Short status update

[luthier]

Hi everyone,

As I see, there are plenty of wild rumors circulating on these forums, and of course it's completely our fault. I myself simply cannot spend enough time posting on these forums, as I work 10-12 hour days 7 days a week and barely have time to sit down. I feel the weight of my failure to interact with the community daily, but all I have time for is browsing the forums, not actually posting.

We are however in the process of creating a full-time community manager position and setting up an old team member who will interact with you guys daily, answer questions, and keep you up to date on all events.

Otherwise, the work on the patch continues. The true full-screen mode has been a nightmare from hell. It still does not work properly. Every once in a while, after you hit Esc to go to the menu from inside the game, the game will go into the background and require you to alt-tab to you. And while it may seem like a pretty minor thing to most of you, after everything you've already lived through, it's still bad practice and annoying and we always feel like we're 'this' close to solving it.

The current build we have did address the multiplayer issues, thanks in no small part to the help of the dedicated server hosts. Obviously MP is a larger priority than the full-screen mode. If by the end of the day Tuesday we still haven't solved the full screen issue, we will most likely release the patch anyway just so you guys can have stable reliable MP experience, and add the full-screen fix at a later time.

We are also hard at work on some larger game components. We are also hiring, with quite a few new openings posted recently for our Moscow office. We already have a new team member, an experienced AI programmer, reworking our plane AI code and voice comms, and we are working to expand and improve our team during the coming weeks to make sure we can roll out better more well-rounded updates quicker. We are also hard at work on FM changes and improvements, redesigning GUI to make it more user-friendly, and creating new variants of existing aircraft.

Those team members not hard at work on improving CoD have also been working on new content for a new project for quite some time. We've posted a teaser in our V-E day post. Just to state again, work on that project is specifically designed not to interfere with our CoD support.

Most importantly, please don't take the frequency of my visits as an indication of anything right now. As a matter of fact, if you see me here posting a lot, that's the best clue that we are NOT working as hard as we should. All of us at 1C:Maddox Games, 1C Softclub, and Ubisoft, are fully committed to the game and to the series, and like we always said, we will continue to support it with patches, add-ons and sequels in the coming months and years.

[Hunden]

Thank you for the update

[Goanna]

Good to hear from you Luthier.. hopefully it'll make the naysayers stfu... bet it doesn't though :grin:

Cheers

Goanna

[Strike]

Hey thanks a lot for posting :)

Wish you all the best for continuing support for CoD and future projects!

Speaking for myself at least I am having fun with what I have :) Excited about the future, and thanks for prioritizing MP. There's a lot of fun to be made online :)

I like the news about a more user-friendly GUI. The layout, though dark and depressing :P, is okay, but the issues with selecting ammo loadouts, saving presets and actually getting them to load is proving a little frustrating. It's like a little tease saying "Look at all the cool ammo you can't use" :P The way you did MP home base selection in IL-2 was perfect! Simple and tidy. Perhaps combining the map with easy navigation tools to find the bases + using old IL-2 style plane selection and loadout would be a more welcome approach. That way, fans from the old day will have an easier time to pick up, and new guys will see some logic in the GUI :p I'm sure you are already thinking hard about this, but often the simplest way is the best, and make an "advanced" button for the options not necessary to "jump in and fly" (such as ammo belting, fuzes, convergence). That way the plane selection screen may look a bit tidier :) I'm at least finding the scrollbar thing to see all the options a bit confusing from a design standpoint. Also while I'm on the topic of homebase selection, have a number showing how many other players are spawning from that base, that makes finding the action so much easier. Actually for GUI all together, I'd say just draw as much as you can from the old series, and incorporate the new stuff with easy navigation in mind :)

Sorry, may sound a bit harsh, but it's just my personal experience with the product. I must say I fly the sim as often as I can and even with your great success of IL-2 FB, I simply can't say that I prefer the old game. I feel "wrong" as if there's something better to be flown, which is CoD. I'm still absolutely baffled by the damage model and effects. You have done an excellent job with all the effects this time. Big fuel leaks, small fuel leaks, oil sprays that look different from six o clock and from the side. The smoke effects also seem to vary frequently in size, like you often see from the propwash affecting the airstream the smoke is generated in. It's much better than the original "spinning texture balls" we're used to. The various fires and ability for them to spread is nice. I like the fuel tank explosion when the wings break off with a huge cloud of fuel vapor igniting into a fireball. I am grateful to review my victories, looking at the fallen enemy to see where all my bullets struck, what systems they took out and even where the bullet has exited if it just passed through the fabric. The amount of systems modeled, working together in one plane alone is like nothing I've ever seen before in a combat flight sim, and then add the rest of the planes that are in the fight. The randomness of each dogfight is infinite. It's almost like you built the sim around the damage models, because it's one of the things with the game that you have gotten very close to perfection.

Once you get this sim to a overall pretty stable version and you can start focusing on what you're already waiting for: expanding the scope of the sim, it's going to get even more interesting than it is today :)

Thank you, I'll be flying this until you build the next generation flightsim, some 10-20 years from now maybe :P

[louisv]

Thanks Luthier, can't wait for the 24th !

[SEE]

The vast majority take no notice of the 'doom and gloom' brigade and thanks for the hard work and comittment.

[602Sqn.McLean]

Thanks mate for the update. Now we can delete all the negative posts that referred to the series 'definately' crashing. Hope now we can all support you guys and look forward to the patch.
To all the doomsday people, don't you all look a bit silly now. I'm not talking about the people who complained about the state of the game on release but those who posted that CoD will crash and burn.

[Redroach]

As I see, there are plenty of wild rumors circulating on these forums, and of course it's completely our fault.

As angry as I am with various things not working in CoD, I deeply appreciate your attitude towards the customer. It takes a fine character to have that stressful position, take major flak from the community and still stay so cooperative. Kudos.

[Sauf]

Thank you, make sure you insert a "stress" clause in the community manager's contract, I'll give him a fortnight before the trolls here drive him into a dribbling mess.

[IceFire]

Luthier as always thanks for keeping us in the loop. I don't need daily updates but I love to hear how you guys are doing. It makes the whole thing that much more real to me and it gives us that inside track that we really appreciate.

I still can't even buy the game yet but it looks like Steam release to North American customers is coming up soon and I'm excited to get in on the action.

Good luck and keep things coming!

[von Pilsner]

Hi everyone,

As I see, there are plenty of wild rumors circulating on these forums, and of course it's completely our fault. I myself simply cannot spend enough time posting on these forums, as I work 10-12 hour days 7 days a week and barely have time to sit down. I feel the weight of my failure to interact with the community daily, but all I have time for is browsing the forums, not actually posting.

We are however in the process of creating a full-time community manager position and setting up an old team member who will interact with you guys daily, answer questions, and keep you up to date on all events.

Otherwise, the work on the patch continues. The true full-screen mode has been a nightmare from hell. It still does not work properly. Every once in a while, after you hit Esc to go to the menu from inside the game, the game will go into the background and require you to alt-tab to you. And while it may seem like a pretty minor thing to most of you, after everything you've already lived through, it's still bad practice and annoying and we always feel like we're 'this' close to solving it.

The current build we have did address the multiplayer issues, thanks in no small part to the help of the dedicated server hosts. Obviously MP is a larger priority than the full-screen mode. If by the end of the day Tuesday we still haven't solved the full screen issue, we will most likely release the patch anyway just so you guys can have stable reliable MP experience, and add the full-screen fix at a later time.

We are also hard at work on some larger game components. We are also hiring, with quite a few new openings posted recently for our Moscow office. We already have a new team member, an experienced AI programmer, reworking our plane AI code and voice comms, and we are working to expand and improve our team during the coming weeks to make sure we can roll out better more well-rounded updates quicker. We are also hard at work on FM changes and improvements, redesigning GUI to make it more user-friendly, and creating new variants of existing aircraft.

Those team members not hard at work on improving CoD have also been working on new content for a new project for quite some time. We've posted a teaser in our V-E day post. Just to state again, work on that project is specifically designed not to interfere with our CoD support.

Most importantly, please don't take the frequency of my visits as an indication of anything right now. As a matter of fact, if you see me here posting a lot, that's the best clue that we are NOT working as hard as we should. All of us at 1C:Maddox Games, 1C Softclub, and Ubisoft, are fully committed to the game and to the series, and like we always said, we will continue to support it with patches, add-ons and sequels in the coming months and years.

Thanks for the update.

[ktodack]

Strike - How do you like your G940 Hotas system? I'm thinking of getting the set but would like to hear from experienced flight simers who are actually using it in COD before I do. Anu issues? How well does FF work?

Thanks

[Feathered_IV]

Thanks Luthier. Will you be fixing the skins too?

[Havoc04]

Luthier

Well at least you SAY something. I can give a LONG LIST of companies that don't say SQUAT!!!

Although i have shelved CoD till some useful features are active in the game, QMB or a DCG. I'll still support CoD. So thxs again for the updates and keeping the Paying customers in the loop :) Muchly Appreciated mate.

Regards

[baronWastelan]

--snip--
The true full-screen mode has been a nightmare from hell. It still does not work properly. Every once in a while, after you hit Esc to go to the menu from inside the game, the game will go into the background and require you to alt-tab to you. And while it may seem like a pretty minor thing to most of you,

I doubt that anyone in 2011 would see this as a "minor thing": Maddox Games struggling with implementing full-screen mode. Maybe if it was 1997 or 1998, but to be still working on this on a released game in 2011, is truly unprecedented. I'm glad to hear you are hiring now. You are in desperate need of good game coders and I'm behind you now as I have been since 2001. I'm glad my $14.41 is being put to good use, and look forward to also purchasing the US release.

[ReconNZ]

Thanks for the update Luthier!

All great news, the full time community role will add immensely to this community. Already we appreciate all the support you obviously give this game, and to be able to interact with your team and stay informed as to what you are working on will certainly continue to breath life into this community.

Thanks again and keep up the great work, its much appreciated.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Luthier! Thanks for the update!


I'm glad my $14.41 is being put to good use, and look forward to also purchasing the US release.

Wow! Last of the big spenders! But you really need to check the licence agreement more closely. The $14.41 version of the game specifically forbids sarcastic and derogitory comments by the licence holder.

I on the other hand being the proud owner of the Special Collectors edition am licenced to make all the witty comments I like.

Cheers! ;)

[AWL_Spinner]

Thanks Luthier!

Still waiting patiently for a North American release. It does, after all, seem as though the forced-hand alpha release to Europe and Australasia brought in the required dollars to continue development, ramp up staff, and get the title to the finishing line (eventually).

Shame about all the kerfuffle, but I guess in a tough niche industry I'm not too concerned about how we get there, as long as we get there. Bravo for hanging in there :)

Looking forward to hearing from the new community-liaison dude.

Cheers, Spinner

[smink1701]

Thanks for saying hello.

[White Owl]

Hello Luthier.

Don't worry too much. Most long-time gamers understand a rough launch. Sure, it would've been nice to have everything working perfectly on launch day... but the game we have now is still very good and is rapidly heading toward greatness.

We're not console FPS kiddies around here. We're simmers. We know how to wait for good things.

[Kankkis]

Thanks for info.

[kimosabi]

As angry as I am with various things not working in CoD, I deeply appreciate your attitude towards the customer. It takes a fine character to have that stressful position, take major flak from the community and still stay so cooperative. Kudos.

