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Codex
06-15-2011, 11:46 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eebBjs507Yc&feature=player_embedded

Chips86
06-15-2011, 11:58 AM
Jesus...

jg27_mc
06-15-2011, 12:11 PM
noobs :grin:

PS: Thanks for sharing. ;)

ATAG_Dutch
06-15-2011, 12:29 PM
Bloody Hell.

Were they Alphajets?

Feathered_IV
06-15-2011, 12:30 PM
I hope I never get that close to such a complete idiot.

Sternjaeger
06-15-2011, 12:47 PM
it's some kind of brazilian jet..

Military pilots all over the world do that, it's kind of a no brainer when you're 26 and given such a toy.. never seen one flying THAT low though!

Redroach
06-15-2011, 12:50 PM
what the....

ATAG_Doc
06-15-2011, 12:52 PM
i saw the other video of inside the plane its up on youtube as well as soon as I can locate it again i will post it to.

ECV56_Guevara
06-15-2011, 12:59 PM
Bloody Hell.

Were they Alphajets?

No, it´s an IA 63 Pampa. Manufactured in Argentina.

it's some kind of brazilian jet..

Military pilots all over the world do that, it's kind of a no brainer when you're 26 and given such a toy.. never seen one flying THAT low though!

No, it´s an argentinian air force pilot. And agree, no brainer, almost hit the people that was there. The pilot just spent a "joke" to his friends.

Bloblast
06-15-2011, 01:15 PM
The pilot has a problem he will be prosecuted.

Sternjaeger
06-15-2011, 01:21 PM
aaaah so much drama for a low pass ;0)

Zoom2136
06-15-2011, 01:27 PM
They are bold pilots AND they are old pilots

BUT

They are NO old bold pilots.

;)

Redroach
06-15-2011, 01:45 PM
They are bold pilots AND they are old pilots

BUT

They are NO old bold pilots.

;)

Talk about spoiling an old saying :D

Viper2000
06-15-2011, 02:23 PM
It's all fun & games until somebody gets killed.

There are quite a few pilots who are both old & bold - they merely represent a statistical minority. For the same reason, there are quite a lot of people who smoke and don't get lung cancer; increased risk is not the same is certainty.

However, straight & level flight at very low level is actually pretty safe provided that you're higher than the height of your landing gear because you can get an idea of the picture from the cockpit whilst you're still safely on the ground.

In this case, the first aeroplane flies by at roughly gear height - compare with the picture on its Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMA_IA_63_Pampa).

The foolish part of this video is how close he's decided to take the aeroplane to the spectators, rather than the height itself. People are unpredictable, the pilot has no real idea what his downwash and jet blast are doing, and of course showing off for the camera is tantamount to testifying for the prosecution. Given that everybody and his dog has a cameraphone these days, showing off within sight of people equates to showing off for the camera, so even if he didn't know that people would be filming, he should have guessed...

In the absence of "innocent" bystanders, it gets "interesting" when people start flying lower than gear height, at high alpha, or with bank on, because there is no real scope for safe rehearsal.

louisv
06-15-2011, 02:44 PM
Totally fake, the plane comes back on itself in a second, come on people...:-P

Letum
06-15-2011, 03:07 PM
Bravo!
Good on him.

Sternjaeger
06-15-2011, 03:08 PM
Totally fake, the plane comes back on itself in a second, come on people...:-P

..you probably never heard of ground effect... it's real baby...

Sternjaeger
06-15-2011, 03:12 PM
It's all fun & games until somebody gets killed.

There are quite a few pilots who are both old & bold - they merely represent a statistical minority. For the same reason, there are quite a lot of people who smoke and don't get lung cancer; increased risk is not the same is certainty.

However, straight & level flight at very low level is actually pretty safe provided that you're higher than the height of your landing gear because you can get an idea of the picture from the cockpit whilst you're still safely on the ground.

In this case, the first aeroplane flies by at roughly gear height - compare with the picture on its Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMA_IA_63_Pampa).

