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bobbysocks
06-30-2010, 06:22 AM
ok here's the rules. #1 you have to guess correctly what aircraft from BoP <<<<that is the restriction ( must be a BoP ac) the pic is from. #2 IF you do guess correctly....you have to post a pic of a part of a BoP ac for us to guess....and so on. so here ya go. SO you better have something good for us if you win....lol. this is the first pic...good luck. What is it??

McQ59
06-30-2010, 07:24 AM
I wild guess... Tailweel Me 262.

P-51
06-30-2010, 08:23 AM
I wild guess... Tailweel Me 262.

The 262 had the more conventional and stable trike undercarriage did it not?

I do agree its a tail wheel though. Meaning it could be one of many things..

I-153 tailwheel?

olife
06-30-2010, 09:23 AM
ok here's the rules. #1 you have to guess correctly what BoP <<<<that is the restriction ( must be a BoP ac) the pic is from. #2 IF you do guess correctly....you have to post a pic of a part of a BoP ac for us to guess....and so on. so here ya go. SO you better have something good for us if you win....lol. this is the first pic...good luck. What is it??

i-16 tail wheel

Balderz002
06-30-2010, 10:08 AM
The 262 had the more conventional and stable trike undercarriage did it not?




Correct, although some of the prototypes did have tail wheels, untill it was found to be VERY unsafe, and a few planes went pop!

P-51
06-30-2010, 10:54 AM
That prototype must have been a death trap, if you throttled up to quickly and you'd have an afterburner unit in the engine!

bobbysocks
06-30-2010, 03:32 PM
Good catch olife. you are correct. its the tail wheel of a I-16. ok now its your turn to post a pic for us to guess.

olife
06-30-2010, 06:21 PM
[QUOTE=bobbysocks;167504]Good catch olife. you are correct. its the tail wheel of a I-16. ok now its your turn to post a pic for us to guess.

thanks a lot bobbysocks,i was lucky...
very good thread

now what is it?

bobbysocks
06-30-2010, 07:17 PM
i'm going to guess its a D520 like the sig you have under it... :grin:

olife
06-30-2010, 07:25 PM
i'm going to guess its a D520 like the sig you have under it... :grin:

no,sorry...

to help u, i must say the plane of my pic is in the game il2 birds of prey

P-51
06-30-2010, 08:13 PM
Spitfire? From that angle I'd say a mark2?

olife
06-30-2010, 08:59 PM
Spitfire? From that angle I'd say a mark2?

not a spîtfire bud

Davedog74
06-30-2010, 09:16 PM
is that a p51b olife?

bobbysocks
06-30-2010, 11:05 PM
looks like it could be a P51 with a malcom hood. but the 3 blade prop is throwing me.

Davedog74
06-30-2010, 11:37 PM
is the p51b in the game really a p51a(mustang II) ?
bobbysocks ,this ones an p51a ,i think

FOZ_1983
07-01-2010, 12:14 AM
Could be a YAK.....

bobbysocks
07-01-2010, 04:16 AM
is the p51b in the game really a p51a(mustang II) ?
bobbysocks ,this ones an p51a ,i think

i think you got it dave...olife is the official judge tho. this one has to have a merlin in it because i do not see the air intake above the prop. i never saw a 51 with a 3 blade prop before ...but never saw too many RAF 51s either. as for what is in the game...i never paid attention to the B. always flew the D. looking at a yak3 i see a lot of similarities ...just the front windshield seems too far forward...but it could be the way the pic is angled.

Balderz002
07-01-2010, 06:31 AM
I'd say it was a Yak-3

Davedog74
07-01-2010, 10:18 AM
im leaning to yak3 now,i think foz has this one,ive got a good one lined up .

olife
07-01-2010, 10:58 AM
I'd say it was a Yak-3

yes foz it is a yak but what yak?,and yes bobbysocks a lot a similarities with the yak 3 because it is a yak3.
foz guess it is a model of yak,bobbysocks have a doubt about the windshield , balder002 find the complete name the first.he have the credit.
davedog74 find it too but lightly too late.

Balderz002
07-01-2010, 11:35 AM
balderz002 find the complete name the first.he have the credit.


WAHOO! I won something! Ok, you guys will have to wait until tonight when I get home from work to see my offerings!

