View Full Version : Oleg, Luthier, you need to give UBI a damn good bollocking.
I'm sorry but they are doing nothing to help sell your sim, in fact I'd go as far to say that they are actively damaging your sales with their complete incompetence regarding information and release.
You have a contract with them one would assume and we all know contracts work both ways so please, get on the phone and tell UBI to get a grib and sort it out.
We are two and a half weeks from release and we are still getting conflicting information in all areas and it looks ridiculous.
DRM, first it was TAGES, then it was Solidshield, now with added Steam. Which is it?
How about some positive information on release? Colectors editions in countries other than the UK? Normal boxed copies? Steam release schedules? Availability of boxed copies from sources other than UBI?
If the March 25th release is genuine as we have been told then why on earth is this information not forthcoming from UBI? Are they your publisher in the west or not?
If I was about to launch the results of a 5 or 6 year project that I wanted to be a success I'd be utterly livid with UBI's lacklustre and frankly pathetic handling of the situation.
Somebody over at UBI needs a damn good kick up the backside or are they just regurgitaing what they've been told and it's all down to your department? Something I find difficult to believe given your confirmed worldwide release in 18 days.
JG53Frankyboy
03-07-2011, 11:29 AM
steam........................................... i hate it !!
pitty to need it :(
blampars
03-07-2011, 11:34 AM
I love steam, I was happy to hear it would be involved.
I do agree that we should have more information at this point, but I'm just holding my breath that it all comes out sooner than later.
The Kraken
03-07-2011, 11:42 AM
I'm not enthusiastic about Steam, but so far it's worked fine with me. What I don't get is why, again, there are several layers of DRM thrown into the mix by Ubi. And I agree with Dano that they are acting incredibly amateurish, again. I.e. when they act at all.
From the release side this is a mess, just as I was afraid of since Ubi was confirmed as the publisher.
DD_crash
03-07-2011, 11:46 AM
I'm sorry but they are doing nothing to help sell your sim, in fact I'd go as far to say that they are actively damaging your sales with their complete incompetence regarding information and release.
You have a contract with them one would assume and we all know contracts work both ways so please, get on the phone and tell UBI to get a grib and sort it out.
If I was about to launch the results of a 5 or 6 year project that I wanted to be a success I'd be utterly livid with UBI's lacklustre and frankly pathetic handling of the situation.
Somebody over at UBI needs a damn good kick up the backside or are they just regurgitaing what they've been told and it's all down to your department? Something I find difficult to believe given your confirmed worldwide release in 18 days.
This is what we all feared would happen when we knew it was Ubi. IF Ubi cant/wont release the collectors edition the maybe 1C might be allowed to ship them world wide.
TallBonapart
03-07-2011, 12:20 PM
They should be happy that they have western publisher at all,not to mention major one.Because most of the publishers nowadays,avoiding simulation genre games,like a plague.
The Kraken
03-07-2011, 12:26 PM
Not much of an advantage to have a major western publisher if that publisher doesn't care about the release.
Will we be able to purchase and download Cliffs of dover through steam?
Baron
03-07-2011, 01:24 PM
I'm sorry but they are doing nothing to help sell your sim, in fact I'd go as far to say that they are actively damaging your sales with their complete incompetence regarding information and release.
You have a contract with them one would assume and we all know contracts work both ways so please, get on the phone and tell UBI to get a grib and sort it out.
We are two and a half weeks from release and we are still getting conflicting information in all areas and it looks ridiculous.
DRM, first it was TAGES, then it was Solidshield, now with added Steam. Which is it?
How about some positive information on release? Colectors editions in countries other than the UK? Normal boxed copies? Steam release schedules? Availability of boxed copies from sources other than UBI?
If the March 25th release is genuine as we have been told then why on earth is this information not forthcoming from UBI? Are they your publisher in the west or not?
If I was about to launch the results of a 5 or 6 year project that I wanted to be a success I'd be utterly livid with UBI's lacklustre and frankly pathetic handling of the situation.
Somebody over at UBI needs a damn good kick up the backside or are they just regurgitaing what they've been told and it's all down to your department? Something I find difficult to believe given your confirmed worldwide release in 18 days.
+10000
Usually i try not to tell people what to do but this i find very hard not to agree with.
Everything is....wierd, to say the least.
This is exactly the things that gave me a massive headache when RoF was released, and still do even thinking "RoF" (doesnt matter how many things get fixed 12 months later) Im just put off and move on to other things.
addman
03-07-2011, 01:49 PM
I'm not bothered to care anymore. It's a miracle if this game will be on store shelves this month. Also I saw the release date at bootstep now is 30/3, http://www.boostep.fi/product_info.php?products_id=375890. LOL! This is turning into a major farce. I feel sooo sorry for Oleg and the team, I really do.
