realistic rookie

[siteseeker]

i'm an okay pilot in arcade and will fly against or with anyone anytime... been shot down buy the best and have shot down some of the best... except dk... might have got gilly once :grin:

but as i read in another thread, it seems players are scarce and if i get an invite and i'm not in a game i'll usually join...

i accepted one a while ago and it turned out to be a realistic game and oh my what a difference. i had never played real online before. needless to say i had my ass handed to me and have ever since... my hands are full and i can't hold anymore!!! LOL

anyway... i don't mind realistic and have got to the point where i can land the Hurricane quite readily in CTA... but i just can't get a handle on flying... STALL STALL STALL... WTF... even pulling a semi tight turn @ 90 percent throttle.... STALL.... Spin... burn...

i have quite a bit of fun trying though

after all that... here's my point... i tell the guys in the lobby that i am totally a rookie pilot in real and i just get shredded by these guys. i'm not complaining about getting killed but i am complaining that there are other folks in the game who would be more of a challenge to shoot down than me.

i know it happens in all modes of the game and have seen it in arcade countless times... but come on... i know when i see a rookie i don't continue to pound on him and i even will let him get some kills to help his ego and keep him playing...

there... i feel better having said that ;)

[McQ59]

I get your point siteseeker. For a lot of guys it's only about getting the kills. I have had many a sigh to myself playing realitic to; 'Give me a break here guys! I might keep on trying to learn how to fly this motherf*#%er and play this mode, if you only could stop shooting me down as soon as I have respawned!'

Arcade is not a challenge any more. Realistic could be. Even SIM could, but I think it's vital to give the rookies a chance to get a grip on it. Or else the new pilots will get theire morale crashed, and they'll abandon the game completely.

A little tip for starters... Adjust the ailerons and elevators sensitivity down a few notches. That should help on the stallingfrequense. And ignore the stallingwarning.

[KAV]

i'm an okay pilot in arcade and will fly against or with anyone anytime... been shot down buy the best and have shot down some of the best... except dk... might have got gilly once :grin:

but as i read in another thread, it seems players are scarce and if i get an invite and i'm not in a game i'll usually join...

i accepted one a while ago and it turned out to be a realistic game and oh my what a difference. i had never played real online before. needless to say i had my ass handed to me and have ever since... my hands are full and i can't hold anymore!!! LOL

anyway... i don't mind realistic and have got to the point where i can land the Hurricane quite readily in CTA... but i just can't get a handle on flying... STALL STALL STALL... WTF... even pulling a semi tight turn @ 90 percent throttle.... STALL.... Spin... burn...

i have quite a bit of fun trying though

after all that... here's my point... i tell the guys in the lobby that i am totally a rookie pilot in real and i just get shredded by these guys. i'm not complaining about getting killed but i am complaining that there are other folks in the game who would be more of a challenge to shoot down than me.

i know it happens in all modes of the game and have seen it in arcade countless times... but come on... i know when i see a rookie i don't continue to pound on him and i even will let him get some kills to help his ego and keep him playing...

there... i feel better having said that ;)


PS
Dont forget to play with different ailrons and elevator settings.........
This makes a huge differnce in realistic and especially sim.

[winny]

The general opinion about ailerons/elevators settings on Spitfires seems to be, leave ailerons on full and set the elevators six clicks from the right, all the other planes you'd need to play around with. Try flying one of the LA series as they are pretty forgiving.

Also try to be gentle with your initial movements, if you wanna pull up hard dont just pull straight back, start slowly then pull through, the stall warning is almost constant in dogfights but the plane will start to behave differently just before it stalls properly which should give you a second to try and get some airspeed back. Also try not to use the rudder too much, just a dab here and there.

It's trial and error at first but you can soon work out what works and what kills you. (in between all the respawning...:grin:)

[Gilly]

Stick with it siteseeker, for me it clicked pretty early and once you've got it its considerably more rewarding than arcade. McQ and winny are both right in what they say about 'handling'. Set the sensitivity low and then move progressively upwards until you find the right balance. Your still going to fall out of the sky every once in a while( especially when a G6 has just put a huge hole in your wing, not mentioning any names McQ, winny, shadow, ratman..!!) but you'll find that the stall warning is more an annoyance blocking your view than a 'panic, it's going to drop'.
I'd suggest doing winnys race course as a good practice point. It helps you learn to turn and fly without the bullets on the outward leg and then firing practice on the return all under 'controlled' conditions. Drop me a line and I'll happily join you, similarly I'm happy to provide a 'target' to practice with. Most of the guys on here are on most nights and would hope most would do the same.
Rest assured, we all had to start somewhere and go through the same pain, and still do, but stick with it and it'll come

[TRC Subaru]

I am very sorry to hear about this.

We have so few people now who fly BoP that we can not afford to lose anyone.

I am sure this is the case on both PS3 and XBOX.

The guys I fly with on XBOX often try to beak up teams so there will be a good and fair match (it is really no fun when it gets very lop-sided). Occasionally we want to fly together and because most are Aces now it may become unfair, so we try not to do that too often. There seem to be a lot of new and very good pilots on lately so it has been a sort of “free for all” in many rooms. Send me a FR and we will try to get you into a well matched dogfight.

And please tell all who come over from Arcade to adjust there Elevator settings to approximately:

Spitfire: Halfway (center of graph)

109’s: 4-5 “blocks” down

LA’s (5&7): 2-3 “blocks” down

Ailerons may remain full.

Start with these settings and adjust to your flying style, if you start to stall a lot bring the elevators down a little, if you never stall bring them up a little.

We are here to help, and we want all who fly to have a good time!

TRC Subaru

[f1rebrand]

Invite me Siteseeker for some CTA or Strike shenanigans on Realistic or Sim. I'm learnin too.

[McKinneyJD]

after all that... here's my point... i tell the guys in the lobby that i am totally a rookie pilot in real and i just get shredded by these guys. i'm not complaining about getting killed but i am complaining that there are other folks in the game who would be more of a challenge to shoot down than me.

There is usually a good group of realistic folks (Davedog, ChameleonLord, etc) on in the evenings. Often we'll play smaller games, so they would be good to learn on. Also, Winny's idea of joining up on some of the none shooting events, such as DK's races or free flights, would greatly help you on seat time to control the aircraft in realistic.

In any case, look for me. I'll gladly oblige by flying a bf-110 around as a darling target until you get your realistic bearings.

[Kidrock40]

SITES I'm on your friends list on PSN send me a message or invite I will be happy to be a "target" for you while you get your wings wet Chameleon was my mentor great guy and Davedog and McKinney give me ring - Kidrock40

[Gilly]

I'd suggest we get a 'free session' set up where anyone who wants to just have a free fly, get to know the aircraft etc without the 'pressure' of dogfighting. There's the best I know replying above and any of them will teach you a great deal. I invited Branko into her first realistic game earlier and she's stated how great she found it! Pick a plane and stick to it, learn it's strengths and you'll soon be downing the best of them!

[Chowbird2]

Siteseeker, one thing I did that was really beneficial was go to the single player tutorial section and set up a session for yourself in whatever plane you like. Set the mission to Realistic. Set up the fight against 10 or so enemies and put them on rookie mode. Here you can play with elevator and aileron settings and also practice shooting the buggers down. See you out there.

Chowbird

[Shadowcorp]

I'd suggest we get a 'free session' set up where anyone who wants to just have a free fly, get to know the aircraft etc without the 'pressure' of dogfighting. There's the best I know replying above and any of them will teach you a great deal. I invited Branko into her first realistic game earlier and she's stated how great she found it! Pick a plane and stick to it, learn it's strengths and you'll soon be downing the best of them!
+1

i'll help realistic mode has been a pleasant suprise for me and, i'll volunteer my ass to be shot down so others can enjoy it as much as i've been.. but seriously guys i know from experience in realistic you need to get an affinity with a type or model of aircraft...... every time i fly that mc202 despite it's good points, i'm still just a smallish bright orange target! When i'm in a 109 it can get painful

[Robotic Pope]

I never understand why people say lower your aileron sensitivity? Yes lower the elevator sensitivity but always leave the ailerons at maximum. Roll rate is the most important thing and you don't want to be slowing that down (lowering ailerons doesn't help you stop stalling anyway).

If you want to change the elevator sens. you will need to find the "sweet spot" for each different plane to get the best turning the plane can do. They are very different, If you set up your sens. for say a I-16 (under half), then the next match fly a 109 of La you will have terrible turning performance if you don't remember right at the start of the match to set a 109/la level (almost max)

Oh and when you play arcade again remember to set it at max again.

[BRIGGBOY]

leave ailerons at the top for all planes they dont make any difference for the hurricane
turn the elevators down 5 notches from the top

[Dawglucky]

Glad to see there are some guys willing to help out us rookies :grin:thanks guys hope to see in the skies ps3 user tc

[siteseeker]

wooo hoooooo got my first kill in Realistic tonight.. granted i was being taught by several good vets =)

thanks guys!!!!!!! lot of fun in that session!!!!!!

[McQ59]

Great siteseeker!
Happy to see u are codecracking in realistic. It'll be big fun to have u in squad!

[Gilly]

wooo hoooooo got my first kill in Realistic tonight.. granted i was being taught by several good vets =)

thanks guys!!!!!!! lot of fun in that session!!!!!!

Nice one siteseeker and good to see your sticking with it. Most of us regulars are on every night 7-11(plus that one last game!) gmt and anyones welcome to join us to either just fly or get stuck in and try dogfighting. I personally am really enjoying it and find the more time I put in the better I'm becomming. I'll second the advice that sticking to one plane is the best approach. My mkII spit may not be the fastest or best turning plane in the game but I've got to know it through and through and will happily go up against anything in it confidently that I'm in with a chance.

[siteseeker]

took Brig suggestion on the settings and seems to work pretty good... also took another posters sugestion and used the LA7 which seemed to work pretty good for me while learning.

in realistic there must be a damage model or something... took a couple of hits and could get the plane to turn or bank... i also managed to get my up close shot lined up and 2 or 3 shots before the big red RELOADING came on.... ARRGH!!! =)

it certainly is a new lease on the game!!!!!

[Gilly]

took Brig suggestion on the settings and seems to work pretty good... also took another posters sugestion and used the LA7 which seemed to work pretty good for me while learning.

in realistic there must be a damage model or something... took a couple of hits and could get the plane to turn or bank... i also managed to get my up close shot lined up and 2 or 3 shots before the big red RELOADING came on.... ARRGH!!! =)

it certainly is a new lease on the game!!!!!

The damage model is different from arcade. You can put a plane down by just destroying the wings or control surfaces. It's were the 'bail out' argument comes in in that it's better to bail and credit the shooter rather than fall 3000ft and just crash. This is especially true in limited ammo games where rather than totally destroy an aircraft it's better to just fatally wound someone and then move onto the next target rather than use up all your ammo 'blowing' them out of the sky. Just a pity everyone doesn't follow this gentlemans rule and will just keep crashing. Pity there isn't a crash and youre out of the game, bail and you fly again rule in the online game as this would elivate this. That said the guys I play with will bail if crtically wounded and anyone who doesn't tends to get singled out! It's simple, I'll happily bail for anyone who damages me beyond control but will subsequently crash if it isn't returned when they're shot down. And in real life, would they really die with their plane... Don't think so!

[f1rebrand]

Ah I see what you mean now Gilly. I was only picking up snippets of this on the headset last night.

[siteseeker]

agreed Gilly... played like that last night.... however, it seemed like most of the action took place below 2000 ft.... things happen quick for sure... when i had someone on my tail i just climbed as it seems altitude is a good friend to have when pulling defensive manuvers =)

[McQ59]

agreed Gilly... played like that last night.... however, it seemed like most of the action took place below 2000 ft.... things happen quick for sure... when i had someone on my tail i just climbed as it seems altitude is a good friend to have when pulling defensive manuvers =)

I second that siteseeker. Deeply! Or should I say Highly...

The bailing out option get so much more realistic when the fights take place higher than 1000 feet above the ground. I gladly grant my oponent the kill and bail out, if I only could manage to push the right buttons in time! In addition I think it looks cool when the pilot gets out of the cockpit and his shute opens. And like Gilly I think it's more like the actual pilots too rather would bail out than dedicate them selves to Old Godfather Gravity and meet Mother Earth in a frenzy of flames...

An other thing is the fact that I usually uses the G-6, and it really likes a bit of air between it and the deck. The games get so much more fun and interesting too when u have the possibility to roll, turn and do some evasive manouvers.

Respect to the bailers.