how to see others while blacking out

[JRHOODY1]

i would like to share these settings for your tv so you can see while blacking out during battle in the bop skys hdtv? first go to menu on tv and put these settings on? contrast70 brighness 89 sharpness 69 colour 81 tint0 if you do this you will find everything becomes clearer you can see your targets?:-)

[StiC]

Thanks, I needed this.

StiC

Edit: I just tried this but my TV uses different values, are your values out of 100?

[JRHOODY1]

Thanks, I needed this.

StiC

Edit: I just tried this but my TV uses different values, are your values out of 100?yes valves 100 go to picture menu and you will get contrast brighness sharpness colour and tint you will find all of the above there buddy?

[FOZ_1983]

Not to be the party pooper here guys....

But isn't that cheating? Black outs are all part of the game because of the moves your pulling. Changing settings would give you an edge when you wouldnt normally have one?

Or am i reading in to this to much?

[Hicks-81]

Black outs are all part of the game because of the moves your pulling. Changing settings would give you an edge when you wouldnt normally have one?

I think the same. If I don´t use because I prefer the realism, I prefer that my opponents will not use this trick.

[JRHOODY1]

Not to be the party pooper here guys....

But isn't that cheating? Black outs are all part of the game because of the moves your pulling. Changing settings would give you an edge when you wouldnt normally have one?

Or am i reading in to this to much?yes thats correct an age that everybody should no see thats the problem not everybody nos but the point is you all no now? glad to help buddy

:-)

[WildBoar44]

Not to be the party pooper here guys....

But isn't that cheating? Black outs are all part of the game because of the moves your pulling. Changing settings would give you an edge when you wouldnt normally have one?

Or am i reading in to this to much?

Corinthians 4:6
For God Said, "Let Light Shine Out Of Darkness" and God said "let there be Light". And God made light shine in our Hearts to give us the light of Knowledge.......now go find the mother flubber's and rip off thier tailplanes.....:)

Bless you Brother JRHOODY......Here endeth the Lesson :wink:

[JRHOODY1]

I think the same. If I don´t use because I prefer the realism, I prefer that my opponents will not use this trick.you are having a laugh aren't you its not a trick or is it cheating i am offering help to people that want it bet your setting your tv right now

:-)

[JRHOODY1]

Corinthians 4:6
For God Said, "Let Light Shine Out Of Darkness" and God said "let there be Light". And God made light shine in our Hearts to give us the light of Knowledge.......now go find the mother flubber's and rip off thier tailplanes.....:)

Bless you Brother JRHOODY......Here endeth the Lesson :wink:thanks wildone nicely put

:-)

[Robotic Pope]

This is one reason i have come to be glad that the 360 never got the update. Black out is pointless if everyone just maxes their brightness to see through it and makes the rest of the game look a washed out grey mess.

I'm hoping for Birds of steel they can implement black outs much better with an increasing tunnel vision effect, with the black being solid so you can't cheat with the brightness control.

[JRHOODY1]

This is one reason i have come to be glad that the 360 never got the update. Black out is pointless if everyone just maxes their brightness to see through it and makes the rest of the game look a washed out grey mess.

I'm hoping for Birds of steel they can implement black outs much better with an increasing tunnel vision effect, with the black being solid so you can't cheat with the brightness control.first of all it has nothing to do with updates, its to do with your tv, and secondly it dont make the game look a washed out grey mess, and 3rd cheating come on i dont think so, its info for the user that everybody should no?

;)

[Robotic Pope]

first of all it has nothing to do with updates, its to do with your tv, and secondly it dont make the game look a washed out grey mess, and 3rd cheating come on i dont think so, its info for the user that everybody should no?

;)

First of all, You know nothing. It is indeed something to do with the update you muppet. The update is why you have blackouts on PS3, thats when they were reinstated into the game. Before the Patch blackouts only happened at something like 9G.

Secondly your info on how to negate a feature of the game the developers though would increase your enjoyment is useless to anyone but yourself because everybody has different makes of tv/moniter, your settings would not give anything like the same effect on our tv's. Also you forgot to say anything about the in game brightness setting although I have no doubt that you have that whacked right up to maximum. The game is a grey wash at that high brightness. I keep mine at default level which is zero.

Thirdly no matter what you say, this is a form of cheating, you are not meant to be able to see though blackouts.

[Gilly]

I have to agree with Pope on this. The whole point of having black and redout is the impaired vision that subsequently results. It's why fighter pilots nowadays wear G-suits designed to eleviate it. By turning up the brightness all your doing is cheating yourself. Do you keep the TV on these settings for all games and when watching TV? If the answer is no then as Pope says it's an easy way to cheat. Where's the satisfaction in knowing that you got the kill because the other guy didn't turn up his brightness? As Pope has said these things were put into the game to provide more realism which if everyone is then finding 'work arounds' makes a mockery of the effort that the developers put into it.

[KAV]

Why enhance ones flying ability when one can use tech to get the upperhand.
Why dont we all use lag switches as some do ?

Up for call for the ones who care, I dont. I enjoy the game for its content that gives me joy, not for its ability to boost my ego. And yes, at times it feels great to be shot down by a superior pilot who has performed beautiful manouvers to achieve it.

