Orcs on the March - high score/highlights/combat statistics

[loreangelicus]

I figured I'd start a high score thread, one for each campaign. But instead of just focusing on the high score, I would like to make it a trend to have people post both the highlights screen as well as the combat statistics screen; and if possible, the character screen as well. I really want the high score thread to be informative as well, especially for newer players who would like some idea as to how veteran players play the game: class chosen, skills selection, units used, and items used.

Given my hope for this thread, please do post your results no matter what your score is or difficulty you played. That way even veteran players could gain some insight on other play styles and tactics employed. So please post your results! Also, it is recommended to post your images in JPEG format since it is smaller in size and you could see a preview of the attachment. The screenshots in KB are saved in bitmap format; simple right-click and "edit" it and Windows will open it using Paint. From there, just choose "save as" and select JPEG format.

I personally have just literally begun playing OotM. I'm really looking forward to using the new units, and hopefully they revitalize the base KBAP campaign in a significant way.

For those who have finished this, please post your results! :) I'll do the same once I finish my game, though it would most likely take me a couple of months to finish this one. :)

[hotfix666]

I post my resultat here later when I have finish my game... I play little every day :)
I dont get under 7 days but maybe 12 :D

[ckdamascus]

I have finish it... 21 days... Level 59 (around 1300 points)

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I play on hard and not Impossibel.
When I reach a new island... I take what I can take... I fight with the enemies I can take... I leave island and when I come back for the quest (I try make so few travels I can back to same island) I take the enemies I can. I save before and after all battles.
I run around and take items I can take... But I dont like try take items some are behind enemy some not will move or I dont like scan maps where I find items...

When I fight with petdragon... (Kill enemies with it)... I loose experience???
experience go to petdragon?

I play armored princess for some month ago... I travel back to island and buy same units... haha... I finish the game on 120 days :D

Now when I finish the game so I take gremlin first and after that I go to Kthule directly and after that go directly to Baal.
I have no AK with that 3 battles so I loose much experience there :(
Are level 60 the end so thats matter... I was 59.

I dont kill no enemy in Shettera or Rhea.
I was high level before I come to Rhea second time so I take Kthule.

First when I start game I play with pirates...robbers...sea dogs...maruders. Later I start play with paladin and assasign.
Thats is good have some luck in the game so i can get right stuff for them :D

maybe i try play a impossibel mage game later :D

I think orcs are good in OotM... But I will not try :P

magic tower was fun... last battle I have there was not so hard... For me was penultimate battle hardest... beacuse that was a big Ogre army.
Last battle was paladins so them was no problem when I have fix the Ogre.

who beat this army in shettera???
Please...help me?
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Congrats! Regarding the Scrounger army, please read this thread on how to deal with blood shaman and goblin shaman.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=16636&page=7

Or wait for the new patch that has weakened the goblin shaman.

[unicornxp]

well,this result is too much good then i expected ~\(≧▽≦)/~

my original thoughts is just to tell others how warrior finish the game in 7-8 days without specific items or units

in this game

no red dragon ,troll ,droids used
(lv5 units i only used rune mage and greed dragon)

no any physical resistants items
(well, i got the +5%res dress )

butttttttt!

my pet dragon dig 2 time back scroll in the early game (1 for the quest), so after clear Verona and Mentro i can use royal griffin and ends most battle in 3-6 turns and never dig any chests.

i got 8 ancient scrolls

2 from chests
2 from Elenhel
1 from shop
3 from duplicate navi maps

LV61 is quite easy and need about 60K EXP to LV62~~cuz i wasted some exp in weak creeps, lv62 is very possible

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/attachment.php?attachmentid=3730&stc=1&d=1287728716

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/attachment.php?attachmentid=3729&stc=1&d=1287728716

[ckdamascus]

As usual, fantastic work!

Looks like you did end up using the Mega Goblin team. :)

Did you use Royal Griffins with the Emerald Green Dragon (and took the morale hit?)?

I wonder if Goblin Shaman RIP bosses resistances down...

[loreangelicus]

well,this result is too much good then i expected ~\(≧▽≦)/~

my original thoughts is just to tell others how warrior finish the game in 7-8 days without specific items or units

in this game

no red dragon ,troll ,droids used
(lv5 units i only used rune mage and greed dragon)

no any physical resistants items
(well, i got the +5%res dress )

butttttttt!

my pet dragon dig 2 time back scroll in the early game (1 for the quest), so after clear Verona and Mentro i can use royal griffin and ends most battle in 3-6 turns and never dig any chests.

i got 8 ancient scrolls

2 from chests
2 from Elenhel
1 from shop
3 from duplicate navi maps

LV61 is quite easy and need about 60K EXP to LV62~~cuz i wasted some exp in weak creeps, lv62 is very possible


Excellent work young master! :)

At first I was looking for how many AKs you got from the Raven, but then I saw that you used the Warrior instead of the Paladin; so one of the regalia items could not be used.

At what locations did you get the following items?:

memoirs of the marshal
random chain
hand of necropolis

I'm also assuming you used the officer's patent and shark's tooth; with all these +XP items its actually ok for the game to NOT generate any powerful items; it would just pain you not to be able to use them.

I'm asking the location of the +XP items since I see in some games that all of these items could spawn pretty early in the game: Debir - Scarlet - Bolo - Rusty - Verona - Montero. The hand of necropolis in particular has a good chance of spawning at undead locations (ie shipwrecks, etc.) at Rusty and Verona. I even saw the Raven spawn at the Verona river farm, though more often than not it is found in Elon (if at all).

EDIT:

Did you use Royal Griffins with the Emerald Green Dragon (and took the morale hit?)?

The statistics screen only shows 3 EGDs used (most likely an early to mid game unit), so unicornxp's army composition was royal griffin/goblin/goblin catapult/goblin shaman/paladin.

[unicornxp]

As usual, fantastic work!

Looks like you did end up using the Mega Goblin team. :)

Did you use Royal Griffins with the Emerald Green Dragon (and took the morale hit?)?

I wonder if Goblin Shaman RIP bosses resistances down...

since i got Royal Griffins,time back spell and sacrifice, i left the green dragon in castle and never use them~~

Goblin Shaman + phantom paladin's re-action also works well when VS bosses~~

the last fight vs Baal i spend only 5 turns~~

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/attachment.php?attachmentid=3732&stc=1&d=1287753085


At what locations did you get the following items?:

memoirs of the marshal
random chain
hand of necropolis



my last status

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/attachment.php?attachmentid=3731&stc=1&d=1287752762

memoirs of the marshal i got at Verona , it may spawn at Scarlett;

chain of chance only spwan at Scalett, the new quest location;

Raven can get at Verona, Mentoro or Elon,but until u reach ELon, u may not have enough Thron seeds to feed the Raven~~

hand of necropolis i found at Nameless, so i lost at least 30k-50k exp cuz this item may spawn at shipwreck in Rusy ancho~~

i didnt us paladin becaus i don't have enough patience to save&load AK scroll
Elenhel provide 4 scroll but i only got 2 AK, the Raven may at least provie 4 scroll, but this really is a test of one's luck and patience=_=

[jake21]

Crise; only 5 turns; those shamans much have done mega damage. BIt confused about one thing i this fight Baal always seem to wipe out 1/2 my army on first turn (I think he also gets first move). Do the goblins move before Baal and if so does he still use the sword attack on first turn during your fight ?