It takes service minded professional people. Like any other customer based company whatever the branch, who has employees with their priorities in order.

Good news Luthier and thanks for the heads up. 10-12 hour days, 7 days a week is much more than most of your customers put in at their work.

[Fjordmonkey]

Thanks for the update, Luthier! Remember to get some sleep from time to time as well :D

[Doc_uk]

As much as multiplayer is very inportant to the community, To me, So is the look of the game,
would realy like to see full screen fixed, and AA Bad jaggies
and the horible 3 blue lines, with the Ati6970 cards
and load-outs fixed
But thanks for the update

[skouras]

As much as multiplayer is very inportant to the community, To me, So is the look of the game,
would realy like to see full screen fixed, and AA Bad jaggies
and the horible 3 blue lines, with the Ati6970 cards
and load-outs fixed
But thanks for the update

agreed:-)

[scissorss]

Thanks for the update and the support.

[addman]

Big thanks Ilya! Maybe next week I can start playing CloD again, something to look forward to.:)

[Gromic]

Thank you very much for the update. I'm confident you'll get there. Don't forget to refresh your batteries every once in a while. Kudos to you and the team.

Cheers

[JG52Krupi]

Thanks for your time Luthier and MG.

I know it must be disheartening to read all the negative comments posted here, I personally have had a lot of fun playing the game its fantastic, wish I could spend more time playing.

I have no more stutters (removed a few patches ago) and the game runs okay everywhere except over large cities, but I am sure thats something to do with my 5970 and crossfire (A problem it seems most game developers have to figure out after release).

Thanks again for your dedication MG.

[garengarch]

thanks and good luck !

[Gamekeeper]

Thanks for the update and for recognising the importance of good communication. Hopefully we won't see any more ridiculous chicken little posters.

[Boogz]

Thank you for the update. Sounds like we will enjoy this fantastic game for years to come :grin:

Even with its flaws, I am enjoying the game very much!

[41Sqn_Stormcrow]

Great to hear that. I particularly keen on what you bring up with respect to the AI routine which currently is a bit of an annoyance (no offence meant). And that the FM gets a touch up. My hopes are high that we finally get the real Vmax and the real ceiling and a Spit Ia with CSP.

I hope you can release it before 28th of May as it is obviously a major patch and likely from then on I won't have access to internet for quite a while :( And before I go offline for many weeks I would like to have a decent AI routine :) (Or could you make the patch files available with an extractor that does what Steam would do via download? That would be great for those with no internet connection).

[SlipBall]

Getting close to buy time here in the states, can't wait!:grin:

[jctrnacty]

Good news , thanks Luthier

I like COD very much and i know it will be better with every update.

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

Thanks very much Luthier for taking time out of your allready hectic schedule to post on here,we do appreciate it.

It's very pleasing to read that the issues are being fixed and that new content is being added.

I for one have been thouroughly enjoying this sim and it's got so much potential,once the problems are dealt with we're going to rock!

[kristorf]

Many thanks for the sit-rep

[Rattlehead]

and setting up an old team member who will interact with you guys daily, answer questions, and keep you up to date on all events.



Lamb to the slaughter. Best of luck to him. ;)

Thank you for the quick update. :)

[TonyD]

Thanks for the update, luthier. Good to hear that the sky isn't falling after all :)

[Fall_Pink?]

Thanks for the update. Good to hear you're investigating and fixing the main issues.

By the way, as long as you're releasing weekly patches, no-one will really complain if you're not posting stuff every now and then..;-)

Ps. As long as one of your team members is looking into the AI code, is it possible to create something like different AI models? For those running with less cpu horse power normal or medium AI model could be enabled. For people with 8 cores or more, a more sophisticated and advanced AI would be very nice.

Edit:
PPs. I'm very much looking forward to the Eastern theatre. Can't wait to see how Yak's and Fw's will look using this new engine..;-)

[JG53Frankyboy]

No Fw190s in a Battle of Moskau scenario :D

[Ploughman]

Thanks for the update and really pleased to hear you're all looking to the future and dealing with the present, especially that you're hiring more talent for your team to expedite the development of the game engine. Don't burn yourself or your team members out.

[Tvrdi]

not a word about AA, optimisations, external sounds......but like I said, time will tell.....few months reveals....the final truth

[Ze-Jamz]

Thanks for the update..

[Skoshi Tiger]

Lamb to the slaughter. Best of luck to him. ;)

Thank you for the quick update. :)

Who knows? It could be Oleg?

[Sternjaeger II]

Luthier, thanks man, that's exactly what I was hoping to hear. Remember, you lot are still the best! :)

[Skoshi Tiger]

I doubt the next patch will offer anything new or useful whatsoever to be honest!...

So your saying that they will release a patch that doesn't do anything useful?

[Boogz]

it looks so ugly and jaggie without proper FSAA?...

Ugly? Jaggies?

http://i55.tinypic.com/29mae6a.jpg

[Baron]

Not wishing to sound negative but this all sounds a bit played out, with Luthier offering (one is left only to assume are sincere words) reassuring promises leading up to the all important USA sales of COD makes me sceptical what is really going on at 1c...

Plus Luthier only confirms what we all know, that this game is a mess and was released in a 100% totally unacceptable and unfinished state!... plus not being able to resolve the most basic of expected game features such as the Full screen issue is a quite a disturbing revelation at such a late stage of the games 6 year development!!!....makes me wonder what else they are not capable of fixing...

my heart goes out to Luthier and one can only assume his tiny confused and struggling team now trying frantically to fix this game..but at the moment one cant help but think all he is offering are WORDS!...and desperate words at that, its a bit late for honesty from 1c.....i dont want to sound cynical but were was such honesty before we all parted with our cash?....no mention of the FSAA being a nightmare back then!..and lets be honest they knew it was broken back then so no excuses!..no wonder all their screen shots showed ugly jaggies!!!!!...and were is Oleg maddox?, what's happened to all his input that he was so happy to give and convey to the community over the years? where are so many things that are missing from this game? no mention of fixing the dreadful rubbish sounds yet or the crap campaign engine either,

I doubt the next patch will offer anything new or useful whatsoever to be honest! who needs MP when it looks so ugly and jaggie without proper FSAA?...this statement from Luthier sounds like nothing more than a last minute desperate promise before the floodgates are opened up to the USA market for them to stick with this game no matter what..yeh yeh we will see.... i am sceptical they will fix this game......we will find out after the USA sales where all this will take us!...i hope am wrong and many of you will say i am but i have my reservations about 1c's future commitment to this whole sad debacle of COD...and given their commitment to the community so far and Olegs silence on all this only reaffirms my doubts...


Seriously, give it a rest allredy.



Thx Luthier, keep up the good work and dont forget to a take a rest now and then ( u and team). Misstakes is more easily done when worn out.

[RocketDog]

my heart goes out to Luthier and one can only assume his tiny confused and struggling team now trying frantically to fix this game..but at the moment one cant help but think all he is offering are WORDS!...and desperate words at that, its a bit late for honesty from 1c.....i dont want to sound cynical but were was such honesty before we all parted with our cash?....no mention of the FSAA being a nightmare back then!..and lets be honest they knew it was broken back then so no excuses!..no wonder all their screen shots showed ugly jaggies!!!!!...and were is Oleg maddox?, what's happened to all his input that he was so happy to give and convey to the community over the years? where are so many things that are missing from this game? no mention of fixing the dreadful rubbish sounds yet or the crap campaign engine either,
...

My thoughts exactly.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Ugly? Jaggies?

http://i55.tinypic.com/29mae6a.jpg

My thoughts exactly!

Cheers!

[MadTommy]

My god the nay sayers were right.. the game's been ditched, if you read carefully between the lines Luthier is saying they can't arsed with it any more they have our money have taken up shop in South America in order to rip off unsuspecting customers again!..arrghh i can't believe it! :rolleyes:

Thanks for the update.. MP fixes = :grin:

[TonyD]

Ugly? Jaggies?

...

Wow, awesome screenie that! Easily worth a 1000 words ;)

[Doc_uk]

Ugly? Jaggies?

http://i55.tinypic.com/29mae6a.jpg
Next time try posting the full picture, and not a cut down size, which will make the screenshot look better anyway
Plus i can see jaggies on the left wing facing us

[Ibis]

Quote
We are however in the process of creating a full-time community manager position and setting up an old team member who will interact with you guys daily,
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This poor fellow will need 50mm armour plated skin and ear plugs along with weekly visits to a shrink if he's to stay sane.


He would probably last longer at this job.


Keep the political satire out of this forum, its deeply offensive

[kristorf]

Full pic


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Kristorf/CLoD/Shotdown4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Kristorf/CLoD/Shotdown2.jpg

No jaggies

[Boogz]

Next time try posting the full picture, and not a cut down size, which will make the screenshot look better anyway
Plus i can see jaggies on the left wing facing us

The Screenshot is not mine, its from the screenshot thread (cheers Buchon). You have good eyes Doc, I cant see those jaggies.

[KG26_Alpha]

Ok fellas

Jaggies point proven ............ lets move on and not turn the thread into another pointless rambling fireball to nowhere :)



Luthier

Thanks for dropping in and giving us a few words to calm the air a little.



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[Wandalen]

Thanks for the info Luthier http://www.norwegian-server.com/e107_images/emotes/default/pdff_sternsaludo.gif

[kalimba]

By reading Luthier's last post, I would speculate :rolleyes:, for the fun of it,
that since many months before initial release, there were major management " issues" within 1C leading to programmers departures and Oleg disengagement from developpement. 1C fell short of finishing the game due to the lack of programmers and good leadership. They are hiring now, wich is very good news and at the same time, confirming that they needed fresh money to go on.
Since Luthier was himself working on the project, that made him very close to the programmers and the team, and it feels like the whole team is supporting Luthier now that he is in charge. And I would'nt be surprised that UBI was "waiting" to see if the team would keep on going or fall apart after Oleg's departure before injecting money to support the project till it reaches near perfection.

Oh well, that is MHO....

Salute !

[Al Schlageter]

Much appreciate the news and the hard work being done. Brings back personal memories.

But, I would like to see the graphic artists working on ships than on objects for some future project. The first phase of the BoB was battles over the English Channel.

[bigchump]

I think it's a bit early to be talking about "new projects" considering the sorry state that CoD is in.

[BigPickle]

Thank you very much for the update, I think having someone offical who is in the know to answer the communities questions about CoD is a very worthwhile idea and hopefully will be a good step to reasuring the community along with the patches.

Thanks for taking the time to read peoples post, I do feel way more positive now we have offical word again.

[Sven]

Good to hear all is well and making progress! :-)

[Mattius]

Working Comms a MUST! Also the ability to turn shadows on/off for different parts of the sim!

[Hunden]

[/QUOTE][/B][QUOTE=Doc_uk;283531]Next time try posting the full picture, and not a cut down size, which will make the screenshot look better anyway
Plus i can see jaggies on the left wing facing us[/QUOTE

Over 300 post in 2 months. I thought only chicks like to communicate that much.:grin: Try keepin it to under 100 a month

[B_Bogus]

Thanks for the update!

It's reassuring to know the good work is continuing; judging by the 'quality' of some of the posts, a rhino hide is required, I think!