Biggs
03-07-2011, 02:08 PM
I'm not bothered to care anymore. It's a miracle if this game will be on store shelves this month. Also I saw the release date at bootstep now is 30/3, http://www.boostep.fi/product_info.php?products_id=375890. LOL! This is turning into a major farce. I feel sooo sorry for Oleg and the team, I really do.
yes it does seem like UBI is not keeping Maddox Games informed on what is really going on. like Oleg said he still expects a mar 25 release but everything else points to something later than that.
It seems like UBI will release it whenever it feels like it instead of when Oleg would like to release it.
Meusli
03-07-2011, 02:11 PM
You would think it would be listed in steams coming soon section, but there is nothing. I agree that this is a disgrace of a launch which the title really did not need.
Biggs
03-07-2011, 02:13 PM
You would think it would be listed in steams coming soon section, but there is nothing. I agree that this is a disgrace of a launch which the title really did not need.
Ha ha, yep I just posted this same thing in another thread... there's absolutely nothing posted on Steam about CoD, yet here we are a mere "2 weeks" from release
:rolleyes:
sfmadmax
03-07-2011, 03:20 PM
Ha ha, yep I just posted this same thing in another thread... there's absolutely nothing posted on Steam about CoD, yet here we are a mere "2 weeks" from release
:rolleyes:
:(
SsSsSsSsSnake
03-07-2011, 04:27 PM
I'm sorry but they are doing nothing to help sell your sim, in fact I'd go as far to say that they are actively damaging your sales with their complete incompetence regarding information and release.
You have a contract with them one would assume and we all know contracts work both ways so please, get on the phone and tell UBI to get a grib and sort it out.
We are two and a half weeks from release and we are still getting conflicting information in all areas and it looks ridiculous.
DRM, first it was TAGES, then it was Solidshield, now with added Steam. Which is it?
How about some positive information on release? Colectors editions in countries other than the UK? Normal boxed copies? Steam release schedules? Availability of boxed copies from sources other than UBI?
If the March 25th release is genuine as we have been told then why on earth is this information not forthcoming from UBI? Are they your publisher in the west or not?
If I was about to launch the results of a 5 or 6 year project that I wanted to be a success I'd be utterly livid with UBI's lacklustre and frankly pathetic handling of the situation.
Somebody over at UBI needs a damn good kick up the backside or are they just regurgitaing what they've been told and it's all down to your department? Something I find difficult to believe given your confirmed worldwide release in 18 days.
+ 1 dam good post Dano
Oldschool61
03-07-2011, 04:35 PM
Oleg should just start doing his own PR. Start releasing tons of videos and doing as many interviews with as many game sites as possible.
Ubi is indeed doing a terrible job, once again:rolleyes: when it comes to simulators. They can handle all other stuff pretty well, like their arcade games, but are they are just dropping on simulators? I know for sure that I will buy it, that's not the problem, but we need all those new people to ensure the future of this sim! C'mon UBI make us look like fools and do your work in 18 days!
choctaw111
03-07-2011, 04:53 PM
I am sorry, but not surprised, by how UBI is handling this.
Hopefully, someone at 1C will be able to get some really good press out there, either through Youtube, gaming sites or several other ways.
Chivas
03-07-2011, 05:26 PM
I agree that it would have been nice to have a more world wide delivery of the Collectors Edition. I will be getting one from England and maybe also buying the download version if I can get it atleast a week before the CE arrives.
I don't know that its entirely UBI's fault or anyone fault for that matter. UBI did probably pressure Maddox Games to release IL-2 COD before it was ready and Maddox games is still scrambling even it seems up to today to get the final out the door. It has to be sent out by probably today for UBI and IC to make an end of March release date.
Its very hard to start a full advertising campaign on a product that's in influx and your not sure which features will make the initial release. Maddox games was supposed to have completed the Simhq interview a month or so ago, but have obviously been to busy to do so.
Surely its not completely necessary for us to have all the information weeks before we buy a product. I think I can make a decision on whether a product like this is worth buying in the first few hours of viewing the completed specs, videos etc. If I'm still not sure I will wait for user comments, but you have to take both with a grain of salt.
philip.ed
03-07-2011, 05:52 PM
I agree that it would have been nice to have a more world wide delivery of the Collectors Edition. I will be getting one from England and maybe also buying the download version if I can get it atleast a week before the CE arrives.
I don't know that its entirely UBI's fault or anyone fault for that matter. UBI did probably pressure Maddox Games to release IL-2 COD before it was ready and Maddox games is still scrambling even it seems up to today to get the final out the door. It has to be sent out by probably today for UBI and IC to make an end of March release date.
