Beta Patch-Good/Bad. All discussions here please.

[Doc_uk]

Well alot of the stuttering has now gone,
Just checked the free flight channel mission, a Very good improvement
Back for more testing
Also all my resolotions are now showing up in options, did you fix this?

Regards
Josh

[ChocsAway]

Hi Josh,

What are your system specs? No improvement for me with the patch unfortunately. Still lots of stuttering/micro freeze over land and very little if any fps gain.

Q9550@3.8
GTX480
4GB ram
Running at 1680x1050

[FZG_Immel]

Hi Josh,

What are your system specs? No improvement for me with the patch unfortunately. Still lots of stuttering/micro freeze over land and very little if any fps gain.

Q9550@3.8
GTX480
4GB ram
Running at 1680x1050

+1

[jibo]

what's your resolution doc uk ?

[Fuchs]

800x600 :-P

No improvement for me with the patch unfortunately. Still lots of stuttering/micro freeze over land and very little if any fps gain.


same for me

very sad...

[jimbop]

I've already posted (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?p=255526#post255526) this question in the beta patch thread but I sense it will get buried pretty quickly in the avalanche of feedback...

Question: should tracks taken pre-patch have performance change post-patch? If so (and I don't see why not) then there is zero FPS change on my rig on a free flight over Dover. Of course, if pre-patch track FPS won't change post-patch then I guess I wasted my time!

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5225/5597890964_ab88151b58_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/61319592@N06/5597890964/)
pre_vs_post_patch (http://www.flickr.com/photos/61319592@N06/5597890964/) by jimb0p (http://www.flickr.com/people/61319592@N06/), on Flickr

[Hveding]

Hey.
The beta patch is out!
Have read the Beta Patch thread and seen that a lot of people got very little performance, or even no performance at all.
I know it's a beta patch, but it's supposed to make some preformance ?
Now im even more worried for the real patch to come... I have the feeling that the real patch will do little preformance to the game. I have installed and tested the game with the patch and the right version. No preformance at all. Got the same fps over water, trees and cities. It's even more stutters now than before... The game crashes... The list goes forever.

Sorry for my bad English.

Patrick

[Doc_uk]

I realy have noticed a good improvment
And for a laptop, its starting to look very good as well in game
Ive also noticed this ProcessAffinityMask=2 has gone back to default, i had it on 15, for 4 cores
Maby 15 was wrong

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[Ali Fish]

i absolutely agree 100%. Ive lost confidence in this 99%

[Opitz]

I realy have noticed a good improvment
And for a laptop, its starting to look very good as well in game
Ive also noticed this ProcessAffinityMask=2 has gone back to default, i had it on 15, for 4 cores
Maby 15 was wrong

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Yup... 1280x780... that's it...

[doghous3]

Strange, my config file didn't get reset..

As CoD changed my res from 1920x1200 to 1280x1024 (I checked options before starting a flight too).. to give me an invalid initial conclusion that FPS/performance had hugely increased (and the Dev's said it would), it makes me wonder whether this happened to them and they didn't know it..

Because in fact, there is no FPS/performance increase. For me at least. :p

[hoarmurath]

Hi Josh,

What are your system specs? No improvement for me with the patch unfortunately. Still lots of stuttering/micro freeze over land and very little if any fps gain.

Q9550@3.8
GTX480
4GB ram
Running at 1680x1050

Same for me, beside the window mode when not playing at your desktop resolution, no sensible changes.

[112th_Rossi]

You're getting high frame rates anyway! Regardless.

[jimbop]

You're getting high frame rates anyway! Regardless.

Yeah, I'm not complaining... Just curious since my biggest problem was stutters which are improved.

[Cpt.Badger]

i absolutely agree 100%. Ive lost confidence in this 99%

It took them six (eight ?) years to code the game. Anybody that thinks they will fix this game in a week or two is a bit naive.

[112th_Rossi]

I'm pretty convinced that stutters are related to some kind of disk access. I 'feels' like something is being loaded in each time they occur.

[Fansadox]

Im playing IL2 with UP2.01 again together with my other IL2 buddies. I suggest you do the same we were all really disappointed about the state of the game it is now.

Putting this in the freezer i dont feel like playing a game with horrible framerates.

[jimbop]

I'm pretty convinced that stutters are related to some kind of disk access. I 'feels' like something is being loaded in each time they occur.

It could be. Try using a RAM drive (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=20228) if you have enough spare, seems to work for some people. If this makes a difference it will only be in the stuttering, not FPS on which it has no effect.

[Phazon]

Yup... 1280x780... that's it...

Yup first thing I looked for when people rave about good performance and then post their config. The standard the game should be judged on is 1920x1080 at least.

[Trooper117]

The patch is 'beta'.. we have it so we can actualy test it and report any issues so that any other problems on other rigs can be sorted hopefully by the weekend when the new official patch comes out..

[JG52Uther]

The patch is 'beta'.. we have it so we can actualy test it and report any issues so that any other problems on other rigs can be sorted hopefully by the weekend when the new official patch comes out..

Exactly!

[Hveding]

It took them six (eight ?) years to code the game. Anybody that thinks they will fix this game in a week or two is a bit naive.

6-8 years, is that not more than needed to this game ?
Would say that they are slow... The avarge time for making a BIG game is... 2-4 years ? And these guys use 6-8 years and still not done ?
A week or two... I dont think soo. Would say 1-2 years before it's done ^^

[Doc_uk]

Same for me, beside the window mode when not playing at your desktop resolution, no sensible changes.
My dectop res is set at 1920x1080p
im playing game at 1280x720
But like i said, all of my resolutions are now back in game, were as befor, i could only select from 3

[jibo]

so there is some improvement for DX9 GT200/300 cards low res

only 2500k/gtx500 smoothly run this game at 1920

[bluescreen2]

dissapointed. 50€ and hardly to not playable... :/

[BlackbusheFlyer]

Yeah, I'm not complaining... Just curious since my biggest problem was stutters which are improved.

Wow your spec is very similiar to mine and yet I am not seeing anywhere near these performance numbers. Which driver are you using?

[avioni]

why did this game get released when it is not finished. this is the thing that bothers me the most. other than the fact that i bought it and i cant use it.


it's like buying a car with no engine.
like buying a book with blank pages.
like opening my wallet, taking out 50 dollars going to the kitchen flip the trashcan open and throwing the money in it.


feels like they needed the money so they launch it and use part of the money to continue development. in my book this is called a scam.
this is my first IL2 game and i think my first 1c game aswell, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

[No601_Merlin]

I've already posted (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?p=255526#post255526) this question in the beta patch thread but I sense it will get buried pretty quickly in the avalanche of feedback...

