Battle of Britain scenario vs sales ?

[GOZR]

In the past we discussed about how BOB scenario would bump the sales.. At the time we talk a lot about the overdone BOB scenarios..

In my personal taste i/m bored with it even before it was released .. but you guys what do you think of this scenario and sales.?.
- would you think an other scenario would of done better ?

Thx.

[Sauf]

You fly you a/c to the best of your ability and hopefully better than the other guy, ground/sea under you really makes no difference, and Spit v 109 is the most popular, best match up if you want to sell a game, though the original IL2 makes a lie of this, come on, be honest, how many people new the IL-2 was a WW2 a/c before the game!
I didn't, was bought up reading about spitfires hurricanes 109's and 190's, read bugger all about the eastern front as a kid, tbh I dont think it was even mentioned.

[Chivas]

The Battle of Britain is the perfect place to start the new IL-2 series. It was the first major air battle and each subsequent addon theater will be built in relative chronological order as theater overlaps allow. BOB was also a relatively small theater which is perfect for time requirements as they also had to build a new game engine. When they build the larger theaters there will be little game engine work other than tweaks.

[Vengeanze]

I know alot of americans that do not plan to transit to CloD but stay in the pacific.

I remember when IL-2 came out. We who played CFS2 back then hadn't seen anything like it and we made the transition cause it was such a great sim even though it was russian front.
When PF was released with carriers, that made it for the americans.

Unless we see some american planes in an addon (with maybe carriers in the med) then I think the sales in the US will be fair.

[Rattlehead]

Unless we see some american planes in an addon (with maybe carriers in the med) then I think the sales in the US will be fair.

I don't understand that mentality at all. Surely if you're a fan of WW2 aircraft you'll buy the game no matter what theatre it represents?

I also think BoB is a good and logical place to start. It was the first major air battle of the war, after all. A very romanticized battle in a way.

The Battle of France would have been interesting, but it was minor leagues compared to the BoB.
(Might make an interesting expansion pack though.)

[JG14_Jagr]

Its a logical place to start a new series.. the map could be used right up to 1944. The plane set can progress with improved variants right up to the surrender. Obviously for bomber missions additional maps would be needed..but this is a solid foundation..

We all know that eventually everyone wants their +25lb Spitifre with the super secret feature that never saw service and the ret want their Fw190D13..

If you started there and introduced the SpitMkIX and the Bf109G6 who would want to retrograde?

[Sauf]

I undertand your thinking, but some other countries had been fighting the war for 2 years before America was involved, are we just to ignore that? TBH I couldnt give a flying f*#k if the pacific is ignored, apparently we aussies did stuff all there anyway! MacArthur was a turd and Blamey was his dung beetle and us Aussies suffered for it. Give me the Med anytime, pity Australia hasn't got the whining power of the USA.

[II./JG1_Wilcke]

If you are a WWII air combat enthusiast you have to just jump all over CoD. Hopefully with enough interest and sales, the dev team can iron out the current problems and then put out enough modules addressing the areas of interest. Example, the North Africa Campaign as described in Fighters over the Western Desert, the Eastern Campaign from Barbarossa to the Fall of Berlin, The Channel Campaign from the end of BOB to Post Invasion Normandy. Its endless, and its up to the Devs, Air War in the Pacific could have endless modules and maps. You name it and if they put it out we are going to buy it!

I have my credit card ready and will promptly buy them all at whatever price they charge.

[wildone_106]

Its definitely running better, but its still a mess. I cant make sense of the menus, change my loadout or easily join a MP game. I keep trying and giving up in frustration. I dont think its gonna go down well in N.America.

[proton45]

I know alot of americans that do not plan to transit to CloD but stay in the pacific.

I remember when IL-2 came out. We who played CFS2 back then hadn't seen anything like it and we made the transition cause it was such a great sim even though it was russian front.
When PF was released with carriers, that made it for the americans.

Unless we see some american planes in an addon (with maybe carriers in the med) then I think the sales in the US will be fair.