I'm finding the game very playable in its current form, and with good, constructive input from the forum will surely become the benchmark for a long time to come - I've already shelved Il-2 1946...to arcadey, too...'early 2000s'.

Never thought I'd be saying that!

[Jaws2002]

Thanks for the updates Luthier. Great to hear you are hiring more help. This is the time the game needs it.

Thanks Luthier. Will you be fixing the skins too?

+1

Please make the skins work.:)

One more thing. When you have time, maybe after the release of this patch, please go post a few words on the UBI forums. Nobody from 1c posted anything on the official international home of Cliffs of Dover in years!
I know is UBI's site, but is your game, and you are loosing more money than UBI if you just abandon that part of the community.
After all, for the international comunity, specially the new players, that is the official home of the game.

Thank you for the updates.

[Pudfark]

Thank you very much for the update, I think having someone offical who is in the know to answer the communities questions about CoD is a very worthwhile idea and hopefully will be a good step to reasuring the community along with the patches.

Thanks for taking the time to read peoples post, I do feel way more positive now we have offical word again.

Agreed and very well stated...:cool:

[KG26_Alpha]

Ok fellas

Jaggies point proven ............ lets move on and not turn the thread into another pointless rambling fireball to nowhere :)
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Not quite.

This is a zoomed view of a 1920 x 1080 screenshot taken at 8X AA using an ATI 6970. The lower edge of the fuselage, the antenna cable and the tailwheel are clearly not anti-aliased. Given the other problems that ATI 6000 series card owners have, I suspect that AA doesn't work on all cards. It certainly does not work on mine.



i have the same problem mate:confused:

+1 Plus its not working on mine


Why clog this thread up with a problem related to your video card ??

I asked you all not to and you ignore this request.

There are stickies dealing with technical problems at the top of the forum I suggest you use them.

[Capt Backasswards]

So what about UBI dropping support? (rumored here)
What about RoF taking over CoD? (simhq boards rumor)
What about the Invasion of Mars add-on? (new rumor)

Yes! The community strayed when Moses went away and worked on his patches... I mean tablets.

Actually, the community manager thing is a good idea. And we shall call him, MOSES.

[carguy_]

Thank you for the information. Community manager is something I`d welcome, especially when we have some trolls here posting about 1C aborting the project. Posting few words from time to time will prove them wrong.

[Dano]

Thank you for the update Luthier, it is very much appreciated, but please please take some time off, you'll do none of us any good continuing to work so much, least of all yourself.

[Strike]

So what about UBI dropping support? (rumored here)
What about RoF taking over CoD? (simhq boards rumor)
What about the Invasion of Mars add-on? (new rumor)

Yes! The community strayed when Moses went away and worked on his patches... I mean tablets.

Actually, the community manager thing is a good idea. And we shall call him, MOSES.

And this forum desperately needs a minimum of ten commandments....

The ten commandments of banana forums:

1. I am Cliffs of Dover, and I shall be the only sim of this forum.

2. Thou shall not worship the grass textures of competing sims.

3. Thou shall not flame thy sim in vain because of yee own faults

4. Thou shall never make any promises to deliver anything before at least two weeks has passed.

5. Honor thy Maddox and Luthier

6. Thou shall not flame, yee little Troll of little faith.

7. Thou shall not commit adultry with another flightsim?

8. Thou shall not steal forum space by making threads to openly accuse Maddox Games for robbing yee.

9. Thou shall not bear false witness of thy holy Maddox and Luthier abandoning the sim.

10. Thou shall not covet anything belonging in a different sim.

Amen

[Langnasen]

I'd like to know why teenagers are being allowed to moderate the forums of a professional developer. THAT indicates a woeful lack of good judgement.

[Langnasen]

Thank you for the information. Community manager is something I`d welcome, especially when we have some trolls here posting about 1C aborting the project. Posting few words from time to time will prove them wrong.

Yes, and that was exactly the point.

[ATAG_Bliss]

I'd like to know why teenagers are being allowed to moderate the forums of a professional developer.

Probably because there's 50 year olds that act like children.

[Capt Backasswards]

And this forum desperately needs a minimum of ten commandments....

The ten commandments of banana forums:

1. I am Cliffs of Dover, and I shall be the only sim of this forum.

2. Thou shall not worship the grass textures of competing sims.

3. Thou shall not flame thy sim in vain because of yee own faults

4. Thou shall never make any promises to deliver anything before at least two weeks has passed.

5. Honor thy Maddox and Luthier

6. Thou shall not flame, yee little Troll of little faith.

7. Thou shall not commit adultry with another flightsim?

8. Thou shall not steal forum space by making threads to openly accuse Maddox Games for robbing yee.

9. Thou shall not bear false witness of thy holy Maddox and Luthier abandoning the sim.

10. Thou shall not covet anything belonging in a different sim.

Amen

I might be in trouble with #7. I have had some intimate moments with RoF.:lol:

[White Owl]

Yes! The community strayed when Moses went away and worked on his patches... I mean tablets.


That was a damn good line.

[Langnasen]

Probably because there's 50 year olds that act like children.

Funny, I figured you were younger.

[BadAim]

Thanks for the update Luthier. I hope your new "Forum guy" has some serious "Moral Fibre", cause he's gonna get the crap kicked out of 'im otherwise. In Maddox we trust.

[RE77ACTION]

Thanks for the update and I have complete trust that everything will sort out in time. In the meantime I enjoy the game/sim for what it is already!

[Old_Canuck]

Luthier! Thanks for the update!




Wow! Last of the big spenders! But you really need to check the licence agreement more closely. The $14.41 version of the game specifically forbids sarcastic and derogitory comments by the licence holder.

I on the other hand being the proud owner of the Special Collectors edition am licenced to make all the witty comments I like.

Cheers! ;)

Skoshi, you gave me the first good laugh of the weekend. Thanks :grin:

[easytarget3]

thanks for the update, and good luck and good will with the fixing!
i love many stuff about the COD, and i hope there will be cool campaign in future with more exciting features and characters so we can get hook up forever :-) and enjoy it.multi need big fixing and iam sure you know about it, i just say every time i spawned my flight i crashed sitting in hangar with broken plane and the rest of my flight was scattered around so i was trying to find plane which wasnt broken and fly.Also i have no idea if my bombs exploded or not,bit confused with the fuses and timing.ok i cut it off this isnt thread for reporting anyway sorry.

[AARPRazorbacks]

Thanks for the update.

Looking forwarder to the next update and patch.

All's well on the good ship lollypop.

The best is yet to come.

Congratulations to the new hires.

I would like to note also that I asked in a thread at some point if the bullet holes in the glass only happens in MP.

I'm glad to say I got bullet holes in the glass in single play last night."S":grin:

flyer01

[jg27_mc]

Thanks for the feedback.
Somehow it made me fell less bad regarding the 49.99 € I spent in this software.
Regards

[ATAG_Doc]

I have none of these issues Luthier speaks of. Runs like a charm here. I got full screen and I can alt-tab'd out to do some editing of a video and then upload it and alt-tab back into game and carry on no problem. I see silly bugs that are not related to performance though things like track recording of cem is borked. The track playback features as well. But no crashes or anything. Just pure erotica.

[AARPRazorbacks]

Before you watch this video it is not in CLoD but another sim that I enjoy.

I have lots of flight sims I like to fly in and CLoD is one of them.

To the CLoD team thank you for what your doing for all the flight sim'ers around the globe.

flyer01

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsLmjGQAdDA

[kendo65]

I'd like to know why teenagers are being allowed to moderate the forums of a professional developer. THAT indicates a woeful lack of good judgement.

Not a word about Luthier's post then which refutes eveything you said in your previous post???!!!

Just another whinge.

[T}{OR]

Thank you luthier for posting this. By the time I purchase the game it will be well operational for the majority users.

Any news on the dedicated server software?

Just another whinge.

And another addition to the ignore list. :)

[Seeker]

Thanks for that.

[Langnasen]

Not a word about Luthier's post then which refutes eveything you said in your previous post???!!!

Just another whinge.

I'd like to think my previous post had something to do with Luthier's post, as was intended. The point had to be made, because nobody else's was working.

The obvious was clearly over some peoples' heads though, wasn't it. :rolleyes:

As for Luthier's post, it's a good one and could only have been improved by being a few days earlier. Being kept in the picture isn't much to ask, and clearly Luthier agrees. :)

[anavas44]

Thanks a lot for the status update Luthier. With your words you just have confirmed me that buying the Collector's Edition of Cliffs of Dover on day 1 (back in March, as I'm from Europe) is the best decision I could ever do.

[Skiiwa]

Amen!!!!!!!!

[Tiger27]

Next time try posting the full picture, and not a cut down size, which will make the screenshot look better anyway
Plus i can see jaggies on the left wing facing us

But these are attractive jaggies, unlike the ugly ones being mentioned by some posters.

[Tiger27]

Originally Posted by carguy_ View Post
Thank you for the information. Community manager is something I`d welcome, especially when we have some trolls here posting about 1C aborting the project. Posting few words from time to time will prove them wrong.

Yes, and that was exactly the point.

No your point was to stir up trouble as usual, have you apologised yet for the lie you told about the game being dumped, your always big on honesty and expecting apologies from the devs in your posts, so how about you lead the way?

[JG14_Jagr]

Plus i can see jaggies on the left wing facing us

Doc, I hate to be the bearer of bad news but those "jaggies" on the wing are the paint job, not the 3D model..

[Lololopoulos]

thank you very much for the update. i thought i would post a reply to show my support ;)

[Theshark888]

... .makes me sceptical what is really going on at 1c......

I'm with you. Things are a bit worse than I expected. Seems like 1C lost abunch of the CoD crew years ago. I appreciate the news but this is very dissappointing:(

[Blackdog_kt]

On topic:

Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated as usual.

I trust that hiring new people and setting your artists to work on future add-ons (and thus, paying them) instead of giving them a lengthy leave of absence means you are mostly out of the woods financially speaking. I've always thought "if it has problems they'll fix it, as long as there are funds available". It seems like they currently are, so no worries from me and i'm happy to see my purchase is being put to good use.

I run medium settings on a mid-range, two year old PC (i7 920, 3GB RAM, Ati 4890, win7 pro x64) with good frame rates, there's still some things to fix (both performance and gameplay issues, mostly controls) but this is not the thread to report them and i'm already having too much fun with what's included while you repair the rest of the features.


Speculation/idea:

Maybe it's the support for Steam overlay functions ("player X has joined such and such game", steam's community features) that's causing trouble with the full screen mode? I mean, even if they are disabled the support for them is probably hard-coded, it needs to somehow overlay things over the main game display and since it was announced somewhat late maybe it's not a completely seamless integration.

It could be a good idea to ask valve directly about this and demand their cooperation if such an issue exists, after all they too stand to make a profit by selling your sim.


Off-topic:

I'd like to know why teenagers are being allowed to moderate the forums of a professional developer. THAT indicates a woeful lack of good judgement.

Probably because there's 50 year olds that act like children.

Sorry to say so, i don't have any "stakes" in whatever forum "vendetta" you guys may or may not have, but this is one of the best come back lines i've ever come across on an internet forum. I'm noting it down for future use, it's that funny :-P

[Scarecrow]

Enough with apologies. The cretins making all the noise don't want your apologies they just want to destroy your product/livelyhood/life. Even if the release had been flawless they would have found something to criticise as I guess you didn't make their plane/ammo uber enough in 1946 or maybe the IL2 series was to much of a success for their liking and they have taken it upon themselves to knock you down a notch for your impertenance. Don't bother apologising as the only thing they want is you on your knees in a gutter begging for spare change, they are not even interested in the game and the future of flightsims.

I feel sorry for you having to bow and scrape for the approval of a bunch of (insert expletive here).

[Flying_Nutcase]

It's good of you to check in. Much appreciated and good luck with progress.

[Langnasen]

Originally Posted by carguy_ View Post
Thank you for the information. Community manager is something I`d welcome, especially when we have some trolls here posting about 1C aborting the project. Posting few words from time to time will prove them wrong.



No your point was to stir up trouble as usual, have you apologised yet for the lie you told about the game being dumped, your always big on honesty and expecting apologies from the devs in your posts, so how about you lead the way?

You're wrong, my post was not intended to "cause trouble", it was intended to get a reaction. An appropriate reaction. Comms from the devs. And there were no "lies" told. Unless you'd like to prove me wrong with a quote? Hmm? Easy word to throw around Tiger. But even if I had "lied", it wouldn't be the biggest "lie" around here, would it.

Complete silence from the devs, even after people had posted messages about it, that got me riled up. I figured a post summising the game had been dumped might get somebody's attention, and it did. You may be comfortable being ignored under these sorts of circumstances, but me and a whole bunch of other people ARE NOT.

And Luthier is in agreement, so save your whining Tiger.

[Langnasen]

Enough with apologies. The cretins making all the noise don't want your apologies they just want to destroy your product/livelyhood/life. Even if the release had been flawless they would have found something to criticise as I guess you didn't make their plane/ammo uber enough in 1946 or maybe the IL2 series was to much of a success for their liking and they have taken it upon themselves to knock you down a notch for your impertenance. Don't bother apologising as the only thing they want is you on your knees in a gutter begging for spare change, they are not even interested in the game and the future of flightsims.

I feel sorry for you having to bow and scrape for the approval of a bunch of (insert expletive here).

If this game ever reaches the promise of its potential it'll get the same support from me (at least) that I've given OFF over the last few years. That of being the best sim since RB2-3D.

[Boogz]

You're wrong, my post was not intended to "cause trouble", it was intended to get a reaction. An appropriate reaction. Comms from the devs. And there were no "lies" told. Unless you'd like to prove me wrong with a quote? Hmm? Easy word to throw around Tiger. But even if I had "lied", it wouldn't be the biggest "lie" around here, would it.

Complete silence from the devs, even after people had posted messages about it, that got me riled up. I figured a post summising the game had been dumped might get somebody's attention, and it did. You may be comfortable being ignored under these sorts of circumstances, but me and a whole bunch of other people ARE NOT.

And Luthier is in agreement, so save your whining Tiger.

Werner, how are you doing up there? Bit windy on the top, isnt it? But do not despair, you standing firm in your lonely battle to give us, the lesser people, a game that we some day may be able to enjoy is most highly appreciated. Thank you!

[Langnasen]

Werner, how are you doing up there? Bit windy on the top, isnt it? But do not despair, you standing firm in your lonely battle to give us, the lesser people, a game that we some day may be able to enjoy is most highly appreciated. Thank you!

You're welcome.

If it wasn't for the complainers we wouldn't have had a single patch, the devs would be sitting back counting their money while the purchasing public was cooing at how good-looking the slideshow was. :lol:

[SEE]

You're welcome.

If it wasn't for the complainers we wouldn't have had a single patch, the devs would be sitting back counting their money while the purchasing public was cooing at how good-looking the slideshow was. :lol:



You are kidding?.......'testing and evaluation' plays a greater part in driving improvements! Everyone who gave constructive feedback to the devs deserves credit. Show me a single thread regards 'how cool the game looks as a slideshow' and your perception of the Developers is pretty insulting........

[Langnasen]

You are kidding?.......'testing and evaluation' plays a greater part in driving improvements! Everyone who gave constructive feedback to the devs deserves credit. Show me a single thread regards 'how cool the game looks as a slideshow' and your perception of the Developers is pretty insulting........

Yeah, I'm kidding...kind of. That's why there's a laughing smiley on the end of the sentence.

The point has a point...if there had not been bitter criticism of this game do you think there would have been such a concerted effort from the devs? If there was not continued bitter criticism do you think the devs would still be as commited? Take a hint from Human Nature 101 mate.

[Boogz]

The obvious was clearly over some peoples' heads though, wasn't it. :rolleyes:

Above qoute springs to mind (fyi my post was 100 per cent ironic).

[Tiger27]

You're wrong, my post was not intended to "cause trouble", it was intended to get a reaction. An appropriate reaction. Comms from the devs. And there were no "lies" told. Unless you'd like to prove me wrong with a quote? Hmm? Easy word to throw around Tiger. But even if I had "lied", it wouldn't be the biggest "lie" around here, would it.

Complete silence from the devs, even after people had posted messages about it, that got me riled up. I figured a post summising the game had been dumped might get somebody's attention, and it did. You may be comfortable being ignored under these sorts of circumstances, but me and a whole bunch of other people ARE NOT.

And Luthier is in agreement, so save your whining Tiger.

Do you even read what you post or do you just let it dribble out without thought, heres your quote.

Oh just to remind you, the title of your thread was "So the games been dumped."

Now I dont see a question mark in your title, sounds more like a statement to me, your op didnt do anything to change that opinion either,
"Didn't take long, did it. About four weeks was it? Another notch on Ubi's barrel. Shame, there were a few days there when it looked like the devs almost had it cracked."

Of course it would get a reaction, its was a blatant lie as the game hasn't been dumped as you cleary stated in the title.

You do realise there are many other people that asked for the devs to give us some information, without resorting to the rubbish you post, its not that what you request is always wrong it's the way you go about it, we all know the game needs fixing but for some reason you seem to think you are some internet superhero fighting against injustice in the gaming world, thanks for your help, but no thanks.

Anyway, you have your quote, oh by the way, whining is when you carry on about something over and over, you should know about that Werner/Langnasen.

[Langnasen]

Anyway, you have your quote, oh by the way, whining is when you carry on about something over and over, you should know about that Werner/Langnasen.

Yes. So please, quit whining Tiger.

And as already pointed out as obvious, the post was intended to provoke, not deceive. Obviously. Therefore not a lie. Obviously. :rolleyes:

[kendo65]

Yes. So please, quit whining Tiger.

And as already pointed out as obvious, the post was intended to provoke, not deceive. Obviously. Therefore not a lie. Obviously. :rolleyes:

"Obviously"?? - there was nothing obvious about it. Or do you want us to take everything you say as potentially untrue, done for some ulterior motive that you consider in all our best interests?

It takes some chutzpah to try to turn spreading blatantly untrue and potentially damaging information into some kind of warm-hearted, public service motive.

[Baron]

Funny thing is, i never asked to be looked after or have somone stand up for my rights.

[Blackdog_kt]

So, you purposefully try to annoy people to get a reaction? Sorry, but that's the usual definition of trolling :-P

I don't have any problem with people saying there are issues with the sim. I've said so a bunch of times, but i report the issues in the relevant threads, look for work-arounds and if i manage to find one i tell other people about it too, it might just make the sim more playable for them.

Which means, i don't go around saying "the game is broken and crap", i post in the gameplay threads and say "the gyrocompass doesn't work in the ju88" when someone asks why the autopilot doesn't work.

It's not what you say, it's how you say it. Thinking that your tactics at provoking a response are the cause of the community as a whole getting one is a display of a bit too much self importance if you ask me.

This is no different to the people who defend the sim no matter what and that's the funniest thing of all, the strongly negative people and the full-on fanboy mode posters hate each other's guts, but they are actually quite similar: they all think they have an impact on the product's long term, much more than they do ;)

[MegOhm]

Luthier as always thanks for keeping us in the loop. I don't need daily updates but I love to hear how you guys are doing. It makes the whole thing that much more real to me and it gives us that inside track that we really appreciate.

I still can't even buy the game yet but it looks like Steam release to North American customers is coming up soon and I'm excited to get in on the action.

Good luck and keep things coming!

Yes you can buy it now, go to http://justflight.com/product.asp?pid=645

I live in SoCal and have Had it a for about a month now, pay here get your code and DL at Steam.....

[Langnasen]

Oh please, spare me the pretended outrage and manufactured inability to understand the obvious.

[philip.ed]

The obvious? The obvious is just your opinion. Not everyone will agree with your views, so don't be arrogant enough to assume that they are correct.

[kaisey]

I'd like to think my previous post had something to do with Luthier's post, as was intended. The point had to be made, because nobody else's was working.

The obvious was clearly over some peoples' heads though, wasn't it. :rolleyes:

As for Luthier's post, it's a good one and could only have been improved by being a few days earlier. Being kept in the picture isn't much to ask, and clearly Luthier agrees. :)



LMAO@Langnasen....please don't try and say your motive was so noble as to get devs to reply. How old are you by the way?

All your posts are negative... I think you are just out for bite.

But it is entertaining.....but always the same guys bagging this game

[Fansadox]

Enough Luthier...

Dont keep saying in every single post you work 12 to 14 hours a day 7 days a week cause i DONT care. Thats your problem and it means your team isnt sufficient at all. Ever tried driving a racing car with only one gear ? right doesnt work either...


So fix the broken sorryA game cause its getting annoying. Fullscreen giving problems made me laugh im sorry but i dont feel sorry for you guys at all. dont get me wrong i loved Il2 and hell it looks 200% better then COD with a configurated ini file and some modpacks. But this game just takes the piss.

Your not getting any carebear love from me unlike the tons of golden retrievers that lurk here. Just do the job and fix it !

[KG26_Alpha]

Thank you luthier for posting this. By the time I purchase the game it will be well operational for the majority users.

Any news on the dedicated server software?


CoD is a dedicated server already.

Using "-server" on the launcher .exe

But the search feature on this forum should explain more for you.








.

[Strike]

I must say it's interesting how every status update initially is greeted with thanks and encouragement, but somehow it always finds a way to turn into a "good job" versus "awful job" epic battle of flaming and trolling after only a few days. The essence of the original post is now only a battlefield riddled with craters and burning wrecks and bodies that are now rotting and stinking the place up.

Anyone agree?

[Fansadox]

I must say it's interesting how every status update initially is greeted with thanks and encouragement, but somehow it always finds a way to turn into a "good job" versus "awful job" epic battle of flaming and trolling after only a few days. The essence of the original post is now only a battlefield riddled with craters and burning wrecks and bodies that are now rotting and stinking the place up.

Anyone agree?

Disagree cause people have different visions and feelings about this game its good and healthy for a company to hear both.

[kendo65]

Yeah. May as well lock it now.

[Winger]

I must say it's interesting how every status update initially is greeted with thanks and encouragement, but somehow it always finds a way to turn into a "good job" versus "awful job" epic battle of flaming and trolling after only a few days. The essence of the original post is now only a battlefield riddled with craters and burning wrecks and bodies that are now rotting and stinking the place up.

Anyone agree?