And we all do know how to use the overwep on the Spits, but it hasnt got its on thread on the forum...........

[winny]

I seem to remeber someone posting what looked like a photo of BoP being played on a tweaked TV. The brightness and contrast had been turned way up and it made the enemy A/C very visible, very.

Funnily enough at the time nobody really picked up on it...

It was last year but I can't remember who posted it.

EDIT : Found it,

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=148244&postcount=2

I dunno if it's real or photoshopped though.

[McQ59]

And we all do know how to use the overwep on the Spits, but it hasnt got its on thread on the forum...........

What do you mean mate? "Overwep"?! Is that something different than the ordinary wep? Or am I just beeing stoopid now...

Okay... No worries. I sorted it.

[McQ59]

I seem to remeber someone posting what looked like a photo of BoP being played on a tweaked TV. The brightness and contrast had been turned way up and it made the enemy A/C very visible, very.

Funnily enough at the time nobody really picked up on it...

It was last year but I can't remember who posted it.

EDIT : Found it,

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=148244&postcount=2

I dunno if it's real or photoshopped though.


First time I see this pic winny. Is this for real? Do any of you guys really set your screen to show this kind of features?!

[Zatoichi_Sanjuro]

I seem to remeber someone posting what looked like a photo of BoP being played on a tweaked TV. The brightness and contrast had been turned way up and it made the enemy A/C very visible, very.

Funnily enough at the time nobody really picked up on it...

It was last year but I can't remember who posted it.

EDIT : Found it,

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=148244&postcount=2

I dunno if it's real or photoshopped though.

That was a joke post using photoshop. If you turn up your brightness to see through blackouts/dark terrain, then surely when you follow an enemy skyward you will have the opposite effect, and have whiteout.

[vdomini]

First of all, You know nothing. It is indeed something to do with the update you muppet. The update is why you have blackouts on PS3, thats when they were reinstated into the game. Before the Patch blackouts only happened at something like 9G.

Secondly your info on how to negate a feature of the game the developers though would increase your enjoyment is useless to anyone but yourself because everybody has different makes of tv/moniter, your settings would not give anything like the same effect on our tv's. Also you forgot to say anything about the in game brightness setting although I have no doubt that you have that whacked right up to maximum. The game is a grey wash at that high brightness. I keep mine at default level which is zero.

Thirdly no matter what you say, this is a form of cheating, you are not meant to be able to see though blackouts.

I completely disagree with you.

Tweaking on the in game brightness or TV to see better to me it's like lowering elevator sensitivity while flying a plane, avoiding stalling, or disable the cockpit view when available. It's just a personal setting, definetly not a way of cheating. If the devs wanted a fixed brightness settings they wouldn't allowed you the option, or, like most recent game ( dead space 2 for example ), they would make you set the bright level in-game at the beginning, comparing the slider value with a brightness reference picture.

Feel like flying at 0 brightness? Do it.
Feel like flying full sensitivity? Do it.
Feel like flying cockpit? Do it.

But don't blame other for cheating if the don't fly with your settings. Some people still play on CRT TV, some don't have a full HD plasma tv, i mean... It's your personal decision. It's not the brightness settings that will save your wings against a skilled pilot.

Also, when i fly against an opponent, i always think he's flyig with "no-handicap" and at his maximum TV, joypad controller / sensitivity / cockpit performance, ready to shoot lead on my ass. so NO MERCY :D ! I personally love flying in cockpit view and sometimes full sensitivity too, but i like fair games so i goes into that options only when previously agreeded with the players. Maybe next time i'll ask about their TV brightness too lol

Also, I feel like the dev added the black out effect just to make the game looks nicer, probably to disturb your sight on darker map ( i can hardly see ad dawn or sunset mission or while flying cloud covered in blackouts) , it's just a nice feature. If they really wanted to 100% blind you on blackouts, they would make it fade to completely black. Or, maybe, blending the enemy plane ( making him progressively transparent ) while fade out. There are several way to achive that kind of effect in 3d games... I wonder why they have not added the same on negative G but only positive.

Of course, those are my opinion. Take it easy and have fun! :)

[FOZ_1983]

I completely disagree with you.

Tweaking on the in game brightness or TV to see better it's like lowering elevator sensitivity while flying a plane, avoiding stalling, or disable the cockpit view when available. It's just a personal setting, definetly not a way of cheating. If the devs wanted a fixed brightness settings they wouldn't allowed you the option, or, like most recent game ( dead space 2 for example ), they would make you set the bright level in-game, comparing the slider value with a brightness reference picture.

Feel like flying at 0 brightness? Do it.
Feel like flying full sensitivity? Do it.
Feel like flying cockpit? Do it.

But don't blame other for cheating if the don't do the same. Some people still play on CRT TV, some don't have a full HD plasma tv, i mean... It's your personal decision. It's not the brightness settings that will save your wings against a skilled pilot.

Also, I feel like the dev added the black out effect just to make the game looks nicer, probably to disturb your sight on darker map ( i can hardly see ad dawn or sunset mission or while flying cloud covered ) , it's just a nice feature. I wonder why they have not added the same on negative G but only positive.

