CheeseTactics

[Shadowcorp]

Nickname (so not to flame) and shame those most with the most cheese ridden style of play.
Cheese styling is open to interpretation: whats ones mans cheese is anothers genius so be careful to state as opinions.

Sorry guys but i wouldn't count rockets against bombers as cheese it's annoying because it's very effective but not cheese.

Using a b17 as flying turret in dogfight realistic or simulator i would count as cheese... opinion not fact. This only applies to certian players and not those who only fly b17s

[haitch40]

well people who try to suicide ram you or trying to crash into you when you have landed on cta i mean a death for 1 plane even a kamakaze would do that

[ButcherBird]

i'm also not a huge fan of people who used turreted bombers or IL-2's in dogfight (flying turret method).

It kind of takes away form the whole dogfight experience that most are going for. but it doesnt really pizz me off or anything, jsut would prefer if they werent being used in dogfight (unless everyone is flying turreted aircraft)

[nuklhed808]

I think all of you have good points (opinions). Flying turrents, Lame-O, kamikaze CTA, Lame-O, kamikaze-ing bombers, Lame-O, and the coup de grace, intentional team kill. That deserves a Super Lame-O... Although I must admit, I get the dickwad medal for intentionally kamikaze-ing someone, once or twice, out of pure fustration...

[ButcherBird]

Although I must admit, I get the dickwad medal for intentionally kamikaze-ing someone, once or twice, out of pure fustration...

your honesty is honorable...I also may have "bumped" into a B-17G or two after not being able knock it out of the air, while receiving non-stop incoming fire.

[Crosshair14]

I hate when in realistic when u got a lot of damage on them and they seem that it would give u a kill but when they hit the ground the game wont give u a kill.

[Shadowcorp]

if you bail for people they will bail for you, at least thats what i've observed and indeed practice: if i know the person shooting me would not bail niether would i. But yes still it's annoying....

[Gilly]

-Using arado's as kamikaze battering rams when losing.
-IL2M/ IL10's in dogfights.
-Bombing your own team in cta's when the enemy decides to land as well, even though a couple of seconds more and you'd have won it ( and on occasions when the opposition haven't/ aren't landing).
-When people switch teams at the last minute thereby completely unbalancing what had previously been fair teams and then refusing to change back.

[Gilly]

OOOOPS, i guess i have to excuse myself being somebody who always bombed those airfields beyond repair including the enemy on the runway !!!

As you know my beloved B-17G has no other attack weapon but bombs, so tell me please what now ???

I was refering to friendly fire!! Don't think your guilty of that!!

[Shadowcorp]

Rockets were used in ww2 to down Bombers, FACT. 40 mm rockets from me262s also rockets from the 109 k series because the b17 was so heavily armored new way were invented to shoot it down.
my real Beef isn't with you branko as i said those who only fly a b17 are the exception.
In my opinion none of the bombers has a place in dogfight because realistically it takes a few fighters to bring a bomber (especially a b17) down and then theres tha fact the bombers aren't actually dogfighting which sort of defeats the point of playing dogfight if you aren't actually dogfighting
I aways do a death from above attack on bombers but for bombers i like to fly a 262

[Gilly]

I aways do a death from above attack on bombers but for bombers i like to fly a 262

the results of which can be seen in the lower part of this picture!!!

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad256/paulcgill/IL-2SturmovikBirdsOfPrey_7-1.png

[Shadowcorp]

some people are really too sensitive about this rockets issue.... bomber pilots you have chosen a aircraft thats large and as such easy to hit accept that.
Your going to get rocketted not by me as i can't use them.
As a bomber pilot you have your own distinct advantage armor, lots of it the way no fighter plane does,also you can shoot in just about any direction and have the opportunity more than any fighter aircraft to shoot at weak propellers engines and canopies.
so i think rockets are a fair leveling of the playing field, you don't have to share my opinion branko just accept that i can have it please

[BRIGGBOY]

hi shadowcorp,

like you said bombers are easy to hit, no rockets needed !!!

Dont worry im not interest at all continuing this conversation about rockets wich may end like "war of word's" peace mate !!!

branko please go to this website www.tarrif.net/wwii/guides/a2g_rockets.htm
and as none of the german planes carry rockets in the game i have no problem with people that use an alied plane with rockets to shoot me down anyway it evens itself out for all the people that take them into dogfight and tb matches and just sit on the rear gunner

[BRIGGBOY]

HI BRIGGBOY,

THANKS FOR THE WEBSITE LINK, LOOK WHAT I HAVE FOUND........ used by special fighters for attacks against the giant American bomber formations.

YOUR ROCKET ATTACK'S ON ME YESTERDAY THEY FAILED AND THEY WERE UNNECESSARY, ANYWAY I ENJOYED PLAYING WITH YOU !!!

the fact of the matter is that they were used and i think that people taking a b17 into a dogfight or tb match is totally unnecessary so like i said before if someone gets shotdown by rockets then i think it is the same as just sitting on the rear gunner in dogfight or tb. but also like many people have said before it is a video game and not real life so it is meant to be fun. anyway thats all i have to say on this subject and bailing out or i will have to see my doctor about some valium.

[ORPHEUS ZERO]

Please excuse my interjection on this one. There are several obstacles here to contend with that I can see.
1) temperment- We all get flustered when someone shoots at us. A psychological occurance that is welcome to your opponent. It is much easier to take down an enemy who is not thinking clearly than one who has maintained his calm. Your opponent WILL use this against you.
2)rockets (adavantage)- all technological advantages in warfare are infact unfair, therfore there is no such thing as a fair fight. Wether in terms of technology, performance charicterisics, or skill; someone will be at a disadvantage. That being said; it is most often the case that in order to gain an advantage one must trade-off for a disadvantage in another area. Ie: altitude/speed, armor/agility, or speed/turn radius etc.

This leads to but one conclusion! Change tactics! I have personally dogdged many 40mm rockets. If fired close they are hard to miss with you say? Well then keep the shooter at a distance. I'd the rocket chucking anti-historian and see to it he has a very hard persuit. If he gets close...evade. Those rockets drop like stones and are much slower than bullets. Or fly a fighter.

Bottom line if you find yourself full of holes...you made at least one mistake too many. The flaw is always in your tactics if you loose. To paraphrase Sun Tsu- battles are not won by the victor...they are lost by the defeated.

Try and keep a cool head man, and I promise you'll find your victory! Good luck, good hunting, & God speed!

[markyboyacebassist]

Please excuse my interjection on this one. There are several obstacles here to contend with that I can see.
1) temperment- We all get flustered when someone shoots at us. A psychological occurance that is welcome to your opponent. It is much easier to take down an enemy who is not thinking clearly than one who has maintained his calm. Your opponent WILL use this against you.
2)rockets (adavantage)- all technological advantages in warfare are infact unfair, therfore there is no such thing as a fair fight. Wether in terms of technology, performance charicterisics, or skill; someone will be at a disadvantage. That being said; it is most often the case that in order to gain an advantage one must trade-off for a disadvantage in another area. Ie: altitude/speed, armor/agility, or speed/turn radius etc.

This leads to but one conclusion! Change tactics! I have personally dogdged many 40mm rockets. If fired close they are hard to miss with you say? Well then keep the shooter at a distance. I'd the rocket chucking anti-historian and see to it he has a very hard persuit. If he gets close...evade. Those rockets drop like stones and are much slower than bullets. Or fly a fighter.

Bottom line if you find yourself full of holes...you made at least one mistake too many. The flaw is always in your tactics if you loose. To paraphrase Sun Tsu- battles are not won by the victor...they are lost by the defeated.

Try and keep a cool head man, and I promise you'll find your victory! Good luck, good hunting, & God speed!



WELL SAID MATEY!!:grin::grin::grin:

[CRANNY]

Please excuse my interjection on this one. There are several obstacles here to contend with that I can see.
1) temperment- We all get flustered when someone shoots at us. A psychological occurance that is welcome to your opponent. It is much easier to take down an enemy who is not thinking clearly than one who has maintained his calm. Your opponent WILL use this against you.
2)rockets (adavantage)- all technological advantages in warfare are infact unfair, therfore there is no such thing as a fair fight. Wether in terms of technology, performance charicterisics, or skill; someone will be at a disadvantage. That being said; it is most often the case that in order to gain an advantage one must trade-off for a disadvantage in another area. Ie: altitude/speed, armor/agility, or speed/turn radius etc.

This leads to but one conclusion! Change tactics! I have personally dogdged many 40mm rockets. If fired close they are hard to miss with you say? Well then keep the shooter at a distance. I'd the rocket chucking anti-historian and see to it he has a very hard persuit. If he gets close...evade. Those rockets drop like stones and are much slower than bullets. Or fly a fighter.

Bottom line if you find yourself full of holes...you made at least one mistake too many. The flaw is always in your tactics if you loose. To paraphrase Sun Tsu- battles are not won by the victor...they are lost by the defeated.

Try and keep a cool head man, and I promise you'll find your victory! Good luck, good hunting, & God speed!
Sigh of relief, The beauty of rational thought conveyed in logical prose. Well said Orpheus.

[nuklhed808]

Please excuse my interjection on this one. There are several obstacles here to contend with that I can see.
1) temperment- We all get flustered when someone shoots at us. A psychological occurance that is welcome to your opponent. It is much easier to take down an enemy who is not thinking clearly than one who has maintained his calm. Your opponent WILL use this against you.
2)rockets (adavantage)- all technological advantages in warfare are infact unfair, therfore there is no such thing as a fair fight. Wether in terms of technology, performance charicterisics, or skill; someone will be at a disadvantage. That being said; it is most often the case that in order to gain an advantage one must trade-off for a disadvantage in another area. Ie: altitude/speed, armor/agility, or speed/turn radius etc.

This leads to but one conclusion! Change tactics! I have personally dogdged many 40mm rockets. If fired close they are hard to miss with you say? Well then keep the shooter at a distance. I'd the rocket chucking anti-historian and see to it he has a very hard persuit. If he gets close...evade. Those rockets drop like stones and are much slower than bullets. Or fly a fighter.

Bottom line if you find yourself full of holes...you made at least one mistake too many. The flaw is always in your tactics if you loose. To paraphrase Sun Tsu- battles are not won by the victor...they are lost by the defeated.

