Fantasy 'dream on' thread

[Balderz002]

If you could include one more aircraft into this game (from existing Nations - British, American, Soviet, German, Italian), what would it be?

As I write this, I cannot think of just one..... Really struggling!

[FOZ_1983]

Ok so we cant include a better version of the Hurricane or a different version off the Shitfire, because they are already in the game, so it has to be a whole new aircraft.....

hmmm.....

De Havilland Mosquito or the Avro Lancaster.

For free flight and formation flying etc i would like the Avro Lancaster, for missions then the Mossie :D

[Balderz002]

Sorry Foz, I should have made it clearer, but yeah, a different mark of the same plane would be ok too.

I too thought of the Mossie, and then the Pe-2. But I also have a soft spot for the Westland Whirlwind.......... Add to the mix a couple of 250 or 500kg bombs, and its a mean early war tank buster!

[FOZ_1983]

Sorry Foz, I should have made it clearer, but yeah, a different mark of the same plane would be ok too.

I too thought of the Mossie, and then the Pe-2. But I also have a soft spot for the Westland Whirlwind.......... Add to the mix a couple of 250 or 500kg bombs, and its a mean early war tank buster!

Ah ok, then im given a dilema :( because i love the Hurricane, and would love another Mk in their, armed with 4 hispano cannons :D but then again, i would love to have the 2 or 4 merlins of the Mossie or Lanc!!

[Balderz002]

Ah ok, then im given a dilema :( because i love the Hurricane, and would love another Mk in their, armed with 4 hispano cannons :D but then again, i would love to have the 2 or 4 merlins of the Mossie or Lanc!!

Or how about a Beau?

[bobbysocks]

hmmm...a P40 and P38. more bombers like a lanc or a halifax...B24 or B26. oh...just ONE...P38

[Balderz002]

more bombers like a lanc or a halifax...B24.

Hows about a Grief? Or a Sparviero? Do-17?

[winny]

Corsair.

[bobbysocks]

Hows about a Grief? Or a Sparviero? Do-17?

the more bombers the merrier. just gives more scenarios for games....

[FOZ_1983]

Or how about a Beau?

Not a very big fan to be honest. A nice plane, but just not my choice :)

[Balderz002]

So come on folks, ONE plane. I dont think Winny, the Corsair got much flying time in the European Theatre.

The reason I labelled this as a 'fantasy' thread is because I cannot foresee any more dlc for this (well not on XBL anyways).

My choice is a Westland Whirlwind

[FOZ_1983]

So come on folks, ONE plane. I dont think Winny, the Corsair got much flying time in the European Theatre.

The reason I labelled this as a 'fantasy' thread is because I cannot foresee any more dlc for this (well not on XBL anyways).

My choice is a Westland Whirlwind

The corsair was used in europe, more than alot of people think ;) they were used a fighter cover by the FAA (I think) when they attacked the tirpiz.

[winny]

So come on folks, ONE plane. I dont think Winny, the Corsair got much flying time in the European Theatre.

The reason I labelled this as a 'fantasy' thread is because I cannot foresee any more dlc for this (well not on XBL anyways).

My choice is a Westland Whirlwind

http://www.historyofwar.org/Pictures/corsair_fleet_air_arm.jpg

Can I have it now? Smartarse.:rolleyes::-P The Royal Navy approved the corsair for Carrier use before the USA

[FOZ_1983]

http://www.historyofwar.org/Pictures/corsair_fleet_air_arm.jpg

Can I have it now? Smartarse.:rolleyes::-P The Royal Navy approved the corsair for Carrier use before the USA

They also struggled with carrier landings, much like the US!! but perfected it by coming into land from the left and always keping the carrier in sight... or something along those lines. I know what i mean, i jus tcant put it into words haha. They also clipped the wings didnt they, because their wasnt enough room in the smaller RN carriers? or was that just BS i heard?

A nice plane!

[Balderz002]

Smartarse

- I am obviously not! lol

A short video (with bits of sound) for my entry:

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=52222

[PantherAttack2]

One plane...

