PC Pilot Review

[PeterPanPan]

There's very nice coverage of CoD in the current issue of PC Pilot. Thankfully, due to editorial deadlines, they didn't have time to do a proper review but promise to do so in the next issue. So, a positive reviewette for now and hopefully a glowing one in the next issue.

http://www.360vision.co.uk/uploads/il2/pc-pilot-review.jpg

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[baronWastelan]

I prefer all my outdated info printed on dead trees!

[Immermann]

I prefer all my outdated info printed on dead trees!

Hey! Don't be mean to Tree!! ;)

[2033cyborg]

LMAO at the excuse they gave....due to editorial deadlines, they didn't have time to do a proper review....yeh right!...only the biggest wait in 6 years is over and the top pc flightsim mag on the planet cant even manage an honest retail review due to their BS excuses! The game has been out ages and they still havnt done a review yet how pathetic!....Another sit on the fence reviewer who prefers to wait to see if any further patches save this broken mess..

+1

[Davy TASB]

I'm gonna stick up for PC Pilot here.
The last issue of the mag was released at about the same time as the game was released in the UK and the mag is only published every 2 months.

Have to admit though, that I cant see PC Pilot slating the sim even if they want to seeing as they would be sort of cutting their own nose off to spite their face (or summat like that! :D)

[Osprey]

Good. Because in Custom PC magazine they reviewed it and gave it 35%. That means everyone thinks it's XXXXX and won't buy it or try it. I would have preferred that they didn't review it at all and did so later - that way we may have more people trying CFS genre. Still, if you prefer to have a nice rant to somehow proove a point that everyone else already knows then go ahead.

Regarding the article, I was rather hoping that it was scanned or copied out here so we could read it, not a pointless photo to show that it exists.

[Greiss]

I'll take anything that PC Pilot Magazine says with a grain of salt and I've purchased the magazine for many years from Barnes & Noble.

This is also the same magazine that gave FSX a glowing 95% review upon its release. Anybody who's been around the MS FS block knows that FSX was a performance mess upon release, plagued with coding problems, landclass issues, etc. It took two major patches to get the darned thing playable.

PC Pilot is in it to make money, nothing more, nothing less.

[Blackdog_kt]

.............................only the biggest wait in 6 years is over...........................................The game has been out ages


So, did the game get released early or late? Sorry for saying so, but you seem to be contradicting yourself a bit. :-P

[Mysticpuma]

PC Gamer UK gave it 72%

Way too lenient!

[Positronic]

I have this issue, It says while they did get the game, they were not able to play it for long enough to give a fair appraisal.

Thats fine by me, If I want an early review from a general gaming site there are plenty out there already, gamespot, pcgamer etc

Pcpilot mentions the game has had performance issues since release and the devs are trying to resolve them.

This preview just gives an overview of the game modes.

If you need context of time they reviewed DCS A-10C warthog in this issue (and liked it)

[Heliocon]

LMAO at the excuse they gave....due to editorial deadlines, they didn't have time to do a proper review....yeh right!...only the biggest wait in 6 years is over and the top pc flightsim mag on the planet cant even manage an honest retail review due to their BS excuses! The game has been out ages and they still havnt done a review yet how pathetic!....Another sit on the fence reviewer who prefers to wait to see if any further patches save this broken mess..

+1

[SacaSoh]

There's very nice coverage of CoD in the current issue of PC Pilot. Thankfully, due to editorial deadlines, they didn't have time to do a proper review but promise to do so in the next issue. So, a positive reviewette for now and hopefully a glowing one in the next issue.


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Do positive reviews magically solve the bugs and performance issues? If so, i anxiously wait for a glowing one too!

[Liz Lemon]

Maybe if you understood the context in which i wrote the whole sentence instead of twisting and chopping at it in your quote! you would of understood it better and not be so easily confused!..

Maybe on this one occasion i can assist you...

I will simplify my sentence just for you so you can fully understand the simple ideas i was stating..

My sentence consisted of three main parts!

A/ PC PILOT Complained that due to editorial deadlines, they didn't have time to do a proper review.

B/ I explained that the game (CLOD!) had took 6 long years to develop..during that time any pc fsim mag worth its salt would eagerly have followed it progress..so they would anticipate its arrival and be ready to offer a review forthwith without delay for all its eager customers who also would be waiting and expecting a review! ..

C/ And I then stated in real terms the game has already been out for ages!..ie WEEKS!..certainly thats long enough for any so called cutting edge reputable fsim mag to have conducted a thorough review!..after all they managed a preview!..surely an extra few days would have given them enough material to include a review!

Instead they chose to offer a lame excuse and just post pretty pictures in a double spread preview...

So why do you harp on about ''did the game get released early or late?''...you are a very confused person!..

Go and re-read my sentence and try your best to think next time before you just try and be a cynical immature knob! :grin:

And guess which guy in this thread has never worked in publishing?

