Poll/PS3: Would you pay for German Cockpits?

[MACADEMIC]

Would you pay EUR/$ 10 to get all German fighter cockpits as DLC on the Playstation Store?

Have your say, please vote!

MAC

[vdomini]

Would you pay EUR/$ 10 to get all German fighter cockpits as DLC on the Playstation Store?

Have your say, please vote!

MAC


I surely do!!! thumb up!!

[Lexandro]

Its never going to happen mate unfortunately. The publishers just are not interested in putting any more money towards the title. It would cost them to have the DLC made available in the first place, and the outlay is something the suits simply wont allow.

When the publishers wont even pay for a 360 patch, you know its all over.

[vdomini]

Its never going to happen mate unfortunately. The publishers just are not interested in putting any more money towards the title. It would cost them to have the DLC made available in the first place, and the outlay is something the suits simply wont allow.

When the publishers wont even pay for a 360 patch, you know its all over.

It's a found raising! The main idea is to send MACADEMIC flying a real P51 above the dev's head, trowing sacks of 10 euro money paper above them while looping.
Surely they will patch the game after that.

[Gilly]

No I wouldn't but I'd happily pay £10 ( which is more than $10/€10 anyway) for the cockpits!!!!!
I would though rather spend my money on more aircraft, specifically in my case the Lancaster and Mosquito as these, being English, are as iconic as the spit or hurri. Why a bleinheim???? and not even the pretty mk1 either!!!
we can all vote to the cows come home but I know it's never going to happen so as much as I'll add my vote to the thread sadly it's only ever going to be for personal amusement.

[Gilly]

It's a found raising! The main idea is to send MACADEMIC flying a real P51 above the dev's head, trowing sacks of 10 euro money paper above them while looping.
Surely they will patch the game after that.

If he was in a real 'stang then I'm pretty sure german virtual cockpits would be bottom of his list of priorities!!!!

[MACADEMIC]

Well, Vdomini guessed it right, if there's enough of a demand for it then it's a business proposition. The cockpits are all available, the developers have already made them for WOP. Thus this could be a WIN-WIN situation for everybody: devs, publishers and us, the community.

The battle plan is this: the community drums up enough support for it (votes), I'll then fly over (to) the devs as Vdomini suggested (perhaps not in a P-51 but some other quite impressive bird) since I'm always in their neighbourhood, and Vdomini knocks on 505s door in Milan with an offer they can't refuse to seal the deal - and Bingo!

So everybody, let's make some noise and give us your votes!

MAC

[trk29]

I voted yes ofcourse.

[bobbysocks]

you are a true optimist where as i am a born pessimist. but sure you have my vote and i hope truely you prove me wrong.

[KAV]

No I wouldn't but I'd happily pay £10 ( which is more than $10/€10 anyway) for the cockpits!!!!!
I would though rather spend my money on more aircraft, specifically in my case the Lancaster and Mosquito as these, being English, are as iconic as the spit or hurri. Why a bleinheim???? and not even the pretty mk1 either!!!
we can all vote to the cows come home but I know it's never going to happen so as much as I'll add my vote to the thread sadly it's only ever going to be for personal amusement.

As Gilly puts it, I rather believe the cows will be coming home before german cockpits happens so my vote goes to:

The Cows:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I44PUvoL70w

[MACADEMIC]

Hey all you pessimists out there.

:)

The question to vote about is not if you believe it to happen or not, just, if you could dare to imagine that it would, whether or not you would be willing to dish up the dough or not.

Anyway, all opinions are welcome.

MAC

[wolfbite]

I'm being a bit of a negative norman... But I wont pay for what should have been added in free patches...

[vdomini]

it would also be super cool to have the possibility to customize your own plane!!!

Like... changing color... or, adding a custom logo on wing/nose! Wow...


okay okay.. i'm getting off topic!!

VOTE VOTE VOTE!!

[MACADEMIC]

it would also be super cool to have the possibility to customize your own plane!!!

Like... changing color... or, adding a custom logo on wing/nose! Wow...


okay okay.. i'm getting off topic!!

VOTE VOTE VOTE!!

Thanks God I'm not the only optimist here. See what our cousins over at WOP only recently got - customizable skins! For now they can only be viewed by the creator in a Multiplayer game, but the devs are speaking of a sequel which will include the same viewable for all players, plus full mission editor, and so on. Keep fingers crossed their chopper title under Activision will be a financial success and we may see a console version of the sequel.

Attached an example of a work in progress.

MAC

http://forum.yuplay.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=1186&view=findpost&p=18413

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk71/Mysticpuma/Screengabs%20for%20Wings%20of%20Prey/Helen3.jpg

[trk29]

That P51 is beautiful.

[Zatoichi_Sanjuro]

Helen is beautiful.

She sure is. But I'm sure she's spoken for.

[McQ59]

This game, and this forum, is the best investment in personal entertainment I've ever done. A $100 has lasted a year, and still rolling! The hours spent online the last year I will not even bother to count... Would propably forced me to think 'Get a f*#' life!'

I would gladly invest a new $100 on any add-on to BoP.

[MACADEMIC]

Thanks to all who have voted so far - please also spread the word when you're online, there are many many players who are not visiting this forum so often but who might also want to have a say.

Just so that all know what we're missing out on. Bf109-E3 dogfight from Cockpit perspective in Wings of Prey.

Enjoy!

MAC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeKqaccTmRM

[olife]

Would you pay EUR/$ 10 to get all German fighter cockpits as DLC on the Playstation Store?

Have your say, please vote!

MAC

yeeeeeeees!!!!!!!!!!!for sure

[MACADEMIC]

This game, and this forum, is the best investment in personal entertainment I've ever done.

