GPU still over-temping

[nigelmcelwee]

This game is seriously about to fry my $500 video card because of bad code. I keep seeing screenshots showing GPU temps in the 50s and 60s while my GPU usage remains at 99 % with temps in the low 90s. This is with my fan at almost 85 percent. Its so loud I can hear it playing through my headphones. Why in the world is my GPU temping so high when every other game doesnt get out of the low 70s?

Why is my GPU usge staying pegged at 99%?? There is absolutely NO fluctuation just a straight line. Its not my card, my fan, or my box. Every other game doesnt have this problem.

[baffa]

Have you overclocked your GPU? Or disabled power throttling if you have a GTX 580?

[CBA_Bludawg]

maybe get a aftermarket cooler for your vid card bro, doesnt make sense that only this game runs it at 90 are you 100% sure the other games you play dont run warm and what style of games are they? is this in C or F? if its F you are good to go

my card runs always 50c to 60c for every game i play from Black ops to COD

[Oldschool61]

This game is seriously about to fry my $500 video card because of bad code. I keep seeing screenshots showing GPU temps in the 50s and 60s while my GPU usage remains at 99 % with temps in the low 90s. This is with my fan at almost 85 percent. Its so loud I can hear it playing through my headphones. Why in the world is my GPU temping so high when every other game doesnt get out of the low 70s?

Why is my GPU usge staying pegged at 99%?? There is absolutely NO fluctuation just a straight line. Its not my card, my fan, or my box. Every other game doesnt have this problem.

Do you have the side on your case?? Open case if so that will allow much more fresh air into components. You can also get a small clip fan and clip to case and blow directly onto GPU

[nigelmcelwee]

maybe get a aftermarket cooler for your vid card bro, doesnt make sense that only this game runs it at 90 are you 100% sure the other games you play dont run warm and what style of games are they? is this in C or F? if its F you are good to go

my card runs always 50c to 60c for every game i play from Black ops to COD

Nope this is Celcius, not Farenheit and this is the only game that runs this hot. I have run two benchmarks with Rise of Flight and Battlefield Bad Company 2 and neither game gets abour the low 70s.

[JG14_Jagr]

This game is seriously about to fry my $500 video card because of bad code. I keep seeing screenshots showing GPU temps in the 50s and 60s while my GPU usage remains at 99 % with temps in the low 90s. This is with my fan at almost 85 percent. Its so loud I can hear it playing through my headphones. Why in the world is my GPU temping so high when every other game doesnt get out of the low 70s?

Why is my GPU usge staying pegged at 99%?? There is absolutely NO fluctuation just a straight line. Its not my card, my fan, or my box. Every other game doesnt have this problem.

Ok, first of all "bad code" doesn't "fry your video card" You didn't post any specs, but mine is an ATI 6970 and the fan runs so low in COD I cannot hear it.. How long have you had the card? There are other games out there that are MORE GPU intensive than COD.If you card is in the low 70's for normal use something is not right, doesn't sound like the cooler is working properly..

[335th_GRAthos]

This game is seriously about to fry my $500 video card because of bad code. I keep seeing screenshots showing GPU temps in the 50s and 60s while my GPU usage remains at 99 % with temps in the low 90s. This is with my fan at almost 85 percent. Its so loud I can hear it playing through my headphones. Why in the world is my GPU temping so high when every other game doesnt get out of the low 70s?

Why is my GPU usge staying pegged at 99%?? There is absolutely NO fluctuation just a straight line. Its not my card, my fan, or my box. Every other game doesnt have this problem.

#1. At least you could bother to tell us what is your video card. OK you are boasting you paid $500 for it so it narrows down the list but you are still not there...

#2. Go to Google and find out what is the thermal limit of your videocard.

#3. Seeing screenshots of GPUs in the 50s and 60s actually means that the game does not fry anything, YOUR CONFIGURATION has the problem! (otherwise everybody's GPU would be frying, right?)

