UBI passes Epi filter debacle cost onto customers?

[Shrike_UK]

The game will not allow you to play the version that's on the DVD even if you try. The installer will automatically grab and download the latest version as it exists on steam's servers, and install that right off the bat.

So, whenever it is you install the game, your version will be the same as everybody else's. You can choose to disable future updates if you like but not with the initial install.

Excuse me, but i have to pay £1 per GB that i download. I dont mind downloading 500MB patches, but i wanted to buy a DVD and install the Game, then patch it. Are you telling me that on top of the £30 to buy the game, i have to pay an additional £10 or so to download it?

[Gimpymoo]

I feel sorry for you, I really do.

No wonder Oleg has had enough what with you lot ******* and moaning.

Why not moan about the cost of the electric to play the game too?

[Tiger27]

Excuse me, but i have to pay £1 per GB that i download. I dont mind downloading 500MB patches, but i wanted to buy a DVD and install the Game, then patch it. Are you telling me that on top of the £30 to buy the game, i have to pay an additional £10 or so to download it?

I would think you will only be required to download the differences and the steam client, the steam and DVD games will be much the same, although I am only guessing of course.

[PeterPanPan]

Excuse me, but i have to pay £1 per GB that i download. I dont mind downloading 500MB patches, but i wanted to buy a DVD and install the Game, then patch it. Are you telling me that on top of the £30 to buy the game, i have to pay an additional £10 or so to download it?

Think you should change your ISP. £1 per GB seems like a rip off to me. I am with BT and think I get 10GB free per month.

[Wurschtie]

This takes ranting to a new level. In fact, UBI passes cost for updates on to no one.

Seriously: It's not UBI's fault if you have a paid-volume internet connection. Correct me if I am wrong, and someone forced oyu into this. Then I do feel sorry. Nevertheless, I don't recommend a lawsuit.

Somebody want cheese with their whine?

[Shrike_UK]

Think you should change your ISP. £1 per GB seems like a rip off to me. I am with BT and think I get 10GB free per month.

Yep im with BT Option 1. But i always use up my entire 10GB quota. This would mean i go over by the size of the game.

Nobody forced me to be on this ISP package. Im unemployed at the moment, so i'm only eating 1 meal a day in order to afford to buy the game. BT Option 1 is cheapest for me. Cant afford to add more cost to my phone bill.

[Moggy]

If you can, change your ISP as you're being ripped off by them and that's not UBI's fault.

[stanford]

I take it you're in the UK? Well your ISP sucks. For sure. Change your ISP!

[Wurschtie]

But i always use up my entire 10GB quota. This would mean i go over by the size of the game.

I think it's friggin boldness from UBI to really think that their customers should have an internet connection. At least, they could make contracts with major ISPs, and put vouchers for volume into the game boxes. Or, better, send USB sticks to every customer with every patch.

:confused:

[winny]

So how exactly does the money you pay BT end up in Ubi's pocket?

[cato_larsen]

Yep im with BT Option 1. But i always use up my entire 10GB quota. This would mean i go over by the size of the game.

Nobody forced me to be on this ISP package. Im unemployed at the moment, so i'm only eating 1 meal a day in order to afford to buy the game. BT Option 1 is cheapest for me. Cant afford to add more cost to my phone bill.

Hmm, could be that I am wrong but my download via steam for the russian version was way less than that. Even though it states in yuplay that it is 13 GB or so, I think it was more like 4 or 6 GB. Cannot remember now.

[Shrike_UK]

The costs dont end up in UBI's pocket, but due to the Epi debacle, the game was not release playable, so if i have to download the whole lot, then, whos fault is that?

Fact is, a game that shouldve been available on DVD is not really available on DVD anymore, and i cant change my ISP because i'm locked in a 1 year contract, i would have to pay to come out of it.

And its not my fault i havent got a job atm before im blamed for that too.
I just cant afford additional costs put on top of the price of the game.

[Tvrdi]

you must be kiddin me....so we all need to bleed because he doesnt have flat net....ahahaha

[Kikuchiyo]

The game is on the disc, but as soon as you are done installing from your physical copy steam will update it with the latest version. I highly doubt it will be a gb in size.