Its very hard to start a full advertising campaign on a product that's in influx and your not sure which features will make the initial release. Maddox games was supposed to have completed the Simhq interview a month or so ago, but have obviously been to busy to do so.
Surely its not completely necessary for us to have all the information weeks before we buy a product. I think I can make a decision on whether a product like this is worth buying in the first few hours of viewing the completed specs, videos etc. If I'm still not sure I will wait for user comments, but you have to take both with a grain of salt.
+1
Tree_UK
03-07-2011, 06:09 PM
Oleg you really need to tell UBI to take this from the website as well.
Latest-gen graphics engine with DX10 and DX11 API support. Huge variety of photorealistic ground vehicles, buildings and other environmental elements recreate minute details of 1940s Europe.
334th_Gazoo
03-07-2011, 06:20 PM
Gotta Be like Mr Mitchell.
And you are...
:)
Zappatime
03-07-2011, 06:21 PM
Top post Dano, couldn't have put it better myself, my exact thoughts entirely
Sternjaeger
03-07-2011, 07:17 PM
guys let's be sensible.. these guys have been working their asses off, they have contracts to honour and money to bank, do you really expect they're gonna discuss about these things over a public forum?
guys let's be sensible.. these guys have been working their asses off, they have contracts to honour and money to bank, do you really expect they're gonna discuss about these things over a public forum?
well I think promoting, advertising, and getting correct info to the crowd is of big importance if we want the IL2 series to continue in the future. I think it is as important as the issues you just said.
JG52Krupi
03-07-2011, 07:37 PM
guys let's be sensible.. these guys have been working their asses off, they have contracts to honour and money to bank, do you really expect they're gonna discuss about these things over a public forum?
Don't even bother trying to calm these big headed fools.
Your turning into a bunch of big girls blouse every passing second, just wtf did u think Oleg and co are going to write on these threads ffs bunch on pompous morons....
Tacoma74
03-07-2011, 07:52 PM
It's all been said before... :rolleyes: Instead of bickering here on a thread, why don't you guys make some sort of a "Letter of Dissatisfaction" and send it straight to the Ubisoft marketing department. If everyone here signs it, surely we would at least get a decent response with an explanation. I wholeheartedly agree with you Dano, but this is getting us nowhere. It's a major issue that requires more serious actions. If you can write something good up, I will gladly sign it.
334th_Gazoo
03-07-2011, 08:08 PM
Top post Dano, couldn't have put it better myself, my exact thoughts entirely
Speaking for us in Western Canada. I can say that I've only seen the title; 'IL2 1946', on the shelves a half dozen times, since it has come out. This was during it's initial rollout. It is a shame, because I know there are a lot of people in my country who fly Aviation Simulations. Our city size Edmonton, is 1 Milion+, It's Cold -20 -30 in the winter, so there's few things better on a cold day or evening than grabbing a toddy, hiberrnating, and going flying with ones squad mates :)
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that, The distribution has to be geared to demographics. People with time on their hands.. Fly! I'm one of them. I hope our long Cold playing season will be attractive to your sales desires.
{Includes obligatory pitch for the Collectors edition} :)
The secondary point I would like to make to Mr. Maddox and his advisors is that, to my knowledge, outside of a couple of UK imported av sim magazines doing reviews, there has not been any advertising of IL2 or 1C in the Canadian western retail stores, or magazines. EA games and Walmart were the only two places I waas able to find the DVD, through the whole period in the distribution of the previous IL2 series..., and I had to Dig!" It was never on the shelf.. but it was never in the Bargain bin either! :) As Usual... If they don't know about it , How can it sell? Why bother ordering...~
I believe there should be a greater investment in advertising . I wish you great success.
Respectfully
334th_Gazoo
~S~ 334th_Gazoo
Trumper
03-07-2011, 08:50 PM
:) Maybe UBI don't know as they haven't been given all the info from Oleg etc.
Having said that i am certain they can make some sort of advertising campaign up from what they have .Maybe they won't bother ,it is a niche market,small money compared to the other type of sims around.
Codex
03-07-2011, 09:44 PM
I originally thought a couple of years ago that 1C would be doing the world wide publishing of this sim, and I was pounced on by mods in this forum for saying so. But I stand by my comment - 1C should have handled the distribution of CoD (or BoB as was known at the time).
Ploughman
03-07-2011, 10:40 PM
Hmm, this sort of thing explains why Ubi are half a billion Euros of turnover away from making a profit.
WTE_Galway
03-07-2011, 11:07 PM
UBI see the future of gaming as XBox fanboy 13 year olds and bored 30 year old cougar mums playing farmtown while chatting on facebox.
Forget UBI, they are useless.
