So what's good with this game then?

[Vengeanze]

Got some friends in the US who I send updates about CloD now and then.

In the last mail they asked me what I think is good about CloD compared to IL-2 1946.
I could only find two. Could you help me out and find some more.


Compiled a list from posters suggestions. Looks like a nice game. ;-)

1. Much better Damage Modelling and Flight Modelling (when all is fixed)
2. Better graphics, both cockpit and landscape(when 1C manage to fix shimmering buildings/popup buildings/flickering shadows and flashing clouds/etc).
3. Shadows in cockpit are beautiful
4. 1C approved SDK (when 1C release it)
5. Anti-Cheat for multiplayer
6. Complex engine management (No more B.S. "CEM" that gives you a "engine overheat" message, where you then open radiator fully, and magically engine is "normal" and like brand new; repeat ad infinitum.)
7. Amazing FMB options. Really comprehensive FMB that only misses comprehensive documentation to go with it.
8. People might not agree but auto patching through steam in my eyes is a plus compared to what we had in original Il-2.
9. Ability to customise weapon loadouts. The player can now configure his ammo belt however he wants.
10. Clickable cockpit. I know some don't like it but for me it's really kewl.
11. Extremely flexible game engine (e.g. support for user controlled ground or sea units, new missions loading in the current one in real time, triggers, weather, etc.)
12. C# scripting with unlimited possibilities (can program whatever you like except for FM and DM)
13. Multiplayer is not artificially limited to dogfight or coop. It can be anything you like: Capture airfields in Warbirds style or Warfare in ArmA2 style.
14. Clouds move with wind.
15. Building pop up at much further distance (compare looking at Folkestone from Hawkinge in Il-2 1946 mod map).
16. Motorways and railways with curves!
17. Animations of pilot bailing out, looks sharp even from larger distance.
18. Airfield AI that puts a runway marker out automatically so you see the correct runway to land on.
19. Canopy icing and pitot heater. Note to self, no carbheaters in the spit.
20. Very impressive Explosions, looks like real.

Some comments:
- "Best "flight experience" I've ever had in a combat sim, IL-2 comes second."
- "It's hard for me to describe, but the overall atmospheric ambience of CoD when you're sitting in the cockpit is unequalled anywhere"

[von Pilsner]

4. 1C approved SDK (when 1C release it)
5. Anti-Cheat for multiplayer

[Sauf]

6. Complex engine management.
7. Amazing FMB options.
8. People might not agree but auto patching through steam in my eyes is a plus compared to what we had in original Il-2.
9. Ability to customise weapon loadouts

[MadBlaster]

CLOT
you get steam massage
you get epilepsy protection as U.S. player

1946
you get a good game


Sorry. I couldn't hold back after flying UP 3.0 last half hour. It's good. G limits on the jets much fun.;)

[Vengeanze]

Thanks.

Got to add one more myself

10. Clickable cockpit. I know some don't like it but for me it's really kewl.

[Fjordmonkey]

You get a sim that will stand the test of time as well or better than IL2:1946 once it gets the baseline optimization and fixes it needs to become a "1.0" product.

[Ataros]

- extremely flexible engine (e.g. support for drivable ground or sea units, new missions loading in the current one in real time, triggers, weather, etc.)
- C# scripting with unlimited possibilities (can program whatever you like except for FM and DM)
- multiplayer is not artificially limited to dogfight or coop. It can be anything you like: Capture airfields in Warbirds style or Warfare in ArmA2 style.

[Rattlehead]

In addition to that already mentioned, I'd say damage modelling is far superior in Clod.

Triggers and scripts in the FMB make the FMB very flexible, although there are features such as the destruction tool that is missing, and hopefully will be incorporated one day.

[Pluto]

...good question asked in the wrong moment because right now there is nothing good about it, neither offline nor online.

Offline so many things are missing (battleships etc.,...) the campagnes and single missions are boring and made in a sloppy and negligent way, online its not better. You only have warping planes and missing sound.
All in all its no fun !

Maybe you ask that question again in a few months when they will have patches to fix the crap. Normally you expect patches to fix bugs and stuff, here you have the opportunity to watch how patches cause other crap, (example - proppitch 109) so better wait, maybe half a year until the worst will be hopefully ironed out.
At the moment you better go and play "fishing simulator", that is probably more fun!

:twisted:

[SsSsSsSsSnake]

lol

[baronWastelan]

No more huge hit on FPS when looking towards large towns.

Building pop up at much further distance (compare looking at Folkestone from Hawkinge in Il-2 1946 mod map).

Makes much, much better utilization of latest video cards and quad-core CPU's.

Cockpit animations.

No more B.S. "CEM" that gives you a "engine overheat" message, where you then open radiator fully, and magically engine is "normal" and like brand new; repeat ad infinitum.

Airfield AI that puts a runway marker out automatically so you see the correct runway to land on.

Merlin engine sound (with mod, and yes it's better than Il-2 sound mod)

Motorways and railways with curves!

Clouds move with wind.

[Sven]

What´s up with this whole missing Battleship thingy? I never knew huge fleets engaged in the channel during the BoB? They were all busy protecting the trade routs and other stuff, the channel itself was really dangerous for battleships as well.

[jimbop]

No more B.S. "CEM" that gives you a "engine overheat" message, where you then open radiator fully, and magically engine is "normal" and like brand new; repeat ad infinitum.

Yes, this one. IL-2 is approaching unplayable for me now simply because of the much-improved CEM in CoD.

[Ze-Jamz]

Yes, this one. IL-2 is approaching unplayable for me now simply because of the much-improved CEM in CoD.

Same

[FG28_Kodiak]

What´s up with this whole missing Battleship thingy? I never knew huge fleets engaged in the channel during the BoB? They were all busy protecting the trade routs and other stuff, the channel itself was really dangerous for battleships as well.

For Dunkirk we need Destroyer Type Ships. But i think if the SDK is available, the problem will be solved by talented 3D-Designers outthere ;)

[Bloblast]

Good is:

Aircraft detail
Cockpit graphics + shadows in cockpit
Damage model and Flight model
CEM with clickable is absolutely great
Animations of pilot bailing out, looks sharp even from larger distance.

[Tvrdi]

A: the name....

[Danelov]

Good light and shadow effects in cockpit and aircraft surfaces.
A good base for make nice screenshoots.
Always in theme visual, the strong point of this game, I dont like the fire laser style Tie fighter; sometimes that ruined the screenshots.

[Redroach]

I like the list the OP has compiled. It shows the awesome potential CoD has.. I mean, hell, if some patch makes tanks etc. player-controllable, you could very well set up ground battles as well... the complexity of vehicles is there.

However, the bad thing is, as we all know, that CoD in general is only half-finished and doesn't appear to be fixed in a reasonably short time. This tips the scale in favor of "sigh, I'll rather play something else and file this one as a 'rip-off'" for most people.

[pupaxx]

..the expandability for sure.
I mean, ok alot of bugs affect CloD at the moment but the core engine exists and can be further developped. The textures arent good-looking, ok but they can be changed, the FM/DM idem can be improved as any other element in this sim.
At the moment we have a crap-new sim, in near future we''ll have a polished new sim. How did we get this unpleasant situation is another matter and all complaints must be respected, these have a raison d'etre.
Cheers

[ATAG_Dutch]

I've been doing a bit of whining recently, but the good bit for me is still the overall feeling of 'being there'.

It's hard for me to describe, but the overall atmospheric ambience of CoD when you're sitting in the cockpit is unequalled anywhere, including all the REX, VFR, GEX addons for FSX. For this reason, I always fly with the canopy open.

You look around at the sky, your wing, you lean out to check the colour of your exhaust flame, you check your gauges, then spot the enemy and dive to the attack.
Then you realise that shooting them down is difficult, as it must've been IRL, the rear gunner pops one in your engine and you have to crash land in the undulating landscape with its various types of highly detailed vegetation (although the tree issue is well known).

A couple of months ago, I said I could 'almost smell the air' and I stand by that view.
So in spite of my recent whining, I just can't leave it alone.:)

[Rattlehead]

Something else I prefer is the theme tune. :)

[TonyD]

...

It's hard for me to describe, but the overall atmospheric ambience of CoD when you're sitting in the cockpit is unequalled anywhere, ...

I have to agree with you there – previously RoF did this for me, and the wind noise when you poke your head out of the cockpit only added to it, but those bloody rotating trees are a bit of an immersion-killer when you notice them at low altitude. I unfortunately had to upgrade my gfx card recently, and now have the common ‘blue stripe’ issue on the horizon, which (for me anyway) is worse than RoF’s trees, and a real reminder that I’m playing a game with graphic errors.

I am currently spending my spare time in a rally car in DiRT3 rather than in CloD, as although it isn’t a ‘sim’, it does feel very real with the difficulty set to max and no ‘assists’ enabled. And the graphics are faultless.

[addman]

It has many faults and even if I'd like complain about it, I won't because the OP didn't ask for that so here is my list.

1. Best "flight experience" I've ever had in a combat sim, IL-2 comes second.
2. Really comprehensive FMB that only misses comprehensive documentation to go with it.
3. When I fly over the channel during sunset/rise I feel like I'm really flying over the channel during sunset/rise even though I've never flown a real airplane myself.
4. CEM, gotta love it.
5. Details, second to none.

[Rattlehead]

I am currently spending my spare time in a rally car in DiRT3 rather than in CloD, as although it isn’t a ‘sim’, it does feel very real with the difficulty set to max and no ‘assists’ enabled. And the graphics are faultless.

Definitely on my shopping list.

(Sorry to go off topic.)

[carguy_]

Saying "custom loadouts" doesn`t do CoD justice.

1.The player can now configure his ammo belt however he wants. That means that the days of worthless machinegun fire are over. If you hit a plane with a few rounds of a certain type of projectile, you will set it on fire. I can get up to 5 downed Spitfires using the mg alone.

This, CEM and DM changes everything you`ve ever done in IL2. If we get the Moscow addon, it will be quickly seen that Russian fighters were easily downable, unlike in IL2. For the first time, the Bf109F2 will have a good take at the IL2 Sturmovik which often is used by online players as a heavy fighter.

2. The whole ground battle experience changes for the same reasons. Everything is more complicated, so the tank battles will be more realistic.

3. As third, hopefully we`ll get a better setup of planes for both sides, not involving any bigger holes (as the Hs129 for example).

[camel24hrs]

COD....Lack of a real campaign mode. 1946 had a fantastic campaign mode. You could spen a month or two just flying one campaign. COD you only get 3 mission flying a ME109.....3.

Yes the cockpit graphics are just out standing. The damage and flight models are the same. And while the ground grapics are better than 1946, in my opinion they fall way behind ROF.

I live in the good old USA and I can turn off my epilepsy filter, maybe because my cd came fro Australia.

[l3uLLDoZeR]

I've been playing online mostly...besides the hours of killing engines it really is fun and challenging! My only complaint is that I randomly lose sound online...and it does get a little boring at times.

For example: In almost 2 hours I saw ONE human 110(SYN server). I turned into him after seeing him behind me and we made 1 head on shooting pass(both missing).. he turned and ran for france. I followed him for another 30-45 min, but he just ran and stayed just out of shooting range for my hurricane. Kinda boring, but realistic..I even asked him to fight in chat and he said that's what the 110 is built for.

Once more players are online and with continued support from the devs this game will be a hit!

[Blackdog_kt]

I've been doing a bit of whining recently, but the good bit for me is still the overall feeling of 'being there'.

It's hard for me to describe, but the overall atmospheric ambience of CoD when you're sitting in the cockpit is unequalled anywhere, including all the REX, VFR, GEX addons for FSX. For this reason, I always fly with the canopy open.

You look around at the sky, your wing, you lean out to check the colour of your exhaust flame, you check your gauges, then spot the enemy and dive to the attack.
Then you realise that shooting them down is difficult, as it must've been IRL, the rear gunner pops one in your engine and you have to crash land in the undulating landscape with its various types of highly detailed vegetation (although the tree issue is well known).

A couple of months ago, I said I could 'almost smell the air' and I stand by that view.
So in spite of my recent whining, I just can't leave it alone.:)

This and the new CEM...i haven't touched IL2:1946 ever since i installed CoD, despite all its problems.

After getting one of my buddies back into flight sims with IL2 (he was a falcon4 flier back in the day) i talked him into trying CoD. He recently bought a copy and we were talking today over a glass of iced coffee. Besides day one impressions, i asked him what he thinks of it now that he's had some time to get to grips with it.
He said: "i don't know why, i can't quantify it, but despite any possible inaccuracies and bugs this sim feels like being there, it just feels right for some reason".
We also concluded that a large part of this is how the myriad of smaller details are done: viewing the burning incendiaries in slow motion, the intermittent belching of fire from one of the exhaust stacks corresponding to a damaged cylinder, all that stuff is there but it's subtle and not overdone.