Try and keep a cool head man, and I promise you'll find your victory! Good luck, good hunting, & God speed!

Are you a pastor? I swear you were talking about me!! HAHAHA!!! Well put...:grin::grin::grin:

[Gilly]

Let's all just chill and be cool like Alaska. There's been some heated discussions on here over the past week and I hope most people will take them for, and respect them as peoples opinions. The last thing the community needs is to fragment and implode. I think most players know and respect that we all have our personal preferences when it comes to armourment and as the game allows you to, you should be able to use whatever, whenever irrespective of other people views and opinions. I guess what I'm saying is that no matter how much we write on here about our likes/ dislikes there will always be players that go against our 'IL2 morals' and as such disagree with us. I had a real red mist event earlier this week that was totally out of character and left me feeling quite down about the game, but I think Ratman summed it up nicely when he said to me 'rise above it, just play the way you play and be happy in the knowledge that your a better person than them for doing so'
I think to sum up we should all play exactly the way we want to play, be that right or wrong and remember it's just a game, 70 years ago it was real life and many good people died doing what we now consider to be just a game. Be thankful that after being rammed, rocketed, bombed or shot down you only have to wait a few seconds before you resurect and continue, back then there were no second chances. It's due to that generation that we now have the freedom to play such games and I think we shouldn't forget that.

[Kidrock40]

VERY WELL PUT GILLY ...... CHEERS MATE !!! ........ Did you all not read what I said in Waterman7 thread? Damnit I would give a lifetime worth of being killed just to have my PS3 back ..... I mean what i wouldnt give to see my left wing chewed full of holes or my engine smoking so bad i cant even see the screen or Davedog blowing me into a million little pcs with one of his rocket shots !!!! just so i could play. I'm with Gilly i dont want the community to fall apart ... one of these days ( hopefully soon ) i will have another PS3 and i want to hear EVERYONE of your cheery voices on there when your shooting me into a flat spin @ 3,000 ft. and keep hitting me till im a molten ball of fire .... OK?

[KAV]

VERY WELL PUT GILLY ...... CHEERS MATE !!! ........ Did you all not read what I said in Waterman7 thread? Damnit I would give a lifetime worth of being killed just to have my PS3 back ..... I mean what i wouldnt give to see my left wing chewed full of holes or my engine smoking so bad i cant even see the screen or Davedog blowing me into a million little pcs with one of his rocket shots !!!! just so i could play. I'm with Gilly i dont want the community to fall apart ... one of these days ( hopefully soon ) i will have another PS3 and i want to hear EVERYONE of your cheery voices on there when your shooting me into a flat spin @ 3,000 ft. and keep hitting me till im a molten ball of fire .... OK?

Well put Kidrock40
Seems we have forgotten how lucky we are, to be able to play this lovely game.
So all of you, please:

Forgive, forget, fly, fire and have fun............

[Kidrock40]

VERY WELL PUT GILLY ...... CHEERS MATE !!! ........ Did you all not read what I said in Waterman7 thread? Damnit I would give a lifetime worth of being killed just to have my PS3 back ..... I mean what i wouldnt give to see my left wing chewed full of holes or my engine smoking so bad i cant even see the screen or Davedog blowing me into a million little pcs with one of his rocket shots !!!! just so i could play. I'm with Gilly i dont want the community to fall apart ... one of these days ( hopefully soon ) i will have another PS3 and i want to hear EVERYONE of your cheery voices on there when your shooting me into a flat spin @ 3,000 ft. and keep hitting me till im a molten ball of fire .... OK?

[dkwookie]

I don't think threads like this do any good in here except get everyones back up. I have seen more and more negativity here over last few weeks and it's pretty crap. The other day I thought screw it let's fire up a tourny to like get some fun back into the game and while I was typing it up this thread appeared.
I figure everyone rather name and shame and argue so what's the point. Used to be there was the odd thread about new ways to play the game or tournaments but that's all gone.
Now it's name and shame and ludicrous accusations of lag switches. I will still be playing when I get chance. I shoot people down the way I wish to get shot down. With gunfire. I don't like rockets but that's my opinion so I play arcade where I can outmanouvere them

[dkwookie]

On the subject of rocket use in WW2. Branko mentioned their use in formation breaking and desperation tactics. The numbers here illustrate the numbers of planes in question:

"On 18 March 1945, 37 Me 262s of JG 7 intercepted a force of 1,221 bombers and 632 escorting fighters. "

Article continues with:

"Eventually, new combat tactics were developed to counter the Allied bombers' defences. Me 262s equipped with R4M rockets would approach from the side of a bomber formation, where their silhouettes were widest, and while still out of range of the 12.7 mm (.50 in) guns, fire a salvo of rockets. The high explosive warhead of only one or two of these rockets was capable of downing even the famously rugged B-17; a strike on an enemy aircraft meant its total annihilation"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262

Rocket kills in BoP are always close range, tail shots on bombers and head on with fighters. The fact we have to look up air to air rocket use in WW2 proves the point that its not widly accepted view of air to air combat. Reason I play BoP over Hawks is to get to pure air to air combat, not letting high explosives do the work for me.

[gbtstr]

Well, back to the cheese tactics...

Using IL-2/IL-10s in dogfights with the intent of tailgunning all your kills, while absorbing ridiculous amounts of fire, I find a bit cheesy. It's not like it's a scenario where the IL-2 is a good choice for attacking ground targets or picking off vulnerable bombers/transports. You're deliberately choosing a flying tank so you can sit in the back seat of your armored bath tub and pew-pew (with unlimited ammo) at any fighter foolish enough to try and latch onto your six. Add to that, for such a massive plane, the IL-2 seems to have no trouble out-turning a lot of fighters - fighters designed to be nimble/maneuverable. This makes the attacking fighter's job even more tricky because it's even harder to stay out of the line of fire.

I don't really have a gripe about big bombers in dogfights. Usually, they're so slow relative to everything else, you can simply avoid them and focus your attacks elsewhere. In most cases, I'd say the person flying the bomber puts themselves/their team at a disadvantage because they now have a big, slow target that is not much good for clearing an opposing fighter off a wingman's tail.

Rockets? Eh, whatever. I don't think I've ever been hit by one launched my direction, at least not while airborne. Of course, I also don't take bombers up to do my killing. If I were to take a bomber and get schwacked by a rocket attack, I'd probably be pissed, but do I think it's a valid, sans-cheese tactic? Yes. Do I do it? No. Why pray to get lucky with a rocket attack when you can use your guns and put the SOB down? Give them some 30mm loving.

Kamikazes? Well, I hate it when it happens to me. But, I have done it to others in the heat of the game - purposefully, and accidentally.

The problem with this game and any other is just that: it's a game. If you die, you respawn - big deal. Yeah, maybe you lose a game because of that, but your xbox/ps3 doesn't burst into flames when you hit the ground, you don't suddenly get a bullet hole in you when somebody scores a pilot kill. So, what's a valid tactic in a game doesn't have to equate to a good tactic in RL because there's no fear of death. Not saying there should be actual death as a consequence of video game death, but just that everybody needs to make peace with the fact that some cheesy things fly in video games that wouldn't in reality.

I agree that the solution to most of these is to change your own tactics.

Unfortunately, even with the best/most effective tactics you are limited in the game because of the pro-Soviet bias in aircraft performance. They have the best turning aircraft, the fastest aircraft down low, and some of the most heavily armed and armored. The Americans get a broke-dick P-51, a P-47 with the top speed and maneuverability of a row-boat in reverse. The Brits get the Hurricane, which is nice unless you want to go anywhere fast, and some decent Spitfires - but, they can all be out turned by the Russkies. The Germans get a variety of flying targets to choose from. Aside from the 109G-6 and K-4, and the jets - which only have speed and firepower in their favor - they can all be out-performed in multiple ways by everything except what the USA can bring to the party.

The best plan is to take a 109K-4 (or possibly one of the jets) and stay high. BnZ every target, and avoid low altitudes and La-5/7s like the plague. If you do that well, you will live long and kill a couple. Or take the La-5/7, stay low, turn and burn and kill/die a lot.

[ButcherBird]

nice post, i got alot of laughs from parts of it...thanks

Well, back to the cheese tactics...

Using IL-2/IL-10s in dogfights with the intent of tailgunning all your kills, while absorbing ridiculous amounts of fire, I find a bit cheesy. It's not like it's a scenario where the IL-2 is a good choice for attacking ground targets or picking off vulnerable bombers/transports. You're deliberately choosing a flying tank so you can sit in the back seat of your armored bath tub and pew-pew (with unlimited ammo) at any fighter foolish enough to try and latch onto your six. Add to that, for such a massive plane, the IL-2 seems to have no trouble out-turning a lot of fighters - fighters designed to be nimble/maneuverable. This makes the attacking fighter's job even more tricky because it's even harder to stay out of the line of fire.

I don't really have a gripe about big bombers in dogfights. Usually, they're so slow relative to everything else, you can simply avoid them and focus your attacks elsewhere. In most cases, I'd say the person flying the bomber puts themselves/their team at a disadvantage because they now have a big, slow target that is not much good for clearing an opposing fighter off a wingman's tail.

Rockets? Eh, whatever. I don't think I've ever been hit by one launched my direction, at least not while airborne. Of course, I also don't take bombers up to do my killing. If I were to take a bomber and get schwacked by a rocket attack, I'd probably be pissed, but do I think it's a valid, sans-cheese tactic? Yes. Do I do it? No. Why pray to get lucky with a rocket attack when you can use your guns and put the SOB down? Give them some 30mm loving.

Kamikazes? Well, I hate it when it happens to me. But, I have done it to others in the heat of the game - purposefully, and accidentally.

The problem with this game and any other is just that: it's a game. If you die, you respawn - big deal. Yeah, maybe you lose a game because of that, but your xbox/ps3 doesn't burst into flames when you hit the ground, you don't suddenly get a bullet hole in you when somebody scores a pilot kill. So, what's a valid tactic in a game doesn't have to equate to a good tactic in RL because there's no fear of death. Not saying there should be actual death as a consequence of video game death, but just that everybody needs to make peace with the fact that some cheesy things fly in video games that wouldn't in reality.

