View from the cockpit

[VO101_Tom]

I just found a very good webpage now, I would share it. Must have to read, for Messerschmitt pilots. :-P

Messerschmitt 109 - myths, facts and the view from the cockpit (http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/articles/109myths/)

Share it here, if you know similar webpages (it does not have to belong to a BOB period). Like this: VVS research page - Pilots (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/pilots/pilots.htm)

[pupo162]

- The Me 109 was dived to Mach 0.79 in instrumented tests. Slightly modified, it was even dived to Mach 0.80, and the problems experimented there weren't due to compressility, but due to aileron overbalancing. Compare this to Supermarine Spitfire, which achieved dive speeds well above those of any other WW2 fighter, getting to Mach 0.89 on one occasion. P-51 and Fw 190 achieved about Mach 0.80. The P-47 had the lowest permissible Mach number of these aircraft. Test pilot Eric Brown observed it became uncontrollable at Mach 0.73, and "analysis showed that a dive to M=0.74 would almost certainly be a 'graveyard dive'."

i was udner hte impression that the p47 was one of the best divers of the time, not one of the worst.

[skouras]

thanks for this post mate excellent:grin:

[Winger]

ahhh yes. I really am soo looking forward to friday and have BIG hope the 109 wont be messed up after the patch and game will be fun to pülay again.

Winger

[Redroach]

i was udner hte impression that the p47 was one of the best divers of the time, not one of the worst.

"Best diver" means it accelerates fastest when pointing downwards - not necessarily the best one in absolute speed.
Though those Mach number of .89 seems to be a bit on the high side for a propeller-driven aircraft without sweep imo.

[pupo162]

"Best diver" means it accelerates fastest when pointing downwards - not necessarily the best one in absolute speed.
Though those Mach number of .89 seems to be a bit on the high side for a propeller-driven aircraft without sweep imo.

no. i was actually under the impression it would be the FASTer diver.

at leas on il2, nothing can dive mroe than a p47 and its 1000 km/h

[DB605]

Yep that is very good webpage. Actually i just re-read (again) "Me 109 ja Saksan sotatalous" (Messerschmitt Bf 109 and the German war economy) book wich is biggest single source used to pages and i must say it is certainly one of the best books about BF 109 in my opinion.

[Tbag]

Great site, stumbled across it before but had long forgotten :)

[VO101_Tom]

i was udner hte impression that the p47 was one of the best divers of the time, not one of the worst.

In this video (around 7:45) you see the P-47 "save diving speed", on different altitudes. Sea level 500 mph I.A.S? Of course, this values not the limits, only the save speeds, but Mach 0.66 far from Mach 0.8...

Another interest thing: same video from 17:10. Did you experience anything similar in the game? :cool: I dont think so... :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NWaHlnI_LQ

[DB605]

Bit offtopic but very cool virtual view from BF 109 G6 cockpit (Finnish AF MT-507): http://virtuaalikuvat.com/jamiflyin/?p=0&t=2
And the rest, including some very rare ac's like Fokker D.XXI and Brewster: http://www.jamiflyin.com/museossa

[VO101_Tom]

Bit offtopic but very cool virtual view from BF 109 G6 cockpit (Finnish AF MT-507): http://virtuaalikuvat.com/jamiflyin/?p=0&t=2
And the rest, including some very rare ac's like Fokker D.XXI and Brewster: http://www.jamiflyin.com/museossa

Great sites, keep em coming, if u have more :)

[Daniël]

Bit offtopic but very cool virtual view from BF 109 G6 cockpit (Finnish AF MT-507): http://virtuaalikuvat.com/jamiflyin/?p=0&t=2
And the rest, including some very rare ac's like Fokker D.XXI and Brewster: http://www.jamiflyin.com/museossa

UPEA! :grin:

[ATAG_Doc]

Nice! That thing is pretty worn out!

[DB605]

UPEA! :grin:

Yes it is 8-)

[DB605]

Nice! That thing is pretty worn out!

Do you mean MT-507? It probably will be repainted in near future, and i am very proud about the fact that i may be the painter...but it's too early talk about it yet.

[Pyrres]

Do you mean MT-507? It probably will be repainted in near future, and i am very proud about the fact that i may be the painter...but it's too early talk about it yet.

Nice. You lucky guy. It´s been waay too long ago when I last saw that plane myself. Plus there is that Brewster I´d like to see. And nowadays I don´t even want to go to museums as I always get the urge to get in close and look them closer than those ropes allow me :(. But maybe at holiday I could find time to drive there.

[DB605]

Nice. You lucky guy.

Well nothing is certain or decided yet. But well see...

It´s been waay too long ago when I last saw that plane myself. Plus there is that Brewster I´d like to see. And nowadays I don´t even want to go to museums as I always get the urge to get in close and look them closer than those ropes allow me :(. But maybe at holiday I could find time to drive there.

It's always worth of visit K-SIM, again and again :)