[ckdamascus]

Crise; only 5 turns; those shamans much have done mega damage. BIt confused about one thing i this fight Baal always seem to wipe out 1/2 my army on first turn (I think he also gets first move). Do the goblins move before Baal and if so does he still use the sword attack on first turn during your fight ?

Usually your ranged units will go before Baal (Quick Draw + Onslaught) and you can position them thanks to Tactics.

If you place them properly, you can minimize damage from the sword. You don't want to bunch them up too much. Somewhat a dark science yet again. :)

[BB Shockwave]

Odd question, but... why did you max out Power of Darkness and not Anger or Training? Doesn't that only affect undead, while you are using mostly Orcs?

[ckdamascus]

Odd question, but... why did you max out Power of Darkness and not Anger or Training? Doesn't that only affect undead, while you are using mostly Orcs?

I suspect that he used Solo Black Knight stacks OR he planned to use it just in case the ranged team failed.

A worthy hedge considering the Pet Dragon is not useful against bosses whereas Black Knights are. :)

You can see in his screen shots he had quite a stack of solo Black Knights in reserve...

[unicornxp]

This game i used 17 AK scrolls
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/attachment.php?attachmentid=3904&stc=1&d=1289549340

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/attachment.php?attachmentid=3905&stc=1&d=1289549340

last status VS Baal
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/attachment.php?attachmentid=3906&stc=1&d=1289549340

LV64 need 70k exp and it's possible if i have 21 or more AK scroll

but LV65 i think unless who can get 25-30 AK without Elenhel's help or it's really impossible

[loreangelicus]

Great work young master! :)

[hotfix666]

Great work young master! :)

Its very good finish the game on 7 days :D

Maybe skip some quest and clear the game on 5 days and get higher points?

Only go to every island 1 time and kill the enemy?

How kill people bosses in the beginning of game with low leadership?

How shall I kill Kthule?

[hotfix666]

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Not 7 days and no loose... but I happy I have finish game on impossibel on 14 days :)

I dont know why I have miss some quest :(

But I think is impossibel come to level 64... beacuse if you use ak scroll early in game you dont get much exp there.
I change companion when I know I dont can get anymore ak scroll from enehel.

I think I take a loong break now from KB :-P
I hope KB 2 comes :) Gonight :cool:

[loreangelicus]

Congratulations hotfix666! I especially like how you used Archdemons in your game, a cool unit that rarely gets to see active play. :)

[hotfix666]

Congratulations hotfix666! I especially like how you used Archdemons in your game, a cool unit that rarely gets to see active play. :)

I get him from wanderscroll :)
Him are cool :D ... you can make good things with him and stone skin :D
Use some rage... (petdragon)
Use stoneskin on archdemons...
After that take the red and black dragon... pantom runmage and heal. The battle is quick and over :-P
Its only arcdemons and paladins some survive Scrouger.
I use demoness and teleport guardsman on the battlefield.
I find guardsmans after I kill Samman. I saw them have 20% more damage on veteran orcs. (when I fight veteran orcs on debir in the beginning)

[BB Shockwave]

This game i used 17 AK scrolls
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/attachment.php?attachmentid=3905&stc=1&d=1289549340


7 days? That's impressive. How much time did it take in real time?

And btw, is the troop count bugged? 237 Rune Mages? :confused:

[atlatea]

7 days game only doesn't take that much real time, in fact it's slightly faster to finish (not the days, the real time), and much much faster if you don't care about casualties/losses.

The most time consuming thing is getting Ancient Knowledge scroll (need to replay many battles). unicornxp must have such patience to accumulate 17 AK.

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Impossible with Mage next. Haven't used Mage for years

[Meegor]

to unicornxp: Can you show screen of saves? You know, cheats...:rolleyes:

my game:

http://img156.imageshack.us/i/fightern.png/

http://img638.imageshack.us/i/mazec.png/

[ckdamascus]

to unicornxp: Can you show screen of saves? You know, cheats...:rolleyes:

my game:

http://img156.imageshack.us/i/fightern.png/

http://img638.imageshack.us/i/mazec.png/

If you mean cheating by using cheat codes, if he did, it would say Amelie the Cheater in the title for the end game.

Unless he is really good at photoshopping. :)

[Meegor]

I tried a cheat levelup, and name remained the same...

http://img814.imageshack.us/i/cheatb.png/

[ckdamascus]

I tried a cheat levelup, and name remained the same...

http://img814.imageshack.us/i/cheatb.png/

Oh wow, admittedly, I never used the cheats in a full game to completion (only to test data), so I never realized it, just took what people said as gospel.

That's good to know though.

To be frank though, it isn't a real competition to be taken seriously. If someone wants to cheat/lie to everyone else, ultimately, they are only cheating themselves.

Maybe it is better to ask players how they did certain tasks that you might find difficult.

I'm one of the dumber players on this forum, and I find nifty things here and there for myself. So, I am sure there are tons of little strategies that other players know that you can apply to your game.

I wonder if someone should write up a comprehensive strategy FAQ? A lot of players find the same common strategies on their own though, but the advanced stuff which might seem like common sense, is probably not that common sense at all. :)

[atlatea]

Well, this is new, perhaps not all cheats give you cheater tittle?

I'm sure the crystal one gives you that tittle.

[Minecontrol]

Just curious but how did you get the warrior to 50k Leadership?

Generally with flags & level ups you would have amassed about 43K at lvl 61.

Leadership in the game can only come from...

Level ups (about 90% of total in most games), flags (no more than 4-5K the whole game i would think) and items (but the warrior doesn't seem to be using +Leadership items).

Impressive to do it in seven days though. To me that seems it must be like visiting every island only once.

Edit: I never considered Flaming Eyes, maybe that is the reason.

Great game though, which i don't think i would ever best. In real time in Amelia's world it must have looked like she was on speed or something, just running crazily from fight to fight and flag to flag and never checking out the scenery ;) Cause the minutes in game run down nearly as fast as seconds in our time when not in pause.

[ckdamascus]

Just curious but how did you get the warrior to 50k Leadership?