Question: should tracks taken pre-patch have performance change post-patch? If so (and I don't see why not) then there is zero FPS change on my rig on a free flight over Dover. Of course, if pre-patch track FPS won't change post-patch then I guess I wasted my time!

Excellent post, I see no difference either.
do you manually take note of these settings and then put them in a spreadsheet ?

[addman]

6-8 years, is that not more than needed to this game ?
Would say that they are slow... The avarge time for making a BIG game is... 2-4 years ? And these guys use 6-8 years and still not done ?
A week or two... I dont think soo. Would say 1-2 years before it's done ^^

Ehr, BIG games often have a MUCH larger development team and a much bigger budget. Also, Gears of War -i.e- doesn't contain super advanced physics, damage modeling (head shots are not advanced DM) and hundreds of historically detailed vehicles and weapons. Can't compare apples with oranges.

[TeeJay82]

went from 3 fps to 20-30 with settings on very high.

still a little way to go with everything but still:

i very much appreciate all your hard work :) keep it up


system speccs btw:

Cabinet: Silverstone raven 02
Motherboard:Asus Crosshair Folmula IV
PSU: Cooler master Silent gold 1000w
CPU: Amd 1090t clocked to 6 x 3.9ghz /w Coolit vantage alc cpu cooler
Memory: Kingston Hyper x 2333mhz 1.65v 8gb (4x2gb) running at 2000mhz
Hdd1 c:\ OCZ Revodrive 120gb
Hdd2 d:\ 2x WD raptor 10000rpm 600gb in raid 0
GPU: Gainward 580GTX with accelerato xtreme plus cooler oced to 900/2100
Dvd: sony optiarc &%¤%& something

[jimbop]

Wow your spec is very similiar to mine and yet I am not seeing anywhere near these performance numbers. Which driver are you using?

270.51 BETA but FPS is similar with the stable version. If you haven't already then disable aero theme in win7 and exclude the steam folder from your antivirus.

[jimbop]

Excellent post.
do you manually take note of these settings and then put them in a spreadsheet ?

I started Fraps monitoring at exactly the same time in the track for each condition, just after the initial stutters stopped and it started running smoothly. Fraps output gave the mix/max/avg for each condition and I just copy/pasted these to tabulate.

[norulz]

Can't compare apples with oranges.

Actually we can. I had eat both of them and I can see the differences and similarities between them.

people that insist that two very comparable objects cannot be compared are actually afraid of what the comparison result will reveal.

same case here.

[doghous3]

I take it the max count was when you was looking at the sky?

I think the mean value is perhaps deceptive. What would you say was the avg performace you was getting?

I might replicate test1 just to see what I get.

[addman]

Actually we can. I had eat both of them and I can see the differences and similarities between them.

people that insist that two very comparable objects cannot be compared are actually afraid of what the comparison result will reveal.

same case here.

Ok, so you would compare Farmville with Civilization IV?

[avioni]

Ok, so you would compare Farmville with Civilization IV?

what is your point?

there is no excuse for releasing an unfinished game unplayable

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVUSp1V3cVw

watch the game trailer again. tell me you dont feel fooled. pre-renderd BS

[jimbop]

I take it the max count was when you was looking at the sky?

I think the mean value is perhaps deceptive. What would you say was the avg performace you was getting?

I might replicate test1 just to see what I get.

The mean is not too far off since I spent most of the track looking at the town to stress things a bit.

[jibo]

sim games are very heavy, it takes years to develop a complex new engine from scratch
don't worry haters no one will that anymore

[avioni]

there is no haters here, there is only p**sed off people who payd good money for this.

[bw_wolverine]

Actually we can. I had eat both of them and I can see the differences and similarities between them.

people that insist that two very comparable objects cannot be compared are actually afraid of what the comparison result will reveal.

same case here.

You're completely missing the spirit of that idiom, but nevermind that.

Compare all you like, but do it intelligently. What do you know about the production of CoD vs. other major titles? What was CoD's production budget? What were the staffing levels at Maddox Games? How many testers did they employ? What kind of support were they given by third party companies (nVidia, AMD, Microsoft, Valve, etc.)?

If you're comparing apples and oranges and you say "I like apples better" you don't expect God to patch the oranges until they're just as good, do you? Nope, you decide you're just not that into oranges and you leave them alone.

Releasing an unfinished game is disappointing, yes. But inexcusable? To who? You could have waited to see if it was going to run well or if it was in a finished state.

How many games have you purchased that have been in need of repair upon launch? I'm willing to bet more than games than CoD.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

If you're going to buy ANY game at launch, be prepared for this stuff or stay away from it. It's sad that the game industry is like that now, but it is and it is across the board.

[Strike]

6-8 years, is that not more than needed to this game ?
Would say that they are slow... The avarge time for making a BIG game is...

Dude, you're right.. a GAME takes 2-4 years. A simulator is like a growing tree, its organic and develops constantly. I'm glad they even tried to get a patch out within a week of release! BTW it says beta, perhaps the feedback we give them will tell them what they need to fix it 'better' :)

[hoarmurath]

You're completely missing the spirit of that idiom, but nevermind that.

Compare all you like, but do it intelligently. What do you know about the production of CoD vs. other major titles? What was CoD's production budget? What were the staffing levels at Maddox Games? How many testers did they employ? What kind of support were they given by third party companies (nVidia, AMD, Microsoft, Valve, etc.)?

If you're comparing apples and oranges and you say "I like apples better" you don't expect God to patch the oranges until they're just as good, do you? Nope, you decide you're just not that into oranges and you leave them alone.

So, all you are doing here is finding them excuses for releasing a game in an unfinished, unplayable state.

It doesn't change anything to the fact that the game is unfinished and unplayable.

[jibo]

you're a simmer right ?
for how long time did you play il2 ?
for how long time will play CoD when it'll will be fixed ?

so please don't talk about "money" while other are working 10h/day to make this possible

[PVT_Shepperd]

I had a short testing today in dogfight. I didnt look for fps but it definetly ran much smoother than before.

