So how 'bout that Su26 hu?

[Kakashi]

I mean a couple days before release it was still said on a couple forums That we would get a Su26. (pretty sure anyway that I've seen it on forums with "su26 as a bonus plane" from maddox anywhere from end of february to march 22nd.)

But since the game is out a few people asked about it on forums but without any answers as to why it wasn't there anymore?
There was no official announcement either about why it was removed.

So can we get an answer about this from someone who KNOWS? It would be greatly appreciated, thanks if you guys take the time to give me an answer!

[rollnloop]

Easy one: 1C put it out just before release, and want to sell it later as a "special edition".

[Raggz]

I don't think anyone is working on any addons atm. The whole team is working on fixes for the game.

[Kakashi]

Easy one: 1C put it out just before release, and want to sell it later as a "special edition".

mmmm Are you sure of this? Could you try and remember where you saw that? So I can try and look for it?

BTW: thanks for taking the time to answer that.

[Jaws2002]

Easy one: 1C put it out just before release, and want to sell it later as a "special edition".

+1.

Oleg's team is squashed between two greedy publishers.:rolleyes:

Nobody can survive this One-Two knockout combo.:(

[Kakashi]

bump

[Ali Fish]

+1
PCG: There’s a Su-26 amongst the flyables. How did this modern aerobatics plane end-up in the sim?

ILYA: We thought it would be a great way to prove the fidelity of our flight model. Not too many people can get behind the controls of a Heinkel and say “Yes, this handles just like the real thing.”. There are a lot of people who fly the Su-26 or similar aerobatics planes. Besides, a few of our modellers actually worked for Sukhoi back in the day, and one of them was even a member of the Su-26 design team. He designed the landing gear for the real thing, and then recreated it for us!

OLEG: Another reason we included the Su-26 is pilots from real aerobatic teams requested it. They used Il-2 for the training in the past. In Cliffs of Dover they can fly a real sport plane.
pretty much, alot of my interest in IL2 was derived from the Fact. The inclusion of the SU26 and the broad scope it would provide to this sim. Damnit i even posted at other flightsim developers forums suggesting that incorporating a similar idea would really broaden the scope of there software too.

sadly its not there, it took me aslong as it took to download the game to realise it wasnt included. Very sad. I certainly could not find any such official statement. but then official statements are hard to come buy on an official forum for an officially released game by the official owner and developer. Im getting officially tired now 1C. Do you care enough to communicate properly ? We understand the various teething problems associated but please inform us adequetly.

please 1c take a day off your hectic schedules. have some good times and spend an hour or two "not" keeping us in the dark. re format the forums, tidy it up, lay down the rules and lets proceed properly where this lovely lovely work of flightsim art is concerned.

EDIT : that Su-26 as a freebie would be very welcomed indeed. as well as being a good customer relations marketing idea. i know how cheeky it is to suggest that, but that is my expectation. You publicly touted it as content. not me. And if its payware upon principle im not buying it. i can live without it, and if that is so. then i'll sack this game instantly. Im patient and understanding which after all is what you are counting on right now.

[Hecke]

it was a marketing gag, simple as that.

[Kakashi]

it was a marketing gag, simple as that.

It was announcened up to March 24th by Oleg or an official that it was still planned on being in the game, only a few people knew it wasn't there anymore. no official statement. at this point its not a marketing gag anymore, it's false publicity.

But if they took it out temporarily and plan on putting it back in after they sorted out the game then no problem... It would be sad if they make us pay for it in a future extension... But I could go with that sadly enough... But if they just flat out give it up and never plan on implementing it it would really be back stabbing a select number of the il2 community imho.

Meanwhile I will not jump to any conclusions right now but I would like to have a dev or Luthier give me a simple answer:

-Will the Su26 ever be in this game?

[jibo]

Luthier give me a simple answer:

-Will the Su26 ever be in this game?

he said supayr ultra bonusom

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=67866&p=1573089&viewfull=1#post1573089

[Kakashi]

I'm afraid my Russian's a little wee bit rusty xD hum... Could you be a little more specific on what he told you about it? And did he told you whatever he told you after or before the game release?

[scissorss]

I'm afraid my Russian's a little wee bit rusty xD hum... Could you be a little more specific on what he told you about it? And did he told you whatever he told you after or before the game release?

Tanslated from google:

About Oleg can say is Oleg.

Of Su-26, he will have super ultra special bonus, not yet announced by the English-speaking edishne game. About the Russian market still can not say, but it certainly can not promise that we do not plan to sell it, or any other aircraft at a time.

[Ali Fish]

edit: removed. theres just no point in pretending we are not getting shafted for this su26.