Generally with flags & level ups you would have amassed about 43K at lvl 61.

Leadership in the game can only come from...

Level ups (about 90% of total in most games), flags (no more than 4-5K the whole game i would think) and items (but the warrior doesn't seem to be using +Leadership items).

Impressive to do it in seven days though. To me that seems it must be like visiting every island only once.

Edit: I never considered Flaming Eyes, maybe that is the reason.

Great game though, which i don't think i would ever best. In real time in Amelia's world it must have looked like she was on speed or something, just running crazily from fight to fight and flag to flag and never checking out the scenery ;) Cause the minutes in game run down nearly as fast as seconds in our time when not in pause.

You also get leadership items from the Stones you rescue! Flaming Eyes is definitely a big pusher too.

I've considered a "Ultra Leadership" build.

Yeah, the 7 day builds almost require some element of luck (not to downplay it, just saying) to get the right distribution of items or to be lucky enough for Call Colossus.

Impressive stuff, none the less!

[Minecontrol]

You also get leadership items from the Stones you rescue! Flaming Eyes is definitely a big pusher too.

I've considered a "Ultra Leadership" build.


I have just completed my uber leadership game. The effective leadership of my final stack of 34 Red Dragons was 70k (with flaming eyes). I also had 800 repair droids (split into two groups for the Baal battle (and about 600 droid guards), left the Shamans in the castle (too much of a resurrection headache). :cool:

Final Game and score (i didn't plan my island hops precisely enough, so some lesser quests (eg return this (and then be told it's not good enough to go back and get another one) or fetch that) went unfinished...

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9306/kbgameover1.jpg

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/2482/kbgameover2.jpg

[ckdamascus]

I have just completed my uber leadership game. The effective leadership of my final stack of 34 Red Dragons was 70k (with flaming eyes). I also had 800 repair droids (split into two groups for the Baal battle (and about 600 droid guards), left the Shamans in the castle (too much of a resurrection headache). :cool:

Final Game and score (i didn't plan my island hops precisely enough, so some lesser quests (eg return this (and then be told it's not good enough to go back and get another one) or fetch that) went unfinished...

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9306/kbgameover1.jpg

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/2482/kbgameover2.jpg

Congrats! Yeah, I like Shaman, but they tend to not be good in Heroic Battles. :)

[atlatea]

Impressive to do it in seven days though. To me that seems it must be like visiting every island only once.

No, unfortunately not.

The most important thing about 7 days game is the island loop.

Yeah i said loop, that means each island is visited more than once.

But there is also an exception like bolo, everything in bolo can be finished in one go, so no need to go back there, another is umkas.

I mean, no quest in bolo require you to go to another island than back to bolo, unlike debir for example.


Yeah, the 7 day builds almost require some element of luck (not to downplay it, just saying) to get the right distribution of items or to be lucky enough for Call Colossus.

This is both 100% wrong and 100% correct.

If you don't use scanner, you need some luck in the items, especially for very high lv run.

As for the 7 days run, if you know how to do it, even without scanner, there is no need for luck.

Remember, not all things in the game is randomized.

However, there is some sacrifice, that is you're very limited in your choice, i mean most of the time you use the non randomized element of the game, certain type of units and items are not randomized.

Example? Droids for units, inquisitor sword for item, there are others, but i don't remember them quite well.

Well, you can defeat all enemies in the game with just droids, though you probably need a -leadership item for dwarf race, probably two.


The most important thing in doing 7 days run is island loop, and don't forget to scout other island as soon as you get the map.

After you get other island map, save your game, scout that island, make plan on all things (units, items, skills, spells), you often forced to change units if you don't you scanner though, so prepare your gold.

And the hardest part in doing 7 days run is actually the first 4 island, though to me it's not that hard, just very very super boring.

And about call of colosus for early game, actually in CW, it is possible to not use that, remember, you can get rune mage early, in scarlet, just try to reach 2k leadership, the island there always sell rune mage (one of the non randomized element of the game). Yep, if you don't have call of colossus, that rune mage is the earliest lv 5 unit you can possibly have.

However, it is much easier and not boring using call of colossus.

And no, you don't need luck to get call of colossus, just have lv 2 treasure searcher and be prepared to replay many of your battles to successfuly acquire 1 of that scroll.

Though i suggest to not use it after you reach 2k, instead just use droids, 1 archmage, rune mage in bolo, reach 2500 leadership there, always reachable for paladin and warrior (i don't know about mage), then get black dragon, that zag zag and ship fortress orc will be very easy, and from them you get the easy start, so much exp for early game.

Not to mention a black dragon so early in the game is very very nice.

However, the fact is you have two choice, keep using your black dragon + other units, or use another lv 5 available to you + other units, i mean for example you can switch your black dragon with giant after you reach montero.

Yes, giants will outdamage your 1 black dragon (from call of colossus), but i always choose to keep using my black dragon, the burn effect is nice, like a mass helplesness, not to mention 1 black dragon is much harder to bring down than couple of giants.

Well, the choice is up to each individual though.

[ckdamascus]

Ok, beat the game with the Ogre build. I'm a little disappointed that in the end, Black Dragons did the most damage. I guess the power of two-tile piercing is not to be underestimated. I also got Ogres a bit later.

I wasn't going for a speed run and did a lot of back-tracking

Incidentally, I was able to beat 93 Quests, up from 92! I'm not sure what I did differently besides taking a lot longer to beat the game (in game time).

I'm relatively pleased since the damage output of the Ogres (and Gigantic Friends) was respectable. The damage varied, but I was able to hit maximum damage a few times, which usually went around 10-20K damage.

I had nearly 100% critical on counter attacks, and since the Warrior's Counter Attack ability works with Ogres (and his Gigantic Friends), I did more aggregate damage than with the Warrior Ranged team. It is also interesting to note that Counter Attack allows me to retaliate against enemy "no-retaliation" units such as Dryads, Ancient Vampires, Royal Snakes, etc.

So, it seems I had the Endurance of the Mage Summoner Team and the Firepower of the Warrior Ranged Team. Truly the best of both worlds!

For the final battle though, I had the Ogre and Orc Chieftain sit out. Ogres are only good if they can score quick kills in normal battles for adrenaline boosts. Orc Chieftains are ridiculously WEAK until they get Adrenaline up.

Trolls raise their attack rating dramatically against Baal... ooh so much death... the Troll loves hearing the cries of fallen units!

So the trolls were sporting around 21K damage per hit on critical against Baal. Not too bad. I'd imagine the Black Knights do better, but with black knights I have to allow a summon to live.

[ckdamascus]

Here is my Might/Mind/Magic Tree along with my basic item usage.