Of course, those are my opinion. Take it easy and have fun! :)

If im honest then i have to disagree with you.

I'm not quite sure how the blackout effect works on the PS3 since we dont have it really on the 360.

But...

I would consider turning your brightness up as cheating or gaining an unfair advantage.

If your on the 6 of an enemy and he pulls a sharp turn to try and lose you, he will be pulling to many G's and will surely black out. You being on his 6 so close will do the same and also black out,thus somewhre during the black out between both of you then you could potentially lose your target. Unfortunate but thats the way it goes, thats black out for you.

Now..

If we adjust brightness settings, then while your opponent pulls a sharp turn to lose you (thus blacking out) you will have your brightness up, and will still be able to have him in your sights even though the effects of black out should be in play, giving you an unfair advantage over your opponent, letting you get the shots off you need to destroy him.

Thats just my 2 cents worth :)

Thankfully this effect doesnt really happen on the 360.

[Gilly]

But don't blame other for cheating if the don't do the same.

So because someone cheats justifys everyone else cheating? Blackout in the game 'simulates' real life save for the physical effects so it's there for a reason. Blackout narrows vision so to turn brightness all the way up takes this effect away visa vis cheating the spirit of the game. And I thought people here professed to playing with honour...

I wonder why they have not added the same on negative G but only positive

There is red-out, try nosing your aircraft steeply down!

[vdomini]

So because someone cheats justifys everyone else cheating? Blackout in the game 'simulates' real life save for the physical effects so it's there for a reason. Blackout narrows vision so to turn brightness all the way up takes this effect away visa vis cheating the spirit of the game. And I thought people here professed to playing with honour...



There is red-out, try nosing your aircraft steeply down!

Blackouts are a pain for me, and i tend to loose chasing plane on blackout. Specially after drinking few beers... :-) Don't get me wrong. On my ps3 / TV system, i can hardly see tru blackout even if i put brigthness at maximum. I can't wipe the black out effect away as you think. I might post a video on you tube if you don't belive me.

I don't get red out in PS3. :(


I talk abour fair play, i won't cheat playing poker, i won't cheat playing ps3. I take distance from people who seeks "honor" behind a joypad. But that's off topic :cool:

But that's not the point. you are talking about real life, i'm talking about brightness settings. And you say cheating.

I don't feel like raising brightenss is cheating. It's a setting. Like elevator settigs. Like virtual cockpit on or off.

I hope this thread will not became a flame up i 've tried to be as more expicit as i could be lol but looks like i'm typing again the same thoughts expressed before.... i need to check my english up maybe eheh

p.s.: Since english is not my first language i've corrected your quoted text, that taken alone is very ambiguous . "But don't blame other for cheating if the don't fly with your settings" was the meaning

[Gilly]

Blackouts are a pain for me, and i tend to loose chasing plane on blackout. Specially after drinking few beers... :-) Don't get me wrong. On my ps3 / TV system, i can hardly see tru blackout even if i put brigthness at maximum. I can't wipe the black out effect away as you think. I might post a video on you tube if you don't belive me.

I don't get red out in PS3. :(


I talk abour fair play, i won't cheat playing poker, i won't cheat playing ps3. I take distance from people who seeks "honor" behind a joypad. But that's off topic :cool:

But that's not the point. you are talking about real life, i'm talking about
brightness settings. And you say cheating.

I don't feel like raising brightenss is cheating. It's a setting. Like elevator settigs. Like virtual cockpit.

I hope this thread will not became a flame up i 've tryed to be as more expiciti as i could be lol

p.s.: Since english is not my first language i've corrected your quoted text, that taken alone is very ambiguous. "But don't blame other for cheating if the
don't fly with your settings" it's the meaning of my post

Rest assured my friend I'm not trying to 'flame' you at all. I'm trying to understand why people are doing and justifying this.

And we do get red out on PS3!! As I said climb up to a decent height then point the nose down and push forward hard, the red will start to encroach on the screen just as blackout does.

[MACADEMIC]

Well, if I may throw in my 2 cents, I wouldn't call this cheating, but cheeky.

I wouldn't adjust my tv so that I can see through the blackouts to gain an advantage. I accept blackouts as part of the game and wouldn't want to artificially avoid them. Most people probaby don't, so those who do can almost be sure that they have an advantage over everyone else.

Some inequalities cannot be avoided, such as what the quality and size of the tv is that people have, or the kind of joysticks they're using. But this is an inequality that can be avoided by the game from the start.

So, for the sequel, I fully agree with Robotic Pope that this issue should be addressed from the start. Blackouts should be blackouts, for everybody.

MAC

P.S.: What is a lag switch?

[McQ59]

Hi MAC

This illustrates the lag-switch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyXBWJYZnjA


So here we go digging out the pliers and cords... :-D

[dkwookie]

This strikes me as pretty desperate tactics. Can't say I have a huge issue with it but it's pretty desperate.
I prefer to leave my tv pic as it is and use the force

[Gilly]

This strikes me as pretty desperate tactics. Can't say I have a huge issue with it but it's pretty desperate.
I prefer to leave my tv pic as it is and use the force

"turn the brightness up Luke....let go....trust me"

[JRHOODY1]

ok so am a cheat thats really funny guys,i dont see why this is a big issue? no need for personal attacks, the settings i put out dos not make you a better player, it is for the benefit of the new players, new players come into lobbies get shot to bits so if it dont sit well with people fair enough, and i will take anybody up in the air to show, yes disagree or agree your choice,

[vdomini]

Well, if I may throw in my 2 cents, I wouldn't call this cheating, but cheeky.

