Friday June 17 Update – Next Patch Info

[luthier]

We’ve been pushing it out all day, but it’s just not coming out.

Or rather, we have two known issues: new ship-related online code is occasionally crapping out, and the new multiplayer GUI is not quite fully cooked.

We plan to work on it over the weekend, test internally on Monday, and release the beta on Tuesday.

The patch will contain everything I’ve said previously. Most importantly, online stability and the improved online GUI make online games much more interesting.

Some shots of the new GUI and the new warship are attached.

Sorry to keep you waiting!

Our next BETA patch is tentatively scheduled for two weeks from now for Friday the 17th, and the release version of it is scheduled for the Friday after that, June 24th.

The next patch will contain:

* Improved streamlined multiplayer GUI
* Other multiplayer improvements - more stability, all plane settings like convergence and paintscheme working at all times, less rare bugs, etc.
* Various graphical improvements. The distant clouds are finally back - i.e. the flat representations of clouds you saw on beta screenshots with pretty sunlit borders. Finally fixed the landscape stripes bug, etc.
* Improvements to FM and DM and various cockpit systems, as usual - long list there.
* AI improvements, including at least the majority, if not all, of the order system working.
* A new warship!

Other things that are in the pipeline:

* Sound. This is probably the biggest issue we're facing. We're taking a very drastic approach to the issue and pretty much redoing our sound from scratch. This means you won't see the new sound for a few more months.
* FPS. The final remaining performance issues, which fortunately are comparatively minor, lie very deep in the engine, and require us to do a significant amount of work. Probably at least 2 months of it.
* Online stability, more anti-cheating controls, and server and aircraft SDK - also a few months out. Dedicated Server SDK and documentation is probably going to be done the quickest.

NOTE: this isn't an exhaustive list, but rather the main bullet points.

[luthier]

And the ship.

[JG52Krupi]

Nice, thanks for the update.

As some ppl have a short memory I though I would just add this line...

"Our next BETA patch is tentatively scheduled for two weeks from now for Friday the 17th, and the release version of it is scheduled for the Friday after that, June 24th."

Now I am off to the pub :D

[blackbirdslo]

Thanks!
Keep up the good work!

[louisv]

Thanks a lot :grin:

[adonys]

Thank you for the update, Luthier!

[kristorf]

Ta

[Kankkis]

Thanks for the info Luthier.

[baronWastelan]

Good to know you're still alive and kickin Ilya. Thanks for checking in with us.

[Mags]

See you on Tuesday then!
Have a nice weekend, guys.

[Redroach]

****** I knew it. I should've bet consistently on the worst cases.
Well, then, a new bet: Considering the "all we've said previously is implemented", I count on at least 3 major bugs, making the patch as worthless as the previous ones.

[Bloblast]

Thanks it's appreciated

[Insuber]

Does the patch fix the online disappearing sound bug ?

[Ataros]

Most importantly, online stability

Does it mean less server disconnects from Steam causing clients disconnects from server or other improvements?

[Das Attorney]

Thanks for keeping us updated :)

[No145_Hatter]

We’ve been pushing it out all day, but it’s just not coming out.

:o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pix-9h8SGDA

[Zorin]

1. Can the Minensuchboot 1935 actually deploy its mines or is it just eye candy?
2. Far more important, at what rate do you want to release new warships? When I bought this game in March there were NONE, now four month later there is ONE. At this rate, we will have the minimum of ship types for the BoB in 2014...

[Wolf]

Goddamn, I knew it. I should've bet consistently on the worst cases.
Well, then, a new bet: Considering the "all we've said previously is implemented", I count on at least 3 major bugs, making the patch as worthless as the previous ones.
Rather than sat on your lonely lil chair pretending to see into the future and spamming the forums all weekend with yur crap. find yurslef a female willing to be seen with you and have a blast of a weekend

[No145_Hatter]

Far more important

Really? That is the priority?

[Norseman]

THX alot for important..update ! ;-)

[furbs]

Thanks for the update...can we now run COOPs like IL2?

[Redroach]

Rather than sat on your lonely lil chair pretending to see into the future and spamming the forums all weekend with yur crap. find yurslef a female willing to be seen with you and have a blast of a weekend

Okay, then you're the guy that I can throw my CE into the face and get my money back? Plus emotional damages, of course.

[Vengeanze]

We’ve been pushing it out all day, but it’s just not coming out.

Denial: - "It can't be true. :shock: You're joking for sure?! Right?"
Anger: - "You little #*%*. YOU PROMISED!!!!!!.:evil:"
Bargaining: - "We don't care if it's not perfect as long as we can have it NOW! Gives us and we'll never complain again. :P"
Depression: - "I'll never fly again. :( Might as well kill myself. Life SUX"
Acceptance: - "Ho well. It's all for the best. See you tuesday.:)"

[Redroach]

Denial: - "It can't be true. :shock: You're joking for sure?! Right?"
Anger: - "You little #*%*. YOU PROMISED!!!!!!.:evil:"
Bargaining: - "We don't care if it's not perfect as long as we can have it NOW! Gives us and we'll never complain again. :P"
Depression: - "I'll never fly again. :( Might as well kill myself. Life SUX"
Acceptance: - "Ho well. It's all for the best. See you tuesday.:)"

I'm deeply into anger right now. I'm a 'calm guy', acknowledged by state and society, but that could change any minute.

[JG53Harti]

Thanks for the update...can we now run COOPs like IL2?

I do not think so, unfortunately. It would be good if 1C could implement it as soon as possible

[Ataros]

1. Can the Minensuchboot 1935 actually deploy its mines or is it just eye candy?
2. Far more important, at what rate do you want to release new warships? When I bought this game in March there were NONE, now four month later there is ONE. At this rate, we will have the minimum of ship types for the BoB in 2014...

This is a field where 3rd parties can show themselves as soon as SDK is released. Let the devs to concentrate on what no one else can do: new aircraft, FM, DM and engine core.

[flyingblind]

Thanks for info Luthier, will look forward to Tuesday. Lovely ship - I bet straffing the decks will create an impressive bang.

[steeldelete]

Thanks for the Info!

[TheEditor]

Rather than sat on your lonely lil chair pretending to see into the future and spamming the forums all weekend with yur crap. find yurslef a female willing to be seen with you and have a blast of a weekend

I think I'll just go with your idea and see if the wifes in the mood...:grin:

[smink1701]

Personally...don't care much about more ships and online stuff since I'm an offline player. Hope a sh_t load of stuff is fixed on Tuesday.

[Ze-Jamz]

well, thats that then

[JG52Uther]

Online stability.
Have you got rid of this steam cr*p and brought in il2/hyperlobby type multiplayer?

[Ze-Jamz]

Online stability.
Have you got rid of this steam cr*p and brought in il2/hyperlobby type multiplayer?

LOL, thats the joke of the day right there

we could only hope for such things

[kristorf]

I'm deeply into anger right now. I'm a 'calm guy', acknowledged by state and society, but that could change any minute.

Get over it, its a game for christ's sake, just a game

[Zorin]

really? That is the priority?

Learn that their 3d modelers dont work on the engine, FM or other stuff for crying out loud!

[Tree_UK]

Thanks for the update...can we now run COOPs like IL2?

Im sure that Coop's will be included in this patch, I could play coop's on my amiga playing Falcon so it's not rocket science. If not then please fix this asap Luthier it is very much wanted.

[tumu]

thx for info.

the game it's growing, nice!

[Zorin]

Reasonable request form:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=299076&postcount=166

[FlyingShark]

Thanks fo rthe heads up, Luthier.

~S~

[Redroach]

Get over it, its a game for christ's sake, just a game

save your breath on that. Still waiting for a single fixed thing in CoD. That was funny 6 weeks ago - now I'm envious on these workplaces where you get your money by sitting around the whole day and thinking about how you can put off the maximum number of buyers off CoD for the next week. Actually, the best job right now seems to be Team maddox's 'community contact'.

[rakinroll]

Thank you Luthier.

[T}{OR]

Thank you.

[Zorin]

My thought too.

So you are one of the offline players who likes to attack thin air in anti shipping missions? Interesting..always wondered what you guys are like...

[ATAG_Bliss]

Good stuff. Thanks!

[Blackdog_kt]

Thanks for the update...can we now run COOPs like IL2?

What do you mean exactly?
Not trying to be a smartass, it's a genuine question seeing as how the new multiplayer mode is a fusion of both DF and Coop and the mission designer is the one who chooses how to structure it.

I see this being brought up a lot and often and i just want to understand what's being asked for, because in my mind an IL2 coop was essentially "me and friends and/or AI vs others humans and/or other team's AI", which is already entirely possible in CoD :confused:

[Houndstone Hawk]

Personally...don't care much about more ships and online stuff since I'm an offline player. Hope a sh_t load of stuff is fixed on Tuesday.

+1. A bit worried (being an offline player) that m/player is going to get all the fore seeable treatment over just as crucial elements like rad commands, CEM & FM bugs, proper FMB manual, a non semi-concreted English Channel etc

[LcSummers]

So you are one of the offline players who likes to attack thin air in anti shipping missions? Interesting..always wondered what you guys are like...

Not really you Zorin.

:rolleyes:

[Houndstone Hawk]

So you are one of the offline players who likes to attack thin air in anti shipping missions? Interesting..always wondered what you guys are like...

Oh dear. School's kicked out early.

[Gamekeeper]

Thanks for update, now I can take it easy this weekend.

[Zorin]

Oh dear. School's kicked out early.

Pardon?

[RE77ACTION]

Thanks for the update and hard work! Can't wait till the beta is released...

[Buchon]

Thanks for the update :)

Keep the good work and have a nice and productive weekend http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/images/icons/icon14.gif

[BigPickle]

knew this was coming maybe I'm the next tree... stupid me no one can replace the master :grin:

Gutted, 1C your not inspiring hope much, pull me back in with a great patch guys!

[sallee]

Thanks! Look forward to it.

[Renny]

Ok this may get deleted...my boy is lead guitarist promised i spam it for him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk8SImemqLI

[FG28_Kodiak]

What do you mean exactly?
Not trying to be a smartass, it's a genuine question seeing as how the new multiplayer mode is a fusion of both DF and Coop and the mission designer is the one who chooses how to structure it.

I see this being brought up a lot and often and i just want to understand what's being asked for, because in my mind an IL2 coop was essentially "me and friends and/or AI vs others humans and/or other team's AI", which is already entirely possible in CoD :confused:

It's more a problem with the GUI, at the moment it's not possible for Clients to choose their Aircraft on the MAP, after choosing the side. The Map will not refresh, so you can't see any planes on it.
Second Problem you will only see the Planes on the Map, if you have enabled in game Map Icons, if not the planes are invisible.
What we need is the old Selection List of IL-2. So everybody can choose his plane and after that the host can start the battle. Thats all.