The foolish part of this video is how close he's decided to take the aeroplane to the spectators, rather than the height itself. People are unpredictable, the pilot has no real idea what his downwash and jet blast are doing, and of course showing off for the camera is tantamount to testifying for the prosecution. Given that everybody and his dog has a cameraphone these days, showing off within sight of people equates to showing off for the camera, so even if he didn't know that people would be filming, he should have guessed...

In the absence of "innocent" bystanders, it gets "interesting" when people start flying lower than gear height, at high alpha, or with bank on, because there is no real scope for safe rehearsal.

come on, so much rhetoric for an innocent joke... if you guys ever served in the Army/Air Force/Navy you should know that this happens constantly, the only difference, as you said, it's that nowadays it's more likely it's gonna get videod/pictured etc.. Never seen the French Army helos in Chad or the Mirages flying low?

He was floating on pure ground effect, a skilled pilot can do that (and this one is sitting on a huge pair of balls if you ask me..) and yes, I would have avoided to fly that close to people, but it's normally them who ask the pilots two be buzzed, not viceversa..

As you said it's all fun til someone loses an eye, then it's hilarious ;)

Fjordmonkey
06-15-2011, 04:01 PM
I've seen some pretty wild things during my time with 331/334 sqn RNoAF, but that's utterly insane, ground-effect or not.

BigPickle
06-15-2011, 05:03 PM
Dumb, real dumb hope he gets kicked out in shame!

raaaid
06-15-2011, 05:26 PM
no words but pretty fun:grin:

Viking
06-15-2011, 05:33 PM
Some years ago a Swedish pilot decided to impress his girlfriend and her family who where watching his takeoff at the end of the runway and did a low flyover at full blast. They were badly burned and he was as I recall kicked out.

Fly safe! But you can’t put old heads on young bodies, can you.

White Owl
06-16-2011, 02:52 AM
No pilot will sacrifice his aircraft or his life to put on a show...

I wish that were true. Certainly they never plan to sacrifice...

I liked the lingering dust trail on the ground. Cool video.

Jack Morris
06-16-2011, 03:28 AM
I found the cockpit video by the way.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDDxU5sB-SI

oh and.. I once visited the red arrows at scampton.. they did the manouver that that display team did, (you know the one where the italians collided and killed all of those people.. that is now banned at airshows.. champagne charlie or something i think its called) though it was very risky.. if i died it wouldn't matter because i was on base property or something like that.. spose the same applies here.. :)

grunge
06-16-2011, 06:34 AM
OMG that's insane! In my childhood i saw Mig-21-s a lot at the filed doing low level flybys but not that low either :D

BigPickle
06-16-2011, 06:48 AM
OMG did you see his altitude reading 10ft

Sternjaeger
06-16-2011, 08:48 AM
*WARNING* This thread has reached the maximum amount of OMG permitted *WARNING*










:rolleyes:

Jugdriver
06-16-2011, 07:11 PM
Just watching his buddies run is killing me, it’s hilarious. Of course if he had put that plane into the ground in just front of them he probability would have killed them all.

JD
AKA_MattE

Jack Morris
06-16-2011, 07:52 PM
I totally agree JugDriver! It's one of those things that is funny, but only funny because no one was hurt.. if a wingtip clipped one of them then them running for their lives wouldn't be at all comical..

hiro
06-17-2011, 07:00 AM
yea it would suck if someone got sucked in . . .



I guess they seem to like this

A-10's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeSZw_LvQxY&feature=related



another low pass, I was LQTM (laff quietly to myself) at the chuck norris comment . . .

"chuck norris se peina todo los dias asi "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eeC59iDwEs&feature=related

Timberwolf
06-17-2011, 08:11 AM
I wish i could find the youtube post of a ww2 RAF pilot talking about him and a few sqaud mates flying so low on a street in a town that a german solider poped out and had his head removed ... Back at the base word got out of what happend before he got there and no one believed it ..till the plane landed and they seen the wing tip dented and bloody

In the Canadian armed forces and CAA if you get caught flying under the 1,000ft / 500ft rule you will be grounded and a board of inquiry on your actions will be takin. Found guilty you could lose your job and have that black mark when applying for another.