Instead ... every one of us that can write and take a screenshot should immediately upon getting a hold of CoD write a honest review of it and submit it to as many game sites in their own country/region as they can.
ElAurens
03-07-2011, 11:31 PM
Well, now that I have found out about the requirement to have a Steam account to play the game, it's all moot anyway.
I won't be buying it.
Defender
03-07-2011, 11:46 PM
Well, now that I have found out about the requirement to have a Steam account to play the game, it's all moot anyway.
I won't be buying it.
:rolleyes:
Why not wait before jumping to conclusions. Wait until release, if the info stands and it's still not to your liking you can rant and rave all you want, but that's not going to change the outcome. Nobody put a gun to your head to pre-order. It's actually a stupid thing to do with any video game from a smart consumer standpoint. Unless you don't mind the risks associated with being disappointed, maybe you should hold off until actual users start reviewing and depicting their experience with the game.
These I"M NOT BUYING IT BECAUSE OF THIS posts are the equivalent of a 3 year old temper tantrum...no offense.
WTE_Galway
03-08-2011, 12:19 AM
:rolleyes:
Why not wait before jumping to conclusions. Wait until release, if the info stands and it's still not to your liking you can rant and rave all you want, but that's not going to change the outcome. Nobody put a gun to your head to pre-order. It's actually a stupid thing to do with any video game from a smart consumer standpoint. Unless you don't mind the risks associated with being disappointed, maybe you should hold off until actual users start reviewing and depicting their experience with the game.
These I"M NOT BUYING IT BECAUSE OF THIS posts are the equivalent of a 3 year old temper tantrum...no offense.
well sometimes true
It really depends if you are saying it for dramatic effect or just actually stating how it is.
In actual fact if the boxed edition requires steam I couldn't be bothered either. That's not some idle threat to impress people on the boards its just the truth.
As an example with D&D 4th edition I made the decision not to get invovled quite early and have never seen any reason to revise it. At the time I was heavily involved with the Wizards official campaigns had written a number the of official published modules published for Living Greyhawk so a lot of people accused me of throwing a tantrum and claimed I would give in eventually.
In actual fact I was just stating a fact, the new 4th edition D&D (which is kinda based on PC games and WoW rather than traditional RP games) was designed to get a constant turnover of young teens with moneyed parents interested. They would would buy all the books and then 6 months later move on to some other interest making Hasbro/Wizards much money but destroying it as a viable long-term gaming system.
I see UBI's attitude as very similar, a viable long term player community is not important to them, the only concern is short term cashflow and sales.
So be it :D
Novotny
03-08-2011, 12:28 AM
It really does amaze me the number of people I would have thought were interested in CoD but who cannot countenance Steam. It's a pity. Oh well, things will always change, and at some point in our lives, we become resistant to change per se, and then we die. It has always been such and it always will be as such.
Farewell to those of you who cannot come along for the ride.
WTE_Galway
03-08-2011, 01:05 AM
It really does amaze me the number of people I would have thought were interested in CoD but who cannot countenance Steam. It's a pity. Oh well, things will always change, and at some point in our lives, we become resistant to change per se, and then we die. It has always been such and it always will be as such.
Farewell to those of you who cannot come along for the ride.
I think the whole point is that UBi see the big money being in 15 year old online gamer fanbois who already have every 1st person shooter in existence and already have steam.
What the community will lose out of this is the long term people with a vast historical background who are not gamers .. and what it will acquire is more online "Halo/Quake with wings" gamer types.
To be honest UBI will probably make WAY more money this way and is very unlikely to care about the occasional person that mainly plays offline and does not have or want steam.
Novotny
03-08-2011, 01:14 AM
Actually, it's been suggested that 1C may be a force behind the requirement for Steam, but we don't know if there's any truth in that.
This Steam business is a little offtopic to the original thread title, or to your points. Nevertheless - as you've probably gathered - I think Steam is great. Kids that are into Halo have their consoles. As for mums that play farmville; well, I doubt they use Steam - is it something to do with this cougar expression? I'm not quite clear on how that comes into it.
At any rate, Steam is a godsend for gamers that like even playing fields and convenience, and also for developers who can circumnavigate piracy and reach greater audiences. If they choose to publish directly on it, they make a greater profit than they would going with conventional routes. Clearly, though, 1C are taking both journeys. I guess they've weighed it up and know what they are doing.
Anyways, I'd like our community to come with us, but recognise that change will always leave some at the wayside. Such is life.
speculum jockey
03-08-2011, 01:57 AM
Well, now that I have found out about the requirement to have a Steam account to play the game, it's all moot anyway.
I won't be buying it.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. . . . . .
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.......