[bucazaurus]

Pics from my crazy attempts to reach the max level (hehehe !!! )

First attempt , i was thinking small . Only lvl 127
Second attempt , once again i was thinking small. Lvl 633
Third attempt , in progress . Lvl 1060 after clearing Debir and Scarlet Wind .
I have a feeling that i can push harder then this . Maybe at the fourth attempt ... !?
:)

[ckdamascus]

The only thing that bothers me is that you used "The Destroyer"... I used that nickname too! Haha. :)

[bucazaurus]

Sorry for that :)

A fourth attempt it doesn't seems to be needed. 1060 is the magic number.
I don't get exp anymore. So it's official.
Max level in game , 1060 .

[Elwin]

How the heck so much?

[ckdamascus]

How the heck so much?

Those Griffins were King of the Griffins....

If I had to guess, he modified the .kfs or whatever files to give more XP.

[bucazaurus]

How the heck so much?

Learning skill level 1 ,was set to 999.999.999 % exp.

[ckdamascus]

I replayed my Mage Summoner build, this time using Demonologists to help out.

I dropped red dragons from the mix and only used one to help me out. I couldn't get the Emerald Dragon because I didn't have enough leadership to carry all 50/50/50 guys in one shot.

Black Dragons, Rune Mages, Demonologists were the primary mix. Later on, I would throw in Black Knights to help me with Ktahu, Baal, and the first round of the Arena of Death. Very early game, I used Engineers as well.

Surprisingly, I was able to beat my old score and do it with zero losses.

Some highlights

- beat Hagni the first time around, so I can speed up travel later and get the treasure on Umkas
- used Archmage Skill to great success with the new 1.3.1 Rune Mages
- used Slow more effectively
- freed the Skull of Pain, achieving a much higher intellect rating
- Used Holy Anger level 3 (Mind Tree) for once... wow it is a great skill
- Killed Gremlion with Death Star
- Killed Baal with Black Hole (still used Black Knights for easier recovery though)
- 9 Days to win, down from 14!
- I avoided Ogres the first time around, but later on, my Dragon of Chaos was able to tank them.

I don't think the way I play, I could achieve 7 days. Mostly because my build requires me to go to Verona fairly early to get the Call Phoenix scroll, then go back to sweep everything. I can probably drop it to 8 days, but it seems like a lot of work.

I would have to not dilly dally as much while on Montero's Caves and possibly kill some enemies at lower levels as well.

It is a little strange beating Ktahu so early on though. In a weird way, it makes everything else seem so much easier in the second half of the game, which is somewhat fun.

I used mostly Summons. Occasionally, some battles I would do Summons + mega debuffs.

I mean, no real point in achieving a godly army if you can't really use it, right? :)

[jake21]

Yea - but I want to know where the 93'rd quest came from :)

btw in my no loss games i was able to reach level 61 (though only 92 quests in each). The big problem is my days play tend to be around 18.

[ckdamascus]

Yea - but I want to know where the 93'rd quest came from :)

btw in my no loss games i was able to reach level 61 (though only 92 quests in each). The big problem is my days play tend to be around 18.

Yeah, I'm not sure either. It has to do with the order of how I do the quests, which seems to be related to the "quasi-speed" run since I have gotten 92 quests before, and 93 quests.

The speed run forces you to engage in certain battles a bit early, so you need a very "overpowered" strategy.

For me to hit higher level, I would need to keep all my "experience items" equipped. It isn't so much that I couldn't do it, I just don't want to do it.

I love having a lot of intellect or doing nearly maximum damage, etc. Not to mention, I also need to farm for Ancient Knowledge scrolls, which to me, is brain numbing since I would have to save/reload a lot.

Yeah, the second half of the game forces a lot of travel time and makes those last few days jump up like nuts. :(

[Zechnophobe]

The 50/50/50 you are talking about is the pirates, bowmen and robbers yes? You can buy max amount you have leadership for, put them into reserves, and then repeat. You don't need the leadership for the full stack, just the coin.

[ckdamascus]

The 50/50/50 you are talking about is the pirates, bowmen and robbers yes? You can buy max amount you have leadership for, put them into reserves, and then repeat. You don't need the leadership for the full stack, just the coin.

But you only have 2 reserve slots. :) There is still one last "50" stack. I think the robbers are the "lowest leadership" one.

You need at least enough leadership to hold a single stack to do it in one go. I'm a mage. So, not enough leadership. :)

Also, I need those slots eventually to stock up on certain units to bring along with me.

[Zechnophobe]

But you only have 2 reserve slots. :) There is still one last "50" stack. I think the robbers are the "lowest leadership" one.

You need at least enough leadership to hold a single stack to do it in one go. I'm a mage. So, not enough leadership. :)

Also, I need those slots eventually to stock up on certain units to bring along with me.

Well, just to be technical, you do not actually need enough leadership even for the third stack:

Buy, say, 25 Bowmen from castle. Place in castle reserve area. Buy 25 more, place in castle. Click on 50 bowmen in castle, get 50 out of control bowmen. Of course, you can't FIGHT with that, and you may need to be doing that :P.


So, that aside... I'm about to go to Shattera at level 43, and have to do it in one run. I hear that scrounger is a bit of a beast, but haven't seen her forces yet. So far against Orcs I pretty much always have to target someone so that the shamans don't use spells. I assume Shackles won't work. What spells does Scrounger get up to?

[ckdamascus]

Well, just to be technical, you do not actually need enough leadership even for the third stack:

Buy, say, 25 Bowmen from castle. Place in castle reserve area. Buy 25 more, place in castle. Click on 50 bowmen in castle, get 50 out of control bowmen. Of course, you can't FIGHT with that, and you may need to be doing that :P.


So, that aside... I'm about to go to Shattera at level 43, and have to do it in one run. I hear that scrounger is a bit of a beast, but haven't seen her forces yet. So far against Orcs I pretty much always have to target someone so that the shamans don't use spells. I assume Shackles won't work. What spells does Scrounger get up to?

Oh yeah I forgot about that! Good point. I think my problem was I actually had to fight.

Oh man, that is pretty low level for Scrounger.

She doesn't use attack spells as far as I can remember.

Occasionally she will Teleport a stack to you. Most of the time, she uses Phantom. :(

Good part is, no Geyser or Lightning.

However, Phantom is very problematic because she is an all Orc army, those Phantom goblin shaman might regain Astral Attack. :( So you either waste a round dispelling, or hope it hits one of YOUR phantoms instead. :)

There is some randomness on what stacks she can call up. Sometimes there are more Orc Veterans (YUCK), other times, more Ogres (can be bad). Almost always, a large host of Goblin Shaman and Goblins. :( That is where I saw the Goblins do 5 attacks in a row. :(

My last game, I saw a stack of 1600 goblins.

