Aerial deathrace

[dkwookie]

Some of my favourite moments in bop are chasing a low flying oponent who makes a run for it. I was watching than new deathrace film with stratham and thought it would be cool to see if there would be any way to set up a race on bop. Something like 3 laps around a map.
Obviously it would be hard to mark the course so it would need to b pretty simple like up and down the coast on Britain or Sicily. I thought maybe someone could fly to each end and crash to mark the turns.
Anyone any thoughts? Or have I been drinking too much!

[mattmanB182]

What have you been drinking and how much?

[smacktooth]

sounds fun, add me xboxlive : smacktooth

[Spitfire23]

I like the idea :grin:

Good thinking on having someone crash to mark the course layout.

If any of this progresses, you can count on me to be there

[dkwookie]

I thought about this some more and realised you wouldnt be able to use guns because a crash would cause confusion on the markers and also the killed player could respawn anywhere.

[Gilly]

Why not do it as per rallying and have stages:
stage 1: manston to hawkinge
stage 2: hawkinge to Canterbury etc
that way you can still have your guns but you then have a staging point for re-assembly ready for the next stage?
Just a thought...

[haitch40]

yes i like the idea but include guns but if ur shot down or bail out you are classed as retired

[stealth finger]

we could race throgh beggars canyon and score some womp rats with our t-21's.

Seriously though does il2 have any decent "tracks" theres a perfect map in over g with its own version of beggars canyon we race down all the time. Haven't really seen anything syuitable in il2

[winny]

There's gotta be a course around dover.. Radar station, harbour entrance, dover castle, the cliffs.. All easily findable.

But without putting people down on the ground at the turning points it'd be wide open to abuse.

Personally I'm up for any kind of non combat flying across any of the modes.

[Pudgy (V)]

Why not play it in Capture Airfields with two airfields. The race would be whoever takes off from one and lands at the other the fastest.

[Gilly]

Well if you did it in strike you could use the targets as marker posts, out to the ships then north to first set and so on. Agree you need some sort of ref to adjudicate though or even 2 or 3 set around the track.
Winter in Stalingrad was my other thought as you could use the frozen river as a good starting point and then race off down the tributries even under bridges which could be used as marker points?

[f1rebrand]

How about a relay race between the three Kent airfields? Landing would pass the baton to your teammate to take off for the next airfield. Four teams of English, US, German and Russian fighters for example. You could still use the landmarks such as Dover Castle.

[f1rebrand]

Pudgy beat me to it.

[Spitfire23]

I like Gilly's idea of Winter over stalingrad. Although my only reservation is that it may be difficult to navigate.

However if anyone is willing to get online and scout around for some decent courses, i'd be willing to get online to help them out.

[dkwookie]

I love the relay with airfields idea. That could b great fun if it's a tight race.
I just scoped out winter in Stalingrad and it's perfect for a race. The river has two islands top n bottom. Small one at top and big one at bottom. Basically makes a nice big oval race track. I navigated it with ocassional references to map but it looks pretty easy to follow

[jkerr419]

I was thinking of mass drag races through Berlin using one of the many rivers as a race course. We pick a field next to the river as a starting point. Everyone land and form up there lining up so our take off starts the race.

For practice we could do a few dry runs in loose formation.... marking any critical turns with a crash...

[f1rebrand]

I was thinking of mass drag races through Berlin using one of the many rivers as a race course. We pick a field next to the river as a starting point. Everyone land and form up there lining up so our take off starts the race.

For practice we could do a few dry runs in loose formation.... marking any critical turns with a crash...

One particular river in Berlin is lined by buildings. This would make a great death star like trench run.

[dkwookie]

One particular river in Berlin is lined by buildings. This would make a great death star like trench run.

Just make sure you dont try eat tea while flying:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFPI54fOWoo

[f1rebrand]

Lol! ;)

[Gilly]

I like Gilly's idea of Winter over stalingrad. Although my only reservation is that it may be difficult to navigate.

However if anyone is willing to get online and scout around for some decent courses, i'd be willing to get online to help them out.

Was thinking along the lines of use the B17 to drop marker bombs along the circuit or at turns then put it down at the far end to make sure everyone makes the turns. It also serves as as a ground turret!!

[kozzm0]

You can actually fly pretty far off the map, and it will scroll along. It's possible to race at least 100 miles probably.

I once took a me262 and flew it to France from Dover. The terrain was all there, exactly modeled and everything. It finally repointed my plane back towards Britain just as I was about to cross the coastline.

Stalingrad is another good one you can fly all over the place, and best of all the cities are all clearly marked on the map, so you could designate cities in the northeast, southeast, etc as waypoints. Better yet, use gumrak airfield as a pit stop, where you have to land there, stop and takeoff again after each lap, with a 1 minute penalty for any crash. The british airfields are too easy, no haystacks.

[haitch40]

i have a good idea

do a 21 lap cicuit of kent (2 lap race thought id leave it up though to make you laugh)
dover to manston manston to canterbury canterbury to dover 2 lap race


and split it into classes

jets
fast prop planes (spit xiv la's,yaks, 109g10/k4)
med prop planes (spit II and IX, 109s up to g6, p47)
slow prop planes (hurri, il2, i16, i 153)
bombers
b17 only (this would be good)
and a po2 race

[Gilly]

Had a look at korsun yesterday as this has some good river valleys and larger arch type bridges. It's probably more suited to short sprint races but it's still quite good and maybe worth considering as a venue.

[haitch40]

oh btw going on my idea of if ur shot down or bail out you retire if you land at an airfield count it as a pitstop and allow the guy to bailout and continue with new plane

[siteseeker]

i like it... i would give it a go!!!!!!

[Gilly]

I think it's only fair we wait for wing commander dk to get back from his forced leave before we do this. Keep recon-ing though for potential circuits though.

[Gilly]

Well dk, McQ, devilis and myself had a good reccy and a few practice runs on the winter in Stalingrad map last night. We got a pretty good track mapped out that takes between 5 and 6 minutes to do a lap. I think what became obvious last night was the differences in performance of the different aircraft and this would therefore have to be addressed prior to the start of any race. we mulled the idea of having different races in the same type of aircraft as this then eliminates the performance issue. All in all I think we made some good progress and had a pretty good laugh along the way too.