I do. People should stop complaining ad start playing. I for my part enjoy tha game bigtime. And ever day i get a little better at aiming with my 109 and the cannonammo stops to feel as if it were only like 20 bullets:)

Winger

[Strike]

Disagree cause people have different visions and feelings about this game its good and healthy for a company to hear both.

Did you read at all the few sentances I wrote? I agree 100% that it's healthy to hear both good sides and bad sides experienced by the customers. Otherwise the product wouldn't go anywhere. But my point is that it's becoming personal attacks and getting way out of topic with people making up excuses or denying valid point of their opposition just to keep arguing. Feel free to disagree though...

[T}{OR]

CoD is a dedicated server already.

Using "-server" on the launcher .exe

But the search feature on this forum should explain more for you.

Ah! Thanks for explaining that.

Don't have the game yet.

[Langnasen]

The obvious? The obvious is just your opinion. Not everyone will agree with your views, so don't be arrogant enough to assume that they are correct.

Don't be arrogant enough to think I give a rats arse what you think mate, you or any of the other obsequious haters around here. All I give a damn about is seeing this game run 100%.

[II./JG1_Wilcke]

Ugly? Jaggies?

http://i55.tinypic.com/29mae6a.jpg

Hey, hey, hey, your wrecking my wheat crop with that buzz job! To bad my 20mm wasn't loaded and manned!

[whatnot]

Thanks for the info luthier!

About time to get a community manager to babysit this nuthouse. I'd also appereciate if mods would keep the trolls in bay by just deleting the posts, because it gets ridiculous reading the same whines and rants for almost two months in a row.

We all know that loads of stuff needs to be added and fixed and we'll possibly even get someone to keep us up-to-date about the progress. But for f*cks sake STFU already on the "It wasn't a finished product, have shelved it, feel cheated, not enough fun, want money back, big stutters" -threads and posts!!!11one

It's yesterday's news! Everyone knows them after 30498309 repeats and everything useful is buried under whiners rants and even decent threads go under because of it. Just make a sticky of acknowledging the issues and ban everyone crying after their loss of faith in humanity because of CloD. And then simply ban everyone for not voicing the issues in a constructive manner!

This is my rant on rants and will prolly get me in trouble, but my cry-whine detector exploded and I couldn't help it. My hat goes off to rest of you who try to keep a civil discussion with the trolls and other whinos without resorting to name calling.
But I think they're a bunch of whining maggots that should crawl under their blankets and continue their cries there, as I don't think another 8 weeks of it here @ 1c forum will be enough to dry your eyes. We all know you're upset, enough already!

[philip.ed]

Don't be arrogant enough to think I give a rats arse what you think mate, you or any of the other obsequious haters around here. All I give a damn about is seeing this game run 100%.

Hater? that's rich. And if you don't care, why responsd?
I know you 'apparently' want to see this game run 100%. You've said it 100 times, and that's in the space of a week or so.
But if you really care so much then spend your-time bugfixing and supplying the team with useful information, other than posts which you 'think' will spur luthier to make an announcement...an announcement which causes him to stop work on the sim to write a statement on what they plan to do with it...

But logic was never your strong point. Don't get me wrong, I can see what you're intending to do, but you're trolling your way around as though your views are the views to end all views. And I'm not arrogant to think that you care, just considerate in understanding your view, when you are clearly someone who is conceited and unrelenting in moaning (un-constructively).

[kristorf]

Thanks for the info luthier!

About time to get a community manager to babysit this nuthouse. I'd also appereciate if mods would keep the trolls in bay by just deleting the posts, because it gets ridiculous reading the same whines and rants for almost two months in a row.

We all know that loads of stuff needs to be added and fixed and we'll possibly even get someone to keep us up-to-date about the progress. But for f*cks sake STFU already on the "It wasn't a finished product, have shelved it, feel cheated, not enough fun, want money back, big stutters" -threads and posts!!!11one

It's yesterday's news! Everyone knows them after 30498309 repeats and everything useful is buried under whiners rants and even decent threads go under because of it. Just make a sticky of acknowledging the issues and ban everyone crying after their loss of faith in humanity because of CloD. And then simply ban everyone for not voicing the issues in a constructive manner!

This is my rant on rants and will prolly get me in trouble, but my cry-whine detector exploded and I couldn't help it. My hat goes off to rest of you who try to keep a civil discussion with the trolls and other whinos without resorting to name calling.
But I think they're a bunch of whining maggots that should crawl under their blankets and continue their cries there, as I don't think another 8 weeks of it here @ 1c forum will be enough to dry your eyes. We all know you're upset, enough already!

+1

God help the poor soul who takes on the managers post.......

[JG14_Jagr]

If there was not continued bitter criticism do you think the devs would still be as commited? Take a hint from Human Nature 101 mate.

Absolutely there would be. The game plan is and always has been to use the core code as the basis for a long series of add ons. Its a business model that overcomes the shortcomings of flight simulations in general.. narrow customer base and HUGE development times.

[KastaRules]

Thank you guys for all your hard work!

[Gollum]

The current build we have did address the multiplayer issues, thanks in no small part to the help of the dedicated server hosts. Obviously MP is a larger priority than the full-screen mode. If by the end of the day Tuesday we still haven't solved the full screen issue, we will most likely release the patch anyway just so you guys can have stable reliable MP experience, and add the full-screen fix at a later time.


Thanks for the update. I do appreciate atleast knowing what's going on. What exactly is this full screen thing? As far as I know my game runs in full screen (at least I think it does). Are some people's games running in a window or something or is what my game doing not "full screen" and I just don't realize it? I keep seeing this and don't understand what it is exactly.:confused:

[Frequent_Flyer]

Mods can you open a single thread where Luthier posts as a " Read only". So the folks that have time only for the " News" can avoid all the "editorials " ?

[kllr101]

Mods can you open a single thread where Luthier posts as a " Read only". So the folks that have time only for the " News" can avoid all the "editorials " ?

This would be a good idea actually, a "latest update" thread, that luthier can update with news.

It'll also be a good archive for the team to go back over at a later date, too. :)

[Freycinet]

You're wrong, my post was not intended to "cause trouble", it was intended to get a reaction. An appropriate reaction. Comms from the devs. And there were no "lies" told. Unless you'd like to prove me wrong with a quote? Hmm? Easy word to throw around Tiger. But even if I had "lied", it wouldn't be the biggest "lie" around here, would it.

Complete silence from the devs, even after people had posted messages about it, that got me riled up. I figured a post summising the game had been dumped might get somebody's attention, and it did. You may be comfortable being ignored under these sorts of circumstances, but me and a whole bunch of other people ARE NOT.

And Luthier is in agreement, so save your whining Tiger.

Wernervoss, you really are pathologically ill. God riddance.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Mods can you open a single thread where Luthier posts as a " Read only". So the folks that have time only for the " News" can avoid all the "editorials " ?

+1 This would be a very sensible idea.

[ATAG_Doc]

Absolutely there would be. The game plan is and always has been to use the core code as the basis for a long series of add ons. Its a business model that overcomes the shortcomings of flight simulations in general.. narrow customer base and HUGE development times.


I wish more people would understand this but it's all about the me I guess.

[Tiger27]

Yes. So please, quit whining Tiger.

And as already pointed out as obvious, the post was intended to provoke, not deceive. Obviously. Therefore not a lie. Obviously. :rolleyes:

You asked for a quote proving you were lying, you were given the quote and now come back with some rubbish about your intent to provoke being obvious, therefore not a lie. Sorry but that is total BS, obviously :rolleyes:

[klem]

I must say it's interesting how every status update initially is greeted with thanks and encouragement, but somehow it always finds a way to turn into a "good job" versus "awful job" epic battle of flaming and trolling after only a few days. The essence of the original post is now only a battlefield riddled with craters and burning wrecks and bodies that are now rotting and stinking the place up.

Anyone agree?

+1

anything past page 3 is probably not worth reading (yes I know, I'm here, I jump to the last page to see if there's any closing news). Its Luthier's update. Its not a mods request (plenty of threads for that) or an e-peening arena. But it will always be like that.

[klem]

Thanks Luthier, can't wait for the 24th !

Hmmm 15th = Sunday, 'Tuesday' = 17th ? Fingers crossed.

[Eklund89]

Its eight days left to America release. If i were trying to get a bug-free game released i would start throwing beta patches like crazy at the same time i would arrange some kind of bug reporting site. They have really shot themselves in the foot when they try to get consistent information from random people in random posts at a forum.
Maybe they got some better idea in the works that we don't know of. As long as we get a nice America release we should all be happy. I hope a lot of people will by the game at release.
I'm really looking forward to some new content and working multi-player!

[Robert]

You're wrong, my post was not intended to "cause trouble", it was intended to get a reaction. An appropriate reaction. Comms from the devs. And there were no "lies" told. Unless you'd like to prove me wrong with a quote? Hmm? Easy word to throw around Tiger. But even if I had "lied", it wouldn't be the biggest "lie" around here, would it.

Complete silence from the devs, even after people had posted messages about it, that got me riled up. I figured a post summising the game had been dumped might get somebody's attention, and it did. You may be comfortable being ignored under these sorts of circumstances, but me and a whole bunch of other people ARE NOT.

And Luthier is in agreement, so save your whining Tiger.


A man who believes his own hype. ROLF.

Luthier was probably being more polite than anything. Your attempt to elicit a response from the team didn't cause them to respond to you except to stave off further infighting within the community. In fighting that you caused. In other words they were stamping out the little fire you started. Baby sitting? Yeah. That fits. They were baby sitting the likes of you.

That's all right. Keep building your castle in the sky. It must look pretty nice from where you sit. Too bad it's just a delusion. If any of your criticisms had ever been constructive you'd be an asset to the community, but I've not read one. Believe what you will, but the reality is that you are a troll...... here and at Sim HQ.

[engarde]

Hi everyone,

As I see, there are plenty of wild rumors circulating on these forums, and of course it's completely our fault. I myself simply cannot spend enough time posting on these forums, as I work 10-12 hour days 7 days a week and barely have time to sit down. I feel the weight of my failure to interact with the community daily, but all I have time for is browsing the forums, not actually posting.

We are however in the process of creating a full-time community manager position and setting up an old team member who will interact with you guys daily, answer questions, and keep you up to date on all events.

Otherwise, the work on the patch continues. The true full-screen mode has been a nightmare from hell. It still does not work properly. Every once in a while, after you hit Esc to go to the menu from inside the game, the game will go into the background and require you to alt-tab to you. And while it may seem like a pretty minor thing to most of you, after everything you've already lived through, it's still bad practice and annoying and we always feel like we're 'this' close to solving it.

The current build we have did address the multiplayer issues, thanks in no small part to the help of the dedicated server hosts. Obviously MP is a larger priority than the full-screen mode. If by the end of the day Tuesday we still haven't solved the full screen issue, we will most likely release the patch anyway just so you guys can have stable reliable MP experience, and add the full-screen fix at a later time.

We are also hard at work on some larger game components. We are also hiring, with quite a few new openings posted recently for our Moscow office. We already have a new team member, an experienced AI programmer, reworking our plane AI code and voice comms, and we are working to expand and improve our team during the coming weeks to make sure we can roll out better more well-rounded updates quicker. We are also hard at work on FM changes and improvements, redesigning GUI to make it more user-friendly, and creating new variants of existing aircraft.