AHAHAAAAAHHhhhahahahahahahaaaaaa. . . .
Yah Right! You'll be buying it day one! If you are serious about not buying it then there is no reason for you to keep posting on these forums. . . Right?
Don't be silly, you're not fooling anyone.
Biggs
03-08-2011, 02:06 AM
im very certain that if you want to play the singleplayer campaign of CoD im pretty sure you wont have to be logged onto steam...
Steam is just there for MP purposes... and for installation verification...
bottom line steam is just a software program that (can if you wish to) store your games in a library. and allow you to download tons of games directly to your HD.
its incredibly harmless...
you guys will buy the game an enjoy it when u realize how simple and non-invasive it all is going to be...
im glad they are getting steam involved... it will be much more organized and reliable instead of the ubi server crap. Plus its a great platform to show the game off to a much larger group of customers... and that will help Maddox Games in revenue.
and after all, dont we as a community want to have the fan-base grow... not be this cult-hit-of-a-flight sim?
drewpee
03-08-2011, 02:54 AM
The thing I don't understand is the lack of communication from UBI. You can post a question or a suggestion on the IC forum and get an answer directly from the developers . I don't know that there are to many games that are that involved with their customers.
Then theres UBI, I have pm more than one other their pr department employee's and have had no response, Isn't their job to inform the public. If there's a problem the they would be far better of informing us rather than keeping us in the dark. From what I can tell most people playing IL2 are mature aged. We can handle the truth, we can't handle being ignored by the very people wanting to make money of us (and our kids if you are like me).
I say lift your game UBI. When you go to the Australian UBI site COD is not even in the COMING SOON list, you have to look for it.
Novotny
03-08-2011, 03:23 AM
Would you communicate with us? I bloody wouldn't.
Blackdog_kt
03-08-2011, 03:38 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. . . . . .
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.......
AHAHAAAAAHHhhhahahahahahahaaaaaa. . . .
Yah Right! You'll be buying it day one! If you are serious about not buying it then there is no reason for you to keep posting on these forums. . . Right?
Don't be silly, you're not fooling anyone.
I think he's serious. I didn't buy RoF for similar reasons. He bought RoF and stopped flying it after a few months. It's his choice and it's not funny, if he's had problems with steam in the past i can perfectly understand his decision. I'm just willing to jump in blind and get CoD because it has an offline mode, but i'm not too happy about the lack of choice in the whole thing.
Finally, people who base their purchase on certain features do in fact leave the game's forums after a while, they just hope that they might get some encouraging information to reevaluate their decision if they first state their reasons for not buying.
To be honest, this is the worst side effect of dividing the community over such issues: losing well known members of the community that had a useful and long term impact over the years and i'm not talking about ElAurens specifically. Old timers are usually strong willed and hard to argue with, but this community wouldn't be half of what it is today without the people who obsessed for years over aircraft performance charts to correct flaws in the game or creating skins and campaigns for the rest of us to enjoy.
Sure, we need new blood but if we lose the core simmers and gain FPS players, who's going to "train" these new guys and ease them into embracing the added difficulty and complexity of it all? It won't be much of a sim community if 95% percent of people fly at 30% difficulty in servers with no historical context and in such a case, it won't even be their fault...it's just that there might not be enough of the old guard around to draw them into the deeper aspects of the hobby. Something like this would definitely ensure the survival of the software companies that make our sims, but at the same time it would transform the community into a sim-light variety.
I've advocated relaxed difficulty settings in the past as a means to get more people interested in flight sims and Steam is obviously also a step in that direction (possibly and hopefully a succesful one), trying to gain exposure to a wider demographic. There's nothing wrong with that. What's wrong is potentially chasing away some among the veteran members who held the flight sim banner during the previous years through sheer lack of options.
Something similar happened with RoF, only at a much higher intensity and with a far greater rift within the community, and it totally deprived it of its chance to shine: almost 2 years on since its release, there's more people flying IL2 online on any given day than RoF.
I'd really hate to see the launch of CoD facing similar difficulties, reduced market appeal and the subsequent lack of revenue that delays further development. It's not a for/against argument about Steam, i'm neither a customer nor a shareholder of theirs so i don't really care. It's about providing choices that satisfy the biggest amount of potential customers so that they can become actual customers while at the same time maintaining the scope and purpose of what the software and fan community tries to convey, instead of diluting it into something it's not. For this to happen, we need the new blood just as much as the old timers who'll teach them the ropes.
And since i'm getting gloomy here, let's look at the optimist note in all of it
im very certain that if you want to play the singleplayer campaign of CoD im pretty sure you wont have to be logged onto steam...