I couldn't agree more. The devolopers have given us such a great playground with this game, and incredible value for money. All pessimism aside, let's drum up our support for future products/releases/features, if anything it shows them our appreciation.

MAC

[JOED70]

I agree Mac best hundred bucks I ve spent as well . A better question might be would you pay a for updates every say 60 days for this game to continue on line play. That would be an intersting way to make revenue on a sim. Every 60 Days you have to download a new update / map/ or plane .
This would then let you continue online play . I see that as a way to make sims more of a profitable genere. Less players but more dedicated so the residual profit potental is higher.

[BRIGGBOY]

yes i would but the ONLY reason why is that you cant interact or just have a good chat with people on wop like you can on the psn.

[olife]

Well, Vdomini guessed it right, if there's enough of a demand for it then it's a business proposition. The cockpits are all available, the developers have already made them for WOP. Thus this could be a WIN-WIN situation for everybody: devs, publishers and us, the community.

The battle plan is this: the community drums up enough support for it (votes), I'll then fly over (to) the devs as Vdomini suggested (perhaps not in a P-51 but some other quite impressive bird) since I'm always in their neighbourhood, and Vdomini knocks on 505s door in Milan with an offer they can't refuse to seal the deal - and Bingo!

So everybody, let's make some noise and give us your votes!

MAC

teacher mac and vodkadomini,old warriors thanks a lot for all u do and will do!!!respect!!!

[vdomini]

teacher mac and vodkadomini,old warriors thanks a lot for all u do and will do!!!respect!!!

Lol i like VODKADOMINI :D

that would be my nickname while i'm flying LA and YAK lol ;)

But sadly i have to be carefull with vodka... last time i've drank it i've had too much and .... i felt asleep with my head on my fav pub counter :oops:

[olife]

Lol i like VODKADOMINI :D

that would be my nickname while i'm flying LA and YAK lol ;)

But sadly i have to be carefull with vodka... last time i've drank it i've had too much and .... i felt asleep with my head on my fav pub counter :oops:

hahaha!!!!!!!!!!loooool!!!

[Shadowcorp]

Firstly the developers here are paid by 505 publishing; who have already made it clear that they are no longer funding any improvement to this game.
No matter how we pressure them here, 1c has been given something of a gag order by 505 publishing and cannot pay any real attention to this forum or its members with regards to birds of prey, as no payments are coming to them from 505 publishing to continue supporting this game with content and updates; the 1c company itself will be pursuing revenue from other games where it owns the rights completely and does not have to run everything past another company. It is unlikely if they will not pay to get the basic patch through microsoft QA; that they can afford to have anyhing else brought into either of the stores playstation store or xbox marketplace let alone the the cost of developing what you are asking for.
BoP is not the finished item we had hoped for, have some patience and wait for a sequel thats not published by 505 and that will more likely have the things you asked for i.e. all cockpits extra aircraft etc, just don't expect it to meet it's first or second release date good games seldom do.

[edal86]

Hope this works because those german cockpits would be great and we deserve them! :)

Good luck

oohh, dont forget to add locked cockpits please

[MACADEMIC]

Hope this works because those german cockpits would be great and we deserve them! :)

Good luck

oohh, dont forget to add locked cockpits please

Thanks Edal,

I was thinking about locked cockpits and some bug fixes too too but that would have to be a title update and not just DLC from the store - would have to be the same across the entire platform. If we are to have any chance with this, we have to ask for something which will bring them extra revenue, not just costs. So, for example a mission pack as DLC with German cockpits, and perhaps the Wings of Luftwaffe missions.

MAC

[MACADEMIC]

Firstly the developers here are paid by 505 publishing; who have already made it clear that they are no longer funding any improvement to this game.
No matter how we pressure them here, 1c has been given something of a gag order by 505 publishing and cannot pay any real attention to this forum or its members with regards to birds of prey, as no payments are coming to them from 505 publishing to continue supporting this game with content and updates; the 1c company itself will be pursuing revenue from other games where it owns the rights completely and does not have to run everything past another company. It is unlikely if they will not pay to get the basic patch through microsoft QA; that they can afford to have anyhing else brought into either of the stores playstation store or xbox marketplace let alone the the cost of developing what you are asking for.
BoP is not the finished item we had hoped for, have some patience and wait for a sequel thats not published by 505 and that will more likely have the things you asked for i.e. all cockpits extra aircraft etc, just don't expect it to meet it's first or second release date good games seldom do.
Thanks shadowcorp, we'll see. Just one question, a simple yes or no would do: are you on the inside of either of the relevant parties, i.e. Gaijin, 1C, 505 or another?

MAC

[Shadowcorp]

no i'm not involved in any of the said organisations,
But working as a QA in a video games studio has allowed me to understand how much a publisher is actually involved in the process; they are essentially the bank that fronts a project, without the publisher being on board theres no money to pay the developers to improve or initiate change within a game.

[MACADEMIC]

no i'm not involved in any of the said organisations,
But working as a QA in a video games studio has allowed me to understand how much a publisher is actually involved in the process; they are essentially the bank that fronts a project, without the publisher being on board theres no money to pay the developers to improve or initiate change within a game.

Thanks. Excuse my ignorance, what does QA stand for?

[bobbysocks]

quality assurance....makes sure it is without fault, "user friendly" and the best product that can be sold. he should have worked for 505 :-P

[vdomini]

MMhhhh if they aren't willing to patch the game, remember! There's always my PATCHING solution.....

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=15126

that's gonna work for sure!

:cool:

[dkwookie]

I never really fly in cockpit so wouldn't be bothered about buying german cockpits. I would pay over the odds for new aircraft like Lanc or Wellington or even new areas of combat like Market Garden or Overlord

[Hrok81]

Voted!