#4. 99% GPU usage means that your GPU is working. At least something is done; Had it been in the 50% you would be posting "THIS GAME DOES NOT USE MY GPU CARD"

#5. If you can hear the sound of the fan while wearing your headphones then you either have lousy headphones or you spent the $500 on the wrong card...

#6. Having worked on points 1-5 the next best thing is to work a bit on the cooling of your PC: Is your card properly "aired" Some people stuck their cards between other cards and the fan does not get proper air to cool the system.
Do you have a fan on the chassis (low) throwing air inside the case towards the GPU?

Happy Flying!

[nigelmcelwee]

#1. At least you could bother to tell us what is your video card. OK you are boasting you paid $500 for it so it narrows down the list but you are still not there...

#2. Go to Google and find out what is the thermal limit of your videocard.

#3. Seeing screenshots of GPUs in the 50s and 60s actually means that the game does not fry anything, YOUR CONFIGURATION has the problem! (otherwise everybody's GPU would be frying, right?)

#4. 99% GPU usage means that your GPU is working. At least something is done; Had it been in the 50% you would be posting "THIS GAME DOES NOT USE MY GPU CARD"

#5. If you can hear the sound of the fan while wearing your headphones then you either have lousy headphones or you spent the $500 on the wrong card...

#6. Having worked on points 1-5 the next best thing is to work a bit on the cooling of your PC: Is your card properly "aired" Some people stuck their cards between other cards and the fan does not get proper air to cool the system.
Do you have a fan on the chassis (low) throwing air inside the case towards the GPU?

Happy Flying!

Sorry guys I forgot to do my sig in theses forums. I usually post on SIMHQ. Ok here are my specs:

EVGA X58 Classified board
Intel Core i7 975 Extreme Edition @ 4.2 ghz
Megahalems Rev. B Intel CPU Cooler
PNY GTX 580 263.09 WHQL
6 GB Corsair DDR3 oc'ed with xmp 1.2 profile
Obsidian Series 800D ATX Gaming Case
Samsung 24.6" @1920x1080

My GPU runs at about 40 Celcius normal...under a load in Rise of Flight, WOP, Call of Duty, FSX, DCS A10, DCS Black Shark, or BFBC2 it runs at about 70 celcius. I can tell you, my case is not the problem. My cooling is not the problem. My GPU is not the problem. I have three, yes three extra cooling fans in the case. two blowing on my CPU and my GFX card, and one pulling hot air out. This is the ONLY game where temps go above the mid 70s. I even ran Rise of Flight for three hours the other night and checked and not once did my card peak above 73 celcius under load.

My headphones arent the problem either. Have you ever heard a GTX 580 fan running at above 4000 RPM?? Its insanely loud. THe auto fan control is running this high to keep the GPU from frying.

So saying that my configuration, oh wait im sorry..let me say it like you did, MY CONFIGURATION is the problem is quite a stretch considering that my configuration seems to work in every other single game I play, not to mention every other game I dont play anymore such as IL2-1946, SH4, Mafia II, Call of Duty, Medal of Honor,...shall I continue the list?

[baffa]

I am a Gigabyte GTX 580 owner since 2 weeks. Things run really hot here aswell but it tops out at ~83C with 60-65% fanspeed after I rearranged my case fans.

I tried to figure out what caused the 99% usage but the only thing i noticed was the more options I played with the more I filled up my video ram.. This game is like running furmark or something!

[JumpingHubert]

I tried to figure out what caused the 99% usage but ...if you want to get for example 50% gpu-load you will get half of framerate. Do you understand now?

[Oldschool61]

Sorry guys I forgot to do my sig in theses forums. I usually post on SIMHQ. Ok here are my specs:

EVGA X58 Classified board
Intel Core i7 975 Extreme Edition @ 4.2 ghz
Megahalems Rev. B Intel CPU Cooler
PNY GTX 580 263.09 WHQL
6 GB Corsair DDR3 oc'ed with xmp 1.2 profile
Obsidian Series 800D ATX Gaming Case
Samsung 24.6" @1920x1080

My GPU runs at about 40 Celcius normal...under a load in Rise of Flight, WOP, Call of Duty, FSX, DCS A10, DCS Black Shark, or BFBC2 it runs at about 70 celcius. I can tell you, my case is not the problem. My cooling is not the problem. My GPU is not the problem. I have three, yes three extra cooling fans in the case. two blowing on my CPU and my GFX card, and one pulling hot air out. This is the ONLY game where temps go above the mid 70s. I even ran Rise of Flight for three hours the other night and checked and not once did my card peak above 73 celcius under load.