[Pantherz]

Haters gonna hate

[addman]

Haters gonna hate

True dat! Also, it's a B.E.T.A BEEEEETA patch and still the flame brigade mobilizes. It's like ADHD has become some kind of epidemic, sigh....

[bw_wolverine]

So, all you are doing here is finding them excuses for releasing a game in an unfinished, unplayable state.

It doesn't change anything to the fact that the game is unfinished and unplayable.

I'm not giving anyone excuses.

I'm upset that the game trailers suggested that the game was running perfectly when it was in reality not doing so. But I'm not so out of touch that I think they should have released a trailer full of bugs to be completely honest with people about the current state of the game.

Luthier and Oleg have said, I believe, that they needed to push the game out of the door or it might not have been released at all. This suggests to me that the money for this project was drying up. So I understand what they did. I might be disappointed, but considering how long we've waited for the game, I'd rather wait a year for it to become playable than not have it at all.

I bought the game as soon as it was available to me on Steam. I've pre-purchased other games. I've pre-purchased plenty of games that ended up needing SIGNIFICANT patching to fix issues on lauch. It's a roll of the dice, pre-purchasing. There's no data to go on except advertising that is naturally going to be biased.

I'll be as disappointed as anyone if the game runs poorly on my machine, but I don't think I'm going to start sending the company nasty emails or post angry forum messages scolding them. Buying the game was my choice. No one forced me to do it.

[avioni]

True dat! Also, it's a B.E.T.A BEEEEETA patch and still the flame brigade mobilizes. It's like ADHD has become some kind of epidemic, sigh....


this is exactly what shouldn't be happening. getting beta patch releases this says it all about the condition the game was released in.

hey if the game trailers showed how the game really plays and looks and the game description on the place you buy it(box,steam or whatever) mentions that the game is not fully playable that it is still in need of patches, owners must wait till patches fix the game to play it ect... ect...

then i would be 100% agreeing with you guys.

but when you watch the trailers you see perfect smooth game with visually stunning visuals and nowhere in the box or steam or whatever it mentions anything about game being in BETA form. then my friend this is a dissrespect to the people who buy it.


edit: wolverine i just read your post.
I bought the game as soon as it was available to me on Steam. I've pre-purchased other games. I've pre-purchased plenty of games that ended up needing SIGNIFICANT patching to fix issues on lauch. It's a roll of the dice, pre-purchasing. There's no data to go on except advertising that is naturally going to be biased.

I'll be as disappointed as anyone if the game runs poorly on my machine, but I don't think I'm going to start sending the company nasty emails or post angry forum messages scolding them. Buying the game was my choice. No one forced me to do it.

yes other games may have and do have launch issues but nothing like this. the issues games commonly have are minor bugs that are patched in short time with some exceptions.
buying the game was your choice but you made this choice because you expected a good sim like the IL-2 before this.

in the end this will only affect them, I am not a hardcore plane sim gamer, I consider myself a hardcore sim racing gamer and i tought having a plane sim would be nice so consider me a casual gamer for this type of sim and after this experiense any casual gamer will look away from either the genre or the company. next time I will not buy it until it is for $5 dollars on steam fully patched and perfectly working.

[bongodriver]

one might also assume that Ubisoft would have been the major obstruction in any attempt to release COD as a 'beta', perhaps it worked well for eagle dynamics who only make flight sims.

[MadTommy]

Patch is a step back for me. Improved fps but now i have stuttering i did not have before. 10 - 15 fps increase.. but lots of stuttering. Shame.

[baffa]

Is the anti eplilepc(s)y back on after the beta patch? Changing the option doesn't do Anything to the fps.

[Achilles97]

I've already posted (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?p=255526#post255526) this question in the beta patch thread but I sense it will get buried pretty quickly in the avalanche of feedback...

Question: should tracks taken pre-patch have performance change post-patch? If so (and I don't see why not) then there is zero FPS change on my rig on a free flight over Dover. Of course, if pre-patch track FPS won't change post-patch then I guess I wasted my time!

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Wow. Thank you for this information. I appreciate your efforts to test this in a structured manner. I don't even have the game yet but I've been reading this forum for weeks and this information you posted finally gives me some distinct impression of how the game will run on my system.

Thanks!

[Ataros]

Patch is a step back for me. Improved fps but now i have stuttering i did not have before. 10 - 15 fps increase.. but lots of stuttering. Shame.

Try defragmenting files after each patch.

[Eklund89]

Im really happy. I have got great preformace and now i can hit stuff again when they have fixed the shooting. Im just amazed how great this game is. All haters can go to hell. nobody asked you to buy the game.

[bw_wolverine]

edit: wolverine i just read your post.


yes other games may have and do have launch issues but nothing like this. the issues games commonly have are minor bugs that are patched in short time with some exceptions.
buying the game was your choice but you made this choice because you expected a good sim like the IL-2 before this.

Absolutely I bought it based on IL-2 before this. And I'll be upset if it's not worth playing. But to suggest that I should be outraged? If I can't afford to risk $50 on a game that hasn't even been released yet, I have no business doing so. If that $50 is so important to me, I should wait until the game is launched and I have proof that it's going to be worth it.

Advertising is NOT proof. Advertising is biased and everyone should know that and account for it.

Fallout: New Vegas was pretty horribly buggy on launch for the PC, but now it's great. Same with the original Operation Flashpoint.

Releasing games in whatever state of unreadiness is part and parcel of the industry now. Especially for ambitious titles like simulations.

[Hveding]

bw_wolverine:
I'm upset that the game trailers suggested that the game was running perfectly when it was in reality not doing so. But I'm not so out of touch that I think they should have released a trailer full of bugs to be completely honest with people about the current state of the game.

I agree. Why would they launch a PERFECT game trailer, when the game is nothing like perfect at all. Why didnt they just show the people what they are buying...
But when they are in need of money, they tell a big lie just to make a big sale.
Think about this...
You buy a new car and when you trying to start it, it would not do soo. Because the engine missing a lot of parts... Then you'll need to send the car back so they can fix it.. Wait then 3-5 weeks before you can drive xD

[avioni]

Absolutely I bought it based on IL-2 before this. And I'll be upset if it's not worth playing. But to suggest that I should be outraged? If I can't afford to risk $50 on a game that hasn't even been released yet, I have no business doing so. If that $50 is so important to me, I should wait until the game is launched and I have proof that it's going to be worth it.

Advertising is NOT proof. Advertising is biased and everyone should know that and account for it.