[Triggaaar]

Excuse me, but i have to pay £1 per GB that i download. I dont mind downloading 500MB patches, but i wanted to buy a DVD and install the Game, then patch it.I do see your point of view that when you install from a DVD then you shouldn't have to download the whole game. This obviously isn't a deliberate ploy though, it's just one of those things (the dev team are quite busy at the moment).

Yep im with BT Option 1. But i always use up my entire 10GB quota. This would mean i go over by the size of the game.I know your original post is complaing about Ubi etc, but lets ignore that for a second and try to help you with your problem. Change your ISP, they are charging you too much and providing you with too little. I pay less than you and have unlimited downloads and have never had a problem connecting. Do some research and change.

[Shrike_UK]

I think it's friggin boldness from UBI to really think that their customers should have an internet connection. At least, they could make contracts with major ISPs, and put vouchers for volume into the game boxes. Or, better, send USB sticks to every customer with every patch.

:confused:

Exactly, i mean, they require you to have an internet connection, thats another cost, and whos paying for it?

In this day and age pretty much everyone has internet, so thats not much an issue for me, i cannot afford afford a TV licence, so i rely on internet for entertainment and looking for jobs etc...

[tomandre81]

I think it's friggin boldness from UBI to really think that their customers should have an internet connection. At least, they could make contracts with major ISPs, and put vouchers for volume into the game boxes. Or, better, send USB sticks to every customer with every patch.

:confused:

We live in 2011. Do you know a person who owns a computer without having internet? People buy computers because they have internet so they can pay bills, watch news etc.
Even some places in the jungle of africa they have internet.
In some parts of the world there are not internet.
Some parts of world there is war, some other places not.
DEAL WITH IT and stop whining

[Moggy]

Get in contact with BT and tell them you're not happy with the current contract you have with them. If you do nothing...you'll end up with nothing.

[Shrike_UK]

The game is on the disc, but as soon as you are done installing from your physical copy steam will update it with the latest version. I highly doubt it will be a gb in size.

I hope this is so. Is this true? if so, then i wont have a problem, i just cant afford to download 10GB or more!

[cato_larsen]

I think also SimBin had the same issue with Race07 series. Buy the dvd and still download from Steam. I understand someones issues about this. I dont know the prices for flat, unlimited amount of up/downloads in U.K or anywhere but in Norway where I live.
I pay about £20 a month for 16MB down, and shitty upload, but I never upload or host much, sooo... Maybe it is expensive, but again. Norway is expensive.

[PeterPanPan]

Get in contact with BT and tell them you're not happy with the current contract you have with them. If you do nothing...you'll end up with nothing.

Absolutely right. If you are out of contract with them (i.e. last time you signed up to renew your package was more than 12 months ago, or possibly 18 months depending what you agreed) they'll bend over backwards to keep you. I got a brand new router and upgrade to my line/download speed from BT for free, just by asking. Also, I have gone over my 10GB limit a couple of times. They always send me a polite email telling me I've gone over my limit but explaining they are not going to charge for it.

[Shrike_UK]

Get in contact with BT and tell them you're not happy with the current contract you have with them. If you do nothing...you'll end up with nothing.

I was thinking about asking them if i can use the £10 for 1 month of unlimited downloads, so at least i can then go mad and download everything like crazy rather than pay per GB. But it whether they will let me do that then go back again to option 1 after 1 month is up.
Unfortunateley im still locked into the contract :(

All in all tho, its a load of unneccesary hassle, and money wasted really. money i cant really afford at the moment.

I been waiting for 7 years for this game eagerly. Even tho im super skint after being out of work for a long time after this recession hit, im determined to get the game and go hungry to do so. Luckily as its my birthday in 24 days time, my parents are getting me a GTX460 WOW!!! :D im so happy, its the best thing thats happened to me in an entire year to get IL2 and be able to play it. But hell, why oh why does there have to be so much extra cost and obstacles!.

