And the WEATHER ???

[ChrisDNT]

So, the game is out soon, and until now we have seen nothing about the clouds, the overcast (1), the typical grey weather of England.

Just curious and a little bit worried !!!





(1) and when I speak of "overcast", I don't mean the IL-2 one, which is basically a fog at 100 meters high, no, a real overcast, a stratus layer.

[Talbot]

Yes,something like in Lock on.

http://virtualturkishstars.com/forumplaatjes/25-05-2010/ScreenShot_005.jpg-for-web-LARGE.jpg

[kendo65]

I was wondering whether the dynamic weather was one of the things that have been put on hold?

Have heard that the newer clouds are being worked on, but may not make the initial release.

[ChrisDNT]

Nice pic, Talbot, I was precisely speaking of that kind of view : grey weather, levels of stratus at medium altitudes, with the very subtle light under them (I just hate the 12'o clock plain sun).

[JG52Uther]

Weather was generally pretty good during the BoB:
http://forum.netweather.tv/topic/63129-the-battle-of-britain-weather-diary/

[Talbot]

The issue is in play more kinds of clouds? We have seen in the figures only one type-cumulus.Ale there are many more types of clouds.
http://www.free-online-private-pilot-ground-school.com/images/cloud-types.gif
http://www.weatherquestions.com/cloud_types.jpg

[LoBiSoMeM]

Just give me in march a clear blue sky and an Emil in my gunsight - I'll be a happy man.

All the rest is "bonus". And I doubt 1C will delivery a bad "weather system". Will be state-of-the-art as everything they do in combat flight sims.

[ChrisDNT]

Fine, the clouds considered as a "bonus" in an AVIATION sim :rolleyes:

[LoBiSoMeM]

Fine, the clouds considered as a "bonus" in an AVIATION sim :rolleyes:

Yes, in a COMBAT aviation sim. I can fight in clear sky.

By the way, I like the clounds in IL-2. Why in HELL do you want to whine about the NEW TITLE of 1C BEFORE the release?

Obviously we will heve a good weather system. I have concerns about head tracking and other "specific" issues, but aboute weather is someting very poor to make posts in a forum...

Do you believe Oleg Maddox don't care about weather system in the new 1C combat flight sim?

Give me a break...

[leggit]

So, the game is out soon, and until now we have seen nothing about the clouds, the overcast (1), the typical grey weather of England.

Just curious and a little bit worried !!!





(1) and when I speak of "overcast", I don't mean the IL-2 one, which is basically a fog at 100 meters high, no, a real overcast, a stratus layer.

apart from being a rather stupid topic...there is no such thing as "typical" weather in the UK ....this is a general myth held by the less well travelled and educated.
As has been pointed out the summer of 1940 was typically warm and sunny....as for your worries... if thats all you have to worry about in life consider yourself fortunate...but i'm 99.9% sure the C1 team will be light years ahead of you in many many ways.

[fireflyerz]

Oh applause leggit , you've stolen the show and put poor Chris in his place with that answer :rolleyes:

[ChrisDNT]

Fanboys are very funny, in spite of their psychology being a little hard to understand.

You simply ask about the clouds in an aviation sim (1) and the guy speaks to you of the meaning of life !



(1) it seems to me that the aircrafts usually fly in the sky and that it happens sometimes that there are clouds in the sky.

[leggit]

whats funny is the dribble people decide is worthy of posting chris.;)

[LoBiSoMeM]

In 2011 people have worries about some "minor" company as 1C releasing a combat flight sim WITHOUT decent weather system...

I'm always amazed!

[Bobb4]

In 2011 people have worries about some "minor" company as 1C releasing a combat flight sim WITHOUT decent weather system...

I'm always amazed!