[ATAG_Doc]

It's a real hard being a combat fighter simmer when you suffer from IBS Luthier. But I have to admit now since this came along I am able to hold it longer than I have ever been able to before. Now I am sure with this patch it will enhance my enjoyment further thus allowing me to go less frequently. Thanks

[furbs]

What do you mean exactly?
Not trying to be a smartass, it's a genuine question seeing as how the new multiplayer mode is a fusion of both DF and Coop and the mission designer is the one who chooses how to structure it.

I see this being brought up a lot and often and i just want to understand what's being asked for, because in my mind an IL2 coop was essentially "me and friends and/or AI vs others humans and/or other team's AI", which is already entirely possible in CoD :confused:

Because as far as i know, CO-OPs like IL2 where you make a mission for say 16 people,the host starts picks and starts the mission, people join and all pick a plane and AI takes the rest, then the host runs the mission...etc etc...just isn't possible in COD yet.

At least as far as i know.

[SlipBall]

Dude... shut up. Go play WoP or something and leave your negative comments out of Luthiers posts. I hope you get 20 major bugs and your computer dies and you can never play this sim until you die. Please die quickly, I dont want to listen to you moaning about this for another 10 years...Worthless piece of s***



No reason for that here, keep a civil attitude:grin:

[Houndstone Hawk]

Dude... shut up. Go play WoP or something and leave your negative comments out of Luthiers posts. I hope you get 20 major bugs and your computer dies and you can never play this sim until you die. Please die quickly, I dont want to listen to you moaning about this for another 10 years...Worthless piece of s***

Wishing someone's life to come to an end because they post negative comments about a PC GAME that they're clearly unhappy with, in a forum, a place where points of view can be expressed? Jeez dude what kind of f^&*face are u?

Peeps wonder why I'm but a silent contributor to this forums. I don't agree with this guy either with his rant but that's his opinion, although unpopular to most; he's entitled to it. I don't seem to find myself wishing he'd keel over & die any second. Guess I'm different to you somehow.

[Ze-Jamz]

Lol Formula is pi$$ed today

[ATAG_Dutch]

Dude... shut up. Go play WoP or something and leave your negative comments out of Luthiers posts. I hope you get 20 major bugs and your computer dies and you can never play this sim until you die. Please die quickly, I dont want to listen to you moaning about this for another 10 years...Worthless piece of s***

Surely you must be joking? If something like that bothers you...obsessive compulsive disorder might be your problem.

Someone please delete this garbage.

Is someone a little unhappy that there was no patch today?:rolleyes:

I have to agree with Zorin that the portholes all along the side of the ship look decidedly haphazard!

[Redroach]

Dude... shut up. Go play WoP or something and leave your negative comments out of Luthiers posts. I hope you get 20 major bugs and your computer dies and you can never play this sim until you die. Please die quickly, I dont want to listen to you moaning about this for another 10 years...Worthless piece of s***

"please die quickly", hmm? So that there's no one that tries to keep you primates in check? 88, Dudeeeeeeeeeeeee!

<insert obligatory comment about TM's inabilities to use higher programming languages>

[Houndstone Hawk]

[QUOTE=Dutch_851;298691]Is someone a little unhappy that there was no patch today?:rolleyes:

UNHAPPY? Tw@t needs banning!!!!!

[Wolf]

Formula88 i think you need to chill out before that vein sticking out yur neck pops
I agree that his post was negative but i didn't stoop as low as you to wish he would die You really need to grow up or go see someone about that built up anger
Or maybe find a playmate for the weekend that finds all your jokes funny and thinks your right all the time

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

Yawn....:rolleyes:

[No1 Cheese]

Thanks for the update,1 day this sim will be the best there is,but there are some idiots about on this forum,really pathetic. We all know its downfalls.
Cheese

[Pudfark]

"please die quickly", hmm? So that there's no one that tries to keep you primates in check? 88, Dudeeeeeeeeeeeee!

<insert obligatory comment about TM's inabilities to use higher programming languages>

(Think Heavy Spanish Accent) "Dat's no waay to keeeel roacheees" ;)

My sentiments are similar to yours, Redroach....

[TonyD]

Thanks for the update, luthier :)

[mungee]

Many thanks for keeping us "in the loop" Luthier!

I'm sure I speak for many others when I say that I'm as keen as you guys to get on top of things and will be patient for as long as there's regular communication from your side - I'm 100% confident that the wait will be worth it!

Keep up the good work - you've got a "masterpiece" that just needs a little "polishing".

[mcmatt]

Personally...don't care much about more ships and online stuff since I'm an offline player. Hope a sh_t load of stuff is fixed on Tuesday.

+1

[Towarisch]

Hello Luthier and Team,

thank you so much for your work and time, to make this Sim of the Century:) better and better. All need his time;)- a German Sprichwort. Enjoyed the weekend so good how you can. And we see any time. toi...toi....toi<--good luck for your work



Towarisch

[Osprey]

A lot of nasty and unwarranted comments on here. Most unfortunate and I'd doubt that they have anything but a negative impact on the developers working on the product. It's pretty obvious that there is some way to go and I imagine that the development team are more than aware of that.

Quite pathetic really, the sort of tantrums I'd expect from a spoiled 8 year old. Why you people can't just play something else until it's ready is beyond me.

[skouras]

Thanks for the update
looking forward:grin:

[Strike]

Spaziba for update from mother russia

[Tigertooo]

Thanks for the update,1 day this sim will be the best there is,but there are some idiots about on this forum,really pathetic. We all know its downfalls.
Cheese
i second this

[Doc_uk]

Call that a warship, ive seen bigger rowing boats:rolleyes:
How about somthing for the british navy next patch plz:grin:

[Viper2000]

+1. A bit worried (being an offline player) that m/player is going to get all the fore seeable treatment over just as crucial elements like rad commands, CEM & FM bugs, proper FMB manual, a non semi-concreted English Channel etc

There are many orders in which stuff could be done.

The one thing you can be sure of is that whichever order they end up being done in the majority of the people will be unhappy with it, because the probability that your preferred order or my preferred order of all the tasks will be selected is extremely small.

Personally I've mostly written the sim off for a couple of months.

I'll have a look at the next release version, and then probably go back into hibernation until the next one - and so on until it reaches a genuine "release" standard.

I'm not particularly bothered by the fact that the game was released in a pre-release state, because I've been able to play it before I would otherwise have been able to. Indeed, it may well be that it was release early or release never, and I know which of those options I prefer.

However, I do think that it would have been better for all concerned if there had been more transparency about the situation, because it's not as though the problems were (or indeed are) small, subtle, or could reasonably be expected to escape the attention of players or reviewers.

Doubtless people would have been more understanding if the game had been released as a paid public beta rather than as a final release, especially if the early adopters had been given a discount to reflect the reduced value of the product at release.

That way, the people who are most bothered by the bugs could simply have opted to wait for a full release, paying full price, and the reviewers could have decided to either postpone their coverage, or else review it as a beta, which would have at least given them the opportunity to say some hopeful things about the final release (whereas they couldn't exactly say nice things about a "final" release that clearly wasn't ready, because if they did that for 1c then they'd be expected to do it for everybody else, quite apart from the fact that the average gamer wants their software to work "out of the box").

I don't want my money back for my CE or anything. But I really think that 1c should:


Not repeat this sort of avoidable communication fiasco in future - release a paid beta as such if necessary instead! The fans will pay to keep the genre alive, and everybody would at least know what they were getting into, which would take a lot of righteous indignation out of the equation.
Re-release the sim with new packaging and perhaps a new title when it is genuinely release-worthy, so that new reviews & publicity are generated.
The people who already bought the sim & shelved it will then be reminded to dust it off, patch it off, and finally enjoy the finished product.
The people who were put off by the bad reviews will then be able to read good reviews and buy the game.

[Romanator21]

Well, at least it was positive for the first page...On page two this thread tanked like all the others...

Thanks for the update Ilya. Although the new ship is German, destroyers tend to look the same. This is could still serve as a British escort for now. You should talk the the people from SHV and ask to copy over some ships :)

Don't get discouraged, your work IS appreciated. :)

[Baron]

Usual suspects voicing (vomiting) their "opinions", what a surprise.


Patch coming 4 days later than NOT promised and they practically commit group suicide. LoL

Thnx for helping me realize, finally, not to take any of it seriously, just laughing it of instead of actually responding to it.



Thx for the heads up Luthier .

[Ze-Jamz]

Usual suspects voicing (vomiting) their "opinions", what a surprise.


Patch coming 4 days later than NOT promised and they practically commit group suicide. LoL

Thnx for helping me realize, finally, not to take any of it seriously, just laughing it of instead of actually responding to it.



Thx for the heads up Luthier .

what...like you just have? :rolleyes:

Im still enjoying playing it regardless

[Ataros]

Not repeat this sort of avoidable communication fiasco in future - release a paid beta as such if necessary instead! The fans will pay to keep the genre alive, and everybody would at least know what they were getting into, which would take a lot of righteous indignation out of the equation.
Re-release the sim with new packaging and perhaps a new title when it is genuinely release-worthy, so that new reviews & publicity are generated.
The people who already bought the sim & shelved it will then be reminded to dust it off, patch it off, and finally enjoy the finished product.
The people who were put off by the bad reviews will then be able to read good reviews and buy the game.


1st decision is done by the publisher I think which is UBI for most of the world.

2nd is coming with Battle of Moscow or other add-ons the same way it was with original IL-2 (Aces addon, Pacific addon, 1946, etc).

However with new level of complexity and without Oleg things will develop much slower this time I guess. It would be wise not expect any quick break-throughs but in a couple of years all current wishes would be fulfilled I am sure including drivable submarines with perfectly correct textures.

[Redroach]

As I've stated before, my game ran reasonably well since release. And it the meantime, more bugs were introduced than were being fixed. Sorry that I don't have your boundless optimism with another release date missed (yes, I understand that it was tentative; its just that they could have made up for some things here...). Actually, I said yesterday that 'presumably, nothing' will happen today and I was right again - I don't want to be right on this!
So forgive me if I can't share your continued enthusiasm about the 'support' that's being provided until now. In fact, I'm pretty angry. But you got this already.

[Tempered]

Ok this may get deleted...my boy is lead guitarist promised i spam it for him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk8SImemqLI

I think this was the only worthwhile post in the entire thread. I'll help you spam it a bit more :)

[Ze-Jamz]

I think this was the only worthwhile post in the entire thread. I'll help you spam it a bit more :)

Agreed...