FOZ_1983
07-01-2010, 03:44 PM
yes foz it is a yak but what yak?,and yes bobbysocks a lot a similarities with the yak 3 because it is a yak3.
Foz guess it is a model of yak,bobbysocks have a doubt about the windshield , balder002 find the complete name the first.he have the credit.
Davedog74 find it too but lightly too late.

yak 9

olife
07-01-2010, 04:11 PM
yak 9

it is a yak 3,but agree with u there are a lot of similarities with the yak 9

FOZ_1983
07-01-2010, 04:20 PM
it is a yak 3,but agree with u there are a lot of similarities with the yak 9

I didnt read the replies before i posted, so didnt notice the YAK3 had been pointed out. My bad.

Balderz002
07-01-2010, 04:54 PM
OK then! My go! Nice easy one! Bonus point for naming the pilot!

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b208/neilbaldry/pics/Untitled.jpg

bobbysocks
07-01-2010, 05:00 PM
well....its a 109 in africa colors. so i am going with,,,,,Hans-Joachim Marseille???

Davedog74
07-01-2010, 05:15 PM
i think marseille only got oak leaves ,this guy has oak leaves and swords,only 53 luftwaffe members got both,
total guess,adolf galland 109f

olife
07-01-2010, 05:35 PM
OK then! My go! Nice easy one! Bonus point for naming the pilot!

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b208/neilbaldry/pics/Untitled.jpg

bf109f-4/z trop "yellow 14" 3/jg 27 hans joachim marseille


but too late for me,bobbysocks and dave are the first to think about marseille and bf109...

Balderz002
07-01-2010, 05:36 PM
Davedog74 got the type and model of the aircraft right, and Bobby got the pilot right!

"He reached the zenith of his fighter pilot career on 1 September 1942, when during the course of three combat sorties he claimed 17 enemy fighters shot down, earning him the Ritterkreuz mit Eichenlaub, Schwertern und Brillanten (Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves, Swords, and Diamonds). "

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b208/neilbaldry/H-JMarseille.jpg

As the rules go, its Dave who won this round, sorry Bobby!

FOZ_1983
07-01-2010, 05:36 PM
well....its a 109 in africa colors. so i am going with,,,,,Hans-Joachim Marseille???

Your right, it is indeed his 109. Sept 42.

One of his pics is him standing next to the wreck (good conditioned to) of a Hurricane he shot down!!! Not amused, its a sorry sight to see :(

olife
07-01-2010, 05:42 PM
I didnt read the replies before i posted, so didnt notice the YAK3 had been pointed out. My bad.

no probs bud

Davedog74
07-01-2010, 05:46 PM
well i got the plane,but i was about as wrong as you can be on the pilot ,iknew he got oak leaves in 42 ,but thought hed be on more kills by then,what was he playing at?,i dont know.

well, a shallow victory, but heres my effort chaps

Balderz002
07-01-2010, 05:57 PM
at first i though it looks like a Blenheim 4? Then i thought a bf110 - and thats wha i am sticking with. a BF110 -the roundall being a bit of a cheeky side stepper!

Davedog74
07-01-2010, 05:59 PM
sorry no, balderz mate(rubbing my hands together,derek trotter style)
edit. edit edit ,im not doing well today,spot on bf110
how long was that 10 mins,im going off to cry
well done and goodnight!

FOZ_1983
07-01-2010, 06:00 PM
at first i though it looks like a Blenheim 4? Then i thought a bf110 - and thats wha i am sticking with. a BF110 -the roundall being a bit of a cheeky side stepper!

HAHA, good shout! Thought it might be a while before someone got that one (it is indeed a 110C captured by the RAF), i dont have any pics so didnt answer because i didnt have anything to post. Well played in getting it so quick!! The aerial and the rudder are the give away i think :D

FOZ_1983
07-01-2010, 06:04 PM
Erm.. i think it is.....


http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/zz16/FOZ1983/220px-Me_110C-4_RAF_NAN15Jun43.jpg

olife
07-01-2010, 06:20 PM
at first i though it looks like a Blenheim 4? Then i thought a bf110 - and thats wha i am sticking with. a BF110 -the roundall being a bit of a cheeky side stepper!

wawooo!!!nice balderz!!!!
this one was hard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bobbysocks
07-01-2010, 06:20 PM
dang you guys are too fast!! lol. whos up?

Balderz002
07-01-2010, 06:39 PM
I guess its me!

I hope you guys struggle a bit with this one, as I tried to make it hardish

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b208/neilbaldry/Untitled.jpg

FOZ_1983
07-01-2010, 06:57 PM
I-16?