My general strategies for it is either somewhat disable, or Summon Storm e.g. keep phantoming units that can summon.

You almost have to drop Ball of Lightning a few times to whittle the enemy down.

You could go Mystic Egg (she usually doesn't go for it, but the board can get crowded), but Ball of Lightning might work better.

[Zechnophobe]

Maybe I'll get lucky and she'll roll over to a Dryad Storm. I might try single stack of bone dragons possibly. Ogres would be a problem though...

[ckdamascus]

Maybe I'll get lucky and she'll roll over to a Dryad Storm. I might try single stack of bone dragons possibly. Ogres would be a problem though...

Yeah, Dryad Storm might work since you might be able to Perma-Disable half of the army with Sleep and the Thornic Flood... hmm.

The problem is, will they have enough initiative? :) I guess with Girl Power they would. :)

One thing I hated about using the low level units is the lack of defense. They take ridiculous damage from everything. :(

Also, single stack bone dragon might not fly. (I considered the single stack Black Knights...). Poison is definitely good though.

Goblin Poison Axes bypass ALL RANGE modifiers and ALL DEFENSE. (the range bit is quite a killer).

Goblin Shaman - Astral Attack... they might kill your entire stack in one round.

Blood Shaman - Astral/Magic Attack... this won't hurt as badly if you got the Crown of Chaos

Shaman - Magic Attack - finally, it has been nerfed to actually take the unit's defense into consideration and it is relatively easy to get high magic resistance.

Ogre - Drain, although if you have high initiative, you probably will never get drained.

Nevermind the Ogre Chieftain stack that she usually has. :) Ugh, I love dragons and their shoot-through, but the Ogre Chieftain and their SMASH-Through can really suck for summoners.

[Zechnophobe]

So the idea is to lock out their special magicks with Target. That will work on all shamans that have ranged attacks, or are within melee range. This has worked well against other notable forces. I expect Scrounger to be much stronger though, so I'm not sure...

The Goblin Shamans and their '-1% resistance' on each hit can be the real killer here. If I have 75% physical resistance, each hit is increasing that damage significantly... And the 95% magic resistance is even more noticeable.

Hmm, Will really just come down to one of the following:

1) Can bone dragons survive AND KILL fast enough?
2) Can I get a dryad chain going?
3) Will she somehow have a weaker formation I can use a standard army to fight?

If she magically has no Goblin Shamans, things get a lot easier. I may consider pain mirror + time back too. Take a hit from, like, a blood shaman, and then nuke the crap out of it.

[atlatea]

What class are you? I guess mage?

If yes, just black hole with insane int, of course you need few ways of decoy, like disabling them with dryad or anything like that, always try to throw a black hole, 2 should be enough.

It's not that -1 % resistance that you should fear about scrounger army, but the poison ability of the goblin thrower, it's the most damaging ability of scrounger, far surpassing dual astral attack from 2 shamans (goblin + blood).

And if you use target, just watch out for the poison. As for astral attack, you can ignore the one from blood shaman, but watch out for goblin shaman.

Generally, most dangerous threat: Ogres, blood and goblin shamans, poison from goblin axe thrower, you can ignore the rest.

Mystic egg is one of your best friend.

[ckdamascus]

Ugh, my memory is getting too short. Yeah, Black Hole is the best option as a Mage... I simply did not have it for my 'quasi-speed' run.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=16636&page=16

A real shame, as this time around, I could have easily smacked her with like 84 int.

I'm also a little miffled and confused about Black Hole damage. The mouse-over the spell book said it did around 19K maximum damage. Yet, against Baal and Friends, I did 27K a few times.

[atlatea]

Hmm, weird, i never use mage more than once in CW though, and i barely recall how good my black hole back then, but your int seems higher than me.

Anyway, i guess the weird thing is a good weird thing right? :) I mean doing more than the listed dmg.

Just a theory, maybe the listed max dmg in the description can't go over 19k, but your spell can exceed that number. Or maybe boss battle has its bug, if i remembered right boss is the most buggy elements of CW

[bucazaurus]

It's the other way around .Max damage listed can go over more then 19k , but spells can't exceed the maximum damage listed. Tested with a modified Armageddon spell. Min - Max damage are the same ( Damage listed 250.442.858.496) . Damage inflicted 14.633.482.

[ckdamascus]

Why doesn't everyone ever believe me? :)

Ok, Three of the pics are of me preparing, showing my gear, and the spellbook.

It says 18,649ish damage or so max.

I start off against Baal, doing close to 27K to one of the archdemon stacks, but yet, doing more than 18,649 to all stacks.

I then do it again from a saved game BEFORE I went into Baal, admittedly it has 81 intellect, since the base damage is 19,000, not 18,649.

In that one, I only do 21000 damage (sorry, hit screensave before the battle log showed it).

I do it again in Reha, I do up to 28,174 damage. Low damage is 12,829.

A few possibilities

- Gloves of the Destroyer does ADDITIONAL post damage boosts that we are unaware of.
- Certain enemies are weak against Astral damage, but I didn't realize it or bother to check?

If Gloves does another 40% on top of the 40% boost, it would sort of explain that.

The gloves clearly affect the spell book description

19000*1.4 ~ 26600. But that is lower than the top damage of 28100. Also, that does not explain why my low damage was 12890 which is far lower than 40% boost on the minimum of around 11000 damage.

So that doesn't quite fly either.

buz, you probably can't see this unless you use the Gloves of the Destroyer. I'm fairly certain the bug or FEATURE is related to having two Gloves of the Destroyer. Ironic that the cheat method cannot break the rules, but the real method can? ;)

Feel free to try to replicate my build using cheat methods and see if the results are the same. I'm a little too lazy to do any more testing on this for now.

Or if someone is really into it, I can provide my saved games.

[atlatea]

I believe you, really. Perhaps the only one to do so.

Yeah i agree, to discover the cause, one must (identically) replicate the case rather than do the optimum possible experiment by changing the code.

In other words, i believe it is something more than just listed max dmg in description vs fact exceed it (or vice versa).

Boss battle is the most buggy element in this game, someone even defeat K'tahu without even fighting him by upgrading item, and still got the xp and the rewards.

[Zechnophobe]

In King's Bounty: The Legend, Black Hole did more damage to low morale creatures. Is this a possible factor here? If you have necromancers and oil mist dropping morale will you suddenly do super bad-ass damage with it?

[ckdamascus]

Well, in my tests, I was able to do more damage than the stated maximum, even in non-boss battles.

That said, I still seemed to do above normal damage against all targets in the Baal boss battle though. Could just be random luck though.

All I did was go around with a single stack of Black Knights, and the first thing I did was drop Black Hole. No pre-buffing at all.