I'd have to go with the B-24.

[Robotic Pope]

I'd probably choose not one of my favourite aircraft but instead somthing that is more different to the other planes. I wouldn't choose a bomber either as they are really of little use online. I think i'd go for a P-39 with cockpit and selectable airforce, please :) .
That gives you another plane useable in a 1941 limited game, a nose wheeled prop fighter that could actualy be usefull in a CTA game (really easy taxiing into a hiding position and the ability to kill other landed planes while taxiing lol)

[olife]

If you could include one more aircraft into this game (from existing Nations - British, American, Soviet, German, Italian), what would it be?

As I write this, I cannot think of just one..... Really struggling!

f6f hellcat (it was used in europe by the fleet air arm and by the us navy during the invasion of south of france in august 1944)

[olife]

So come on folks, ONE plane. I dont think Winny, the Corsair got much flying time in the European Theatre.

The reason I labelled this as a 'fantasy' thread is because I cannot foresee any more dlc for this (well not on XBL anyways).

My choice is a Westland Whirlwind

hello balderz002

in fact the corsair was used in europeean theater but not a lot
it was used by fleet air arm
the april 3rd 1944 at 5:30 am 20 hellcats and a corsairs take off of a british carrier to attack the aa guns of the german battleship tirpitz and the aa guns of the fjord(where was the battleship)

[olife]

to finish the only one dogfight between 4 f6f hellcat of fleet air arm 800 squadron and a fw190 and bf109g was took place off norvegian coast in may1944.
1 fw190 and 2 bf109g was shoot down by the hellcats,2 hellcats was shoot down by germans pilots
during the invasion of south of france in august 1944 the us navy pilots of vf74 (f6f hellcat) shoot down 2 germans bombers

[Mage_016]

"mörkö-morane" that's morane-saulnier M.S 406 and 410 with Finnish made changes.

Or brewster f2a "buffalo".

Maybe I would choose that "bogey-morane".

[scottyvt4]

bolton paul defiant ................

[BRIGGBOY]

avro lanc

[Balderz002]

avro lanc

B.i?
B.i 'spesh'?
b.iii?

[gbtstr]

Yeah, gotta go with Corsair or Hellcat. Though I love Grumman Ironworks products, I'd lean a little more towards Corsair in this case. Once upon a time, back in the DOS days I had quite the career as a Navy Corsair pilot in Aces of the Pacific, so I guess I'm a little partial to that particular crate.

If neither of those is "European Theater" enough, then P-40 is my next choice.

All very hypothetical, of course.

[BRIGGBOY]

B.i?
B.i 'spesh'?
b.iii?

whats that turkey language, speak english boy

[dkwookie]

Lancaster with bouncing bomb and grand slam ordinance

[BRIGGBOY]

Lancaster with bouncing bomb and grand slam ordinance

hell yeah

[dkwookie]

hell yeah

And some dams to bust!!

[Balderz002]

whats that turkey language, speak english boy

B.I Special was the one, like was said, that carried the bouncing bomb, and also the worlds largest dumb, conventional (as in non nuclear) bomb. i think 22000lbs or something.

It was used very late in the war, and alot of the Lancs that carried it sported day camo undersides - gotta love total air supremacy (Goering would be very jelous!)

The B.I and B.III are quite similar, except the B.III had H2S radar dome underneath (as an obvious visible difference).

[Soviet Ace]

Hmm...They could have added a MiG-3 for the hell of it, and could have also (rather than Korsun) put Leningrad in place for a map. Maybe a Fokker DXXI because I think they look cool and are interesting planes. They could have added at least some French fighers like the MS402 and D.520... under estimated fighters I tell ya! :D

For all the nations represented in BoP, here's one (or two) planes they could have added.

Italy: Fiat CR.42 or Fiat G.50

Germany: Ju-88 or Do-17

US: F4F Wildcat or P-38 (P-38s played more of a roll in Italy, than a P-51 did.)

UK: P-40 or Gloster Gladiator (It's really surprising for a WW2 Airplane game, to not have added MALTA which was nothing but an aerial combat zone.)

Russia: They could have added the LaGG-3 into BoP instead of the useless Po-2.

[FOZ_1983]

Hmm...They could have added a MiG-3 for the hell of it, and could have also (rather than Korsun) put Leningrad in place for a map. Maybe a Fokker DXXI because I think they look cool and are interesting planes. They could have added at least some French fighers like the MS402 and D.520... under estimated fighters I tell ya! :D

For all the nations represented in BoP, here's one (or two) planes they could have added.

Italy: Fiat CR.42 or Fiat G.50
Yeah i think this is a good choice

Germany: Ju-88 or Do-17
Again, a good choice, this is what i would choose

US: F4F Wildcat or P-38 (P-38s played more of a roll in Italy, than a P-51 did.)
I'd take the Corsair for this prob, use it as an escort fighter agianst an attack on the Tirpitz. The P38 is a good choice to. Would like Mitchell bomber though.

UK: P-40 or Gloster Gladiator (It's really surprising for a WW2 Airplane game, to not have added MALTA which was nothing but an aerial combat zone.)
A Hurricane with a Merlin sounding in game engine like the P51 and Spitfires have!! Or a Mossie or Lanc.

Russia: They could have added the LaGG-3 into BoP instead of the useless Po-2.
Not to fussed for these ;) haha.

Answers on a postcard :D

[bobbysocks]

hmmm maybe a P 61 black widow (and the airforces equivelant) and a whole scenario built around night fighters....

[Balderz002]

Italy: Fiat CR.42 or Fiat G.50
- Would rather see a G.55 or Re.2005

Germany: Ju-88 or Do-17
- Both please!

US: F4F Wildcat or P-38 (P-38s played more of a roll in Italy, than a P-51 did.)
- P-38, as its the only US 8th AF escort fighter not in the game

UK: P-40 or Gloster Gladiator (It's really surprising for a WW2 Airplane game, to not have added MALTA which was nothing but an aerial combat zone.)
- P40 with shark nose would look cool. But I would like to see either a PR.XIX Spit, or equivalent Mossie for a Photo Recon mission. Could use the bomb aiming reticule for target aquisition, with no guns, would be a great mission.......

Russia: They could have added the LaGG-3 into BoP instead of the useless Po-2.
- Pe-2 would be mint!

[Soviet Ace]

Italy: Fiat CR.42 or Fiat G.50
- Would rather see a G.55 or Re.2005

Germany: Ju-88 or Do-17
- Both please!

US: F4F Wildcat or P-38 (P-38s played more of a roll in Italy, than a P-51 did.)
- P-38, as its the only US 8th AF escort fighter not in the game

UK: P-40 or Gloster Gladiator (It's really surprising for a WW2 Airplane game, to not have added MALTA which was nothing but an aerial combat zone.)
- P40 with shark nose would look cool. But I would like to see either a PR.XIX Spit, or equivalent Mossie for a Photo Recon mission. Could use the bomb aiming reticule for target aquisition, with no guns, would be a great mission.......

Russia: They could have added the LaGG-3 into BoP instead of the useless Po-2.
- Pe-2 would be mint!

Yeah, a Fiat G.55 would be okay, but they weren't around during Malta. Fiat G.50s and CR.42s were though. And that's why they should have added Malta, because it was more of a air battle than Sicily or the Italian mainland ever was.

[Balderz002]

Yeah, a Fiat G.55 would be okay, but they weren't around during Malta. Fiat G.50s and CR.42s were though. And that's why they should have added Malta, because it was more of a air battle than Sicily or the Italian mainland ever was.

If we are going into historical accuracy, then they shouldve used a Mk.I Spitfire, not a cannon armed Mk.II for some of the BoB missions. They did have a few cannon armed Mk.II's, but out of the 900 odd Mk.II's produced, only around 170 were cannon armed. And the camo is wrong for them, it shouldve been brown/green top sides, not green/gray. I know why they used one though, just to keep it up with the 109E in the armament stakes.