Balderz002
07-01-2010, 07:00 PM
I-16? Fraid not...........

FOZ_1983
07-01-2010, 07:05 PM
Fraid not...........

Didnt think so, would of been hugely suprised if it was. I was just clutching at straws haha.

HE-III

Balderz002
07-01-2010, 07:19 PM
HE-III

still clutching!

bobbysocks
07-01-2010, 07:20 PM
can you make it so we can zoom in?

FOZ_1983
07-01-2010, 07:24 PM
can you make it so we can zoom in?

I've tried, but no luck :( really struggling with the extremely small picture haha

bobbysocks
07-01-2010, 07:25 PM
i am guessing a spitfire....have no idea what model tho

Balderz002
07-01-2010, 07:36 PM
Sorry about the size, when I cut and saved it, that was the size of the image.

Here is another one of the same part of the plane, but a bit wider shot....... You might get it now!

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b208/neilbaldry/1.jpg

olife
07-01-2010, 07:39 PM
Sorry about the size, when I cut and saved it, that was the size of the image.

Here is another one of the same part of the plane, but a bit wider shot....... You might get it now!

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b208/neilbaldry/1.jpg

fw190

Balderz002
07-01-2010, 07:42 PM
fw190

He shoots, he scores!

Bravo olife!

I hoped the 'P' and roundall would confuse, as would it being in black and white.....

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b208/neilbaldry/Untitled-3.jpg

bobbysocks
07-01-2010, 07:45 PM
olife, my man, i think you may have it. the back of the canopy sure looks like a fw190

ooops a little late....was looking stuff up at the same time. good catch olife. your up.

olife
07-01-2010, 08:01 PM
He shoots, he scores!

Bravo olife!

I hoped the 'P' and roundall would confuse, as would it being in black and white.....

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b208/neilbaldry/Untitled-3.jpg

thanks a lot bud,i was lucky

and agree with u bobby the back of the canopy help me a lot,good catch for u too,thanks

now what is this plane?,i must say a plane of ace...

Balderz002
07-01-2010, 08:01 PM
Thats right cheeky olife! having some tarp over the canopy!

Is it a P-47? Or a P-51? I would say a P-51 as the RAF didnt use the P-47 in Europe really.

FOZ_1983
07-01-2010, 08:04 PM
Typhoon/Tempest

Balderz002
07-01-2010, 08:09 PM
olife! you cant use that plane! It has to be a plane in the game!

Thats Clostermann abroad his Tempest!

olife
07-01-2010, 08:15 PM
olife! you cant use that plane! It has to be a plane in the game!

Thats Clostermann abroad his Tempest!

oooops...exuse me bud,i m a stupid frenchy!big error from me!!!
i will not do this stupid error in the future...sorry

...and yes u win balderz002,it is the tempest of clostermman,good job!!!

Balderz002
07-01-2010, 08:21 PM
Have another bash!

olife
07-01-2010, 08:24 PM
Typhoon/Tempest

sorry and exuse me cause don't see your reply before i do my reply to balderz002
but typhoon and tempest are 2 different planes,and the exactly name of the plane of my pic is tempest...sorry but i credit balderz
it was a good catch foz,even if balderz was more precise...u are unlucky

olife
07-01-2010, 08:48 PM
Have another bash!

exuse me for my ignorance in english language but can u explain me :"have another bash"
guys i m really sorry to disturb u with my ignorance but i like to understand because this thread is really great and if i don't understand i m not able to participate...thanks to pardon me

FOZ_1983
07-01-2010, 08:54 PM
exuse me for my ignorance in english language but can u explain me :"have another bash"
guys i m really sorry to disturb u with my ignorance but i like to understand because this thread is really great and if i don't understand i m not able to participate...thanks to pardon me

Have another bash = have another go

olife
07-01-2010, 08:57 PM
Have another bash = have another go

i have an other try with a plane of the game?

FOZ_1983
07-01-2010, 08:59 PM
i have an other try with a plane of the game?

yes :D

olife
07-01-2010, 09:14 PM
yes :D

oh, ok this stupid frenchy understand now!!!lol
exuse me for delay!!

let's go ,what is this plane?

FOZ_1983
07-01-2010, 09:16 PM
Fw190d?

olife
07-01-2010, 09:20 PM
Fw190d?

fw:yes but not the d9

winny
07-01-2010, 09:35 PM
Is it the F8 ?