I agree that the solution to most of these is to change your own tactics.

Unfortunately, even with the best/most effective tactics you are limited in the game because of the pro-Soviet bias in aircraft performance. They have the best turning aircraft, the fastest aircraft down low, and some of the most heavily armed and armored. The Americans get a broke-dick P-51, a P-47 with the top speed and maneuverability of a row-boat in reverse. The Brits get the Hurricane, which is nice unless you want to go anywhere fast, and some decent Spitfires - but, they can all be out turned by the Russkies. The Germans get a variety of flying targets to choose from. Aside from the 109G-6 and K-4, and the jets - which only have speed and firepower in their favor - they can all be out-performed in multiple ways by everything except what the USA can bring to the party.

The best plan is to take a 109K-4 (or possibly one of the jets) and stay high. BnZ every target, and avoid low altitudes and La-5/7s like the plague. If you do that well, you will live long and kill a couple. Or take the La-5/7, stay low, turn and burn and kill/die a lot.

[CRANNY]

Butcher Bird are you on PS3? if so contact me on PSN Cranny70, Thanks

[ButcherBird]

CRANNY, i'm 360

sorry man

[f1rebrand]

You may or may not know someone with killer and dan in his name but I played a Strike game against him last night. I shot him down a few times in his B17. I was flying a G6 - so no rockets but yeah pretty good armanent. He also shot me down with his tail gun. I rammed him once but it certainly wasn't intentional. My friends here will vouch for me there.

The following game he was flying a ME163 and attacking B17's. I then adopted an escort role and defended the B17 on my team, shooting him down a few times in the process.

In the lobby for the next game he then began to slag me off in front of 16 players telling me that I should fly in Dogfight mode rather than Strike if I wanted to shoot planes down. Basically in his opinion Strike is for bombing only (Apparently in WW2 bombers never came under attack from fighters)

BTW I spoke to a bomber pilot about this and she said that he has attacked her with rockets. So he is also a hypocrite.

I messaged him "You should deal with it. When I fly bombers I expect to get shot down but that's part of the challenge." The response. "Cheap shot a**hole."

How boring would it be if we just flew to our targets without threat of fighter molestation. This really is kindergarten at times.

I can't imagine ace bomber jockeys like Gilly or Branko complaining too much (unless of course rockets are used).

[ButcherBird]

on strike i always fly a G-6 and just pretty much play defense. Its pretty fun to just practice shooting at bombers as the come in. Never had any bomber pilots get really upset with me

[Zatoichi_Sanjuro]

Unfortunately, even with the best/most effective tactics you are limited in the game because of the pro-Soviet bias in aircraft performance. They have the best turning aircraft, the fastest aircraft down low, and some of the most heavily armed and armored. The Americans get a broke-dick P-51, a P-47 with the top speed and maneuverability of a row-boat in reverse. The Brits get the Hurricane, which is nice unless you want to go anywhere fast, and some decent Spitfires - but, they can all be out turned by the Russkies.

Once again, the Ace of Aces final was fought between two Spitfire IX's. If the Russian fighters turning rate was such an advantage they would have been picked for the final. The fact is the turn advantage for the LA over the Spit is miniscule and neutralised by the Spits superior firepower.

[f1rebrand]

on strike i always fly a G-6 and just pretty much play defense. Its pretty fun to just practice shooting at bombers as the come in. Never had any bomber pilots get really upset with me

Most B17 pilots accept that if they're going to fly the most destructive plane, that can win a strike game singlehandedly, then they're naturally going to be a target for fighters. So it's up to that individual's skills on the the tail gun.

Sadly, a minority don't see it that way and prefer to throw their toys out of the pram.

[Robotic Pope]

Once again, the Ace of Aces final was fought between two Spitfire IX's. If the Russian fighters turning rate was such an advantage they would have been picked for the final. The fact is the turn advantage for the LA over the Spit is miniscule and neutralised by the Spits superior firepower.

I don't know, My experience is that the La-5 and La-7 turn a lot tighter than the spitfires and the cannons on both are pretty deadly thanks to them being mounted so close to each other it needs very little convergence, so acuracy of long range shots is much better. When Im flying my Fw190 or Mustang the La.7 is the plane I have most fear of because of its instant power. If I boom and zoom an La.7 and miss (quite often because of its insane turning ability) quite often the La can turn 360 degrees to follow my zoom climb and still catch me and start shooting in less than 30 seconds. Once that happens I'm dead meat.

[CRANNY]

I don't know, My experience is that the La-5 and La-7 turn a lot tighter than the spitfires and the cannons on both are pretty deadly thanks to them being mounted so close to each other it needs very little convergence, so acuracy of long range shots is much better. When Im flying my Fw190 or Mustang the La.7 is the plane I have most fear of because of its instant power. If I boom and zoom an La.7 and miss (quite often because of its insane turning ability) quite often the La can turn 360 degrees to follow my zoom climb and still catch me and start shooting in less than 30 seconds. Once that happens I'm dead meat.
You need a wingman.

[gbtstr]

I don't know, My experience is that the La-5 and La-7 turn a lot tighter than the spitfires and the cannons on both are pretty deadly thanks to them being mounted so close to each other it needs very little convergence, so acuracy of long range shots is much better. When Im flying my Fw190 or Mustang the La.7 is the plane I have most fear of because of its instant power. If I boom and zoom an La.7 and miss (quite often because of its insane turning ability) quite often the La can turn 360 degrees to follow my zoom climb and still catch me and start shooting in less than 30 seconds. Once that happens I'm dead meat.

Exactly. There is undeniably some turn advantage, enough to be significant. And the placement of the cannon in the nose of the La's helps your aim by reducing the recoil and and convergence problems, like Pope said. The Spit may pack more guns so that on paper its firepower is superior, but how is it in practice?

I ran the numbers on 15 piston engined fighters in realistic, xbox (so no patched performance): Bf109F, Bf109G-6,G-10, Bf109K, Fw190A, Fw190D, La-5, La-7, Yak-3, P-51D, P-47, Spit II, IX, XVI, and Hurricane II.

The fact is, the La-7 has the best acceleration below 5,000' - where the bulk of dogfighting takes place. On its heels are the 109K, the 109G-10, La-5 and Yak-3. Once you hit 10,000' the two 109's are in front and followed by the La-7, Fw-190D, and La-5. So, even up to 10,000 (a very high altitude for multiplayer dogfights) unless you're in one of the 109s an La-7 will catch you. This is why Pope's Mustang gets run down from behind, even after executing a good BnZ attack on an La-7 bleeding speed in a high-g turn (the P-51D manages to out-accelerate only the Hurricane below 20,000').

So, already with a turn advantage, the La-7 gets to have a substantial advantage in putting knots back on the plane at the prime dogfighting altitudes.

As to why the two finalists in the contest chose to each take a Spitfire Mk IX, who knows? The Spit IX is a solid upper end of the pack fighter, so it is a good choice. Maybe they were both British. Maybe they decided they would see who the better pilot was by taking the same machine. Maybe they both flew the Spitfire so much that they knew it the best and decided not to change things up at the last minute in a competition. Just because two random dudes chose to fly it over the La-7 in a particular fight, doesn't mean the La-7 has no advantages over the Spitfire. There could be any number of explanations, and their endorsement of the Spitfire IX doesn't necessarily mean anything.

In a brief bit of anecdotal evidence for the La-5 as well, I was once nearly chased down by one while flying a Dora-9. I did as Pope did, got some altitude, rolled in on the giant team battle furball, tried to pick a target, fired but didn't kill anything, exited the fight and began my zoom. An La-5 that was last seen 90 degrees off my heading, below me, and pulling around towards 180 off of my heading, is now suddenly within 1km of me and tracers are whizzing by my cockpit. It took staying within a very narrow sweet spot in pitch attitude, laying on the WEP for the entire time, and a climb to at least over 15,000 (probably over 20,000 but I don't quite remember) for me to slowly open the distance. It was him finally losing interest that brought the engagement to an end. If it had continued, I'm not sure what would have happened. But, if I had tried to escape by rolling inverted, pulling it around in a dive and trying to zoom away again, I have little doubt that he would have closed the gap and probably shot me down.

If it had been an La-7, I probably would've had a long parachute ride down from about 10,000.

[Zatoichi_Sanjuro]

As to why the two finalists in the contest chose to each take a Spitfire Mk IX, who knows? The Spit IX is a solid upper end of the pack fighter, so it is a good choice. Maybe they were both British. Maybe they decided they would see who the better pilot was by taking the same machine. Maybe they both flew the Spitfire so much that they knew it the best and decided not to change things up at the last minute in a competition. Just because two random dudes chose to fly it over the La-7 in a particular fight, doesn't mean the La-7 has no advantages over the Spitfire. There could be any number of explanations, and their endorsement of the Spitfire IX doesn't necessarily mean anything.


Edal favours the Spit but Mirgervin up till then flew the LA. In practice he decided the Spit had enough firepower advantages at head-on's over the LA to go with that instead. You're both comparing the LA with B'n'Z planes when B'n'Z is ostensibly weak in this game. You take a 190 into a 1v1 dogfight with a Spit or a LA in this game and you'll lose pretty much everytime. The 109K is the only B'n'Z prop plane that is decent to fly.

[Robotic Pope]

Edal favours the Spit but Mirgervin up till then flew the LA. In practice he decided the Spit had enough firepower advantages at head-on's over the LA to go with that instead. You're both comparing the LA with B'n'Z planes when B'n'Z is ostensibly weak in this game. You take a 190 into a 1v1 dogfight with a Spit or a LA in this game and you'll lose pretty much everytime. The 109K is the only B'n'Z prop plane that is decent to fly.

I wasn't exactly comparing BnZ planes to the La's, I was saying that when I'm flying a Mustang of Fw190 planes which I prefer, I have MUCH more difficulty with the La's compared to the spitfires. I think also the La's can continue to easily turn to follow my climb even if i dealt it quite a bit of wing damage, where if I can hit a spits wing during my boom and if it doesn't immediately crash I can more often return and attack it again in a turning fight and get the kill.