[dkwookie]

Yeah that was good fun last night.

I think if we exclude the jets its a two horse race between the K4 and the TA 152. The K4 looks to do the lap in about 5 and half minutes and the TA about 5 minutes 15 or so. The problem with TA is you really have to slow it down for the corners. It turns like a dog.

I have drawn a rough map of the course we ran in Stalingrad Winter and attached. We were starting parked under the most northern tributary bridge, out into the main river and down a course we marked with crashes before the race. I have traced the route in red and put blue marks where you need to mark with a crash.

Sorry for the poor artwork but once you get on the map it doesnt take too much to work it out.

[haitch40]

Yeah that was good fun last night.

I think if we exclude the jets its a two horse race between the K4 and the TA 152. The K4 looks to do the lap in about 5 and half minutes and the TA about 5 minutes 15 or so. The problem with TA is you really have to slow it down for the corners. It turns like a dog.

I have drawn a rough map of the course we ran in Stalingrad Winter and attached. We were starting parked under the most northern tributary bridge, out into the main river and down a course we marked with crashes before the race. I have traced the route in red and put blue marks where you need to mark with a crash.

Sorry for the poor artwork but once you get on the map it doesnt take too much to work it out.

ehem the la7 has a good chance against a k4 and ta

[Gilly]

ehem the la7 has a good chance against a k4 and ta

Sadly not, was tested last night. Too slow accelerating and was left for dead on the straights! Would be perfectly suited to a more twisty track as it can really hold speed in the turns though but as I said totally left for dust last night down the river.

[Spitfire23]

nice, i'm liking the look of this.

Gonna see if i can find the course on the stalingrad map to give it a go.

Nice one guys *Thumbs up*

[Gilly]

nice, i'm liking the look of this.

Gonna see if i can find the course on the stalingrad map to give it a go.

Nice one guys *Thumbs up*

If you find the tributary on the main river just north of where it looks on the map that there is a bridge you'll find the start just along it under the bridge. From there on it's turn right down the river past Stalingrad, keep to the left fork where the river splits and then follow that until you have a real tight right back around and up the river. Not too difficult. I'll grab a screenshot of the map tonight and post it up if it helps! Will be interesting to see in action with 'equivilent' planes as last night was mainly testing different aircraft as well as creating 'gates' to fly through.

[haitch40]

try and find a good course with lots of tight turns in it
try the bulge a race down the river

[Spitfire23]

Cheers Gilly. much appreciated ;)

Also, i remember a post where someone suggested a race with Po-2's down those tight rivers in Berlin, So i was thinking with that one in berlin, it could be like a rally stage, where there are no laps, just a race from Point A to Point B.

Good idea also on grabbing a screenshot. if i find a descent course on berlin for the Po-2 (And you guys would like to take on this race) i will take a screenie and edit it

[Gilly]

try and find a good course with lots of tight turns in it
try the bulge a race down the river

We're working on it. Last nights was as said 'reccy' run to check feasibility which proved very successful hence us then trying a couple of timed runs and a subsequent trial run. We'll be looking through the other maps for tracks. Korsuns certainly on the board as there's also some nice arch bridges to contend with/ use as gates!!!
Berlin also a prime candidate as there are some nice narrow sections which re-create that 'trench run' effect.

[Gilly]

Map of circuit



http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad256/paulcgill/Picture1.jpg

Thought id also show how we marked the track using two plane crashes at either side of important junctions/ turns. these can then be seen from a good distance away

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad256/paulcgill/1.png

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad256/paulcgill/4.jpg

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad256/paulcgill/6.jpg

[haitch40]

Map of circuit



http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad256/paulcgill/Picture1.jpg

it looks like you overlapped 2 maps

[Gilly]

it looks like you overlapped 2 maps

Had to use two images as the map was so large and sadly when you switch to map it doesn't show it all on the ps3, hence me taking one image in the south, one in the north and then overlapping them ( I know there's duplication on the left!!) It shows the track as it should be though

[haitch40]

Had to use two images as the map was so large and sadly when you switch to map it doesn't show it all on the ps3, hence me taking one image in the south, one in the north and then overlapping them ( I know there's duplication on the left!!) It shows the track as it should be though

btw this is sim right? since most people in this will want it to be
although the outside camera veiw of realistic would make it more fun.

[f1rebrand]

What you going to call it? Star in a reasonably priced plane?

[haitch40]

What you going to call it? Star in a reasonably priced plane?

lol they are not very reasonably priced though
a spit now will cost 2mill if you can find one for sale

[Gilly]

What you going to call it? Star in a reasonably priced plane?

I am Stiggles!

[haitch40]

I am Stiggles!

some say you have a fear of flying
others say you named that new beer called sink the bismark

[dkwookie]

What you going to call it? Star in a reasonably priced plane?

Brilliant!
How about Red Army Air Racing

I reckon we should put this forward to Top Gear for one of their specials. Get them to do it for real

Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jXjYyxvDAU

[haitch40]

Brilliant!
How about Red Army Air Racing

I reckon we should put this forward to Top Gear for one of their specials. Get them to do it for real

Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jXjYyxvDAU

have you ever seen the super corsair? latest prat n whitny engine giving over 4000 bhp then it blew up

[Gilly]

btw this is sim right? since most people in this will want it to be
although the outside camera veiw of realistic would make it more fun.

If we do that we're obviously limiting to the planes with only a cockpit view whereas the orginal intention was to have differing classes of aircraft. Feel free to play it as you wish i guess at the end of the day. As we're not taking it seriously but as a way of adding some additional fun to the game we're going to be using everything from the Po-2 to the B17 and as such will be playing it in arcade as this then helps the ref determine what positions everyone is in as everyone is likely to use the same aircraft for each race.

[f1rebrand]

Brilliant!
How about Red Army Air Racing

I reckon we should put this forward to Top Gear for one of their specials. Get them to do it for real

Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jXjYyxvDAU

Nice.

Or,
No Bull Air Race ;)

[f1rebrand]

If we do that we're obviously limiting to the planes with only a cockpit view whereas the orginal intention was to have differing classes of aircraft. Feel free to play it as you wish i guess at the end of the day. As we're not taking it seriously but as a way of adding some additional fun to the game we're going to be using everything from the Po-2 to the B17 and as such will be playing it in arcade as this then helps the ref determine what positions everyone is in as everyone is likely to use the same aircraft for each race.