I haven't played online in the last months, but I still love this game and would gladly pay for german cockpits.
Vdomini, I live not far from Milan, so if you need an extra hand when crushin...knockin' 505 door let me know ;D

[Korsakov829]

Maybe in the next generation of the game. But I don't think anyone can make a realistic cockpit for a Me-262 or other rare aircraft. Most German, Italian and Japaneese pilots who know what the planes look like on the inside are dead.

[swoop117]

Maybe in the next generation of the game. But I don't think anyone can make a realistic cockpit for a Me-262 or other rare aircraft. Most German, Italian and Japaneese pilots who know what the planes look like on the inside are dead.

Hmm ... I don't believe cockpits for other aircrafts were designed using their pilots descriptions only. Most likely there were used some documents, photos etc. As far as i understand the question was not about new cockpits for german planes but about a transferring existing ones to BoP.

[winny]

Maybe in the next generation of the game. But I don't think anyone can make a realistic cockpit for a Me-262 or other rare aircraft. Most German, Italian and Japaneese pilots who know what the planes look like on the inside are dead.

The planes are still around though..

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Me262cockpit_color.jpg

262 cockpit

[howzmidyktzt]

I would be willing to pay, I'm a german plane flying whore haha

[QBlackDeathQ]

I would be willing to pay, I'm a german plane flying whore haha

I would Love a cockpit for my FW-190D-9! I Would love the accurate shots from this view. Zoom/Boom you dead! only thing left to chance is whether make you a Jigsaw puzzle or flamer or a Flaming Jigsaw puzzle!!:cool:

[MACADEMIC]

I would Love a cockpit for my FW-190D-9! I Would love the accurate shots from this view. Zoom/Boom you dead! only thing left to chance is whether make you a Jigsaw puzzle or flamer or a Flaming Jigsaw puzzle!!:cool:

Well, first thing you would notice in a cockpit is that it's much harder to aim when you and your opponent are both locked in a high G maneuver. You often have to take a blind shot because the amount of lead you need to have any hope of hitting the target will take the target out of your sight and under your nose. Quite often I realize the opponent has maneuvered away while invisible. The real aces knew this and often waited for this moment to dodge our from a pursuer. Unfortunately in this game the pursuers planes are not accurately shown. They can shoot you when you look back and have a slight view on top of them (in a tight turn), while what you would need to see is a bit of their belly. Anyone else noticed that?

[vdomini]

[cut]
They can shoot you when you look back and have a slight view on top of them (in a tight turn), while what you would need to see is a bit of their belly. Anyone else noticed that?


What does it mean? :-o Camming around while in cockpit looks fine to me

[ARC-071]

My vote is yes, just to help

[MACADEMIC]

My vote is yes, just to help

Okay, then please place your vote on top of the page to make it count...

:)

Thanks, MAC

[Ratman91101]

Most definately.But allas,we are the few,the flying the dreaming.lol I`t would certainly be nice.But I`m sure we have gotten all there is to get.

[ARC-071]

Okay, then please place your vote on top of the page to make it count...

:)

Thanks, MAC

Doh...done! Guess I'd better clean my glasses:)

[MACADEMIC]

Just to move the poll on the first page again. If you haven't voted yet, please consider taking part in the poll.

Thanks,

MAC

[House MD 221B]

voted :)

[Akula]

I would. I'd LOVE a cockpit for the Me 262.

[Robotic Pope]

I think the vote is pretty conclusive already. The majority would have paid extra for DLC cockpits. As this is now never going to be possible we might as well let this poll end.

[MACADEMIC]

I think the vote is pretty conclusive already. The majority would have paid extra for DLC cockpits. As this is now never going to be possible we might as well let this poll end.

I beg to disagree. We need to keep this fresh to see it happen. All who haven't voted yet, please do.

MAC

[irrelevant]

It's been ages, gents. I'm sure you can guess my vote. ;)

[MACADEMIC]

It's been ages, gents. I'm sure you can guess my vote. ;)

Great, thanks! Good to see you here again, you're one of the original crew of one year back! The game still holds its fascination, imagine how much better it would be with German cockpits!

MAC

:)

[Robotic Pope]

I beg to disagree. We need to keep this fresh to see it happen. All who haven't voted yet, please do.

MAC

I don't understand what you mean "to see it happen" ? If you mean this vote has a chance of bringing us the cockpits you are bringing false hope. It is now imposible for any new update to BoP. The developers have split with the publishers 505 who own this game. 505 has absolutely no interest in BoP, They have moved on.

This vote has served its purpose last year, it had a clear result. Now it has no reason to continue.

[MACADEMIC]

I don't understand what you mean "to see it happen" ? If you mean this vote has a chance of bringing us the cockpits you are bringing false hope. It is now imposible for any new update to BoP. The developers have split with the publishers 505 who own this game. 505 has absolutely no interest in BoP, They have moved on.

This vote has served its purpose last year, it had a clear result. Now it has no reason to continue.

Pope,

Unless you are working for/with either 505 or Gaijin, have been in contact with either of them on the subject within the past 14 days, or have some other source of intimate knowledge which you would like to disclose, kindly refrain from lecturing me.

Thanks,

MAC

[Shadowcorp]

no lecture needed here mac, the fact that anton is no longer allowed to converse with us on this forum is a clear indicator that this game has been abandoned by both devs and publishlers, and from a inside source at 505 (no names for liability reasons) 505 has no intention of funding any improvement to this game.
So this is little more than wishful thinking sorry mac.

[McQ59]

Let's buy the rights from 505 guys!

[MACADEMIC]

Let's buy the rights from 505 guys!

Well done McQ59, you're thinking outside the box!

