OT: a fair few people have played IL2 since the beginning...

[mcler002]

I myself have played il2 almost from the beginning but does anyone remember playing a game called airways or airwars? Was around windowns 95 time!! Such a big game at its time! Use to love playing it as you could fly and also drive everything!!!

If I find the disc, ill confirm name!

Cheers

[Bryan21cag]

I myself have played il2 almost from the beginning but does anyone remember playing a game called airways or airwars? Was around windowns 95 time!! Such a big game at its time! Use to love playing it as you could fly and also drive everything!!!

If I find the disc, ill confirm name!

Cheers


dont recall this one:)

list of flight sims i played in order :)

red baron
1942 pacific air war
1942 pacific air war gold
chuck yeagers air combat
European Air War
Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator
IL2
IL2COD

man this brings back memories lol thanks for the trip hope you figure out which game your looking for.

[jibo]

and who played war eagles on 8086 ?
it was a 100% slide show, the deflection was in fact the lag, people have forgotten, the meaning of unplayable

[Strike]

lol. I was 5 years old when I first played MicroProse's "Dogfight: 80 years of aerial warfare"

here go to 0:25 for epic intro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g9Tu52wn8k


And after watching... WE complain about CloD stuttering!?!?!?!?!

Oh boy the nostalgia, and that I even remember playing this is amazing. And guess what? My favourite period was easily World War II ;)

Also played F29 Retaliator :P

[sg1221]

I played Air Warrior online back in the 90s

sg

[Sauf]

I played Air Warrior online back in the 90s

sg

LOL "back" in the 90's! young whipper snapper :grin:

[15JG52_Brauer]

I played airwarrior way back on a tinpot modem - but I think you are refering to European Air War - which was great fun - started playing that just before I graduated to IL2 - I was in JZG back then and remember the good old days of IL2 FB VEF,VWF(I think that was it - JZG Kaiser was #1 ranked pilot there and had a bounty on his head - but an ai got him in the end lol).

[BadAim]

I only bought my first computer in 1998, so I started with CFS1 (it was the first game I bought) EAW, then CFS2 followed, but when IL2 came along I never looked back (as far as Flight sims go).

[doghous3]

I think my earliest fond memory of flight 'sims' was "Gunship".. on the ZX Spectrum. lol

I remember ace of aces too, my mate had it on a Vic20.

How things change.

[mcler002]

I played Air Warrior online back in the 90s

sg

Thats the one!

I had 2 and 3... i dont recall how we got them, i think they was part of a package when we had our first "family" pc back in the 90's...

We also got a USAF game too... was awesome!

link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Warrior

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/items/?_nkw=Air+Warrior+II&_sacat=&_ex_kw=&_mPrRngCbx=1&_udlo=&_udhi=&_sop=&_fpos=&_fspt=1&_sadis=&LH_CAds=&satitle=Air+Warrior+II - I hope i still have my copies somewhere now!!! lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh1JdNt0uwA - BEST GAME INTRO EVER!

[adonys]

I've also played Air Warrior Online back then, together with all the rest of them (AoP, AoE, 1942 PaW, Pacific Fighters, SWOTL, B-17 and B-17 2, Red Baron, EaW, Jane's WWII Fighters, Warbirds, CFS 1 and so on). Oh.. the memories :)

[bw_wolverine]

I started my combat flight gaming with the little add in combat option in MS Flight Simulator 4.0. Enemy planes were little more than sticks and the ground was a large flat grid surrounded on all sides by two dimensional cut out triangular walls (mountains?).

That was certainly a labour of imagination.

[b101uk]

Apart from my 48k ZX spectrum days PC’s were only used for work until Dec 98 when I thought I would get a gaming PC for my self, my first PC game was MicroProse Falcon 4.0 which I still have along with its box and big thick manual, ironically I still judge games of the same ilk by this benchmark, it was hotly followed by Longbow 2 & Flight Unlimited III, MS CFS, etc

Coincidentally I was the 1st person to get working 3rd party bombs and missiles and ejector racks etc into CFS 2, I still have the Tallboy, Grand slam, block buster, Upkeep, highball and fat man bomb along with the more modern mk8#'s ;)

[bounty]

Was that the one circa '95-'96 that was, (for a year or so), free to play if you used AOL service provider?

[Lucas_From_Hell]

Chuck Yeager Air Combat. That was... awesome, really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnUtoh-u4gA

[ATAG_Dutch]

Pilotwings for the SNES, absolutely pants.