I don't know of a lot of a American players who are primarily driven by feelings of nationalism...most "American" flight combat enthusiasts I know of, are driven by a sense of history (for a lack of a better label), and are interested in all the theaters of war. For the most part we are fascinated in the development of air combat technology and how the tactics of air combat have changed over time. Most American enthusiasts I know of are interested in all of the air combat "ACES", regardless of the nationality.

Here in the "States", we have a thing called the "internet"...we also have a thing called "cable television". These newfangled "high tech gizmo's" allow even the most isolated American to be exposed to all the various theaters of combat.

I think that most people here would agree that the modern air combat enthusiast, identifies with the pilots (aces) personal experiences, and are not interested in the politics or national identity of the aces. I think that this would apply to air combat enthusiasts from around the world....regardless of where are computers are plugged in.


P.S. I think that the "ME109 vs. The Spitfire", is as good as anywhere to start the new series....

[Vengeanze]

I'm not american and I totally agree that if your interest is with ww2 aircombat then CloD is a gem!!
On the other hand take a hockey fan from US that lives and breethes hockey. You would think that he preferred NHL before KHL.

Also, from a more objective pov many western products aim at the american audience to ensure sales.
Another example: How come all brittish popstars wanna break in the US? Sales and worldfame!

In short, if 1C wants BIG revenue then they'll look to please american consumers. The european betatesting is a part of this. An addon with US planes (P-51 for sure) is prolly next.

Just saying...! Hope I'm wrong but they voted for Bush two times so...! ;-)

[JG53Frankyboy]

at least for virtual bomberpilots, yes, we exist ;) , such ealry war scenarios (and the BoB is one) are much better.....the fighters are not these superhard hitting speedmonsters they become in later scenarios :D

[trumps]

i am glad they started with the BoB, would love to have seen Bof, but it really wasn't going to create the attention that the BoB does for sales. personally i start to lose interest in the airwar after 1943, nothing to do with the war it's self, just the sight of mustangs everywhere! The pacific doesn't really draw me either, again i think it's the aircraft types, and carriers. North Africa now that would be fantastic, huge variety of aircraft types, lots of oddballs, and types that really had no place being in a warzone ;)

Cheers
Craig

[Skoshi Tiger]

I undertand your thinking, but some other countries had been fighting the war for 2 years before America was involved, are we just to ignore that? TBH I couldnt give a flying f*#k if the pacific is ignored, apparently we aussies did stuff all there anyway! MacArthur was a turd and Blamey was his dung beetle and us Aussies suffered for it. Give me the Med anytime, pity Australia hasn't got the whining power of the USA.

Give me a P40 and a detailed New Guinea, SW Pacific map up through Dutch East Indies and the Celebees and as an Australian I'ld be as happy as a pig in brown stuff. Personally Im happy to wait a couple of years before our PC's have a hope of handling all the palm trees and shipping.

As an aside to our US brothers in arms, MacArthur has a fairly bad reputation over here for the way he conducted the New Guinea campaign. This in no way reflects apon the US servicemen that fought alongside the Australian troops.

After years of fighting up the north coast of NG many Australian servicemen were put out due to MacArthurs desire for making the retaking of the Philipines an American only event.

Many of our servicemen thought they were being waisted on costly mopping up opperations that had no strategic value to the war effort.

Cheers

[machoo]

I like the Pacific theatre better , so much more brutal.

[xnomad]

I really would like to have a well done defense of the Reich sim. Proper massive blocks of B-17s and me flying a rickety Bf109 G6. Climbing up to 8000 metres and more. Heart thumping wondering if there's an escort. The world down below is tiny and far away, donning the oxygen mask and climbing up towards the rows and rows of contrails slicing through the cold blue sky. Going for the head on attack and then getting bounced by the P-47 escort.