Fair play to them getting into it at such a young age...at at least they seem young to me

[ATAG_Doc]

Ok this may get deleted...my boy is lead guitarist promised i spam it for him



Mind if I reuse this music in a CoD video??

[Helrza]

Thanks for the update luthier :) look forward to next week when ya's release :)

[jg27_mc]

Thanks for the feedback. :)

One thing bothering me though... Counting the average numbers of pilots flying during the weekends, I am a little bit concerned about all the online driven agenda by MG.

Don't get me wrong any improvements in the software are welcome, I am one of the onliners that is having trouble. But judging the numbers, it seems that there´s far more people enjoying the game offline. Otherwise I think It would be fair to say that we should see at least 80+ pilots during prime-times over the weekends.

At this point, it seems that the majority of customers to satisfy (offline ones) are being forgotten... What do you guys think?

Regards.

[jg27_mc]

Have you seen the servers in the American evenings? Regularly I'll log in and see 2 people on Syndicate, 4 on Repko (combined), and another 2-4 on the AirQuake servers...

Disheartening really, but after people become comfortable in the game, and their respective a/c, I'm sure the numbers will pick up.

Indeed... Guess the fact that the simulation still not been officially launched in the US has it's weight. Here in Europe I never seen more than + - 45 pilots distributed for the few servers existent... However servers become empty in a blink, due to those awful steam disconnects.

I mean... How many copies of CloD were sold till now??? And how many of those, that bought the game, are flying online? 1% to 5%? :confused:

Being that said, I expect that MG start paying more attention (in the future) to aspects like enhance/increase the content, include a dynamic campaign or whatever they can add to the "package" to make the offline experience more rich.:cool:

Regards.

[jimbop]

I'm not particularly bothered by the fact that the game was released in a pre-release...

Good post, Viper2000. Sums up my attitude very well. I certainly would have paid for pre-release beta just to support development so I'm not overly troubled by the state of the game apart from as a matter or principle. Very little trust left, unfortunately. Hopefully the devs have learnt a bit about consumer engagement from the last few months and future releases will be handled better!

The patches are certainly going in the right direction and 1946 basically unplayable for me now in comparison; the game is already fundamentally strong. I'm very much looking forward to the servers filling up.

[SEE]

Same here, more than happy with CloD despite its bugs! Thanks for the update.

I tried MP (some time ago) - there was only one other player and I had a slide show so figured it would be better to wait untill the MP issues were resolved before trying again. Hopefully after the next patch!

[timholt]

Thanks for info Luthier, will look forward to Tuesday. Lovely ship - I bet straffing the decks will create an impressive bang.

Well if we can't sink sailing dinghys we won't be able to sink this mother.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Well if we can't sink sailing dinghys we won't be able to sink this mother.

Don't you understand? The glorious kriegsmarineis invincible! That why Germany managed to take over the world! ..... Oh! Wait a bit...... ;)




Luthier! Thanks for the update! It all l looks good from here!

[Grand_Armee]

Call that a warship, ive seen bigger rowing boats:rolleyes:
How about somthing for the british navy next patch plz:grin:

Gotta agree here. Before the BoB proper Churchill insisted on continuing to move coal through the Channel to maintain the image of British control of said channel. But without British escorts, it's not really a do-able scenario.

[NSU]

luthier, why a german "Minenleger" ship?
we need a english convoy cover Battleship!

[desastersoft]

Ilya, here in Germany we realy wonder, how far away you are from knowing Gameplay Issus.

Still missing the essential Things:

Promotion System for offline Gameplay
Medal System for Offline Gameplay
Correct Flags ingame (The German Colours in WWII were note Black/Red/Gold, it was Black White Red)
British Destroyer for Convoy Cover (you doing a German Mine Layer Boat... Crazy to see how far away MG is from Customers)
Still no Third Party Support, no answers on E-Mails and so waisting Manpower and such things.
No Bf 109 E-4, the most used Variant in the BoB, because close to all E-3 were fitted to E-4 Standard till August 1940. But instead: Gladiator Bi-Plane, Never saw Combat in the BoB. And italian Planes. Nice to see them but: Only 1 (!!!) Combat with them to deal and this was November 11th 1940 (britisch Counting of BoB is Juli 10th till October 31st).
No possibility to implement Movies into Campaigns
No Documentation for FMB
No working Weather
No working Landscape in Higher Mode (yes, Original Textures killing Performance again. Good Work, Ilya!)

Sometimes we think, that you focus on wrong ways far away from customers satisfaction to own wishes. We offered you support now three times. But no answers.

And for this, Read again the Statements of German Customers on Amazon.de:

http://www.amazon.de/IL-2-Sturmovik-Cliffs-of-Dover/dp/B004JM5C6W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1308372458&sr=1-1

Cheers
Sven, Olaf, Dimitri, Christian and Thomas

Forgot to say: Still no Commanding of Wing, Wingmen oranything that Radio needed!!!

[LcSummers]

Thanks for the feedback. :)

One thing bothering me though... Counting the average numbers of pilots flying during the weekends, I am a little bit concerned about all the online driven agenda by MG.

Don't get me wrong any improvements in the software are welcome, I am one of the onliners that is having trouble. But judging the numbers, it seems that there´s far more people enjoying the game offline. Otherwise I think It would be fair to say that we should see at least 80+ pilots during prime-times over the weekends.

At this point, it seems that the majority of customers to satisfy (offline ones) are being forgotten... What do you guys think?

Regards.



That is what i meant and i think Zorin didnt understood me.

I for myself thinking most sim pilots here are flying offline like me. There is a good reason fot it.

First of all i want a game wich was in the beta patch phase. It was wonderful to fly, nearly everything set to HIGH but the new patch 14550 destroyed everything for me.

When those bugs are ironed out and i am possible to fly the aircraft with full CEM (i do only flying with CEM), hopefully handling it perfectly, then i will join online servers too. But until it isnt i will not joining servers. That is only my point of view.

It seems that development is concentrated mostly on MP. Hopefully i am wrong because i love this sim and i enjoyed it. It doesn t matter for me to wait four more days but i would like to see that SP is supported the same way as MP.

As i said thats my point if view, maybe wrong.

Cheers


LC



PS: Sorry Luthier i forgot to thank you for the new update!!!! Looking forward on Tuesday with SP improvements too.

[Steuben]

Iam pretty sure that a lot more People would be seen online if the game would be supported by Hyperlobby, where we would have a general chat to invite people to self made campaigns and coops! And there we have the other major problem with this game, no working coops, coop campaigns in multiplayer possible! The sound bug is a big Problem too!


@desastersoft You hit the nail on its head with your post!!!!!

[Foo'bar]

A Minensuchboot 1935, so called "Channel Destroyer".

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101II-MW-5896-33%2C_Frankreich%2C_Minensuchboot.jpg

[csThor]

Ilya, here in Germany we realy wonder, how far away you are from knowing Gameplay Issus.

Still missing the essential Things:

Promotion System for offline Gameplay
Medal System for Offline Gameplay
Correct Flags ingame (The German Colours in WWII were note Black/Red/Gold, it was Black White Red)
British Destroyer for Convoy Cover (you doing a German Mine Layer Boat... Crazy to see how far away MG is from Customers)
Still no Third Party Support, no answers on E-Mails and so waisting Manpower and such things.
No Bf 109 E-4, the most used Variant in the BoB, because close to all E-3 were fitted to E-4 Standard till August 1940. But instead: Gladiator Bi-Plane, Never saw Combat in the BoB. And italian Planes. Nice to see them but: Only 1 (!!!) Combat with them to deal and this was November 11th 1940 (britisch Counting of BoB is Juli 10th till October 31st).
No possibility to implement Movies into Campaigns
No Documentation for FMB
No working Weather
No working Landscape in Higher Mode (yes, Original Textures killing Performance again. Good Work, Ilya!)

Sometimes we think, that you focus on wrong ways far away from customers satisfaction to own wishes. We offered you support now three times. But no answers.

And for this, Read again the Statements of German Customers on Amazon.de:

http://www.amazon.de/IL-2-Sturmovik-Cliffs-of-Dover/dp/B004JM5C6W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1308372458&sr=1-1

Cheers
Sven, Olaf, Dimitri, Christian and Thomas

It is indeed very ironic to see the first warship in CloD in the form of the german Minensuchboot M1935. As such, however, it does fit with the weird choices of additions Maddox Games has made since Il-2 Sturmovik 1.0 (i.e. MiG-3U, I-153P).

I do, however, agree with desastersoft in one point specifically: I know you're not Oleg, Ilya. You probably do a lot of things a lot differently. But the inability to at least establish contact just to offer help with certain points is somewhat galling. You do remember the unit check I made? I spent half a week going through the files you sent me - added, corrected and fixed a number of small issues. But till this day I got no reply and I did send it via three different channels, probably ten times now. You must be aware that you guys can't fix all the issues on your own at the same time. People are offering help and yet there is no feedback. This is disappointing, to say the least.

[Khamsin]

As I've stated before, my game ran reasonably well since release. And it the meantime, more bugs were introduced than were being fixed. Sorry that I don't have your boundless optimism with another release date missed (yes, I understand that it was tentative; its just that they could have made up for some things here...). Actually, I said yesterday that 'presumably, nothing' will happen today and I was right again - I don't want to be right on this!
So forgive me if I can't share your continued enthusiasm about the 'support' that's being provided until now. In fact, I'm pretty angry. But you got this already.

Then go somewhere else for a few weeks until you cool down.

NOBODY on this forum wants to hear your whining any more. You add nothing of any worth to the discussion .... your behaviour is simply childish.... nothing more.

[Tree_UK]

Thanks for the feedback. :)

One thing bothering me though... Counting the average numbers of pilots flying during the weekends, I am a little bit concerned about all the online driven agenda by MG.

Don't get me wrong any improvements in the software are welcome, I am one of the onliners that is having trouble. But judging the numbers, it seems that there´s far more people enjoying the game offline. Otherwise I think It would be fair to say that we should see at least 80+ pilots during prime-times over the weekends.

At this point, it seems that the majority of customers to satisfy (offline ones) are being forgotten... What do you guys think?

Regards.

I have to agree, the biggest annoyance with online play at the moment as I see it is the lack of sound, spending time fixing all the other online issues are pointless unless the sound issue is fixed, lets be honest who whould fly on line with no sound. Its my understanding that the sound issues are months away from a fix, so this current proposed patch really helps very few people, maybe if luthier visited here more often he would get a clearer picture of what we want fixing.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Sometimes we think, that you focus on wrong ways far away from customers satisfaction to own wishes. We offered you support now three times. But no answers.


Who's "we" Kimosabe?

Maybe you should be more specific so that others don't think your trying to speak for the whole community. Your not.


Still no Third Party Support, no answers on E-Mails and so waisting Manpower and such things.