'Are you ready to earn your wings at the most exclusive flight school in the world? Then report immediately to the secret Pilotwings Flight Club, where your training begins. The realism is incredible as your Super Nintendo takes you airborne with multi-dimensional graphics, endless skylines and the freedom to fly wherever you like. Do you have what it takes to earn your wings? Then get going! You're late for your first class!'

I did manage to finish it though, after at least 1000 attempts at the helicopter strike.

Embarassingly, I've still got all that SNES stuff, all in perfect condition. Maybe I should go on 'Antiques Roadshow'.

[leggit]

Tomahawk: helicopter gunship sim on the ZX81 or the spectrum....many hours playing that...I remember Gunship from Microprose as well particually the 45 min loading time...happy days:rolleyes:

[grayson1337]

Wings of Fury for Amiga 500 :)
best flight-"sim" ever ^^

[Devastator]

Spitfire ´40 Commodore 64 is the first flightsim I bought in 1985.
Much has changed since then lol.

[Echo76]

Lol I remember Spitfire 40, it was kinda awful :)

This was my favorite, CEM and everything! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i-33SkPUFE&feature=related

[Avionsdeguerre]

+1
hell yeah ! :)
We are all veterans

[sg1221]

After almost 20 years of flying flight sims you would think I would be
a pretty good pilot :)
NOT SO :confused:
I still fly and shoot like a noob :mad:

but I love it ;)

sg

[Echo76]

More offtopic for you veterans who enjoyed c64, amiga etc music, be sure to visit http://remix.kwed.org/ theres loads of remade soundtracks of numerous games like last ninja, commando etc. :)

[Rattlehead]

The first 'simulator' I played was F-22 interceptor on the Sega Megadrive/Genesis, back in 1991. (Showing my age a bit there.) :-P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OsDhRfmOt8

[seaeye]

This was the first sim I played on the SNES..

Turn and Burn - F14 Tomcat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qchb6A07QsU

Played airwarrior 2 also, that intro was amazing!

[beazil]

Spitfire Attack for the Atari 2600. Just youtubed it. Good gawd.

[senseispcc]

I myself have played il2 almost from the beginning but does anyone remember playing a game called airways or airwars? Was around windowns 95 time!! Such a big game at its time! Use to love playing it as you could fly and also drive everything!!!

If I find the disc, ill confirm name!

Cheers

I play with words, because I did play the day the first demo did hit the web, then the real game and ever sinces until now but this is still IL2. :-P

[senseispcc]

dont recall this one:)

list of flight sims i played in order :)

red baron
1942 pacific air war
1942 pacific air war gold
chuck yeagers air combat
European Air War
Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator
IL2
IL2COD

man this brings back memories lol thanks for the trip hope you figure out which game your looking for.

My first air game was;
Battlehawk 1942 from Lucasfilms.
Their finest hour also Lucasfilm.
Secret weapons of the Luftwaffe Lucasfilm.
Aces of the Pacific Dynamix.
A series of Falcons.
Tornado.
Red Baron.
then many more...

[bw_wolverine]

My first air game was;
Battlehawk 1942 from Lucasfilms.
Their finest hour also Lucasfilm.
Secret weapons of the Luftwaffe Lucasfilm.
Aces of the Pacific Dynamix.
A series of Falcons.
Tornado.
Red Baron.
then many more...

Aces Over Europe is probably one of my most favorite games of all time.

[meplay]

Im sure i used to play this game on an old Amstrad with a green screen monitor way back when i was a little'n

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-16_Combat_Pilot

Yeah it is :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvKlj1nTu84

[capt vertigo]

AWESOME!! That truly blew me away.. It was Pixar quality.. :)

[cre8tive Delay]

What? no Swotl Video till yet?!

Fall on you knees and pray for forgiveness!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eosVhMLr1A

Oh, and: [Maybe 1c should hire the cover artists]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfzfd1-ft34

[Bryan21cag]

LOL there were a lot that i did play but didn't remember until you guys started posting them my apologies to the developers for my terrible memory :)
man if i could tally up all the hours i played flight sims during my whole life i wonder what it would actually be :) very scary.

[Zoom2136]

and who played war eagles on 8086 ?
it was a 100% slide show, the deflection was in fact the lag, people have forgotten, the meaning of unplayable

I've played Battle of Britain on my old IBM PS2 8086... on a FLOPPY :) Wow what a trip back memory lane...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhO94FPfb0w

At that time I was also playing Flight of the Intruder. This was so cool back then, One coulb fly a A-6 while a friend flew an F-4 for cover... talk about massively mutiplier...