Glad you are amazed. This is a forum and people can ask questions. Now when you become an admin you can decided on stupid posts (and delete them if you please, not a dig at anyone).
But by your tone you sound personally offended that someone ask about clouds in a flight sim. If you look at the clouds in RoF you will understand why people are asking.
Even when a decent answer is given people will still ask.
It's what happens in a forum.
Maybe the OP wants to take the Tigermoth and fly from cloud to cloud counting them.:):):)

[Aloko]

Hi all,

Seems strange to me there is no informations about simulating weather in a flight sim :confused:

The fact that the OP get blamed for asking is even stranger :-P

[JVM]

The facts (gathered from various OM team interventions dating as far back as 2006!) are as follows:

1) It has alway been the intent to have a dynamic complex weather system in SoW, with wind, moving fronts, turbulence, variety of clouds and cloud coverage etc; Oleg even mentioned the possibility to use gliders at least in ridge soaring (I do not remember if
the clouds would have their own set of thermal features; however turbulence and sillage were certainly mentioned)

2) More recently, answering to someone asking to see more cloud variety than the (obviously) Il2 placeholders we get in the screenshots he answered that a dedicated artist was working full time on cloud shapes (and presumably types). There is also since long a guy working on the weather system dynamics.

3) At no time Oleg said there would be no new clouds or weather system modelling at release!!! This a rumor started from the answer above ("not ready yet")...
The truth is nobody knows what it will be, as nobody ever told anything on this subject.
It is possible however that this would not be ready in time due to optimization issues, as Luthier stated (very) recently that some nice stuff anticipated to be in the release had been removed temporarily, and would be introduced later on.
But we have no clue, really...so I would refrain inventing catastrophic scenarios!

JV

[addman]

Well, the sim was from the start touted to feature dynamic weather front. That was actually THE main feature when the game was announced, even the title "Storm of War" was meant to be an indicator of the feature, so to speak.

[leggit]

why would the functionality of weather in a period combat sim be the main feature????....utter nonsense.

[JVM]

Maybe because weather and flight go forever together...and because a great many missions from all types (fight, bomb, ferry, recce...) were successful (or not, or even tragically ended) because of weather issues...because weather killed (and still kills) as surely as enemy fighters...
USAAF lost 88,000 crew in WWII including a staggering 32,000 (40%!) in non-combat related occurences: of them, I would say that the majority was weather-related...and this kind of terrible tally is certainly to be duplicated in the other air forces, if not worse as weather was not always very kind in the UK and continental Europe compared to the US training areas!

So I would not dismiss weather complex functionalities that lightly...I would even say this is vital and was really severely missing from Il2 (even if there was a first approach of weather depiction)!

JV

[Aloko]

why would the functionality of weather in a period combat sim be the main feature????....utter nonsense.

I wanted to laugh when I read your post but then I remembered I played a sports car simulation with NO weather simulated (rFactor) for years :-P

!what is incredible in this COD is the lack of factual elements we have at our disposal to discuss in forum :-P

[leggit]

what is incredible in this COD is the lack of factual elements we have at our disposal to discuss in forum :-P

oh for god sake.....IT IS NOT RELEASED YET!

[Avimimus]

From Oleg's comments it is suggested that the weather was being developed in parallel and it may be a feature delayed for later release (or at least some parts of it may be). That said - some at Ingromir found complex weather variables in the FMB...

[Blackdog_kt]

Maybe because weather and flight go forever together...and because a great many missions from all types (fight, bomb, ferry, recce...) were successful (or not, or even tragically ended) because of weather issues...because weather killed (and still kills) as surely as enemy fighters...
USAAF lost 88,000 crew in WWII including a staggering 32,000 (40%!) in non-combat related occurences: of them, I would say that the majority was weather-related...and this kind of terrible tally is certainly to be duplicated in the other air forces, if not worse as weather was not always very kind in the UK and continental Europe compared to the US training areas!

So I would not dismiss weather complex functionalities that lightly...I would even say this is vital and was really severely missing from Il2 (even if there was a first approach of weather depiction)!

JV

Totally agree. A 20 knot headwind can make all the difference between nursing your crippled, fuel leaking bird back to home base or having to ditch in the channel ;)

As for what will be in the game, nobody knows yet. What we do know is that it's been talked about by the devs since the start of development, as already mentioned we've seen a few screenshots in the FMB about it and thus, my personal estimate is that it will be part of the simulator, if not on release day then on a patch down the road.

[Trumper]

why would the functionality of weather in a period combat sim be the main feature????....utter nonsense.

I can hear the briefing at The German bomber command."Today we are going to fly at anything where the clouds aren't and hope the target can be seen ,oh and we are not sure on fighter escort because they may be affected by wind speed affecting their cruising speed and fuel allowances.":confused:
Weather is nothing in a flight sim ,bit like saying the sea isn't modelled in a Naval sim.
Repeat after me ,it is ok to ask a question,i don't have to follow blindly.