[JOED70]

As for the rocket tatic, my feeling on them is allthough they can be anoying it still takes a large amount of skill combined with luck to get an air kill with them bombers being larger and slower only slighty easier but still hard to hit.The biggest problem seems to be the amount of lag they can generate if some is fireing rockets and guns I have seen lag spikes that slow the game down due to fact that the amount of smoke generated stresses the system due to haveing to render so many pixles with rocket smoke trail . I have had rockets used on me flying a fighter if that happens next match ill grab my trusty IL2M and introduce them to the tailguns of death . I love my tail gun:evil::evil:
As for bombers in dogfight well you just have to change tatics to get them

Dont hang out on thier 6 attack from abreast from above or make head on runs . But I agree that for Dogfight bombers should be parked but alas as the host has no control over who can join or what type planes it is one of those game things we have to live with .

That brings us to the topic of bailing . I will bail most times in dogfights CTA and Strike once I am damaged enough feel that guy who pumped all those rounds into me deserves it. Team battle is different thing I will try and last as long as possible in those engagenments in order to allow my teammates to get advantage. If one or 2 bandits are busy trying to finnish me off they arn't killing my Sqn mates . But as thier is no real incentive built into the game to bail ie should get a star if you bail and survive as opposed to rideing it into the ground loseing crew and craft . Maybe a 30 sec time pently for a pilot kill
Instant respawn if you bail would be a soultion.

But as far as my biggest cheese for me is the Stacking of teams that happens over and over. Ie last nite in a strike realistic match Other guys are in Stuka and il10 go team B I pick A and grab Il2M with bombs rocket load out teamate has an A-20 so it looks to me like are pretty ballanced its 2 on 2 just as match starts my team-mate who is frequent player switchs from his A-20 to a fighter- no A2G weapons. Now my teammate flies off to north loiters around while the stuka makes bombing runs un -opposed while 1L10 herasses the hell out of me . Oh after i damage the hell out of Il10 My teammate comes fires one burst at guy he bails so teammate gets kill . Teamate then bails crashes repsawns gives up 2 easy kills to other team who are both over our targets didnt see what happend but assume based on the tatics I assume he just gave them up, each get a kill on him with in a min of his spawning . End result loss teamate gets 10 stars other 2 get 40 and 20 me 0. So I join next strike mission 2 guys from other team are thier so this time a grab my stuka . Now these 2 clowns pick team a and b17's and try and jam on a match .So I called them on the being the pussies that they are and took my bag of marbles and went home . Now I understand that often times people will setup a match unpurpose that is one sided to allow someone to get a plane unlock or achivement have no problem with that have been helped in that way many times and have helped others. Things is everyone in room is aweer of what is happening. That is not what this was. These actions are what can be the demise of online play for a game people try game if they are constantly being raped by A-holes. They quickly lose intrest and stop playing traffic on servers dies . puplishers see no growth - no intrest thus no reason to delevop sequel .

So my cheese of the week award goes to MAD-Coyote

[Gilly]

In the lobby for the next game he then began to slag me off in front of 16 players telling me that I should fly in Dogfight mode rather than Strike if I wanted to shoot planes down. Basically in his opinion Strike is for bombing only (Apparently in WW2 bombers never came under attack from

I messaged him "You should deal with it. When I fly bombers I expect to get shot down but that's part of the challenge." The response. "Cheap shot a**hole."

How boring would it be if we just flew to our targets without threat of fighter molestation. This really is kindergarten at times.

I can't imagine ace bomber jockeys like Gilly or Branko complaining too much (unless of course rockets are used).

where's the fun in that???? Gives me something to do whilst 'on route' and while waiting for bomb respawn! The more the merrier in my book!

[f1rebrand]

where's the fun in that???? Gives me something to do whilst 'on route' and while waiting for bomb respawn! The more the merrier in my book!

Haha, just as I thought. Cool as you like.

[Gilly]

I thought I had just about seen every cheese ridden excuse for a player this game had to offer but what I witnessed last night was a real Stilton of a tactic. Save for the fact this one player refused to bail whatever they also carried a 250lb bomb on their MKIX and proceeded to drop it just before hitting the ground, blowing themselves up in the process and deliberately causing themselves to appear as a crash and deliberately stealing the potential for it to be registered as a kill. So it seems you can configure a 'crash' button by just strapping a bomb underneath and killing yourself when the mood takes you. Now I'm not one for singling people out ( unless you rob me of a kill by not being a man and bailing when your planes unflyable) but this player is now the only person to be entered into Gilly's Hall of Twats... with honours. Mind his 20 or so deaths to 2 kills hopefully means they reconsider especially when I'm against them.

[Shadowcorp]

thats a new one what a stinker most likley a sim or arcade who doesn't like the fact we bail

[Gilly]

thats a new one what a stinker most likley a sim or arcade who doesn't like the fact we bail

Ironically it's neither sadly. It's a regular player who I believe happens to currently sit at the top of the leaderboard.... I know why now

[Davedog74]

its a shame,one patch to sort anti bailing and killable rear gunners and the game would be so much better

[bobbysocks]

Gilly's Hall of Twats.....LMFAO...that's funny.

[Zatoichi_Sanjuro]

I've seen people deliberately aim for trees when they are damaged beyond recovery. It almost always registers as a crash regardless of how shot up they are.

[dkwookie]

Ironically it's neither sadly. It's a regular player who I believe happens to currently sit at the top of the leaderboard.... I know why now

Does he rhyme with who's that? Or are we talking mezo America?

[scottyvt4]

lol got to say some really valid points in here.


im a fair player in respects to if my aircraft is that badly damaged i tend to bail if i can alot of time i cant react quick enought to :(. What would you do as if you were flying for real A. leave the battlefield and limp home ( dont have that option on bop) B. bail. its a bit respect for the other players in the game IMO

hate kamikazi's (sp) ive flown into people head to head or attacking a bomber (gilly a few times :p) i will immeadiately send a message "sorry wasnt ment". ive never rammed someone cause they got me 3 or 4x in a row, i do my best to try and shot them down

rockets - also a lame lame tactic yawn sooooooooooooo boring, as dk pointed out it was used as an eventual tactic, but once the rockets were used that was it, but wee punks in I153's who sit on you're tail machine guns blazing and rockets used as quick as they can respawn yaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!

[bobbysocks]

now i aim for the trees...but not to intentionally crash ( well sometimes but i will get to that). my best tactic for shaking someone off my 6 is hit the deck and blow the sparrows out of their nests. this is the one thing i can do pretty well..lol. but my plane must look like the pic below when i am done.

now as for crashing or bailing i will ask what is proper "Etiquette". i by chance did happen to get a kill or the guy after me spun in and he crashed...but not before he tore me to shreds. my crate is barely able to fly let alone engage. in real life (i'm with scotty) i would get the hell out of dodge and break for any airfield, try to belly her in a farmers field, or if too uncontrollable point her to germany and bail out. so at this point i may crash so i am on equal grounds ( equipmentwise ) with my opponent. Or should i stay in the air and serve my self up? i really wouldnt want anyone doing that for me. but if that is the way the game is played i will. i have never intentionally eaten earth simply to deny someone a take down. if i cant shake'm then then he deserves the points/kill. all in all i dont want to be a another twat in gilly's hall.

[Gilly]

I doubt that Bobby! The fact you come on here, converse and post some historical and interesting stuff shows you have inteligence!
As far as I'm concerned if you smash my plane up beyond repair I'll graciously bail thereby crediting you the kill. I wouldn't stay with a crippled plane in real life so why would I when playing IL2. I appreciate what Scotty says about the times when you can't or don't get the chance but to deliberately bomb yourself as you get low enough was just extracting the urine I thought. If it's not bad enough that you spin the wheel and hope when people crash you get the credit to deliberately destroy yourself really was beyond cheese and tantamount to cheating in my book. All of the guys I play the game will bail and not only do we play with honour, integrity and maturity we also acknowledge the games failings and try to get around this by bailing. Anyway I'd rather have a fresh plane and get back to killing than trying to fly something that won't!
Respect to those that do bail and watch your six to those that don't, I'll happily just keep getting righteous on your ass! Call it quality control!!!

[bobbysocks]

AAAHHHH so a bailout will give the other guy a kill?? i was under the impression that a bail would rob him of a kill. ok...now what happens if the opponent crashes before like i said and my plane was way beyond airworthiness? bail? and since he's dead and i survived...it goes back to 0-0?? there is a lot i need to learn about this game besides flying.

[winny]

If I can keep straight and level then I'm not bailing, you'll have to 'explode' me. If the plane's unflyable then It's time to jump.

Them's my rules and they seem to keep people happy. (Except sometimes for reasons I can't explain I hit the PS button insted of start and plummet into the ground)

Oh, if you've hit me with rockets, I'm staying in the cockpit and aiming for a tree.

[Gilly]

AAAHHHH so a bailout will give the other guy a kill?? i was under the impression that a bail would rob him of a kill. ok...now what happens if the opponent crashes before like i said and my plane was way beyond airworthiness? bail? and since he's dead and i survived...it goes back to 0-0?? there is a lot i need to learn about this game besides flying.

99% of the time on ps3 it'll credit the kill if you bail. There is the odd time when it doesn't but not enough to be a problem.
As for your question ( I'm guessing you refer to 1v1?) if he's crashed deliberately and I haven't been creddited the kill I'd still bail if I couldn't fly, after all to get me to that state they have had to have hit me a reasonable amount. And as I said I'd rather be back in a fresh killing machine than a limping dying aircraft anyway and time spent crawling around is time that can be used to get onto their six and hit them.
The idiot I referred was at it again last night and thanks to shadow, kav and bad for helping me not go too mental!! Had to take a break afterwards I was that p'd off... Think I'm taking it way to personally!!!!!

[BRIGGBOY]

what a cock that has to be the most limp wristed dick dribbling tactic i have heard of especially to stay at the top of a leaderboard that is totally knackered

[dkwookie]

I don't even recognize this guys name. How he made it to the top of the leaderboard with such shoddy tactics makes an even bigger mockery of those leaderboards than it was already.
But I must say it's good to have loosers like this in the game cos it gives us fair players someone to shoot with extreme prejudice. By this I mean I am nearly at the point where I hold back in matches because there are freinds I don't really want to shoot. We need some rogues knocking about to pepper.
In fact in my view we could do with a team of ace dickheads to get some real preasurised team battles. I wish that clan shadowcorp talks about would turn up en masse to spice things up

[winny]

Who is it?

I'm up for a bit of retribution..

I need to get back into this game, I bouight borderlands out of the bargain bucket and it just eats away at my online time. Getting bored now tho.

[IamKFAM]

In fact in my view we could do with a team of ace dickheads to get some real preasurised team battles. I wish that clan shadowcorp talks about would turn up en masse to spice things up

Highly doubtful...

And the ones you really want don't live there anymore anyway.

[BRIGGBOY]

But I must say it's good to have loosers like this in the game cos it gives us fair players someone to shoot with extreme prejudice.

amen to that

[Robotic Pope]

AAAHHHH so a bailout will give the other guy a kill?? i was under the impression that a bail would rob him of a kill. ok...now what happens if the opponent crashes before like i said and my plane was way beyond airworthiness? bail? and since he's dead and i survived...it goes back to 0-0?? there is a lot i need to learn about this game besides flying.

You got to be carefull here bobby lol. These guys are talking about the patched PS3 version. I got in a big arguement a few months back with a guy who said if you bail out the shooter always gets the kill, which we on xbox know isnt true. I didn't know that what he said IS true after the PS3 patch. But he WAS misleading xbox players that bailing out is a good thing to do when it really isn't, its no different than a crash. Best thing to do on xbox is stay in your plane to give the shooter as much time as posible to "Air Kill" you.


its a shame,one patch to sort anti bailing and killable rear gunners and the game would be so much better

lol this made me laugh hard.

[bobbysocks]

Pope, even if the plane is barely holding its own? i really wouldnt want a kill like that. shooting a lame duck while you have a fresh bird...i dont know, man. i would rather he get a fresh one and we go at it again. i am not in it for the points...will never see my name on a leaderboard. here for the fun and the challenge. but i dont want to P!$$ everyone off either.

[Robotic Pope]

Pope, even if the plane is barely holding its own? i really wouldnt want a kill like that. shooting a lame duck while you have a fresh bird...i dont know, man. i would rather he get a fresh one and we go at it again. i am not in it for the points...will never see my name on a leaderboard. here for the fun and the challenge. but i dont want to P!$$ everyone off either.

Well let me put it this way. Ive been in realistic dogfights with randoms who have cried out with slight anger "Grrrrrrrr, He f*&£ing bailed out" because they didn't get a kill. Ive never ever, not even once, heard someone pissed off because the guy they were shooting at DIDN'T bail out. On Xbox nobody will expect you to bail out so don't worry about it :)

[f1rebrand]

On Xbox no-one can hear you scream.

[dkwookie]

On Xbox no-one can hear you scream.

ROFL
Fire you need to work in sony marketing. That's a ps3 ad campaign right there

[BRIGGBOY]

yeah f1re you can be a marketing consultant for me any day but back to bailing out i have a friend who has a grandad that flew hurricanes from hiballdstow airfield during ww2 and he told him that if a plane recieved an amount of damage that it couldnt fly then they would bail straight away as they were told from their commanders and enginers that if the plane caught fire then they would have about 20 secs to get out. but back to bop then i think most of us adults that do play the game do bail if they have the chance before or after patch

[Shadowcorp]

I live to raise another linux computer from the dead..... what!? oh yes

I have a second id, i suggest to those of you who want to punish the jackasses in question you also make up a second id, They won't know what hit them the, Bouzat didin't.

[f1rebrand]

ROFL
Fire you need to work in sony marketing. That's a ps3 ad campaign right there

Thanks dk and Brigg. As it happens I do kind of work in marketing.

Cheers fellas.

[McQ59]

I live to raise another linux computer from the dead..... what!? oh yes

I have a second id, i suggest to those of you who want to punish the jackasses in question you also make up a second id, They won't know what hit them the, Bouzat didin't.

I'm right in there mate. Let's form up a "shadowsquad of proxys" and go get the loosers! :cool:

[markyboyacebassist]

Thanks dk and Brigg. As it happens I do kind of work in marketing.

Cheers fellas.

For the "Dark side" from star wars?:-P:-P

"Long may the invulnerable Xbox 360 pilots rule the skies! ":wink::wink:

[Shadowcorp]

I'm right in there mate. Let's form up a "shadowsquad of proxys" and go get the loosers! :cool:

Sounds good but we need to protect our secret identities, I'm ready to bring some pain to those jackasses, they won't get a 262 match with me again.
Any one wants to join the proxy squad PM me you secret id, i'll add it as a friend to mine. And when necassary the hunt begins!
In the very least we can make it unpleasant for the jackasses in question.

[dkwookie]

Sounds good but we need to protect our secret identities, I'm ready to bring some pain to those jackasses, they won't get a 262 match with me again.
Any one wants to join the proxy squad PM me you secret id, i'll add it as a friend to mine. And when necassary the hunt begins!
In the very least we can make it unpleasant for the jackasses in question.

Call it the illuminati squadron

[bobbysocks]

ya need that eye in a triangle as your emblem...kind of the "then came bronson" <<<< (old 60s us tv show) symbol.

as for cheese...being a traitor in a team game gets me. got into several good team games last night and did fair. but in the one game this certain joker kept knocking me out of the sky. then i noticed he was on MY team! OK..i can see if i am on someone's tail and there is someone behind me firing..i move into their line of fire...or accidental stuff. but this was intentional over and over again. when i crashed there was only one plane pulling away...him. so whenever he was infront of me...i repaid the kindness.

[dkwookie]

Don't forget the secret handshake!

I have seen all the cheese tactics now and take it in my stride. Used to get wound up to boiling point but now if I get annoyed I get some altitude, circle for a bit and count to 10 then bnz the cheat. It's very therapitic

[bobbysocks]

i will say i dont get terribly upset. minorly P!$$ed but not going to throw the lamp at the tv. i just keep things in the back of my memory...forgive but never forget ( or you are doomed to be screwed again...screw me once shame on you....screw me twice shame on me ). and one day when i am a decent dogfighter.....

[Shadowcorp]

Wookie your right as ever, but most of the jackasses in question already know enough to fear you, secret squadron aside

[Lahatiel]

It kinda seems cheesy that you guys would form a secret squadron to isolate cheese tacticians. It is only a game. Take pride that you are so l33t that someone has to find a way around a toe to toe fight and get one up on you.

but hey, it's just an opinion...flame on.

[BRIGGBOY]

exactly it is only a game so why dont the spineless pricks play the game properly then maybe the fair players wouldnt have to go to these lengths to try to deal with them

[winny]

It kinda seems cheesy that you guys would form a secret squadron to isolate cheese tacticians. It is only a game. Take pride that you are so l33t that someone has to find a way around a toe to toe fight and get one up on you.

but hey, it's just an opinion...flame on.

Fair point, I bet it'd be fun to do tho.

[Shadowcorp]

Good point.
I was honesty doing this because some of the major cheesetactians avoid matches with my shadowcorp account and instead prefer to pick on those who are less well prepared.
I'm certainly not going to be devoting all my time to a secret squadron not with red dead redemption coming out soon, but it would be a happy distraction if i ever get any time on my playstation any time soon.

[dkwookie]

Shadow your right the major Edam pilots prey on newer players. What I don't understand is they are generally pretty good fighters without the Gouda so what do they hope to gain from the dodgy tactics. If it's leaderboard position then that's a joke. If it's for personal amusement then that's pityfull.
Last time I locked horns with one was a mezo American variety and it was tb which ended up me v him. I dealt with it well except for the moment I watched him spiral from 10k ft without a bail. That was a big fu moment that made me realize it's not worth getting wound up by him

[bobbysocks]

dk....they need to be dealt with...in an underhanded way ( so to speak ) or whatever. they will drive away all the new players ruining their experience. instead of playing BoP they will jump to the game where they have friends and can have fun. i havent experienced this yet and am not too thrilled at the prospect...if and when it happens i will play to the end and go from there. but go get rat bastards...show them the light and err of their ways.

[Lahatiel]

I agree that most of the cheese heads are running away new players, and that is probably why I was so frustrated when I first started. So maybe you guys are right in giving a little payback.

I almost got run off, but stuck around for some reason. I guess cause the game is so much fun for me. Maybe one day I'll get the dog fighting down enough to help make some games cheese free.

Shadow, anytime you want to own me in a game it is cool with me. I might be slightly better than n00b level, but not by much. Who knows, maybe I'll pick up a hint or two from you. I only play on arcade though....I'm on PS3.

[scottyvt4]

I agree that most of the cheese heads are running away new players, and that is probably why I was so frustrated when I first started. So maybe you guys are right in giving a little payback.

I almost got run off, but stuck around for some reason. I guess cause the game is so much fun for me. Maybe one day I'll get the dog fighting down enough to help make some games cheese free.

Shadow, anytime you want to own me in a game it is cool with me. I might be slightly better than n00b level, but not by much. Who knows, maybe I'll pick up a hint or two from you. I only play on arcade though....I'm on PS3.


there are loads of feta players on arcade and ive seen a few play realistic and quit after they have been shot down couple times makes me chuckle.



Lahatiel ive seen you're name a few times on arcade .............. come on over to realistic, reduce you're settings bit of practise you will enjoy it we will look after you lol. Im by no means an expert ........... pretty average player kill myself more with crashing than anything - or crashing into gilly hahahah - the whole bail out when you're plane is goosed and falling appart is more a mutual respect thing than a golden rule, imo!!!

[Panzergranate]

The most hated cheese tactic of all is when searching through quick match I find a game.... fair enough.

The game has just the host in it.

OK I've joined the game and am sorting through the list for the correct aircraft and bombs, if required, only to see that the countdown timer has been started.

I make a policy, as do a few others I know, of quiting out of the game as soon as I see this happen.

Usually it is kids and squeakers who try this on. They nearly always don't have a mike.

If I did play them one of one, and occasionally I do, they quit after I've shot them down for the umpteenth time as things aren't going to plan for them.

Last time I did this bit of meanness it was against two kids in a dogfight and they were working together.

Not having the curtesy to wait for somebody joining a game to ready up and starting the timer is really cheesy.

[Gilly]

That's always a beauty! Timer tickers! I enjoy these the most when it's in strike and I normally enter with a spit as we generally dogfight using the strike game. It's even more fun to find them waiting with a friend and as soon as you enter the timer ticks. I now hold off until about 3 seconds remaining and switch to a B17. It normally keeps the factory of whipass you deliver to a relatively short period of time....normally.....unless they quit that is!!
I even had one where the 'partner' was telling the countdown kid that he should stop the timer as they would take a hiding from me... they did!!

[Robotic Pope]

That's always a beauty! Timer tickers! I enjoy these the most when it's in strike and I normally enter with a spit as we generally dogfight using the strike game. It's even more fun to find them waiting with a friend and as soon as you enter the timer ticks. I now hold off until about 3 seconds remaining and switch to a B17. It normally keeps the factory of whipass you deliver to a relatively short period of time....normally.....unless they quit that is!!
I even had one where the 'partner' was telling the countdown kid that he should stop the timer as they would take a hiding from me... they did!!

lol fight cheese with cheese. HAHA my cheese is stronger than yours!!

[Gilly]

lol fight cheese with cheese. HAHA my cheese is stronger than yours!!

Never out of choice but pull cheddar on me and I'll Brie you!!!

[winny]

Remember, Cheddar's for show, Brie's for a pro..

[McQ59]

And I met the camemberts last night in a really illuminating teambattle. I allmost didn't believe what I was spectating... To do the self-bombing inches over land/water is just the most childish shit I've ever seen in gaming. I guess we just have to do our killing in the air. And take no cheese prisoners!

Go chew them guys...

[Gilly]

And I met the camemberts last night in a really illuminating teambattle. I allmost didn't believe what I was spectating... To do the self-bombing inches over land/water is just the most childish shit I've ever seen in gaming. I guess we just have to do our killing in the air. And take no cheese prisoners!

Go chew them guys...


Kav mentioned you'd had the pleasure of meeting the 'bomb myself' master or should than be 'buum myself'. Sounds as if it's spreading too as I heard that their all at it. In the words of wookie 'it's time to get medievil' on them. Now where did I put that longbow......

[KAV]

Gilly
There were 3 bombloaded cheddars vs two goatcheese loaded norwegians.
Mcq was stunned by the cheesetactics, he almost went choked on a large lump of cheddar gpne bad........

[McQ59]

It was like I couldn't believe my eyes mate, but that was what they were doing. Shameless little chrashbunny.

I'm just adjusting the garrott for a little cheese-squize!

[winny]

I've not seen this... Are they basically commiting suicide by bomb just before they crash?

[Gilly]

I've not seen this... Are they basically commiting suicide by bomb just before they crash?

Yep that's the tactic, fall out of the sky and just before the ground drop bomb, kill themself thereby removing the slim chance of a kill credit. It means they have no kills against them. Total blatent cheating tossers.
Anyone for forming an 'Agincourt' squadron, a special ops flight to specifically deal out judgement and execution on the amphibian munchers?

[dkwookie]

Yep that's the tactic, fall out of the sky and just before the ground drop bomb, kill themself thereby removing the slim chance of a kill credit. It means they have no kills against them. Total blatent cheating tossers.
Anyone for forming an 'Agincourt' squadron, a special ops flight to specifically deal out judgement and execution on the amphibian munchers?

Aye I am in. When is St Crispens day again?

After Mcq and Kav told me before the match I made sure I followed them all the way guns blazing. Didn't give them the chance to self bomb.
This worked as it was a 3 v 3 medium altitude battle but low level or more players wouldn't provide time.
Lord camambert quit after about 4 deaths. Says it all

[winny]

Yep that's the tactic, fall out of the sky and just before the ground drop bomb, kill themself thereby removing the slim chance of a kill credit. It means they have no kills against them. Total blatent cheating tossers.
Anyone for forming an 'Agincourt' squadron, a special ops flight to specifically deal out judgement and execution on the amphibian munchers?

You have to admire the ingenuity.. Sneaky.

Medievil dosn't seem stong enuff. Get prehistoric on them.

[Gilly]

You have to admire the ingenuity..

yeah a bit like taking longbows to a bow and arrow fight??!!


http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad256/paulcgill/826a74f0.jpg

[bobbysocks]

wouldnt it P!$$ them off if you rocketed their @$$s right before they were able to blow themselves up?

[dkwookie]

wouldnt it P!$$ them off if you rocketed their @$$s right before they were able to blow themselves up?

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

To defeat cheese you must become cheese!

I still think sustained gunfire is the sollution. Against fair opponents I cease fire when I see the terminal damage wobble or spiral. If he is an unfair opponent I slam on the breaks and follow him down with a gunfire until either I run out of ammo or he explodes/wings come off

[scottyvt4]

agrees with wookie tbvh, starting to notice more and more anti bail'ers!!!! as ive said i try and bail at every oppertunity i cant get the buttons pressed quickly enough lol in a game i played yesterday i quit by accident :o


in response to gilly's pic this sums up the cheesemiester tactions(sp?) for me anyways

http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums/Demotivational/1/demotivational-posters-defeat.jpeg (http://www.funnyforumpics.com)


http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums/Youre-Awseome/2/You-Are-Awesome_(The_Office).gif (http://www.funnyforumpics.com)

[Davedog74]

im chuckling away here,iv saved the high scores one tor the next deliberate anti bailer,got to keep my head down in here coz im partial to a rp3,but rockets anonymous is going well
as for the bombing one, the host should say no bombs please when sorting planes and weapons out in the lobby,and fellow lobby players should back him up,5 voices saying no is better than 1,if its the host -new lobby





ROCKEEEEEEEETS!!sorry

[Gilly]

ROCKEEEEEEEETS!!sorry

time and a place Dave, time and a place........and I think this is just the rocket powered outlet you may have been looking for. They chucked enough over from there a while back so I'm happy for you to chuck them back!!!

[KAV]

Aye I am in. When is St Crispens day again?

After Mcq and Kav told me before the match I made sure I followed them all the way guns blazing. Didn't give them the chance to self bomb.
This worked as it was a 3 v 3 medium altitude battle but low level or more players wouldn't provide time.
Lord camambert quit after about 4 deaths. Says it all

And I was stuck with Lord Camambert and Tagemandbandem as team mates. Up against Mcq, Gilly and Wookie. The Lord was wearing his headset and I curse myself for not being able to record his last words, as being chewed up by wookie and then bail for good out of the game..........


Suggestion for new Bombing session:

Fw190 f8 defending Berlin against B-17 and P 51 s.
Time: Night
Weather: Clear

Looks kinda like this:
http://s763.photobucket.com/home/kav...view=slideshow

[bobbysocks]

im chuckling away here,iv saved the high scores one tor the next deliberate anti bailer,got to keep my head down in here coz im partial to a rp3,but rockets anonymous is going well
as for the bombing one, the host should say no bombs please when sorting planes and weapons out in the lobby,and fellow lobby players should back him up,5 voices saying no is better than 1,if its the host -new lobby





ROCKEEEEEEEETS!!sorry

Dave is was saying rockets for the cheesers...only after the limberg starts to stink and you know. cheese for cheese...and id bet they cry foul!

[McQ59]

I guess I don't have to say I second the bombrun-idea... Nice one!

As for the mission you had to wingman Lord Camembert; What can a man say... In a way I wish I was the one to hear what he said before he chickened out. Had I only understood chickenfrench...

[Gilly]

As for the mission you had to wingman Lord Camembert; What can a man say... In a way I wish I was the one to hear what he said before he chickened out. Had I only understood chickenfrench...

I felt the same in the earlier game, harsh in a way that you had to wingman the 'grenouilles' muncher, great in that you knew you weren't the first, second or third target on our list!!!!

[scottyvt4]

i dont think ive had the pleasure of flying with these dudes appart from piednoir and azteca!!!!

[dkwookie]

i dont think ive had the pleasure of flying with these dudes appart from piednoir and azteca!!!!

Azteca is not a cheesy player as far as I am concerned. He gets personal and makes a point of not bailing sometimes but he is pretty fair. He is a lot less of a nuisance in realistic where his hurricane is outmatched by the spits.
Piednoir also seems like a good player to me too.

There's one player though who constantly sings "bad to the bone" over the mic. It's phycological torture on par with self bombing and on more than one occasion led me to get the iPod out

[Gilly]

Agree Piednoirs ok, admittedly doesn't bail but decent guy.
Azteca....no comment!!!

[scottyvt4]

ive flow with peid a few times .................. as above decent dude have heard others moan .............. hence the name drop lol!!!



Azteca made my life a misery on arcade so its nice to get some retrebution(sp) lmao

[Gilly]

Spoke with him last night Scotty after he messaged me about this thread. It's just been a language thing and not deliberate like some others. It is now not an issue......just keep an eye on your six!!!!!

[Gilly]

Stilton tactic of the weekend: watching some complete twat rocket his own team in a team battle just because in his words 'i love seeing that b17 go up with rockets'. What a primo cock

[winny]

Yep.. that's a good one.. Didn't the thought occur to him that he should probably be on the team opposite the 17's if he likes exploding them so much..?

That's feta.. stinky feta.

[dkwookie]

Stilton and feta are classy cheeses, this sounds more like Kraft processed cheese slices tactic

In the words of Alfred the butler "some men just want to see the world burn"

[JOED70]

HAhaha
Exactly and as long as you insist on using a B17 in team battles or dog fights .Between auto guners and fact that you more often then not will crash once you become to damaged thus stealing a kill for who ever pumped you full of holes I will rocket you or crash into you . It only makes it more sweet if you happen to be on my "team". Leave the B17 for Strike or CTA . Simple really if not eat rockets .

[JOED70]

Yep.. that's a good one.. Didn't the thought occur to him that he should probably be on the team opposite the 17's if he likes exploding them so much..?

That's feta.. stinky feta.

Stinky feta is allway flying the B17 in Dog fights and Team Battles .

Mail order Goat and her Sheep screwing mates .

[JOED70]

Stilton tactic of the weekend: watching some complete twat rocket his own team in a team battle just because in his words 'i love seeing that b17 go up with rockets'. What a primo cock

Why was the Twat flying a B17 in a team battle for ???