(as there are only 3 FW's in game this is a pure 50/50 guess!)

olife
07-01-2010, 09:39 PM
Is it the F8 ?

(as there are only 3 FW's in game this is a pure 50/50 guess!)

not the f8 bud
but maybe there are 4 fw's in the game.....

winny
07-01-2010, 09:43 PM
It's not fair for me to guess again!!

(Ta-152-H1)

olife
07-01-2010, 09:52 PM
It's not fair for me to guess again!!

(Ta-152-H1)

bingo winny!!! good job!!1 credit for u!!!

bobbysocks
07-02-2010, 01:13 AM
after we run through all the BoP ac we may have to expand to other ww2. but lets wait until we reach that point. ok winny you are up.

winny
07-02-2010, 07:51 AM
Ok...

Gilly
07-02-2010, 08:26 AM
Stab in the dark as I'm sat in a traffic jam and can't really see it!
Blenheim??

winny
07-02-2010, 08:44 AM
Stab in the dark as I'm sat in a traffic jam and can't really see it!
Blenheim??

Nope.. sorry (I'm now wondering if this is too hard!)
The wonders of the british road system..

Balderz002
07-02-2010, 09:02 AM
Ok...

Thats a radial engine, and they are in Soviet uniforms! I can see that its either an La-5FN or an La-7. And as the La-5FN is my fave, thats what I am going for!

Gilly
07-02-2010, 09:09 AM
Nope.. sorry (I'm now wondering if this is too hard!)
The wonders of the british road system..

System!! What system! Well I'm at least 100yds further down the road but at least back in reception!

winny
07-02-2010, 09:36 AM
Thats a radial engine, and they are in Soviet uniforms! I can see that its either an La-5FN or an La-7. And as the La-5FN is my fave, thats what I am going for!

You are right. And I like the way you got there!

Balderz002
07-02-2010, 09:40 AM
You are right. And I like the way you got there!

Wahoo! Right again! - I could also tell by the undercarriage bay and the big metal plate on the fuselage behuind the engine.

Sorry guys but you will have to wait til I get back from work tonight for the next installment!

Balderz002
07-02-2010, 06:02 PM
Here we go folks!

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b208/neilbaldry/Untitled-4.jpg

olife
07-02-2010, 06:10 PM
Here we go folks!

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b208/neilbaldry/Untitled-4.jpg

j2m raiden

bobbysocks
07-02-2010, 06:20 PM
yak 3??? like this one.

winny
07-02-2010, 07:03 PM
I-16?

P-51
07-02-2010, 07:19 PM
Here we go folks!

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b208/neilbaldry/Untitled-4.jpg

its not another FW190 is it?

Balderz002
07-02-2010, 08:07 PM
Keep guessing folks!

Big hint: look at the way the wheel is attached to the undercarriage leg on the right side.

P-51
07-02-2010, 08:15 PM
Il-10?

olife
07-02-2010, 08:24 PM
p47

olife
07-02-2010, 08:28 PM
or yak1

Balderz002
07-02-2010, 08:36 PM
Nope to all of the above!

bobbysocks
07-02-2010, 08:38 PM
blenheim???

Balderz002
07-02-2010, 08:47 PM
blenheim???

Naaaaaaaah mate!

P-51
07-02-2010, 08:52 PM
blenheim???

Nope that goes backwards i think.

This pic leads me to believe that it is a P-51, possably a D. The flaps look wrong though?

Balderz002
07-02-2010, 08:53 PM
Nope that goes backwards i think.

This pic leads me to believe that it is a P-51, possably a D. The flaps look wrong though?

Fail!

olife
07-02-2010, 08:54 PM
machi mc202

Balderz002
07-02-2010, 08:57 PM
machi mc202

W00t! Got there in the end!!

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b208/neilbaldry/Mc202USA_2.jpg

olife
07-02-2010, 09:15 PM
W00t! Got there in the end!!

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b208/neilbaldry/Mc202USA_2.jpg

yeeeeees!!!but lucky!!!this one was very hard!!
ok guys i look for one now and post it !

olife
07-02-2010, 09:31 PM
ok now this one

bobbysocks
07-03-2010, 01:14 AM
guessing A 20 G....

FOZ_1983
07-03-2010, 07:58 AM
Il-4

olife
07-03-2010, 09:54 AM
Il-4

bingo for foz!!!!!!!!!!!1 credit for foz!!!!u win!!