;)

MAC

[Korsakov829]

An interesting feature would be when my Fw190-F8 gets shot down, flames appear in the cockpit and blood on the glass. I might pay for new cockpits then.

[KAV]

Let's buy the rights from 505 guys!


Thats a suggestion that got my vote........

[bobbysocks]

I'll throw money in for that!

[House MD 221B]

Get them to give us a figure, and we'll talk :) I can't code, but I can do Texture Artistry to a near photo quality level :) Who wants selectable liverys! :D

[winny]

I want someone to accidentley leave a nice zip file lying around somewhere.

A USB stick in a brown envelope would also do.

If you can all wait till the end of the football season then Wookies gonna owe me a tenner so I'll donate that if needed..

[McQ59]

Way 2 go guys! We might even reach Guinness book of records; First userowned consolegame ever!

What do we got here... A crashed plane, enthusiastic nerds from all over the planet, and a tenner from winnie. What could possibly go wrong? Is there a lawyer in the building to set up a proposition for a contract? This would really be a nice and funny mission! I got a few bucks stuck away somewhere...

[dkwookie]

That tenner will actually be headed my way from Winny but I don't think this takeover bid will work so I will be buying a Man City shirt with it

[McQ59]

You'd loose that tenner anyway dk. Liverpool is gonna take it this season... yihaaa!

[Gilly]

You'd loose that tenner anyway dk. Liverpool is gonna take it this season... yihaaa!

Yep you can take that to the bank.......As long as it's not RBS!

[dkwookie]

Yep you can take that to the bank.......As long as it's not RBS!

Lol
Liverpools future is depending on a court decision in Dallas Texas. I am sure there is a cowboy joke in there somewhere...

[McQ59]

Yeah, we all know what a confused Texans can accomplish. Just tells me that nothing is impossible chaps. Even Oleg might be in for a good laugh...

[winny]

You'd loose that tenner anyway dk. Liverpool is gonna take it this season... yihaaa!

Going down like a like an I-16 with no wings.

[dimlee]

I'd pay Eur 10... or Eur 20... or more. No German cockpits is one of most serious drawbacks...

[Korsakov829]

Only would bother if they included more fronts and planes, like Africa, Crimea, Finnland, France, Japan, Crete, etc. 20 Euros are not worth it unless you get more fronts and planes.

[bobbysocks]

i wonder how far you could go with this. of course you would be able to patch and fix glitches....you could probably have add on missions where you can charge or give away. the il2 PC guys make up new missions all the time and add ac....makes me a little jealous.

[MACADEMIC]

i wonder how far you could go with this. of course you would be able to patch and fix glitches....you could probably have add on missions where you can charge or give away. the il2 PC guys make up new missions all the time and add ac....makes me a little jealous.

Great to see McQ59's input has awoken such bold fantasies. However I'd just be happy to see German cockpits coming our way (PS3) within a reasonable period of time. There's of course more to it than meets the eye. Perhaps I can give an update on the situation shortly.

Meanwhile, please get as many people as you can to vote here. There are costs involved in making this happen, and we need to see a minimum of (pledged) commitment here.

Thanks.

MAC

[KAV]

Great to see McQ59's input has awoken such bold fantasies. However I'd just be happy to see German cockpits coming our way (PS3) within a reasonable period of time. There's of course more to it than meets the eye. Perhaps I can give an update on the situation shortly.

Meanwhile, please get as many people as you can to vote here. There are costs involved in making this happen, and we need to see a minimum of (pledged) commitment here.

Thanks.

MAC

Hey Mac

As of looking at early posts on this forum, there is a load of players absent per date that used to play the game and attend the forum.

Maybe its an idea to send them a PM as a reminder and ask them to vote ?

[MACADEMIC]

Hey Mac

As of looking at early posts on this forum, there is a load of players absent per date that used to play the game and attend the forum.

Maybe its an idea to send them a PM as a reminder and ask them to vote ?

Hey Kav,

Are the cows coming home?

;)

No, seriously, I appreciate your input. I'm quite sure you'd be as happy as anyone to see it happen, and can't blame those who are sceptical about it.

Perhaps not such a bad idea you're having, although who knows if those who are not playing the game any longer would really buy, even if some would vote yes (which is a fairly loose commitment anyway).

I see a lot of new Arcade players around these days online, I have some hopes in them. I believe many don't find their way to this forum though, since the game directs players to the yuplay forum, which is rather dead for this game.

So here's an idea for all who want to help:

- send PM's to those you used to play with and ask them to vote
- send invites to the 1C company forum to online newbees you come accross via PSN messages.

Once again, thanks for your input KAV. Appreciate it.

MAC

[McQ59]

I am sure this game will keep on recruiting players and pilots. I mean... I think Blazing Angels still are alive online. Believe it or not!

I think a good strategy to get new players in sim, is for the vets in there to go easy on the new ones. Give them a break, and do a little evasive flying in the beginning of a mission to see if they handle the mode. Let them even kill you a few times. Theres a lot of really good pilots in sim that really has nothing left to prove - and the only way to get new players to stay in the mo(o)d(e) is to give them a reason to get back. Turn on your mics and do a little tutoring in stead of shooting them straight out of the sky. My opinion anyway...

[JOED70]

I think a good strategy to get new players in sim, is for the vets in there to go easy on the new ones. Give them a break, and do a little evasive flying in the beginning of a mission to see if they handle the mode. Let them even kill you a few times. Theres a lot of really good pilots in sim that really has nothing left to prove - and the only way to get new players to stay in the mo(o)d(e) is to give them a reason to get back. Turn on your mics and do a little tutoring in stead of shooting them straight out of the sky. My opinion anyway...