[Kakashi]

Tanslated from google:

About Oleg can say is Oleg.

Of Su-26, he will have super ultra special bonus, not yet announced by the English-speaking edishne game. About the Russian market still can not say, but it certainly can not promise that we do not plan to sell it, or any other aircraft at a time.

Thanks scissors, and this message you translated from google was the 25th of Mars? Well anyways.... I guess I now know why he called it a super bonus... (Gotta pay for it xD)
Mmmm Well if we do have to pay for it, frankly don't care :D I d soooo get it !!! :grin:

[Ali Fish]

lol. Unbelievable. This is exactly why they get away with these tactics.

[Kakashi]

lol. Unbelievable. This is exactly why they get away with these tactics.

Yep but let's face it.... Despite this major back stabbing... and broke promise (Su26 was supposed to be a BONUS, not something we pay for, that was the original promise) They are still gonna be the only ones offering a Su26 in a good looking new sim with the best flight models....

Quite frankly any Flight simulator's extra 300 are sooooooo UNREALISTIC it's not even funny!!! Before you guys ask: no I never flew one... but looking at videos online with in flight cameras (especially those where you see the controls) you can definately tell that FS's extras are unreal...

Anyways... Can Luthier or a team member confirm all that please?!

[JG52Uther]

Pay for something that was supposed to be in CoD,and taken out at the last minute?
I don't think so...

[shrink]

The Bablefish translation seems to put a different spin on the "selling extra planes" part. :confused:
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sukhoi.ru%2Fforum%2Fshowthr ead.php%3Ft%3D67866%26p%3D1573089%26viewfull%3D1%2 3post1573089&lp=ru_en&btnTrUrl=Translate

"Oleg can say only about Oleg.

About Su-26, he will be super- ultra [bonusom] in special, yet not declared English-language [edishne] of game. Yet I cannot say about the Russian market, but accurately I can promise, that we do not plan to sell it or any other aircraft separately."

Edit:
On further reflection it looks af if us english language folks will indeed get the shaft. They plan on not selling any aircraft separately in Russia only. }:/ GRRRRR.

Who knows????? AN english (real english please) ;) update on the issue would be nice.

[shrink]

The plot thickens........

From Olegs youtube page 4/20/11........



@robin00795 "Su-26 is in tunings now. For the release it wasn't tuned like it should.

How it will be distrbuted then in add-on or as a separate stand alone version with htis plane I don't know. It depending of 1c/publisher decision. My own opinion about this - should be free add-on."

OlegMaddox48 minutes ago

[IceFire]

I'll be mighty pissed if they go to per-plane charging. I hate that model and I would not support it.

I would be OK (not super happy as it was said to be in the game before) if it arrived later as part of a expansion package featuring a collection of new content.

[Kakashi]

The plot thickens........

From Olegs youtube page 4/20/11........



@robin00795 "Su-26 is in tunings now. For the release it wasn't tuned like it should.

How it will be distrbuted then in add-on or as a separate stand alone version with htis plane I don't know. It depending of 1c/publisher decision. My own opinion about this - should be free add-on."

OlegMaddox48 minutes ago

I sure hope that they will bring it back in the game for free, like it should have been. Personally don't mind the wait for it if they said it wasn't "tuned right". They knew they would have gotten complaints about it so they took it out (temporarily I hope) to sort it out and bring it back in fixed (Again I hope).

It would be nice if Luthier or his team would lighten us up on this matter though, wouldn't it?

[ParaB]

Pay for something that was supposed to be in CoD,and taken out at the last minute?
I don't think so...

/This.

..."well, we released a buggy and unfinished product but as a reward you can now PAY to get content that should've been in the game in the 1st place".

Now that would be just the icing on the cake.

[whatnot]

/This.

..."well, we released a buggy and unfinished product but as a reward you can now PAY to get content that should've been in the game in the 1st place".

Now that would be just the icing on the cake.

I tend to agree. If the initial release would have been about where the title will be in 2-4 weeks from now I would have been ok paying extra for the 300. With all the fuzz and challenges we've experienced I would just give in the extra plane for the throuble.

But charging for extra content after that would be ok in my books.

[Kakashi]

/This.

..."well, we released a buggy and unfinished product but as a reward you can now PAY to get content that should've been in the game in the 1st place".

Now that would be just the icing on the cake.

LOL It sounds real nice when you put it like that sir :D !!!!!

[ParaB]

Hey, they could include a Steam achievement called "fool me twice".

But I'm just kidding. I'm sure we'll get the Su26 in a free patch.