FOZ_1983
07-03-2010, 05:55 PM
Sweet!! Im no good at posting pics, so i'll let someone else do it :D first come first served haha.

Gilly
07-04-2010, 12:23 AM
Ok what about this???
http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad256/paulcgill/305ff64d.jpg
and yes I do have the correct picture!!

Robotic Pope
07-04-2010, 01:18 AM
Its the car you have to blow up at Vandemberg gate! :P

Soviet Ace
07-04-2010, 01:36 AM
Ok what about this???
http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad256/paulcgill/305ff64d.jpg
and yes I do have the correct picture!!

That my friend is a Jaguar XJ6. Am I right, or am I right? (I bet I'm right. ;))

Robotic Pope
07-04-2010, 01:45 AM
That my friend is a Jaguar XJ6. Am I right, or am I right? (I bet I'm right. ;))

:rolleyes: lol well for a start its a coupe, so yeah not an XJ6.


Edit: oh oh lol Its a Bristol Blenhiem isn't it. Very clever. :D

Soviet Ace
07-04-2010, 01:47 AM
:rolleyes: lol well for a start its a coupe, so yeah not an XJ6.

Damn, I thought it had 4 doors. :confused: Guess that's what I get for staring at a computer screen all day at work.

Robotic Pope
07-04-2010, 01:52 AM
http://i49.tinypic.com/2eedld3.jpg

Robotic Pope
07-04-2010, 01:56 AM
Damn, I thought it had 4 doors. :confused: Guess that's what I get for staring at a computer screen all day at work.

If it was in BoP, I bet a Jaguar XJ6 would be better at flying than the sodding Mustang :-P

Gilly
07-04-2010, 06:15 AM
:rolleyes: lol well for a start its a coupe, so yeah not an XJ6.


Edit: oh oh lol Its a Bristol Blenhiem isn't it. Very clever. :D

Well done Pope! It is!

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad256/paulcgill/cecf4d7e.jpg

P-51
07-04-2010, 09:24 AM
http://i49.tinypic.com/2eedld3.jpg

A-20 havoc

bobbysocks
07-17-2010, 07:48 AM
pope...you are up.

bobbysocks
07-20-2010, 05:57 PM
heck i will go then....

P-51
07-20-2010, 06:01 PM
P-47?

bobbysocks
07-20-2010, 06:09 PM
yep! that was pretty fast. ok P51...your turn to post.

flynlion
07-20-2010, 06:29 PM
yep! that was pretty fast. ok P51...your turn to post.

Looks more like a T-6 than a P-47

dkwookie
07-20-2010, 06:45 PM
This is a great game. I just wish I had the nouse to play!
I reckon after we have exhausted the planes we move onto locations:

2865

bobbysocks
07-20-2010, 06:49 PM
OOOPS, egg on my face!! flynlion you are correct! it is an AT 6.....came up when i was seaching 47s so didnt even think to give it a second glance. although its not a BoP plane you got it...so it is your post.

sorry P51...

and yeah DK when we exahust the BoP planes...we will have to expand.

P-51
07-20-2010, 07:02 PM
OOOPS, egg on my face!! flynlion you are correct! it is an AT 6.....came up when i was seaching 47s so didnt even think to give it a second glance. although its not a BoP plane you got it...so it is your post.

sorry P51...

and yeah DK when we exahust the BoP planes...we will have to expand.

No problem mate! I was only going on the Checkered bit around the outside! haha.

Gilly
07-27-2010, 12:35 PM
Just to keep the thread alive until flyinlion posts I thought I'd post this

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad256/paulcgill/ee9783c2.jpg

Soviet Ace
07-27-2010, 12:41 PM
I-16!!!!!! :cool:

Gilly
07-27-2010, 12:42 PM
I-16!!!!!! :cool:

And I thought they didn't have guns in the wings Soviet!!!! Yep it is!

Soviet Ace
07-27-2010, 12:49 PM
And I thought they didn't have guns in the wings Soviet!!!! Yep it is!

They did (later models) but like the FW, were inboard, rather than so far out to give them better roll. But I don't think the guns aren't properly positioned in that picture, as they would be in a real wartime I-16... mainly because if you look at pictures and stuff from WW2 you see that the wing cannons are much closer to the fuselage than that. (I'm not sure why they'd move them though?)