Damn. I'd better get unlocking some planes then. Don't have the Po, Ta, B17

[dkwookie]

Needless to say that if you decide to try it remember to limit the game numbers to just people who know what's going on. We got a rogue player in our first reccy who insisted on shooting us down.

I reckon a realistic race with arcade vs sim would be good. Bit like f1 vs wrc

[haitch40]

If we do that we're obviously limiting to the planes with only a cockpit view whereas the orginal intention was to have differing classes of aircraft. Feel free to play it as you wish i guess at the end of the day. As we're not taking it seriously but as a way of adding some additional fun to the game we're going to be using everything from the Po-2 to the B17 and as such will be playing it in arcade as this then helps the ref determine what positions everyone is in as everyone is likely to use the same aircraft for each race.

aww arcade then the guns will be next to useless i was thinking of guns being able to be a passing tool oh well il play it as it is
i was hoping for realistic personaly (but the course takes forever)

[haitch40]

Needless to say that if you decide to try it remember to limit the game numbers to just people who know what's going on. We got a rogue player in our first reccy who insisted on shooting us down.

I reckon a realistic race with arcade vs sim would be good. Bit like f1 vs wrc

f1 v wrc
f1 harder to be good at
wrc harder to do at all
its a bit like comparing skiing and snowboarding skiing is easyer to learn but its easyer to do tricks on a snowboard

[Gilly]

I'm cool whichever mode it's played in just the logistics of it become a little more difficult with sim that's all and would need to thought out a bit more (eg your at the back and crash, you could respawn near the leaders and without being able to id you without getting in close you could effectively shoot down the leader unfairly). Plus if your all in the same plane chances are your all running together and therefore it's probably worthwhile having the guns less effective. There's then the question of rockets and/ or bombs too!!!

[haitch40]

I'm cool whichever mode it's played in just the logistics of it become a little more difficult with sim that's all and would need to thought out a bit more (eg your at the back and crash, you could respawn near the leaders and without being able to id you without getting in close you could effectively shoot down the leader unfairly). Plus if your all in the same plane chances are your all running together and therefore it's probably worthwhile having the guns less effective. There's then the question of rockets and/ or bombs too!!!

ok then halfway realistic would be best.
whats happening with the baling system does that person rejoin or is he out the race or what
we should do a championship as well round the world.
scores go like this
killed in action
killed in race
lucky twerp survived :D

or you can just use f1 points or make your own

[f1rebrand]

People taking shortcuts could be an issue. Maybe one person should fly a jet to monitor the race.

[haitch40]

People taking shortcuts could be an issue. Maybe one person should fly a jet to monitor the race.

yeh but make that a few people incase the group splits

[Gilly]

People taking shortcuts could be an issue. Maybe one person should fly a jet to monitor the race.

Hence why I said about difficulties identifying and the reasoning behind not doing sim. We plan to have a ref if not two to monitor. Perhaps a stationary B17 to act as a ground based turret!!!!

[haitch40]

Hence why I said about difficulties identifying and the reasoning behind not doing sim. We plan to have a ref if not two to monitor. Perhaps a stationary B17 to act as a ground based turret!!!!

no not a staitonary one.
do it like cycle races where a ref follows the pack

[dkwookie]

If we have a ref he can keep an eye on the map as that will show a corner cut. Anyone who does it twice gets disqualified. That way you can allow for a mistake.
Leaderboard will be good. We can score it like F1 with top 6 getting points.

[haitch40]

If we have a ref he can keep an eye on the map as that will show a corner cut. Anyone who does it twice gets disqualified. That way you can allow for a mistake.
Leaderboard will be good. We can score it like F1 with top 6 getting points.

ok then.
btw you are going back some years and your talking second place f1 winner now gets 20 points last year they got 10 and 2n getting 8 and it was 02 last time second got 6 points but 1st never got 6 always 10.
plus inly alow for 1 minor short cut. oh i accdently cut off half the course.
also wep will be a good factor in races too much and you kill your engine (if its realistic arcade wont make any difference) too little and your gonna be a long way behind

[haitch40]

now lets get sponsorship lol

and my team is sponsored by so and so oh crap a cannon shell just hit their logo

[Gilly]

ok then.
btw you are going back some years and your talking second place f1 winner now gets 20 points last year they got 10 and 2n getting 8 and it was 02 last time second got 6 points but 1st never got 6 always 10.
plus inly alow for 1 minor short cut. oh i accdently cut off half the course.
also wep will be a good factor in races too much and you kill your engine (if its realistic arcade wont make any difference) too little and your gonna be a long way behind

Actually it's now 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2 thereby rewarding the top ten and the wrc has just adopted the same scoring system

[dkwookie]

no not a staitonary one.
do it like cycle races where a ref follows the pack

Forget Red Army Air Racing, lets call it Tour De Stalingrad

[f1rebrand]

ok then.
also wep will be a good factor in races too much and you kill your engine (if its realistic arcade wont make any difference) too little and your gonna be a long way behind


That could add an interesting dimension to the race.

[dkwookie]

In fact the points system is too complicated, lets just do it with jerseys

Black jersey - Leader
Red jersey - Most gun kills
Pink Jersey - Most rocket kills
Yellow jersey - Most bailouts

[haitch40]

if im online and you see me at any time im happy to do a practise race in realistic to see if its feasable (hope it is its my fave game mode)

[f1rebrand]

Actually it's now 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2 thereby rewarding the top ten and the wrc has just adopted the same scoring system

So to digress but on the subject of F1, if you have an iPhone there's a great app:

http://www.softpauer.com/f1app/

[dkwookie]

if im online and you see me at any time im happy to do a practise race in realistic to see if its feasable (hope it is its my fave game mode)

Whats your PSN Haitch I will fire a freind request later. Should be on later, on most nights 8-10

[haitch40]

In fact the points system is too complicated, lets just do it with jerseys

Black jersey - Leader
Red jersey - Most gun kills
Pink Jersey - Most rocket kills
Yellow jersey - Most bailouts

i prefur points but you could do it with times.
the person who wins starts the next race however many seconds he won by in front of second place guy

[haitch40]