Amen Brother I have been saying this for a long time .

killing some one 15 or more times while they more then likely have not even been able to see your aircraft yet ( if its sim ) . Is no fun for victim and drives them away from the game . Same in realistic I watch the scores and will often try and place my self in front of a strugling player so that they at least can get one kill. 2 and 15 is so much less painfull it seems then 0 and 15

[MACADEMIC]

I am sure this game will keep on recruiting players and pilots. I mean... I think Blazing Angels still are alive online. Believe it or not!

I think a good strategy to get new players in sim, is for the vets in there to go easy on the new ones. Give them a break, and do a little evasive flying in the beginning of a mission to see if they handle the mode. Let them even kill you a few times. Theres a lot of really good pilots in sim that really has nothing left to prove - and the only way to get new players to stay in the mo(o)d(e) is to give them a reason to get back. Turn on your mics and do a little tutoring in stead of shooting them straight out of the sky. My opinion anyway...

Good point McQ59, and if I may add, we should really tell the newbies about this forum, there's plenty of good information and always a helping hand around.
Hopefully we can keep this forum up for a long time to go. If you look at the number of entries, we're only barely behind IL-2 Sturmovik, which has been around much longer.

MAC

[Korsakov829]

I really don't see much in a new player who shouts "Oh f*** a Communist how do I get rid of him?" as soon as you join a game.

[McQ59]

I really don't see much in a new player who shouts "Oh f*** a Communist how do I get rid of him?" as soon as you join a game.

To handle and ctrl my own feelings is a vital skill in this game as I see it. I think it goes for both the newbees and the aces.

(Go for the deck, count to 25, take a few deep breaths, identify the blabbermouth - and then go for a clean kill). ;)

[Korsakov829]

Its just been going on for quite awhile.

[MACADEMIC]

Dear all,

I have some good news and some bad news.

Bad news first: There will be no DLC with German cockpits.

Good news: There will be a sequel within a year's time coming to consoles, which will include cockpits, and much, much more.

Thank you everybody for voting and your support. Believe me, I didn't leave anything untried to make the cockpits happen, but due to circumstances which I'm not free to talk about it's simply not possible. Please note that the source of the news is absolutely authentic, but unofficial, and I'm not able to give any further information at this time.

So everybody, let's continue playing this wonderful game as it is for now, and be ready for the sequel!

:-)

MAC

[McQ59]

Great news MAC!
I will have absolutely no problem playing this beautiful game another year. Or maybe 2...

[trk29]

Thanks for the update MAC.

[Korsakov829]

Will it be in the 1920s-40s era? I might not buy it otherwise.

[MACADEMIC]

Will it be in the 1920s-40s era? I might not buy it otherwise.

There will be cockpits including German cockpits.

:)

MAC

[Korsakov829]

Good good! I better get a new TV to go with it, the one I got is 8 years old. Know anything about bombers though? Will they have cockpits?

[MACADEMIC]

Good good! I better get a new TV to go with it, the one I got is 8 years old. Know anything about bombers though? Will they have cockpits?

I don't know, I don't know...let's be surprised. But I'm sure it's going to be a fantastic product. Well worth a new TV.

;-)

MAC

[Korsakov829]

Oh yeah way worth it for a sequel. I would like to shoot some 190s down with a B17 with a cockpit gunner view.

[MACADEMIC]

Oh yeah way worth it for a sequel. I would like to shoot some 190s down with a B17 with a cockpit gunner view.

Yeah that would be awesome.

MAC

[Korsakov829]

Launching from a carrier, floating planes, more game modes, missions and theatres, co op. Its chilling to think of what could be in the game and scarey what could not be.

[bobbysocks]

I am sure this game will keep on recruiting players and pilots. I mean... I think Blazing Angels still are alive online. Believe it or not!

I think a good strategy to get new players in sim, is for the vets in there to go easy on the new ones. Give them a break, and do a little evasive flying in the beginning of a mission to see if they handle the mode. Let them even kill you a few times. Theres a lot of really good pilots in sim that really has nothing left to prove - and the only way to get new players to stay in the mo(o)d(e) is to give them a reason to get back. Turn on your mics and do a little tutoring in stead of shooting them straight out of the sky. My opinion anyway...

I whole heartedly agree, McQ59. i started playing a sim game 1v1 the other night and the kid messages me and says he never sim before. so i suggested we just fly around to let him get used to the difference in controls and seeing the target. i would fly infront let him try to follow....then i had him shoot to get a sense of that. the whole idea is to enjoy the game experience. a couple people showed me this kindness when i started and it helped with the frustration factor. to beat someone up just because we can will sooner or later end in empty skies. keep them coming and maybe they will talk the game up to their friends...the more the merrier.

and mac...thanks for the update. good news another game to follow...

[Korsakov829]

Its nice what you did Bobby. None the less...

...to beat someone up just becasue we can will sooner or later end in empty skies....


Complete air supperiority over Nazi Germany! Comrades, victory is ours!! This deserves a air show above the Reichstag, lets shoot each other till were smoking and spell our names in the sky.

[Robotic Pope]

Dear all,

I have some good news and some bad news.

Bad news first: There will be no DLC with German cockpits.

Good news: There will be a sequel within a year's time coming to consoles, which will include cockpits, and much, much more.

Thank you everybody for voting and your support. Believe me, I didn't leave anything untried to make the cockpits happen, but due to circumstances which I'm not free to talk about it's simply not possible. Please note that the source of the news is absolutely authentic, but unofficial, and I'm not able to give any further information at this time.

So everybody, let's continue playing this wonderful game as it is for now, and be ready for the sequel!

:-)

MAC

I'm afraid i'm with House when he said....
Forgive me, but I don't want to be a doubter, but could you tell me when that post was made?

I'd like to see an official announcement, in some public means rather than just on this forum in a post.