[Faucon]

Still waiting for the Su26 (in fact, I buy the game only for it)... :rolleyes:

[furbs]

I think Oleg took the SU-26 with him.

[Allons!]

Yesterday @ the Syndiacte server i met a Su26 asking the way to Moscow Airport. As by 1940 we havent been in war i politely redirected them 090° skipping the re-question wich airport specifically.. :grin:

[Ali Fish]

I think Oleg took the SU-26 with him.

and what else did he take with him ?, sound system he was apparently proud of (read in an OLeg interview) anything else ? funny how we have a 70% game complete with placeholders after the long developments, funy funy funny. but not so funny :(

[furbs]

manable AA guns.

[Ali Fish]

/rant on
All this is actually Oleg's fault im convinced. ive heard some right wicked stories when women have there new born babies taken away from them, so what has happened within oleg's psychi you reckon ?. i believe all this that we "endure" is the fault of OM. but what happened to OM is not his fault i conclude. Atleast he communicated and created the depth of understanding and hype around the title. Sadly for him it was a waste of time. i believe he cared just enough to understand our role in all this.

This is what im deeply sad about. WE HAVE NO ROLE IN THIS ANYMORE ! WE HAVE NO SAY, WE HAVE NO RELATIONSHIP WITH THE DEVELOPERS ANYMORE ! you know we have had the comfortable carpet ripped from beneath our feet. What is the point. Honestly i'd rather live a lie in the want for the next IL2, id rather Oleg was here. "Without Oleg its just another game" just like what a Geoff crammond racing sim would have been like without geoff crammond.
And on that bomb shell.
/rant off

[ElAurens]

All the missing content is due to 1C's actions, not Oleg's.

1C is the bad guy here.

Stop trying to lay this at the foot of Oleg, why do you think he left anyway?

[Ataros]

1C covers probably not more than 10-20% of the development budget as a publisher for Russia only. The rest was financed by UBI which probably had more influence on decisions.

[Ali Fish]

i wasnt laying the blame at olegs feet btw. my point being things are beyond a simple mess anymore. This really is screwed up. We do not know who to blame. Its a fact they are all at fault.

[VO101_Tom]

why do you think he left anyway?
I read a gossip, he has family troubles. His son very ill.

[BigPickle]

i wasnt laying the blame at olegs feet btw. my point being things are beyond a simple mess anymore. This really is screwed up.

Yup your right mate, it is screwed up blatently. But i dont think Oleg is to blame, i think that rests firmly of the shoulders of the people who perhaps forced him out, by all the snippets we have read it seems that leaving was not by choice.

Maybe thats the truth of why the game is the way it is, filter be damned we already know it was an excuse.
Maybe Oleg really did take his personal work with him because of the conditions of his leaving? I think If, and I mean If, how it appears to me is true, I wouldnt leave em anything.

[Ali Fish]

Maybe Oleg really did take his personal work with him because of the conditions of his leaving.

Aye ! you dont take someones baby away and not expect repurcussions. maybe replace repurcussions with consequences given the artistic nature of the assets at hand.

[BigPickle]

Well what makes this theory feel right for me is Oleg said he was very pleased with the Binural sound and as an example of this we saw an early alpha E3 Video with Binural Sound, he leaves because of what ever bad blood and it goes with him, and we get a makeshift placeholder disaster that we have now. Makes sense to me.

[kendo65]

I have to laugh that when someone posts wild speculation in this forum after a couple of further posts it all hardens into incontrovertible fact.

We're currently two steps away from constructing the latest conspiracy theory.

Back on topic: I too was very disappointed not to get the Su26. It would have given a nice change of pace and opened up some different possibilities.

[Faucon]

Controls in COD are much much better than IL2 for aerobatics.
We were finally about to get a very good aerobatic simulator, the only one. What a waste...


Where is the Su26 ?!

We are still waiting it and it's boring, seriously boring.

[ATAG_Bliss]

I want it released just so I can watch your guy's movies again!

[Faucon]

This time I wont give up until we get clear and real informations about it.

[Faucon]

up

[Ataros]

I think 1st the game FM will be fine-tuned to fix current issues.

Only then Su-26 FM will be fine tuned to perform correctly in that game FM and tested.

Only then a decision would be made when and how to release it.

Oleg's personal opinion as indicated on Youtube was that it should be free.

Ilya wrote in March that they want to make it a bonus (free) to a not-yet-announced international edition.

I think many thing have changed since then.

[hiro]

they'll give it to us once the heat of the game issues is cooled and the pacific campaign is out and everyone is wondering why Hrumman planes or the "World War II Navy Assault Plane" aren't in the first release and the focus is on that.

Well at least the Su-26 will have "true to life prop action"