Fallout: New Vegas was pretty horribly buggy on launch for the PC, but now it's great. Same with the original Operation Flashpoint.

Releasing games in whatever state of unreadiness is part and parcel of the industry now. Especially for ambitious titles like simulations.


yes and its very sad that this is becoming more and more common. there is a definitive need for an intermediate entity that controls quality of games, SPECIALLY because PC games cannot be returned. publishers just want to release as much and as fast as possible.
console players are slowly getting affected by this. i know homefront for ps3 is still not playable online. atleast for console games if the game is broken i can go take it back to the store and ask for refund or exchange.

when I preorder yes there is a risk of wasting my money but the risk is of the game being bad like bad gameplay or me not liking it but i always expect to atleast be able to play it.

[bw_wolverine]

I agree. Why would they launch a PERFECT game trailer, when the game is nothing like perfect at all. Why didnt they just show the people what they are buying...
But when they are in need of money, they tell a big lie just to make a big sale.

Continue reading my posts. As a consumer, I'm aware of advertising and what it is intended to do. If I can't risk wasting my money, I should wait until there are reviews. That's why we have things like reviews. To save people their money on products that they don't want/need.

[David Hayward]

there is no haters here, there is only p**sed off people who payd good money for this.

Why did you buy it without checking how well it worked?

[avioni]

Why did you buy it without checking how well it worked?

i've already anwered that in all my posts.

to make it short. i dont expect any game to be this broken.

im sure the gameplay is awesome or it would not have such fans of it. if it only worked.

[bongodriver]

i've already anwered that in all my posts.

to make it short. i dont expect any game to be this broken.

nobody expected iPhone to be broken when it first launched

[Ataros]

Come on guys if you payed for the game to be able to play it right away the game is not for you. Try some shooters like Wings of Prey. I payed for the game to be able to play it in 2013.

I think some of you just can not see through the surface of nice graphics all the detail modeled inside the engine. If it were playable in 2010 it would die in 2013 probably but it is build full of features with future in mind and the engine will last for 10-15 years i am sure. But if the game was not issued now in unfinished state we would probably never see it in the future because of ubi and current state of game industry. Sims are dying in general. All 3 flightsim studios are struggling for survival because young people nowadays want just a quick action out of the box in Wings of prey like shooters and do not have enough patience even to set up and optimize their PC properly. Patience is the way to victory. If you are not patient enough to wait till 2013 you are not a serious flight-simmer imo.

Those who understand the potential of this engine please invest in it and it will shine by 2013 or even earlier.

[Ze-Jamz]

Why did you buy it without checking how well it worked?

Hayward...

Edit..dont want a ban

[bw_wolverine]

Think about this...
You buy a new car and when you trying to start it, it would not do soo. Because the engine missing a lot of parts... Then you'll need to send the car back so they can fix it.. Wait then 3-5 weeks before you can drive xD

Heh, people keep adding to previous posts in edits.

As for this, if you buy a car without doing any research into it, you probably deserve what you get.

And this is assuming you're buying a car that hasn't been released to the public and has never been test driven by anyone outside the company that is making it.

Caveat emptor.

[David Hayward]

to make it short. i dont expect any game to be this broken.
worked.

That's a risk you decided to take.

[David Hayward]

Hayward...f off and post something worth while you pos..

whats wrong with you..?

So he had to see how well it worked before he purchased it?... unbelievable

Yeah, it seems like a good idea to see how well something works before you buy it. Is that not how things work in Retardistan?

[avioni]

That's a risk you decided to take.

nop. the risk i decided to take was liking or not liking the game.

[Ze-Jamz]

Wow..did you invent that word on your own?

Another hero

you rok x

[avioni]

david, everything you say is correct and noone would have an argument against it is we where talking about gameplay.

[David Hayward]

nop. the risk i decided to take was liking or not liking the game.

How do you like the game?

[damar]

I got 10~15FPS increased. It is playable now.
I think 1C need more time to perfect it.

[avioni]

How do you like the game?

lol. i wish i could tell you. wouldnt be having this thread if I could awnser that.

[David Hayward]

lol. i wish i could tell you. wouldnt be having this thread if I could awnser that.

Look, you bought the game without having any idea if you could even start it up. That means you don't have a lot of room to complain when you discover that it won't run.

[addman]

Movie trailers can make any sh*tty movie look like a masterpiece, should movie trailers also contain the warning "This movie might not be as good as the trailer shows and the actors are performing subpar, the script is toast and the director decided to take naps during the takes"?

[avioni]

Look, you bought the game without having any idea if you could even start it up. That means you don't have a lot of room to complain when you discover that it won't run.


seriously? i own over 150 games all of them playable.

ill put this in a list of things to check from now on when buying games from 1c (always chek if the game is actually a game or a work in progress)
oh wait. ill save myself the trouble and never look at them again.

[Ze-Jamz]

Look, you bought the game without having any idea if you could even start it up. That means you don't have a lot of room to complain when you discover that it won't run.

Who would but a game not knowing if it would start or not...have you EVER bought a game using your hard earned cash (or maybe not hard earned judging by some of your views) knowing that if you get it home it may not work?!

How are supposed to take you serious when you come out with crap like that.. this game doesnt work, will it be fixed..who knows? will i try for a refund..who knows? but you actually saying and believing that this is all just OK because we shouldnt of purchased a game beacuse it may not of worked..

priceless

[Ze-Jamz]

seriously? i own over 150 games all of them playable.

ill put this in a list of things to check from now on when buying games from 1c (always chek if the game is actually a game or a work in progress)
oh wait. ill save myself the trouble and never look at them again.

No No mate..you have it all wrong
David says:

Didnt you know that stores stock games and some of them ''dont work'' they are just plain blank discs...if you buy it and it is indeed blank or ''doesnt work'' then thats tuff luck im afraid..you should of found that out before you purchased it..

what a crock..

[avioni]

Movie trailers can make any sh*tty movie look like a masterpiece, should movie trailers also contain the warning "This movie might not be as good as the trailer shows and the actors are performing subpar, the script is toast and the director decided to take naps during the takes"?

movies is a totally different thing man. but since you brought that up. you wouldnt expect to go see that movie from that trailer you just saw and the movie getting cut and the begining in the middle of the movie and no ending and the light go out in the theater right?

even if you dont like it in the end. you went to the theater and you where able to watch the movie.

