To luthier

[Tree_UK]

Luthier, myself and many others asked on many occasions to see some actual 'in game' footage before the game was released with sound. For what ever reason yourself and Oleg didn't seem to want us to see in game stuff, you prefered to show us movies instead.
Anyhow now its all out in the open could you show us some of the tracks you recorded before you applied the anti epilepsy filter, this would give us some hope that when you have fixed the game it will run at acceptable frames rates and will most likely stop people cancelling thier pre-orders which obviously isn't good for you finacially which in turn isn't good for us flight simmers.
This simple task of showing us how it should of been will bring us all great hope, and we can then order our game safe in the knowledge than when fixed it will be great.

Many Thanks.

[No601_Merlin]

well said

[kendo65]

Here's a radical re-interpretation of the current situation.

There is a possibility that we are over-reacting by mistakenly putting 2 issues together that are not as related as they first appear.

The facts so far:

We know from luthier that the epi thing causes reduced fps
we know that some people on the Russian forum had issues.

Here's the possibility:

The Epi thing causes a fps hit – and wipes out the SLI crowd, as acknowledged by Luthier, but the main reason for the rash of initial low fps dis-satisfaction is more down to people making bad set-up choices in the (very) early days (actually - hours and minutes) of a new release. Took me a few days to get old il-2 looking and running well when I first got it.

For evidence - check out Buzzsaw's thread and some new postings from Nike-it - People being told to turn off dynamic weather!!? and reduce the buildings and trees settings a little, then getting decent results.

In this scenario, Luthier’s post isn’t the mea culpa for releasing a game that won’t run at all, that we’ve all taken it to be. It’s an acknowledgement of an issue that is detrimental but not the main reason for the initial wailing.

Let’s wait at least to the end of the first day to see what develops.

I rate all this as an outside possibility at this point, and I’m not going back to my Mr Happy avatar just yet, but there is a chance that we have over-reacted a little too quickly as this whole doom-mongering thing has snowballed.

[TallBonapart]

People who played the game (russians) saying in they forums that COD is epicfail of the century:cool:That the game is "raw",unoptimized and unplayable even on hi end hardware,that something fundamentally wrong with game engine,and the story with "anti-epilepsy stuff" its just the smoke screen from MG.So guys,be ready for some "shock therapy" on next Friday;)

[Vasilj_Mitu]

... could you show us some of the tracks you recorded before you applied the anti epilepsy filter...


hmmm... what if someone gets a seizure just by watching the unfiltered video?

[1.JaVA_Sharp]

(OK - got rid of that bloody avatar!)

Was going to post this on the epi thread, but here seems better.

Here's a radical re-interpretation of the current situation. (I can hear the chuckles already, but hang with me for a second)

There is a possibility that we are over-reacting by mistakenly putting 2 issues together that are not as related as they first appear.

The facts so far:

We know from luthier that the epi thing causes reduced fps

we know that some people on the Russian forum had issues.


Here's the possibility:

The Epi thing causes a fps hit – and wipes out the SLI crowd, as acknowledged by Luthier, but the main reason for the rash of initial low fps dis-satisfaction is more down to people making bad set-up choices in the (very) early days (actually - hours and minutes) of a new release. Took me a few days to get old il-2 looking and running well when I first got it.

For evidence - check out Buzzsaw's thread and some new postings from Nike-it - People being told to turn off dynamic weather!!? and reduce the buildings and trees settings a little, then getting decent results.

In this scenario, Luthier’s post isn’t the mea culpa for releasing a game that won’t run at all, that we’ve all taken it to be. It’s an acknowledgement of an issue that is detrimental but not the main reason for the initial wailing.

Let’s wait at least to the end of the first day to see what develops.

I rate all this as an outside possibility at this point, and I’m not going back to my Mr Happy avatar just yet, but there is a chance that we have over-reacted a little too quickly as this whole doom-mongering thing has snowballed.

finally a post that makes REAL sense. I have the same feeling.