[Biggs [CV]]

Stop worrying about the weather. The summer of 1940 was a nice warm summer with mostly clear skies with light clouds. Weather only halted flight operations for a few days.
Guys really need to stop stressing over this kinda stuff, its a wonder Oleg even finished the damn thing with all the nit picking and stressing that goes on.

[klem]

;214505'].....
Guys really need to stop stressing over this kinda stuff, its a wonder Oleg even finished the damn thing with all the nit picking and stressing that goes on.


'ere !

you can't stop people having an unfounded argument over a speculation!

That's not British. We thrive on meaningless discussion and foggy statements - just ask our politicians.

[Trumper]

;214505']Stop worrying about the weather. The summer of 1940 was a nice warm summer with mostly clear skies with light clouds. Weather only halted flight operations for a few days.
Guys really need to stop stressing over this kinda stuff, its a wonder Oleg even finished the damn thing with all the nit picking and stressing that goes on.
Well it is still weather LOL,and i really don't think it is nit picking either.

[jameson]

Weather 1940, lol!

http://www.battleofbritain1940.net/0021.html

WEDNESDAY JULY 10th 1940
ORDER OF BATTLE AT THIS TIME [ Document-22 ]
WEATHER:
Heavy cloud at 9/10ths covered most of Britain. Rain was widespread over most of the west, the midlands and the north. Showers were prevalent over the south and the south-east and over the Channel.

THURSDAY JULY 11th 1940
WEATHER:
The morning of the 11th, was typical of what one could expect on a English summers day. Southern England was covered in exceptionally low cloud, and thick fog in many areas would have made flying impossible.

FRIDAY JULY 12th 1940
THE WEATHER:
Heavy rain periods in the north with 8/10ths cloud but clearing as the day wears on. In the south-east there was low cloud, occasional showers with thunderstorms but clearing by the afternoon, while in the west the early morning cloud cleared to give way to sunny periods.

SATURDAY 13th JULY 1940
THE WEATHER:
Early fog covered much of southern England and restricted any flying operation until mid-morning. Then clearing conditions but low cloud persisted.

SUNDAY JULY 14th 1940
THE WEATHER:
Fair, with high cloud.

MONDAY JULY 15th 1940
THE WEATHER:
Low cloud persisted most of the day with occasional heavy rain.

TUESDAY JULY 16TH - WEDNESDAY JULY 24TH 1940
THE WEATHER:
The weather played an important part in activities during this time. One day it was heavy fog, not clearing until about midday, another day it was very dull with occasional heavy rain, then when things started to brighten up, the cloud rolled in again and rain became widespread.

[Rodolphe]

...

;214505'] The summer of 1940 was a nice warm summer with mostly clear skies with light clouds.


Reading Patrick Bishop's book "Battle of Britain, A Day-by-Day Chronicle, I got a very different feeling of that "mystical" nice and warm 1940 summer. ;)


Chapter 2 : Beginning the duel

08 July 1940 Heavy cloud in the early morning.
10 July 1940 Cloud and showers in the south
11 July 1940 Overcast in the south; thunder with sunny spells elsewhere
12 July 1940 Foggy over Channel; cloudy elsewhere
13 July 1940 Early fog in southern parts, clearing mid-morning.
14 July 1940 Fair all day
15 July 1940 Low cloud.
16 July 1940 Widespread fog over Dover Straits and the southeast
17 July 1940 Cloudy and wet
18 July 1940 Rain in southern England; cloudy over Straits of Dover
19 July 1940 Showers with bright intervals
20 July 1940 Occasional thunderstorms; cloudy in Straits of Dover, brightening later.
21 July 1940 Fine and fair early, clouding over during late morning
22 July 1940 Straits of Dover fair, but Channel generally cloudy
23 July 1940 Slight haze in the Straits of Dover.
24 July 1940 Cloudy, rainy and fog in The west spreading east.
25 July 1940 Fine day; hazy in Straits of Dover
26 July 1940 Low cloud and heavy rain
27 July 1940 Cloudy, later clearing
28 July 1940 Fine and fair; cloudy in evening
29 July 1940 Clear and fine; slight mist in straits of Dover.
30 July 1940 Drizzle and low cloud
31 July 1940 Fine and fair; haze over the Channel