Oh its only wrong if some one else dose it . I think the syphillis from the sheep has rotted some ones brain

[winny]

Stinky feta is allway flying the B17 in Dog fights and Team Battles .

Mail order Goat and her Sheep screwing mates .

I kinda agree that B-17's in dogfights are a waste of everyones time.. But shooting them down when they are on your own side isn't exactly fair.

Of all the people to do it to tho.. Expect your inbox to be very full very soon.. she bites. (I know this from bitter experience)

I've never shagged a sheep.

They are too hard to catch.

[McQ59]

Here we go again...

Shit!

Bailing... Yeeehaaa!

[Davedog74]

aah sheep rodeo,a good pair of trainers winny,and some velcro gloves,then its hold tight,here we go,yeeehaaaa

[McQ59]

LOL!

Ride'm guys!

[dkwookie]

aah sheep rodeo,a good pair of trainers winny,and some velcro gloves,then its hold tight,here we go,yeeehaaaa

Too much like hard work. I hear bo peep is easy

[Gilly]

HAhaha
Exactly and as long as you insist on using a B17 in team battles or dog fights .Between auto guners and fact that you more often then not will crash once you become to damaged thus stealing a kill for who ever pumped you full of holes I will rocket you or crash into you . It only makes it more sweet if you happen to be on my "team". Leave the B17 for Strike or CTA . Simple really if not eat rockets .

Before you accuse others JoeD learn how to bail yourself. You only, as you put it 'stole' 5 kills from me, 3 from Bad and a couple from McQ yesterday during your little rocket powered wankfest

[Zatoichi_Sanjuro]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9DplgzkrCo#t=1m06s

I bet Heinz Knoke is glad he never got demented messages sent to him like "LISTEN NUMBNUTS LOOSER!!! YOU ARENT ALLOWED USE ROCKETS LOOSER!!"

[Gilly]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9DplgzkrCo#t=1m06s

I bet Heinz Knoke is glad he never got demented messages sent to him like "LISTEN NUMBNUTS LOOSER!!! YOU ARENT ALLOWED USE ROCKETS LOOSER!!"

Did ol' Heinzy boy shoot down his own side??

If only you were as good in the air JoeD as you are at abusing people....

[Zatoichi_Sanjuro]

Did ol' Heinzy boy shoot down his own side??

Was I implying he did?

[f1rebrand]

Haven't missed much by the look of things then. Who's saddling up on Friday?

RDR T-4

[winny]

Awesome.. Another Rockets, B-17's and ANGRY CAPS fest.

Anyway f**k all of that... Where do I get me some Velcro gloves in hurry.

Bo-peep is all mouth.

[JOED70]

Before you accuse others JoeD learn how to bail yourself. You only, as you put it 'stole' 5 kills from me, 3 from Bad and a couple from McQ yesterday during your little rocket powered wankfest

Yha right Like I said Sheep Screw'n has led to syliphis rotten brain .

you Gilly I will never ever bail 4 because you are bigest hypocyrt in this comunity . Simple

BTW if my wheels come down it means Im bailing Have to press 3 buttons to bail one of them is select thus landing gear means a bail or at least an attempt

Only thing better then rocketing Branko is slaming the rockets into the nose or your spit as you try despertly to save the Cheating Mail order goat who is on the other team by the way . So save me your rightious indignation Like I said every thing is fine unless its done 2 you . I Have watched you fly a cripled plane for ever many many times . So shut the hell up about bailing. You just like to try and brow beat ppl to do something you and your sheep molosting playmates never do .

As for MCq and Badto bone .

If they have a problem with me let them bring it up .

[Shadowcorp]

Friendly fire is bad, no matter who it's against. It's something i've been guilty for in the past and something i do regret.
As far as bailing goes i only bail for guys whom i know bail, guess that puts you off that list JOED?
Rockets i enjoy using them myself but not on a team mate thats pure childishness.
Thats my opinion you don't have to agree thats the joy of an opinion

[Gilly]

Yha right Like I said Sheep Screw'n has led to syliphis rotten brain .

you Gilly I will never ever bail 4 because you are bigest hypocyrt in this comunity . Simple

Only thing better then rocketing Branko is slaming the rockets into the nose or your spit as you try despertly to save the Cheating Mail order goat who is on the other team by the way . So save me your rightious indignation Like I said every thing is fine unless its done 2 you . I Have watched you fly a cripled plane for ever many many times .

As for MCq and Badto bone .

If they have a problem with me let them bring it up .

Don't bail for me Sir, by stating here so publicly that you won't only serves to demonstrate what a child you really are.
And if managing two head on kills on me with your cockets is what gets you off Sir, then fill your boots. Just a shame you don't mention the amount of times you 'crashed' to balance up your cocket killfest.
I'll converse with you via my MkIV from now on......

[Gilly]

Was I implying he did?


I wasn't suggesting you did at all. I was merely posing a rhetorical question after observing what I had over the weekend.

[McQ59]

Friendly fire is bad, no matter who it's against. It's something i've been guilty for in the past and something i do regret.
As far as bailing goes i only bail for guys whom i know bail, guess that puts you off that list JOED?
Rockets i enjoy using them myself but not on a team mate thats pure childishness.
Thats my opinion you don't have to agree thats the joy of an opinion


Well stated Shadowcorp.

I second that.

[Gilly]

Stinky feta is allway flying the B17 in Dog fights and Team Battles .

Mail order Goat and her Sheep screwing mates .

Feta hypocrite maximus, what's that I see ahead....in a team battle no less
http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad256/paulcgill/52a9a2db.jpg

[dkwookie]

Scrap the bomb run, this seems more appropriate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOyQBSMeIhM

[sloppy_clock]

I've just had a read through this thread, thought I'd share my own thoughts on this.

Rockets in dogfights, not cheese tactics, they are hard to aim, unpredictable and unless your quite literately close enough to lick someones tail, unlikely to hit unless used in head-on.
Any moron that is stupid enough to go for a direct head-on against any war bird without using the rudder to angle their own plane deserves a rocket to the face.

Using a B-17 is indeed unfair. But then using this forum as a flaming tool and a basis to insult people from is not exactly good form either. Especially the above couple of posts. If someone is using a B-17 you will be able to see it in the game lobby, change your plane, change your weapons, change your tactics.

Bailing or quitting is bad, quite clearly. Getting angry and abusive at other players during a game because of this, is also bad.

I'm done.

[bobbysocks]

new forum rules. all disputes will be decided by fish at 10 paces.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y1s&feature=related

who wants cheese when you can have chocolates....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy6uLfermPU

[Shadowcorp]

branko people are allowed to use rockets in BoP, its not the second world war; it's a computer game that includes aircraft that carry bombs and rockets, as such people are allowed to utilise whatever aircraft and load out they wish rockets and in your case turret gun bombers that need a rocket strike to take them out. At least rockets are forward firing.
I hit a fighter at 1600 ft with a rocket yesturday so it is possible albeit hard to do.
I hope that this thread gets shut down as i'm sick of irrational attacks on the use of rockets in what is very clearly a computer game and not world war 2.

[dkwookie]

branko people are allowed to use rockets in BoP, its not the second world war; it's a computer game that includes aircraft that carry bombs and rockets, as such people are allowed to utilise whatever aircraft and load out they wish rockets and in your case turret gun bombers that need a rocket strike to take them out. At least rockets are forward firing.
I hit a fighter at 1600 ft with a rocket yesturday so it is possible albeit hard to do.
I hope that this thread gets shut down as i'm sick of irrational attacks on the use of rockets in what is very clearly a computer game and not world war 2.

I just cant agree here. If I realise someone is on my tail in a fight and they are using guns, I have a chance to evade and engage in a dogfight with him. With rockets more often than not the first you know they are on your tail is when you explode. No chance of engaging, no chance of evading, just instant death. Same with a head on run. If its two planes with guns it becomes a joust, with one plane carrying rockets it becomes the charge of the light brigade.

If someone is in a bomber I don't need to worry about them sneaking up behind and getting an instant kill or I can choose to ignore the bomber if I wish. If I want to engage the bomber I wont attack it from its 6, I will use a high energy dive on its roof.

[KAV]

This game has several options.
One of them is to join a game session, or not.
Before one choose to join a game session, one has to join a lobby.
Attending the lobby, one can see the settings for the session and other players who has joined the session.
If the settings for the session, or the players are not to your likings, one have the option to leave the game.

For those who are not able to either hear or read messages of sessions settings, or in other ways insist to obstruct other players private sessions and games, please stop doing so.
To those who has issues with other gamers, stop joining their games.

Fly in peace, and enjoy BoP.

[Gilly]

I just wish to state that I do not have any issue with rockets per se. If rockets are your bag then get stuck in. What I do have an issue with, and why I originally posted, was the team killing. All this served to demonstrate was the fact that the player firing them had serious issues to want to shoot team mates. I deliberately did not name names in my original post as I just wished to gauge opinion as to what I had observed. Sadly though it got blown out of propotion and led to myself and many other players recieving abuse from the player involved. All this leads me to believe that there are issues outside of this game that perhaps they need to deal with. I would never consider lowering myself to that level and personally abusing them on this forum as most, save for one, are decent, respectful players of the game. I'll do my talking in the air.

I would also like to invite any player who has any issue with me to here and now state as such. I personally believe I try and play this game within the spirit in which it is meant but I have been called a hypocrite by one particular player and would like to know if indeed this is the case or whether it's just sour grapes. I am aware of many of your thoughts already as you have emailed me or messaged me via the psn network and I appreciate your honesty and comments.
Thanks,
a rather pissed off Gilly

[dkwookie]

Gilly in all the games I have played with you I have never seen anything to suggest you are anything but a fair and valued player.

To me these arguments flair up due to the shrinking community. We have fewer targets and kill each other multiple times per match, which leads to frustration as we are all vets and some don't like being shot. We take the game perhaps more seriously than we should but that's because we love the game and it's subject matter.

I don't agree with rockets air to air use, some don't mind. The game let's them be used for air to air so as has been said, if players want to use them so be it.
But these fall outs always seem to stem from rocket use. I havnt seen any arguments amongst players about being gunned down

[winny]

Rockets.. Not bothered one way or another. I don't use them in D,TB or CTA.

