. why? because in the first release... il2 was only a simulation of eastern front.

the transfert between two game take a long time. ;)

[machoo]

It's false advertising IMO when they say 200 planes. More like 15 planes with a million different variants. ohhh look this one has a different colored button blah blah blah.

[6S.Tamat]

compare the people online between il2 firts of name and COD is not a good argument.

.....

the transfert between two game take a long time. ;)

I disagree totally, the proof is that il2 the month after the coming out of CoD lost a big number of players (and still is not like before). That simply means, and i confirmed my toughts talking around with alot of people, that alot of players tryed to play with CoD without beeing able to continue cause the enormous problems of the game (let's say late alpha version?) still to improve. To return after to fly on il2 is difficult, because is like to return to an abused old food after that for alot of time people said to you that there would have been another better one..

Every one knew that il2 would have been still alive for alot of time (different scenarios, alot of planes, improved mods, Seow management, teams able to build campaigns online etc etc etc etc.) but for the online dogfight all the people were ready to test the new engine management, the new graphic and detailed map, the new atmosferic simulation, the perfect plane reconstruction (the acro plane where is?!) and all the marvellous things that they promise and still are not here..
that practically is the reason of the people angry, and returning in topic, why should be better imho to let the people see that also in 3d modelling they are still doing something on that (planes, maps, ships.. the list could be long) to "thank" the people that bought the game and found out a totally "raw" one...

[pupo162]

It's false advertising IMO when they say 200 planes. More like 15 planes with a million different variants. ohhh look this one has a different colored button blah blah blah.

for waht it matters is different. you cant compare a 109E1 with a k4. p40E with p40M etc etc etc...

there is more to it than the differnet collored button.

[Sven]

It's false advertising IMO when they say 200 planes. More like 15 planes with a million different variants. ohhh look this one has a different colored button blah blah blah.

The only thing that is false is your post. ;)

[JG52Krupi]

It's only a matter of time before cod is fixed... And remember that it takes at least 6 months to make a detailed model... Durhhhh

[robtek]

It takes one to see one, nats!

[Strike]

I think re-creating the aircraft in 3D only takes perhaps a week (exterior model) and perhaps the same for the cockpit view! If all the references are good and the devs decide the cockpit represents historical accuracy!

However I believe the 6 month thing is said to be a full- flyable aircraft with what I imagine to be the most time-consuming task : To animate every single lever, button, gauge, mechanical part etc etc etc. I think that's where the working hours go :)

[Blackdog_kt]

I personally find it quite insulting that anyone is discussing a sequel when the original is still so far off being a decently complete game. And I will tell the publisher/developer now theres no way they are getting any more of my money, they had their chance and theyve blown it big time, the greedy buggers. Get this pile of rubbish fixed and enjoyably playable and then they can start talking sequels. Idiots.

I could just as easily find it insulting that you demand they either lay off a bunch of modellers or keep them on the payroll without doing anything, but i don't usually get insulted by people having a different opinion ;)

It's not like these guys are AI programmers or sound engineers or people who can dig into the engine and eliminate a couple of things that cause stutters, or otherwise help with any of the existing issues.

What they do is draw pretty textures, that's what they know, that's what they're paid to do and i'd rather have them working and getting a bit ahead of the proverbial curve, than sit in the office twiddling their thumbs just because some of us here entertain a notion that software developer teams are comprised of jack of all trades employees who can jump around between different fields of expertise.

[Zoom2136]

Send the 3d modellers to programming night school.
They can be like a utility infielder.They are capable of doing a do a few different jobs.They can take up the slack when a programmer is on vacation or on sick leave.

Yeah and then you end up with a bug fest... Let these guys work on what they know best, and things will workout in the end!

[Robert]

I personally find it quite insulting that anyone is discussing a sequel when the original is still so far off being a decently complete game. And I will tell the publisher/developer now theres no way they are getting any more of my money, they had their chance and theyve blown it big time, the greedy buggers. Get this pile of rubbish fixed and enjoyably playable and then they can start talking sequels. Idiots.

You always were one for taste and tact, natz.