Those team members not hard at work on improving CoD have also been working on new content for a new project for quite some time. We've posted a teaser in our V-E day post. Just to state again, work on that project is specifically designed not to interfere with our CoD support.

Most importantly, please don't take the frequency of my visits as an indication of anything right now. As a matter of fact, if you see me here posting a lot, that's the best clue that we are NOT working as hard as we should. All of us at 1C:Maddox Games, 1C Softclub, and Ubisoft, are fully committed to the game and to the series, and like we always said, we will continue to support it with patches, add-ons and sequels in the coming months and years.

i have quiet, solid faith that you and your team will shape a masterpiece as envisioned all along.

but, i must ask, always be on the side of "real", or "accurate", as you can get on the hardware vs performance scales.

please dont dumb things down for the legion of console minded kiddies who want a shoot-em-up.

its a simulator, if i want console games ill go buy something with Mario in it.

[602Sqn.McLean]

It's nearly 'the end of the day' Tuesday. Will that patch arrive. Unfortunately it's well and truly the end of tuesday for me. I'm off to bed. Will be looking here first thing in the morning before work to see.

[Kankkis]

It's nearly 'the end of the day' Tuesday. Will that patch arrive. Unfortunately it's well and truly the end of tuesday for me. I'm off to bed. Will be looking here first thing in the morning before work to see.


Moscow time is 16.15, most patches has been out 19.00-22.00 moscow time.

[Ze-Jamz]

Does this mean the patch will be released today (Tuesday) so we have time to test it/report back?

Or does Luth mean that they will give it till Tuesday to sort out 'fullscreen' but if not they will shelf it for now so they can concentrate on MP to get it fixed for Friday?

?

EDIT.. just read the above post, so hopefully today then

[Eshark]

Thanks for the update please keep them coming Iam really impressed by the way the guys are working hard on our behalf to get this game sorted out.I have been enjoying it as it is but yes much more needs to be done but Iam sure they will get there

[Kankkis]

Moscow time is 16.15, most patches has been out 19.00-22.00 moscow time.

Now im getting worried :(

[kristorf]

Here we go, patch panic.........

[Ze-Jamz]

I wouldnt go as far to say im worried :) but it looks like it was what i first thought..

They were going to try to get Fullscreen ready so it can be implemented into the patch on Friday or whenever its scheduled for release but they were only going to give it today (tuesday) before they give up on it? as more important things need to be sorted and have time spent on them like MP for example..

at least thats how i read it the first time

[Strike]

Now im getting worried :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDC5JalP4nU

[skouras]

i guess no patch today:grin:
nice video though:-)

[Heinz Laube]

The current build we have did address the multiplayer issues, thanks in no small part to the help of the dedicated server hosts. Obviously MP is a larger priority than the full-screen mode. If by the end of the day Tuesday we still haven't solved the full screen issue, we will most likely release the patch anyway just so you guys can have stable reliable MP experience, and add the full-screen fix at a later time.

according to this, the patch will come today, even the fullscreen isnt ready, patch is mainly for multiplayer stability... so just have patience. better patch later, then too early, again

[Kankkis]

Looks no patch today, moscow time is 22.17

[No145_Hatter]

That's the final straw.

I am going to kill a kitten every hour, on the hour, until the patch is released.

http://www.rathergood.com/cats

"God kills a kitten every time you masturbate"

[Ze-Jamz]

Looks no patch today, moscow time is 22.17

Lol..you got a point there

[Ataros]

100 people waiting for a patch on the forums. Why wait here? Get in multiplayer and relax. You can alt-tab to forums after each kill.

Many kittens and Obama's pills can be found in D3 zone on Repka #1 NOW.

Just see for yourself.
:grin:

[Ze-Jamz]

100 people waiting for a patch on the forums. Why wait here? Get in multiplayer and relax. You can alt-tab to forums after each kill.

Many kittens and Obama's pills can be found in D3 zone on Repka #1 NOW.

Just see for yourself.
:grin:

I'd love too if i could only select an Airfield :evil: (bugs gunna get yer)

[Ataros]

I'd love too if i could only select an Airfield :evil: (bugs gunna get yer)

Don't give up :grin: Just move your mouse about half-inch to 4 or 5 o'clock from a desired airfield till you see a pop-up saying "Spawn_1" for instance. Then just double click this point. Do not forget to chose your army first.

Real easy if you are as patient as a real WWII pilot :)

ps. Have some hangar explosions on the most eastern red airfield. Will try to fix it soon. Use other airfields for now.

[Ze-Jamz]

Don't give up :grin: Just move your mouse about half-inch to 4 or 5 o'clock from a desired airfield till you see a pop-up saying "Spawn_1" for instance. Then just double click this point. Do not forget to chose your army first.

Real easy if you are as patient as a real WWII pilot :)

ps. Have some hangar explosions on the most eastern red airfield. Will try to fix it soon. Use other airfields for now.

Lol..yea i know all this mate :)

ive been playing on other servers but for some reason i cannot select airfields anywhere on yours

[adonys]

so, no patch as of yet?

[AARPRazorbacks]

so, no patch as of yet?

Not that I know of.

[Strike]

Ok, excuse my irritation, but what kind of mindless person would still ask if there's still no patch when every single patch released comes in a NEW thread at the sticky top of the forum?!

Come on guys... seriously. It's not like Luthier is sitting at home, drinking beer infront of the TV and suddenly going "HOLY KREMLIN! I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT THAT PATCH LMFAOROFLLOLZ!!"

Let me semi-quote Luthier and say "If he's not posting here, he's busy fixing the game or reading complaints".

SERIOUSLY! Listen to Obama, chillpills!!! Now! Some of you guys need to OD on them.

[Stanger]

ok, excuse my irritation, but what kind of mindless person would still ask if there's still no patch when every single patch released comes in a new thread at the sticky top of the forum?!

Come on guys... Seriously. It's not like luthier is sitting at home, drinking beer infront of the tv and suddenly going "holy kremlin! I totally forgot about that patch lmfaorofllolz!!"

let me semi-quote luthier and say "if he's not posting here, he's busy fixing the game or reading complaints".

Seriously! Listen to obama, chillpills!!! Now! Some of you guys need to od on them.

mlol

[RE77ACTION]

Ok, excuse my irritation, but what kind of mindless person would still ask if there's still no patch when every single patch released comes in a NEW thread at the sticky top of the forum?!

Come on guys... seriously. It's not like Luthier is sitting at home, drinking beer infront of the TV and suddenly going "HOLY KREMLIN! I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT THAT PATCH LMFAOROFLLOLZ!!"

Let me semi-quote Luthier and say "If he's not posting here, he's busy fixing the game or reading complaints".

SERIOUSLY! Listen to Obama, chillpills!!! Now! Some of you guys need to OD on them.


:grin:

[Ze-Jamz]

Ok, excuse my irritation, but what kind of mindless person would still ask if there's still no patch when every single patch released comes in a NEW thread at the sticky top of the forum?!

Come on guys... seriously. It's not like Luthier is sitting at home, drinking beer infront of the TV and suddenly going "HOLY KREMLIN! I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT THAT PATCH LMFAOROFLLOLZ!!"

Let me semi-quote Luthier and say "If he's not posting here, he's busy fixing the game or reading complaints".

SERIOUSLY! Listen to Obama, chillpills!!! Now! Some of you guys need to OD on them.

ROFLMAOLOLZ...thats well funny, shit i cant stop laughing

[adonys]

Ok, excuse my irritation..


actually, it's more like "If by the end of the day Tuesday we still haven't solved the full screen issue, we will most likely release the patch anyway just so you guys can have stable reliable MP experience, and add the full-screen fix at a later time".. Luthier said that, not me, so you, sir, are an idiot, pardon my french!

[JG14_Jagr]

we will most likely release the patch anyway just so you guys can have stable reliable MP experience,

There are no sure things :)

[DrSanchez]

if you wait till the end of the day on Tuesday, then it is Wednesday. No?

[Ze-Jamz]

actually, it's more like "If by the end of the day Tuesday we still haven't solved the full screen issue, we will most likely release the patch anyway just so you guys can have stable reliable MP experience, and add the full-screen fix at a later time".. Luthier said that, not me, so you, sir, are an idiot, pardon my french!

i think he got lost in the moment or didnt get the vibe from the thread...to me it looks like a few people are chatting amongst themselves as opposed to 'demanding' a patch which is what hes implying...

nvm

[Strike]

actually, it's more like "If by the end of the day Tuesday we still haven't solved the full screen issue, we will most likely release the patch anyway just so you guys can have stable reliable MP experience, and add the full-screen fix at a later time".. Luthier said that, not me, so you, sir, are an idiot, pardon my french!

I'm sorry I offended you, but it was kindof on purpose to offend the "mindless people" that keep asking just for the sake of asking. It reminds me of : "Are we there yet? Are we there yet?" The answer is still no. Some guy already highlighted the same quote you threw at me and I re-quote: we will most likely release the patch . Does it say he will?

To most people here, my post wasn't offensive but rather funny and I talked in general, I didn't attack you specifically. You just happened to be in the target group.

You, however, just served your own head on a silver plate by calling me, specifically, an idiot. Why do such a thing?

:( sadface

[Tree_UK]

Likely, Probably and Hopefully. These words were used frequently during development and have proved useful on more than one occasion. :grin:

[Strike]

Likely, Probably and Hopefully. These words were used frequently during development and have proved useful on more than one occasion. :grin:

Also, surely Tree if I borrow your huge magnifying glass from your avatar a sec. Thank you... let's see... ah! Clue! Tuesday. He hasn't specified which Tuesday he's thinking about!

Also to add on the quote list : Be sure. It means the opposite multiplied with a random value between 2 weeks and 5 years.

*Hands back magnifying glass* Thank you!

[Tree_UK]

Also, surely Tree if I borrow your huge magnifying glass from your avatar a sec. Thank you... let's see... ah! Clue! Tuesday. He hasn't specified which Tuesday he's thinking about!

Also to add on the quote list : Be sure. It means the opposite multiplied with a random value between 2 weeks and 5 years.

*Hands back magnifying glass* Thank you!

lol, excellent observation there Strike old chap. :grin:

[AARPRazorbacks]

Ok, excuse my irritation, but what kind of mindless person would still ask if there's still no patch when every single patch released comes in a NEW thread at the sticky top of the forum?!

Come on guys... seriously. It's not like Luthier is sitting at home, drinking beer infront of the TV and suddenly going "HOLY KREMLIN! I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT THAT PATCH LMFAOROFLLOLZ!!"

Let me semi-quote Luthier and say "If he's not posting here, he's busy fixing the game or reading complaints".

SERIOUSLY! Listen to Obama, chillpills!!! Now! Some of you guys need to OD on them.

Word to the wise:
"Don't throw salt over your shoulder if your the person that has to sweeping the floor.":)

[Codex]

At the end of the day some people fail to understand that software development, no matter what the project, is not an exact science. And it's unfortunate that we live in a "I must have it now" society where some people find it hard to come to grips with the concept of patience.

Here’s an email trail of my experience at work …

Manager:

Hi Marc,
In <boss>'s absence could you please advise on the below?Hi <boss>,
Could you please advise when our Team Leaders will have access to the Performance Calculator?

Me:

Hi <Manager>,

I'm unable to give an exact date, <boss> and I need to run some tests on the data your Team Leaders have provided us to make sure the calculator is reflecting accurate results before releasing it. I've set aside two weeks ( ;) ) to get things finalised; however, <boss> has got the final say on when it goes live.