Whats your PSN Haitch I will fire a freind request later. Should be on later, on most nights 8-10

same as my forum name

[dkwookie]

So to digress but on the subject of F1, if you have an iPhone there's a great app:

http://www.softpauer.com/f1app/

That looks cool, realtime during the race. I remember seeing talk of an F1 game a couple years ago that was going to let you race during the actual race and the oposition racers would be fed by live positions of the acual race. I think it was on some handheld that died a death called Gizmondo

[haitch40]

That looks cool, realtime during the race. I remember seeing talk of an F1 game a couple years ago that was going to let you race during the actual race and the oposition racers would be fed by live positions of the acual race. I think it was on some handheld that died a death called Gizmondo

yeh i heard that it wouldent work though cos oh dear he cant see me ike a computer can and he just smashed me up

[f1rebrand]

That looks cool, realtime during the race. I remember seeing talk of an F1 game a couple years ago that was going to let you race during the actual race and the oposition racers would be fed by live positions of the acual race. I think it was on some handheld that died a death called Gizmondo

Wow, that would've been superb.

[winny]

I'm up for a bit of this..

I think it's gotta be in realistic mode, (maybe sim if the realistic ones go well) although someone would have to check if the arcade speed balancing affects realistic. I suppose with it being a deathrace it depends on if it's more about the death than the race..

Wookie.. if you wanna recce anytime just msg me, even if I'm MW2-ing it.
I'd love a nice relaxed flight without worrying who's behind me.


I'm trying to work out a Dover circuit to see what you lot think..

[haitch40]

I'm up for a bit of this..

I think it's gotta be in realistic mode, (maybe sim if the realistic ones go well) although someone would have to check if the arcade speed balancing affects realistic. I suppose with it being a deathrace it depends on if it's more about the death than the race..

Wookie.. if you wanna recce anytime just msg me, even if I'm MW2-ing it.
I'd love a nice relaxed flight without worrying who's behind me.


I'm trying to work out a Dover circuit to see what you lot think..

the deathrace jus implies you can use guns it has to be limited f/a though
we already have a dover curcuit dover to manston manston to canterbury and canterbury to dover although you could do a quickest accross the channel race

[dkwookie]

I'm up for a bit of this..

I think it's gotta be in realistic mode, (maybe sim if the realistic ones go well) although someone would have to check if the arcade speed balancing affects realistic. I suppose with it being a deathrace it depends on if it's more about the death than the race..

Wookie.. if you wanna recce anytime just msg me, even if I'm MW2-ing it.
I'd love a nice relaxed flight without worrying who's behind me.


I'm trying to work out a Dover circuit to see what you lot think..

Cool will do winny. I dont mind a bit of realistic so will get online later for a fly around. I cant see it working that great in sim at all for the reasons Gilly mentioned. I think it will take a lot of the fun out if you cant id the other players and making those tight turns at speed without external view will make it very hard. Remember you need to start from the ground and land again to a full stop to finish. Not sure I would like to try that in a pack of players down a narrow river with only internal view!!

[haitch40]

Cool will do winny. I dont mind a bit of realistic so will get online later for a fly around. I cant see it working that great in sim at all for the reasons Gilly mentioned. I think it will take a lot of the fun out if you cant id the other players and making those tight turns at speed without external view will make it very hard. Remember you need to start from the ground and land again to a full stop to finish. Not sure I would like to try that in a pack of players down a narrow river with only internal view!!

i agree with taking off to start but landing to finnish maybe not.
you should have to land if you wish to repair your plane though

[Gilly]

Landing just adds that extra element of it all going tits up even if you have managed to lead the race the whole way round. Bit of a carlos sainz moment!!

[haitch40]

Landing just adds that extra element of it all going tits up even if you have managed to lead the race the whole way round. Bit of a carlos sainz moment!!

yeh but then it might not be fair as you may get bombed or rocketed

[Gilly]

yeh but then it might not be fair as you may get bombed or rocketed

That's a deathrace for you!!!

[dkwookie]

Landing just adds that extra element of it all going tits up even if you have managed to lead the race the whole way round. Bit of a carlos sainz moment!!

Yeah it adds nice spice to the end of the race, especially down that frozen river. The surface makes it a different challenge to landing on a strip or field. Your plane actually does glide around a bit. I noticed mine sliding while waiting at the start line for the others to line up

[haitch40]

Yeah it adds nice spice to the end of the race, especially down that frozen river. The surface makes it a different challenge to landing on a strip or field. Your plane actually does glide around a bit. I noticed mine sliding while waiting at the start line for the others to line up

oh if were landing on the volga thats fine i just cant land at those russian airfeilds littered with obsticals

[haitch40]

this thread should be stickied

[winny]

Cool will do winny. I dont mind a bit of realistic so will get online later for a fly around. I cant see it working that great in sim at all for the reasons Gilly mentioned. I think it will take a lot of the fun out if you cant id the other players and making those tight turns at speed without external view will make it very hard. Remember you need to start from the ground and land again to a full stop to finish. Not sure I would like to try that in a pack of players down a narrow river with only internal view!!

You're right about sim (I was thinking more about speeds and not remembering about keeping the wings on!) it'd be a crashfest of epic proportions.. (and that would just be the landings before the start!)

[Gilly]

You're right about sim (I was thinking more about speeds and not remembering about keeping the wings on!) it'd be a crashfest of epic proportions.. (and that would just be the landings before the start!)

And they're were plenty of them before we'd even took off the other night. As dk mentioned landing on ice adds a while new aspect to it. The torque pull of the engine as you try and take off on ice is real fun too!!

[haitch40]

And they're were plenty of them before we'd even took off the other night. As dk mentioned landing on ice adds a while new aspect to it. The torque pull of the engine as you try and take off on ice is real fun too!!

i find it quite easy ive landed and taken off in bothe the p47 and the b17 so other planes shouldent be too much different

[Gilly]

i find it quite easy ive landed and taken off in bothe the p47 and the b17 so other planes shouldent be too much different

But in close proximity, narrow river and ice it's slightly more challenging. The 47 likes to bounce on the ice when landing and slide sideways when you throttle up for take off. Appreciate it pulls normally anyway but it's exagerated on the ice!!