Sternjaeger
06-17-2011, 08:31 AM
I wish i could find the youtube post of a ww2 RAF pilot talking about him and a few sqaud mates flying so low on a street in a town that a german solider poped out and had his head removed ... Back at the base word got out of what happend before he got there and no one believed it ..till the plane landed and they seen the wing tip dented and bloody

In the Canadian armed forces and CAA if you get caught flying under the 1,000ft / 500ft rule you will be grounded and a board of inquiry on your actions will be takin. Found guilty you could lose your job and have that black mark when applying for another.

hehehe dude that's Argentina, they use jets to herd cattle ;0)

R u a CAF pilot then? Got a good friend of mine in the Snowbirds :-)

Triggaaar
06-17-2011, 09:25 AM
Blimey, that was low wasn't it.

Did this guy have an apple on his head?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eeC59iDwEs&feature=related

BadByte
06-17-2011, 03:39 PM
My favorite low pass has to be

http://www.youtube.com/embed/hvDDDKnNhuE

Jack Morris
06-17-2011, 06:16 PM
In the Canadian armed forces and CAA if you get caught flying under the 1,000ft / 500ft rule you will be grounded and a board of inquiry on your actions will be takin. Found guilty you could lose your job and have that black mark when applying for another.

The Way to Avoid that is to say you are doing a practice forced landing.. that way you can get away with it! My dad and I do it all the time flying past all of the bomber bases in east anglia!

Viking
06-17-2011, 08:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQa4PpIkOZU

Hate to be a spoil sport but if you try for the limit of the envelope you will find it. Sooner or later!
The pilot of this B-52 had several complains from his colleges and some even refused to fly with him.
As it turned out they were right and he was wrong. And eventually very dead as that is the result when you pass the border of the envelope!

kimosabi
06-17-2011, 08:18 PM
it's some kind of brazilian jet..

Military pilots all over the world do that, it's kind of a no brainer when you're 26 and given such a toy.. never seen one flying THAT low though!

Although Norwegian fighter pilots practice low level all the time, they will get grounded if they pull something like that. They have enough complaints from the local farmers already.

That B-52.... What happened except for the overbank?

Letum
06-18-2011, 07:22 AM
That B-52.... What happened except for the overbank?



Wiki says:
The investigation found that as the B-52 entered its final turn sequence around the tower, its indicated airspeed (IAS) was 182 knots (337 km/h, 209 mph). Although Holland applied additional engine power after starting the turn, his input came too late to maintain the aircraft's airspeed, because its turbine engines take up to 8 seconds to respond to throttle movements. Even though the airspeed indicator was available to all four aircrew members, the aircraft's airspeed was allowed to continue to decrease. Eight seconds before impact, the aircraft's IAS had deteriorated to 145 knots (269 km/h, 167 mph) and the aircraft's bank increased past 60°. At this time Holland or McGeehan applied full right spoiler, right rudder, and nose-up elevator, and the aircraft entered a turning flight stall (sometimes called accelerated stall). This phenomenon is a stall that occurs at a higher airspeed than the design stall speed – which always refers to straight and level flight – because the aircraft is turning. Due to the bank of 60° or more, the stall speed for the aircraft was at that moment 147 knots (272 km/h, 169 mph). Thus, flying at 145 knots (269 km/h, 167 mph) IAS the aircraft stalled without sufficient altitude to recover before striking the ground.