My headphones arent the problem either. Have you ever heard a GTX 580 fan running at above 4000 RPM?? Its insanely loud. THe auto fan control is running this high to keep the GPU from frying.

So saying that my configuration, oh wait im sorry..let me say it like you did, MY CONFIGURATION is the problem is quite a stretch considering that my configuration seems to work in every other single game I play, not to mention every other game I dont play anymore such as IL2-1946, SH4, Mafia II, Call of Duty, Medal of Honor,...shall I continue the list?

Maybe you need a bigger air inlet!! Try cutting a 5 inch circle for a large fan to draw more air in. the internal fans are only blowing whatever your case air temp is unless you have cut holes and mounted fans drawing air from outside the case.

[nigelmcelwee]

if you want to get for example 50% gpu-load you will get half of framerate. Do you understand now?

I dont know if it works quite like that however with ROF on max settings I see GPU usage fluctuate between 40-70 percent and I stay at my vsync lock of 60 FPS regardless.

[b101uk]

try some different Nvidia drivers like the 270.51 beta or the 270.61 WHQL which are reportedly much better/more efficient for 500 series GPU and work like a dream on my GTX275 unlike any of the 260 series drivers

see: www.nvidia.com - Driver Download - search (http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us)

remover one of the sides from your PC case to see if temperatures stay the same under load, if its then >5C cooler with the side off then you have a cooling problem perhaps with fan flows working agenised each other given if you have 2 fans blowing in you will actually have 3 fans sucking out (PSU, GPU, and 1 case fan) thus if the case fan & PSU fan are powerful then they will reduce flow from the GPU fan exhaust as the case will be in partial slight vacuum when it should at the very least match outside pressure or be a slight positive case pressure.

Likewise if you haven’t thought about air flow properly the intake for the GPU could be sheltered from the cool air flow in the case.

FYI: the Maximum GTX580 Temperature is 97 C vs. the 105C of the 200 & 400 series GPU

[Thee_oddball]

I have a ATI 5750 and is over clocked to 820/1335 and when playing CLOD my temp is 73C and the GPU is a 100% with the fan on auto, but the side of my case is open and there is nothing next to mt vid card.

S!

[335th_GRAthos]

#1 Nvidia drivers like the 270.51 beta or the 270.61 WHQL

#2 remove one of the sides from your PC case to see if temperatures stay the same under load, if its then >5C cooler with the side off then you have a cooling problem perhaps with fan flows working agenised each other given if you have 2 fans blowing in you will actually have 3 fans sucking out (PSU, GPU, and 1 case fan) thus if the case fan & PSU fan are powerful then they will reduce flow from the GPU fan exhaust as the case will be in partial slight vacuum when it should at the very least match outside pressure or be a slight positive case pressure.

Likewise if you haven’t thought about air flow properly the intake for the GPU could be sheltered from the cool air flow in the case.

#3 Maximum GTX580 Temperature is 97 C



b101uk said it all :-)

Especially point 2 is very serious and usually underestimated. It does not matter how many fans you put in but how the air flow inside yor case is working.
I have bigger problems as I have two GPUs usually the first blocking the air intake of the second and both of them blocking the cooler of the chipset on the mobo.
In the past I used to watercool the mobo chipset with a very special thin chipblock cooler.
(the arrival of tri-SLI mobos solved my problems by increasing the spacing between two GPUs).
I have a special case with perforated panels on all sides, big fans on top sucking air out of the case and I have a big fan on the side panel throwing air inside, just above the two fans of my GPUs. (because of this setup, if I remove the side panel, the temperature of my GPUs will actually increase; This is proof that the airfow inside my case is proper and performing). Oh! And get all cables to the side and out of the airflow way (and bind them together).
Another tip is to watch the temperature of your Hard disk (unless if you have SSD). It will give you an indication about how hot your case is getting.