[Kikuchiyo]

I was thinking about asking them if i can use the £10 for 1 month of unlimited downloads, so at least i can then go mad and download everything like crazy rather than pay per GB. But it whether they will let me do that then go back again to option 1 after 1 month is up.
Unfortunateley im still locked into the contract :(

All in all tho, its a load of unneccesary hassle, and money wasted really. money i cant really afford at the moment.

I been waiting for 7 years for this game eagerly. Even tho im super skint after being out of work for a long time after this recession hit, im determined to get the game and go hungry to do so. Luckily as its my birthday in 24 days time, my parents are getting me a GTX460 WOW!!! :D im so happy, its the best thing thats happened to me in an entire year to get IL2 and be able to play it. But hell, why oh why does there have to be so much extra cost and obstacles!.

Sounds like your ISP is ridiculous, but again you will not have to download the whole game if you have a physical copy. Just a patch, and if I recall correctly Steam client is even on the disc (according to UBI).

[Shrike_UK]

you must be kiddin me....so we all need to bleed because he doesnt have flat net....ahahaha

They should up the price another £50 just for you and see how you like it then. Rich boy.

[Shrike_UK]

Sounds like your ISP is ridiculous, but again you will not have to download the whole game if you have a physical copy. Just a patch, and if I recall correctly Steam client is even on the disc (according to UBI).

Well BT is actually very cheap, if you dont go over 10GB a month, which i never planned to.
And they have the most stable internet for gaming, comparing with my freinds connections that keep cutting out and fluctuating.

I hope i can install from disk then patch it. If so then i wont have a problem.

@Luthier can you comment on this please?

[Moggy]

Shrike, you're the customer...if you phone up BT remind them that it is this phonecall which will determine whether you'll stay a customer with them after your contract expires or not. Do some legwork and tell them about other offers from other companies such as Sky and Virgin Media interest you. Companies hate to be reminded of how good their competitors are. Also remind them how long you've been a BT customer...not just their internet service but phone service too.

[Gimpymoo]

YOUR OWN FAULT ENTIRELY FOR SIGNING UP TO A STUPID BROADBAND PACKAGE.

According to this page:

http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/consumerProducts/displayTopic.do?topicId=25633&tduid=0a21132673c3a2a5fa395893de235100&vendorid=TDG&s_cid=con_cic_aff_tradedoubler_vidTDG_broadband

Option 1, which you say you are on, is:

£14 per month for the package.
£10 per month MINIMUM for line rental.

Total:
£24 per month

For a 10GB allowance with £1 per GB charge after that...

YOUR OWN FAULT.

You obviously thought it was a good deal at some point else you wouldnt have signed up for it.

You must have money to waste.

There is a package for £18 (£4 more) than what you are paing which gives a 40GB allowance.

[PeterPanPan]

YOUR OWN FAULT ENTIRELY FOR SIGNING UP TO A STUPID BROADBAND PACKAGE.

That's a little harsh me thinks. The BT Broadband Option 1 package includes telephone line rental and free calls all weekend and weekday evenings I think. He's not paying £24 just for broadband.

[Shrike_UK]

One would think also that UBI need to be reminded of their better competitors. If it wasnt for them messing Maddox games around with the Epi filter, then the Game would have been finished. On DVD. And this additional cost of downloading wouldnt have been passed onto the paying customer.

Sure they have put out the fire of the Epi filter debacle, but lets not all jump to singing praise. The fire has simply been put out, now there is the smolderring wreck to repair.

[Shrike_UK]

YOUR OWN FAULT ENTIRELY FOR SIGNING UP TO A STUPID BROADBAND PACKAGE.

According to this page:

http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/consumerProducts/displayTopic.do?topicId=25633&tduid=0a21132673c3a2a5fa395893de235100&vendorid=TDG&s_cid=con_cic_aff_tradedoubler_vidTDG_broadband

Option 1, which you say you are on, is:

£14 per month for the package.
£10 per month MINIMUM for line rental.

Total:
£24 per month

For a 10GB allowance with £1 per GB charge after that...

YOUR OWN FAULT.

You obviously thought it was a good deal at some point else you wouldnt have signed up for it.

You must have money to waste.

There is a package for £18 (£4 more) than what you are paing which gives a 40GB allowance.