EDIT: Just learned why they had them out so far. Because it put less vibrations on the pilot. :P

Gilly
07-27-2010, 12:53 PM
They did (later models) but like the FW, were inboard, rather than so far out to give them better roll. But I don't think the guns aren't properly positioned in that picture, as they would be in a real wartime I-16... mainly because if you look at pictures and stuff from WW2 you see that the wing cannons are much closer to the fuselage than that. (I'm
not sure why they'd move them though?)

I was just looking through the duxford pics the other night and noticed them sticking out. In guessing they've been either moved of position there for aesthetic reasons although they look as if they'd only just clear either side of the prop

Here's the full pic
http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad256/paulcgill/62f41119.jpg

flynlion
07-27-2010, 03:15 PM
Just to keep the thread alive until flyinlion posts I thought I'd post this


Thanks Gilly. I'm kinda illiterate when it comes to photo editing software so by all means please have at it :grin:

Gilly
07-27-2010, 03:19 PM
Thanks Gilly. I'm kinda illiterate when it comes to photo editing software so by all means please have at it :grin:

Sadly i was defeated within 5 minutes by our resident i16 expert!!

flynlion
07-27-2010, 03:19 PM
I was just looking through the duxford pics the other night and noticed them sticking out. In guessing they've been either moved of position there for aesthetic reasons although they look as if they'd only just clear either side of the prop

I think prop clearance would be the main reason for putting guns farther out in the wings. There also might be other things like fuel tanks, landing gear, wing structure or ammo bays to consider. No such thing as free lunch.

Soviet Ace
07-27-2010, 03:28 PM
Sadly i was defeated within 5 minutes by our resident i16 expert!!

;)

I think prop clearance would be the main reason for putting guns farther out in the wings. There also might be other things like fuel tanks, landing gear, wing structure or ammo bays to consider. No such thing as free lunch.

That's possible, but on the original I-16s, the cannons or machine-guns on the wings were really tight against the fuselage (kinda placed where the FWs were) and they were much farther in barrel wise (not so elongated like they are in the picture). So being hit or hitting the prop wouldn't be an issue if they'd kept them farther in like they had during WW2.

Also, I-16s shouldn't and never had fuel takes in the wings because that'd add weight in their rolling which would be bad since that and turning sharp is all they pretty much had going for them later on. Usually their spare fuel tank was behind the pilot, or not at all and they just had the main tank.

bobbysocks
07-27-2010, 03:56 PM
soviet, what kind of MGs were these? make/model?? they have the gas tube extended beyond the leading edge...very interesting. almost looks like a modified dshk...

Soviet Ace
07-27-2010, 04:16 PM
soviet, what kind of MGs were these? make/model?? they have the gas tube extended beyond the leading edge...very interesting. almost looks like a modified dshk...

Depending on the type, but just sticking with the Type 24 since everyone's familiar with that Type and it's what most airshow models simulate, they'd have twin 7.62mm ShKAS in the nose and twin 20mm ShVAK cannons in the wings. Though models starting from the Type 1 (Prototype) up to the Type 10 would have had just ShKAS 7.62mm MGs. Though it was the Type 6 & Type 10 that had four MGs all around (two being where the 20mm cannons would later be placed on the later models. Type 1's up to Type 5s just had twin MGs in the nose.

But sticking with the Type 24, the cannons weren't all that long (just look at the size of a I-16s prop that's still,) I think they just made them farther out for dramatic effect or something?

flynlion
07-27-2010, 05:31 PM
;)
That's possible, but on the original I-16s, the cannons or machine-guns on the wings were really tight against the fuselage (kinda placed where the FWs were) and they were much farther in barrel wise (not so elongated like they are in the picture). So being hit or hitting the prop wouldn't be an issue if they'd kept them farther in like they had during WW2.

Also, I-16s shouldn't and never had fuel takes in the wings because that'd add weight in their rolling which would be bad since that and turning sharp is all they pretty much had going for them later on. Usually their spare fuel tank was behind the pilot, or not at all and they just had the main tank.

My comment on prop clearance had more to do with line of fire shooting through the propellor disc than gun barrel length. Given the Soviet military's belief in the philosophy of KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) I would imagine that they would avoid using complex gun syncronization if they could. Most US fighters carried their guns in the wings, but roll rate was considered less important in US designs. US fighters also carried fuel in vertually every nook and cranny that was available, and a significant part of the pilot workload was involved in managing the weight and balance of this fuel.