Could you please explain what your on about here?


Although some of the things you listed would be nice to have, not many are high on my priority list.

I do hope they have a realistic explosion when that mine layer goes up with a deck full of mines! That would be cool! Also for a bit of variation could you include the larger motor launch on the back of the Mine layer as a seperate ship object. I like it a lot more that the other open boat objects

cheers!

[Osprey]

And a request to those German fliers who keep requesting the E4. Could you also request the most common variant, the E1. For some reason you don't seem to complain, I can't think why exactly.......... Do you want a sim or do you just want to have as many advantages as possible?

[Ataros]

Offline is playable for some time already: you can fire up FMB and have whatever experience you want offline.

Online is not playable as good yet: sound does not work, Steam disconnects servers every hour, interface does not allow players to join servers. These are the reason for low online players numbers.

Thus MG knows what priorities are in terms of online vs. offline and working on them.

[Osprey]

Ok this may get deleted...my boy is lead guitarist promised i spam it for him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk8SImemqLI

It's a nice song and good luck with it, hope they do a 'Paramore'. Song looks a bit of piss to play, your boy will no doubt be an awesome guitarist one day all the same.......but you shouldn't be posting really dude - using your boy as an excuse too, tut tut tut........;)

Something I chuckle at tbh, I guess it's an adolescent thing but whenever I see bands this young the boys always find a female singer - they just don't seem to have the balls to do it at that age lol Later on females fronting a band are few, the lads take over.

Totally off topic, but more pleasant that the whining junk already posted.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Offline is playable for some time already: you can fire up FMB and have whatever experience you want offline.

Online is not playable as good yet: sound does not work, Steam disconnects servers every hour, interface does not allow players to join servers. These are the reason for low online players numbers.

Thus MG knows what priorities are in terms of online vs. offline and working on them.

And even with the sound problems and all the other issues, playing multiplayer on servers like Repka has been some of the most immersive online play I've had.

Many, Many thanks to the talented individuals that set up these servers and craft the missions.

Cheers!

[robtek]

And a request to those German fliers who keep requesting the E4. Could you also request the most common variant, the E1. For some reason you don't seem to complain, I can't think why exactly.......... Do you want a sim or do you just want to have as many advantages as possible?

If you fly red you might not wish that blue gets the E1!!
In CoD the machine-guns have a realistic destructive power and when the wing guns and the
fuselage guns in the E1 have the same ballistics they will be devastating!
I, for my part, made many more kills with the mg than with the cannons.

cheers
robtek

[addman]

Thanks for the feedback. :)

One thing bothering me though... Counting the average numbers of pilots flying during the weekends, I am a little bit concerned about all the online driven agenda by MG.

Don't get me wrong any improvements in the software are welcome, I am one of the onliners that is having trouble. But judging the numbers, it seems that there´s far more people enjoying the game offline. Otherwise I think It would be fair to say that we should see at least 80+ pilots during prime-times over the weekends.

At this point, it seems that the majority of customers to satisfy (offline ones) are being forgotten... What do you guys think?

Regards.

First of all thank you Luthier for the update looking forward to the beta-patch for the beta version of CloD. Back to the quote above, I also feel the single player part of the game is being neglected. It's just my opinion because I'm a 92% offline player. For the moment there's no reason for me to boot up the game, nothing that draws me in. As I've said before, making every mission for myself is very tiring and unrewarding. I haven't given up hope in the game but I just don't care so much any more, at least the multiplayer crowd will have a fully functioning game soon, good for them. I don't have any numbers but I guess MG are prioritizing MP because more people are playing online? I'll check out the game again when there is some form of campaign system with all the stuff that goes with it, not holding my breath though ;).

[Ze-Jamz]

If you fly red you might not wish that blue gets the E1!!
In CoD the machine-guns have a realistic destructive power and when the wing guns and the
fuselage guns in the E1 have the same ballistics they will be devastating!
I, for my part, made many more kills with the mg than with the cannons.

cheers
robtek


I'd have to agree, I think 2 more MG's on that bird would be more damaging than what is there at the moment, don't get me wrong when you do manage to get some hits on with cannons and flame someone it's a great feeling but I too score more hits with those MG's

Adding another 2 would be sweet..I'm no expert on performance difference between the E-1 & E-4 however

[VO101_Tom]

If you fly red you might not wish that blue gets the E1!!
In CoD the machine-guns have a realistic destructive power and when the wing guns and the
fuselage guns in the E1 have the same ballistics they will be devastating!
I, for my part, made many more kills with the mg than with the cannons.

cheers
robtek

+1
MG-FF Cannons shaking the plane, can't aim with it. And compared with MG17, its weak (or just missing the /M shells). Most of time i dont use it. Only in very close combat.

[335th_GRAthos]

****** I knew it. I should've bet consistently on the worst cases.
Well, then, a new bet: Considering the "all we've said previously is implemented", I count on at least 3 major bugs, making the patch as worthless as the previous ones.


I have to cut the lawn, walk the dog and bring the coffee machine for service.
I will not do any of that because the new patch will fix everything ;)



...maybe

[naz]

Who's "we" Kimosabe?

Maybe you should be more specific so that others don't think your trying to speak for the whole community. Your not.

Could you please explain what your on about here?...


I believe the guys from Desastersoft are a third party developer mate and have addons in the works for Clod (Campaigns etc). What he "is on about" is, I suspect, a growing frustration in finding it difficult to get any feedback from Maddox Games. And from the sounds of it, any replies whatsoever to emails and offers of help? For what its worth, when he says "we" I suspect he is referring to their team, and not the games userbase/fanbase as a whole.

If what he says is true, things doesn't sound promising I guess.

Still, I await the games future improvement...hoping it reaches the heights it has the potential to do.

[whatnot]

Thanks for the update Luthier and keep the updates coming!

What I would really like to see with all the talent and passion out there is a mechanism for community created content to be added in the official package once the SDK etc is out. Skins, campaigns, missions, planes, ships.. whatever the SDK will allow to create. Ofcourse there needs to be high standards for such content, but it would ensure the versions people have don't get too fragmented and limit the online possibilities due to security checks. Especially as the online player base is pretty slim at the moment.

But yes, those are future hopes and dreams.. focus on fundamentals now.


Usual suspects voicing (vomiting) their "opinions", what a surprise.

Patch coming 4 days later than NOT promised and they practically commit group suicide. LoL

You wish! If that would be true it would take only one delay of a non-promised schedule to cut out the whine-weed from these forums for good.

It's hard to understand that after such a series of dissapointments with the title they still find the energy to be the most active posters around the forums leaving a trail of tears which ever thread they pass by. That must be masochism of some sort.

[shabir]

whether this patch is a no?

Today is 18 June and further updates on Steam do not have: (

[VO101_Tom]

And a request to those German fliers who keep requesting the E4. Could you also request the most common variant, the E1. For some reason you don't seem to complain, I can't think why exactly.......... Do you want a sim or do you just want to have as many advantages as possible?

Luthier said it earlier already, that it E-1 and it E-4 will get into the game. What would it be necessary to ask this for after these? The E-1 is simple.
Anyway, we don't know, that the E-4 with what kind of equipments arrive. We talk about it, let it not be necessary to ask it later, if something would be left out.

[Manuc]

great, a new german ship. Thanks you for your hard work to make this already great sim better and better

[whatnot]

You must be aware that you guys can't fix all the issues on your own at the same time. People are offering help and yet there is no feedback. This is disappointing, to say the least.

This is weird for me too. Through the community they could get hundreds of hours of extra work force that is dedicated and knowledgeable on the topic.

This is speculation ofcourse, but I think it originates from the same bucket as the challenges with communication in general. Those two would be easy and low hanging fruits to harvest, but profound issues in the release have created walls of urgent extra work. This has a tendency of creating a stress driven tunnel-vision where focus is pinpointed only to the next milestone like the eye of Sauron. In this mode the easy wins are often not identified or prioritized high enough as they're not a concrete step in achiving the next objective which is the next patch atm.

I've been there myself and observed this happen around me too. It is an effective way in achieving the next milestone, but can have dramatic adverse effects for a longer term efficiency as you're looking only at the current 'battle' at hand instead of the 'war' as a whole.

And again, just speculation, but the variables in the equation could support such an analysis. And what the hell, as there isn't a patch nor a Q&A going on here one might as well spend the time on assumptions and innuendos. :grin:

[whatnot]

whether this patch is a no?

Today is 18 June and further updates on Steam do not have: (

Experiencing some challenges reading the first post by luthier?

"We’ve been pushing it out all day, but it’s just not coming out."

"We plan to work on it over the weekend, test internally on Monday, and release the beta on Tuesday."

[Skoshi Tiger]

I believe the guys from Desastersoft are a third party developer mate and have addons in the works for Clod (Campaigns etc). What he "is on about" is I suspect a growing frustration in finding it difficult to get any feedback from Maddox Games. And from the sounds of it, any replies whatsoever to emails and offers of help? For what its worth, when he says "we" I suspect he is referring to their team, and not the games userbase/fanbase as a whole.

If what he says is true, things doesn't sound promising I guess.

Still, I await the games future improvement...hoping it reaches the heights it has the potential to do.

If they are a 'third party' developer they chose a very unusual place to discuss their financial arrangements with MG. Maybe it is their attitude (ie venting on a public forum) which is the cause of lack of communication from MG? Who knows? Certainly not me.

One thing I do know is that if you offer unsolicited advice, you shouldn't get offended if the recipient ignores you. That's just the way of the world and transcends all cultural boundaries.

Also any manpower they are wasting is their own choice based upon the possiblity of future reward. I doubt MG will release their SDK's until they are ready to be released. They will just have to deal with that.

Now before today I've never even heard of a Minensuchboot 1935, but with over 65 examples built up to 1940 I expect they were fairly common.

http://www.german-navy.de/kriegsmarine/ships/minehunter/mboot35/ships.html

Cheers!

[Feathered_IV]

Always liked the looks of those racy little M class minesweepers

[luthier]

Luthier, please get your texture guy in on Saturday to fix this obvious flaw in the Minensuchboot texture.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/ZorinW/mboot.jpg

Honestly, the only ship you release new and the texture is not even done properly?

I find in my own experience that it's best to know what you're talking about before speaking. Especially in public.

In ship building in general, and with this ship specifically, you don't line up portholes with the ceiling but rather with the deck. In the German minelayer pictured, the forecastle deck is not parallel with the main deck. This creates the effect you are seeing.

A quick google search would have given you all the information you need.


And yes, the mines are fully operational. They are an optional cargo you can load in FMB. You will then set waypoints to drop a given number of mines, which are also working and will explode and damage or sink ships.

The only concession is that all mines will float, which we feel is acceptable in a flight sim.