Chapter 3 ; Intensification

01 Aug 1940 Fair inland, but Channel overcast
02 Aug 1940 Cloudy in the eastern areas, and Channel overcast.
03 Aug 1940 Fog and cloud in the south; occasional bright interval.
04 Aug 1940 Cloud and fog clearing by evening.
05 Aug 1940 Fine and fair; hazy over Channel.
06 Aug 1940 Cloudy with strong winds.
07 Aug 1940 Mainly fair; some cloud, and thunderstorms in east.
08 Aug 1940 Showers, with bright intervals and light winds.
09 Aug 1940 Cloudy with some showers; Channel overcast.
10 Aug 1940 Thundery, with rain and winds; some bright intervals; Channel cloudy.
11 Aug 1940 Fair in morning, turning cloudy.
12 Aug 1940 Fine with some mist patches.
13 Aug 1940 Cloud and drizzle, turning fair later.
14 Aug 1940 Heavy cloud over Channel, brighter inland.
15 Aug 1940 Some cloud over Channel but fine elsewhere.
16 Aug 1940 Early mist, generally clearing later.
17 Aug 1940 Fine in the Channel, with some cloud in the east.
　

Chapter 4 ; Hardest days

18 Aug 1940 Misty over the Channel, but otherwise fine and fair some cloud later.
19 Aug 1940 Cloudy, with occasional showers in the east.
20 Aug 1940 Generally cloudy with rain.
21 Aug 1940 Cloudy with occasional rain.
22 Aug 1940 Cloudy with rain and winds.
23 Aug 1940 Showers with bright intervals inland; cloudy over southern and eastern waters.
24 Aug 1940 Fine and clear in the south.
25 Aug 1940 Fair early in the morning, later cloudy.
26 Aug 1940 Mostly cloudy, with brighter patches in the south.
27 Aug 1940 Rain in central and eastern parts; cloudy over Channel.
28 Aug 1940 Mostly fine and fair, with cloud in Dover Straits.
29 Aug 1940 Showers, with bright intervals; cloudy over Channel and Straits of Dover.
30 Aug 1940 Generally fair, but some low cloud.
31 Aug 1940 Generally fair with some haze over Thames Estuary and Dover Straits.
01 September 1940 Fair with some cloud, clearing in the afternoon.
02 September 1940 Generally fine and warm after early mist patches.
03 September 1940 Fine and warm, with some haze in the Channel and Straits of Dover.
04 September 1940 Fine and warm; some haze in the Channel and Strait of Dover.
05 September 1940 Continuing fine and warm, with some cloud later.
06 September 1940 Fine but cooler. Some haze over the Straits of Dover and Thames Estuary.
　


Chapter 5 ; Culmination

07 September 1940 Fair with some haze
08 September 1940 Fair early in the morning, turning cloudy later.
09 September 1940 Scattered showers, thunder in the east; Channel fair.
10 September 1940 Cloudy, with rain and thunderstorm.
11 September 1940 Showers over Thames Estuary and Channel, Clearing later.
12 September 1940 Unsettles, with heavy cloud and rain in most parts.
13 September 1940 Generally unsettled and cloudy.
14 September 1940 Showers, local thunder, and dense cloud over southern waters and southeast.
15 September 1940 Fine with some cloud patches.
16 September 1940 Cloud and rain.
17 September 1940 Squally showers with thunder and bright intervals.
18 September 1940 Generally unsettled, occasionally bright.
19 September 1940 Rain all day.
20 September 1940 Generally fair with some showers.
21 September 1940 Mainly fine.
22 September 1940 Dull, with fog in the morning, clearing by the afternoon.
23 September 1940 Generally fine.
24 September 1940 Some cloud; hazy in the Straits of Dover and Thames Estuary.
25 September 1940 Fair and cool in most areas.
26 September 1940 Mainly fair and cloudy.
27 September 1940 Fair along south and southwest coasts, cloudy over the Channel.
28 September 1940 Cloud over the Channel, the Straits of Dover and Thames Estuary.
29 September 1940 Fine early on, with cloud latter.
30 September 1940 Generally fair, with some cloud and light winds.

Etc ...

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/511L%2Bi7ljkL._SS500_.jpg
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[DD_crash]

I enjoyed reading that book (just finished it :))

[KG26_Alpha]

Oh dear things are bad .......

They're talking about the weather

Let me find a nice street corner for you to have a natter about stuff :grin: