trap medal

[impy]

just out of curiosity - how quickly can you achieve trap medal III?
in my current game - no loss dwarf paladin, and i wasn't heavily concentrating on it, i got it after fight 27. excluding 2 training fights, it was after 25 fights, averaging 4/battle. :cool:

[TemjinGold]

With 2 training fights, my latest mage got it after fight 23.

[jake21]

How do you acquire and learn the trap skill for the training fights ? Is this by design or luck? Vaguely I though it took a level or two just to learn distortion spells.

With 2 training fights, my latest mage got it after fight 23.

[Metathron]

I think they mean they got the trapper skill by fight x, not counting the first two fights (training).

[TemjinGold]

I think they mean they got the trapper skill by fight x, not counting the first two fights (training).

Yep, Meta got it. I meant the fight count was 23 counting the 2 fights in training.

[impy]

I suppose the quickest way would go like this:

1) make sure trap spell appears during the training. Then you can use it during last fight. There are always 3 enemy troops, with royal thorn unmovable, and its summons do not count, so that's 2 troops trapped.
2) once in debir, do hell of lot of kiting, until let's say you reach level 20.
3) go for distorsion magic 3, lots of intellect and max out trap spell; also higher magic
3) with massive mana pool by then go trapping. you can venture far beoynd debir and pick enemies.
4) you want to encounter eniemes preferably split in many stacks on battlefield, in order to increase number of traped troops.
5) pick only walkers, great majority of flyers cannot be trapped.
6) if strong enough get 4 x 1 archmage + 1 x 5th level troop. Archmagi move stacks onto traps, Brutus does the fighting.
7) this way you can get maybe 5 traps per fight, so i guess absolute minimum lies around 20-21 fights in total

[jake21]

Oh. In my current paladin game on impossible I picked up the skill really early; not sure how early but it was before the first dozen fights (the spell was like the first treasure found). I thought you all were claiming to have the third medal by that fight.

Yep, Meta got it. I meant the fight count was 23 counting the 2 fights in training.

[impy]

jake, we are talking trap medal III = 100 trapped troops in minimum fights, not trap medal I.

[TemjinGold]

Yep. Not hard really. Just loot the first few islands (up to Bolo or Rusty), then pick fights with armies that have 5 walker stacks first. With enough patience and proper use of dragon, you can easily rack up 5 per fight. I messed one up, hence my battle count went to 23.

impy: No need for map kiting. You only need 25 mana to trap 5 stacks. The idea is to soften stacks with units/dragon before the trap lands the final blow. With early game fights, your spell doesn't need to do much damage.

[Starranger]

An other trick is to use stacks of 1 inquisitor. Make a trap in front of him, step forward (Kill and count) and resurrect it with other inquisitors or resurrection spell.

[Petwin]

You can also use the pet dragon ability Crushing Blow to move the enemy stacks onto the trap. Just be sure the pet dragon doesn't kill the stack.

I reached trap medal level III in 33 fights, including the training. I only kited Debir to acquire the Trap scroll and the map to Scarlet to get the Archmagi. I didn't use the (very clever) "Kill and ressurect your own Inquisitors"-technique that DGDobrev came up with.

With 3 stacks of 1 Inquisitor and 5 enemy stacks you can kill 8 stacks a fight, which makes it 13 fights (excluding training) to get to level III.

[Petwin]

Theoretically, you can acquire Trap level III in just 1 fight:

- Skip the training.
- Kite yourself to a decent level (you need a LOT of mana).
- Get and learn Trap and Phantom.
- Get 5 Inquisitors.
- Start a fight and kill off all enemies save one.
- Trap and kill you own stacks.
- Resurrect your stacks, and phantom to get extra resurrecting capability.

You need a LOT of mana:
- To kill 100 stacks you'll need 100 traps, that's 500 mana,
- 5 enemy stacks and 5 Inquisitor stacks times 2 makes 15 kills, so you need 85 phantoms times 15 mana is 1.275 mana.

So there you have it: with only a measly 1.775 mana you can get to Trap level III in just one fight. :)

[TemjinGold]

Summons don't count.

[ivra]

The summoned Inquisitor is not used to walk into a trap. It it used to ressurect one of your unfortunate original Inquisitor that just walked into a trap and died - that is it is ressurected only to walk into a new trap and die - what a wonderful life :-)

[Elias_Maluco]

2) once in debir, do hell of lot of kiting, until let's say you reach level 20.


What do you mean? How one could reach level 20 at Debir? After cleaning it up, Im usually level 6.

[TemjinGold]

By "do hell of lot of kiting."

[ivra]

What do you mean? How one could reach level 20 at Debir? After cleaning it up, Im usually level 6.

For kiting tips, take a look at this:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=13252

For quests that can be done without fighting, take a look at this:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=11214

[Elias_Maluco]

For kiting tips, take a look at this:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=13252

For quests that can be done without fighting, take a look at this:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=11214

Oh, thats what "kiting" means then. Got it

[lostkiwi]

Summons don't count.

Is that for your summons only, or enemy summons as well?

An easy way, if enemy summons do count, would be to leave one Royal Thorn alive in a battle. Every few rounds he will summon a stack - If that stack was a Warrior Thorn, you could easily kill them with a level 1 Trap.

[Petwin]

As TemjinGold alrealy said: summons don't count. Period. No friendly summons, no enemy summons.

But now I wonder: is a (friendly or enemy) stack of skeletons that emerges from a coffin on the battlefield summoned?

[jake21]

Ok in my current mage impossible game I reached trap medal level 3; no clue how many fights it took :) I think I was level 5 or 6 so probably a bit more than some of you. Level 13 now and need 2 more no loss fights to have all medal level iii ('cept orcs, fire arrow, heroes killed and dragons killed).

yea I know I should already have the no-loss medal up to III but I had a lot of 1 death fights I didn't feel like redoing. I suck. Hum. I guess it gets hard now.

Hum. No clue why but it hasn't gotten difficult (at level 24 now). Bit surprise that upping the medals a little made this big of a difference (previous mage on impossible game petered out at level 17; only slight different in medals - mostly 2's where this mage has 3s). Not sure if it is the medals or critters that loaded (this game has a tons of royal griffons AND demon(whatever that can summon demons) in Verona. Last game had crappy critter load - so either medals are everything or more likely the combination of the two.

Of course I'm not trying for no-loss.

[Harush]

It's funny, I just played an impossible mage game where I found 2 versions of the trap artifact, one in debir and one in rusty. I got trapping III by the 25th fight or so, and higher magic around level 8. So at level 8 I could open each fight with 7 traps on the board.