Sorry but you are wrong, i looked at all the opposition for a month or 2 before choosing them, as money was absoluteley critical aspect.

When i got my contract it locked me into paying 5.99 for internet per month. 10GB limit. Which was cheaper than all other opposition, plus you get free weekend and evening phone calls. Look at it now, its much more expensive, i would have to be mad to change ISP at the moment.

[Gimpymoo]

You get what you pay for then.

You wanted to pay as little as possible which is fine.

Do not then blame someone else when it is discovered the little you are paying does not give you a great service, complain to B.T!

[Shrike_UK]

You get what you pay for then.

You wanted to pay as little as possible which is fine.

Do not then blame someone else when it is discovered the little you are paying does not give you a great service, complain to B.T!

And BT will say, why didnt you just buy the game on DVD, and i will say, well, i wanted to, but UBI made a mistake blah blah, which ended up in the whole game needing to be downloaded online. And they will say, is that our problem? i will say, no, Its UBI's.

[Mingan]

I didn't know there are places where you can buy "pay for GB" connections. Even mobile phones have unlimited connection for like 3€ per month. 3G internet 10€ per month, no limit. Wired connection 20€ -> per month, no limit.

[Shrike_UK]

This thred has nothing to do with my internet connection, that is somewhat irrelevant.
Its about the cost being passed onto paying customers (And 1C), through other companies like ISPs.

Debatably, it is also selling a product thats retail price does not reflect the actual consumer cost (due to enforced additional cost above retail price), therefore. Its debatable, but i could take it to Trading Standards Agency. For selling a product at Retail price which is unfit for purpose on DVD. Which is more than likely why no shops are stocking it in the UK.

UBI should be lowerring their profit margin on the product to cover the cost associated with the extra months of work that was enforced on 1C.

Everything has cause and affect, theres no avoiding it.

At the end of the day, someone is paying for UBI's mistake, and it is YOU!.

So knock me as much as you like, blame it on my internet costs if you must take that shortsighted view, but realise this, i know the value of money. And so do UBI.

[kendo65]

I had some sympathy up to your last post, but this really is more about your Internet contract and its defects than anything else.

There is a problem. The devs and Ubi have come up with a solution. Internet is best way to distribute it.

File under 'Shit happens!'

[Vevster]

UBI should be lowerring their profit margin on the product to cover the cost associated with the extra months of work that was enforced on 1C.

Everything has cause and affect, theres no avoiding it.

At the end of the day, someone is paying for UBI's mistake, and it is YOU!.

So knock me as much as you like, blame it on my internet costs if you must take that shortsighted view, but realise this, i know the value of money. And so do UBI.

You don't know the value of money at all.

If Ubi charged the real cost of the game to you, you would pay far more.

Most games in 2011 are not profitable for editors, about 15%-20% of them are. That is including console games.
The ones that are profitable cover the costs of those who aren't. Or not. So sometimes editors make losses (complete P&L)

If an editor charged a price based on number of units sold, you would end up paying soem games several hundred euros or pounds.

[Komrad]

You don't know the value of money at all.

If Ubi charged the real cost of the game to you, you would pay far more.

Most games in 2011 are not profitable for editors, about 15%-20% of them are. That is including console games.
The ones that are profitable cover the costs of those who aren't. Or not. So sometimes editors make losses (complete P&L)

If an editor charged a price based on number of units sold, you would end up paying soem games several hundred euros or pounds.

If UBI started charging that much they would be out of business, so you see the OP does know the value of money and so does UBI for that matter.


Bryan.

[Moggy]

You do realise by continually posting you're eating away at your bandwidth limit which could be better served waiting for a patch etc.

Just a thought, carry on.

Oh and here's another thought. In your 1st post you said this "Excuse me, but i have to pay £1 per GB that i download. I dont mind downloading 500MB patches, but i wanted to buy a DVD and install the Game, then patch it. Are you telling me that on top of the £30 to buy the game, i have to pay an additional £10 or so to download it?"

So now, if you went and bought the game knowing you need to download a patch...UBI\1c\whoever you want to blame are no longer responsible...you are!