[FOZ_1983]

If we are going into historical accuracy, then they shouldve used a Mk.I Spitfire, not a cannon armed Mk.II for some of the BoB missions. They did have a few cannon armed Mk.II's, but out of the 900 odd Mk.II's produced, only around 170 were cannon armed. And the camo is wrong for them, it shouldve been brown/green top sides, not green/gray. I know why they used one though, just to keep it up with the 109E in the armament stakes.

It wasnt for armament sake that they used the MkII, a prime example of this is the Hawker Hurricane, its armed with the .303's and if you've used it then you'll know how much damage it can do. So the MkI Spitfire would be similar (minus 2 guns).

This issue was addressed soon after the demo for IL2 was released, I do believe Anton stated that the reason they didnt use the MkI was because of resources etc. They could afford it.

Seemed an odd reason at the time. Still does. The topic for it is here on the forum somewhere.

[Soviet Ace]

If we are going into historical accuracy, then they shouldve used a Mk.I Spitfire, not a cannon armed Mk.II for some of the BoB missions. They did have a few cannon armed Mk.II's, but out of the 900 odd Mk.II's produced, only around 170 were cannon armed. And the camo is wrong for them, it shouldve been brown/green top sides, not green/gray. I know why they used one though, just to keep it up with the 109E in the armament stakes.

Yeah, like Foz said, it's been said and noted before. (Not sure you want to dig through all the stuff, but there's been plenty of things said about that and other planes.)

I just figured, that in a flight game like Il-2, you'd think to focus on the major air combat campaigns like Malta. (Plus, I love flying CR.42s and Fiats in '46. They're so fast and maneuverable. :cool:)

[Balderz002]

I just figured, that in a flight game like Il-2, you'd think to focus on the major air combat campaigns like Malta.

Which is why I was surprised there are no Do-17's or Ju-88's. - But then I was expecting alot of DLC for this game....... But lets not reopen that wound!

[FOZ_1983]

Which is why I was surprised there are no Do-17's or Ju-88's. - But then I was expecting alot of DLC for this game....... But lets not reopen that wound!

Reopen? Its not healed yet :(

Gutted.

[Balderz002]

Reopen? Its not healed yet :(

Gutted.
Its funny, even Blazing Angels had a Beau!

[bobbysocks]

this one! :grin:

[scottyvt4]

just some randoms :)

bristol beaufighter

bolton paul defiant - as a night escort for lancasters, blenheimes (sp?) or wellingtons

Hawker Typhoon/tempest

wellington - as it features in the opening credits and not in the game

Ju 88's and Fw 200 c3/u1 condor

la - 11

do 215/217

[BRIGGBOY]

good call on the wellington scotty but what about the halifax aswell. and good call on the tempest that was an equally good fighter as the spitfire during the war

[scottyvt4]

Cheers Brigg was going to say halifax/manchester/sterling suppose you could include them :) ............ aswell as the DeHav sea hornet ;) as an online plane for using against the ships in strike

[BRIGGBOY]

thanks, as much as i love fighters i do have a soft spot bombers as i live in bomber county and all apart from the manchester were based at elsham airfield during the war which is 2 miles from my house. and a bonus is my nextdoor neighbour is a member of the lancaster association so i get everything they send him passed on to me. yes i agree it would be cool to have the proper planes to atack ships.

[Soviet Ace]

just some randoms :)

bristol beaufighter

bolton paul defiant - as a night escort for lancasters, blenheimes (sp?) or wellingtons

Hawker Typhoon/tempest

wellington - as it features in the opening credits and not in the game

Ju 88's and Fw 200 c3/u1 condor

la - 11

do 215/217

You're talking about the Lavochkin La-11 Fighter, right?

[scottyvt4]

Brigg thats pretty neat both where you stay and you're neighbour :cool: it was mainly fighters round this area i think but Greenock had a Sqdn of short sunderlands flying out of it!!



You're talking about the Lavochkin La-11 Fighter, right?


yes thats the one :) just came accross it when i was making my list

Lavochkin La-11 (Fang)

La-134 - Prototype Designation; based on the Lavochkin La-9.