[JG52Krupi]

Welcome back to reality kendo, how was your excursion into Trees whacky world of assumptions and baseless facts?

[Bowtome]

What happens if the game is so good that they can't stop playing it even when their lightbulb starts to flicker and induces a fit.

What if I love the game so much that I don't get much sleep and then fall asleep at the wheel of my car the next day, can my wife sue UBI.

It is all rollox, put a big warning sign on the package as rides do at funfairs etc

[Kankkis]

(OK - got rid of that bloody avatar!)

Was going to post this on the epi thread, but here seems better.

Here's a radical re-interpretation of the current situation. (I can hear the chuckles already, but hang with me for a second)

There is a possibility that we are over-reacting by mistakenly putting 2 issues together that are not as related as they first appear.

The facts so far:

We know from luthier that the epi thing causes reduced fps

we know that some people on the Russian forum had issues.


Here's the possibility:

The Epi thing causes a fps hit – and wipes out the SLI crowd, as acknowledged by Luthier, but the main reason for the rash of initial low fps dis-satisfaction is more down to people making bad set-up choices in the (very) early days (actually - hours and minutes) of a new release. Took me a few days to get old il-2 looking and running well when I first got it.

For evidence - check out Buzzsaw's thread and some new postings from Nike-it - People being told to turn off dynamic weather!!? and reduce the buildings and trees settings a little, then getting decent results.

In this scenario, Luthier’s post isn’t the mea culpa for releasing a game that won’t run at all, that we’ve all taken it to be. It’s an acknowledgement of an issue that is detrimental but not the main reason for the initial wailing.

Let’s wait at least to the end of the first day to see what develops.

I rate all this as an outside possibility at this point, and I’m not going back to my Mr Happy avatar just yet, but there is a chance that we have over-reacted a little too quickly as this whole doom-mongering thing has snowballed.

That's true, i bought A-10 and tuned my graphics options for days to find balanced settings. Same thing on all sims, RoF&FSX and so on....

Kankkis

[Tree_UK]

Welcome back to reality kendo, how was your excursion into Trees whacky world of assumptions and baseless facts?

Yes, odd isn't it. I predicted the game would run badly, and it does. whacky or what!!

[addman]

Yes, odd isn't it. I predicted the game would run badly, and it does. whacky or what!!

Have YOU played it yet? If you haven't you're making assumptions. See how easy that was.;)

[Tree_UK]

Have YOU played it yet? If you haven't you're making assumptions. See how easy that was.;)

Oh yeah, I guess that I am assuming all the dissatisfied customers on the Russian forum are not lying - you are assuming they are. My money is on me.

[mazex]

(OK - got rid of that bloody avatar!)

Was going to post this on the epi thread, but here seems better.

Here's a radical re-interpretation of the current situation. (I can hear the chuckles already, but hang with me for a second)

There is a possibility that we are over-reacting by mistakenly putting 2 issues together that are not as related as they first appear.

The facts so far:

We know from luthier that the epi thing causes reduced fps

we know that some people on the Russian forum had issues.


Here's the possibility:

The Epi thing causes a fps hit – and wipes out the SLI crowd, as acknowledged by Luthier, but the main reason for the rash of initial low fps dis-satisfaction is more down to people making bad set-up choices in the (very) early days (actually - hours and minutes) of a new release. Took me a few days to get old il-2 looking and running well when I first got it.

For evidence - check out Buzzsaw's thread and some new postings from Nike-it - People being told to turn off dynamic weather!!? and reduce the buildings and trees settings a little, then getting decent results.

In this scenario, Luthier’s post isn’t the mea culpa for releasing a game that won’t run at all, that we’ve all taken it to be. It’s an acknowledgement of an issue that is detrimental but not the main reason for the initial wailing.

Let’s wait at least to the end of the first day to see what develops.