Steam is just there for MP purposes... and for installation verification...
bottom line steam is just a software program that (can if you wish to) store your games in a library. and allow you to download tons of games directly to your HD.
its incredibly harmless...
you guys will buy the game an enjoy it when u realize how simple and non-invasive it all is going to be...
im glad they are getting steam involved... it will be much more organized and reliable instead of the ubi server crap. Plus its a great platform to show the game off to a much larger group of customers... and that will help Maddox Games in revenue.
and after all, dont we as a community want to have the fan-base grow... not be this cult-hit-of-a-flight sim?
i sincerely hope it will be just like this. I just don't like last minute surprises, especially if there's no user selectable option provided in the matter.
Kikuchiyo
03-08-2011, 04:00 AM
To be honest, this is the worst side effect of dividing the community over such issues: losing well known members of the community that had a useful and long term impact over the years and i'm not talking about ElAurens specifically. Old timers are usually strong willed and hard to argue with, but this community wouldn't be half of what it is today without the people who obsessed for years over aircraft performance charts to correct flaws in the game or creating skins and campaigns for the rest of us to enjoy.
Sure, we need new blood but if we lose the core simmers and gain FPS players, who's going to "train" these new guys and ease them into embracing the added difficulty and complexity of it all? It won't be much of a sim community if 95% percent of people fly at 30% difficulty in servers with no historical context and in such a case, it won't even be their fault...it's just that there might not be enough of the old guard around to draw them into the deeper aspects of the hobby. Something like this would definitely ensure the survival of the software companies that make our sims, but at the same time it would transform the community into a sim-light variety.
Good thing there are people outside this community that bring people in to flight siming. I for one am part of another community that trains and introduces new people to flight sims. Just because we are younger and also enjoy FPSes doesn't mean we don't know anything about or aren't passionate about flight sims. Just because some one is older doesn't make them more valuable either. Everyone must move forward, and Steam WILL introduce flight sims to a whole new audience. Some of them will come for the graphics some will come because they see people on their friends list playing, and some will come because they (like I did) have that youth love of aviation and the magic of it.
I actually got into FPSes because of flight sims, and not vice versa. It's a genre that up until recently has been dieing because of the very insular nature of the flight sim community at large. We often discount new people's views and opinions and information, and quite frankly run off new blood. Perhaps, I hope I am incorrect here, losing some old timers might actually be good for the community. If we can't get past being willful and xenophobic the genre will die. Steam may put a new face on flight sims and open it up to a younger crowd without having to deal with some of the messiness that comes with trying to integrate into a very clique group that many of us flight simmers are part of.
My community of flight simmers put a fun and inviting face on il-2:1946, and with all the recent buzz for Cliffs of Dover we've brought in quite a decent number of new blood to the genre, and they are learning fast and enjoying it. They tell their friends and get them in so on and so forth. Just because it isn't the way we as simmer like to play doesn't make it wrong, and just because making it fun doesn't teach the historical aspect doesn't mean it won't evolve into that.
Novotny
03-08-2011, 04:07 AM
Mmm good points. I used to help run the largest fps community in the UK. I still love them. I am also something of an avid history buff and really enjoy flight sims and historical turn-based strategy games.
Madness, I know. Imagine having diverse-but-still-connected interests?
As I said elsewhere, I love a lot of things, with the exception of watching TV (or voyeurism in general), sports fans, and tories.
Bowtome
03-08-2011, 07:59 AM
I don't understand the hate for steam.
They have updates weekly for any issues. I have loads of games on Steam with no issues.
It is an online community/digital distribution.
If you want COD and it's on Steam, buy it, if you don't really want it, don't buy it.
I would choose Steam first above anything else, don't need the CD in, if I lose my PC, I download all my games again on steam, in fact I just have to login and it will download for me.
Steam is good, better than buggy GFWL
White Owl
03-08-2011, 08:50 AM
Somebody at Ubi just answered my question about the Steam account requirement. link (http://il-2-sturmovik.ubi.com/cliffs-of-dovers/blog/uk/?p=1162)
I posted: I think you probably meant that a Steam account will be required to play online. Is that right? If I only play offline, single-player missions do I still need a Steam account?
They replied: Yes, you will need a Steam account even if your play offline.
Bowtome
03-08-2011, 09:06 AM
But what that means with steam is, you activate the game through steam, once activated, you can play offline without logging into steam. If there is no internet connection you can still play offline.
GnigruH
03-08-2011, 09:20 AM
Why steam is bad? Someone make a list of its flaws, cos' atm it's like: it is bad cos' I know it is bad.
I see most ppl, who hate steam, have used it only once or haven't at all.
alberto1960
03-08-2011, 01:20 PM
I'm sorry but they are doing nothing to help sell your sim, in fact I'd go as far to say that they are actively damaging your sales with their complete incompetence regarding information and release.
