night darkness

[Mikmak]

Hi,

With the version 1.01.14588, I would like to know if the night rendering has been modified or not ?
It's seems to be less dark than before the patch...

before the patch 1.01.14588 :

http://mikmak08.free.fr/forum_OBT/full-1029-8806-shot_20110326_195101.jpg

after the patch 1.01.14588:

http://mikmak08.free.fr/forum_OBT/night_14588.jpg

[Formula88]

Yeah I noticed this too, looks really bad. I noticed that there was a full moon out when the bright landscape and cockpit showed up though I dont know if this has anything to do with it. No matter, even with a full moon up it is still far too bright at night now.

[Jatta Raso]

s**t i only flew nighttime couple days ago and saw like the second SC, never even knew that it was like the first (as it's more supposed to be i think)

1C add it to the "put it back as it was" please (as you did when the water splashes had disappeared)

[louisv]

When your eyes are accustomed to low light, a full moon can be very bright, and it looks like a full moon is lighting the cockpit...I'm not saying it can't be made better, but to me it looks like a full moon...

[speculum jockey]

The first one looks like a pilot who just previously looked into a flashlight during a moonless night. The second one looks like a pilot who's eyes have adjusted to the darkness during a night when the moon is visible. Please post external views to show the outside of the plane and the state of the moon and sky, or these screen-caps have little weight as to whether or not it's correctly rendering the appropriate lighting.

[louisv]

+1

[DB605]

Seems ok to me. Few shots:

Moon behind:

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k40/zx701/2011-05-24_00001.jpg

again:

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k40/zx701/2011-05-24_00003.jpg

moon in front:

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k40/zx701/2011-05-24_00002.jpg

and same from outside:

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k40/zx701/2011-05-24_00005.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k40/zx701/2011-05-24_00004.jpg

[DB605]

Moon at right side:

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k40/zx701/2011-05-24_00007.jpg

and some weird UFO:s :-P

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k40/zx701/2011-05-24_00009.jpg

[ARM505]

Funny how a seemingly easily solved point always ends up being debated on these forums.

I have flown many hours at night with varying degrees of moonlight in light aircraft and airliners (although not much ambient light gets into them due to the pretty small windscreens re cockpit lighting) and the current night light seems far too bright, moonlight or not. Night is dark. This sounds blindingly (pardon the pun) obvious, but sims like DCS A10 get it right, ie on a moonless night you can't see a thing if there aren't lights on the ground. It's like flying in an inkwell. I flew with a full moon just the other night, and while it does light up things very well, it doesn't give perfect vision, although you could fly without lights very easily (you'd have to be pretty lucky to land however IMHO). Still, one shouldn't be able to see individual trees many kilometers away, as is now the case as demonstrated by these shots, or the instrument panel with perfect clarity. When practicing electrical failure in light aircraft, moonlight was not sufficient to see all instruments with any degree of accuracy, although a Cherokee doesn't have a transparent roof! Also, the colour is totally wrong - moonlight tends to wash out all colours, ending up with a kind of black and white effect. It's a totally artificial look at present - pre patch gets my vote, for what it's worth.

[Jatta Raso]

Funny how a seemingly easily solved point always ends up being debated on these forums.

I have flown many hours at night with varying degrees of moonlight in light aircraft and airliners (although not much ambient light gets into them due to the pretty small windscreens re cockpit lighting) and the current night light seems far too bright, moonlight or not. Night is dark. This sounds blindingly (pardon the pun) obvious, but sims like DCS A10 get it right, ie on a moonless night you can't see a thing if there aren't lights on the ground. It's like flying in an inkwell. I flew with a full moon just the other night, and while it does light up things very well, it doesn't give perfect vision, although you could fly without lights very easily (you'd have to be pretty lucky to land however IMHO). Still, one shouldn't be able to see individual trees many kilometers away, as is now the case as demonstrated by these shots, or the instrument panel with perfect clarity. When practicing electrical failure in light aircraft, moonlight was not sufficient to see all instruments with any degree of accuracy, although a Cherokee doesn't have a transparent roof! Also, the colour is totally wrong - moonlight tends to wash out all colours, ending up with a kind of black and white effect. It's a totally artificial look at present - pre patch gets my vote, for what it's worth.

totally agree, where i live sometimes you can see far out in the horizon at 3-4am by mid august with full moon with virtually any light (in fact light just makes you see less in those warm summer nights;)) but you see everything in shades of black and cyan-white, without the exaggerated brightness we have right now... considering that the summer 1940 in England had unusually southern-like weather, i think the team tried to make a step in the right direction, both in terms of simulation and gameplay (what can you shoot in pitch black), but they overdone it quite a bit... i expect they'll continue to work on it

[DK-nme]

Hi,

With the version 1.01.14588, I would like to know if the night rendering has been modified or not ?
It's seems to be less dark than before the patch...

before the patch 1.01.14588 :

http://mikmak08.free.fr/forum_OBT/full-1029-8806-shot_20110326_195101.jpg

after the patch 1.01.14588:

http://mikmak08.free.fr/forum_OBT/night_14588.jpg

First picture is sooo awesome (very atmosphaeric and the night immersion is very good - like a soft sommernight).
Second picture - well, it's horrible, artificial and overall bad looking (Check out the terrain gfx - it's awful in that light). But hopefully Luthier and 1c will get this sorted out and that quickly.
If not, it will be a very big leap backwards (gfx regression wise)...

[Ploughman]

Looking at some of those shots of the moonlit landscape, and the aircraft skins, I can see different colours. As the reflected light from the moon is monochromatic there should not be any discernable variety of colour. I guess they haven't got moon light textures for the landscape so it's understandable but perhaps something to be addressed in future.

[Vorondil]

As the reflected light from the moon is monochromatic there should not be any discernable variety of colour.

Moonlight is typically white, and as such contains the full visible colour spectrum, similar to the sun. This is evident from such phenomena as Moonbows. The faintness of the light however makes color perception difficult. When given time to adjust, the human eye can usually detect stronger longer-wavelength colours, such as red or yellow. To quote Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonbow).

"It is difficult for the human eye to discern colors in a moonbow because the light is usually too faint to excite the cone color receptors in human eyes. As a result, they often appear to be white. However, the colors in a moonbow do appear in long exposure photographs."

[Redroach]

Looking at some of those shots of the moonlit landscape, and the aircraft skins, I can see different colours. As the reflected light from the moon is monochromatic there should not be any discernable variety of colour. I guess they haven't got moon light textures for the landscape so it's understandable but perhaps something to be addressed in future.

LOL! Awesome, made my evening! :D

Also, apart from moonlight , being lit up by flak searchlights should look quite similar; just in case someone sniffles a bug on a moonless night.

[Ali Fish]

IMO that blue needs toned down,. theres a nice glow element but the colour is just too blue, needs to be more grey. over the sea is really nice as the cloud shadow cuts out the specular but over land there is no shadow. and the ground is still to bright during night and day,

[RedToo]

I agree about the blue - far too blue. On a moonlit night the white cliffs of Dover are now the blue cliffs of Dover. Horrible, unnatural, wrong.

RedToo.