[haitch40]

i have a nice twisty track

map ardens
vaux-su-sure to ettlebruk folowing the rivver the whole way
it will be great fun (carnage too as the river is quite narrow in places) planes i would sugest are the la5fn or la7 as you need a fast rolling tight turning plane

[Spitfire23]

Who here taking part isn't added to my PSN friends list? SubaruGaz is my PSN.

Wookie What's yours? as i know i don't have you on there, And would love to do a little practice if you guys decide to get on for a spot of practice or recon. Also are you guys planning on doing some practice/recon tonight?

I also like the idea of a stationary B-17 placed somewhere on the course, would make great fun!

Also, i have checked the course and think it's great, i'm familiar with it enough now as i had a little trouble at first recognising what was what during winter low altitude.

Has everyone, practiced landing at the Start point? as i can see afew crashes taking place there if anyone isn't comfortable with thier landing skills.

Other than that Good job!

[winny]

I've done a Dover point to point one that could be good.

Basically start at Hawkinge, follow the valley to dover, then there's a red bull bit (see pic) then a race up the coastline following the cliffs (below them) all the way up north till you see some ships in a harbour pass through 2 LHS of them then there's a huge airfield to the left, first to land wins.

http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz147/winistrone/Dover.jpg

I'll do a full map later.

[dkwookie]

Who here taking part isn't added to my PSN friends list? SubaruGaz is my PSN.

Wookie What's yours? as i know i don't have you on there, And would love to do a little practice if you guys decide to get on for a spot of practice or recon. Also are you guys planning on doing some practice/recon tonight?

I also like the idea of a stationary B-17 placed somewhere on the course, would make great fun!

Also, i have checked the course and think it's great, i'm familiar with it enough now as i had a little trouble at first recognising what was what during winter low altitude.

Has everyone, practiced landing at the Start point? as i can see afew crashes taking place there if anyone isn't comfortable with thier landing skills.

Other than that Good job!

My PSN is dkwookie. I will be online later and trying out some of the courses in realistic if you fancy joining. We did a few landings under the bridge the other night on arcade and it but we didnt have too many crashes.

That map looks great Winny. I like the red bull round the lighthouses idea. If we keep it low we could try forcing each other into the cliffs :-)

[Gilly]

I'm GILLYBADMUTHA Gaz but I'll be more than likely on with dk later anyway.
As for the track and navigating it, that was the main reason for putting down smoking markers at points for turns/ junctions as I'm guessing they'll be needed if your trying to kill/ avoid being killed during a race. See the earlier pics I posted to give you an idea of how they look.

[haitch40]

some1 try my track its hard as hell
i would allow small cuts on that track as it is so tight. but if your seen not trying to make the courners it would be instant disqualifacation.
so far we are up to 4 tracks i belive
kent trek
dover slalom by winny
stalingrad
and my one wating for approval

[dkwookie]

some1 try my track its hard as hell
i would allow small cuts on that track as it is so tight. but if your seen not trying to make the courners it would be instant disqualifacation.
so far we are up to 4 tracks i belive
kent trek
dover slalom by winny
stalingrad
and my one wating for approval

Can you post a pic so I can have a go? I will be on in a bit so want to try yours and winnys

[haitch40]

Can you post a pic so I can have a go? I will be on in a bit so want to try yours and winnys

how do i upload pics from ps3 to pc?
il guide you down it if you like

[dkwookie]

Just drop them on a USB stick or SD Card. I think Winny used googlearth though...nice thinking!

[Spitfire23]

Ok great, will add the both of you ASAP, any idea what time you guys will be on?

I'm GMT timezone

Also, nice one winny for using Google earth, I didn't actually realise it was until Wookie pointed it out, i just assumed it was taken from game high up

[haitch40]

some1 post my route cos my ps3 aint finding my only usb stick

[winny]

Just drop them on a USB stick or SD Card. I think Winny used googlearth though...nice thinking!

Nah.. in game screenshot from 8000ft, if you look carefully the HUD is there...

Wookie and I just flew it there and back and it works quite well. I'll be on later to try out some more, Haitch's is good too it'd need to be in agile planes tho! tough corners!

[haitch40]

when we having the first race? it will be fun do stalingrad as the first map

[haitch40]

this thread deserves an award

the most pages filled in 1 day ever

[dkwookie]

Yeah Haitches is very tight but I had fun going under those bridges down there. There are lots of side rivers down that track though so would need to mark the route with some crashes. I will see If I can map it out with a screengrab.

Winnys dover route is great, once you take off from Hawkinge there is a valley with a pathway that leads you straight to Dover. Lighthouse turns add some good action. After the route Winny showed we made our way up to Manston, landed, then returned. Lots of opportunity for some overtaking down the white cliffs straight.

[dkwookie]

Ok great, will add the both of you ASAP, any idea what time you guys will be on?

I'm GMT timezone

I will be on about 7.30-8ish, GMT also. Will drop you an invite

[Spitfire23]

I will be on about 7.30-8ish, GMT also. Will drop you an invite

Ok matey, will be on for then *Thumbs up*

[f1rebrand]

Better print out those maps. Hope to see you boys online later.

[dkwookie]

I had a crack at tracing that route Haitch. I used Google maps cos my USB stick isnt recongised by my PS3 either

[dkwookie]

Ok we tried Stalingrad track in realistic. It was me (ta) subarugaz (spit vi) gilly (la7) and mcq (k4). First off the planes fly half speed in realistic as they do in arcade so it was a chore flying to mark the course. Once we had done that and managed to get lined up we started test lap.
Gaz took an early lead off the line so I shot him down before the turn onto the don. I managed to get a good turn out and started down the main straight in the lead until about half a click when mcq shot me down. I looped down into 4th place and gilly and mcq took off. For a time it was two seperate races, me vs gaz and gilly vs mcq. I managed to get in front of gaz but he must have got a lucky engine shot as I started to leak speed. Made it round half the course until my engine gave out and I hit the deck. Gilly won convincingly but the finish line turned into a wrecking zone and I think I managed third when gaz crashed on landing.
Major issue for me is respawning. When my engine died I was a good 10 clicks behind but I was spawned up in the mix. I think it defeats idea of deathrace if you retire when crash or shot so open to ideas on it. I looped down into last place when I was taken out but it can make it unfair if you prosper from engine failure

[haitch40]