[Komrad]

You do realise by continually posting you're eating away at your bandwidth limit which could be better served waiting for a patch etc.

Just a thought, carry on.

The OP was complaining about GB's not KB's.


Bryan.

[Shrike_UK]

I had some sympathy up to your last post, but this really is more about your Internet contract and its defects than anything else.

There is a problem. The devs and Ubi have come up with a solution. Internet is best way to distribute it.

File under 'Shit happens!'

Well yeah i know shit happens, but i cant afford that shit. Recommended retail price is all i should pay is that not true?

[Wynthorpe]

Exactly, i mean, they require you to have an internet connection, thats another cost, and whos paying for it?

In this day and age pretty much everyone has internet, so thats not much an issue for me, i cannot afford afford a TV licence, so i rely on internet for entertainment and looking for jobs etc...

You need at TV License if you have the internet now i beleive.

[Sven]

Title is misleading and not true, can we end it?

[Shrike_UK]

You do realise by continually posting you're eating away at your bandwidth limit which could be better served waiting for a patch etc.

Just a thought, carry on.

Oh and here's another thought. In your 1st post you said this "Excuse me, but i have to pay £1 per GB that i download. I dont mind downloading 500MB patches, but i wanted to buy a DVD and install the Game, then patch it. Are you telling me that on top of the £30 to buy the game, i have to pay an additional £10 or so to download it?"

So now, if you went and bought the game knowing you need to download a patch...UBI\1c\whoever you want to blame are no longer responsible...you are!

500mb is a bit different from 13GB!!! ISP's do not like giving away that much. So why should we like having to use that much!. Not to mention the time taken to download. The fact that we all need to have or know of someone who has a credit card for Steam etc...

Can anyone confirm whether we can install from DVD then patch? Or if we have to download the whole lot?

[Shrike_UK]

and yes you are quite right, i now dont have enough money to buy the game. That i waited for for so long. and had saved up £30 for. which is all that was being asked of me.

Angry, yes of course, why shouldnt i be?

[Vevster]

If UBI started charging that much they would be out of business, so you see the OP does know the value of money and so does UBI for that matter.


Bryan.

Sure, they'd go out of business. Price of games is a market price, not built from cost + margin

No, he doesn't know the value, because he says Ubi should lower their margin in the current situation.

Thus, following this 'stupid) logic, they should increase it in other situations, to cover their own costs (for instance when they publish their own games).


V

[Moggy]

Why are you angry about something you don't even own? If it is that much of an issue for you, wait until you have enough bandwidth to patch it up. Besides no-ones knows what the western game is like at the moment because it doesn't activate until Thursday!
Read my signature.

[Shrike_UK]

You need at TV License if you have the internet now i beleive.

Not when i last filled in the exemption form for TV licence in December. Unless its changed very recently. In fact, they even tell you you can watch yesterdays programs on the internet on BBC iPlayer if you like. You just have to prove you have no Digital TV plugged in capable of recieving a signal. And i dont because my Sky+ box is broken and i have no Arial for Analogue TV.

[Hunin]

and yes you are quite right, i now dont have enough money to buy the game. That i waited for for so long. and had saved up £30 for. which is all that was being asked of me.

Angry, yes of course, why shouldnt i be?

It sounds like you have never used steam before so allow me to explain the case a little.
Steam synchronizes it's clients with the latest version of the game by automaticaly updating it at first chance.
It does so when new patches are made avaiable ( in fact if you don't pay attention whilst starting up you might not even realize one of your games has just been patched ) and during install.

What Luthier is saying is that because they plan on releasing patches even before or on the day that the game comes out in the west ( not only concerning the epi filer btw, they are working on a number of things to improve performance ) most of us westerners will never even see the version out in Russia at the moment - due to steam automaticaly downloading the patches during our first install.

Now if those patches will amount to 10 GB you still have a problem, but at the moment we have no reason to believe that.
You should be perfectly fine.

The whole procedure can be turned off for individual programs to your liking aswell. And of course it doesn't work if you set steam to offline mode ( not possible during install ).

Hope this gives a bit of clarity.