I could probably test further by removing the Gloves of the Destroyer and seeing if that "fixes it" back to normal.

I'm a little too lazy to do so though haha. I've really played this game WAAYY too much lately, so I am taking a break. Haha.

I'll do some more tests later to see if the Gloves are the key issue.

I wonder if I am just doing some major oversight here. That said, it might also be my usage of wanderer scrolls. Maybe Depth of Knowledge (+10 intellect) acts strangely?

[Zechnophobe]

Well, I have finished. No loss, impossible, mage. Day 18. 93 Quests completed.

Hardest fight in the game was definitely Scrounger. Partially due to Blood Shamans simply casting one of their abilities even when feared... which is some weird bug I've never seen before. Ultimately Magic Shackles did her in. It was surprising how hard to kill her Trackers were if they could get their summon out.

Also, I feel like the Battle with Baal was ALSO bugged. I recall before when he summoned troops, he would always fill the ring directly adjacent to him with troops. In my fight, there were noticeable gaps that let me keep hitting him. It was really weird.

I used the Phoenix trick to keep hitting him at 2x speed, and took him down decently fast using the solo stack of Bone Dragons (35). Got close when one of his Archdemon stacks was finally large enough to Halve my stack, had to throw a timeback into the mix there to survive. Baal finally died to a poison skull :P.



18 Days was clearly worse than I could have done. I didn't really truly think about a fast run until about day 11, and even then made obvious mistakes (Gah, you have to go back to Elon after going to Reha :(.)

[ckdamascus]

Well, I have finished. No loss, impossible, mage. Day 18. 93 Quests completed.

Hardest fight in the game was definitely Scrounger. Partially due to Blood Shamans simply casting one of their abilities even when feared... which is some weird bug I've never seen before. Ultimately Magic Shackles did her in. It was surprising how hard to kill her Trackers were if they could get their summon out.

Also, I feel like the Battle with Baal was ALSO bugged. I recall before when he summoned troops, he would always fill the ring directly adjacent to him with troops. In my fight, there were noticeable gaps that let me keep hitting him. It was really weird.

I used the Phoenix trick to keep hitting him at 2x speed, and took him down decently fast using the solo stack of Bone Dragons (35). Got close when one of his Archdemon stacks was finally large enough to Halve my stack, had to throw a timeback into the mix there to survive. Baal finally died to a poison skull :P.



18 Days was clearly worse than I could have done. I didn't really truly think about a fast run until about day 11, and even then made obvious mistakes (Gah, you have to go back to Elon after going to Reha :(.)

Congrats!

Interesting. I guess you whittled down her army enough to make magic shackles usable?

Ah, good ol fear. I remember using it a lot when I first played this game, but I have not used it since. With such high intellect, it was probably worth considering to use.

I never used Slow either, but I found it indispensible in my later runs. :)

I have very little experience in fighting Baal before Crossworlds. I think the reason for his "partial ring summon" is if you have your units adjacent to him, before the summoning, he can't summon there?

Yeah, Ancient Phoenix is great at double hitting, but they tend to do so little damage against Baal himself due to fire damage. I'm surprised you didn't go for Dragon of Chaos?

Ahhh... good ol Poison Skull, bane of all demons. :)

I really hate the "fast route". You have to do really funky things to succeed. In a weird way it is a good challenge, but it sometimes diminishes the fun. I had to restart to some of my older "check point" saved games because I would forget to talk to some people to clear the quest list.

[Zechnophobe]

Congrats!

Interesting. I guess you whittled down her army enough to make magic shackles usable?

Ah, good ol fear. I remember using it a lot when I first played this game, but I have not used it since. With such high intellect, it was probably worth considering to use.

I never used Slow either, but I found it indispensible in my later runs. :)

I have very little experience in fighting Baal before Crossworlds. I think the reason for his "partial ring summon" is if you have your units adjacent to him, before the summoning, he can't summon there?

Yeah, Ancient Phoenix is great at double hitting, but they tend to do so little damage against Baal himself due to fire damage. I'm surprised you didn't go for Dragon of Chaos?

Ahhh... good ol Poison Skull, bane of all demons. :)

I really hate the "fast route". You have to do really funky things to succeed. In a weird way it is a good challenge, but it sometimes diminishes the fun. I had to restart to some of my older "check point" saved games because I would forget to talk to some people to clear the quest list.



I didn't use the ancient phoenix to have it attack, I used it to allow me to fit of energy my bone dragons each turn. You keep the Ancient Phoenix DEAD so it can't be removed from play, and on each of its turns (where you would have the chance to resurrect it) you instead just cast fit of energy to let the bonies do even more poison.

Only one stack of Scrounger's army was greater than 60k leadership (or was level 5 anyway) so the magic shackles worked on the first turn. The 66k worth of Furious goblins were knocked under 60k by ball lightning. Note that I used a Flaming Eyes scroll to get 30k leadership for the fight, making my shackles particularly potent. I realized that I had 25k leadership for the fight base, and that 20% more would get me to 30k, and that as a mage I get 2x Leadership for shackles, so I used the scroll even though I didn't really have more army to put in.

It was super effective ;P.

[Zechnophobe]

By the way, I note I DID get all 93 quests. I noticed something during the run through. If you talk to Arianna after defeating the White Kraken, you can get her to change her inventory. I'm wondering if it is like an unmarked quest, and that is giving you credit?

I will double check when I get home and count my completed quests for me penultimate save just to make sure.

[ckdamascus]

I didn't use the ancient phoenix to have it attack, I used it to allow me to fit of energy my bone dragons each turn. You keep the Ancient Phoenix DEAD so it can't be removed from play, and on each of its turns (where you would have the chance to resurrect it) you instead just cast fit of energy to let the bonies do even more poison.

Only one stack of Scrounger's army was greater than 60k leadership (or was level 5 anyway) so the magic shackles worked on the first turn. The 66k worth of Furious goblins were knocked under 60k by ball lightning. Note that I used a Flaming Eyes scroll to get 30k leadership for the fight, making my shackles particularly potent. I realized that I had 25k leadership for the fight base, and that 20% more would get me to 30k, and that as a mage I get 2x Leadership for shackles, so I used the scroll even though I didn't really have more army to put in.

It was super effective ;P.

I always figured there was some way to abuse that "dead Phoenix" thing. I also have contemplated on abusing Fit of Energy for my Shrek army. :)

Ah yes, Flaming eyes can definitely be helpful there, good thinking!

Yes, the furious goblins are very annoying to deal with, especially since I usually roll with level 5s. :(

Interesting. I think I did do Arianna's White Kraken thing in all of my games though, and I still only got 92 in one of my games.

[No Casualties]

lvl 61, all medals, pet dragon lvl 60, over 8.3 mil gold.