Editorial deadlines are far from some sort of BS excuse, and I really doubt that that mag has a large staff. So if editorial deadlines are something that means reviews/articles don't make it in major gaming publications (like edge), and are something that commonly affects other publications, then why do you think some small, niche publication with a small staff is immune to these issues?

Annnnndddddd that before getting into the problems with "review" copies ;)

[Blackdog_kt]

Maybe if you understood the context in which i wrote the whole sentence instead of twisting and chopping at it in your quote! you would of understood it better and not be so easily confused!..

Maybe on this one occasion i can assist you...

I will simplify my sentence just for you so you can fully understand the simple ideas i was stating..

My sentence consisted of three main parts!

A/ PC PILOT Complained that due to editorial deadlines, they didn't have time to do a proper review.

B/ I explained that the game (CLOD!) had took 6 long years to develop..during that time any pc fsim mag worth its salt would eagerly have followed it progress..so they would anticipate its arrival and be ready to offer a review forthwith without delay for all its eager customers who also would be waiting and expecting a review! ..

C/ And I then stated in real terms the game has already been out for ages!..ie WEEKS!..certainly thats long enough for any so called cutting edge reputable fsim mag to have conducted a thorough review!..after all they managed a preview!..surely an extra few days would have given them enough material to include a review!

Instead they chose to offer a lame excuse and just post pretty pictures in a double spread preview...

So why do you harp on about ''did the game get released early or late?''...you are a very confused person!..

Go and re-read my sentence and try your best to think next time before you just try and be a cynical immature knob! :grin:

You mix some real fact with some pure conjecture on your part (unless you actually work in that mag's offices and have inside information) and then add some personal attack for good measure to top it all off because i dared disagree with you, nice going.
Your reply confirms my initial feelings to the fullest, thank you for trying in such a mature way yourself. :-P

You seem to be a very similar kind of person to the fanboys you do forum battle against, but then again my opinion on other people is not formulated by their opinion but by the way they try to argue it. If one has trouble accepting different opinions and starts hurling insults at the slightest hint of disagreement that's what i group them up according to. So, fanboys and whiners are actually the same kind of people with different opinions, isn't it funny? "You are what you hate" and all that jazz. Long story short, nice twist you got on your panties there :-P

Everyone knows there are problems with this sim. We can either accept reality is the way it is and do the best we can under the circumstances to improve what we can, or cry about stuff we can't change. That doesn't mean we won't talk about what's wrong with the game, what it means is that we should stop crying and start talking and you sir, are squarely in the crying category for the time being. Have a nice day, if you can allow yourself the extravagant pleasure of chilling out a bit while there are people of different opinions on the internet ;)

[Greiss]

In the six years I've been reading PC Pilot, I've never seen one single review that was even CLOSE to being negative. The only one I can remember which was borderline was Zenertek's Night Environment for MS FS. PC Pilot had the exclusive interview for MS's Flight (which still boggles my mind) this past bi-month edition. I have yet to see a well-balanced review by them yet and don't even get me started on the article "The best hardware to run FSX on" back in 2006/07.

PC Pilot is a "pretty" magazine and every once in a while I find something useful in it (other than what I can find at avsim.com, flightsim.com, simviation.com or simhq.com). But for the most part, it's fluff for someone just strolling along the magazine aisle at Barnes & Noble or any other bookstore.

[vladdo]

Having never read or seen the magazine before, and having worked as a games reviewer, I take the 'preview' page as, here's teaser of what the game is like, and whilst at the moment, it has more bugs than Bombay market, it'll give devs the time to remove the major ones, so that we don't have to post a negative review that we'll then have to justify to ubisoft as to why they send us 'free' samples..

Personally, i'd never ever write up a review page, as all it does is create hype and increase perception that it must be a good product.. If a game gets released as buggy/unfinished, it should be scored as that, even if theres a 0 day patch... and i think thats part of the problem too.. far too easy to release rubbish then fix it up later, taking advantage of peoples good will to excuse rubbish being shipped..

[Rattlehead]

and you sir, are squarely in the crying category for the time being.

Time being? He's been squarely in the crying category from day one.

[PaulWF]

And guess which guy in this thread has never worked in publishing?

Editorial deadlines are far from some sort of BS excuse, and I really doubt that that mag has a large staff. So if editorial deadlines are something that means reviews/articles don't make it in major gaming publications (like edge), and are something that commonly affects other publications, then why do you think some small, niche publication with a small staff is immune to these issues?

Annnnndddddd that before getting into the problems with "review" copies ;)

oh BOLLOCKS.

If there wasn't time to do it properly, do it properly then put it in the next issue.

That is of course if he review isn't a paid advertisement and a deadline needed to be met....

This whole 'we were forced to do actionx because we ran out of time' is the most pathetic and disingenous excuse possible. It's no excuse and is indefensible and not justifiable. It's pathetic that this is not appreciated on its own merit.

I'm tired of the sheer dishonesty involved.

Do it right, Do it honestly, Do it with integrity, or Have the balls to admit you're not.

[M1sF1rE]

There's nothing to glow about. It's a hot sh*tty mess....