[Shrike_UK]

Why are you angry about something you don't even own? If it is that much of an issue for you, wait until you have enough bandwidth to patch it up. Besides no-ones knows what the western game is like at the moment because it doesn't activate until Thursday!
Read my signature.

Well it looks like at this rate i'll be downloading 6GB this month, Pause the download, and download 6 GB next month. Can you imagine how painful that will be waiting! :O

[Moggy]

If the patches amount to over 10 GB, I imagine a lot of people (including myself) will struggle. Somehow I doubt very much it'll be anywhere near that. We'll see on Thursday!
Imagine how painful it'd be if we were still on 56k modems!

[Shrike_UK]

It sounds like you have never used steam before so allow me to explain the case a little.
Steam synchronizes it's clients with the latest version of the game by automaticaly updating it at first chance.
It does so when new patches are made avaiable ( in fact if you don't pay attention whilst starting up you might not even realize one of your games has just been patched ) and during install.

What Luthier is saying is that because they plan on releasing patches even before or on the day that the game comes out in the west ( not only concerning the epi filer btw, they are working on a number of things to improve performance ) most of us westerners will never even see the version out in Russia at the moment - due to steam automaticaly downloading the patches during our first install.

Now if those patches will amount to 10 GB you still have a problem, but at the moment we have no reason to believe that.
You should be perfectly fine.

The whole procedure can be turned off for individual programs to your liking aswell. And of course it doesn't work if you set steam to offline mode ( not possible during install ).

Hope this gives a bit of clarity.

Thank you Hunin, yep im a regular steam user, i bought Race07 and all the series of that on steam, and Men of War on Steam only 2 months ago. fact is though, last time i downloaded Men of War Assualt Squad, i ended up paying an Extra £10 because it used up most of my monthly qouta, i simply cant afford to keep doing it. I dont see what the big deal is that everyone has to use steam nowadays and we cant just buy it in the shop on DVD. Its far easier and much less costly for some people.

And thanks for confirming it can be installed by DVD then patched via Steam, that is a BIG weight off my mind and i feel much happier thank you.

[Hunin]

Thank you Hunin, yep im a regular steam user, i bought Race07 and all the series of that on steam, and Men of War on Steam only 2 months ago. fact is though, last time i downloaded Men of War Assualt Squad, i ended up paying an Extra £10 because it used up most of my monthly qouta, i simply cant afford to keep doing it. I dont see what the big deal is that everyone has to use steam nowadays and we cant just buy it in the shop on DVD. Its far easier and much less costly for some people.

Oh my could have spared myself some typing :grin:

I think it boils down to two things:

a) Copy protection. Steam is crackable but it's more difficult then other systems and especialy the MP part of steam games is a pain for pirates

b) Revenue. The share of money going directly to the studio when distributing over steam is larger then the share they see from conventional publishing.

Other then that it's just practical because of autopatch and the integrated and perfectly good MP system that devs get for their game for free when using steam.

[Shrike_UK]

Oh my could have spared myself some typing :grin:

I think it boils down to two things:

a) Copy protection. Steam is crackable but it's more difficult then other systems and especialy the MP part of steam games is a pain for pirates

b) Revenue. The share of money going directly to the studio when distributing over steam is larger then the share they see from conventional publishing.

Other then that it's just practical because of autopatch and the integrated and perfectly good MP system that devs get for their game for free when using steam.

haha yes, thank you, thanks for confirming it can be installed by DVD then patched via Steam, that is a BIG weight off my mind and i feel much happier :D

Yeah im not a Steam hater, i know they exist tho, lol.

If i wrote a game, i would want to distribute via steam too, so much easier for the developers. and i can sit here being lazy in my chair without going out to the shops. lol.

My next task tho is to find somewhere that sells it on DVD lol.

[Creelers]

You will be able to install from the disk, then patch it.

[stanford]

Shrike - with respect - what are you plans in the future? Almost every single multiplayer game in existance has regular 100mb-1gb patches to fix bugs and add new features. Almost every game you can buy on DVD instantly requires a patch.

The simple point is this is not a problem you are going to face once, you are going to face it time and again.