[bw_wolverine]

movies is a totally different thing man. but since you brought that up. you wouldnt expect to go see that movie from that trailer you just saw and the movie getting cut and the begining in the middle of the movie and no ending and the light go out in the theater right?

even if you dont like it in the end. you went to the theater and you where able to watch the movie.

This is ridiculous. You posted yourself that you can play this game at low settings. You even posted a screenshot showing 40+ frames a second over the water. That's a performance issue, not a game breaking fault.

And keep in mind that not everyone is having these issues. Some people are enjoying this game. The film breaking and the lights going out affects EVERYONE in the theater. If you suddenly go blind while watching the movie, that's your own situation, not the filmmakers.

The internet: where hyperbole goes on steroids.

[avioni]

so now you say the game is not broken. thats its just me. i guess all the other hundreds of people complaining even the developers are wrong and the game is not broken.

you just lost me there m8.

[David Hayward]

seriously? i own over 150 games all of them playable.

ill put this in a list of things to check from now on when buying games from 1c (always chek if the game is actually a game or a work in progress)
oh wait. ill save myself the trouble and never look at them again.

I'm completely serious. Buying something without having any idea if it will ever work is pretty stupid.

[David Hayward]

Who would but a game not knowing if it would start or not...


Apparently you did. You should have waited for the reviews.

[bw_wolverine]

so now you say the game is not broken. thats its just me. i guess all the other hundreds of people complaining even the developers are wrong and the game is not broken.

you just lost me there m8.

Not at all. We've been discussing the fact that the game needs fixing. Hundreds of people complaining is not everyone. People who complain or have issues are vocal about it. How many people who are content will create a forum account to log in and say "I'm fine with this." You're making the mistake of assuming that everyone with something to say on the subject is here on the forums saying it.

Everyone will benefit from fixes, for sure, but not everyone needs them to enjoy this game as it is right now.

Your 'movie' analogy suggests that no one can enjoy this product when that's clearly not true.

[MadTommy]

Try defragmenting files after each patch.

Thanks i'm try tat, appreciate the help. It is on a SSD so it may be fruitless but i'll try it.

[Oktoberfest]

This is ridiculous. You posted yourself that you can play this game at low settings. You even posted a screenshot showing 40+ frames a second over the water. That's a performance issue, not a game breaking fault.

And keep in mind that not everyone is having these issues. Some people are enjoying this game. The film breaking and the lights going out affects EVERYONE in the theater. If you suddenly go blind while watching the movie, that's your own situation, not the filmmakers.

The internet: where hyperbole goes on steroids.

Guy, that's the worst bad faith I have seen so far !

Comparaison was good : you see a good trailer, go watch the movie and the movie sucked. Fine, that can happen (Battle LA gave me this impression for instance, but I think some people liked it). You had 100% of the product at the release of the movie, so you can have a pretty accurate judgement about the movie towards your personnal tests.

However, if Clodo was a movie, then:
- All the actors would be dubbed by a synthetizer and all of them (men and women) with the same voice,
- Special effects would be cancelled,
-The film would play at 5 frames per second ever 5 seconds,
-It would have been filmed in teletubbies land to get those colours,
-The movie would better be a remake of "the old man and the sea" to avoid stuttering as soon as a building appears,
- The ending would be a Blue Screen of Death or a windows message box : fatal crash..

[bw_wolverine]

Guy, that's the worst bad faith I have seen so far !

Comparaison was good : you see a good trailer, go watch the movie and the movie sucked. Fine, that can happen (Battle LA gave me this impression for instance, but I think some people liked it). You had 100% of the product at the release of the movie, so you can have a pretty accurate judgement about the movie towards your personnal tests.

However, if Clodo was a movie, then:
- All the actors would be dubbed by a synthetizer and all of them (men and women) with the same voice,
- Special effects would be cancelled,
-The film would play at 5 frames per second ever 5 seconds,
-It would have been filmed in teletubbies land to get those colours,
-The movie would better be a remake of "the old man and the sea" to avoid stuttering as soon as a building appears,
- The ending would be a Blue Screen of Death or a windows message box : fatal crash..

I've seen plenty of posts on this forum, screenshots, and videos from end users that suggest they're enjoying the game. Maybe they want better performance here and there, but they're at least able to experience and enjoy the game, finding value there. Maybe they're not the majority. Maybe they all have massive computers with tons of ram and the best graphics cards. Whatever. For them, the game works well enough that they can enjoy it. IE, it's a bad movie, but they like it - Battlefield LA.

So either some people enjoy the CloD movie you've described above and as such there's a market for that kind of movie (whether or not a profitable one is to be seen)

OR

They're lying about it and are just fans trying to support 1C. Which is entirely possible I suppose.

So are you calling them liars?

[bluescreen2]

Guy, that's the worst bad faith I have seen so far !

Comparaison was good : you see a good trailer, go watch the movie and the movie sucked. Fine, that can happen (Battle LA gave me this impression for instance, but I think some people liked it). You had 100% of the product at the release of the movie, so you can have a pretty accurate judgement about the movie towards your personnal tests.

However, if Clodo was a movie, then:
- All the actors would be dubbed by a synthetizer and all of them (men and women) with the same voice,
- Special effects would be cancelled,
-The film would play at 5 frames per second ever 5 seconds,
-It would have been filmed in teletubbies land to get those colours,
-The movie would better be a remake of "the old man and the sea" to avoid stuttering as soon as a building appears,
- The ending would be a Blue Screen of Death or a windows message box : fatal crash..

lol. nice1

[avioni]

Not at all. We've been discussing the fact that the game needs fixing. Hundreds of people complaining is not everyone. People who complain or have issues are vocal about it. How many people who are content will create a forum account to log in and say "I'm fine with this." You're making the mistake of assuming that everyone with something to say on the subject is here on the forums saying it.

Everyone will benefit from fixes, for sure, but not everyone needs them to enjoy this game as it is right now.