And sorry, I have no 580 (sigh) I have two 570 and I do not hear anything with or without hedphones - although, at your temperature it is to no surprise that the fans have to work at top speed in order to keep the temperature as low as possible.

Besides all this, I must admit you 99% all the time is not normal !
This is a 3840x screenshot from my rig (patch 14.xxxx) the GPU-Z values show temp, gpu % and RAM used
My GPU rarely goes up to 95%
Probably the new drivers will solve the problem otherwise lower te resolution of the game and see if this changes the GPU utilisation%
http://www.stoimenos.com/temp/CoD/CoD_3840x1024_1280x1024_beta14_CPUload1.jpg

Good luck and happy flying!

[baffa]

if you want to get for example 50% gpu-load you will get half of framerate. Do you understand now?

Don't be silly :) Obviously something is wrong here, no game should never have a constant max load.

Show me any game in the World that have this exact behaviour as we have here.

[JumpingHubert]

it is a bit silly to think constant max load is an exception in games. The high temp comes from heavy usage of all gpu ressources, not primarily from high gpu-load. There is a difference. Its wrong to discuss the high temp problem as a bug of the game..

[senseispcc]

Do you have the side on your case?? Open case if so that will allow much more fresh air into components. You can also get a small clip fan and clip to case and blow directly onto GPU

It is better to chase the case and chose one with a good ventilator in the side of it where the graphic card(s) is/are installed. An open case is an invitation for trouble because of the quantity of dust going in and there is nothing to stop it. But if you do not have the money for it than by cleaning once a week, remove the inside dust, then the removal of the side panel and maybe putting next to it a home big ventilator why not!

[pchaxor]

Seeing only ~60c max temp on my Nvidia 465SC with fans at 65%.
Clearly something wrong with your rig m8. Would clean the gpu and add some fans.
Compare your case to this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811156063 (cant beat this case for the money btw)

S`

[nigelmcelwee]

Maybe you need a bigger air inlet!! Try cutting a 5 inch circle for a large fan to draw more air in. the internal fans are only blowing whatever your case air temp is unless you have cut holes and mounted fans drawing air from outside the case.

I dont think thats the issue either. I have an obsidian gaming case. This thing has a giant circular mesh inlet on the top of the case about 15 inches long and 5 inches wide for extra air. Thats 75 square inches of extra air inlet to cool my equipment. Just gotta be careful not to spill anything on the case!

[335th_GRAthos]

I dont think thats the issue either. I have an obsidian gaming case. This thing has a giant circular mesh inlet on the top of the case about 15 inches long and 5 inches wide for extra air. Thats 75 square inches of extra air inlet to cool my equipment. Just gotta be careful not to spill anything on the case!

He, he, now you are on the grill.... PHOTOS please !

And do not tell it is the one with the PSU at the bottom (=sucking air out from the bottom of the case) and the big fun from the top (=sucking air out from the top of the case) ?
Great stuff, so, where does the cool air from outside get inside the case?
I see a bigger airflow chalenge than you think... ;-)

Make your life simpler, get a thermometer and place it near the air fan of your 580GTX. Look at the air temperature your GPU cooler is taking in order to cool down your GPU.
If it is too high then this is the start of te things to fix.

The other remains your 99% which hopefully will be fixed by your new NV drivers.


Good luck!

[swiss]

He, he, now you are on the grill.... PHOTOS please !

And do not tell it is the one with the PSU at the bottom (=sucking air out from the bottom of the case) and the big fun from the top (=sucking air out from the top of the case) ?
Great stuff, so, where does the cool air from outside get inside the case?
I see a bigger airflow chalenge than you think... ;-)

Make your life simpler, get a thermometer and place it near the air fan of your 580GTX. Look at the air temperature your GPU cooler is taking in order to cool down your GPU.
If it is too high then this is the start of te things to fix.