I wouldn't adjust my tv so that I can see through the blackouts to gain an advantage. I accept blackouts as part of the game and wouldn't want to artificially avoid them. Most people probaby don't, so those who do can almost be sure that they have an advantage over everyone else.

Some inequalities cannot be avoided, such as what the quality and size of the tv is that people have, or the kind of joysticks they're using. But this is an inequality that can be avoided by the game from the start.

So, for the sequel, I fully agree with Robotic Pope that this issue should be addressed from the start. Blackouts should be blackouts, for everybody.

MAC

P.S.: What is a lag switch?


Blackout are very dangerous in cockpit view.
I remember in one of yours nightmare game ( full sens cockpit view ) once you shoot a burts of bullet at me and my windshield was completely turned black by smoke.... oh lol i was dead 2 second after :-)

[MACADEMIC]

LOL Vdomini,

Well that's another kind of Blackout ;) Wonder what some may bring to this one - a set of windshield wipers? ;)

Hope to fly with all you great guys again soon!

MAC

P.S.: By the way, I've just heard that those of you who had problems posting on the devs forum - it should be fixed now.

[winny]

That was a joke post using photoshop. If you turn up your brightness to see through blackouts/dark terrain, then surely when you follow an enemy skyward you will have the opposite effect, and have whiteout.


Cool, I just remembered the pic more than the context.

[olife]

the best ways to see others while blackouting:

1-practice
2- go in training mode,cockpit view only,hud totally disabled,sim mode,dark map,10 ennemy pilots veterans,and train to see them ,u can add no map..it is very hard but good to train.

[bobbysocks]

blackoutsand redouts should be as i believe pope mentioned..more of a tunnel vision...darker around the edge and progressively lighter towards the middle. not a complete blackwash like it is here. that is the way it was in another game i used to play and worked well. the difference between turning up the brightness of the tv and setting the sensitivities is in a real plane you CAN adjust trim and such to give you more control. you cannot do anything about blackout save for a g-suit...which reminded me i would like that as an unlock in BoS. but conversely, as for shaking a finger at someone for turning the brightness to gain unfair advantage on the claim it wasnt in real life....in real life they didnt have a zoom feature either to help identify ac or see what direction it is breaking to. and how many of us use that?? you can argue that eveyone has that feature so the playing field is level...everyone has a brightness button too. i know players whose advice to getting more kills was to hit zoom to aim and shoot. i will fly how it suits me. i have no control over how others set things up to suit their taste. if i have issues with them...i just wont fly with them.

[WildBoar44]

Please note this---- I am the player responsible for JRHOODY sharing some information with everyone about help in Sim.....If you want to address your gripe then this should be aimed at me.

Firstly.....please read the Thread Header again..."how to see other's while blacking out "....read it again....?? Yes, setting's or not you still black out in the turn....you just make out what is going on around you clearer.

First please only use kind and considerate words toward my friend JRHOODY...he is a well respected player and forum member and i will not accept anything else. Mr Robotic Pope...I am only junior to your status as a respected expereinced player and senior forum member and your choice of script agreeable or not I still respect your views without challenge. But do not ever use the word "cheat" and my friend JRHOODY in the same sentence. Afford him the respect others pay you.

Second Sim is hard....I once posted my first funny view on Sim, and it was soon clear that this is where the real challenge lay. Arcade Lobbie's are a plenty...Realistic Lobbie's are more frequent now....Sim Lobbie's not so.

What JRHOODY did last night was offer to take me to one side....offer some hint's and tip's on setting of PS3 pad / Aircraft / TV settings. He did this for two hours of his own time and his only reward was maybe getting one more player into Sim that would otherwise feel reluctant. I would suspect that the outrage this has caused by going "public" on the Tv issue now tells me a lot more than I realised.

I have been offered help before...Yuma....No2 in Arcade Dogfight, a Great Great worthy Advisary and friend sent me some Custom setting for Spitfire's. Did it help me get into the top 50...yes....can I beat Yuma...Sanibelfram...Meoestro ..Mav...Ruffmonk....geckogeek....sweet mistic....FrogSaunders.....no i cant...but we have great memorable battles me trying and I think they appreciate a better opponent.

Scottyvt4 was instumental in being my Guide in stepping up into Realistic...taught me setting's, where to aim, how to catch the stall and many other thing's...was his advice a threat to anyone ? No I dont think so, but I play Realistic to a standard where I can offer an opponent a worthy challenge...but can I beat Mav...Rattman...Viper-ss...FOCK1T....Beanzie...JEOD....MonsterHQ...bousa t....piednoir...IKKURINA....Lebrave...WalterNovotn y...and the other great player...no I cant but I became a better opponent for being there thanks to Scottyvt4.

Now JRHOODY is helping me into Sim...how about busy Sim Lobbies with a lot of newer player's....that what my friend want's to achieve or at least try...

So with my Custom Tv and PS3 pad setting will I now go into Sim with an easier introduction...yes....am i encouraged to try Sim...yes....am I going to be a Killer overnight...NO...no setting will ever get me near the skill's from Olife-....McQ59...Kavorland...Walter....JR...MACADEMIC.. ...themeistor.....vdomini....But I do want to be in the game at least to witness them and learn to be a better opponent.


If I am ever in a Sim lobby and you object to me being in the game...send me a message and I will bow out not a word said. If you let me stay then allow me to learn from you....setting's or not...Skill is Skill and Good Sim players have it and allow me to be a worthy opponent.

So my friend JRHOODY.....thank you for trying to bring more into the Game




Wildboar



.

[olife]

JRHOODY and WILLBOAR44 ARE A GENTLEMAN AND A GREAT AND FAIR PLAYERS,I PLAY OFTEN WITH THEM AND KNOW THEM .THEY ARE NOT A CHEATERS!!!
RESPECT TO U BOTH GUYS!!!

[Robotic Pope]

Please note this---- I am the player responsible for JRHOODY sharing some information with everyone about help in Sim.....If you want to address your gripe then this should be aimed at me.

Firstly.....please read the Thread Header again..."how to see other's while blacking out "....read it again....?? Yes, setting's or not you still black out in the turn....you just make out what is going on around you clearer.

First please only use kind and considerate words toward my friend JRHOODY...he is a well respected player and forum member and i will not accept anything else. Mr Robotic Pope...I am only junior to your status as a respected expereinced player and senior forum member and your choice of script agreeable or not I still respect your views without challenge. But do not ever use the word "cheat" and my friend JRHOODY in the same sentence. Afford him the respect others pay you.

Second Sim is hard....I once posted my first funny view on Sim, and it was soon clear that this is where the real challenge lay. Arcade Lobbie's are a plenty...Realistic Lobbie's are more frequent now....Sim Lobbie's not so.

What JRHOODY did last night was offer to take me to one side....offer some hint's and tip's on setting of PS3 pad / Aircraft / TV settings. He did this for two hours of his own time and his only reward was maybe getting one more player into Sim that would otherwise feel reluctant. I would suspect that the outrage this has caused by going "public" on the Tv issue now tells me a lot more than I realised.

I have been offered help before...Yuma....No2 in Arcade Dogfight, a Great Great worthy Advisary and friend sent me some Custom setting for Spitfire's. Did it help me get into the top 50...yes....can I beat Yuma...Sanibelfram...Meoestro ..Mav...Ruffmonk....geckogeek....sweet mistic....FrogSaunders.....no i cant...but we have great memorable battles me trying and I think they appreciate a better opponent.

Scottyvt4 was instumental in being my Guide in stepping up into Realistic...taught me setting's, where to aim, how to catch the stall and many other thing's...was his advice a threat to anyone ? No I dont think so, but I play Realistic to a standard where I can offer an opponent a worthy challenge...but can I beat Mav...Rattman...Viper-ss...FOCK1T....Beanzie...JEOD....MonsterHQ...bousa t....piednoir...IKKURINA....Lebrave...WalterNovotn y...and the other great player...no I cant but I became a better opponent for being there thanks to Scottyvt4.

Now JRHOODY is helping me into Sim...how about busy Sim Lobbies with a lot of newer player's....that what my friend want's to achieve or at least try...

So with my Custom Tv and PS3 pad setting will I now go into Sim with an easier introduction...yes....am i encouraged to try Sim...yes....am I going to be a Killer overnight...NO...no setting will ever get me near the skill's from Olife-....McQ59...Kavorland...Walter....JR...MACADEMIC.. ....vdomini....But I do want to be in the game at least to witness them and learn to be a better opponent.


If I am ever in a Sim lobby and you object to me being in the game...send me a message and I will bow out not a word said. If you let me stay then allow me to learn from you....setting's or not...Skill is Skill and Good Sim players have it and allow me to be a worthy opponent.

So my friend JRHOODY.....thank you for trying to bring more into the Game




Wildboar



.

Maybe I should apologise. It was not my intention to call JRHOODY a cheat. I just was a bit anoyed by how he replied to my first post using agressive style 1st, 2nd, 3rd statments, pointedly telling me I am wrong when he clearly didn't have the full infomation of the history of the game or knowlage about differing TV settings.

Now perhaps cheating is too strong a word for a cheat this minor. Exploiting is maybe a better word. Unlike the control sensitivity, the brightness control is not there for this intention. But then if you are all happy employing this while playing each other then i'm glad you are enjoying playing sim.
But to come on this forum and basicaly say "Hey everyone, this how you can do it too" is obviously going to get some frowns even if your intentions are good.

[Zatoichi_Sanjuro]

....

Can you post a screenshot of what it looks like in normal flight, and then in a high-G turn, please?

[D16]

A few interresting points in this discussion...
Been following this forum a lot in quiet for a long time, more often than I've been playing the game.

I wan't to play sim, only. But it is hard.
It's been amazing to see the skills of the aces on the recent sim games I've joined.
The other night I experienced the best so far.
A series of FW190's vs P51's and it was great.
A couple of nights ago I hoped to follow up on that... but what a disaster.
Last efforts were 1vs1 aganist KAV. Must have bored him to death with my skills :grin::grin:

The longevity of BoP is fantastic. And as of late it even seems to grow.
I wan't to be better. To be a worthy teamplayer, a better opponent.
Because that's when BoP is thrilling.

But seems the learning curve took another steep climb.
I'm willing to learn everything there is to know, within the limits and borders intended in creating BoP.
So if someone is willing to share, just do it :)
Maybe a thread in the form of Q&A??

Thank you, now I'll wipe the sweat of my hands and pad get up there for more beating :)

[winny]

Being objective, I took BoP round to a friends house, first thing I noticed was that the blackouts were black, really black. At home I can see something through the blackout even when it's full on.

The main reason for this is that his TV cost £1500 more than mine. I have to push the brightness on my HD LCD because it's just not a satisfactory image if I calibrate it 'properly'. His has a much better black than I get.

If JRHOODY told my mate to turn up his brightness he'd say thanks, where I may say turn it up? That's cheating, etc..

Not everyone here is starting from the same position, for some pushing the brightness may just get them to where you already are.

The only real way this would be a big advantage would be on a CRT TV where brightness and contrast have a much more pronounced effect.
But a CRT TV would be a disadvantage because of the resolution.

[JRHOODY1]

[QUOTE=WildBoar44;295095]Please note this---- I am the player responsible for JRHOODY sharing some information with everyone about help in Sim.....If you want to address your gripe then this should be aimed at me.

Firstly.....please read the Thread Header again..."how to see other's while blacking out "....read it again....?? Yes, setting's or not you still black out in the turn....you just make out what is going on around you clearer.

First please only use kind and considerate words toward my friend JRHOODY...he is a well respected player and forum member and i will not accept anything else. Mr Robotic Pope...I am only junior to your status as a respected expereinced player and senior forum member and your choice of script agreeable or not I still respect your views without challenge. But do not ever use the word "cheat" and my friend JRHOODY in the same sentence. Afford him the respect others pay you.

Second Sim is hard....I once posted my first funny view on Sim, and it was soon clear that this is where the real challenge lay. Arcade Lobbie's are a plenty...Realistic Lobbie's are more frequent now....Sim Lobbie's not so.

What JRHOODY did last night was offer to take me to one side....offer some hint's and tip's on setting of PS3 pad / Aircraft / TV settings. He did this for two hours of his own time and his only reward was maybe getting one more player into Sim that would otherwise feel reluctant. I would suspect that the outrage this has caused by going "public" on the Tv issue now tells me a lot more than I realised.

I have been offered help before...Yuma....No2 in Arcade Dogfight, a Great Great worthy Advisary and friend sent me some Custom setting for Spitfire's. Did it help me get into the top 50...yes....can I beat Yuma...Sanibelfram...Meoestro ..Mav...Ruffmonk....geckogeek....sweet mistic....FrogSaunders.....no i cant...but we have great memorable battles me trying and I think they appreciate a better opponent.

Scottyvt4 was instumental in being my Guide in stepping up into Realistic...taught me setting's, where to aim, how to catch the stall and many other thing's...was his advice a threat to anyone ? No I dont think so, but I play Realistic to a standard where I can offer an opponent a worthy challenge...but can I beat Mav...Rattman...Viper-ss...FOCK1T....Beanzie...JEOD....MonsterHQ...bousa t....piednoir...IKKURINA....Lebrave...WalterNovotn y...and the other great player...no I cant but I became a better opponent for being there thanks to Scottyvt4.

Now JRHOODY is helping me into Sim...how about busy Sim Lobbies with a lot of newer player's....that what my friend want's to achieve or at least try...

So with my Custom Tv and PS3 pad setting will I now go into Sim with an easier introduction...yes....am i encouraged to try Sim...yes....am I going to be a Killer overnight...NO...no setting will ever get me near the skill's from Olife-....McQ59...Kavorland...Walter....JR...MACADEMIC.. ...themeistor.....vdomini....But I do want to be in the game at least to witness them and learn to be a better opponent.


If I am ever in a Sim lobby and you object to me being in the game...send me a message and I will bow out not a word said. If you let me stay then allow me to learn from you....setting's or not...Skill is Skill and Good Sim players have it and allow me to be a worthy opponent.

So my friend JRHOODY.....thank you for trying to bring more into the Game




Wildboar



.[/QUOTE thank you for your kind words wildboar my friend, as far as directing criticism to you i wont have that, the settings is for seeing planes up close spot the enemy sooner yes and seeing others while blacking out, i truely am sorry if people dont like what i have done but there is a bigger picture here as wildboar said trying to help the new players is the main reason i did this,and it works 100%see i felt that shooting the new players up all the time getting 10, 20 kills was not on, even if i injoyed it, for those of you that have tryed the settings good on you?ps post your findings folks,

:grin::grin:

[JRHOODY1]

JRHOODY and WILLBOAR44 ARE A GENTLEMAN AND A GREAT AND FAIR PLAYERS,I PLAY OFTEN WITH THEM AND KNOW THEM .THEY ARE NOT A CHEATERS!!!
RESPECT TO U BOTH GUYS!!!thank you my french friend you always make me laugh online top bloke

:grin:

[JRHOODY1]

Well, if I may throw in my 2 cents, I wouldn't call this cheating, but cheeky.

I wouldn't adjust my tv so that I can see through the blackouts to gain an advantage. I accept blackouts as part of the game and wouldn't want to artificially avoid them. Most people probaby don't, so those who do can almost be sure that they have an advantage over everyone else.

Some inequalities cannot be avoided, such as what the quality and size of the tv is that people have, or the kind of joysticks they're using. But this is an inequality that can be avoided by the game from the start.

So, for the sequel, I fully agree with Robotic Pope that this issue should be addressed from the start. Blackouts should be blackouts, for everybody.

MAC

P.S.: What is a lag switch?hello mac remember what you called me a while back, grasshopper when i first joined sim, things have changed my friend, where are you we had some great games p51vd9 the past few nights you haven't been online?ps cheeky lol

:grin::grin:

[olife]

thank you my french friend you always make me laugh online top bloke

:grin:

thanks too irish bro!!!
yes the il2 games ,all the evenings,with u and the others guys are super,a very good atmosphere! top bloke too bro!!
and,when i try to speak english with my terrible french accent!!hihihihi...i crash...!!merde!!

[JRHOODY1]

I completely disagree with you.

Tweaking on the in game brightness or TV to see better to me it's like lowering elevator sensitivity while flying a plane, avoiding stalling, or disable the cockpit view when available. It's just a personal setting, definetly not a way of cheating. If the devs wanted a fixed brightness settings they wouldn't allowed you the option, or, like most recent game ( dead space 2 for example ), they would make you set the bright level in-game at the beginning, comparing the slider value with a brightness reference picture.

Feel like flying at 0 brightness? Do it.
Feel like flying full sensitivity? Do it.
Feel like flying cockpit? Do it.

But don't blame other for cheating if the don't fly with your settings. Some people still play on CRT TV, some don't have a full HD plasma tv, i mean... It's your personal decision. It's not the brightness settings that will save your wings against a skilled pilot.

Also, when i fly against an opponent, i always think he's flyig with "no-handicap" and at his maximum TV, joypad controller / sensitivity / cockpit performance, ready to shoot lead on my ass. so NO MERCY :D ! I personally love flying in cockpit view and sometimes full sensitivity too, but i like fair games so i goes into that options only when previously agreeded with the players. Maybe next time i'll ask about their TV brightness too lol

Also, I feel like the dev added the black out effect just to make the game looks nicer, probably to disturb your sight on darker map ( i can hardly see ad dawn or sunset mission or while flying cloud covered in blackouts) , it's just a nice feature. If they really wanted to 100% blind you on blackouts, they would make it fade to completely black. Or, maybe, blending the enemy plane ( making him progressively transparent ) while fade out. There are several way to achive that kind of effect in 3d games... I wonder why they have not added the same on negative G but only positive.

Of course, those are my opinion. Take it easy and have fun! :)spot on buddy i like the way you think be on tonight i love the way you fly the p51 great to watch see you in the air friend?

:-P:-P:-P

[JRHOODY1]

thanks too irish bro!!!
yes the il2 games ,all the evenings,with u and the others guys are super,a very good atmosphere! top bloke too bro!!
and,when i try to speak english with my terrible french accent!!hihihihi...i crash...!!merde!!dont forget good shoot,lol buddy i will be on tonight if your up for taking down some d9s?

:)

[Robotic Pope]

I'm wondering do you PS3 guys ever do things like having new sim players in SpitMIX or LA-5 against sim Veterans in FW190 or Mustang. I find this really gives the new guys a good close match.

[JRHOODY1]

blackoutsand redouts should be as i believe pope mentioned..more of a tunnel vision...darker around the edge and progressively lighter towards the middle. not a complete blackwash like it is here. that is the way it was in another game i used to play and worked well. the difference between turning up the brightness of the tv and setting the sensitivities is in a real plane you CAN adjust trim and such to give you more control. you cannot do anything about blackout save for a g-suit...which reminded me i would like that as an unlock in BoS. but conversely, as for shaking a finger at someone for turning the brightness to gain unfair advantage on the claim it wasnt in real life....in real life they didnt have a zoom feature either to help identify ac or see what direction it is breaking to. and how many of us use that?? you can argue that eveyone has that feature so the playing field is level...everyone has a brightness button too. i know players whose advice to getting more kills was to hit zoom to aim and shoot. i will fly how it suits me. i have no control over how others set things up to suit their taste. if i have issues with them...i just wont fly with them.hello mr bobbysocks you are indeed one of the top forum members really the videos the stories from the guys that were there in the war i just want to thank you its the first thing i go to when on form great reads?

[themeistor1]

I'm wondering do you PS3 guys ever do things like having new sim players in SpitMIX or LA-5 against sim Veterans in FW190 or Mustang. I find this really gives the new guys a good close match.

That happens all the time pope (JR still takes his spit into battle against 190 d9s') we usually leave newcomers alone for a while as well and we are always ready to share our knowledge

[Robotic Pope]

I completely disagree with you.

Tweaking on the in game brightness or TV to see better to me it's like lowering elevator sensitivity while flying a plane, avoiding stalling, or disable the cockpit view when available. It's just a personal setting, definetly not a way of cheating. If the devs wanted a fixed brightness settings they wouldn't allowed you the option, or, like most recent game ( dead space 2 for example ), they would make you set the bright level in-game at the beginning, comparing the slider value with a brightness reference picture.

Feel like flying at 0 brightness? Do it.
Feel like flying full sensitivity? Do it.
Feel like flying cockpit? Do it.

But don't blame other for cheating if the don't fly with your settings. Some people still play on CRT TV, some don't have a full HD plasma tv, i mean... It's your personal decision. It's not the brightness settings that will save your wings against a skilled pilot.

Also, when i fly against an opponent, i always think he's flyig with "no-handicap" and at his maximum TV, joypad controller / sensitivity / cockpit performance, ready to shoot lead on my ass. so NO MERCY :D ! I personally love flying in cockpit view and sometimes full sensitivity too, but i like fair games so i goes into that options only when previously agreeded with the players. Maybe next time i'll ask about their TV brightness too lol

Also, I feel like the dev added the black out effect just to make the game looks nicer, probably to disturb your sight on darker map ( i can hardly see ad dawn or sunset mission or while flying cloud covered in blackouts) , it's just a nice feature. If they really wanted to 100% blind you on blackouts, they would make it fade to completely black. Or, maybe, blending the enemy plane ( making him progressively transparent ) while fade out. There are several way to achive that kind of effect in 3d games... I wonder why they have not added the same on negative G but only positive.

Of course, those are my opinion. Take it easy and have fun! :)

forgot to reply to this one.

There is a big difference between Sensitivity adjustment, virtual cockpit and Brightness control. The sensitivity is there to change the sensitvity of your stick and that is what we use it for. Same with the Virtual cockpit, it is there to give you a better view of your surroundings and that is why people use it.

Brightness controll is there so you can adjust the game to your TV so you can play the game looking at its best and how the developers intended. This is why a lot of games have a picture in a black square and you adjust the brightness untill you can only just about see the picture. This is not what it is being used for here which is why it is an exploit. You are exploiting a setting the developers put there for people that have TVs with very dark blacks, using it for a different unintented purpose which gives you ability that wasn't intended by the developer.

The developer cannot foresee everything we do. This is why exploits are common in games.

[Robotic Pope]

That happens all the time pope (JR still takes his spit into battle against 190 d9s') we usually leave newcomers alone for a while as well and we are always ready to share our knowledge

Cool, I hope there are a good choice of crappy planes in Birds of Steel aswell . Just maybe not the 190 and Mustang this time lol.

Newbs in Zero's V Vets in Warhawks ? :grin:

[olife]

dont forget good shoot,lol buddy i will be on tonight if your up for taking down some d9s?

:)

yes!!i will be!!family watch movie and i will play after!!for sure!!!
see u later bro aces!!

[vdomini]

Okay gentlemen... yesterday i 've been tweaking with the in game brightness to see how it influence the black out. Very well, on my LCD screen, in game brightness settings doesn't affect much. I've had few games with 0 bright and i performed as usual.



Now, guess what pic have zero bright, and wich one have full bright. LOL


1)http://i54.tinypic.com/t0khgx.jpg



2)http://i54.tinypic.com/9ape93.jpg

[Robotic Pope]

Okay gentlemen... yesterday i 've been tweaking with the in game brightness to see how it influence the black out. Very well, on my LCD screen, in game brightness settings doesn't affect much. I've had few games with 0 bright and i performed as usual.



Now, guess what pic have zero bright, and wich one have full bright. LOL




To be honest they both look very washed grey. I can't really tell. Maybe that is just the photo?

On my £100 19inch moniter the sky is bluer and the ground alot darker with more colour. Thats at zero brightness level which is where I think gives the best picture for my screen. Put it up to max and its quite a bit different with eveything that was once a dark colour now being a light grey.

[JRHOODY1]

Okay gentlemen... yesterday i 've been tweaking with the in game brightness to see how it influence the black out. Very well, on my LCD screen, in game brightness settings doesn't affect much. I've had few games with 0 bright and i performed as usual.



Now, guess what pic have zero bright, and wich one have full bright. LOL


1)http://i54.tinypic.com/t0khgx.jpg



2)http://i54.tinypic.com/9ape93.jpgcould you post again this time closer to the ground with a plane behind you please buddy with the black out happening please,how do i post pictures,

:)

[MATALIEBRES]

good game last night

[vdomini]

good game last night

oh yes was great!! Hope to have more free time soon!! Thanks for playng!!


@ jhroody, i dont have enough free hand to turn,
move the camera and shoot a pic with ccd camera same time lol


@ robotic pope: lol , that pic posting was a joke :) you cant tell slightly brighntess variation from such bad taken pictures lol i was trying to make some fun. :) dont take that seriously . Anyway, lcd screens tend to have black color look brighter than crt or plasma, because of retro illumination. ( probably u know that ) so black pixel might suffer from near pixel highlight... I do have a telefunken full hd, quite cheap but works pretty well.

(srry i might have done some typo using ipod keyboard)

bybyee