I'd love to believe it but I want to see a press release before i get my hopes up.

cheers trk, i dont want to be "that guy" the nay-sayer, its just I remember the arguments and the speculations that caused flame wars back when the game 1st came out. I'd just hate to see that again.

I'd love to see a sequel, but i just think raising people's hopes for something that may not come is potentially inflammatory. especially when no evidence can be used to support all the wishful thinking. by building stuff up before you even know what it is, the company can barely be able to meet expectations, let alone exceed them. but i'll take a look at your link thanks trk.

I don't want to sound disrepectful but..
Ive seen this so many times before on other game forums and it only causes trouble. You can't just come and give people good news without any information on how you know this. You were unaware that BoP is no longer suported and now suddenly you speak like you have inside knowllage. I wish it is true but I'm sorry, I cannot believe this without more evidence. I will gladly eat my words if you can tell us more on how you got this information.

:cool:

[MACADEMIC]

I'm afraid i'm with House when he said....


I don't want to sound disrepectful but..
Ive seen this so many times before on other game forums and it only causes trouble. You can't just come and give people good news without any information on how you know this. You were unaware that BoP is no longer suported and now suddenly you speak like you have inside knowllage. I wish it is true but I'm sorry, I cannot believe this without more evidence. I will gladly eat my words if you can tell us more on how you got this information.

:cool:

No problem Pope,

You and House can have your opinion on this. For some it's good news that there will be sequel to BOP, others may ignore it until an official announcement is made. You may also think of me what you want, but I don't owe you an explanation. And I can and will not say more in the subject than I already have.

MAC

[dkwookie]

BoP sold 6-700,000 copies worldwide? That's a fair number for a niche title so I can't see why a sequel is not in the works. The new Guitar Hero sold something like 80,000 copies in it's release window so that's a dead series, BoP will be back I am sure.

[The Few]

BoP sold 6-700,000 copies worldwide? That's a fair number for a niche title so I can't see why a sequel is not in the works. The new Guitar Hero sold something like 80,000 copies in it's release window so that's a dead series, BoP will be back I am sure.

Just curious because I have no idea where to go to look at the stats, was that over both platforms wookie?

[dkwookie]

Just curious because I have no idea where to go to look at the stats, was that over both platforms wookie?

Yeah thats both 360 and PS3. There was a thread long ago where sales figures were discussed so that number had probably increased since then.
The sales on PS3 were about 80-100k higher hence the PS3 getting the patch due to higher user base (IIRC)

Edit:
Here are sales for PS3. 360 sales are on link on that page
http://www.vgchartz.com/game.php?id=34917

[Korsakov829]

Perhaps I shall drive over to 1C HQ and start asking questions? I want to see if they have any of those free pens too..

[KAV]

Perhaps I shall drive over to 1C HQ and start asking questions? I want to see if they have any of those free pens too..


Good idea Korsakov.
Tell them you represent some thousand BoP´ers who would each a pen and a sequel ;)

Mac, I hope you are right, and based on Dkwooikies numbers, I cant see why not.

[winny]

MAC,

for some reason (like I already said) I believe you.

I remember at least 2 occasions where it was obvious that you'd spoken to someone from either the Devs or the publishers in the past (the sponsoring of a competition was one of them).. 1 cheeky question, have you spoken to them again?

Korsakov,

Get in your car and get over there! (get me a pen too!)

[House MD 221B]

No problem Pope,

You and House can have your opinion on this. For some it's good news that there will be sequel to BOP, others may ignore it until an official announcement is made. You may also think of me what you want, but I don't owe you an explanation. And I can and will not say more in the subject than I already have.

MAC

Don't get us wrong Mac, its not us "thinking anything of you" or not, its not about that. But you can't just announce something without supporting evidence. You can't be surprised that people find this hard to believe. a Dev should be announcing this, or a new forum or website for it. So in those terms, yes you kind of do owe an explanation. Otherwise anyone can just post random nice things as fact without evidence.

No disrespect intended, I have no problem with the times we've flown together online or conversed on here, you seem decent. But I could announce that they are re-making Air Warrior for consoles based on a central server with a subscription fee. It would be lovely, but its just my word with no proof. Surely you can appreciate and understand our feelings on this. I want it to be true, I hope your right, and I'd LOVE it if it even had only a fraction of things in the wish-list. This isn't intended to start an argument, but something, ANYTHING other than "because I've said so" IS required.

P.S. Free pens!?!?!? Korsakov.... ;);)

[Korsakov829]

Anyone know the address?
EDIT: Found it, 21, Seleznevskaya ulitsa, 123056. Its night here so I'll go in the morning.

[dkwookie]

Good idea Korsakov.
Tell them you represent some thousand BoP´ers who would each a pen and a sequel ;)

Mac, I hope you are right, and based on Dkwooikies numbers, I cant see why not.

A 1c Company pen? Its probably got slow ink relase and when it runs out of ink they will tell you we dont support that pen any more due to lack of demand....but we have a new better pen coming out soon that fixes the flaws of our previous one

[House MD 221B]

a 1c company pen? Its probably got slow ink relase and when it runs out of ink they will tell you we dont support that pen any more due to lack of demand....but we have a new better pen coming out soon that fixes the flaws of our previous one

lolol

[Korsakov829]

Lmfao, that sounds so true.

Games are released relatively fast at their source. It doesn't get out to England or America fast. And knowing 1C a little they aren't too willing to support English games.

[MACADEMIC]

MAC, for some reason (like I already said) I believe you.

Thanks Winny.

I don't think anything I can say here will convince those who insist on hard evidence, so they'll just have to wait and see. And if you read my previous posts here, I've already stated that my source is authentic. It comes down to if you believe what I say is true or not.