Ok we tried Stalingrad track in realistic. It was me (ta) subarugaz (spit vi) gilly (la7) and mcq (k4). First off the planes fly half speed in realistic as they do in arcade so it was a chore flying to mark the course. Once we had done that and managed to get lined up we started test lap.
Gaz took an early lead off the line so I shot him down before the turn onto the don. I managed to get a good turn out and started down the main straight in the lead until about half a click when mcq shot me down. I looped down into 4th place and gilly and mcq took off. For a time it was two seperate races, me vs gaz and gilly vs mcq. I managed to get in front of gaz but he must have got a lucky engine shot as I started to leak speed. Made it round half the course until my engine gave out and I hit the deck. Gilly won convincingly but the finish line turned into a wrecking zone and I think I managed third when gaz crashed on landing.
Major issue for me is respawning. When my engine died I was a good 10 clicks behind but I was spawned up in the mix. I think it defeats idea of deathrace if you retire when crash or shot so open to ideas on it. I looped down into last place when I was taken out but it can make it unfair if you prosper from engine failure

ok then my solutions

1. have 2 race refs in jets and they mark out the course
2. if you get shot down or bail out you should have a penalty such as a forced landing or something

[haitch40]

I had a crack at tracing that route Haitch. I used Google maps cos my USB stick isnt recongised by my PS3 either

almost not quite though as my route takes some of the smaller rivers not even on that map the rout in general is vaux-sur-sure to ettlebruke

[Spitfire23]

Can't wait to get this Deathrace thing underway, That night with wookie, Gilly and McQ was excellent.

Kinda felt bad for Wookie though as i just nibbled at his plane until i noticed a drop in speed. once the First person had touched down, Chaos ensued.

Great laugh though, i'm assuming during these deathraces we will all be taking the same Plane?

[haitch40]

Can't wait to get this Deathrace thing underway, That night with wookie, Gilly and McQ was excellent.

Kinda felt bad for Wookie though as i just nibbled at his plane until i noticed a drop in speed. once the First person had touched down, Chaos ensued.

Great laugh though, i'm assuming during these deathraces we will all be taking the same Plane?

i dont think we are taking the same planes i think its whatever prop plane you want

[haitch40]

when we doing this i still havent experienced the fun of it :(

[dkwookie]

I am going to set up a race tonight at 11pm uk time if anyone wants to join. I reckon it will be winter Stalingrad race on realistic settings. Any prop plane allowed. Look in realistic dogfights at 11 for my session

[haitch40]

I am going to set up a race tonight at 11pm uk time if anyone wants to join. I reckon it will be winter Stalingrad race on realistic settings. Any prop plane allowed. Look in realistic dogfights at 11 for my session

aww im only online till 6pm usually

[winny]

I am going to set up a race tonight at 11pm uk time if anyone wants to join. I reckon it will be winter Stalingrad race on realistic settings. Any prop plane allowed. Look in realistic dogfights at 11 for my session

it's a date. I've caved into peer presure and bought AvP so I'll be on there earlier no doubt.

[haitch40]

we should make this into a tourny

[dkwookie]

We had a couple of good races last night. We had a 5 man race on the Dover course. Me, gilly, winny, mckinney and fight test. We all used the same plane, spit 2, which really made things better as we were grouped together. The outbound leg hawkinge to manston went through with no gunfire but on the return leg we opened up. Some lovely kills down the White cliffs and we were still quite close on the final straight. I rembered from last time to slow and get gear down in plenty of time to land. The guys in front of me overshot landing and I thought I had it in the bag but I was shit down by mckinney just as I was about to land. Mckinney then landed and won race.
Second race was 6 man run around Stalingrad river. That was all done in 109 g6s. Some nice photos taken of the planes on start line. This race got strung out a bit but and fight test, who was in the lead, went down wrong river near the end. Turns out that some of our crash marks had disappeared. Looks like the game can only handle so many smoke stacks. The finish line turned into a scramble but scotty won comfortably in the end.

Good fun guys, thanks for playing

[haitch40]

We had a couple of good races last night. We had a 5 man race on the Dover course. Me, gilly, winny, mckinney and fight test. We all used the same plane, spit 2, which really made things better as we were grouped together. The outbound leg hawkinge to manston went through with no gunfire but on the return leg we opened up. Some lovely kills down the White cliffs and we were still quite close on the final straight. I rembered from last time to slow and get gear down in plenty of time to land. The guys in front of me overshot landing and I thought I had it in the bag but I was shit down by mckinney just as I was about to land. Mckinney then landed and won race.
Second race was 6 man run around Stalingrad river. That was all done in 109 g6s. Some nice photos taken of the planes on start line. This race got strung out a bit but and fight test, who was in the lead, went down wrong river near the end. Turns out that some of our crash marks had disappeared. Looks like the game can only handle so many smoke stacks. The finish line turned into a scramble but scotty won comfortably in the end.

Good fun guys, thanks for playing

sounds good i spend half an hour dooing a drag test for every plane bar the obvious slow 1s such as bombers and spit ix spit II and hurri i153 and i16

[scottyvt4]

We had a couple of good races last night. We had a 5 man race on the Dover course. Me, gilly, winny, mckinney and fight test. We all used the same plane, spit 2, which really made things better as we were grouped together. The outbound leg hawkinge to manston went through with no gunfire but on the return leg we opened up. Some lovely kills down the White cliffs and we were still quite close on the final straight. I rembered from last time to slow and get gear down in plenty of time to land. The guys in front of me overshot landing and I thought I had it in the bag but I was shit down by mckinney just as I was about to land. Mckinney then landed and won race.
Second race was 6 man run around Stalingrad river. That was all done in 109 g6s. Some nice photos taken of the planes on start line. This race got strung out a bit but and fight test, who was in the lead, went down wrong river near the end. Turns out that some of our crash marks had disappeared. Looks like the game can only handle so many smoke stacks. The finish line turned into a scramble but scotty won comfortably in the end.