Manager:

Hi Marc,

Due to the fact that we need to deliver Performance Management Reviews now, can we aim to get this application ASAP? Or should I advise the Team Leader to deliver PMRs in the old excel docs?
This "unknown" is frustrating for the Team Leaders and Consultants.”


Me:

If the TL's need to deliver their Performance Reviews right now then by all means deliver them via the old workbooks.

I can appreciate the frustration. At this time though, we still don't have all the Team Leader’s half year results as requested, and all their workstation ID to deploy the Calculator. Also, I'm testing the integrity of the data that we do have through the calculator, and coding in the "print" function so the TL's can produce a hardcopy of the results.

Having discussed this with <boss> our aim is to have everything in place, ready to go for Team Leader's to start entering in April's results by May, and to have all the first half results stored and verified.

I hope this provides you with some clarity.


... this happened a day after demonstrating the application at a managers meeting and clearly stating that the application was not ready.

I feel for you Luthier :cool:

[Skoshi Tiger]

I don't blame the development team for not releasing a patch before it is ready.

There is an extremely vocal element in our community that is highly critical and would jump on even minor bugs and flood the forum with digital effluent.

Ah Well it is the price we all have to pay!

Cheers to the development team for their continued hard work and diligence.

[machoo]

OMG no patch , yet and it's Wednesday afternoons. Surely this must mean that they have all quit.

[Doc_uk]

OMG no patch , yet and it's Wednesday afternoons. Surely this must mean that they have all quit.
They are all round my place having tea and buiscuts :)

[Vengeanze]

No patch makes me happy. Means they're onto something and working fiercly (spelling).

[Eklund89]

The clock is 10:50 in Moscow.. we usually get patches at 22-23:00.

[Kankkis]

The clock is 10:50 in Moscow.. we usually get patches at 22-23:00.

True but it's wednesday ;)

[SG1_Lud]

At the end of the day some people fail to understand that software development, no matter what the project, is not an exact science. And it's unfortunate that we live in a "I must have it now" society where some people find it hard to come to grips with the concept of patience.

Here’s an email trail of my experience at work …

Manager:
[/INDENT]
Me:


Manager:


Me:


... this happened a day after demonstrating the application at a managers meeting and clearly stating that the application was not ready.

I feel for you Luthier :cool:

But... what if your last answer was like:

ME:You are right <Team Manager>. Is only our fault. We will stay here working for you 24/7 with no weekends, no family, "insert favourite sacrifice here"...

TEAM MANAGER:
Are you crazy? When we left yesterday's meeeting we ordered 50.000$ in brand new hardware just because you said that the performance calculator was almost done. We need it now!


<...>

See my point? Who fed the whine? :grin:

Jokes apart, human nature is so, we can't change that.

The pesimistic will disect every word and comma, make inferences and concludes the bottle as half empty. For god sake, some of them even will use a magnifying glass! (*)

The optimistic will see in every word of Luthier the bottle half full, if Luthier leaves a big shit in the middle or the room, they will think he is planning to gift them a horse. (*)

* Disclaimer: A caricature (from the Italian caricatura, which means "loaded portrait") is a portrait or drawing of a person that exaggerates the way they look, usually to create a humorous effect, or a political statement.

But almost everybody accepts that is half filled.
And is a fact that almost everybody, want it full.

As for me, the best thing I think I can do now is accept my role of beta testers and post in the correspondent thread our confirmed bug observations.

What I dont understand is why some don't accept it, and every time that one guy says "oh I love the game", or the opposite "i hate this game", has to intervene in the thread with something like "%$··" you moron, get out your ugly face of your 4$$hole".


*dives and run away*

[BigPickle]

As for me, the best thing I think I can do now is accept my role of beta testers and post in the correspondent thread our confirmed bug observations.

I think you'll find people cant accept it because they have paid $40 and ended up being a beta tester not through their choice.

Now, get out your ugly face of your 4$$hole" :-P (Joke)

I'm sure the patch will be here soon, think of it this way, maybe they have broke ground on the Full screen, and need a few more hours just to wrap it up!

[klem]

Wow! Tuesday came and went and some poor guy simply expressed his disappointment at not seeing the update yet. Perhaps he thought someone else may have seen something he hadn't. Let's be honest, we're all wondering when....

I'm not sure what's worse, the simple expression of disappointment or the thread-gobbling self-righteous crud that followed it. To which I'm adding of course, but thats what threads are like aren't they?

Just a minute, let me get my asbestos suit on before you all start. Or maybe I'll go back to bed and get out the other side.

[SG1_Lud]

I think you'll find people cant accept it because they have paid $40 and ended up being a beta tester not through their choice.

Now, get out your ugly face of your 4$$hole" :-P (Joke)


Hehe thanks now I see better :D

As a side note: I paid after having known of the first russian reports, so I had the option.... But I can accept (with some doubts hehe) that someone else bought blindly (for example a noob in this forum)

[Fjordmonkey]

I think much of the discussions in this thread are rather hilarious, to be honest. So they didn't get the patch out yesterday. Big deal, zomgz someone call the whaaambulance.

Maybe it's because I've been playing MMO's for a very long time (most of it dealing with Funcom), but I've learned to have patience. Luthier & Co will put out a Beta-patch when they feel it's ready for testing.

Sometimes they'll have to push back an estimated release date. So what? Are people actually THIS impatient?

On second thought, nevermind answering that. I think the answer is pretty much given.

[Eklund89]

I actually think its hilarious to see when we get a patch and everybody gets happy like little kids. Then it takes about 2-3 days to a week until they start whine and whine and moan and bitch about stuff that didn't get fixed. After yet another week they start coming up with epic conspiracy theories about everyone and everything involved in IL2 COD being a scam and fake and everything is just bad because they have no patience. I lol each time.

I'm just happy luthier et al. don't care about the whiners and continue work.

[Baron]

If a team of professional shrinks would use a forum like this as a study group they would be scraching thire heads for decades to come.

[ivo]

I actually think its hilarious to see when we get a patch and everybody gets happy like little kids. Then it takes about 2-3 days to a week until they start whine and whine and moan and bitch about stuff that didn't get fixed. After yet another week they start coming up with epic conspiracy theories about everyone and everything involved in IL2 COD being a scam and fake and everything is just bad because they have no patience. I lol each time.

I'm just happy luthier et al. don't care about the whiners and continue work.

+1

that right.:cool:

[Tvrdi]

+1

that right.:cool:

then again with i7 gtx480 and 6 gigs of RAM this sim struggles sometimes (plane is in flame in front of you...above land on some areas etc)...then all the missing content....whining? call it what u like...the facts are here


while this poor sim struggles with performance on high end PCs, missing content, AA and ugly landscape ROF has new autumn textures for landscape....they can learn from them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4macujbv95k&feature=player_embedded#at=67

[Ze-Jamz]

Wow! Tuesday came and went and some poor guy simply expressed his disappointment at not seeing the update yet. Perhaps he thought someone else may have seen something he hadn't. Let's be honest, we're all wondering when....

I'm not sure what's worse, the simple expression of disappointment or the thread-gobbling self-righteous crud that followed it. To which I'm adding of course, but thats what threads are like aren't they?

Just a minute, let me get my asbestos suit on before you all start. Or maybe I'll go back to bed and get out the other side.

+1

Strange isnt it

[RE77ACTION]

then again with i7 gtx480 and 6 gigs of RAM this sim struggles sometimes (plane is in flame in front of you...above land on some areas etc)...then all the missing content....whining? call it what u like...the facts are here


while this poor sim struggles with performance on high end PCs, missing content, AA and ugly landscape ROF has new autumn textures for landscape....they can learn from them:



Hey, this sim isn't perfect yet. But remember that every new generation of flight sims is at the edge of what current top end hardware can handle. It's always been this way.

I don't understand the complaining about the colors. The colors of the landscape are pretty accurate for this region in May or early June. When I look outside (south-west of The Netherlands) the grass is almost the same color (even after a very dry and sunny spring). And no, I don't have to calibrate my monitor because it's already a hardware calibrated IPS monitor. The brownish autumn colors in 'your video' would be too much for autumn in this region. At best the colors of the game need a little fine tuning, but nothing severe.

[Winger]

then again with i7 gtx480 and 6 gigs of RAM this sim struggles sometimes (plane is in flame in front of you...above land on some areas etc)...then all the missing content....whining? call it what u like...the facts are here


while this poor sim struggles with performance on high end PCs, missing content, AA and ugly landscape ROF has new autumn textures for landscape....they can learn from them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4macujbv95k&feature=player_embedded#at=67

ROF, at this time after realse at wich CloD is now, was no single fart better Tvrdi. Wait 2 Years and look at CloD then and i BET CloD will be much further than ROF is now.
I for my part at the moment enjoy 20mm and 800HP greatly over 7,62mm and 180 HP:)

Winger

[Ibis]

Patches, what patches?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqomZQMZQCQ

[MD_Titus]

The obvious? The obvious is just your opinion. Not everyone will agree with your views, so don't be arrogant enough to assume that they are correct.

Word

[Tvrdi]

ROF, at this time after realse at wich CloD is now, was no single fart better Tvrdi. Wait 2 Years and look at CloD then and i BET CloD will be much further than ROF is now.
I for my part at the moment enjoy 20mm and 800HP greatly over 7,62mm and 180 HP:)

Winger

winger, you know me, I will praise when deserved and criticize when, again - deserved....ROF was much more optimised than CLOD at release (few of us had stutters but that was solved later)....OK we will see what will be with CLOD in 2 yrs....

H
I don't understand the complaining about the colors..
colors? Well not the colors but the vividness, saturation and brightnes....colors could be better but the earlier mentioned are the problem....and also the textures, trees are ugly, AA is not working properly...

[Winger]

I know Tvrdi. Just to clear up. By no means i intended to offend you. Got ugly quite too often in the ROF Forums:) Hopefully not here;)

Winger

[Kankkis]

How you feel, is next patch beta or official from Steam?

Beta is my bet.

[Tvrdi]

I know Tvrdi. Just to clear up. By no means i intended to offend you. Got ugly quite too often in the ROF Forums:) Hopefully not here;)

Winger

winger, didnt take your comment as offend as I know you :-) np mate, agree with you

[BigPickle]

Patches, what patches?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqomZQMZQCQ

Legend, mate funny as heck

[RE77ACTION]

How you feel, is next patch beta or official from Steam?

Beta is my bet.

I think that current beta will be officialiced with the necessary tweaks. This is the only satisfactory solution when the USA gets the game. Not everybody will try the beta. However, I'm happy to test new beta patches. If they don't work for me, I will roll back.

@Tvrdi: Sorry for my assumption you where talking about color although color is made up of hue, saturation and brightness. So far I read many complaints about the color, but it isn't too bad. The colors in the Youtube video wouldn't be correct for this region (even after the hottest summer ever). The video looks more like what you should expect in Russia with a land climate.

The only complain I would have is that not all acres look to be in the same season (some look summer, some look spring). And the only wish I have is that they make a landscape texture for each season and set the suns path and temperatures accordingly. That would be nice and it wouldn't take extra resources (except disk space) of the system.