The other remains your 99% which hopefully will be fixed by your new NV drivers.


Good luck!


I'm not sure I can quite follow you.
Why would a PSU at the bottom blow cool air, from within the case, out?
http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/6233/corsaircorsair600tupdat.jpg (http://img861.imageshack.us/i/corsaircorsair600tupdat.jpg/)

[335th_GRAthos]

If this is your setup then you should be lucky that your GPUs are only at 90°C !
They should be melting by now!!!!!
Very bad unfortunately.

Notice where the fans of the GPU are and try to think how cool air from the outside of the case, will manage to reach that area. It will not because the two big fans down and up will channel the air flow towards them NOT towards the centre of the case where the GPU fans are.

You need to put a fan on the side panel, just there where the GPU fans are, pushing air into them. If I manage, I will find a picture of my old rig to show you what I mean.
Edit... got one picture, it is a bit old (from 2006, it is two 7900GTX on the picture) but it shows what I mean: A big fan (slow rotating) throwing air directly into the fans of the GPU (the reason for this setup was to throw air to the chipset fan which can hardly be seen between the two GPUs which was not effective enough and had to be watercooled, but that is another story).
http://www.stoimenos.com/temp/CoD/7900GTX_2.JPG

It is my opinion (and you do not need to pay respect to it), this case is trouble...

Anyway, you can only check with a thermometer in the area of the GPUs all the rest is pure speculation. Get one of those house thermometers with a small sensor for the outside the house temperature. You put the small sensor near your GPUs and you can easily measure the temparature from the display outside.

Lot's of fun!

[JumpingHubert]

I dont think thats the issue either. I have an obsidian gaming case. This thing has a giant circular mesh inlet on the top of the case about 15 inches long and 5 inches wide for extra air. Thats 75 square inches of extra air inlet to cool my equipment. Just gotta be careful not to spill anything on the case!
I don´t understand whats the problem: you have high temps in COD. So you have to make better cooling (change heat paste of gpu or add a fan to your card or whatever) or play another game. There are no other alternatives. Logic. Why this thread is growing and growing....stupid.

[nigelmcelwee]

If this is your setup then you should be lucky that your GPUs are only at 90°C !
They should be melting by now!!!!!
Very bad unfortunately.

Notice where the fans of the GPU are and try to think how cool air from the outside of the case, will manage to reach that area. It will not because the two big fans down and up will channel the air flow towards them NOT towards the centre of the case where the GPU fans are.

You need to put a fan on the side panel, just there where the GPU fans are, pushing air into them. If I manage, I will find a picture of my old rig to show you what I mean.
Edit... got one picture, it is a bit old (from 2006, it is two 7900GTX on the picture) but it shows what I mean: A big fan (slow rotating) throwing air directly into the fans of the GPU (the reason for this setup was to throw air to the chipset fan which can hardly be seen between the two GPUs which was not effective enough and had to be watercooled, but that is another story).
http://www.stoimenos.com/temp/CoD/7900GTX_2.JPG

It is my opinion (and you do not need to pay respect to it), this case is trouble...

Anyway, you can only check with a thermometer in the area of the GPUs all the rest is pure speculation. Get one of those house thermometers with a small sensor for the outside the house temperature. You put the small sensor near your GPUs and you can easily measure the temparature from the display outside.

Lot's of fun!

Thats an interesting setup you have there. I am going to experiment and try to shave off around 10 celcius or more with all these suggestions. Those are some great ideas guys. I have never had a cooling issue before but maybe this game has unearthed a problem I wasnt aware I had. Perhaps 40-50 degrees celcius with no load is a tad too hot for the GPU. I am going to do some fan experimenting!!

[swiss]

If this is your setup then you should be lucky that your GPUs are only at 90°C !


Mine?