Sternjaeger
06-18-2011, 09:41 AM
Yeah,the accelerated stall was a consequence of their late inputs to correct the manoeuvre: the B-52 is a big bird with a lot of inertial response(throttle lag,sluggish control),which comes more evident at slower speeds. He was probably trying to do a "sling turn",where he would gain momentum from the turn dive,but he was too low/slow, and correcting that on a B-52 was impossible.. the crew probably had the time to realise what's goi g on and tell him "you killed us,r u happy now, asshole?!"..

kimosabi
06-18-2011, 01:12 PM
Ok, so pilot screwup then. I was just curious if there was some mechanical failure or something. What's one of the first golden rules again? "Know your aircraft"....?

bongodriver
06-18-2011, 01:56 PM
The Way to Avoid that is to say you are doing a practice forced landing.. that way you can get away with it! My dad and I do it all the time flying past all of the bomber bases in east anglia!

practice forced landings 'do not' absolve you from rule 5, so you are litterally getting away with it.

BigC208
06-19-2011, 06:40 PM
Somehow I think it's a fake, good one but fake. I froze the video at 19 seconds and got a pretty clear image of the front fuselage. Very sharp image. I would think that with a regular video cam the image would be a smear. There's also no follow thru at all. The low flying part is cool, nice that he steers away from his buddies. He would've taken their heads off on the original course. If it's real I 'm curious what camera they used.

Edit, I just saw the hud cam footage of this flight and it looks real. Radar altimeter reads 10ft!

http://gizmodo.com/5809436/exclusive-cockpit-video-of-the-craziest-flyby-ever

Timberwolf
06-30-2011, 08:20 AM
hehehe dude that's Argentina, they use jets to herd cattle ;0)

R u a CAF pilot then? Got a good friend of mine in the Snowbirds :-)

Retired Canadian forces 441 Squadron / 4-Wing. 1997 / 2003 - And the same that fought in ww2 in spitfires

I use to have lots of footage but sadly after having 4 or 5 computers and too lazy to back up my files most of it was lost however i do have some youtube : ) and im not a video maker type of guy to no boo's lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2eKkQVOJ9A

Ze-Jamz
06-30-2011, 08:45 AM
Retired Canadian forces 441 Squadron / 4-Wing. 1997 / 2003 - And the same that fought in ww2 in spitfires

I use to have lots of footage but sadly after having 4 or 5 computers and too lazy to back up my files most of it was lost however i do have some youtube : ) and im not a video maker type of guy to no boo's lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2eKkQVOJ9A

Man what a rush...

I remember 22years ago walking into a RAF recruitment centre and telling the fella i wanted to fly jets..was the Jaguar and Tornado then plus harrier i think and he gave me a list of what i needed to achieve qualification wise..needless to say i was a bit short on said qualifications and decided to like many young men go n get a paid job so i could get drunk buy cars and **** loads of girls (rarely happened mind)

You know how sometimes you regret your decisions......LOL :rolleyes:

Funny cuz here i am all those years later and still have the love of flying PC Sims and still fascinated in combat aircraft, going to Duxford again next week in fact!;):cool:.....so i guess that wanting to fly was a real love of mine back then and not just something i wanted to do as a 'boy' cuz it was cool

funny how things work out, but every time i watch videos like that and 'OK' War isnt cool and all that but I get so jealous of them pilots doing that..has to be the best job in the world and one that i could actualy say and believe i would do it for free...well maybe just enough money to eat n drink..

cheers

carguy_
06-30-2011, 10:56 AM
the crew probably had the time to realise what's goi g on and tell him "you killed us,r u happy now, asshole?!"..

Yeah, the crew. If there is hell , that guy piloting is in one. Other people should never share the same fate. While driving other ppl somwhere I always keep it super safe and careful. That said, none of them deserved the time to actually think that they`re going to die in a few seconds.

Timberwolf
06-30-2011, 11:21 PM
Man what a rush...

I remember 22years ago walking into a RAF recruitment centre and telling the fella i wanted to fly jets..was the Jaguar and Tornado then plus harrier i think and he gave me a list of what i needed to achieve qualification wise..needless to say i was a bit short on said qualifications and decided to like many young men go n get a paid job so i could get drunk buy cars and **** loads of girls (rarely happened mind)

You know how sometimes you regret your decisions......LOL :rolleyes:

Funny cuz here i am all those years later and still have the love of flying PC Sims and still fascinated in combat aircraft, going to Duxford again next week in fact!;):cool:.....so i guess that wanting to fly was a real love of mine back then and not just something i wanted to do as a 'boy' cuz it was cool

funny how things work out, but every time i watch videos like that and 'OK' War isnt cool and all that but I get so jealous of them pilots doing that..has to be the best job in the world and one that i could actualy say and believe i would do it for free...well maybe just enough money to eat n drink..

cheers

Ever since i was a kid Saturday monrings while other kids watched cartoons I use to watch "the world at war" A show that played WW2 airbattles And i was hooked

Later after joining and in school I met a retired RAF digby pilot that flew a Spitfire VB variant, He told me The Aircraft have changed over the years But it's still the same up there nothing has changed. Remember if you think your going to mess up your going to mess up. Stay loose fly right ..His own worry was checking 6 when attacking someone

I never had that worry thank god

I still love to fly. However having a bad back due to a car crash I'm grounded I can only drive a car for about 1 hour before the pain and twitches start up

So when i do have the time i load up CLOD (which by the way is harder to fly : ) but starting to meet great people on a shared love

Sternjaeger
07-01-2011, 08:25 AM
Yeah, the crew. If there is hell , that guy piloting is in one. Other people should never share the same fate. While driving other ppl somwhere I always keep it super safe and careful. That said, none of them deserved the time to actually think that they`re going to die in a few seconds.

I know, it's sad but unfortunately it happens in military life. The ultimate responsibility of an officer is for the life of his men, it was obvious that the guy went gung-ho long before the accidents, there were reports of his reckless flying, but nobody did a thing to ground him. He's as responsible as the men that didn't rip the wings off his flightsuit and bitchslapped him..

There have also been cases of whole formations flying into a mountain or on the ground: when you're busy flying formation you rely on your leader for direction, and if he fails you die with him.

I personally was involved in quite a hair raising experience once, flying a vertical formation with a guy who obviously didn't have much experience, even if he stated the opposite: it was 4 planes flying one under the other, and the guy on the top, who was the leader, didn't seem to realise that BELOW him there were other planes that needed to keep a formation and in the meantime trying not to spread themselves over the countryside.. so instead of keeping it safe and flying at a redundantly safe altitude, he would jerk his plane up and down, so we had to work hard to keep formation and not get killed.. I was flying at the bottom, so I was between a plane and the ground: after a couple of near misses with the trees I pulled out, we flew back to the airfield and had a not so quiet word with the guy, who obviously wasn't as experienced as he said..

ATAG_Dutch
07-01-2011, 08:46 AM
I remember 22years ago walking into a RAF recruitment centre and telling the fella i wanted to fly jets..

Well, it was 32 years ago for me. I knew from the day I could walk that I'd be an RAF pilot. I mean, I'd read the Biggles books and everything.

At the initial aircrew interview, the guy said he couldn't allow my application to go forward because my 'knowledge of current affairs was appalling' and I should re-apply for an NCO position.:(

Being an arrogant little tyke, I said to my parents, 'well if they don't want me as an officer, they're not getting me at all.'

Which just shows that the guy was absolutely correct not to let my application through!:grin:

It's still my one biggest regret in life that I didn't re-apply.

What a pr*ck.:rolleyes::grin:

mazex
07-01-2011, 12:25 PM
Someone mentioned the incident where a Swedish JA-37 Viggen did a similar thing in 2002 in Sweden, I did a google translate of two articles about this incident and fixed the most obvious weird translation issues (but not all ;)):

http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/sex-brannskadade-av-viggenplan


Six burn victims caused by Viggen fighter plane
Published 2002-06-20 13:00

The fighter pilots and their girlfriends where standing near the runway to see close up how two Viggen fighters took off. Just after takeoff one turned directly at the spectators and six people were injured by the jet beam.

- One of our pilots are among the injured. Another is an Italian fighter pilot on a visit to Sweden, says Major Christer Ulriksson, press officer of the flight squadron F16 in Uppsala where the accident occurred.

It was just after 09 on Thursday morning when the two Viggen fighters would embark on an exercise.

On a small hill about 75 meters left of the runway farthest part were the six people who are now being treated for burns at the University Hospital in Uppsala. Another person was nearby, but escaped injury.

According to Christer Ulriksson the first of the Viggens changed course just after the wheels left the runway.

- The pilot turned against the persons and flew over them at very low altitude, says Ulriksson and says that the distance to the ground "was probably closer to ten meters than twenty."

The group had no chance to escape the heat from the afterburner of the fighter jet. Burning jet fuel is also believed to have hit the injured. Ulrik's theory is that the pilot wanted to impress the spectators. Reportedly, he knew many of them.

- Probably, he wanted to make a cool thing. But to deviate from the course in this manner is not allowed, even if he theoretically could have been forced to give way to a bird.

Nothing to indicate a failure has emerged. The Uppsala police and the court of inquiry is now investigating the cause of the accident.
Christer Ulriksson say they were injured in an "unofficial visit".

- Our pilot had brought his girlfriend, the Italian and his Swedish girlfriend and some other acquaintances to follow the take off.

For three of the six injured, who is reported to be between 20 and 30 years old, the condition is described as serious. These, two women and one man was treated on Thursday in a ventilator. The wounds are however not considered life threatening.

The other three reportedly received minor injuries. One of them had left the hospital on Thursday evening.

The pilot who caused the accident is fully trained and deemed to have a lot of experience. The man was heard yesterday by the police without being served a suspicion of crime. What he said is not known.

- We do not go out with anything on this at present, said police spokesman Christer Nordström.


And the two years later a follow up article:

http://www.nyheterna.se/1.22671


Viggen pilot accused of accident

The pilot who two years ago flew a Viggen aircraft that seriously injured several people on the ground, has been charged with grievous bodily harm, according to local newspaper online edition.

Published August 3, 2004 16:46
On 20 June 2002 the former pilot flew a Viggen aircraft so close to the ground that a group of visitors at the then-F16 Wing in Uppsala where injured.

The jet beam struck a group of nine people. Three of them received serious burns. Two people also suffered lung damage, bleeding in the brain and damage to the eye or ear drum of the blast.

The former pilot risks a prison sentence of up to four years.


EDIT (to sum this up). Found a last article about this from 2005:

http://wwwc.aftonbladet.se/vss/telegram/0,1082,65256980_852__,00.html


Viggen pilot was fined
The Viggen pilot who nearly three years ago burned a total of eight people in connection with a take off at F 16 was sentenced to probation and 100 day fines of 390 Swedish kronor.

The pilot was convicted of causing bodily harm. The district court held that the crime was aggravated because the pilot deliberately took a serious risk when he flew low over a group of visitors to the F 16th
Aftonbladet Teletext
Published: 2005-05-20


So he got about $6000 in fines and lost a rather nice job, and shall we guess the girlfriend too? Incredibly stupid to pass people on the ground at full afterburner and top it off by doing a pull up just as he passed over them for maximum effect (another article talks about him being at about 5 meters).

In some kind of defence of him it was obviously extremely hot that day so with the thin air caused by that and a heavy fighter right after take off he maybe tried pulling up before he passed them, but ended up pulling high alpha and pointing that enormous torch into the ground while passing them a almost zero altitude...

Timberwolf
07-02-2011, 09:35 AM
I think the worst problem i got into was with me and another pilot grabbed a test dummy MK bomb and painted the false markings with spray painted with "Armed" hot markings and full ribbons and were sitting on it in a hanger when the Major and his friends come around the corner ..We had a hammer in are hands banging it loud..Thinking it was the ground crew coming ...Lets just say the major was white and not impressed We both had a 1 hr chat with the squad leader and the major

if you look at the video again @ 0:12 you will see the other pilots new call sign the day after we did it ; )