[Ivan Fooker]

I just cant read anything about the sound bug in the "changelog" ,that was posted 2 weeks ago ...
That bug is imho the most reason for small numbers on servers.
Although they want to do the sound from scratch,and although it shall take a few months...,there should at least be a hotfix to gain some fun again on servers.

Take a cuppa tea ,count the stains on the wall and wait for things to happen....:)

[Doc_uk]

I find in my own experience that it's best to know what you're talking about before speaking. Especially in public.

In ship building in general, and with this ship specifically, you don't line up portholes with the ceiling but rather with the deck. In the German minelayer pictured, the forecastle deck is not parallel with the main deck. This creates the effect you are seeing.

A quick google search would have given you all the information you need.


And yes, the mines are fully operational. They are an optional cargo you can load in FMB. You will then set waypoints to drop a given number of mines, which are also working and will explode and damage or sink ships.

The only concession is that all mines will float, which we feel is acceptable in a flight sim.
Thats all very well giving us a german ship, but how are the british ment to defend against this? plus the fact as stated befor, If you cant destroy a fishing boat with your plane, How are you ment to detroy this?

[Rattlehead]

I like the new ship. Looks very nice.

[Romanator21]

What situation are we talking about? What kind of bombs, and how many, are you using?

[bongodriver]

wasn't blowing up ships the whole idea behind 'silent hunter'? last time I checked this was a flight sim and was meant to be based on the aerial battles between aircraft....i.e. dogfighting etc, sure more objects are a welcome addition for immersion blah blah.....but I was amazed to see the post on the new ship texture wasn't a joke.....seriously? some portholes apparently don't line up and someone practically has a stroke over it?

[Gamekeeper]

Luthier thanks for taking the time to post this morning.

Overall your recent updates and road plan appear to concentrate on multiplayer, I'm sure your team are hard at work developing all aspects of the game can you offer any insight into single player improvements?

What is the progress re a community manager?

[Abbeville-Boy]

I find in my own experience that it's best to know what you're talking about before speaking. Especially in public.

In ship building in general, and with this ship specifically, you don't line up portholes with the ceiling but rather with the deck. In the German minelayer pictured, the forecastle deck is not parallel with the main deck. This creates the effect you are seeing.

A quick google search would have given you all the information you need.


And yes, the mines are fully operational. They are an optional cargo you can load in FMB. You will then set waypoints to drop a given number of mines, which are also working and will explode and damage or sink ships.

The only concession is that all mines will float, which we feel is acceptable in a flight sim.

this is true in ship building
the mines will be cool, thanks

[Tree_UK]

Luthier thanks for taking the time to post this morning.

Overall your recent updates and road plan appear to concentrate on multiplayer, I'm sure your team are hard at work developing all aspects of the game can you offer any insight into single player improvements?

What is the progress re a community manager?

The community manager as been installed but it was found in beta testing that his head was too small for the office, when his head was enlarged it was clipping into the ladies toilet which is not acceptable.

[bongodriver]

with all the bitching and whining in this community it probably has been deemed unmanageable.

[naz]

If they are a 'third party' developer they chose a very unusual place to discuss their financial arrangements with MG. Maybe it is their attitude (ie venting on a public forum) which is the cause of lack of communication from MG? Who knows? Certainly not me.

One thing I do know is that if you offer unsolicited advice, you shouldn't get offended if the recipient ignores you. That's just the way of the world and transcends all cultural boundaries.

Also any manpower they are wasting is their own choice based upon the possiblity of future reward. I doubt MG will release their SDK's until they are ready to be released. They will just have to deal with that.

Cheers!

Can't say I'd disagree with you to be honest...was just passing on who I understood Desastersoft are.

[Doc_uk]

wasn't blowing up ships the whole idea behind 'silent hunter'? last time I checked this was a flight sim and was meant to be based on the aerial battles between aircraft....i.e. dogfighting etc, sure more objects are a welcome addition for immersion blah blah.....but I was amazed to see the post on the new ship texture wasn't a joke.....seriously? some portholes apparently don't line up and someone practically has a stroke over it?

The battle of britian was not just about aerial combat
Read this, and enlighting yourself
http://www.iwm.org.uk/upload/package/27/battleofbritain/phase1.htm

[bongodriver]

The battle of britian was not just about aerial combat
Read this, and enlighting yourself
http://www.iwm.org.uk/upload/package/27/battleofbritain/phase1.htm

Never said it was all about aerial combat, I just said this sim is fucussed on the aerial dogfighting aspect, no enlightenment needed here.

[6BL Bird-Dog]

Call that a warship, ive seen bigger rowing boats:rolleyes:
How about somthing for the british navy next patch plz:grin:

+1 Thanks for the update, luthier

[Ze-Jamz]

the community manager as been installed but it was found in beta testing that his head was too small for the office, when his head was enlarged it was clipping into the ladies toilet which is not acceptable.

lol

[Zorin]

I find in my own experience that it's best to know what you're talking about before speaking. Especially in public.

In ship building in general, and with this ship specifically, you don't line up portholes with the ceiling but rather with the deck. In the German minelayer pictured, the forecastle deck is not parallel with the main deck. This creates the effect you are seeing.

A quick google search would have given you all the information you need.


And yes, the mines are fully operational. They are an optional cargo you can load in FMB. You will then set waypoints to drop a given number of mines, which are also working and will explode and damage or sink ships.

The only concession is that all mines will float, which we feel is acceptable in a flight sim.

Sorry that I only looked at official blueprints that clearly show that I am right, along with every single photograph... but if you want to bitch about with your community like that, be my guest.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/ZorinW/mboot1.jpg

[bongodriver]

sad...

[Sauf]

We get a ship that actually drops mines that work and we are whining about the porthole placement???? Honestly, take a good hard look at yourselves ffs, let the devs work on fixing the game without all the negative "its all about ME!" crap.

[bongodriver]

We get a ship that actually drops mines that work and we are whining about the porthole placement???? Honestly, take a good hard look at yourselves ffs, let the devs work on fixing the game without all the negative "its all about ME!" crap.

'AHMEN' to that...........

[Zorin]

We get a ship that actually drops mines that work and we are whining about the porthole placement???? Honestly, take a good hard look at yourselves ffs, let the devs work on fixing the game without all the negative "its all about ME!" crap.

That is exactly the same as saying: We get a Spitfire, I don't care if it is hardcoded to be painted pink with flowers all over it.

Simple as that.

[Winger]

Sorry that I only looked at official blueprints that clearly show that I am right, along with every single photograph... but if you want to bitch about with your community like that, be my guest.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/ZorinW/mboot1.jpg

Sorry but i would understand being concerned about things like that if the game was out 2 years already and everything else would be right. But currently there are clearly more important issues that need to be sorted before something like that.

Winger

[bongodriver]

That is exactly the same as saying: We get a Spitfire, I don't care if it is hardcoded to be painted pink with flowers all over it.

Simple as that.

No it's more like saying 'lets make a flight sim but make sure we waste huge amounts of time and resource making sure extraneous details like ships are perfect and correct, just because a few rivet countrs might get upset'

[Zorin]

Sorry but i would understand being concerned about things like that if the game was out 2 years already and everything else would be right. But currently there are clearly more important issues that need to be sorted before something like that.

Winger

Please, enlighten me, what is there to be sorted by their 3D objects texture artists with a higher priority?

When, for the love of god, will you learn that not everyone who works for them can fix the game engine, FM, GUI or net code. They have 3d modelers and texture artists only working on this, so it is perfectly alright to ask for them to fix this.

[Zorin]

No it's more like saying 'lets make a flight sim but make sure we waste huge amounts of time and resource making sure extraneous details like ships are perfect and correct, just because a few rivet countrs might get upset'

Fixing this takes ONE texture artist less than 30 minutes. Get over it for pete's sake.

[bongodriver]

Get over it for pete's sake.

my thought exactly! I'm sorry that a couple of supposed misaligned portholes distract you too much from a good rocket polishing session....be carefull you don't make the pages of your lovely blueprints book too sticky.

[Zorin]

my thought exactly! I'm sorry that a couple of supposed misaligned portholes distract you too much from a good rocket polishing session....be carefull you don't make the pages of your lovely blueprints book too sticky.

Thank you for proving you are a pitiful person. Resorting to personal insults is a clear indication of being unable to solve a matter like this like a mature person worth my consideration.

[bongodriver]

No insult implied, I just assumed you were a meticulous person who liked things perfect and polished, and would't want to see a wonderfull resource like accurate blueprints ruined by an accidental splashing of polishing fluid.....

[jg27_mc]

There are posts and issues raised, that, IMHO, defies common sense. This simulation has already considerable complexity in it (CEM, DM, FM, etc.). For an instance, I am still over the learning curve that will lead me to master the 109. How many flyable do we have to choose from? And how many time do we need to master each one of them?

It's a complete nonsense asking for new planes at this point, when the devs have plenty of work to do regarding other (far more important) issues. I don't care about E1 or E4 or other aircraft for that mater. The thing we really need are the fixes/tweaks in the FM, DM, CEM of the existent set, not to mention the performance of the software itself.

Let's face it, launching more aircraft will only make things worse, at the cost of not fixing what is left behind and creating even more problems/bugs! The devs already have more than enough work to deal with.

I hope MG will only focuses in the following items:

a) Tune (to near perfection :-P) all the existent content for both SP & MP.

b) Eventually (along the process) add all the content that is currently missing and it shouldn't. (I know, this one is debatable...)

c) Don't waste time and resources with anything else until a) and b) are complied.


Regards.

[Bewolf]

Great news in regard to the patch. Can't wait till Tuesday to check it out. The game by now is fun to play, luckily, so every update now is an additional bonus, thanks a lot for the honest effort.

Btw, in my work experience texture artists these days are mostly freelancers, hired for certain periods of time and let go once a specific job is done. The art director most of the time has other stuff to do then sit down to fix a couple rivets, 30 minutes or not.

P.S. Fix current FMs and add the Minengeschoss, and I am perfectly happy with the plane set as it is.

[VO101_Tom]

...It's a complete nonsense asking for new planes at this point, when the devs have plenty of work to do regarding other (far more important) issues. I don't care about E1 or E4 or other aircraft for that mater. The thing we really need are the fixes/tweaks in the FM, DM, CEM of the existent set, not to mention the performance of the software itself. ...

I agree, but ist totally different jobs. Who make the core code, the UI, probably he never make planes in 3ds max... :rolleyes:

[Winger]

Please, enlighten me, what is there to be sorted by their 3D objects texture artists with a higher priority?

When, for the love of god, will you learn that not everyone who works for them can fix the game engine, FM, GUI or net code. They have 3d modelers and texture artists only working on this, so it is perfectly alright to ask for them to fix this.