Good fun guys, thanks for playing


yeah it was great fun haha i was just brave at the line Gilly was really close and i slipped past him bout 0.4 of a km to the bridge lollol it wont be often that happens, still finding my feet (i feel anyways) with the game, but enjoying realistic :cool::o


thanks for the game :)

[Gilly]

Thought i'd post a few of the pics i managed to get

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad256/paulcgill/IL-2SturmovikBirdsOfPrey_11.png

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad256/paulcgill/IL-2SturmovikBirdsOfPrey_13.png

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad256/paulcgill/IL-2SturmovikBirdsOfPrey_20.png

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad256/paulcgill/IL-2SturmovikBirdsOfPrey_21.png

[KAV]

Wow, looks lika a lot of fun.
Looking forward to get online and into my Spit in the weekend.

Thanks for posting the pics.

[haitch40]

we realy should make a tourny outa this like the dogfighting tornys

[CRANNY]

Great string Gents, I wil be checking these tracks out, beautiful screen shots! We definateky need to set up the B-17 ref and a tourny.

[scottyvt4]

cracking pics as usual Gilly!



how you putting the on here, you uploading them to photobucket from the ps3??

[dkwookie]

Amazing pics gilly! That 109 start line shot is worth printing and framing. Love the one of me biting the dust too.
We would def need a ref if we turn these serious. Really main problem is making sure anyone who gets shot drops back in last spot.

[Gilly]

Few more from tonights racing- cheers guys! even if we did discover a fatal (quite literally) mistake in test running blenhiems- landing at hawkinge becomes even more fun due to auto-gunners!!!

Nice landing dk!
http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad256/paulcgill/landing.png

Line up at the start
http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad256/paulcgill/lineup.png

Coming off the turn at the radar
http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad256/paulcgill/radar.png

dk passes me on the run down the cliffside to manston (and possible the best pic ive taken??)
http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad256/paulcgill/dkpassing.png

[Spitfire23]

Wow, those pics really are worth framing as Wookie said.

Have the Deathraces officially started now? or you guys still testing?

[KAV]

Nice picks.
Think I am in one of them, like a cloud of black smoke from one of my many failed landings :confused:

Hopefully I will be able to join without lag and connection errors tonight.

[haitch40]

should call this the il2 bop grandprix

[f1rebrand]

Some interesting aerial images of Dover harbour and the chain home radar which still stands today. There were four radar towers originally.

http://www.webbaviation.co.uk/gallery/v/kent/dover/

[winny]

Nice pics Gilly..

Next time we do this I'd like to get everyone up high in line abreast and get some pics..

Has anyone done any formation flying on PS3 yet?

[scottyvt4]

they pics are truely stunning Gilly esp that last one ......




Nice pics Gilly..

Next time we do this I'd like to get everyone up high in line abreast and get some pics..

Has anyone done any formation flying on PS3 yet?


i had landing troubles the other night and you're asking for formation flying :eek::eek: haha

ive not done any, closest ive came to it was with Gilly in 17's but it would be cool to try it out :)

[Spitfire23]

Nice pics Gilly..

Next time we do this I'd like to get everyone up high in line abreast and get some pics..

Has anyone done any formation flying on PS3 yet?

Yeah, quite afew guys from the forums got together the once to do some good old Formation flying, it went pretty well too.

Also me and Trk did some prior to that event, here's the link to some of the photos http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=10473&page=6

There are more pics from our formation flight elsewhere on the forum, can't seem to find them though

[Gilly]

If anyone wants a reccy at any of the courses we currently have then drop me a note and I'll happily provide a tour. I think the Stalingrad on is fairly straight forward whereas winnys Dover map does require slightly more thought.

[haitch40]

If anyone wants a reccy at any of the courses we currently have then drop me a note and I'll happily provide a tour. I think the Stalingrad on is fairly straight forward whereas winnys Dover map does require slightly more thought.

id love a race but im never on when they are going

[Gilly]

id love a race but im never on when they are going

When are you normally on? I'm on GMT and not normally on till at least 7.30pm but if you let us know what's good for you I'm sure we can arrange something.

[haitch40]

When are you normally on? I'm on GMT and not normally on till at least 7.30pm but if you let us know what's good for you I'm sure we can arrange something.

10am to 6pm gmt weekends and school holidays
4pm to 6pm gmt weekdays

[McKinneyJD]

I'm always in for a race. I'd love to spend some time rec'ing a Berlin/ Ardennes course as well.

Have ya'll tried finding a spot for a short course with multiple laps? Perhaps a figure 8 course around the Dover dock for some biplane (i153/po2) racing?

[dkwookie]

I'm always in for a race. I'd love to spend some time rec'ing a Berlin/ Ardennes course as well.

Have ya'll tried finding a spot for a short course with multiple laps? Perhaps a figure 8 course around the Dover dock for some biplane (i153/po2) racing?

Now thats an idea. We could use the Dover harbour section of Winnys course for that. Round the castle, down and round lighthouses in I153s would be cool. I think we found a legitimate use for the 153 at last

[f1rebrand]

Now thats an idea. We could use the Dover harbour section of Winnys course for that. Round the castle, down and round lighthouses in I153s would be cool. I think we found a legitimate use for the 153 at last

I'll let nubz know then ;) He can ram the lighthouses to his heart's content.

[McQ59]

Just loved the flights last night! It was cool to see 8 spits lined up before take-off, and fly down the valley and try to find my place in the wing. It wasn't that succesfull though... Crashing with dk down by the radarstation (my own fault, I took a short-cut through the radarmasts there... Sorry dk!) told me that we have to agree on a formation, and try our best to keep it. No wonder the guys of ww2 used weeks of training just to accomplish that... It would be cool to finally make it the hole way to Manston not loosing one plane. And then the deathrace with cannons blasting back! (My God... This game will kill my mind!)

The section afterwards with bombers, both in Dogfight and Strike, where supercool too. Only one thing... I got a bit confused when a couple of 109 opened up on the He-111, and a hurry opened up on my spit. But, summed up: Great fun guys!

[McKinneyJD]

The section afterwards with bombers, both in Dogfight and Strike, where supercool too. Only one thing... I got a bit confused when a couple of 109 opened up on the He-111, and a hurry opened up on my spit. But, summed up: Great fun guys!

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4001/4393919934_de153108da_b.jpg

It was bit hectic, running away from all the little baddies. It was a shame that most of the group lost the historic flavor of the match.

[trk29]

Yes this would be fun, but without guns.