Wow... found it here

Must of been in 88 or 89 when I flew these...

[Bewolf]

What, this is the Cliffs of Dover forums combat sim remembrance thread and nobody posted this so far?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpv7dPTxLj0

This is what I started with. The circle comes to a close :D

[AndyJWest]

Pah! Call this nostalgia? I've still got my first air combat sims - and the computer to play them on (Amstrad CPC 464) - from the mid 1980s:

Fighter Pilot (1985)from Digital Integration (1985). F-15 sim.
Tomahawk (1986) also from Digital Integration. AH-64 sim.

They both worked (or at least loaded) when I tried a year or so back. If I get the chance, I'll try them out again, and take some photos.

From the Fighter Pilot instruction leaflet:


← - Joystick LEFT
↓ - Joystick BACK
↑ - Joystick FORWARD
→ - Joystick RIGHT
Z - RUDDER LEFT
X - RUDDER RIGHT

Q - Increase THRUST
A - Decrease THRUST
W - Flaps UP
S - Flaps DOWN
U - Undercarriage UP and DOWN
B - Brakes ON
N - Next Beacon
M - Map
F - ILS/Flight Computer
<Space> GUNS (active only in Combat mode)
H - Hold
J - Release
<ESC> To return to menu


No complex engine management in those days... ;)

[Trouble4u]

My favorite sim of all time was Pacific Air War because not only did you get to fly the missions, you also controled the fleet.

PAW/Gold
Aces over Europe
Red Baron, RBII and 3d
EAW
Jane WWII fighter
MS Combat sim II and 3
IL-2, Pacific Fighter, Forgotten Battles and 1946
Rise of Flight

Still waiting for Cliffs of Dover

[choctaw111]

Il2 has come a long way since the demo and was light years ahead of anything else at that time.
I don't recall the flight sim you are talking about but I started on my Commodore 64 with original combat flight simulator for MSFS. You know, the one that had the screen refresh after about every second or so :)
I think I must have bought just about every single combat flight sim since then.
Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe was great for 1990!
There were just so many that I had a great time with.
Since Il2 was introduced I have enjoyed this one by far the most.

[choctaw111]

What, this is the Cliffs of Dover forums combat sim remembrance thread and nobody posted this so far?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpv7dPTxLj0

This is what I started with. The circle comes to a close :D

TFH was very good and I enjoyed countless hours on the Amiga...with 1 Meg of ram...a big deal back then.

[AndyJWest]

...the Amiga...with 1 Meg of ram...a big deal back then...
Pah! Another mere newcomer, who doesn't know what real computers were like. The first computer I ever actually got to touch: Acorn Atom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Atom) "The 12 KB of RAM was divided between 5 KB available for programs, 1 KB for the page zero and 6 KB for the high resolution graphics". The first computer I programmed was a BBC Micro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Micro), with an astonishing 32 Kb of RAM...

[mcler002]

I'm so glad i can call myself a rookie, on IL2, now... seems like there is alot of old timers playing this game :D and have been playing air combat sims for some time :D

Please feel free to clip me around the head... :rolleyes:

XD

[AndyJWest]

Consider yourself 'clipped', mcler002. ;)

Time to see if the Amstrad still works...

[JG52Krupi]

Here we clip wings not heads :D

[AndyJWest]

Here we go - still got the manual too:
http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae65/ajv00987k/IMG_0782.jpg
Loading - 'neeeeeee, neeeeeeee, neeeeeeeee'....
http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae65/ajv00987k/IMG_0786.jpg
5 minutes or so later:
http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae65/ajv00987k/IMG_0790.jpg
Airborne! The runway is about the only thing that shows up on the ground...
http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae65/ajv00987k/IMG_0796.jpg
Sadly, the joystick is kaput - not that it was exactly hi-tech anyway, it just imitated 5 different keypresses. I managed to take off ok, but didn't persevere beyond that

And for another nostalgia trip, Jet Set Willy: The Final Frontier
http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae65/ajv00987k/IMG_0798.jpg
Actually a rather nice platform game - still fun, and still frustrating if your timing is less than perfect.

I'll see if I can load Tomahawk tomorrow. A much more complex sim, with genuine multicolour wireframe graphics! :cool:

[b101uk]

good old Jet Set Willy.

