Whats the origin of the online expresion salute?

[raaaid]

and dont you think its a sahme its been lost?

i remember hearing it first in eaw

[Sternjaeger]

look what you find if you Google it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salute

also, you can find this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

[raaaid]

MORITuri salute but i was wondering the online origin and why is not used anymore :(

edit:

im clearly ontopic here

the online now is about kill kill kill

a fight one to one is beatifull and deserves a saulte

10 guys slaughtering one is ugly and deserves no salute

killing an unaware pray deserves no salute

no do wonder why there are no more salutes online

the old times was a chivalry aerial wwi now its at everything is valid cause we simulate war wwii

edit:

out of curiosity i read what a troll is:

a person who searches an emotional response:

actaully i admitt i do that

have you noticed i only post beautifull things?

thats cause i want people to have nice emotions

i do with this post intending a emotion of knighthood

but then theres nothing wrong with being a trol who produces good emotions in other

it would be a matter of good emotions like love and knighthood vs bad emotions like hate and playing low :)

edit:

now you trolled me cause i wonder if im a troll after reading your link

but you dont know me, im really like this, very concerned with chavalry and odd stuff

if you ask in the ubizoo 99% of people will tell you im not a troll, and i spent 10 years there and wrote very odd stuff and provoking emotions :)

in fact now i have the paranoia if the person who wrote that in the wikipedia had me in mind, thanks a lot for the troll :)

[Luftrofl]

look what you find if you Google it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salute

also, you can find this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

Funny how usually it's the guys trying to make fun of raaaid that end up looking like fools.

He's asking about the internet game version in case you still don't get it.

S!

[Letum]

if you ask in the ubizoo....

ha

[raaaid]

im doing my best to bring chivalry back

i was wondering if i would get banned for this and i didnt mind, the peace of mind

guys lets start making nice dogfights and give a warm salute after a fight between gentelman

if somone shoots you unware say nosalute

if you are on a ten minutes dogfight and someone shoots you or shoots your foe give hin a nosalute

lets not let the other cod players take over the game

as you can see im trying to get an emotianl response

the emotion of being a fair player not a low player

[[RS]Boomer]

MORITuri salute but i was wondering the online origin and why is not used anymore :(

edit:

im clearly ontopic here

the online now is about kill kill kill

a fight one to one is beatifull and deserves a saulte

10 guys slaughtering one is ugly and deserves no salute

killing an unaware pray deserves no salute

no do wonder why there are no more salutes online

the old times was a chivalry aerial wwi now its at everything is valid cause we simulate war wwii

I always ~S~ after a good fight, as do all my squad mates. It is a polite thing to do. If you defended your ass off and get shot down then you see that guy acknowledges that you defended your ass off, it feels pretty good.

So ~S~ everyone :cool:

[Sternjaeger]

Funny how usually it's the guys trying to make fun of raaaid that end up looking like fools.

He's asking about the internet game version in case you still don't get it.

S!

ah, that's clear now, thank you buddy.. :rolleyes:

[Ali Fish]

For me this originated back in the days of early 3d flightsims simply because you and your friends were in a clan or similar and you didnt say hello, you said ~S~ or S! or some derivative. a civillian light hearted nod at how they communicate in the military. When i shot someone down i always said " lol ". It's not cool to salute the enemy when you can wind them up instead !.

[BigPickle]

I always used S! when i shot someone down in European Airwar

[raaaid]

hey guys but dont you send an angry nosalute when youre on a 10 minute dogfight and a 190 comes and spoils the fun

hell why people doesnt behave as is this was a real fight

but a fight for fun

would it make any sense anyone interruptin two boxers

do you think it would be nice you engaged in a fight and while 5 people kicked one to the ground you go and kick him as he is down

then why most do it in the game

i want to play online and feel that humanity is worth not a bunch of haters

edit:

when i go online i feel hate

so strong i stopped shooting

in the old times i felt camaradery

will taKe the other cod players over the comunity?

[Tree_UK]

It was used when i played Air Attack, the squadron I was in called The Aces always saluted. This was before the days of broadband, it was all dial up, there wasn't any voice comms so abbreviations were used instead. Great days. :grin:

[No1 Cheese]

Raaaid,im 1 of those silent types in the forum,ie i send a thank you when someone has posted and i tend to stay well clear of the silly comments!!
As you say you heard it 1st in EAW.I used to run an online Sqdn (No74Sqdn(V)RAF) and it was our No1 rule that if we got shot down(obviously it never happened to me much:rolleyes:) we automatically sent an S! to our victor.
It is a custome that has sadly slipped away.

Good Post by the wayu

S!

Cheees

[conio]

From latin "salutăre" meaning "greetings"

[raaaid]

i have an idea to bring the salute back, plz guys support me if you want a nice spirit and dont want an spirit of this is war everythings valid comunity

football since ancient times is a war simulation yet players dont kill each other

there should be 3 basic rules to play online to keep the other cod players to the other cod

1)no vulching

this is common sense and its mostly implemented

2)no interrupting dogfights weather one vs one 2 vs 2 or whatever

this rule would simulate better history, i dont think pilots had to satnd waves after waves after waves

3)not murdering an unaware prey

from this comes the expresion backstubbing and is not proper of gentlemen

dont you think the game would rock if these 3 simples rules were implemented?

and you would shoot and be shot with love instead of hate

[[URU]AkeR]

Salute is still used a lot in IL2 1946. Especially in full real servers or online wars.

I agree that saluting should be encouraged, but i disagree in this, when someone kills you and you didnt even see him coming, that guy you must salute and learn from him, because he manages to take down another AC without putting himself in danger and thats what real pilots aimed at.

And if you get killed alone by three or four guys that are coordinated and hit you one after another you should salute them for their teamwork, and learn when to fight and when to run.

[41Sqn_Stormcrow]

I think there are about as many conception about how to play a combat flight sim as there are players. I can understand that some see it like a sort of competition (you mentioned boxing as an analogy). Others like the teamwork. Again other simply see it as a war simulation. Finally there are some that want to mass kills on their score board. And certainly there are other ways to see it.

I think each of these is a valid way to see this sim. The important thing is that people stick to the server rules and that they have respect for the other players and remain polite.

[philip.ed]

3)not murdering an unaware prey

from this comes the expresion backstubbing and is not proper of gentlemen

dont you think the game would rock if these 3 simples rules were implemented?

and you would shoot and be shot with love instead of hate


I'm not being rude, but I'm happy you don't serve for your country.
At the end of the day, a fight will usually boil down to man vs man, and to win a war, you have to kill as many of the opposition as possible (to put it simply).
I think if you talked to anyone who served in the airforce for their country during any conflict, they would tell you that if there was the opportunity for the perfect, glorious, intercept where the enemy was completely oblivious; they would take it. It makes perfect sense.
It's nice to advocate such chivilrous ideas, but how do you know this enemy which you were considerate too won't end up shooting you down and killing you in the ensuing fight? And how will that help your country win the war?
As Lord Raglan noted about the character of Captain Nolan during the Crimean war: 'it will be a murderous affair when soldiers are as knowledgable in military affairs as Captain Nolan' (regarding Nolan's military expertise and knowledge in military tactics). I think Raglan's Crimean affair speaks clearly for the merits (or, rather, demerits) of such a comment.
Indeed, let's take a look at WW1; pilots found that the easiest way to kill your prey was to stay above them at altitude, then dive down, put a bullet in the back of their skull, and return home ready for the next sortie.
War is not glorious, and it's naive to assume it ever will be, Raaaid.

I can understand that you may suffer from conflicting and simplistic emotions,(along with the need to post e v e r y t h i n g that comes into your head) but I really think you should think about some of the things that you post, before you hit the submit button.

[raaaid]

well if this is a simulation of war allow vulching

i find most annoying being interrupted in a long adrenaline booster dogfight than being vulched

and if you want it historic how historic is single planes coming wave after wave

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you want realism?

i bet 99% of two vs two dogfights werent interrupted by other planes

in the game online 99% of dogfights are interrupted

hell i hated the 190 with all my heart and end flying one in front of the evidence, 1 month later i was off the game

salute was a sign of friendship

if a scorehore gains amzing scores as i did ten to 1 but unhistorically getting advantage of dogfighters how much frienship are you gonna feel for that guy

the force is intense online but the dark side is dominating it

now its all about hate, venting off steam and unfair play

the old knights are leaving the game, honour is forgotten, no more salutes :(

and the youth easily impressed by the fast rewards of the dark side are taking on the comunity and thinking on reporting this post :(

[philip.ed]

You've answered your own questions.
yes, it is a simulation of war, but every pilot will have their own way of flying and fighting (the same is true on a squadron basis as well).
I remember reading a pilot account from the BoB when he recalled a bomber being shot at by a handful of hurricanes, and flew in, shot it down and went home. Vulching? Yes, but all in good humour. I think it's a British thing.
Pilots will know not to target A/C which are clearly going down or in the process of being shot down. But whilst it's nice to have a constitution for how to fly online, everyone is an idividual, so let them enjoy the game as they wish.
Because I'm not being funny Raaaid, if we could simply draw up a set of rules for how to behave online etc, your (largely) ridiculous stupid posts would be banned in a flash. In fact, you would be banned. Do you see what I'm getting at? Everyone is their own person, so let it stay that way.
Big Brother is watching you...

[raaaid]

well i complain because i have a nice dogfight once in a hundred, in the old times i always had nice dogfight

hasnt anyone else noticed?

for gods sake this is a dogfighting game in which you cant dogfight for the peculiaritys of the online system which is taking advantage of the dogfighters

thats not even bnz

bnz is a dogfight

a dogfight in which you use your e advantage in a DOGFIGHT

salute was given aftyer a dogfight no more dogfights no more salutes

for gods sake does anyone think an spit would beat an F16 in a DOGFIGHT for having a closer turning radius?

maybe the f16 has to run away and wait for the spit to engage in a dogfight and then murder him unaware while he is busy

edit:

in fact the zeroes out turn the p40 in an up circle

but the p40 out turn the zeros in a down circle
the comunity is rewritting history as they get shot down online

[philip.ed]

Yes.

[JimmyBlonde]

I only use ~S~ if I see something exceptional, otherwise it cheapens the gesture.

[MadBlaster]

It used to be that if you had a dogfight, a message would come up so you knew who it was you were murdering. In the old days, on WoP server there was one I really liked. Something like "MadBlaster just blew up Raaaid into a million tiny little pieces" or "MadBlaster just vaporized Raaid" something to that effect. Those messages made my heart beat fast. ;) Anyway, you could give a salute for a good dogfight because you knew who you just murdered. Those were the good old days imo, but nowadays, with everyone so sensitive, they took those messages away. So now you don't know who you are fighting. After a while, it gets ridiculous to give a salute to everyone in the game and you don't know who you are saluting or who you are murdering. So no point in saluting anymore. All you can do now is say, "hey, whoever that was, I salute you". Just another example of the new world order in play. Anonymous online murder, no feeling, no reward, no heartbeat faster.

P.S. Hello Kitty says "hi" raaaid. Nice art btw. Keep up the good work.:grin:

[Buzpilot]

3)not murdering an unaware prey
omg:rolleyes:

[raaaid]

haha i used to remember how nasty the rolled up eyes emoticon used to be

seems someone noticed and now its something like

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_B0GILfaLHME/TPSibaaNCjI/AAAAAAAAAhI/JWNvPyBcXPw/s1600/oh+you.jpg

[Buzpilot]

;), S!

[ParaB]

The most fun thing CoD currently has to offer is raaid's postings on this forum.

It's like watching a clumsy puppy trying to lick itself.

The devs should include his posts as PDF in a future patch so that customers have at least something that makes them smile.

[nearmiss]

This thread reminds me of an old song...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4Kc_mB9N_M&feature=related

[IceFire]

well i complain because i have a nice dogfight once in a hundred, in the old times i always had nice dogfight

hasnt anyone else noticed?

for gods sake this is a dogfighting game in which you cant dogfight for the peculiaritys of the online system which is taking advantage of the dogfighters

thats not even bnz

bnz is a dogfight

a dogfight in which you use your e advantage in a DOGFIGHT

salute was given aftyer a dogfight no more dogfights no more salutes

for gods sake does anyone think an spit would beat an F16 in a DOGFIGHT for having a closer turning radius?

maybe the f16 has to run away and wait for the spit to engage in a dogfight and then murder him unaware while he is busy

edit:

in fact the zeroes out turn the p40 in an up circle

but the p40 out turn the zeros in a down circle
the comunity is rewritting history as they get shot down online
What are you trying to say exactly?

IL-2 isn't a "dogfighting" game. You may want to make it such but it isn't. It's a combat flight simulator of World War II aircraft and the accuracy level is to the point where real world tactics can be employed to varying degrees.

Given the reading that I've done most World War II air combat were short and sharp engagements where the sky would fill briefly with aircraft from each side, usually one side would bounce the other (although not always), a few would be shot down and then the sky would rapidly empty as aircraft scattered and returned home.

The pilots who survived the most combat engagements tended to be the ones who:

1) Spotted the enemy first
2) Shot first
3) Disengaged successfully when the odds were against them

As someone else said... it's not glorious, it's not chivalrous... it's war.

Online some servers and squadrons do impose some rules to make the online experience "fun" but that's neither here nor there.

As to the original topic before it went off on a weird tangent. I've seen S! and ~S~ used online since I started playing in 2003. I use it, not on every kill, but on a kill where the opponent fought well. I'll use it if we fight to a draw, I'll use it if they shot me down after a good fight and I'll use it vice versa.

I see others using it as well. So it's not gone... it's not dead. Your perception of the matter may have more to do with it. No offense but your grasp on reality seems to be more tenuous than most of us (not that we're all completely grounded either :)).