[No Casualties]

and Spells screenshot

[Zechnophobe]

Well, apparently winning the game like 12 times isn't enough. I've decided to do a 'fast' no loss run through, going the minimum number of trips to each island.

I know some people have figured out the 'best' way of doing it, but I wanted to try and figure it out by myself. Here's my route:

Debir (Clean, steal scrolls in Eventus)
Scarlet (Clean, quest for Rusty
Bolo (Clean completely)
Rusty (Clean, maybe leave zag-zag. Get password for Scarlet, have 50-50-50)
Verona(As many quests as possible)
Montero (Get wings?)
Dersu (glasses for Bobur, bagourti in love, kill uzala)
Tekron (CLEAN COMPLETELY, including abyss!)
Umkas (Clean completely... what if we need wings? Might need wings of Necro call before this!)
Reha (pillage, get documents for Elon)
Nameless (At the very least clean dungeon, and get all quests for elsewhere)
Uzala(Defeat Ruler, get all pearls, clean)
Elon (Rescue Telion and kill Shenobi, buy demon skin, Astrology, hunchback cure)
Rusty (Deliver cure, zag-zag if not)
Scarlet (Open cave, time back scroll, get chest
Debir (Finish tower of eventus, return that one chick)
Verona (Deliver papers to degosh, get astrology stuff, wings if not already, clean anything else missed, nameless quest, Demenion)
Dersu(drop off shenobi, kill frog, deliver glasses)
Uzala(Turn in quest)
Shattera(get soul for Lew Klisan, kill Scrounger, clean)
Elon(Deliver soul, kill Gremlion)
Reha (Clean, kill K'tahu)
Verona(finish)

So far so good, halfway through Scarlet. I was hoping to do the first Eventus fight to see what scrolls they had on level two, but it just wasn't reasonable.

The new shop on Debir sold two Engineers, so I gladly purchased them (area blind is rather good that early in the game :P). Debir had the ancient amulet... but good luck getting 50k before leaving the island! DID dig up Fear early on, so that's nice. Also did a quikc test 'run' to Rusty Anchor and found the shop there selling Green Dragons, so I don't need to stress out about getting the pirates/robbers before getting there. (though I may anyway since that cave is loot city, and the EGD is free).

Anyone have luck defeating the Kraken before leaving the second island? I think it may be doable, but not sure.

I don't normally use the save game scanner, but I'm considering it just to make sure there is a timeback scroll (or two !). Not being able to finish that quest sounds infuriating.

[atlatea]

About defeating kraken before leaving 2nd island, i never try it in the new patch, but on previous patch it is easily doable with warrior and paladin for true no loss, but i never tried it with mage.

Usually i just use archmage/inquisitor, rune mage (must reach 2k leadership before leaving 2nd island), royal thorn, orc tracker. It is possible to replace rune mage with red dragon if you replay battles for call of colosus, but i usually save my call of colosus for black dragon, so that i can clear all rusty with ease, that zag zag guy is considered as the hardest obstacle in rusty anchor by most people for 7 days no loss run (especially if they use call of colosus for red dragon), but he is nothing with a black dragon, and black dragon in KB CW is much better than in AP or TL.

[Zechnophobe]

I barely have 1k as a mage, so I don't think a Rune mage is going to be on the table. Not even sure there are enough fights to get Tactics 2, and the idea of blowing a lot of mind runes for leadership doesn't sound like a good idea at the moment.

Also.. why bother with Zag-Zag on Rusty? You can get him later, and he isn't worth that much xp and gold anyway?

Crap, I just realized I forgot to kill the necromancer in Debir, Guess I'll reload my pre-leave save. Doh!

[ckdamascus]

I barely have 1k as a mage, so I don't think a Rune mage is going to be on the table. Not even sure there are enough fights to get Tactics 2, and the idea of blowing a lot of mind runes for leadership doesn't sound like a good idea at the moment.

Also.. why bother with Zag-Zag on Rusty? You can get him later, and he isn't worth that much xp and gold anyway?

Crap, I just realized I forgot to kill the necromancer in Debir, Guess I'll reload my pre-leave save. Doh!

It hurt my time, but I snuck to Verona to get Call Phoenix, that is how I killed the Kraken.

I might have also had Jesus Boots ... er Sandals of the Martyr. :)

Not sure if you want to hear too many hints, if not then consider


















Also, you can save time if you can kill Ktahu the first time you go to Reha.

[Minecontrol]

Ugh, my memory is getting too short. Yeah, Black Hole is the best option as a Mage... I simply did not have it for my 'quasi-speed' run.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=16636&page=16

A real shame, as this time around, I could have easily smacked her with like 84 int.

I'm also a little miffled and confused about Black Hole damage. The mouse-over the spell book said it did around 19K maximum damage. Yet, against Baal and Friends, I did 27K a few times.

How the hell can you get 84 intelligence!? :confused:

A good end game magic with me would have around 30-40.

Well, apparently winning the game like 12 times isn't enough. I've decided to do a 'fast' no loss run through, going the minimum number of trips to each island.

That's what i am doing now with mage, currently cleaned most of Verona/Montera lvl 29 on middle of day 5 - but with so many boat trips ahead i don't think i could do it in 7 - what is irritating is that i can 'almost' kill the hag in the castle for my wings - 'almost' - but not quite and i have to leave here now... pity. I don't know how people do it in 7 days when you consider all the go here talk to this person return to island B talk, go back to the original island quests.. I think for Crossworlds 8 or 9 days is more realistic (including orcs quest).

[Zechnophobe]

I'll be pretty content with 8 or 9 day run. And since I *know* I am losing time in Reha, I am pretty sure that makes 7 days impossible. Maybe if I get a good cheese strategy going I can do Reha in one shot? Heh.. yeah right.

So, I finished Scarlet last night, and payed out for Glory 3 for that 350 leadership, that gives me enough for a rune mage, and Bolo has Cyclopses (I may have enough leadership for two before I leave, if I get to my 50th fight here!).

I'm in a bad way for some more rage, so I may need to use my next might runes on Rage Control. Haven't found any good items for it yet and still only have 15 (I am SOOO glad I grabbed the +5 rage dragon, some of these fights would not have been doable without mystic egg).

Only tricky fight on Bolo is the Droid. I seem to recall he likes magic lock and lightning (not at level 3, thankfully). There is also the Verona Scroll here that I will try to get, it is often guarded by large but very weak stacks. I didn't both defeating that army on Scarlet since the scroll was not there.

I am somewhat worried that I have left a few fights behind. The necromancer on Debir was basically impossible without some crazy exploit. Same with Richard the Cruel and one other pirate there (I did get Dick Korma for the dragon slayer medal though!). I'm hoping I don't run out of steam by skipping these fights.