[PeterPanPan]

Wish I hadn't bothered posting this now. What the heck. Yeah, let's hope CoD gets sh*t reviews everywhere so no one will buy it and the game will then die. Then we'll all be happy. FFS

[Positronic]

Wish I hadn't bothered posting this now. What the heck. Yeah, let's hope CoD gets sh*t reviews everywhere so no one will buy it and the game will then die. Then we'll all be happy. FFS

I don't understand peoples attitude either, If I didn't like this game I wouldn't be here on the forum. We all know all the game has many issues and those that have had it since release have endured a broken game. It has hugely improved since release. I have no reason to hate it and wish bad things upon it.

Magazines always give more positive reviews, no matter what the subject, why do people expect this to suddenly change for cliffs of dover.

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

LMAO at the excuse they gave....due to editorial deadlines, they didn't have time to do a proper review....yeh right!...only the biggest wait in 6 years is over and the top pc flightsim mag on the planet cant even manage an honest retail review due to their BS excuses! The game has been out ages and they still havnt done a review yet how pathetic!....Another sit on the fence reviewer who prefers to wait to see if any further patches save this broken mess..

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There's nothing to glow about. It's a hot sh*tty mess....

Then what the hell are you people doing here then? Do you go to art galleries and then tell everyone and the artists that their work is so crappy it's not fit to paper a birdcage? What kind of sick SoB's are you that you would hang out in a forum with the sole intention of trashing the subject of the forum? Get a life, lol!

[Lixma]

oh BOLLOCKS.

If there wasn't time to do it properly, do it properly then put it in the next issue.

That is of course if he review isn't a paid advertisement and a deadline needed to be met....

This whole 'we were forced to do actionx because we ran out of time' is the most pathetic and disingenous excuse possible. It's no excuse and is indefensible and not justifiable. It's pathetic that this is not appreciated on its own merit.

I'm tired of the sheer dishonesty involved.

Do it right, Do it honestly, Do it with integrity, or Have the balls to admit you're not.

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[Seeker]

Then what the hell are you people doing here then? Do you go to art galleries and then tell everyone and the artists that their work is so crappy it's not fit to paper a birdcage?

Yeah, actually I do do that.

I hate the Tate modern and everything it stands for. It really burns me that my tax money is diverted from hospitals and cruise missiles to that kind of subversive pretentious crap.

So you can imagine how much more it burns to fork out my own money voluntarily for half a dead cow in aspic.

[whatnot]

Do positive reviews magically solve the bugs and performance issues? If so, i anxiously wait for a glowing one too!

Do 0/100 scores fix them any better or does the angry mob want victims?

Face it ppl: if your rig is not a relatively modern 'gaming pc' it you have issues with the performance. If you got the horsepower you can get a lot out of the CloD!

Sure, bugs remain and extra content would be great and all but in all honesty I've already received my 40€ worth! Most AAA titles cost more and they're over in 18 hours or so, I've got close to hundred and it's getting better and better with each patch.

So go suck your thumbs somewhere else.

[whatnot]

I don't understand peoples attitude either, If I didn't like this game I wouldn't be here on the forum. We all know all the game has many issues and those that have had it since release have endured a broken game. It has hugely improved since release. I have no reason to hate it and wish bad things upon it.

Magazines always give more positive reviews, no matter what the subject, why do people expect this to suddenly change for cliffs of dover.

My kitchen psychology senses make me thing that the reason for this ongoing rinse and repeat storm of tears is:

1) IL-2 was groundbreaking sim that lasted for years with a LOT of content
2) Clod was built and hyped up for several years which built up the expectations sky high
3) Delay after delay caused frustration, anxiety and even higher hopes for the release once the day finally comes
4) Once the release came it wasn't finished an polished but had major performance issues and limited content

--> Bubble suddenly bursted after years of expectation as the date of the release wasn't the simming nirvana that'll blow everyones' eyes out of sockets and turns the simming world around

--> The people with most expectations, least capability of handling disappointments and tendency for vendetta realized that it's payback time!

And now we're all enjoying fruits of that mental equation and I guess it doesn't matter how good the title would become with new patches etc as the disappointment broke some people's hearts. So they will not forgive and they will not forget.

I had a lot higher hopes too.. it's hard not to after all those years and I felt pretty dissapointed on the day of the release. Now the game is brought to an enjoyable state for me atleast. And probably at the first anniversary of CloD release we will be in the mark where we all hoped to be at the time of the release.

But hey.. I guess there isn't much I can do about that so I might as well sit tight and wait while taking my 109 for a spin every now and then.

[Mysticpuma]

Updated review in the current issue of PC Pilot now says that after the patches it has many flaws, but still scored 80%

Got an award for it's quality.

MP

[Mattius]

Have to add my 2 cents. The game at the time of release was in a disgraceful state. It still is in many places. However I have not yet made any negative comments as I believe that over time it will become a masterpiece. I'd love to here the story from Oleg first hand about the politics of it all.