[Bryan21cag]

Pah! Another mere newcomer, who doesn't know what real computers were like. The first computer I ever actually got to touch: Acorn Atom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Atom) "The 12 KB of RAM was divided between 5 KB available for programs, 1 KB for the page zero and 6 KB for the high resolution graphics". The first computer I programmed was a BBC Micro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Micro), with an astonishing 32 Kb of RAM...

OK already... we get it......your old.....lol just kidding

WOW video games on cassette???? that's something i had never even heard of :) Its amazing that you have kept it in such good condition for all these years.
cheers:)

[AndyJWest]

video games on cassette????
Yup. Quite effective, if rather slow. The Amstrad had the cassette recorder built in, unlike my earlier Sinclair Spectrum. I actually have a 3" (not 3.5") external floppy disc drive for the Amstrad, though it doesn't seem to work any more. :( That was a real advance for its time. You could get an astonishing 178 Kb of data on each side (they were flippy-floppies ;) )! It even came with CP/M on a disc - a whole new operating system to play with.

I suspect the main reason the Amstrad has survived is that I only really used it for a couple of years or so. My next computer was an Acorn_Archimedes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Archimedes). After that it was boring old Windows machines (with a bit of Ubuntu as well - I was given an 'obsolete' Compaq which is about 10 years old, so I put Ubuntu on it and use it as a web browser sometimes). As you can tell, I'm not very good at throwing things away...

[Bryan21cag]

Yup. As you can tell, I'm not very good at throwing things away...

LOL no sir you are not :)

but the upside is that when they finally open a classic computers museum (if they have not already) You might stand to make a fortune being the only person to have these old but necessary pieces of computer history in such condition:)

cheers to you and your collection sir it is one of a kind :)

[meplay]

WOW video games on cassette???? that's something i had never even heard of :)

I remember getting a double deck tape recorder and recording my mates games straight to a new cassette, then going home and loading it on my amstrad :P

[Robotic Pope]

Microprose F19 Stealth fighter on the Atari ST was the first flight sim I played when I was about 11. That was a real sim, I can remember how fat the manual was and you had to learn all about radar signitures and how to keep your profile low depending on what kind of radar was being used on you.
It was hard, but it was one of my favourite games.

Looking at it now, hmmm great frame rate huh? lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mErEdWCSZtY&feature=related

Tornado was the second sim I had and first for PC (My dads IBM PS2 which I beleive was a 286 and had a 16 mb hard drive lol). It didn't run too smooth though and I had to play that with the keyboard and with bleeper sound lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT5VaA81fjI
http://www.backwoodrealm.com/v5/images/tekkieblog/ps255sx.jpg

[mazex]

Pah! Call this nostalgia? I've still got my first air combat sims - and the computer to play them on (Amstrad CPC 464) - from the mid 1980s:

Fighter Pilot (1985)from Digital Integration (1985). F-15 sim.
Tomahawk (1986) also from Digital Integration. AH-64 sim.

They both worked (or at least loaded) when I tried a year or so back. If I get the chance, I'll try them out again, and take some photos.

From the Fighter Pilot instruction leaflet:



No complex engine management in those days... ;)

+1 Fighter pilot was the shit ;) Still have my old Spectrum and fired it up some year ago and played Fighter Pilot. I think it had about 4 fps in average but with those awesome graphics people understood. Not a single wining was heard in the reviews about that...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09cvB6ywiFA

I remember persuading my dad spending $200 on the 32k upgrade from 16k to 48k on my spectrum to get games like this running :) You get a bit more memory for that cash theese days ;)

EDIT: And no it's not me doing that crappy landing way low for most of the final approach ;) Found it on youtube...

[Pyrres]

My first ever games were flight sims so I have so many fond memories of 90´s simulators like Wings of glory, F14 Fleet defender, 1942 Pasific airwar etc. After those it was MS Flight simulator 98 and 2000, B17 the mighty eight, F16 something and F29 Mig Fulcrum, Flight unlimited, MS Combat flight sim, the original IL2 and all the expansions until v4.09. I must have forgotten some of the sims I played, but man I had some fun with those games. Plus my dad had to burn much much money to get me the computers to run those games in the 90´s. I rememeber how it was always a new this or that to run the games properly and the cursing of the money being wasted :rolleyes:. Thankfully now I can buy my own computers and don´t have to worry about how much money I waste on those stupid games :P

[Wandalen]

This was my first flight in a "computer" Blue Max on C-64 :grin:
Think i lost some houers of my childhood on this game... memories.. memories :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5EtR79G99Y


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