I am not sure if in such a small team everyone is a totally dedicated specialist... Its more likely that most of the people working there are able to do many diffrent things. Also looking for such small thing that you will in fact NEVER EVER see during normal gameplay is just sick. Really.
In germany we call people like that "erbsenzähler" translated something like "peacounters":)

Winger

[Zorin]

I am not sure if in such a small team everyone is a totally dedicated specialist... Its more likely that most of the people working there are able to do many diffrent things. Also looking for such small thing that you will in fact NEVER EVER see during normal gameplay is just sick. Really.
In germany we call people like that "erbsenzähler" translated something like "peacounters":)

Winger

Das hat nichts mit Erbsenzählerei zu tun... Nur entweder man macht was richtig, oder gar nicht. So einfach ist das.

[bongodriver]

Das hat nichts mit Erbsenzählerei zu tun... Nur entweder man macht was richtig, oder gar nicht. So einfach ist das.

You may be correct....maybe not (I guess your blueprints are the bible), but the point is it is really a low priority issue and that 'is' fact.

[Zorin]

You may be correct....maybe not (I guess your blueprints are the bible), but the point is it is really a low priority issue and that 'is' fact.

They build the ship based on the blueprints, so yes, I think it won't get any better than that. Though I am still amazed you lot don't get that for a texture artist, his textures are top priority. Maybe in the overall picture it is just a tiny fraction of th whole, but nonetheless, it needs fixing.

[bongodriver]

it needs fixing.

maybe...if indeed it is absolutely proved that you are totally correct (I would like to see one of the photos you mentioned)...but even so it doesn't need fixing before so much other stuff, I and I am sure many others are amazed you have made such a fuss over nothing (nothing likely to affect gameplay in a flight sim)

[Zorin]

maybe...if indeed it is absolutely proved that you are totally correct (I would like to see one of the photos you mentioned)...but even so it doesn't need fixing before so much other stuff, I and I am sure many others are amazed you have made such a fuss over nothing (nothing likely to affect gameplay in a flight sim)

You guys made a fuss of it by throwing a tantrum that I even dared to mention it. If Luthier had just aknowledged it as a problem and that they would fix it it would have been done and over with within two forum posts. So don't blame this on me.

[bongodriver]

initially I paid your original post no attention, I really believed it to be a joke of some kind highlighting the kind of 'anal' freaks we encounter on these forums, you even demanded Luthier 'gets the texture guy in on saturday' which is disgustingly rude if not a joke.

Right or wrong the devs have plenty of time to sort stuff like that out in future, perhaps the SDK's will allow us to make those corrections ourselves (this is what I am praying for soon)

p.s. for what it's worth, after a quick google myself I am inclined to agree with you on the portholes placement, but I won't be loosing sleep over it

[Winger]

They build the ship based on the blueprints, so yes, I think it won't get any better than that. Though I am still amazed you lot don't get that for a texture artist, his textures are top priority. Maybe in the overall picture it is just a tiny fraction of th whole, but nonetheless, it needs fixing.

Noone is arguing that.:) No need to discuss that any more. Just wasted time. Devs will do what they consider urgent anyways.

Winger

[Orpheus]

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/kmh/lowres/kmhn57l.jpg

[Zorin]

I find in my own experience that it's best to know what you're talking about before speaking. Especially in public.

I don't want to be bitchy, I never been with my feedback (remember the wrong pitot tube and misplaced loop antenna on the Bf110?), but maybe you should take your own advice to heart and better check your reference first, because I always do.

My final word on this. As requested photographs and blueprint. I want to see anyone argue with this definite prove.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/ZorinW/mboot1.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/ZorinW/mboot2.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/ZorinW/mboot3.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/ZorinW/mboot4.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/ZorinW/mboot5.jpg

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/ZorinW/mboot6.jpg

I have lots more photographs if you still think that I am wrong...


Blueprints: http://www.dreadnoughtproject.org/plans/KM_Minensuchboot_35_1937/

Photographs: Marine Arsenal - Minensuchboote 1935 - Entwicklung und Einsatz (MA 47) (book)

[Trumper]

Sorry that I only looked at official blueprints that clearly show that I am right, along with every single photograph... but if you want to bitch about with your community like that, be my guest.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/ZorinW/mboot1.jpg

This is a ship BUT it is the fact that this sort of thing has happened since day 1 even with the offer of help.Spitfire cockpit proven to be incorrect,people shouted down about it,map inaccuracies and professional map makers have offered to make it correct but no,,it's not the fact it's a ship it's the fact of not listening and accepting help.

[bongodriver]

This is a ship BUT it is the fact that this sort of thing has happened since day 1 even with the offer of help.Spitfire cockpit proven to be incorrect,people shouted down about it,map inaccuracies and professional map makers have offered to make it correct but no,,it's not the fact it's a ship it's the fact of not listening and accepting help.

would be a little unorthodox.....Ferrari won't shorten the waiting list or reduce the price if you volunteered to help build it.
if they start accepting help for no remuneration it will piss off alot of professional developers who are doing it for a living and paying employed or freelance programmers/artists etc.......

it sounds wonderfull in theory but it's probably a whole lot of aggro in reality

[Romanator21]

Zorin, let's face it, you came across in your posts like a dickhead. If you had politely pointed out the flaws, everything would be OK. Instead:


Luthier, please get your texture guy in on Saturday to fix this obvious flaw in the Minensuchboot texture.

Honestly, the only ship you release new and the texture is not even done properly?

The guys are working practically 7 days a week...people get tired and make mistakes. You seem to contend that this is a major, and as you put it "obvious" flaw (which no one else saw but you), and you seem to want the artist sacked. Frankly that's ridiculous.

... but if you want to bitch about with your community like that, be my guest.


Luthier stood up for his artists. Instead you take personal injury to that and write to the lead developer that he's bitchy? What is wrong with you?

Putting myself in the Team's shoes, I would simply quit on a project that we had made huge sacrifices for if barraged with comments like yours. No respect from the community = two middle fingers back.

[Zorin]

Zorin, let's face it, you came across in your posts like a dickhead. If you had politely pointed out the flaws, everything would be OK. Instead:



The guys are working practically 7 days a week...people get tired and make mistakes. You seem to contend that this is a major, and as you put it "obvious" flaw (which no one else saw but you), and you seem to want the artist sacked. Frankly that's ridiculous.



Luthier stood up for his artists. Instead you take personal injury to that and write to the lead developer that he's bitchy? What is wrong with you?

Putting myself in the Team's shoes, I would simply quit on a project that we had made huge sacrifices for if barraged with comments like yours. No respect from the community = two middle fingers back.

1. As Trumper said, a lot of people, myself included, have volunteered for years to help out and were ignored.
2. Calling an employee in to work on Saturday, as they all have done for month now as we have been told, doesn't sound that absurd as they are obviously used to it.
3. He stood up for his artist by trying to make me look like a fool in public who doesn't check his references. So yes, I have every right to set this straight and I couldn't care less who he is.
4. Barraged? One comment about a tetxure... Get over yourself. We as a community are the single most commited and patient I have ever come across. So when they come around the corner with something they want to show us, the first warship in CoD, they should better be prepared to face criticism where it is due.

This whole being grateful and obedient attitude really gets up my nose. We have been sold a Yugo that was advertized as a Rolls Royce to use bongodriver's car analogy for pete's sake and we are still here pointing out errors and mistakes because we want to help them improve their product instead of throwing it back in their face. If they are offended by it, there is obviously something very wrong with their attitude.

When I bought this game for 50 Euro several months ago it was unplayable and still I ventured through testing it and creating an entire thread regarding the FMB and issues I found and stuff that could be improved and not a single comment from one of the devs regarding it. I offered to help them with new basic content, like bombs for the Luftwaffe that are missing as I already rebuild the entire lot for Il-2, but again nothing.

So don't tell me how to conduct myself. Even though I have been sold a pre beta product I am not holding a grudge but constantly trying to help and make an effort to improve this game.

[Foo'bar]

+1 (!) gut gesagt, Zorin.

[KG26_Alpha]

Please:

When presenting any correctional data, present the full facts from the start.

This way no one gets the wrong end of the stick and everyone can be on the same page with no misunderstandings.

Documents presented must be accountable as genuine and available in full for closer inspection.

A part picture here and scrap of b-print there simply isn't good enough.

Anything else is a waste of everyone's time.

I'm sure as usual if the "ship bug" was fully represented in the above manner there would still be the bitching,
but at least it was fully presented for the serious eyes to scrutinize and save any conflicts of interest.


.

[6BL Bird-Dog]

Be nice to have two RN Mine sweepers tandem towing a Warp to clear mine fields.

[Baron]

Im laughing so hard right now im about to cry.

[SlipBall]

1. As Trumper said, a lot of people, myself included, have volunteered for years to help out and were ignored.
2. Calling an employee in to work on Saturday, as they all have done for month now as we have been told, doesn't sound that absurd as they are obviously used to it.
3. He stood up for his artist by trying to make me look like a fool in public who doesn't check his references. So yes, I have every right to set this straight and I couldn't care less who he is.
4. Barraged? One comment about a tetxure... Get over yourself. We as a community are the single most commited and patient I have ever come across. So when they come around the corner with something they want to show us, the first warship in CoD, they should better be prepared to face criticism where it is due.

This whole being grateful and obedient attitude really gets up my nose. We have been sold a Yugo that was advertized as a Rolls Royce to use bongodriver's car analogy for pete's sake and we are still here pointing out errors and mistakes because we want to help them improve their product instead of throwing it back in their face. If they are offended by it, there is obviously something very wrong with their attitude.

When I bought this game for 50 Euro several months ago it was unplayable and still I ventured through testing it and creating an entire thread regarding the FMB and issues I found and stuff that could be improved and not a single comment from one of the devs regarding it. I offered to help them with new basic content, like bombs for the Luftwaffe that are missing as I already rebuild the entire lot for Il-2, but again nothing.

So don't tell me how to conduct myself. Even though I have been sold a pre beta product I am not holding a grudge but constantly trying to help and make an effort to improve this game.


You have a valid point but, you need to reread your original post here...it came across as condescending and mocking a bit.:grin:

[flyingblind]

When the regular Friday updates began and the developers posted screen shots and asked for feedback I pointed out that some of the tracks in the fields were a modern feature created by the recent practice of crop spraying using wide booms and such tracks would not have existed in the 1940's. As it happens the tracks are still there but so what? I would not be so arrogent and rude as to suggest the developers are a bunch of idiots who need to immediately correct any mistake and inacuracy just because I happened to spot it. It is not my game and I have no right to make such demands. No one objects to inaccuracies being pointed out - it is the highhanded demand for an instant correction that people find a little tiresome. As as been pointed out, a few portholes a few inches out of place have a pretty marginal effect on game play.