Soviet Ace
07-27-2010, 05:50 PM
My comment on prop clearance had more to do with line of fire shooting through the propellor disc than gun barrel length. Given the Soviet military's belief in the philosophy of KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) I would imagine that they would avoid using complex gun syncronization if they could. Most US fighters carried their guns in the wings, but roll rate was considered less important in US designs. US fighters also carried fuel in vertually every nook and cranny that was available, and a significant part of the pilot workload was involved in managing the weight and balance of this fuel.

Lol KISS (I like it.) But more on gun synchronization. I'm not sure it was all that big of a deal to the Russians since all it did was slow down the rate of fire for the cannons or MGs in the cowling. (The reason why 109s have their cannons in the nose, is so they don't fire so slow as they would on say a La-5 because cannons already fire slower than MGs (Obviously.))

I mean, Russians kept their guns synched because it took unneeded weight off the wings and they could roll or turn better; plus their guns were more likely to hit the target ahead of them at any distance (Like I always say when flying Russian planes; Just point and shoot). The reason US and British forces had guns in their wings, was because to them it was easier to shoot an enemy down and they could fire off faster (plus they did carry more rounds than Russian planes). But the problem with having outboard guns, is that you can only hit the target at a certain range since the guns fire in an elongated X shape, and firing too close to the enemy, the guns won't hit and firing too far out, the guns won't hit and the rounds will just got to either side of the enemy.

Plus, why most British and US planes had large fuel loads, was because unlike a country such as Russia, they had to cross water and were focused on long distance dogfights and escorts. Russia's idea was that they'd only need fighters to go as far as the infantry was at the point of time. The Russian's main idea for fighters, really was ground defense from enemy fighters. (That's why you see planes like Yaks, Las, Polikarpov's, etc all low altitude.) Plus more fuel= heavier planes, and less likely to be able to dogfight properly in their chosen realm of fighting (which was more or less horizontal dogfighting as I've said countless other times.)

bobbysocks
08-06-2010, 08:04 AM
should be kind of easy....

Gilly
08-06-2010, 08:13 AM
should be kind of easy....

He162 at a guess from the distinctive tail

bobbysocks
08-06-2010, 06:36 PM
yep....it is. you are up gilly.

Gilly
08-07-2010, 02:30 AM
What about this one then
http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad256/paulcgill/67901664.jpg

haitch40
08-07-2010, 09:39 AM
Yak 3

Gilly
08-07-2010, 10:11 AM
Yak 3

Sadly not Haitch

bobbysocks
08-07-2010, 05:21 PM
spitfire??

Gilly
08-07-2010, 05:28 PM
spitfire??

I'm afraid not mate

bobbysocks
08-07-2010, 06:20 PM
i am pretty sure i now know what it is...but since i already guessed i will give it some time for others to take a shot..

Soviet Ace
08-07-2010, 06:45 PM
Maybe a T-6?

Gilly
08-08-2010, 12:08 PM
Maybe a T-6?

Again sadly not Soviet

bobbysocks
08-08-2010, 03:32 PM
i am going with a La-5.

Soviet Ace
08-09-2010, 05:30 AM
i am going with a La-5.

The wings don't look right to me, for it to be a La-5. And, I don't even think they have any La-5s in existence that are in flying condition.

Is it at least American or British, Gilly?

Gilly
08-09-2010, 09:25 AM
The wings don't look right to me, for it to be a La-5. And, I don't even think they have any La-5s in existence that are in flying condition.

Is it at least American or British, Gilly?

I didn't think clues would be needed!!!

It's American!

Blackdog_kt
08-09-2010, 10:00 AM
Nice game you have going there. I usually post in the IL-2 forum, so it would be bad manners on my part to win this one, post the next one and then forget to check the replies :grin:

So, instead of saying what this is i'll just give some hints. I may be wrong, who knows, but guessing from the shape of the horizontal tail and the size, this should be bigger than a fighter (two engines). I think it's not a fighter, but it's not a bomber either.
Also, take notice of the shape of the main wing trailing edge. The wing middle section is straight, but has a slight sweepback at the outer sections. Another notable feature is the single flap under the wing center section. Finally, is that the outline of a door in the left part of the rear fuselage? ;)

FOZ_1983
08-09-2010, 10:37 AM
Looks like a Dakota (DC-3) to me.

Gilly
08-09-2010, 11:24 AM
Looks like a Dakota (DC-3) to me.

Nice one Foz it is, or C-47 as it's known in the game

Davedog74
08-09-2010, 01:29 PM
i know ,its a c-47!