Someone said it in this thread before, you need to get in touch with BT. It may be possible to end your contract early or change that contract to better suit your requirements. Call centre staff will help you if you go to them with the right attitude.

When time for your contract renewal, please do not stay with BT. There are vastly, vastly superior ISP's out there offering incredible service and value.

Take a look at https://www.bethere.co.uk

Excellent service, excellent value. Slightly more money, but you get what you pay for.

And regarding you being on 1 meal a day so you can play a computer game - crikey - not for me to tell you what to spend your money on but do check your priorities!!

[MD_Wild_Weasel]

You don't know the value of money at all.

If Ubi charged the real cost of the game to you, you would pay far more.

Most games in 2011 are not profitable for editors, about 15%-20% of them are. That is including console games.
The ones that are profitable cover the costs of those who aren't. Or not. So sometimes editors make losses (complete P&L)

If an editor charged a price based on number of units sold, you would end up paying soem games several hundred euros or pounds.

so how come you can buy this game from russia as a download at a fraction of the cost? 365rubles about 14dollars/pounds

[MD_Wild_Weasel]

btw, just to let you know, i have gladly paid 50pounds for the collectors edition, no doubt this will increase thrice fold with the eventual release of add-on packs ,as i did with forgotton battles/1946 etc purely because i think the game is worth it.

[swiss]

you must be kiddin me....so we all need to bleed because he doesnt have flat net....ahahaha

Maybe the British phonelines are still damaged from the war.

[swiss]

btw, just to let you know, i have gladly paid 50pounds for the collectors edition, no doubt this will increase thrice fold with the eventual release of add-on packs ,as i did with forgotton battles/1946 etc purely because i think the game is worth it.

Different market, different purchasing power, different MSRP. ;)

[Baron]

so how come you can buy this game from russia as a download at a fraction of the cost? 365rubles about 14dollars/pounds


Paying 50 euros for CoD if u live in Russia would be the same as u paying some where around 200 euros where u live now.

[Letum]

I wish to complain about the cost of the petrol I needed to buy to drive to the shop and buy the game.

[MD_Wild_Weasel]

Paying 50 euros for CoD if u live in Russia would be the same as u paying some where around 200 euros where u live now.

thats beside the point.

[Wurschtie]

This is normal. It's about the average income in a country. prices are adapted to that. But it's kind of ok. Customers pay less, companies earn less, but the people paid by the companies earn less to. It's about scale. Don't compare apples with oranges disguised as bananas.

[BRIGGBOY]

i wish to complain about the cost of the petrol i needed to buy to drive to the shop and buy the game.

lol.

[Shrike_UK]

You will be able to install from the disk, then patch it.

Thank you!

@Stanford, thanks for the tip on that ISP. Im currently changing career (from being a senior software developer to something much less stressful) so i will eventually be able to get myself back on uncapped internet. I'm not a treehugging vigilante :D. I just have no spare cash available, and dont see why i should meet the cost for poor management of the publishing side of things.

Of course, if i was not so skint i would prob just say oh well never mind, but its only when your skint that you really realise whos paying what in this world and how the economics works.

Well, i'm for one , very releived if i can find it in the shops, saved me a few bob. pardon the pun, haha

[MD_Wild_Weasel]

This is normal. It's about the average income in a country. prices are adapted to that. But it's kind of ok. Customers pay less, companies earn less, but the people paid by the companies earn less to. It's about scale. Don't compare apples with oranges disguised as bananas.

Oh i see, so ubi needs to stick a "fair trade" sticker on the box then?

[Vevster]

thats beside the point.

No, it perfectly answers your question.

The price of games is not a price calculated from expenses incurred.
It's a market price. "Acceptable by the customer" price, if you wish.

All games are far from having the same development & other direct (marketing for instance) costs. But in the same country, they have similar price. Only the retailers make it vary much by adjusting their own margin.

[Shrike_UK]

oh i see, so ubi needs to stick a "fair trade" sticker on the box then?

lol

[Vevster]

Oh i see, so ubi needs to stick a "fair trade" sticker on the box then?

So do Apple, NVidia, AMD, Intel, ASUS, Mercedes, BMW, Ford and countless others....