Your 'movie' analogy suggests that no one can enjoy this product when that's clearly not true.


are you able to play the game without stutters?

i wonder what kind of hardware you got cause i see people with gtx580's getting 15fps and 25fps stuttering, others with 40's and still full of stuttering. on medium to low settings. since there is nothing more powerfull than a gtx580 for this game i wonder what you have. just mention your gpu as cpu doesnt really matter, the game will run the same on a 4.0ghz pentium D than on a core2quad or core i7 or amd. doesnt matter cause it only uses 1 core. doesnt matter if you own quad sli 580's cause it only uses one gpu. so people with the best possible system to run this game still have stutters. makes me wonder maybe you are from the future from a time where the game has already had all its patches and from where bad movies can be compared to broken games

[jibo]

will you rant on this game for weeks ?
you think this game is finished, fine, now go away

[avioni]

yes! i bought a $50 dollar ticket to rant all i want

[bw_wolverine]

are you able to play the game without stutters?

i wonder what kind of hardware you got cause i see people with gtx580's getting 15fps and 25fps stuttering, others with 40's and still full of stuttering. on medium to low settings. since there is nothing more powerfull than a gtx580 for this game i wonder what you have. just mention your gpu as cpu doesnt really matter, the game will run the same on a 4.0ghz pentium D than on a core2quad or core i7 or amd. doesnt matter cause it only uses 1 core. doesnt matter if you own quad sli 580's cause it only uses one gpu. so people with the best possible system to run this game still have stutters. makes me wonder maybe you are from the future from a time where the game has already had all its patches and from where bad movies can be compared to broken games

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=20524

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=20730

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=20677

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=20416

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=20775

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=20720

All pretty positive and satisfied posters. Like I said, some people are enjoying this product as it stands. Improving performance might make it playable for you and make it even better for them.

So yeah, something is seriously wrong with the game that it needs to be fixed.

Broken beyond all playability? Nope.

[David Hayward]

yes! i bought a $50 dollar ticket to rant all i want

Good luck with that. Most likely you're eventually going to have to find some other place to rant.

[Ze-Jamz]

And you for your pathetic attempts to be helpfull..your happy David so leave this thread, you dont have to be here..why you bother to post is beyond me..

YOU still after reading your posts are confusing the fact that you buy a game to decide if you like it or not if you HAVENT read reviews..

You dont buy it just to see if it even works or not..

Go away now, your happy with your game and the way it runs..were not, its broken so stop coming up with pathetic replys to posts

[Fansadox]

So yeah, something is seriously wrong with the game that it needs to be fixed.

Broken beyond all playability? Nope.

There is alot wrong and its not playable !

If i wanna see a diashow ill get a

http://www.comingsoon.net/nextraimages/viewmastermovie.jpg

get real !

[David Hayward]

And you for your pathetic attempts to be helpfull..your happy David so leave this thread, you dont have to be here..why you bother to post is beyond me..

YOU still after reading your posts are confusing the fact that you buy a game to decide if you like it or not if you HAVENT read reviews..

You dont buy it just to see if it even works or not..

Go away now, your happy with your game and the way it runs..were not, its broken so stop coming up with pathetic replys to posts

I'm trying to help you understand why your whiny rants are completely pointless. I may not have been helpful so far, but I still have some hope.

BTW, I can't figure out why you are posting, either.

[bw_wolverine]

There is alot wrong and its not playable !

If i wanna see a diashow ill get a

http://www.comingsoon.net/nextraimages/viewmastermovie.jpg

get real !

Did you even read the links I posted?

[bw_wolverine]

Anyway.

I've carried on here far longer than I should have I think.

I hope the game is patched up and fixed so that everyone who wants to play it can play it.

Good luck with it.

[avioni]

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=20524

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=20730

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=20677

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=20416

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=20775

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=20720

All pretty positive and satisfied posters. Like I said, some people are enjoying this product as it stands. Improving performance might make it playable for you and make it even better for them.

So yeah, something is seriously wrong with the game that it needs to be fixed.

Broken beyond all playability? Nope.

GOOD, so you found 6 threads of satisfied positive posters.

here is 7,730 results of unplayable threads. now go away, get going you got a lot of people to tell them they should have cheked before buying

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/9064/unplayable.jpg

[MadTommy]

^^ the internet is full of kids & idiots.. that proves nothing.

Well i just flew a pretty large mission over the south coast on England, a fair bit going on, flak, fighters, bombers, balloons, ships etc etc and had an average fps of 45. Lowest was 23, highest was 107. All setting on High except Trees & buildings. Flying mainly over the land.

And my rig is not nearly new.. my cpu is nearly 3 years old dual core.

Very happy.. game looks great, plays good, not perfect but good. I'm very happy.

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8331/shot2011040716471875.jpg

Game is not broke.. your PCs are. :rolleyes:

[avioni]

im sure they used your pc to make the trailer:grin:

[bw_wolverine]

GOOD, so you found 6 threads of satisfied positive posters.

here is 7,730 results of unplayable threads. now go away, get going you got a lot of people to tell them they should have cheked before buying

Hope they can fix it for you.

Good luck.

[Ze-Jamz]

im posting in here because of the thread title and the fact im not happy as i thought thats what this thread is all about (again yes but its here) why did you post?

You still have some hope? fine as do I

but please dont make out that we, them and you should of thought about all this before we purchased this game because i can guarantee when you purchased this game or when others purchased this game a few weeks ago or when it was first available for preorder thought for 1 min that this game will be anything like it is now and for most be completely unplayable..if you say you did, your lying..fact, because no one is that stupid

now a few patches here and there to iron out problems but complete fail for alot of people and no rhyme or reason as to why its happening..

I dont care about dev teams, resources, money or any of that stuff, if i buy a game or any game PC or console it has to work, it has too.. it snever happened to me before, again patches yes to address issues but this is more than issues..

i really just dont get your logic or anyones logic when they say...'' you should of known, you should of been prepared that it may not of worked'' for the life of me i just dont get that point..ive never ever purchased a game thinking ' i dont know whether to buy this game or that coat beacuse that game after all might not work '

Im not saying that this game wont ever work, im not saying patches wil or wont be released..im saying that you cant tell people this is their fault because they should of known better...end off

[Trumper]

:) What about the audio,are the engine sounds improved?

[TeeJay82]

No.. but i guess the correct answer would be not yet.

[bulldoguk]

loaded patch game will not laod at all now i think i will just give up and go back to rise of flight good luck and hope to play with you all in a few months

[SsSsSsSsSnake]

i absolutely agree 100%. Ive lost confidence in this 99%

me too

[Opitz]

Is the anti epilepc(s)y back on after the beta patch? Changing the option doesn't do Anything to the fps.

Because it never ever was a real issue... Got it finally? How does it feel to be fooled like a sheep?