Anybody's choice, free world. Anyway it's nice to see that everybody wants the sequel, so in the end everone's gonna be happy.

:)

MAC

[bobbysocks]

i appreciate people's enthusiasm about this game like test-flight in the other thread..i am glad there are people excited about possibly something further happening. its a great game and the rumor of a second go around?? its like telling a kid christmas is around the corner. so i can fault anyone for getting all pumped up and letting their dreams go. but i cant hold any of the skeptics at fault either. so many rumors have come and gone there is a certain numbness to new unofficial news. "SUPPOSEDLY" a sequel was to come out but got put on the back burner because of apache air assault. "SUPPOSEDLY" its set in the pacific theater. i just want something...and i am willing to wait...and maybe write a few letters...stop by and get a pen...keep the faith, brothers...and maybe we will all be rewarded. regardless, this is the only game i play and until i am the only crate in the sky, i will keep flying.

[winny]

Anyone know the address?
EDIT: Found it, 21, Seleznevskaya ulitsa, 123056. Its night here so I'll go in the morning.

Well somehow we've managed to deploy our own special forces guy to sort sh*t out, which, for this forum is pretty impressive. Remember to secure the 'only patched Xbox in existence' (it's gotta be there) and I think I don't want a pen anymore because wookie's right.. (hang on..get me one of the NEW pens :) )

[Zatoichi_Sanjuro]

Perhaps I shall drive over to 1C HQ and start asking questions? I want to see if they have any of those free pens too..

If you succeed there will be a party at the Kremlin and you can sing patriotic songs with Putin. :grin:

[Korsakov829]

Well somehow we've managed to deploy our own special forces guy to sort sh*t out, which, for this forum is pretty impressive. Remember to secure the 'only patched Xbox in existence' (it's gotta be there) and I think I don't want a pen anymore because wookie's right.. (hang on..get me one of the NEW pens :) )

Very funny, what do you want me to do drive a tank instead of a car? Or load my AN-94 with blanks and shoot the president? Perhaps I'll gift wrap a grenade instead. So I guess I'll go out now, get a drink and head on over.

[bobbysocks]

good morning Mr. Korsakov829. your mission, should you so accept it, will to commandeer a hind mi-24, fly it to 21, Seleznevskaya ulitsa, 123056...hover in front of their plate glass window and eloquently 'splain the issues the member of the 1c forum have with the game and "SOPPOSED" sequel ( which is american english for...make them an offer they CAN'T F'n refuse!!!) we are sure they will see your point of view and comply. vodkas on me, if it works pal! if it doesnt...we at this forum disavow any knowledge of your actions...this post will self destruct in 60 seconds...good luck kors. PFFFFFT!!!! smoke vapors......~~~~~~~~

[trk29]

^lol

[MACADEMIC]

keep the faith, brothers...regardless, this is the only game i play and until i am the only crate in the sky, i will keep flying.

Good one Bobby,

hope you get a PS3, we need more people like you.

MAC

[Korsakov829]

I was over this morning, and I saw a list saying there were about four games
"To be announced" and Gaijin was listed as the developer of one. So there is a spot reserved for a sequel and it could be it.

Couldn't get any pens, so there goes my idea for auctioning off the ink.

[MIRGERVIN]

hi there guy mirgervin here finally . All thanks to mac for showing me how to post reply's thanks my friend.

[Zatoichi_Sanjuro]

hi there guy mirgervin here finally . All thanks to mac for showing me how to post reply's thanks my friend.

Welcome Mirgervin! About time! :grin:

[BRIGGBOY]

Welcome Mirgervin! About time! :grin:

+1

[Robotic Pope]

I can't wait for this new Air Warrior game. Its going to be amazing, forget the BoP sequel, this is going to be way better. I'm already making a list of aircraft I want to be in the game. ;) ;) ;)

[Korsakov829]

The thing is it might not be a BoP sequel. It can be Wings of Prey converted for the consoles.

[Zatoichi_Sanjuro]

The thing is it might not be a BoP sequel. It can be Wings of Prey converted for the consoles.

BoP is already WoP converted to consoles. I'm playing through the WoP campaign right now and it's pretty much the same game.

[Korsakov829]

They share the same theme. Think of all the things WoP has the BoP doesn't and what BoP has and WoP doesn't. I expect any new game from them to be the same WWII theme, same stuff over and over. They might as well patch it instead.

[MACADEMIC]

They share the same theme. Think of all the things WoP has the BoP doesn't and what BoP has and WoP doesn't. I expect any new game from them to be the same WWII theme, same stuff over and over. They might as well patch it instead.

Haven't you been asking for plenty new airplanes, locations and so on, all WWII theme? Plenty of room for a new game.

MAC

[bobbysocks]

They share the same theme. Think of all the things WoP has the BoP doesn't and what BoP has and WoP doesn't. I expect any new game from them to be the same WWII theme, same stuff over and over. They might as well patch it instead.

why sell or give away a patch when you can sell a whole new game? if they sold 600k games like dk said...and i would venture to say that a large percentage of those buyers liked the game....500 to 600k more @ 50 usd. nothing to sneaze at, man.

[Korsakov829]

They can sell the same thing with nothing new in it all they wan't. But after Il2, BoP, and WoP I would think people wouldn't be all so interested anymore. I'm just saying in the next one there could be nothing new, same problems, etc. Simply put, if the game has just small changes like file compression format, and a few new weapon unlocks and just about the same stuff as BoP, why bother and perhaps a co op. The new game might not be worth it if it doesn't give much more. And knowing how lazy Gaijin can be its only just too possible as it doesn't take much work to copy 95% of the previous game.