[dkwookie]

Been thinking about guns and after watching the biatholon in the olympics I think it would be cool to run a race without guns then have a dogfight or bombing contest at the end. Would need an umpire to judge bombing acuracy I reckon.
Also gilly has a very nice trench run worked out round the Berlin rivers. Lots of bridges and building lined stretches

[Gilly]

As we haven't had a race for a while I was thinking of suggesting one tonight or over the weekend? I'm just canvassing opinion as to whether anyone fancies it?

[KAV]

As we haven't had a race for a while I was thinking of suggesting one tonight or over the weekend? I'm just canvassing opinion as to whether anyone fancies it?

Sure thing dude, I am in.
Will be online from about 21.00 GMT.

And what about arranging some photoshoot ?
One flying photographer and some other dogfighting, burning, crashing, doing acrobatics etc ?

[haitch40]

As we haven't had a race for a while I was thinking of suggesting one tonight or over the weekend? I'm just canvassing opinion as to whether anyone fancies it?

sure weekend what times?

[f1rebrand]

Sorry guys. I haven't given up on BoP I'm just too damn busy trying to clear a mountain of freelance work.

See you in the skies soon.

Fire.

[Gilly]

Well I'll be on from 7 GMT tonight and then tomorrow during day I'm around after about 1 till 5 then after 7. Sunday I'm on from anytime. I suggest I start one at around 10pm tonight. My PSN is on the realistic player list if anyone wants to join us. I suggest we do Winnys Dover circuit first off. If anyone doesn't know it the map is posted earlier in this thread, that said just join in and you'll easily pick it up!
Good idea Kav about the 'photo' flying. We still haven't done a B17 formation so wouldn't mind a few shots of that. I'd also like to try and get some dogfighting ones. Have tried over the past couple of nights but get my arse shot off in the process so agree I'd need to be 'neutral' to be able to really get some good ones.

[haitch40]

Well I'll be on from 7 GMT tonight and then tomorrow during day I'm around after about 1 till 5 then after 7. Sunday I'm on from anytime. I suggest I start one at around 10pm tonight. My PSN is on the realistic player list if anyone wants to join us. I suggest we do Winnys Dover circuit first off. If anyone doesn't know it the map is posted earlier in this thread, that said just join in and you'll easily pick it up!
Good idea Kav about the 'photo' flying. We still haven't done a B17 formation so wouldn't mind a few shots of that. I'd also like to try and get some dogfighting ones. Have tried over the past couple of nights but get my arse shot off in the process so agree I'd need to be 'neutral' to be able to really get some good ones.

il be on my usual times

btw are we using guns? or we scrapping the DEATH RACE and having a bop biathlon?

[nuklhed808]

we could race throgh beggars canyon and score some womp rats with our t-21's.

Hahahahahahahahaha. Holy crap! I was reading through this thread and when I came up on this little gem I just about laughed the @#%* out of me. Good one:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[KAV]

Any images from the hurry formationflight from friday guys ?

[Gilly]

Any images from the hurry formationflight from friday guys ?

I've got some of the Hurri's and a couple of good ones from the B17/ M262's.
I'll get them up when I get 5. I'm pretty sure McKinney will have a good few too

[KAV]

Cool, cant wait.
Pitty I couldnt join the B17 / ME 262 flight.

I got some pics of the Hurrys but just havent had time to upload them.....

[Shadowcorp]

though i didn't get any picts of me and mcq in formation. Still nice to see the 262 doing what it was designed too own bombers.... and 153s lol
(title meant to say it was cool)

[winny]

though i didn't get any picts of me and mcq in formation. Still nice to see the 262 doing what it was designed too own bombers.... and 153s lol

That would depend on where you were looking from.. actually it looked pretty good from where I was sat, inside a very on fire B-17. There was a point where you and Mcq flew down in between me and Gilly at very high speed and it looked really old school.. It was at this point I noticed one of my wings had come off... again..

[Gilly]

That would depend on where you were looking from.. actually it looked pretty good from where I was sat, inside a very on fire B-17. There was a point where you and Mcq flew down in between me and Gilly at very high speed and it looked really old school.. It was at this point I noticed one of my wings had come off... again..

Sad to say winny I have on photo the very moment McQ flamed you and whilst it's a great photo what really suprised me was the speed and effciency that they could take a 17 down! I was watching thinking oh bollox I'm gone next. Got to admit I was fairly confident that we'd have the upper hand when it came to shooting the jetset...... How wrong I was. Still I've some nice shots from the odd minute that we were all still intact!!

[McQ59]

Yeah... That was one cool mission! The 262's really performs as "he-111" when used as they where designed for. To form up and dive full throttle down at the B-17's, closing in rolling, while guns blasting, was one beautifull treat. And seeing the bombers ignite was just the sight to make my night. That 262 is actually fast!
I guess the clue is to use the planes as they were intented to and were disigned for, as Shadowcorp says. Pitty though that the ammo were limited...

A very nice mission guys!

[Gilly]

I'm canvassing opinion as to whether it's worth running a race tonight at 11pm gmt. We'll do Winnys Hawkinge, Dover to Manston route ( see map earlier in the thread if you don't know it). Let me know if anyone's up for it and I'll post here if there's enough interest.

[haitch40]

I'm canvassing opinion as to whether it's worth running a race tonight at 11pm gmt. We'll do Winnys Hawkinge, Dover to Manston route ( see map earlier in the thread if you don't know it). Let me know if anyone's up for it and I'll post here if there's enough interest.

i would but 11pm is far too late for me

[Gilly]

i would but 11pm is far too late for me

I'll be on earlier, was just thinking of our transatlantic bretheren!! I'll happily show you the circuit earlier if you want, same offer goes out to everyone. I'll be around from 6ish gmt today.

[Gilly]

Race tomorrow 24th April from 10 pm GMT. All welcome.
Will run Winny's Dover circuit- see earlier in this thread for map although you can soon learn the circuit when flying.

[dkwookie]

I will be on for that gilly. Didn't get chance to get back online last night. Getting serious withdrawels from BoP!

[KAV]

Count me in........

[Davedog74]

il av some of that chaps

[Gilly]

T-30 minutes.....

[scottyvt4]

I will be on for that gilly. Didn't get chance to get back online last night. Getting serious withdrawels from BoP!



im the opposite ......... getting grief majorly :(:(:( :-x