No where did they say they were going to release a new version/sequel without CoD being fixed. While some in the forum were saying CoD was deserted abandon-ware, Luthier has shown that the commitment to Cod is secure. They wouldn't be working on a new version if they were going to let CoD die. They have laid the groundwork to the forum members describing how they were going to proceed with repairs. But pay no attention to that. It's easier to be a punk and look cool.

Personally I think I've seen enough videos online that lead me to believe CoD will be a fine purchase for me. Perfect? No, but despite the release state, they are working on it. I'll give the benefit of doubt to the team.

Now if you have no plans to purchase more products from 1C, can you.... um.... bugger off?

[furbs]

I think before he "buggers off" hes going to wait for the one he "paid for" to get fixed.

[Robert]

I think before he "buggers off" hes going to wait for the one he "paid for" to get fixed.


Well he can wait patiently outside or learn not to be a butt-head. Sorry. I'm tired of responses like his.... so as far as I care he can bugger off.


Welcome back furbs.

[furbs]

Cheers Rob! :) (banned for 3 days for quoting a swear word in someone elses post:rolleyes: )

[hiro]

All the AI aircraft that could be made flyable, shipping, submarines, infantry, squirrels ;)

flying squirrels . . .

submarines . . . maybe for a Xmen preschool class mod!

infantry . . . jet packs maybe for vietnam scenario

:)


I do love the pacific and wish they would put super detail in it. I love flying off of carriers.


Well as for discussing the main topic . . .,


I do agree with Nats, in regarding leaving the current game and making a sequel, which the devs aren't doing, nor have they mentioned it. It is a shame and greedy. Very bad.

But since the dev's aren't going that route, Nat's argument is invalid for all intents and purpose(s).

In this case, I'd rather present the dev team as thinking ahead.

Well you have to look at the Il-2 team. I like how they are looking forward. The dev team EXPECTS this (current buggy game) to be fixed.

So they have a lady already designing stuff for future campaigns.

I don't see any issues in that.

[dash2099]

I think this great news.

I remember that even during development stages for sow/clod, expansions and dlc's have always been on the roadmap. BoB was an engine essentially, with one campaign. This means the series is continuing as Oleg said in all the dev previews we've been following through the years.

Let the programmers work on patching and get the ball rolling with long modelling work. Might even get a few more planes in as bob it wont be long before everyone gets bored with the current plane set. I'm hoping the sdk comes out once the main issues are addressed too, this game would really start opening up then.

[Phazon]

Its as simple as this - no way on Earth would anyone in their right mind buy any future "IL-2" title until Cliffs of Dover is finished and Maddox Games redeemed itself as a quality flight-sim developer who cares about its community. I'm sure the dev team is well-aware of this.

In other news, Silent Hunter 6 anyone? Anyone? :P

[dash2099]

Lol, mate.. If reviews come out saying silent hunter 6 is so good it made sh 5 look like sesame street - then everyone would probably buy it.

Supply and demand - no other current and pretty sub sims

Lets say all CoD development stops today and then "Il2 - the vodka years" comes out in 2012. Great reviews, runs on a 4870 and makes CoD look like liver oil, who here isn't going to buy it? Players will just research it a bit more before buying. The effect would be more on launch day impulse buyers, if anything.

If we base this on the original il2 lifecycle with all the eventual expansions, cod looks like it's heading down that same path with this news. Which is what we want right?

[JG53Frankyboy]

and as a sequel will be mergeable with CoD , all improvements to the gameengine in the sequel will be also available in CoD.

ok, i have to admit, the talk to be mergeable was before CoD release , so we dont know for sure it will be. One have to be carfully to quote statements of the developers before CoD release - at least thats my experience....................

[II./JG1_Wilcke]

A conundrum for sure will it be folded into the current platform with a universal GUI as this one is purely BoB or stand alone? Just like THQ did with its COH series, one could purchase the pack/addons and still join in the online game with out the need to have previous releases.

[Winger]

I do believe with "sequel" there is nothing other meant but the next theatre of war FOR CloD. Mean like an addon or maybe even just version 1.1 something like that. I think its highly unlikely that they already work on CloD 2 - whatever it will be named one day.

Winger