You have a contract with them one would assume and we all know contracts work both ways so please, get on the phone and tell UBI to get a grib and sort it out.
We are two and a half weeks from release and we are still getting conflicting information in all areas and it looks ridiculous.
DRM, first it was TAGES, then it was Solidshield, now with added Steam. Which is it?
How about some positive information on release? Colectors editions in countries other than the UK? Normal boxed copies? Steam release schedules? Availability of boxed copies from sources other than UBI?
If the March 25th release is genuine as we have been told then why on earth is this information not forthcoming from UBI? Are they your publisher in the west or not?
If I was about to launch the results of a 5 or 6 year project that I wanted to be a success I'd be utterly livid with UBI's lacklustre and frankly pathetic handling of the situation.
Somebody over at UBI needs a damn good kick up the backside or are they just regurgitaing what they've been told and it's all down to your department? Something I find difficult to believe given your confirmed worldwide release in 18 days.
I totally agree with you. I cannot accept a download for such high level product. I wish a CD and if possible a collector edition. Non a good job from UBI.
Yvetette
03-08-2011, 01:52 PM
I totally agree with you. I cannot accept a download for such high level product. I wish a CD and if possible a collector edition. Non a good job from UBI.
Totally agreed! The Steam contract one has to accept makes it possible that your pc can be spyed all the time and what ever you do for the game you bought can be stolen without compensation. Who needs this? And BTW I just cancelled my preorder.
Novotny
03-08-2011, 01:54 PM
Cheerio then! Don't forget to post in the goodbye thread.
Kikuchiyo
03-08-2011, 01:58 PM
Totally agreed! The Steam contract one has to accept makes it possible that your pc can be spyed all the time and what ever you do for the game you bought can be stolen without compensation. Who needs this? And BTW I just cancelled my preorder.
Your reading comprehension is abysmal. It says any communications you make through the community can be used. That mostly is a legal issue thanks to stupid US politics and little to do with Valve actually giving 2 shits about what you say. I am equally sure that all IMs have a similar clause.
If by spy on you you mean they keep track of your purchases through their client, and the amount of time you play games then yes. Otherwise you are really blowing it out of proportion and being paranoid.
Blackdog_kt
03-08-2011, 02:39 PM
Good thing there are people outside this community that bring people in to flight siming. I for one am part of another community that trains and introduces new people to flight sims. Just because we are younger and also enjoy FPSes doesn't mean we don't know anything about or aren't passionate about flight sims. Just because some one is older doesn't make them more valuable either. Everyone must move forward, and Steam WILL introduce flight sims to a whole new audience. Some of them will come for the graphics some will come because they see people on their friends list playing, and some will come because they (like I did) have that youth love of aviation and the magic of it.
I actually got into FPSes because of flight sims, and not vice versa. It's a genre that up until recently has been dieing because of the very insular nature of the flight sim community at large. We often discount new people's views and opinions and information, and quite frankly run off new blood. Perhaps, I hope I am incorrect here, losing some old timers might actually be good for the community. If we can't get past being willful and xenophobic the genre will die. Steam may put a new face on flight sims and open it up to a younger crowd without having to deal with some of the messiness that comes with trying to integrate into a very clique group that many of us flight simmers are part of.
My community of flight simmers put a fun and inviting face on il-2:1946, and with all the recent buzz for Cliffs of Dover we've brought in quite a decent number of new blood to the genre, and they are learning fast and enjoying it. They tell their friends and get them in so on and so forth. Just because it isn't the way we as simmer like to play doesn't make it wrong, and just because making it fun doesn't teach the historical aspect doesn't mean it won't evolve into that.
I'm with you more or less, i just think there needs to be a balance so that the influx of new players can pe properly "assimilated" into the community.
Tvrdi
03-08-2011, 03:15 PM
I dont like Steam (for obvious reasons - I wouldnt post them here; no need to explain to some ignorants) but Im prepared to eat s*ite to be able to play my fav sim....
Voyager
03-08-2011, 04:52 PM
I dont like Steam (for obvious reasons - I wouldnt post them here; no need to explain to some ignorants) but Im prepared to eat s*ite to be able to play my fav sim....
Would you rather the DRM AC2 had? You know the one where you have to be continually logged on, and if anything interrupts your net connection, it shuts down and doesn't save you last couple hours of gameplay?
How about Bioshock? You get to install it three times. That it.
Mass Effect, you got five installs, and if you used them up, you had to call EA and explain yourself.
Mass Effect 2 you didn't even get the entire game unless you also had a valid code for their Cerberus Network, and it also required a persistent log-in.
How about Starforce? You remember the one that prevented you from booting a Win7 machine, at least until MS blocked it entirely?