[Opitz]

Game is not broke.. your PCs are. :rolleyes:

Yes, it is wonderful simulator :grin:

[David Hayward]

Because it never ever was a real issue... Got it finally? How does it feel to be fooled like a sheep?

How does the game work on your PC?

[Strike]

Okay so I benched my computer flying the bomber intercept over London quick-mission with ALL HIGH 1920x1080 8xAA and EVERYTHING ON/MAXED except spazfilter :p

During this mission, I notice this in particular :

The overall impression is that the ride is smooth (FPS) but with a LOT of intermittent stutters causing the effect of low FPS. If looking in a certain direction long enough, it seems to ease off and increase FPS, until you look another direction.

But just now I discovered something with my GPU load/usage.

My screenies use EVGA overlay to show GPU temp and GPU Load %.

Check this out:

First image was taken during about 10-20 fps showing a average GPU load of about 30-40%

http://img852.imageshack.us/img852/573/muchdetail.png

The second image is from a few seconds later, flying the the same direction, but looking upwards!

Both GPU temp and Load increased severly at the same time as my FPS went skyhigh (well 40FPS + and of course without micro-stutters).

http://img858.imageshack.us/img858/3245/lessdetail.png

I say something tells me that CPU or Harddrive is what is causing the stutters as stuff is constantly loaded into the sim, whilst the graphics card has to "WAIT" to actually be utilized. On the online maps when dogfighting I always have 100% GPU load and NO stutters/Microfreeze at all.

Am I the only one observing this behaviour or is this old news?

I have pretty decent specs. Run graphics demanding games like Crysis at smooth FPS maxed out.. Something here is seriously over-complicated in loading into the game causing waaay too much hold-ups. That's MY impression.

ALSO: All shadows, from FLAK to clouds and aircraft are CONSTANTLY doing crazy stuff, warping and changing into more detailed and defined shadows and jumping back to blurred dark spots..

Still a blast though :p

[dougandtoni]

Beta Patch-Good/Bad. All discussions here please.


Well alot of the stuttering has now gone,
Just checked the free flight channel mission, a Very good improvement
Back for more testing
Also all my resolotions are now showing up in options, did you fix this?

Regards
Josh

What the **** is wrong with you people.Luthier has started a thread dedicated to discussions on the new patch and then you idiots start another one here. Way to go guys.No wonder they cant fix the game -not only do they have to trawl through rambling posts with no specs they now have to do the same on this thread.How long do you guys sit at the computer looking for answers to get your game to run better now the devs have to do the same. Why cant you post in short the prob and then your specs with operating system

[Doc_uk]

I'm pretty convinced that stutters are related to some kind of disk access. I 'feels' like something is being loaded in each time they occur.
Its very strange its over land, and not water, i get good gamplay over warter, but over land its not that good
ive also noticed if you do a fps check over land its only building and trees that have the worst effect,

[Doc_uk]

Beta Patch-Good/Bad. All discussions here please.




What the **** is wrong with you people.Luthier has started a thread dedicated to discussions on the new patch and then you idiots start another one here. Way to go guys.No wonder they cant fix the game -not only do they have to trawl through rambling posts with no specs they now have to do the same on this thread.How long do you guys sit at the computer looking for answers to get your game to run better now the devs have to do the same. Why cant you post in short the prob and then your specs with operating system
Oh no you poor thing did you have to search these forums..
Join the club m8, we all do it

[jflain]

Game working before patch. Not working after patch can not load any missions. Launcher has stopped working.
Need another patch to make game playable. as useless now.:(

[Flanker35M]

S!

Along Strike's lines regarding GPU usage. I had the MSI AfterBurner on and the graphs on right side. When over sea or with sea in visibilty range = GPU load skyrocketed. Over land it was a lot lower. Also shadows seem to behave as Strike described, except cockpit shading which works as should.

The patch improved performance a bit, can use native resolution instead of 1650x1080. Some tweaking needed though for the sim to be fully playable. VSync is direly needed, can't stand tearing with TrackIR :(

My opinion is that dev team could forget adding more stuff before the code is better optimized and bugs cleared.

[KG26_Alpha]

Beta Patch-Good/Bad. All discussions here please.




What the **** is wrong with you people.Luthier has started a thread dedicated to discussions on the new patch and then you idiots start another one here. Way to go guys.No wonder they cant fix the game -not only do they have to trawl through rambling posts with no specs they now have to do the same on this thread.How long do you guys sit at the computer looking for answers to get your game to run better now the devs have to do the same. Why cant you post in short the prob and then your specs with operating system



The reason for this thread is because Luthiers one was full of rambling rubbish and I expect difficult for the team to pick through unnecessary posts,
and get to the information they need quickly and accurately.


I have merged several threads into here so you can post questions amongst yourselves regarding the new beta patch.

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[KG26_Alpha]

Game working before patch. Not working after patch can not load any missions. Launcher has stopped working.
Need another patch to make game playable. as useless now.:(

Make sure to patch the correct version En or Ru

Patching the Ru version with En patch will cause the launcher to not work and vice versa.



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[JG52Krupi]

The reason for this thread is because Luthiers one was full of rambling rubbish and I expect difficult for the team to pick through unnecessary posts,
and get to the information they need quickly and accurately.


I have merged several threads into here so you can post questions amongst yourselves regarding the new beta patch.

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Do you know if the patch will be released tomorrow or if it has been delayed?

[lbuchele]

so there is some improvement for DX9 GT200/300 cards low res

only 2500k/gtx500 smoothly run this game at 1920

That's truth,but not totally.Over cities, it's not so fluid.Anyone tryed to strafe the oil/fuel tanks near the factories?
The explosion induces a total halt in my system,0 fps!
Well,the key seems to be patient and have faith that time will bring better days...:(

[jimbop]

Can anyone answer the question from the first page (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?p=255540#post255540)? Should a track made before the patch have performance increase after the patch?

[doghous3]

You know, when I first played CoD, and with the system I have, I was surprised I wasn't able to have everything maxed.

Not the end of the world.

Perhaps it shouldn't be compared, but I do think it's scope is in the same ball-park. That is, with Arma2. That game, with it's expansive land-scape, vegetation and buildings is also system intensive. That also had issues with buildings that would seriously cripple FPS when it first released.

It got sorted. But, I wouldn't max everything out and play a campaign mission though. It likes to eat your hardware.