I rate all this as an outside possibility at this point, and I’m not going back to my Mr Happy avatar just yet, but there is a chance that we have over-reacted a little too quickly as this whole doom-mongering thing has snowballed.

+1 - and I just don't get it why Ilya should even mention the epilepsy thing before the first waves have settled. What possible good could that do? There are many over at the russian forums that seem rather content, and besides there seems to be a conf.ini setting to disable the epilepsy filter. There are other problems that for sure can be tuned and patched rather quickly as they for sure did not release a game that stutters on all PC:s That would be complete suicide. As usual it's the ones with problems that post first, while the other ones are playing or working!

[JG52Krupi]

Have YOU played it yet? If you haven't you're making assumptions. See how easy that was.;)

Thank you addman, he clearly didn't get my point.

Also the variation in computer setups always causes issues for someone, why do you think consoles do so well developers and producers like them as they don't have to optimise the game for a 1000000 different setups....

[addman]

Oh yeah, I guess that I am assuming all the dissatisfied customers on the Russian forum are not lying - you are assuming they are. My money is on me.

Didn't answer my question, you're still making assumptions LOL!

[Codex]

...For evidence - check out Buzzsaw's thread and some new postings from Nike-it - People being told to turn off dynamic weather!!? and reduce the buildings and trees settings a little, then getting decent results...

And I think that sentence is reason behind this whole uproar ( well it is for me ), why should we have to "turn things down"?

The epi excuse is a smoke screen ... case in point: I've just bought the entire Splinter Cell series, the series is developed in house by UBI and is one of it's main signature game titles. Splinter Cell - Conviction was released in 2010 and it obviously passed UBI's epi screening process. My 2 x 5870 Crossfire set up works just fine when playing the game, with the eye candy turn up full.

So this whole thing about having to implement an epi filter which is disabling SLI/Crossfire is beginning to look more and more like a cover-up. Also there is no legal requirement to implement such a filter. The only legal requirement is to place a warning label on the product, that's it.

[Tree_UK]

+1 - and I just don't get it why Ilya should even mention the epilepsy thing before the first waves have settled. What possible good could that do? There are many over at the russian forums that seem rather content, and besides there seems to be a conf.ini setting to disable the epilepsy filter. There are other problems that for sure can be tuned and patched rather quickly as they for sure did not release a game that stutters on all PC:s That would be complete suicide. As usual it's the ones with problems that post first, while the other ones are playing or working!

I hope your right Mazex, I also read about the conf.ini fix but many reprted the fix doesn't work.

[addman]

I have to say, I have never heard of anything like an epilepsy-filter. If there is one, shouldn't all games have them?

[mazex]

Yes, odd isn't it. I predicted the game would run badly, and it does. whacky or what!!

Well, I was your friend over at the anti epilepsy hysteria thread but that was a few minutes ago so... ;)

I think we ALL predicted rather bad performance at the release - the question is how to handle that? If we all run around in circles blaming everything, cancelling our pre-orders etc - what good will that do? Let's all buy this game and help correct the performance issues and bugs as fast as possible just as many of us did with RoF - as this is the best WWII sim we will get for many years? Or what else? Do you want this title to succeed? Really?

[zapatista]

Yes, odd isn't it. I predicted the game would run badly, and it does. whacky or what!!

your a turd tree, and you should have been perm banned from here years ago because your motives and behavior will never change, your only ever sprouting negative crap about this sim

its obvious to all that bother looking that you are now also making posts in several forums how you rejoice in the problems reported by the ubi filter debacle. not that the epilepsy filter problems are in any way relevant to good/bad the actual CoD sim is (which is great by all indications), but to you any problems reported with the sim are a reason for joy, its a twisted perverted mental state you are locked into

[Tree_UK]

your a turd tree, and you should have been perm banned from here years ago because your motives and behavior will never change, your only ever sprouting negative crap about this sim

its obvious to all that bother looking that you are now also making posts in several forums how you rejoice in the problems reported by the ubi filter debacle. not that the epilepsy filter problems are in any way relevant to good/bad the actual CoD sim is (which is great by all indications), but to you any problems reported with the sim are a reason for joy, its a twisted perverted mental state you are locked into

lol :grin::grin: thanks for that my comedy chum.

[jimbop]

The Epi thing causes a fps hit – and wipes out the SLI crowd, as acknowledged by Luthier, but the main reason for the rash of initial low fps dis-satisfaction is more down to people making bad set-up choices in the (very) early days (actually - hours and minutes) of a new release. Took me a few days to get old il-2 looking and running well when I first got it.

For evidence - check out Buzzsaw's thread and some new postings from Nike-it - People being told to turn off dynamic weather!!? and reduce the buildings and trees settings a little, then getting decent results.

Yeah, exactly what I am hoping. Haven't cancelled my pre-order yet for this reason. Let's wait a day or two for some decent vids to emerge. I bet there will be a settings combination that works acceptably for most systems in the short term. Then let the patches sort things out properly in the coming months.

[Tree_UK]

Well, I was your friend over at the anti epilepsy hysteria thread but that was a few minutes ago so... ;)

I think we ALL predicted rather bad performance at the release - the question is how to handle that? If we all run around in circles blaming everything, cancelling our pre-orders etc - what good will that do? Let's all buy this game and help correct the performance issues and bugs as fast as possible just as many of us did with RoF - as this is the best WWII sim we will get for many years? Or what else? Do you want this title to succeed? Really?

Well ive not cancelled my order, I will be buying the game no matter what. I have never asked people to not buy it, I have however questioned quite severly the updates that we should of seen and never have, i could only put this down to the game running bad, and i was very vocal about it. As you know i have been rubbished many times on this forum and was repeatedly told Oleg wont let us down, he will have a big surprise for us, the sounds will be fantastic. Well i guess the rest is history....

[Codex]

your a turd tree, and you should have been perm banned from here years ago because your motives and behavior will never change, your only ever sprouting negative crap about this sim

its obvious to all that bother looking that you are now also making posts in several forums how you rejoice in the problems reported by the ubi filter debacle. not that the epilepsy filter problems are in any way relevant to good/bad the actual CoD sim is (which is great by all indications), but to you any problems reported with the sim are a reason for joy, its a twisted perverted mental state you are locked into

While Tree can come across as morbid about many things relating to this sim, he is entitled to his opinion and to voice that opinion. The day people get banned for voicing an opinion is the day forums become nothing more than a dictatorship and meaningless.

Sorry dude but Tree is not forcing me, you or anyone to accept his opinion. You come here voluntarily to share a common interest in IL-2, so you must accept that others here are not always going to see things your way, its comes with being a forum member.

Besides Tree can be amusing at times ... ;)

[mazex]

Well ive not cancelled my order, I will be buying the game no matter what.

Good to hear! Just as I thought...

[kendo65]

Didn't expect to find people in agreement with me. Thought I'd be laughed off the forum to be honest.

All I'm really saying is 'give it a day' - one whole day. See what transpires.

and my adoption of Tree's (new temporary) avatar was part of a little running joke we've been having for the last few days. That's not to say that i'm convinced he'll be proved wrong at the end of all this, though obviously I hope that will be the case. :)

[Devastat]

I think it is just plain stupid to constantly "paint devils on the walls" so to speak at this stage (hear me Tree?). It is definitely possible that the game will be having lots of bugs, as well as it might be having performance problems with lots of people not having top-notch hardware, but that's the case with lots of games out there.

At least with this game there is an incredible dev team that will support the development of this game, and I have a full trust on them that all the issues that might be involved with this game currently will be fixed eventually. It wont be like the case with Silent Hunter V (few patches and then gone with the sinking ship).

This might sound ironic, but perhaps they are forced to release CoD too soon (like with many games), but in the end i'd rather have it this way than wait another year with a top notch product. But it will all be fixed eventually and it will be a great game, but offcourse it might take some time..

[JG52Krupi]

When I launch the game next week and find virtually no problems with it, it's going to take a lot of effort not to sink to your level and rub your face in it Tree.

[=XIII=Shea]

IMOH Tree is exactly right in what he said

[Tree_UK]

When I launch the game next week and find virtually no problems with it, it's going to take a lot of effort not to sink to your level and rub your face in it Tree.

God mate, feel free i will be encouraging you to do so. :grin:

[Tree_UK]

your a turd tree, and you should have been perm banned from here years ago because your motives and behavior will never change, your only ever sprouting negative crap about this sim

its obvious to all that bother looking that you are now also making posts in several forums how you rejoice in the problems reported by the ubi filter debacle. not that the epilepsy filter problems are in any way relevant to good/bad the actual CoD sim is (which is great by all indications), but to you any problems reported with the sim are a reason for joy, its a twisted perverted mental state you are locked into

i am canceling my order as well till this is solved

the only hopeful solution i see for this is that for the russian market they will make this filter optional (or remove it completely) and put a warning on the box etc ... we can then download it online from russia, or buy it from a russian amazone site etc..

one issue people havnt mentioned in this thread yet, those in danger of having epilepsy induced are most likely people who dont yet know they have the condition or that they are predisposed to it (since epileptics generally will be told to avoid anything that involves rapidly alternating bright lights etc..).secondly, even "normal" people who are not epileptic can have epilepsy (or migraine etc) induced in them if you just expose them long enough to severe enough of a visual irritation of the right type (be this from games or other flashing lights etc).

point being: with these pc games (and movies etc) it is not a bad thing to have the game creators and programmers being made aware of some of these issues so that they take account of it where possible (meaning we might have slightly uglier prop spin, rather then more realistic ones that have an increased risk to them). and in the same way games/movies are screened by national censors for content and age rating, games could be screened for "epilepsy inducing rating" so that the worst visual effects that might be a problem are toned down.

sadly this is not how the risk reduction is being implemented, ubi seems to have located some half baked idea and is blanket implementing on all its products, even if it kills the game itself. dont have any illusions, ubi will not do anything to solve this (given their previous total disregard of customer interests, even if it completely kills a game series). our only hope is for oleg's crew to find a work around for the russian market, and us somehow getting a hold of that product line

meanwhile cancel all your orders and hit ubi in the only place they care, the sales revenue. buying directly from oleg in russia probably also significantly increases oleg's profit margin on the sale, so its supporting him in trying to find a solution

Seems you have lost faith my little friend, Im still buying it.

[Cpt Dremmen]

Oh god...

[Robert]

http://www.epilepsy.org.uk/campaigns/lobbying/video-games


Here's an interesting article detailing the history of the epilepsy problem as it faces game companies.


I'm not sure if this filter was to be implemented by 1C or not. Being a Russian company the regulations may be different. UBI has voluntarily used the testing method for a while and according to the article has edited out the offending effects. I'm also not sure if it was a standing order for all develpoers to employ the epilepsy filter.

Here's the issue at hand and why UBI has decided to go the route they do.

"Most video games carry some warning somewhere on their packaging that refers to epilepsy. These warnings are a voluntary measure by video games manufacturers to try and keep gamers safe. These warnings are all very well – provided you know that you have PSE. Unfortunately – as in the case of Gaye’s son – not everybody does.
Gaye says: “Three quarters of people – 76 per cent – won’t know that they have PSE until something triggers a seizure.”"

[JG52Krupi]

God mate, feel free i will be encouraging you to do so. :grin:

Lol, well if I promise to refrain if I'm right could you extend the same courtesy to me if it turns out that you were the one that's right?

I do think that you should at least word your posts in a less aggressive way.. You have rubbed a lot if people the wrong way.

P.S. I'm thankful that nuggetx is not on this board, he makes your post look constructive..

[whatnot]

So much anxiety, millions of questions, tons of rumors, rivers of tears but very little facts.

I really hoping that someone from the dev team would step in today and set the record straight before we all go mental and our collective frustration creates a nuclear explosion of some sort.

These details would put atleast my mind at ease:
1) Video showing how it runs on a med-high pc without the epileptic filter
2) Video showing how it runs on the same box with the epileptic filter
3) Current plans and preliminary schedules to fix the issues
4) Information if there are any ways to workaround the filter (russian version or whatever)

Not too much to ask as the core customer base seems to be in crisis!

[sfmadmax]

This forum will never stop to amaze me.

First it was hype and eagerness for a new title.

--- Then the release date was announced.

Weeks of Nerd Rage because the game was going to be released via Steam.

--- Game Releases , a few louzy vids (less than 10 - 15 seconds are posted) from users with mediocre HW

Now the Nerd Rage has everyone is bitching up a storm about a filter that reduces FPS. Because they can't play on max detail..

Turn up Armed Assault 2 on Max detail and view distance and go post your nerd rage comments on their forum because you can't see a tank 4 miles out. Mabye it looks like a dot in the screen. hah..

Regardless I'll be supporting the team and playing / enjoying the game.

I'm laughing at all the ppl canceling preorders. EveryGame has problems during release, are we not forgetting the original IL2. and eventually the bugs were worked out of that.

[zapatista]

ahh tree switching to being hypocritical and claiming suddenly to be lilly white when it suits him

" I told you so thread" by tree-up at simhq.com
Is it to early for this, or should i wait a week or two??

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3244297/I_told_you_so_thread.html#Post3244297

he posted that crap once the reports of the ubi epilepsy filter problems were coming in, even when nothing much was known about the content and quality of the game itself

predictably, tree was simply rejoicing at problems being reported

[furbs]

maybe all that will be in this weeks update? :)

we are getting a update this week right?

will the update video be running on a pre-screws-up-your-fps-sli-old build?

[Sternjaeger]

..Tree, you're pathetic.. how old are you btw?

[Tree_UK]

ahh tree switching to being hypocritical and claiming suddenly to be lilly white when it suits him



http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3244297/I_told_you_so_thread.html#Post3244297

he posted that crap once the reports of the ubi epilepsy filter problems were coming in, even when nothing much was known about the content and quality of the game itself

predictably, tree was simply rejoicing at problems being reported

Yes, but im not asking people to cancel their orders, what do you think is going to be more damaging to 1C, me saying i told you so, or you inciting people to cancel their orders. Think on.

[1.JaVA_Sharp]

maybe all that will be in this weeks update? :)

we are getting a update this week right?

will the update video be running on a pre-screws-up-your-fps-sli-old build?

wait and see

[Tree_UK]

..Tree, you're pathetic.. how old are you btw?

Does being pathetic have an age restriction?

[swiss]

Gaye says: “Three quarters of people – 76 per cent – won’t know that they have PSE until something triggers a seizure.”"


76% of 0.5% of the population.

They also mention 90% of the population have at least one seizure in their life, but usually it's too short to notice or remember.

Huh? How do they get these numbers if neither the people around nor the affected person notices it?

[Sternjaeger]

Does being pathetic have an age restriction?

no, but being young would be a valid justification..

[Tree_UK]

no, but being young would be a valid justification..

In that case i am 2.

[Devastat]

To refresh this conversation interesting new video:
Intel core 2 Duo E8400, 2Gb RAM, HD4850, low setting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7YZBeJ2X3U

[Cpt Dremmen]

does that mean he has his head in his bottom?







BRILLIANT!!!


OH AND TOLD YOU SO;)

[zapatista]

Yep........... me saying i told you so, .........

good, so you'r starting to owe up at last to your deliberate negativity in the last few years ? and you'r now openly owing up to being happy about the epilepsy filter debacle ?

usually you go from being ignorant and negative, to being rude and sprouting nonsense, and then when being called out on some of the specifics you start slithering back and trying to back out



/me waits for tree's slithering and backtracking to start

[zapatista]

Huh? How do they get these numbers if neither the people around nor the affected person notices it?

thats what science and stats are for :)

there are specific statistical methods you can use to get a representable sample of the rest of the population from (and that sample group is the one you closely investigate and monitor), and then extrapolate your findings to the general population

[CharveL]

I applaud Tree because all he has to do is word things with a negative connotation and the fish just jump into his net. In fact, it's spawned a couple more attention whores around here who see the attention he gets but Tree is still much better at getting to the really uptight ones.

He eats quite well.

[B25Mitch]

I haven't been in these forums for too long, so I assume that everyone's issue with Tree is that he's constantly critical of CoD?

That aside, he seems to put up rather well with the constant flaming he recieves.

[CharveL]

I haven't been in these forums for too long, so I assume that everyone's issue with Tree is that he's constantly critical of CoD?

That aside, he seems to put up rather well with the constant flaming he recieves.

Of course he does. That's really his goal and means of entertainment while we wait for the game.

[choctaw111]

Mazex, myself and some others are serious performance enthusiasts who have dedicated countless hours to find ways to squeeze the most performance out of Il2, experimenting with different settings through the GPU, CPU and conf.ini, which we have freely shared with the community.
The same will be with Cliffs of Dover.
Just give us some time.
Some of these people are at work right now to solve whatever performance issues there are. I have to wait a few more weeks till I get it here in the US but rest assured that I will get to work as soon as I get it and post my findings.

[carguy_]

So much anxiety, millions of questions, tons of rumors, rivers of
These details would put atleast my mind at ease:
1) Video showing how it runs on a med-high pc without the epileptic filter
2) Video showing how it runs on the same box with the epileptic filter
3) Current plans and preliminary schedules to fix the issues
4) Information if there are any ways to workaround the filter (russian version or whatever)

Not too much to ask as the core customer base seems to be in crisis!

Oh yes please. I`m waiting for the end-user flicks just like with Crysis2. Won`t buy a game that runs 15fps on medium, filter or no filter.
I`m not saying that the filter issue can`t be a cover up cuz it can. We haven`t heard any clarification from Ubisoft yet. It doesn`t matter much though. First off I bet my money on 1C because 90% that they`ve screwed up with IL2 they have fixed. On the other hand there is Ubi, which constantly misses customer communication, ruins entire games (SH5 for one), makes very bad publisher decisions (like Starforce). So I don`t have any reason to assume as Tree does, that this is all 1C`s fault.

In the end it doesn`t really matter, because both of them suffer. I won`t buy an unplayable game. Playing the title at a steady 40fps on medium is all I care for. And if it gets unrealistic with the filter on, then I won`t be buying that either.

45€ for a broken game? No thanks!

[JG52Uther]

I shall buy it on the day of release in the UK.
The problems will be fixed,and people saying they are not buying it put the future of the sim in doubt.
Tree, you're a tit,but at least you are buying the game! ;)

[Tree_UK]

I shall buy it on the day of release in the UK.
The problems will be fixed,and people saying they are not buying it put the future of the sim in doubt.
Tree, you're a tit,but at least you are buying the game! ;)

lol, Why thank you sir. :grin:

[Moggy]

I shall buy it on the day of release in the UK.
The problems will be fixed,and people saying they are not buying it put the future of the sim in doubt.
Tree, you're a tit,but at least you are buying the game! ;)

Hear hear.

[whatnot]

I shall buy it on the day of release in the UK.

I changed my mind. Who am I kidding, I can't resist buying this on day of release even if it would run 1 FPS. Come what may and kudost to the dev team for reaching this far in the neverending project!

If it's sluggish, I trust someone will fix it eventually!

Hallelujah!