[Skoshi Tiger]

The developers of every sim use programming tricks to get a desired result. These tricks are acceptable to some people and are not acceptable to others.

I don't mind the trees in COD but I really don't like the ones in ROF. ROF is a really good sim, I own it and fly it and have brought a lot of add on planes. But I do not like the way the trees turn around to look at you as you fly past.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp8KuO0McZw

I guess they use this trick to keep acceptable frame rate but for me this is an imersion killer and one of the reasons I don't fly down low in ROF.

Cheers!

PS I'm not trying to bash ROF (like I said I enjoy flying the sim) just highlight that no sim is perfect and that people have different opinions on what is acceptable.

[Tvrdi]

I think that current beta will be officialiced with the necessary tweaks. This is the only satisfactory solution when the USA gets the game. Not everybody will try the beta. However, I'm happy to test new beta patches. If they don't work for me, I will roll back.

@Tvrdi: Sorry for my assumption you where talking about color although color is made up of hue, saturation and brightness. So far I read many complaints about the color, but it isn't too bad. The colors in the Youtube video wouldn't be correct for this region (even after the hottest summer ever). The video looks more like what you should expect in Russia with a land climate.

The only complain I would have is that not all acres look to be in the same season (some look summer, some look spring). And the only wish I have is that they make a landscape texture for each season and set the suns path and temperatures accordingly. That would be nice and it wouldn't take extra resources (except disk space) of the system.

so we can have post saturation option in video settings...so we can tune this as we like...sure we do something in nvidia CP but that affets all the games which is not acceptable...

[Ivan Fooker]

What is the prob with those trees?
Everything is better than Il2 Layer trees in woods.
We cant expect neither in RoF or Cod trees like in ArmA2 or Crysis of course.

[Skoshi Tiger]

What is the prob with those trees?
Everything is better than Il2 Layer trees in woods.
We cant expect neither in RoF or Cod trees like in ArmA2 or Crysis of course.

look carefully, they spin around to face you as you go past.

[addman]

look carefully, they spin around to face you as you go past.

Those trees are kinda eerie.:)

[Skoshi Tiger]

Those trees are kinda eerie.:)

Thank God! Some one else can see it! I thought it was just me! Just like when ever I enter a room with a fish tank all the gold fish turn and stare.......



;)

[RE77ACTION]

look carefully, they spin around to face you as you go past.

Don't forget this game has to draw tens of thousands of trees in one view at some moments.

[addman]

Thank God! Some one else can see it! I thought it was just me! Just like when ever I enter a room with a fish tank all the gold fish turn and stare.......



;)

Innocent goldfishes...pfft! my *ss! How about people's eyes in paintings and photos? huh? huh?

[RE77ACTION]

look carefully, they spin around to face you as you go past.

I've just tested it. But I see nice 3D trees which I can fly around. Branches of a tree will move in front of each other when going around it.

[Ze-Jamz]

They are direct decendants of the Triffids:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RMBnYX1OtXY/S4t8kBgKVYI/AAAAAAAACSM/haD3VWEECvU/s320/day_of_the_triffids_CP148.jpg

[Skoshi Tiger]

:)

[Skoshi Tiger]

I've just tested it. But I see nice 3D trees which I can fly around. Branches of a tree will move in front of each other when going around it.

If it was true 3D you should be able to travel 360 degrees around it from all angles.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqQ8e3vVJFY

Like I said in my post, this was probably implemented this way to improve framerates and acceptable (even not noticable) for some people. For me it's an immersion killer. ( I'm hopeless at shooting things in the air and prefer if my targets are stationary on the ground ;) )

Sorry for digressing from topic.

Cheers

[Tvrdi]

If it was true 3D you should be able to travel 360 degrees around it from all angles.




Like I said in my post, this was probably implemented this way to improve framerates and acceptable (even not noticable) for some people. For me it's an immersion killer. ( I'm hopeless at shooting things in the air and prefer if my targets are stationary on the ground ;) )

Sorry for digressing from topic.

Cheers

good luck with immersion and optimisation in CLOD..trees in ROF are acceptable even since the overall landscape is more realistic than in cartoon of CLOD

[Houndstone Hawk]

then again with i7 gtx480 and 6 gigs of RAM this sim struggles sometimes (plane is in flame in front of you...above land on some areas etc)...then all the missing content....whining? call it what u like...the facts are here


while this poor sim struggles with performance on high end PCs, missing content, AA and ugly landscape ROF has new autumn textures for landscape....they can learn from them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4macujbv95k&feature=player_embedded#at=67

Absolutely loving ROF at the moment. The environment graphics & overall immersion is already fantastic but those Autumn textures are stunning. Can't wait for the field mods, Breguet & ofcourse the completely overhauled, all new dynamic campaign .... Good times!!!!

[RE77ACTION]

If it was true 3D you should be able to travel 360 degrees around it from all angles.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqQ8e3vVJFY

Like I said in my post, this was probably implemented this way to improve framerates and acceptable (even not noticable) for some people. For me it's an immersion killer. ( I'm hopeless at shooting things in the air and prefer if my targets are stationary on the ground ;) )

Sorry for digressing from topic.

Cheers

I really don't have this problem shown in the video. My trees are true 3D! I don't know where the difference comes from.

[Derinahon]

Re77action, you know Skoshi is talking about Rise of Flight, right?

[RE77ACTION]

Re77action, you know Skoshi is talking about Rise of Flight, right?

Ahhh, you just lit my light...

[Blackdog_kt]

Is this the RoF forum or what?

Seriously, people are comparing CoD to a sim that was in development for quite a long time itself, has a two year head-start with its own share of problems many of which have not yet been fixed (the aircraft "dots" pop into view at 2km or so which messes up situational awareness in a fight, that's why you can have cool terrain with no pop-up, this is about to get fixed now after a whole 2+ years) and all the cool stuff everyone is harping about was developed AFTER its release by charging the community for every single individual content enhancement except the avgas needed to fly the planes :-P

If you want to make accurate comparisons maybe you should pretend that CoD ships with 4 flyables, send $7.6 to 1c for every extra flyable and wait a couple of years, or build a time machine or something, because at the moment it just amounts to dealing cards from a stacked deck and acting surprised at the outcome.

If people want to judge by double standards it's fine by me, they just shouldn't expect it to have the same value as it would if they were judging both sims by the same criteria at similar points during their life.

[Tvrdi]

Is this the RoF forum or what?

Seriously, people are comparing CoD to a sim that was in development for quite a long time itself, has a two year head-start with its own share of problems many of which have not yet been fixed (the aircraft "dots" pop into view at 2km or so which messes up situational awareness in a fight, that's why you can have cool terrain with no pop-up, this is about to get fixed now after a whole 2+ years) and all the cool stuff everyone is harping about was developed AFTER its release by charging the community for every single individual content enhancement except the avgas needed to fly the planes :-P

If you want to make accurate comparisons maybe you should pretend that CoD ships with 4 flyables, send $7.6 to 1c for every extra flyable and wait a couple of years, or build a time machine or something, because at the moment it just amounts to dealing cards from a stacked deck and acting surprised at the outcome.

If people want to judge by double standards it's fine by me, they just shouldn't expect it to have the same value as it would if they were judging both sims by the same criteria at similar points during their life.

OK lets make a bottom line....ROF is very playable on my rig...and CLOD isnt....and I have i7920@3.5Ghz, GTZ 470 twinfrozr2 OC to 750Mhz on core, 6 GIGs of RAM (resolution is 1680x1050)....yes I tried all tricks and tweaks and my richie HW and SW experince...end of the story

[Ze-Jamz]

**sets up popcorn stand**

''roll up, roll up...get yer popcorn here and grab a chair, your in for a treat''

[Tvrdi]

**sets up popcorn stand**

''roll up, roll up...get yer popcorn here and grab a chair, your in for a treat''

take the corns after US release...you will need it hehe

[Winger]

OK lets make a bottom line....ROF is very playable on my rig...and CLOD isnt....and I have i7920@3.5Ghz, GTZ 470 twinfrozr2 OC to 750Mhz on core, 6 GIGs of RAM (resolution is 1680x1050)....yes I tried all tricks and tweaks and my richie HW and SW experince...end of the story

I dont understand why. Must be something fishy with your system.
I have a I7 930@4 GHz and a GTX 480 and it runs everything at high and 1920x1200 resolution pretty smooth. 12 GB of RAM (had 6 before and there is no real diffrenc noticeable). OS is WIN 7 64 Premium.
I use 14.305 patch since the latest one makes problems in multiplayer.

Winger

[Kankkis]

No patch today, maybe next week some new words when patch is out:rolleyes:

[Tvrdi]

I dont understand why. Must be something fishy with your system.
I have a I7 930@4 GHz and a GTX 480 and it runs everything at high and 1920x1200 resolution pretty smooth. 12 GB of RAM (had 6 before and there is no real diffrenc noticeable). OS is WIN 7 64 Premium.
I use 14.305 patch since the latest one makes problems in multiplayer.

Winger

Im talking about last beta which causes slowdowns online....the beta before the last was much smoother, thats true...still even there I have slowdowns when plane in front of me catches fire (when I hit him). So I stand corrected...a bit.

btw, nothing fishy with my rig it runs other games/sims smooth as silk...including the most demanding....

[Bobb4]

RoF is a modern sim. If you want to compete against the best you at least need to come close. Clod has not. It will I am sure but currently it is falling flat. It needs the il2 community to adopt it as the official replacement to Il2 1946. It does not look like that will happen anytime soon.
So forget about it competing against RoF it cannot really compete against Il2 1946 + mods and that can only be because the developers believed their own hype. They forgot that at least 60% of il2 1946 is community made...

[Ataros]

OT:
I downloaded ROT trial version about a year ago probably when it was quite a mature sim already. It did not have any online servers I could enjoy flying. Only a handful of servers with very strange capture the flag mission as in some arcade FPS shooters. So I deleted it.

I purchased IL-2:COD about 2 months ago. It did not have any online servers I could enjoy flying. Only a handful of servers with very strange missions. But it had an engine open for endless possibilities, FMB and C# scripting. So I created an online mission I can enjoy flying not knowing anything on FMB or C# 2 only months ago.

No comments just a little story.

The mission runs on Repka DS#1 server btw. Go and check it out for yourself. The proof of pudding is in the eating :grin:

[Blackdog_kt]

OK lets make a bottom line....ROF is very playable on my rig...and CLOD isnt....and I have i7920@3.5Ghz, GTZ 470 twinfrozr2 OC to 750Mhz on core, 6 GIGs of RAM (resolution is 1680x1050)....yes I tried all tricks and tweaks and my richie HW and SW experince...end of the story

Mate, no offence but i remember you doing the exact same thing on the simHQ forums when RoF was released: initial excitement, post-release disappointment and subsequent judgment of the game based on your personal experience alone.

I still remember how it all turned around in a single day with RoF and people were posting "they fooled us, they betrayed us" and so on. It's hilarious that people have such a sort memory span sometimes :-P

I'm not saying you're not entitled to your opinion, it's welcome. But it's just YOUR opinion, it's not shared by everybody and neither is your experience with the sim.
People like different things, so they have different expectations and evaluation of CoD. If i see a lot of things i like, i can overlook some of the stuff i don't. If i don't see much of what i like, it's easier to focus on the negative stuff. That's all there is to it, there's no absolutes here.