For some reason I don't like the North African front so much. I think it's to do with the desert. Most combat sims I played growing up where in the desert, eg. F16 Fighting Falcon (1987), F117 etc. As the terrain is so featureless and lacking in colour it's easy to sim and boring to fly over. Even the camo skins are boring and bland. Yes I understand you'll get some great battles in the set up and Aussies, Kiwis South Africans, Canadians, Yanks, Italians etc etc all get a look in.

[csThor]

As a starting point for a series only the BoB makes sense, regardless of the interest some folks here have in Poland, BoF or even the SCW. It's small enough speaking of map dimensions, aircraft and object pool and timeframe so this aspect doesn't pull too many development resources.

As for the discussion WRT national interests ... Is it really surprising that most people are interested in the wars their own country fought? I'm german so I give a rat's furry backside about the PTO and CBI and because of my particular interests I'm very much an Eastern Front and (because of similarities and the novelty of it) North African type of player. ETO with its standardized strategic air war leaves me cold as well but then I'm not so much into late-war überplanes. :cool:

[jibo]

honestly give em a accurate P-51D and some flyable b-17s and it will be a stampede

[addman]

I don't care which the current scenario is as long as the next one is Korea ;).

[No1 Cheese]

I undertand your thinking, but some other countries had been fighting the war for 2 years before America was involved, are we just to ignore that? TBH I couldnt give a flying f*#k if the pacific is ignored, apparently we aussies did stuff all there anyway! MacArthur was a turd and Blamey was his dung beetle and us Aussies suffered for it. Give me the Med anytime, pity Australia hasn't got the whining power of the USA.

Brilliant:grin:
I love the Aussies,fantastic bunch and bloody hard aswell.I had the chance of serving with a few and they was as good as i had always believed them to be!!!

HERE HERE

BoB is the perfect starting point as said the future releases will have us waiting in hopefully the right order.

Cheers

Cheese

[usr]

And do not forget the total lack of ground war in BoB. Perfect excuse to focus on the airborne side of things (seems to be hard enough) and not yet have a detailed dynamic campaign, elaborate ground AI and so on in the initial release.

That being said, the ironic side of me would not be fully surprised if finished, perfect ground war code for IL2-style close support missions would be sleeping inside CoD, just the kind of prioritisation mistake that would be totally 1C/MG-style ;-)

[Pbs]

Hate BOB. Hate machinguns. Want planes with BIG CANNONS, like Ki-84 from Pacific war or BF-109G(K) or La-5(7) from East front.

[Rattlehead]

Personally I'm up for it all.
North Africa for me is number one, but I'd be more than happy with whatever theatre is next.*
In the original Il-2, I loved Pacific Fighters, I loved the eastern front. I loved all of it, really.
Bring it on...

*With the possible exception of Korea. Not that I don't want to play Korea or fight in the Mig 15 or F-86, but it would seem strange going from BoB to many years forward and a totally different environment with totally different aircraft, and then later on back to WW2 for a stint in the Pacific or Russia.
In my opinion, it would totally break the 'flow' of the series.

[Kongo-Otto]

Hate BOB. Hate machinguns. Want planes with BIG CANNONS, like Ki-84 from Pacific war or BF-109G(K) or La-5(7) from East front.

Hmmm something to compensate or just lousy aiming skills? :grin:

[Wutz]

Hmmm something to compensate or just lousy aiming skills? :grin:
+1 nice one Otto! :mrgreen:
I also agree with JG53Frankyboy, all the way for the early scenarios, lots of bombers and no über planes. As to the Korean stuff I wouldn´t spend a cent on that, not the least bit interested.

[Kongo-Otto]

+1 nice one Otto! :mrgreen:
I also agree with JG53Frankyboy, all the way for the early scenarios, lots of bombers and no über planes. As to the Korean stuff I wouldn´t spend a cent on that, not the least bit interested.

Even when CoD wouldn't have the BoB scenario and would have been started with a MTO Scenario, there would be the same whining, no P-51, no P-47, why no ME-262, no cannons, no BIG Guns, just P-40 and P-38....sometimes i think that some people didn't even know that there was a war before Dec 7th 1941.