[atlatea]

How the hell can you get 84 intelligence!?

A good end game magic with me would have around 30-40.

lol it is not possible without save game scanner. Well, it is possible without scanner, but the chance is very low, unless you're a very lucky guy.

Use scanner, and 84 int is no dream.


@Zechnophobe
I guess it is possible to get 2k leadership at the end of scarlet with mage, though you probably need some luck with +leadership item. I'm not sure, but i'm 100% sure it is possible.

Though i never tried it myself. I tend to play paladin, or warrior.

As for zag zag, i think any xp is worth, 7 days run usually mean no kiting, so any way to boost lv is welcomed, that's why any xp is worth. Though it depends on your route and other self set rules.

[Zechnophobe]

So yeah, I did need all 700 leadership from Glory, and I did need 200 leadership from items (I may have gotten lucky on flags too, dunno). That put me at about 2040 Leadership (enough to get a 5th Engineer too!)

I had the +100 leadership, +2 int armor and the +100 leadership belt to get there. I think I had Strategy 2? (I might have gotten that right at the start of Bolo, I honestly don't remember now).

[Zechnophobe]

I just realized that my path is many hours faster than the ones others use, since I don't actually worry about getting back to Debir early to get the items there. All things considered, you should be able to shave off a lot of time knowing that! Also, if I CAN do Reha in one trip, it should be substantially faster...

[ckdamascus]

How the hell can you get 84 intelligence!? :confused:

A good end game magic with me would have around 30-40.



That's what i am doing now with mage, currently cleaned most of Verona/Montera lvl 29 on middle of day 5 - but with so many boat trips ahead i don't think i could do it in 7 - what is irritating is that i can 'almost' kill the hag in the castle for my wings - 'almost' - but not quite and i have to leave here now... pity. I don't know how people do it in 7 days when you consider all the go here talk to this person return to island B talk, go back to the original island quests.. I think for Crossworlds 8 or 9 days is more realistic (including orcs quest).

What can I say, my Mage is just very smart. :)

Wait, that is with Depth of Intellect Wanderer Scroll!

Actually, the funny thing is, I got it purely by luck. I NEVER intended that save game to be my ultimate "intellect" build. It was for 100% critical Demons. That single saved game has been able to net me quite a few fun games since I can replay it with a different bias.

It just happened to have Belt of the Victor, Archmage Staff, Two Dress of the Magess.... :)

[Zechnophobe]

I think I just pulled off a minor miracle. I just finished Bolo, completely, on the first visit (debir-scarlet-bolo).

The only way this could happen, is because I found the +2 attack, +2 Defense gloves, since it let me do the arena fight against Yakivik. Also, I DUG UP a Target scroll that let me defeat the robot (Magic shield + target +stoneskin on Cyclopses barely lasted all the way to the end of the fight to keep his 200ish repair droids from massacre-ing me).

Was quite an endeavor I must say. I used 1 (later 2) cyclopses, Engineers, repair droids, 4 archmages, and 1 runemage.

I have to admit the Runemage is a little better than I gave it credit for the first time. The utility of a weak Summons + strong ressurect really keep things moving.

Arrived at Rusty with 3500 Leadership (Grand Strategy +1000). I should walk away from here with 2 Green Dragons, unless something goes horribly wrong. Since I've now got a pretty darn slick fighting force, I should be able to do all the non-hero fights here with ease.

[Minecontrol]

What can I say, my Mage is just very smart. :)

Wait, that is with Depth of Intellect Wanderer Scroll!

Actually, the funny thing is, I got it purely by luck. I NEVER intended that save game to be my ultimate "intellect" build. It was for 100% critical Demons. That single saved game has been able to net me quite a few fun games since I can replay it with a different bias.

It just happened to have Belt of the Victor, Archmage Staff, Two Dress of the Magess.... :)

I have never seen the Archmage Staff.

It is interesting that you can play this game for the umpeenth time and still find an artifact you have never seen before.

That's why i like playing random, you never know how handicapped or blessed your game is going to be by what is available in the shops. This time i am using a thorn army for the first time, i have blackthorne and plan to get Dryads, ancient ents - use Rune mages and archmages to go with my Royals.

Plan seems good until i get to Sheterra. :-P

[atlatea]

Archmage staff is an upgrade from novice staff.

From the data collected, the maximum int a mage can achieve is 70 (not including ancient knowledge scroll).

[Zechnophobe]

Archmage staff is an upgrade from novice staff.

From the data collected, the maximum int a mage can achieve is 70 (not including ancient knowledge scroll).

That is from items, you could get more int from random shrines I think. Also wasn't 70 based on pre Gift Bag items?

[ckdamascus]

That is from items, you could get more int from random shrines I think. Also wasn't 70 based on pre Gift Bag items?

Yeah, I got some from shrines and also the Ring of the Mind (+3).

My maximum natural intellect was 74. Possibly can go higher, but I never bothered to check if other belts/regalia provided intellect boosts.

Elenhel +4
Scale Shield +3
Belt of Victor (if this can be replaced with Belt/Regalia),
Dress of Magess +4
Skull of Death +5
Metamorphic Axel +4
Pendant of Iron Will +2
Archmage Staff +5 (from Novice Staff)
Usurer's Ring +5
Dress of Magess +4
Belt/Glove? (if this can be replaced with something else)
Sandals of the Martyr +4
Ancient Amulet +4

[Fatt_Shade]

Not much of high score due to my problem with onslaught skill, but it`s funny to see my exp lvl.
Was going 100% crit with Triger, orc range, and paladin/blood shamans as support. In first screen check exp number and know that next lvl is on 1.708.500 :-D
Main dmg dealers were Goblins reason is in second screen.

[ckdamascus]

Not much of high score due to my problem with onslaught skill, but it`s funny to see my exp lvl.
Was going 100% crit with Triger, orc range, and paladin/blood shamans as support. In first screen check exp number and know that next lvl is on 1.708.500 :-D
Main dmg dealers were Goblins reason is in second screen.

The game manual says Berserker only raises your attack based off of base value.

So, 125% + Int/2, or maybe 135% or 2.35 * 16 + 38 attack. I guess that is pretty good, but the loss of control sucks.

I would hate it when they would attack so I cannot resurrect all my units in time. :)

Orcs don't really need trigger, unless you really like his slots better. Once a goblin kills a single unit, he gets +10 morale, so you don't need "that" much base critical to increase it to 100% after the morale bonus.

[joasoz]

This is a fantastic thread. I have just read through it all :)

I just wish they would make a new Kings Bounty game. Dont have to be Kings Bounty II. Just use the current textures and creatures. Make a new story and new lands. Pretty please with sugar on top. I would buy this without reading a review!!