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La-134D - Second Prototype Designation; increased fuel and range via improved fuel tank space and underwing fuel tanks.

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La-11 - Base Production Fighter Designation

also you could add

Tupolev SB-2 and the Sukhoi Su-2 bombers :)

[dkwookie]

I would like the Swordfish torpedo bomber in there to add a bit of attacking variety when going on Strike against ships. Not much use if you are attacking ground targets though, although I am sure a torpedo dropped on a bunker would make quite a hole!

[Soviet Ace]

Brigg thats pretty neat both where you stay and you're neighbour :cool: it was mainly fighters round this area i think but Greenock had a Sqdn of short sunderlands flying out of it!!






yes thats the one :) just came accross it when i was making my list

Lavochkin La-11 (Fang)

La-134 - Prototype Designation; based on the Lavochkin La-9.

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La-134D - Second Prototype Designation; increased fuel and range via improved fuel tank space and underwing fuel tanks.

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La-11 - Base Production Fighter Designation

also you could add

Tupolev SB-2 and the Sukhoi Su-2 bombers :)

Would be nice to have the La-9 or La-11, but both unfortunately weren't built until 1946 and 1947. Besides, they were both inferior in Vertical and Horizontal flight compared to the greatest Soviet prop fighter... the Yak-3!!! :D

[Balderz002]

Well, if it were a torpedo bomber being put into the game, I have 3 suggestions....
1. TorBeau
2. Sparviero
3. Fiat G.55 Silurante

But I would say the best Coastal Command plane would be a rocket/bombed up solid nosed Mossie.

I would love to see a night fighter mission, with a dedicated night fighter put into the game.

[scottyvt4]

Would be nice to have the La-9 or La-11, but both unfortunately weren't built until 1946 and 1947. Besides, they were both inferior in Vertical and Horizontal flight compared to the greatest Soviet prop fighter... the Yak-3!!! :D

aaaaaah right i see ........... i didn't notice a date my bad :(


couple more torpedo bombers

He 115
Bristol beaufort and swordfish
douglas devastator and grumman avenger most probably used in the pacific theater rather than europe feel free to correct if im wrong :)

and the IL4

[Soviet Ace]

I think a big ass Russian Tupolev TB-3 Heavy Long-Range Bomber would have been cool. I love those on '46. Whenever there used to be a bombing mission with friends and random people, I'd always get my squadron of TB-3 with I-16s on the wings. Take off, bomb the hell out of wherever and then dogfight our way back. (The I-16s, the TB-3's would have them as cover.)

It was pretty sweet, and I think we had more success with it than the Russians actually did.

[Balderz002]

Hows about an He-177 Grief? Quite cool

[scottyvt4]

Hows about an He-177 Grief? Quite cool

hmmmmm could be as bad as a 109 G6 for combustability lol

"The resulting design was a technical innovation resulting in a four engine creation of a seemingly twin-engine bomber and reduced air resistance as a byproduct. The initial DB 606 engines, themselves a derivative of the DB 601 types, proved unreliable and prone to fires earning the aircraft several telltale nicknames like "the Torch" and "Lighter".

[Balderz002]

But if that trait were to be carried out into a game (random engine fires), then they should put in the negative g problem of the early merlin engined machines! That would make dog fighting a bit more interesting!

[P-51]

But if that trait were to be carried out into a game (random engine fires), then they should put in the negative g problem of the early Merlin engined machines! That would make dog fighting a bit more interesting!

I never push anyway, rolling and pulling is quicker. That and the problem was fixed on the engines of the Mark2 spits that are in the game.

[Balderz002]

"By 1941 Miss Tilly Shilling in Farnborough had developed a partial cure for the problem. A diaphragm across the float chambers with a calibrated hole (the infamous "Miss Shilling's orifice"!) allowed negative 'g' manouvres, and was fitted as standard from March 1941. Sustained zero 'g' manouvres were not sorted out until somewhat later."

[P-51]

Well more or less fixed!