My main problem with BoP online at the moment is the Bailing issue.

I've been in games where members of this forum (some on my friends list) have basically bullied people into bailing. 'If you don't bail me and my mates will f**kin kill you' type shit. Not my thing. At the end of the day you can't police a game. Everyone on here is more than capable of holding thier own in the air.

If you wanna single someone out for not bailing then that's up to you . I just don't like the verbal.

The rejection of individualism is fascism.

I'm off to go and try and raise £220 because my F'in PS3 has f'in YLOD'd again.. I have a copy of Red Dead waiting for me too. Bugger.

[JOED70]

Feta hypocrite maximus, what's that I see ahead....in a team battle no less
http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad256/paulcgill/52a9a2db.jpg

See its no fun if some else dose it my point exactly . But what I remember from that match is Gilly Crash Gilly, crash Gilly Crash, Gilly Crash . Even though it was my poor slaughtered teammates that were doing the shooting at them .

Oh branko as for the no auto gunners the reason I team killed you was a wanted to test your gunnery skills 3 times you could not even hit me . So sorry you blind old bat . take way target lock and auto gunners and you aint got shit .

[sloppy_clock]

JOED, compare to you, these guy's have HELPED & TEACHED me a lot with my first game ever :!:

Since September'09 i have seen countless "BLUBBERMOUTH'S" coming and going, but these fine guy's and ME we are still here, cause we love vintage warbirds and we dont care about some "EGO RANKING POSITIONS" or any of those worthless awards we get here :!:

JOED, whatever went wrong with you in the woods there is no excuse for your actions, not here or at the game :!:

Branko,

As I said in another thread you are using and riling up this community. I have been here since the start and being honest, we have never had a thread like this before, and never had people type like this before. You cannot talk about not caring about ego ranking positions and then come onto this forum and spread your word of hating around on this thread and others. There is no excuse for your actions here, you are acting like a young child that is intent on causing mischief.
If you are unhappy with how people play, keep it to yourself and do not degrade this forum by using it as a platform to slur others. People like yourself will ruin the online community by getting angry and causing trouble on the forum and in the game, while most of us can just chuckle about the tactics that others use.

All in all Branko, please, grow up a little.

[Gilly]

See its no fun if some else dose it my point exactly . But what I remember from that match is Gilly Crash Gilly, crash Gilly Crash, Gilly Crash . Even though it was my poor slaughtered teammates that were doing the shooting at them .

Oh branko as for the no auto gunners the reason I team killed you was a wanted to test your gunnery skills 3 times you could not even hit me . So sorry you blind old bat . take way target lock and auto gunners and you aint got shit .

I believe the only actual crash during the above game was when you managed to shoot me down in your B17 and the wreckage hit your plane causing you to crash. But as I took screen dumps everytime either you or I died it will be an easy thing to post them all on here. There is one admittedly when I did bail and it showed as a crash but I have the spit in a screenshot showing it still in the air with the tag underneath as I expected you to call foul. I also have them for the cta game previous where you team killed kav with your P47 cockets. You wanna play like a dick....let's go

[JOED70]

Lets see them I know for a fact that you crashed at least 4 times and I made a point of staying away from the frey at that point . You never crashed into me . I must comend you on on the left front quater passes though they were very effective against the B17 2 out of 3 times resulted in engine destroyed in pass . As for the team kill against Kav in CTA that was not a rocket it was a bomb drop meant for the Il2 that was pulling up behind him.
Accidents due happen . but once again if Kav has an issue with it let him speak to it .

As for Auto gunners on B17 testing I have done in training result in this realistic.

One B17 12 Bf109-g6
on easy 1 b17 death = 7-8 109's
on hard 1 b17 death =4-6 109's
on expert 1 b17 death = 3-4 109's

All with little or no effort on the players part .

[JOED70]

Yha what ever i dont care about wining it has no effect on me one way or other . But your bullshit excusess for what is by far the bigest exploit( cheat) in the game . Have been exposed . Once again how come if yours such an expert could you not hit me at all with out target lock or auto gunners.

Now go back to stealing candy from kids or pulling the wings off insecets .

I bet the only way you can have any enjoyment at all is if a machine dose the work for you now go change the batteries in your vibrator.

[JOED70]

Your still oblivious to the point that Its You !!!!!! that is the problem .

BTW in the post about rocket use aginst bombers I was specificly referning to a strike serriies that I would be hosting for people who need to unlock aircraft or weapons .

Think ive been pretty constitant with fly a bomber in Team Battle or Dogfight

And be prepared to eat rockets .

As for so called teamkilling Shooting you down is not teamkilling .

As for me flying the the B17 in "1 " team battle yesterday It was done purely for the effect i knew it would have . Like I said befor only when some one else other then the livestock fornicators is it wrong.

I would never have a cheating lazy bullshiter on my team .
I was simplly takeing out the trash. I knew it would result in you running away screaming rockets no fair !!!!!! Now my flying automatic pillbox cheat is useless .

Still no answer about why you could not hit me if you have such skill 3 times I flamed you with out you even getting a hit .

So much skill that you can only fly something that dose all the work for you .

But so typical for a mail order bride been a parasite your whole life . Let some else do the work and Ill just con them out of thier rewards .

Btw I have never ever said I was Super skilled at this VIDEO GAME!!! or any other for that matter.

What I do state is that Im 1 Honest , 2 Fair ... Fair .. Fair ..

[JOED70]

Holy bucket, i had no idea he did this to "KAV" too !!!

Read you stupid cow or ar you too lazy for that as well I said it was a bomb drop that acidently hit Kav . Besides if kav has any issues let him bring them up . Once again finger pointing only when it is some one else . Why dont you give all this up and go back to scouring the internet dateing sites looking for the poor old next fool with one foot in the grave so you can steal his childrens inheritance . It is after all what you specialize in .

Oh btw Still waiting for the screen shots . That dont exist beacuse if they did they would show Gilly Crash Gilly Crash Gilly crash .

[bobbysocks]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IU1bzZheWk

[bobbysocks]

Do you get e-mail/posting rage?
By Nance Guilmartin, CareerBuilder.com
May 3, 2010 -- Updated 1312 GMT (2112 HKT)

When was the last time you were driving down the digital highway and felt like you were shot by words?

It happens without warning. You're scanning e-mails or a posting and suddenly you're triggered by someone's words or a tone you sense -- or even see; the e-mail/post is filled with "ALL CAPS" or "Exclamation points!!!" or bold formatting.

Or, here's another hot button: You're in the midst of a public "drive by" e-mail attack, where out of the blue, someone writes an e-mail (without speaking to you first to check their assumptions) and reacts to something you said in a meeting or that you wrote or did. When you see the long list of CC-ed recipients you become furious and shoot back your own defense or offense.

Why does this happen?

Today we're more wired to snap -- especially when using computer keyboards. There's even a physiological trigger pulling us into e-mail shootouts; it's called "e-mail apnea."

Thought leader Linda Stone, formerly of Microsoft and Apple computers, coined the phrase after researching a phenomenon she observed while people were under the influence of computing. The urge to quickly react (without considering what you or they may have misunderstood) can affect you -- whether you are the person sending the initial e-mail or the one who receives it.

Stone noticed we hold our breath while cranking out e-mails and doctors confirmed her suspicions. When we hold our breath, the brain is momentarily oxygen deprived and hits the flight or fight response, fueling a more emotional reaction to the words shooting out of our fingers.

What can seem like innocent or understandable venting can cost you your job, damage your reputation and crater your chances for promotion. According to a recent USA Today article by Laura Petrecca, 26 percent of the nearly 600 companies participating in a 2009 Electronic Business Communications Politics and Procedures Survey said they'd fired an employee for e-mail misuse.

What can you do to avoid getting caught up in a drive-by e-mail? Here are five ways to make a U-turn when the inevitable "missed understanding" happens.

Before you fire off that e-mail, try these tips:

Back away from the computer

Resisting the urge to just "let someone have it" is a sign of self-control and adds points to your reputation. You also raise what I call your "CQ score" of communication intelligence by responding versus reacting.

We all need to vent, and e-mail is an instant venting machine. Just don't set yourself up to be fired by what you write when you're fired up about something. Write it, delete it or park it in your draft box.

Vent offline

Ask someone to (confidentially) give you perspective that you can't see when you're blindsided or when you're positive you're right and someone else is wrong. You might be right and win the battle but lose the war. The damage, however, isn't easily undone once you hit the send button.

Give people the benefit of the doubt

We often assume we know what someone meant or intended. I call that "assumitis." Instead, rephrase it (in person or via e-mail) using your own words. For example, "It sounds like what you are saying..." or "Let me see if I follow what seems to be the problem here." You'll learn more and increase your CQ as well as your ability to be more responsive and less reactive by surfacing what's between the lines (without instantly explaining or defending yourself).

Adopt a get curious outlook

Ask, "What am I really reacting to? What's driving the other person to do this?" Then call or go see them in person. Begin by appreciating how easy it is to be misunderstood. Acknowledge that aggravations can pile up and trigger an e-mail volley that leaves a trail that can cost you both long after you wished you'd paused to ask yourself, "What don't I know I don't know?"

You're more valuable to your clients and your company when your high CQ skills turn you into a problem solver and time saver in a world where time and relationships are priceless.

[bobbysocks]

my dear if your german needs work. may i suggest google translate or rosetta stone. however, no one should get upset over posts and threads. i am certain everyone can come together and in an intelligent way work out thier differences. after all we are intelligent and rational beings. miscommunication is the #1 reason for arguments and factioning. i just want eveyone to get along do you?

[bobbysocks]

well please excuse me but i am a part of this community and i share in its problems and resolutions. this thread is on "CheeseTactics" and is not specifically for PS3. so as an open forum i can contribute. who cast the first stone is not as important as who casts the first olive branch. dont you agree? to put aside our feeling in the scope of making it a better place...and appreciating eveyone's differences. i know you want this too. to argue is silly.

and your german...what you quoted me was "lick me where the sun never seems!" i know english isnt your first language but the saying should be "Kiss me where the sun does not shine!" or in duetsch... "Kiss mich wo die Sonne nicht scheint!" the way you said it sounds goofy...

[trk29]

Please quit with the criticism.