This gives it all a much more dynamic feeling and with the new DM a much more varied visual and gameplay experience. You pump a spitty full of Mg17 rounds and he flies along with a minor leak and then all of a sudden you can see him start streaming two more smoke trails, go up in fire and dive for the drink without further action on your part, but it all happens in a very natural-looking way and not in a hollywood "look at me, i'm an oversized explosion" style.

[flyingblind]

Some of the bolt heads, particularly in the hurricanes have Maddox Games embossed on them. :-)

[Insuber]

I flew on the Syndicate server tonight. I spotted and attacked a couple of Stukas in my Spit Ia, killed a gunner and blew off some bits and pieces, but they kept flying. A lucky bullet knocked off my hydraulics. Limping back home I opened the canopy, and on the left side the exhaust made beautiful yellow flames, on the right side no flames at all. Another point for the excellent DM!

[baronWastelan]

Flying low over fields, 200 mph, low enough to see the individual wheat stalks... totally convincing visual impression of going very fast.

I noticed this recently after upgrading GPU to GTX 570 :D

[Tiger27]

...good question asked in the wrong moment because right now there is nothing good about it, neither offline nor online.

Offline so many things are missing (battleships etc.,...) the campagnes and single missions are boring and made in a sloppy and negligent way, online its not better. You only have warping planes and missing sound.
All in all its no fun !

Maybe you ask that question again in a few months when they will have patches to fix the crap. Normally you expect patches to fix bugs and stuff, here you have the opportunity to watch how patches cause other crap, (example - proppitch 109) so better wait, maybe half a year until the worst will be hopefully ironed out.
At the moment you better go and play "fishing simulator", that is probably more fun!

:twisted:

Im surprised you have warping planes online unless you have issues with your provider, I can play on servers where my ping is 500+ and I see no warping at all, in fact it is very smooth online IMO.

Oh, I dont think Battleships were in the Channel during BoB, would have been a good way to lose the fleet, but some destroyers would be nice.

Now back on topic, I enjoy the way damage is always slightly different, the CEM keeps you with something to do and is a test in combat situations, cockpits are spectacular, and personally I think the overall graphics are damn good, for me they are on a par with ROF, but the long range viz is much better than ROF, although hopefully this will be fixed for ROF soon as well, so many intricate details, only downside is so much is still just promise, but if they ever fully unlock all the apparent features this will be awesome and its always nice to be in on the rocky begginings of something that becomes awesome :cool:

[Sauf]

Well said Tiger, the glass is indeed "half full".

[Pluto]

... yes I do have warping planes and not just me and not just on one server. It happened on Syndicate as well as on the Repka server. On every server that has many pilots. Only on the ones where almost noone is flying there is no warping and sound cutouts!

It is not my provider who causes the warps and sound cutouts ! Oh and by the way - for me the "glass is not half full" considering what I have got as "collectors edition" of this sim !!! A nice cloth map and a manual do certainly not comfort me over the modest quality of the sim itself !

And again, back to what was asked, what is good about this sim?
Much ! But the things that are not good are outballancing the whole thing at the moment ! I only hope that will change after the US release. But at the moment it is no fun playing it.

My opinion, like it or not,...
:evil:

[FG28_Kodiak]

Very impressive Explosions, looks like real.

[robtek]

Well, it has already been said often:
Opinions are like a**holes, everybody got one, and nobody wants to see the other ones!

[Vengeanze]

Very impressive Explosions, looks like real.

I'll take your word for it. :-D

To sum it up so far guess one could say we all agree that the sim has kickass potential and will be outstanding in 6 months or so.

[Vengeanze]

Btw I mailed my US friends and they liked it and said they would buy a copy but probably keep flying IL-2 1946 because of the lack of US planes in CloD. :eek:
Well, we'll see what happens after their virgin tour. ;-)

[AndyJWest]

http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae65/ajv00987k/2011-05-31_00017.jpg

[Pluto]

Well, it has already been said often:
Opinions are like a**holes, everybody got one, and nobody wants to see the other ones!

... that could have been from me, so I must fully agree, but on this thread, like on most, you are asked to show yours ! That is what forums are there for.
They are all a kind of "a..hole-catwalks, arent they?

:mrgreen:

[Sauf]

http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae65/ajv00987k/2011-05-31_00017.jpg

It also has pubs in it! any game that has a pub has got to be good imo.