[JG52Uther]

You have a valid point but, you need to reread your original post here...it came across as condescending and mocking a bit.:grin:

It fits right in here then...
I find it strange that of all the questions posed in this thread, the developer just chose to answer one about port holes,and it looks like he was wrong anyway!
A German minesweeper is an odd choice, but its not the first odd choice made with CoD,or il2.
Lets see what the patch brings, but if CoD is still inexplicably tied to steam for multiplayer,with all the problems that is obviously bringing, this game has a long way to go.

[Doc_uk]

Originally Posted by Doc_uk
The battle of britian was not just about aerial combat
Read this, and enlighting yourself
http://www.iwm.org.uk/upload/package...ain/phase1.htm

Never said it was all about aerial combat, I just said this sim is fucussed on the aerial dogfighting aspect, no enlightenment needed here.

And if you are going to try and accurately portray the battle of britian, by makeing a sim, Then the least they could do, is Do it right:grin:

[Romanator21]

This whole being grateful and obedient attitude really gets up my nose. We have been sold a Yugo that was advertized as a Rolls Royce to use bongodriver's car analogy for pete's sake and we are still here pointing out errors and mistakes because we want to help them improve their product instead of throwing it back in their face. If they are offended by it, there is obviously something very wrong with their attitude.

When I bought this game for 50 Euro several months ago it was unplayable and still I ventured through testing it and creating an entire thread regarding the FMB and issues I found and stuff that could be improved and not a single comment from one of the devs regarding it. I offered to help them with new basic content, like bombs for the Luftwaffe that are missing as I already rebuild the entire lot for Il-2, but again nothing.

So don't tell me how to conduct myself. Even though I have been sold a pre beta product I am not holding a grudge but constantly trying to help and make an effort to improve this game.

I'm not telling anyone to be "obedient". I'm saying that the way you go about making corrections, requests and "offerings of help" is rude, and frankly, I'm not surprised that you got no replies. Paying for the game, no matter its state, is not an entitlement to be stuck-up and pompous the way you seem to be presenting yourself. If you showed some respect or gratitude, I'm sure the team would find the time to look at what you can offer.

[major_setback]

I know...lets all get into an argument!! :-)

The 'He said this, and you said that' (and the rudeness too) is really not encouraging the developers to do their best work for us.

Thanks Luthier for all your hard work, and all of your co-workers too.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Doc_uk
The battle of britian was not just about aerial combat
Read this, and enlighting yourself
http://www.iwm.org.uk/upload/package...ain/phase1.htm



And if you are going to try and accurately portray the battle of britian, by makeing a sim, Then the least they could do, is Do it right:grin:

Well.....yes I can't argue things should be done right, but does that mean every little detail? like making sure the sailors on the deck have the correct size flared trousers, whats right for some is just exessive for others, should it include hours sat on a deck chair listening to a grammophone and smoking a pipe waiting for the 'scramble bell'?

[Zorin]

This is the thread I created about the FMB. http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=20024

Introduction: "As I can't actually play, with a constantly crashing launcher and a slideshow on DX9 with a DX10 card, I spend most of my time in the FMB collecting questions and bugs to report."

That is neither rude, stuck-up or pompous, it is plain honesty, something that a lot of people here are in desperate need of.

Btw., I stopped collecting any more points after No.27 as it became just pointless.

If the developers rather want to have these threads full of people crawling on their knees kissing their feet for delivering stuff that was promised years ago to be in the release which itself should have been playable, so be it.

[Romanator21]

I'm not advocating fanboyism, I'm advocating sensibility. You showed none in your initial request in this thread. If that's too much to ask for, then good day to you.

[bongodriver]

sometimes people are being accused of crawling on their knees and kissing arse just because they don't criticize, there seems to be a habbit forming in this forum for making bug reports, but for the most part they are just individuals own experience, not everybody has the same bugs, but those that do have bugs just assume everyone else has them too.

without a doubt there is an excess of whingeing and moaning going on here and some of us are getting sick to ******* death of it.

[JG53Frankyboy]

one of the best topics since gamerelease ->
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=23405

[hiro]

thanks for the updates and also the thick skin you have in dealing with some of members of community

waiting for the US to declare war an join in when this is released

[Insuber]

one of the best topics since gamerelease ->
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=23405

Thank you Frankyboy! BTW I'm now back from India, I'll work to the update of the list ...

Cheers,
Insuber

[Doc_uk]

Well.....yes I can't argue things should be done right, but does that mean every little detail? like making sure the sailors on the deck have the correct size flared trousers, whats right for some is just exessive for others, should it include hours sat on a deck chair listening to a grammophone and smoking a pipe waiting for the 'scramble bell'?
Im not Talking about getting every little detail right
Im on about, the fact is, there is no british navy in this game, and it was a big part of the battle of britian
Here is a nice read
Battle of Britain was won at sea

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1527068/Battle-of-Britain-was-won-at-sea.-Discuss.html

[bongodriver]

Im not Talking about getting every little detail right
Im on about, the fact is, there is no british navy in this game, and it was a big part of the battle of britian
Here is a nice read
Battle of Britain was won at sea

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1527068/Battle-of-Britain-was-won-at-sea.-Discuss.html

Hi Doc,

Sorry I forgot we originally discussed the wider involvement in the BoB, and I am not denying that there was more than just air battles, my point was that this is a flight sim focussing on the air to air mainly (right or wrong it is the most widely romanticised aspect of the Bob), by token of your linked article should we perhaps change this game to a naval simulator instead? obviously not, all I was saying is that the naval aspect of the game is low priority (just my oppinion) there is plenty of time to get this content into game eventually (I do hope it does).

[ATAG_Dutch]

I'd say it was the existence of the Royal Navy which was a strong deterrent, not its involvement.

That is if you believe the Germans were seriously going to invade at all.
;)

But this is getting a bit OT!

[KG26_Alpha]

I'm closing the thread down for a short while, you can all take a deep breath and start thinking about what you are posting instead of the constant drivel of late.

[dougandtoni]

boo hoo

[Pluto]

Okay, then you're the guy that I can throw my CE into the face and get my money back? Plus emotional damages, of course.

... never express harsh criticism on this forum, they dont want to read that, they are allergic against criticism,... it`s like with people who suffer from neurosis, never mention a special signal word or they freak out, ...

Besides, you dont have to play their beta - tester.
Why don`t you leave the game on the shelf until it can be called a good flightsim ? Let the developers do their work as they were supposed to BEFORE the release of this crap!

:twisted:

[Tiger27]

... never express harsh criticism on this forum, they dont want to read that, they are allergic against criticism,... it`s like with people who suffer from neurosis, never mention a special signal word or they freak out, ...

Besides, you dont have to play their beta - tester.
Why don`t you leave the game on the shelf until it can be called a good flightsim ? Let the developers do their work as they were supposed to BEFORE the release of this crap!

:twisted:

Threatening posts arent anything to do with harsh criticism of a game and as this is crap in your opinion why arent you taking up your own advice, shelve the game while it's fixed.

[Pluto]

Threatening posts arent anything to do with harsh criticism of a game and as this is crap in your opinion why arent you taking up your own advice, shelve the game while it's fixed.

I do it that way, it is shelved. After a few weeks off the subject, I was just reading again the posts here that`s all.
Don`t get excited, everything is ok, relax!
By the way, calling it "crap" is only an emotional overreaction, caused by big disappointment as I expected far more from this new sim when it came out.
I am not immune against such emotions either, sorry.
Of course I`d love to see it working as it is supposed to, ...
:mrgreen:

[JG53Frankyboy]

Hi Doc,

..............., my point was that this is a flight sim focussing on the air to air mainly ...........).


well, 1C realesed o lot of flyable bombers, fortunatly (in contraire to original IL2 in 2001 btw :) ).
And its alwasy nice to have targets for them , even better if these are amlost historical :D

[carguy_]

I do it that way, it is shelved. After a few weeks off the subject, I was just reading again the posts here that`s all.

And yet you couldn`t help but posting your bullshit. No life idiot!


Don`t get excited, everything is ok, relax!
By the way, calling it "crap" is only an emotional overreaction, caused by big disappointment as I expected far more from this new sim when it came out.
I am not immune against such emotions either, sorry.
Of course I`d love to see it working as it is supposed to, ...
:mrgreen:

Well it looks like you`re on the edge of your seat posting. Your input is not needed here. You`re probably a grown man that posts drivel on a video game forum. Congrats for your stupidity.

[Bobb4]

I'm closing the thread down for a short while, you can all take a deep breath and start thinking about what you are posting instead of the constant drivel of late.
A permenant closure of this thread is long overdue :)

[Wolf_Rider]

Yeah, I agree... nothing worse than the constant degeneration of almost every thread.

There's something to be said for "free speech" but when it goes toxic the stick should come out

[Tvrdi]

then again if CLOD is what it should be (in content, features, optimisations and graphics) we would have different topics....

[bongodriver]

then again if CLOD is what it should be (in content, features, optimisations and graphics) we would have different topics....

Not really.....just about every game has it's dedicated haters and people who make a habbit of complaining, I have seen it on every forum I visit.

[Redroach]

... never express harsh criticism on this forum, they dont want to read that, they are allergic against criticism,... it`s like with people who suffer from neurosis, never mention a special signal word or they freak out, ...

Besides, you dont have to play their beta - tester.
Why don`t you leave the game on the shelf until it can be called a good flightsim ? Let the developers do their work as they were supposed to BEFORE the release of this crap!

:twisted:

Unfortunately, I've already spent my €s on this. Shelving is harder when you've already paid for it, in expectation of a ton of entertainment. I would be ingame rather than 'entertaining' myself here, but...

@carguy_ Be careful with what you say. My "Goddamn" has been treated as a swearword by the more pious 'participators' here. See first or second page.

[carguy_]

It`s no news to me. I have already been banned from another IL2 forum for explaining to retards that this is not the end of the world. If the fourm admins choose to promote posts with critics that have no constructive value whatsoever in them then it is their decision.

[Tiger27]

I do it that way, it is shelved. After a few weeks off the subject, I was just reading again the posts here that`s all.
Don`t get excited, everything is ok, relax!
By the way, calling it "crap" is only an emotional overreaction, caused by big disappointment as I expected far more from this new sim when it came out.
I am not immune against such emotions either, sorry.
Of course I`d love to see it working as it is supposed to, ...
:mrgreen:

No worries mate, Im relaxed :grin: hopefully you will be able to pick it up in a while and get some enjoyment out of it, I must say the sound issue and pp on the 109 have meant I haven't played it much myself since the last patch, hoping these two are fixed in this patch, along with a lot of other things, have to wait and see I guess.