The more I play CoD, and the more I think about it, it wouldn't surprise me even after these few optimization patches, that one shan't be able to max it completely without impeding on FPS on current high-end PC's.

I was flying over the channel and looked at the coastal town. There are a hell of a lot of buildings I could see, and with tree's even more objects to render.

I'm not suggesting CoD is in full working order. The dev's have said there needs to be optimization and such.

Perhaps some of us should be a little more humble with our system's and realize that maybe this game is (despite how you think it looks) one, like Arma2, that likes to eat your hardware.

Am I a fan-boi? Certainly not. I've never followed this company or its developer's and only found out about CoD on the 30th of March.

I was disappointed with CoD on release. The performance, the campaign, the interface and the multi-player.

But I am optimistic about the product, despite the beta-patch not doing much for me. But it seems a lot of people are able to play CoD now, so that is good news.

Think what you want, say what you want. It's merely my opinion.

[JG52Krupi]

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/578919280593263841/2D918DFA5D0A8AFDCE2116596FC2131126051206/

:confused:

Appeared when a aircraft crashes into the sea :(

[JG52Uther]

Thats the new RAF search and rescue beacon Krupi.

[reflected]

Better FPS, smoother gameplay, especially above water. However, I get massive stutters because of buildings. The more buildings are around, the heavier the freezes get. Even though I have them on the lowes possible, amound and detail. The overall FPS would be acceptable though..

[doghous3]

I agree reflected, it's the building's.

Shame they can't give us an option to turn off buildings fully. I suspect this option would remove all stuttering, for me at least.

The tree's seem to be little issue, unfortunately I can't really say as pre-patch I had them off very quickly.

[335th_GRAthos]

I have already posted on the patch feedback thread, I do not know if it appropriate to re-post the same here, sorry if I shouldn't.


In Summary:
Beta patch much better, more eye-candy with less stutter.
Still VRAM is the limiting factor (personal opinion) if oyu put eye-candy on.
1280x is the right resolution to play (with eye-candy). Without (eye-candy) you should now be able to run much higher resolutions.
A tool to monitor your VRAM ressources may be usefull (GPU-Z or similar).

In detail:

- English version with English Beta does not start on my rig :-(
- Russian version with Russian Beta is working :-)
(yes, I have two - No, you do not get my extra activation codes)

I post these pictures because I can directly compare pre- and after-beta patch.
More pictures with higher settings to follow soon.

Flying window 1280x1024 using settings (no trees) as below
(screenshot from English version - same in Russian as they use the same conf.ini)

Game is definitively smoother no stutters at all
Same fps
Less VRAM used
1128MB before (look at the GPU-Z far right) vs 988Mb now (140MB RAM savings) NOT BAD :-)
Interestingly enough, GPU usage is still 60%
My CPU load is much less 19% vs 30% before

http://www.stoimenos.com/temp/CoD/CoD_3840x1024_1280x1024_beta13915_settings_ground0 1.jpg

THIS IS PHOTO UNPATCHED (ver. 13820) 3840x resolution, move sliders to the right to see the game
http://www.stoimenos.com/temp/CoD/CoD_3840x1024_1280x1024_13820_ground01.jpg

THIS IS PHOTO PATCHED (ver. beta 13915) 3840x resolution, move sliders to the right to see the game
http://www.stoimenos.com/temp/CoD/CoD_3840x1024_1280x1024_beta13915_ground01.jpg


I hope this helps.
I will continue testing with higher settings...


Now increasing the settings to HIGH (I hope my Russian is correct)...looks Greek to me...
http://www.stoimenos.com/temp/CoD/CoD_3840x1024_1280x1024_beta13915_settings_ground0 2.jpg

THIS IS PHOTO PATCHED (ver. beta 13915) 3840x resolution, move sliders to the right to see the game
http://www.stoimenos.com/temp/CoD/CoD_3840x1024_1280x1024_beta13915_ground02.jpg

Only 33fps (photo shows 30 but it is 33)
THE GPU LOAD OF 53% IS WRONG, MY GPU WAS CONSTANTLY AT 73% WHILE FLYING!
Now the CPU load has also increased, 27%
No real stutters but it was noticable that the movement was NOT very fluid.

I must admit tht so much detail is a straight o v e r k i l l I will definitively not be using so much in my gam (I fly dogfghts not sightseeing...)
On the other side, with SLI this could be nice...

On the other side, inside the cockpit the situation looks BETTER !
Cockpit view is less wide than External view, this seems to make life easier.
28-30 fps and NO STUTTERS, VERY FLUID game, despite being low above the houses.
THIS IS PHOTO PATCHED (ver. beta 13915) 3840x resolution, move sliders to the right to see the game
http://www.stoimenos.com/temp/CoD/CoD_3840x1024_1280x1024_beta13915_ground03.jpg


FINALLY the first shot with the GPU working at 77% percent :-)
THIS IS PHOTO PATCHED (ver. beta 13915) 3840x resolution, move sliders to the right to see the game
http://www.stoimenos.com/temp/CoD/CoD_3840x1024_1280x1024_beta13915_ground04.jpg



I did notice however something:
Flying over London with the same settings is not possible, too low fps.
But I noticed for the first time that the GPU clock speed changes !
Inside the cockpit, the GPU works at full speed (look at the GPU-Z information, Core, Memory and Shader clock)
THIS IS PHOTO PATCHED (ver. beta 13915) 3840x resolution, move sliders to the right to see the game
http://www.stoimenos.com/temp/CoD/CoD_3840x1024_1280x1024_beta13915_London01.jpg

External view, the GPU works at low speeds !!!! (look at the GPU-Z information Core, Memory and Shader clock)
THIS IS PHOTO PATCHED (ver. beta 13915) 3840x resolution, move sliders to the right to see the game
http://www.stoimenos.com/temp/CoD/CoD_3840x1024_1280x1024_beta13915_London02.jpg




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[Kankkis]

Yeah building is killer for me, look at my video, playable when not so much buildings

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7Ebmt76Xmg

[Echo76]

I got a low end rig, 3.2Ghz dual, 8800 GTS 512. I noticed that everytime I get these stutters over land, my planes detail starts to automatically drop and rise back continuously, after like 10 secs it gets back to smooth, even over London.

Might indicate that I'm running out of video memory but could it be possible that the automatic LOD adjust might cause the stutters?

[Eklund89]

Is the allied campaign fixed so you can play all missions with the patch?