What D2D? They encrypt the game data files with an encryption that increases load times by orders of magnitude.
Look, the world has changed since Il-2 came out. The conflicts between piracy and DRM have progressed far beyond just requiring a disk in the drive. Any current DRM is going to require some combination of persistent log in, limited installs, encrypted installs, or some combination there of. Steam is the only one I know of that does not require a persistent online connection without install capping you. Yes, it requires a one time account linkage, and all subsequent installs must reference that account online, but that's it.
It is literally the least invasive modern DRM system on the market today.
TheGrunch
03-08-2011, 04:58 PM
It is literally the least invasive modern DRM system on the market today.
This.
Flying Pencil
03-08-2011, 05:00 PM
I am extremely worried about this situation.
An A380 plane crash looking for a place to happen.
TheGrunch
03-08-2011, 05:04 PM
What, because you have to think of an account name and password, register them, and then activate the game once before clicking the Offline Mode button? :confused: Good luck finding a modern game published by a big publisher that isn't like that or worse.
JG52Uther
03-08-2011, 05:04 PM
Although we are actually being install limited.
''How many activations do I get?
You can indefinitely activate your copy of the game on the same PC. You start with three activations (so, three different PC hardware configurations) to begin with. After one month, one activation will be re-credited (up to a maximum of three available activations at any given time).''
How that ties in with the steam 'just use any computer with your steam details to log in' I have no idea.
Chivas
03-08-2011, 05:24 PM
We are allowed 360+ installs over the next 10 years, and we don't have to be online to play. Seems a small price to pay to help protect our sims genre from total collapse.
The Kraken
03-08-2011, 05:25 PM
Although we are actually being install limited.
''How many activations do I get?
You can indefinitely activate your copy of the game on the same PC. You start with three activations (so, three different PC hardware configurations) to begin with. After one month, one activation will be re-credited (up to a maximum of three available activations at any given time).''
How that ties in with the steam 'just use any computer with your steam details to log in' I have no idea.
Lots of games have 3rd party DRM on top of Steam. Not that I understand why but it's a fact - even though that's usually cracked just as quickly. But then again we still do not know if maybe a 1C/non-Ubi version with Steam as the only DRM, and without Solidshield/Tages, might be available to buy from Steam.
Lots of unknowns about the actual release :(
kimosabi
03-08-2011, 05:36 PM
I'm sorry but they are doing nothing to help sell your sim, in fact I'd go as far to say that they are actively damaging your sales with their complete incompetence regarding information and release.
You have a contract with them one would assume and we all know contracts work both ways so please, get on the phone and tell UBI to get a grib and sort it out.
We are two and a half weeks from release and we are still getting conflicting information in all areas and it looks ridiculous.
DRM, first it was TAGES, then it was Solidshield, now with added Steam. Which is it?
How about some positive information on release? Colectors editions in countries other than the UK? Normal boxed copies? Steam release schedules? Availability of boxed copies from sources other than UBI?
If the March 25th release is genuine as we have been told then why on earth is this information not forthcoming from UBI? Are they your publisher in the west or not?
If I was about to launch the results of a 5 or 6 year project that I wanted to be a success I'd be utterly livid with UBI's lacklustre and frankly pathetic handling of the situation.
Somebody over at UBI needs a damn good kick up the backside or are they just regurgitaing what they've been told and it's all down to your department? Something I find difficult to believe given your confirmed worldwide release in 18 days.
I agree. I take it 1C is kinda "trapped" with Ubisoft and signed a deal it's hard to get out of yet.
Ubisoft's Steam catalogue has no mention of CoD:IL-2 in it. At all. I hope 1C made a "2 game deal" with Ubisoft so that they after CoD:IL-2 release are free to cancel the partnership and go to a more serious publisher. Budget or no budget, Ubisoft, your advertising of CoD is pretty much non existant. Especially when we see that it's going to be distributed via Steam.
The Kraken
03-08-2011, 05:46 PM
I agree. I take it 1C is kinda "trapped" with Ubisoft and signed a deal it's hard to get out of yet.
Quite possible - and judging by how Ubisoft handles this release, they may very well feel the same :confused:
Flying Pencil
03-08-2011, 07:02 PM
What, because you have to think of an account name and password, register them, and then activate the game once before clicking the Offline Mode button? :confused: Good luck finding a modern game published by a big publisher that isn't like that or worse.
One of those "error encountered, cant authorize" type messages.
But it seems their may be alternate way to activate it, by phone.
TheGrunch
03-08-2011, 07:07 PM
Possibly. You can also generate a manual activation code by visiting their website or something similar, I heard somewhere, if you'd like to guarantee it works.
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