8000m altitude limit?

[Lixma]

Apologies if this has been discussed before.

I've been trying to fly above the wispy cloud layer in CoD which appears to be fixed at 8000m. I cannot do it in any of the fighters. The best I can do is wander around with the nose tickling the wispy veil in the manner of a goldfish swimming near the surface of the water. But I cannot induce any aircraft to break this barrier.

Why?

It's well known that the fighters in CoD are not reaching their historical altitudes but it has been the received wisdom that they just need their FM tuned. But let me introduce a terrible idea....

8000m is the ceiling of CoD's universe. No amount of FM tuning will allow a fighter to break 8000m because there is nothing beyond 8000m! The wispy cloud layer at 8000m is CoD's 'roof'.

Oooohh, the drama! But it's very suspicious, nonetheless.

So has anyone broke on through to the other side? If so could they provide a screenshot?

[sigintwarrior]

It is common knowledge that if you fly above 8000m you will die. Much like breaking the sound barrier will be like flying into a brickwall. :rolleyes:

[ParaB]

It's just one of the many problems with the sim.

Hope it gets fixed some day.

[baronWastelan]

The game is titled "IL-2 Sturmovik" isn't it?

[Vengeanze]

Raaaid can tell u what's beyond 8kmts. :-D

[Danelov]

In real world, Bf 109Es were spotted at 11000m, combats over Dover were reported with 8500-9000m. Recce Ju 86s still fly a lot more higher. Of course, a small wrong or violent maneuver at this altitude and the stall is assured.

[furbs]

I remember some development shots taken from MUCH higher than 8000m.

[Romanator21]

http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/shot_20100708_174641.jpg

[ATAG_Doc]

How many folks in this community have experience flying the Emil during WWII? I read a handful of people throwing out the "in the real world" combo of words I am just curious what qualifies their words to be weighted more than say the devs.
Thanks for your time and we eagerly await your reply.

[von Pilsner]

How many folks in this community have experience flying the Emil during WWII? I read a handful of people throwing out the "in the real world" combo of words I am just curious what qualifies their words to be weighted more than say the devs.
Thanks for your time and we eagerly await your reply.

Presumably because we usually see the 109 service ceiling described as (approx.) 36,000-39,000ft. in some reference (http://www.google.com/search?q=wwii+aircraft+service+ceiling&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&biw=1182&bih=643&source=hp&q=service+ceiling+Messerschmitt+Bf+109&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=8212628ef303788a) materials so we hope to achieve that in-game.

[ParaB]

How many folks in this community have experience flying the Emil during WWII? I read a handful of people throwing out the "in the real world" combo of words I am just curious what qualifies their words to be weighted more than say the devs.
Thanks for your time and we eagerly await your reply.

Basically any publication that's ever been written about the 109 mentions its service ceiling.

What we see in CoD is simply not correct.

[Insuber]

And basically no publication mentions 8000 m as the ceiling of 109's or Spitfires.

[hiro]

the ceiling (and the bar) goes up the closer we get to the late war scenarios. :cool:

[esmiol]

with the FMB the higher you can config is 10.000meters.

but there are not a invisible wall on the floor :)

it is just that no plan in the game are able to fly so high. :)

[senseispcc]

I try a lot of times and with the Spitfire any type never reached above 28000 ft.
A bug or the creators of the game suppose you have an old plane with less power left in the engine!
:(

[esmiol]

even with low fuel mix at high altitude?

[droz]

In real world, Bf 109Es were spotted at 11000m, combats over Dover were reported with 8500-9000m. Recce Ju 86s still fly a lot more higher. Of course, a small wrong or violent maneuver at this altitude and the stall is assured.

ummmm...sources. I find it hard to believe at all that spitfires and hurricanes would be that high, seeing as they were not supercharged that early in the war, and they still used carburetors in the engines and not fuel injected. Try getting any aircraft, old or new, that does not have a supercharger in it above 14,000 FEET and see what happens to it, in real life.

Most engagements I remember hearding about were between 8000 to 12000 FFET, not meters. Yes, the service cieling of the 109 is very high, but that's the max service cieling the 109 ever witnessed, not just necessarily the E (though it's service cieling was much higher than the spit and hurricane, iirc).

[JG53Frankyboy]

they WERE supercharged.
All combat planes in game have supercharged engines. This is not WWI .......

And sure, flightbehaviour such heights were different than in thicker air...you had to be gentle on the stick, otherwise you get very fast a stall, indicated airspeeds so up high were low, dangerous close to minimum manouver speeds :D

[Lixma]

Well, I've been trying to break the 8k barrier using the FMB but even setting the starting altitude at 9000m it nevertheless spawns the player's aircraft at or just under 8000m.

Mmmmmm.....

[ATAG_Doc]

It may seem trivial but what he wants is a height advantage which is Boelcke 1st rule and I agree with him.

I do wish the FM of each of these would be closer to real life for a particular plane you fly. We have a huge 1940 map (which by the way is required due to the large size egos IL-2 players have) and he wants to be able to get up a couple of thousand meters higher which shouldn't be too hard to accomplish.

But remember this isn't finished yet.

[esmiol]

the 8K barrier is just a mechanical barrier...plane are just not able to go upper it is all :)

and it is not 8K but 10K the limit with FMB

[senseispcc]

even with low fuel mix at high altitude?

Yes and rpm at 2/3.
The real service celling of a Hurricane is 34.200 feet.
The Spitfire MK IA 31.900 feet the MK IIA 32.800 feet. Rate of climb initial 2530 feet/min. and 2600 feet/min respectively.
For the BF109 E-4 initial climb are 3.100 feet/min and service celling 36000 feet.:rolleyes:
I do not know if all Hurricanes or Spitfire where capable of getting to this altitude? Planes are like cars some are faster than other for no special and objective reasons!
The fighting altitude over France in 1940 is 3000 meters, over the British isles it seems more 6000 meters. Naturalyy it depens of the target and type of plane!