No, first pic of the mentioned Corsair case on google.
I just checked, it does indeed lack any side vents.
Odd - given the fact it's a freakin' Corsair.

[CBA_Bludawg]

you need to get a great case mate not good but GREAT.

i have 6 gaming pc's in my house two retired as media servers hooked up to my flat screens. i use only 2 cases for all of them and i havent found a case that can run as cool as these do yet for the price.

my rig case*** Antec DF-85
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129087&cm_re=antec_df-85-_-11-129-087-_-Product

others in my house use*** Coolermaster 932
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119160&cm_re=cooler_master_haf_932-_-11-119-160-_-Product

both are super quiet and run everything cool

my servers on my drilling rigs run like this and they are in extreme heat and dirt dust 24/7 Front sucks in cool air, top blows out heat
rear blows out heat, side blows out as well. in front of the front fans inside the case i have another blowing right onto the vid cards and mob. works perfectly!!!

[335th_GRAthos]

others in my house use*** Coolermaster 932
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119160&cm_re=cooler_master_haf_932-_-11-119-160-_-Product


Now this is what I call a BIG SIDE FAN ! :-O


@Swiss: sorry, I thought it was a pic of nigelmcelwee's rig! Three GPUs inside!

@nigelmcelwee: It will definitively solve some of your issues but nevertheless, it is not normal that your GPU works 99% all time. My 570 works at 40% above sea, above ground 70%-90% (all numbers as per GPU-Z) so, if you have 99% all time something is not right...
You never mentioned the anylysis you fly at though...

Lot's of fun!

~S~

[Thee_oddball]

Don't be silly :) Obviously something is wrong here, no game should never have a constant max load.

Show me any game in the World that have this exact behaviour as we have here.
so your saying that even though i have my card over clocked as far as it can be that it still should not be at %100 load on the GPU?

[swiss]

so your saying that even though i have my card over clocked as far as it can be that it still should not be at %100 load on the GPU?

Wtf, are you raaid?

Where's the connection between an OC'd GPU and the load applied by a game?

[335th_GRAthos]

OK Nigelmcelwee, last time I told you
@nigelmcelwee: It will definitively solve some of your issues but nevertheless, it is not normal that your GPU works 99% all time.
My 570 works at 40% above sea, above ground 70%-90% (all numbers as per GPU-Z) so, if you have 99% all time something is not right...
Now with SLI somewhat working (it is a fix, not an official solution) I start seeing GPU at 99% and temperatures going up to 88°C
I admit I got a bit worried.... ;)

SLI fix is at: http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=23199

(Did not have time to make a long test and see where the temperature stabilised)
EDIT: After some tests, my GPU temperature remains constant 88°C this is good enough and within specs so no worries.
But, if I open the case and the side fan does not push fresh air to the GPUs' fans, temp will jump above 93° immediately!
So streamlining the fresh air inside your case guys, especially if you run SLI or triple-SLI configurations will be something to cautiously watch guys!

3840x1024 desktop, 3072x1024 game, far right my GPUs % and temp
http://www.stoimenos.com/temp/CoD/CoD_3840x1024_3072x1024_1.jpg

3840x1024 desktop, 3072x1024 game, far right my GPUs % and temp
http://www.stoimenos.com/temp/CoD/CoD_3840x1024_3072x1024_2.jpg



~S~


PS. Luthier, please give us back the Use3Renders=1 command so that all of us with three monitors can enjoy some decent gaming!!!!!

[Derinahon]

Maybe not with the anomaly that is CoD, but without vsync the GPU should work at 100% to pump out as many frames per second possible.

The OP could try enabling Vsync to limit his FPS, that might give the GPU a break. Otherwise, take everyone's advice and your rig should look something like this:


http://www.pclaunches.com/entry_images/1107/24/fan_casemod-thumb-450x231.jpg

lol :-P

[_79_dev]

~S~

I like that photo, that looks like perfect rig for "flying" simulator, imagine having prop pitch for all those fans...

[Doc_uk]

Drag your fridge into room were computer is, take door of fridge put computer inside.... solved :)