[kaisey]

My God, all this over a dropkick who thinks a port hole in a ship is a little out???
I find this absolutely astounding, and to go to the length of chasing up blue prints....words fail me

[Tree_UK]

Im not going to make any comments about the porthole until i see someones head in one.

[NervousEnergy]

My God, all this over a dropkick who thinks a port hole in a ship is a little out???
I find this absolutely astounding, and to go to the length of chasing up blue prints....words fail me
I'm pretty sure the whole porthole thing was a joke based on the now infamous 'cowl fasteners'.

[Ploughman]

Four candles.

[Robert]

I think many of you confuse venting with criticism. No one really cares about your venting and you get the appropriate response from it - crickets or a vacation. Since some can't even vent without being derogatory or insulting you receive the scorn you deserve.

What some are doing is equivalent to standing up on the table at a restaurant and yelling about how the cook sux, the decor isn't to your liking.... blah blah blah. You'd not act that way in real life - why do it here?

There are ways of expressing dissatisfaction without making yourself look like a tool. So it's not that 1C doesn't want or doesn't need criticism - it doesn't need people who exhibit tantrums that would embarrass a two year old.

But I don't expect those who fit this category to get it......

[Baron]

I think many of you confuse venting with criticism. No one really cares about your venting and you get the appropriate response from it - crickets or a vacation. Since some can't even vent without being derogatory or insulting you receive the scorn you deserve.

What some are doing is equivalent to standing up on the table at a restaurant and yelling about how the cook sux, the decor isn't to your liking.... blah blah blah. You'd not act that way in real life - why do it here?

There are ways of expressing dissatisfaction without making yourself look like a tool. So it's not that 1C doesn't want or doesn't need criticism - it doesn't need people who exhibit tantrums that would embarrass a two year old.

But I don't expect those who fit this category to get it......


Mainly because there`s always a "but" in that kind of peoples reasoning.

[robtek]

I think many of you confuse venting with criticism. No one really cares about your venting and you get the appropriate response from it - crickets or a vacation. Since some can't even vent without being derogatory or insulting you receive the scorn you deserve.

What some are doing is equivalent to standing up on the table at a restaurant and yelling about how the cook sux, the decor isn't to your liking.... blah blah blah. You'd not act that way in real life - why do it here?

There are ways of expressing dissatisfaction without making yourself look like a tool. So it's not that 1C doesn't want or doesn't need criticism - it doesn't need people who exhibit tantrums that would embarrass a two year old.

But I don't expect those who fit this category to get it......

THIS, is very quotable!!!!
1+

[RE77ACTION]

I think many of you confuse venting with criticism. No one really cares about your venting and you get the appropriate response from it - crickets or a vacation. Since some can't even vent without being derogatory or insulting you receive the scorn you deserve.

What some are doing is equivalent to standing up on the table at a restaurant and yelling about how the cook sux, the decor isn't to your liking.... blah blah blah. You'd not act that way in real life - why do it here?

There are ways of expressing dissatisfaction without making yourself look like a tool. So it's not that 1C doesn't want or doesn't need criticism - it doesn't need people who exhibit tantrums that would embarrass a two year old.

But I don't expect those who fit this category to get it......

+1

[Robert]

To be fair.... I know I can be a tool too. I think we all can reach a point of dissatisfaction or reach a limit with certain aspects of the game or forum members.

But some are so consistent that you'd be surprised to hear something else out of their mouths/posts.

Have a good day, folks.

[Strike]

I think many of you confuse venting with criticism. No one really cares about your venting and you get the appropriate response from it - crickets or a vacation. Since some can't even vent without being derogatory or insulting you receive the scorn you deserve.

What some are doing is equivalent to standing up on the table at a restaurant and yelling about how the cook sux, the decor isn't to your liking.... blah blah blah. You'd not act that way in real life - why do it here?

There are ways of expressing dissatisfaction without making yourself look like a tool. So it's not that 1C doesn't want or doesn't need criticism - it doesn't need people who exhibit tantrums that would embarrass a two year old.

But I don't expect those who fit this category to get it......

Perfectly said, this should almost be stickied. It's a true shame we need individuals here to remind us how horrible we're behaving. They taught us in the military, and I still like to practice it where it applies, that when giving critisism, you are supposed to point out what the problem is, how/why it effects you, and how it makes you feel. And do it with as few words as possible, not "decorating" the core message with tons of adjectives or feelings. Just say it as it is, plain and simple.

Ex:

There is a problem:

The German Prop-pitch lever indicator has been reversed. This is opposite compared to previous game versions, and contradicts the behaviour of all other planes. I find that when I fly the German planes this becomes confusing and feels odd.



There^ A few lines, it describes the problem, why it's wrong, and what it does to your gaming experience. There's no reason to toss in "F***ing POS game, wasted money, stupid devs, ubisoft s*cks elephant c**k", or the worst insult... "I'm going to wait for Birds of Steel/World of Planes.."

I wish some people realized that the forum is just a place where anyone can discuss matters on topic completely free of charge without having to travel to see the faces of the other people of the community. Equally, you are anonymous, and can trash-talk and behave however you like, because nobody can hear you, see you, or watch you act out your worst. Like Robert pointed out, if you stood up in a crowded meeting and yelled your opinions out loud, you'd probably be told to sit down and shut up, then if you wouldn't sit down and shut up, you'd be tossed out. At least your opinions and arguments would carry more weight, since you actually had the guts to stand up for your own opinion behind nothing but your own face. Here, they just litter the forums.

[Tree_UK]

I think many of you confuse venting with criticism. No one really cares about your venting and you get the appropriate response from it - crickets or a vacation. Since some can't even vent without being derogatory or insulting you receive the scorn you deserve.

What some are doing is equivalent to standing up on the table at a restaurant and yelling about how the cook sux, the decor isn't to your liking.... blah blah blah. You'd not act that way in real life - why do it here?

There are ways of expressing dissatisfaction without making yourself look like a tool. So it's not that 1C doesn't want or doesn't need criticism - it doesn't need people who exhibit tantrums that would embarrass a two year old.

But I don't expect those who fit this category to get it......

Well I guess that all depends, if the chef tells you that the meal is going to be your best yet and you paid for it in advance but when it arrived the steak was good but the spuds weren't cooked and the vegatables were missing you would be a little bit miffed for sure, then you find out that you cannot get a refund but you should get your vegetables in the next year once the chef as worked out how to cook them, the spuds are someones eles's fault though because after the chef part cooked them the electric got cut off.

[Ze-Jamz]

Well I guess that all depends, if the chef tells you that the meal is going to be your best yet and you paid for it in advance but when it arrived the steak was good but the spuds weren't cooked and the vegatables were missing you would be a little bit miffed for sure, then you find out that you cannot get a refund but you should get your vegetables in the next year once the chef as worked out how to cook them, the spuds are someones eles's fault though because after the chef part cooked them the electric got cut off.

So you complain using the right channels and not by 'standing on the chair and yelling' which is what you WOULDNT do if you were in that situation, i think thats what was meant

[Tree_UK]

So you complain using the right channels and not by 'standing on the chair and yelling' which is what you WOULDNT do if you were in that situation, i think thats what was meant

I would be outside telling everyone going in to give it a miss.

[bongodriver]

I would be outside telling everyone going in to give it a miss.

That's not nice.....why not just move on with your life?

[Tree_UK]

I dont want you to eat bad food me old bongo, we are still on food right?

[Ivan Fooker]

What a useless thread has this become since i last read it...means since page 10....:roll:;)

[bongodriver]

I dont want you to eat bad food me old bongo, we are still on food right?

Food...whatever, perhaps it's my favourite restaurant and you are spoiling my family's night out, one man's 'crap' is another man's.......something nice.....sort of thing.

[Pluto]

And yet you couldn`t help but posting your bullshit. No life idiot!



Well it looks like you`re on the edge of your seat posting. Your input is not needed here. You`re probably a grown man that posts drivel on a video game forum. Congrats for your stupidity.

...edge of my seat? Not quite, but it`s interesting to see what happens if you poke a bit arround in a hive, hehe, ... thanks for the entertainment.

Hey loudmouth, let`s fight it out in the virtual sky once this sim works.
Let`s see if your flightskills are as big as your mouth!
:twisted:

[Boogz]

I would be outside telling everyone going in to give it a miss.

And here you are, doing just that.

Problem is, by "saving" some now you just might deprive us all of a wonderful flight sim a year or two down the road.

[Tree_UK]

And here you are, doing just that.

Problem is, by "saving" some now you just might deprive us all of a wonderful flight sim a year or two down the road.

This is a forum, not a bad restaurant?

[carguy_]

Hey loudmouth, let`s fight it out in the virtual sky once this sim works.
Let`s see if your flightskills are as big as your mouth!
:twisted:

My flightskills? That`s funny because I don`t have to prove anything. Over 500 sorties in VEF/VEF2/IOW/BW/BW2/VPF/VOW of experience is enough.

[RE77ACTION]

This is a forum, not a bad restaurant?

Clearly you didn't get the point. It's not about food, but about real world behavior vs forum behavior and how those two often contradict (sadly enough or luckily enough when looking from the other side...).

[Tigertooo]

for me the tread can be closed again for some time, what a Polish chit chat inhere :evil:

[Wandalen]

Truly fun to read all the post where the users hit eachother in the head with quotas... :lol:

Thanks Louthier for the update , looking forward to play with the new warship.. stunning details :)

[303_Tees]

We’ve been pushing it out all day, but it’s just not coming out.

* A new warship!

Sorry to keep you waiting!

Thats what we need in air sim new warship no MP sound bug fix no FM, most important is so we get new warship!!!!
In next patch we will get new tanks and new ................. most realistic train.
No trees crash now when some one get on u tail u can run into forest like Robin Hood.But we have new warship.
No radio fix but we have new warship.
Shame

ps i was not complain before i was give u time for fixing because flysim market is so poor. But now when i see so u so happy because u made new WARSHIP i cant be quiet

[kakkola]

C`mon guys,we have to stop this!!!!
I`m one of the disappointed people in this forum,so i put the sim on the shelf until it will be fixed(is playable but i`m not really in to it now),i`m mostly an offline player,for sure i`ll want more maps but of course must be fix the optimization first!
I`ll be patient!!

[MB_Avro_UK]

:rolleyes:

Not everything will get fixed both in sequence and at the same time.

We have been given a FREE ship. That is good news.

Work continues elsewhere.

Patience....

[ChicoMick]

.....now when some one get on u tail u can run into forest like Robin Hood....


...sorry but that's really funny Lmao !!

[KG26_Alpha]

Ok

Seems there just no helping some of you lot.

Locked again.




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