[Zatoichi_Sanjuro]

They share the same theme. Think of all the things WoP has the BoP doesn't and what BoP has and WoP doesn't. I expect any new game from them to be the same WWII theme, same stuff over and over. They might as well patch it instead.

I'm only half way through the campaign so far and it's the same campaign as BoP. You can't release the same core game on consoles again and expect it to sell.

I think Anton already hinted at a Pacific campaign in the sequel; new maps, new planes and an updated game engine.

[Korsakov829]

I've seen WoP has alot more , then BoP. I've said my piece, next sequel might be disappoint some. So I'll be taking a break from the forums for a few days, its affected my health quite a bit.

[Robotic Pope]

They can sell the same thing with nothing new in it all they wan't. But after Il2, BoP, and WoP I would think people wouldn't be all so interested anymore. I'm just saying in the next one there could be nothing new, same problems, etc. Simply put, if the game has just small changes like file compression format, and a few new weapon unlocks and just about the same stuff as BoP, why bother and perhaps a co op. The new game might not be worth it if it doesn't give much more. And knowing how lazy Gaijin can be its only just too possible as it doesn't take much work to copy 95% of the previous game.

Huh? How can you possibly know how lazy Gaijin can be? I don't quite understand what you are saying.

Gaijins next game is Apache and we will see the improvments they have made since BoP. If we then take that game and imagine the same amount of improvement again (a years worth of devellopment) to a WWII game maybe set in the pacific arena, the end game would likely be very different than BoP even if it uses the same game engine, and will have a lot of interest.

WoP = What BoP was ment to be with update support. It IS the same game. Also I believe the WoP on PC was worked on by other contracted developers while the main Gaijin team worked on Apache.

[trk29]

BOP was done before work had began on WOP to sell as a standalone game. One simple thing is BOP doesn't have German Cockpits. So BOP came first. WOP is what Gaijin wanted to give us but 505 lost interest, and like Anton said WOP is easily updated by them to users for free without having to use a publisher for patches and such.

So if a sequel is made then Hopefully by now Gaijin knows what needs to be in the sequel.

[Korsakov829]

There are many differances between both games. Fly a G-10 on BoP, and then WoP. You will see a differance for sure. Differant bullet sounds, and a cockpit. There are too many differances for them to be exact clones.

[Zatoichi_Sanjuro]

There are many differances between both games. Fly a G-10 on BoP, and then WoP. You will see a differance for sure. Differant bullet sounds, and a cockpit. There are too many differances for them to be exact clones.

Bullet sounds, cockpit sounds and German cockpits are incidental. The flight models are the same and the core single player campaign is the same. No one said they are exact clones.

[trk29]

For those who don't visit the yuplay forum here is just two posts red is Anton's reply to the member. Remember these are from February.

QUOTE (imnotgeoff @ Feb 15 2010, 05:31 PM)
hey anton just a quick question,what's your honest opinion about flight sims being on consoles?do you think that the market is there to sustain a continual community with DLC and other things,i ask because BOP is really the only one trying to do the full sim thing,the blazing angels games dont count an neither does heroe over europe.Or do you think that with all the problems regarding the bop patch for 360 and the fact sims are niche titles,that there is a future for them?

Anton


I think, they will be one or two more shots in this generation. Probably, from us :)
But I don't think DLC thing is going to work. Yes, DLC that was released by 505 was pverpriced, but there is no any other flightsim game on the market and 5% DLC buy rate would be reasonable - but it never reachs this rate.

QUOTE (Haiitch40 @ Feb 16 2010, 02:47 PM)
am i right in saying that now bop development is dead and i need to pin my hopes on you guys making a sequal??

We are very willing to make sequel (and are doing some development already, incorporating new features to Wings of Prey).
We hope, we'll sign deal with some publisher (developers can't release X360 game themselves, without publisher, even on XB Live) - the Birds of Prey was successful, probably not the best title of all times, but meets expectations.
We do not have publishing deal signed yet.

[House MD 221B]

that's a great quote, thanks trk :)

[winny]

Just to clear this up..

BoP was a basic port from IL-2 1946, simplified FM DM etc to suit consoles, graphics improved etc. WoP was a rushed port of the console version. German cockpits and sounds were already being developed for the consoles by this point.

[Robotic Pope]

Just to clear this up..

BoP was a basic port from IL-2 1946, simplified FM DM etc to suit consoles, graphics improved etc. WoP was a rushed port of the console version. German cockpits and sounds were already being developed for the consoles by this point.

Errrm....Winny, Il-2 1946 and BoP (fixed your typo in my quote) are completely different games by differnt developers using a different game engine.

The only thing they have in common is gaijin used oleg maddox' 1946 game flight statistics as a base for how the different planes perform in BoP and even then the translation of the stats between the two games seemed bad (FW190, P-51), every single plane handles differently in both games.

WoP is the PC version of BoP. It would no doubt have been called BoP on PC aswell and published on dvd had 505 games not jumped ship (505 own the BoP game name, Gaijin would have had to pay 505 royalties). By passing the PC software off as a different game they cut 505 out the loop.

[winny]

That's not what Oleg said on the other forum, he said BoP started from a port over of 1946.

The rest is spot on. WoP was a get out of jail name..

Oops on the WoP.. I'll fix it.

[Robotic Pope]

That's not what Oleg said on the other forum, he said BoP started from a port over of 1946.

The rest is spot on. WoP was a get out of jail name..

Oops on the WoP.. I'll fix it.

Wasn't hard to find my proof ;)

It isn't actually a IL2 engine.
We used only flight model and a bit of AI from original IL-2.
IL2 was very good, but is really too old now and completely not multi-platform (is uses Java a lot).



Thanks!




http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=43610&postcount=132

[House MD 221B]

i love it when "proof" shows up, makes things easy to believe :)