Poll: 109 G6/K4, LA5/7, SpitIX, Hurricaine

[lost cause]

I am in sim at the moment, but started in arcade for 2 months and I feel this poll reflects both. If you are in a death match, which fighter are you going to pick? (Forget I153/16) Pilots seem to be on a 109G-6 and K-4 roll at the moment. Just a couple weeks ago it was LA-5 and Spit IX. The Hurricaine is more affective in Arcade. My short pros and kons:

La5/7: Pros-Fast and manuverable. The most stable of the bunch. Good roll rate. Can outturn the bunch. Excellent in skid turns. Good lander. Cons: Worst guns of the bunch. You have to be an excellent shot to maximize kills. Low ammo count. LA7 worst of the bunch. Poor camo in summer maps. Very easy to see. Damage reduces manuverability severely, enabling the rest to turn with you.

109K4/G6: Pros-best guns in game. Less than a 1 second burst can destroy the others. Enables poor marksmen to get more kills than they probably deserve. Enables good marksmen to kill quickly. K4 is fastest piston engined in the game. Can't catch it when it's up to speed. Tough. Can take a good amount of punishment. Camo works well in cities and summer maps. Can't see it among the trees. Not the best turner with the G6 being the much better of the two. Cons-recoil of guns shakes the plane all over the place. Have to shoot in short bursts, telling the enemy you're there. Not the best turner. All the others can turn inside of it. Not real good in a skid turn. Has a tendancy to stall when applying too much rudder. A duck at low speed due to its weight. Don't try to land! G6 less stable than the K4. K4 probably the worst turner of the bunch.

Spit IX: Pros-An excellent turner, particularly at medium to low speeds. Good guns with good range. Close in, they will blow wings off. Better than the 109 in a skid turn but watch the rudder or it can stall. Excellent camo in cities, forests, and summer maps. Almost impossible to see looking down on it. OK roller, but not the best. Good acceleration and power! Can initially pull away from an enemy or haul it around in skid. Climbs well. Cons-loses manuverability quickly when hit. Big wings make a big target. Slower than LAs and 109K4. Is a bit unstable with too much rudder input. Not real good visibility. Be careful landing!

Hurricaine: Pros-An excellent turner in capable hands. Can stay with any of them with practise. Excellent camo as with the Spit. 12 guns dish it out medium to close range. The most stable gun platform of the bunch. Between lots of ammo and stablility, can really hose down an opponent. Lots of tracer. Very tough. Can take a beating and still perform. Up there with the 109 in damage. Can skid turn very good. Good lander. Cons-the slowest of the bunch. Not the best power. Not the best roller. Can stall with too much rudder. Its forte is medium to slow speed combat. Don't see too many in sim.

So, choose your poison. Feel free to discuss any of my points, or add your own.

[Soviet Ace]

I would have said Yak-1b or Yak-3, but I chose the La-5FN instead.

Also for a Pro- for the La's, I've found that even if both my wings, or one of my wings is severely damages, I may not be able to fight as well, but I still have better control of the plane, than say the Spits or Hurricanes.

[FOZ_1983]

You just know what i picked:D

though i must say it varies in all honesty depending on what other planes i see in a lobby. If i see lots of LA5/7's then i wont take the hurricane. If i see mostly spits and 109's then the hurricane i will take

[lost cause]

I've seen a few Hurri pilots, but I put it in there just for you FOZ. I knew you would take it.

[stealth finger]

i said spit for 2 reasons. 1 its awesome 2 im still trying to get the XVI

[kozzm0]

I can't vote because it depends on what the deathmatch is.

If it's a 1 on 1 battle for kills, la5. 1 on 1 for least deaths, la5 or la7. I shoot spitfires I don't fly them.

If it's a free-for-all dogfight (something that as far as I know has never happened in the history of air combat) the winner is either whoever has the wickedest guns on their plane, or whoever can sneak to the back of the centipede of death. That's why the g6 and spitfires are so popular. The only alternative is to bnz, and the only plane capable of bnz-ing and scoring kills quickly is the k4. I've also noticed tagemandbagem using yak-3 in free-for-all, and I figured out why when I used it. It's such a small plane that half the time nobody notices it, and they'll fly right past you to attack whoever you're shooting at.

[David603]

Not that I've been playing BoP much recently, but when I do play it I fly the K4 and G2 models of the Bf109, and also the Spitfire IX. Never, ever get killed in the K4, the only thing that can catch it apart from the jets is another K4 that is higher and faster, and I take good care to avoid that situation. Fantastic firepower, though given the option I would fly without the 2x20mm gunpods, and top of the class speed, acceleration and climb.

The G2 is a rare plane to see, but I like flying it because it is quick and also a capable dogfighter. Weak armament, but very easy to shoot accurately, and I can often get kills against fighters with just the 2 MGs if limited ammo is on and I run out of cannon ammo, so I won't complain about that.

The Spitfire IX is the most popular fighter used online, but that isn't a bad thing, it is a good all-rounder and a plane that can be flown with a reasonable amount of success by a beginner and yet in the hands of a skilled pilot it is one of the best dogfighters in the game, which means you never know what you are up against when you see one of these.

[lost cause]

I agree that your choice may be dependant on the competition. BUT, everybody has a favorite mount, one that they do well with on a consistent basis. Mine is the LA5 or 7 so I chose the 5. My best game ever has been in a G-6, but if I don't want to die in a DEATH match against the best, it has to be a LA or K4 to have a hope of survival and MAYBE get a kill or 2. That's just me though. It sounds to me Kozzm0, you lean towards the LAs. Come on buddy, you can do it! Just push that button! It's easy. Do you really believe a Yak should be on this list? Just because of Mcgirvin? With his skill, he could kill us all in a 190! Come on now, push that LA button! You know its the right one!!

[lost cause]

By the way, the results of my poll just might result in a deathmatch. Very short list of rules. Nothing big except for the losers. Just a 2 hour or so event to see who will put their balls in a DEATH match. I'll figure the heats after the poll after I determine who I can get in it.

DEATH meaning DEATH! No PS3 for a week. Period. No exceptions. Can't even turn it on. Uhhhh, maybe a week is too exreme, we'll see.

We will have something like a British winner, a German winner, and a Russian winner. Planes I mean. They will be in the deathmatch. Or all six planes piloted by the top scoring aces in the heats, if of course they will put their balls on the line.

[dkwookie]

By the way, the results of my poll just might result in a deathmatch. Very short list of rules. Nothing big except for the losers. Just a 2 hour or so event to see who will put their balls in a DEATH match. I'll figure the heats after the poll after I determine who I can get in it.

DEATH meaning DEATH! No PS3 for a week. Period. No exceptions. Can't even turn it on. Uhhhh, maybe a week is too exreme, we'll see.

We will have something like a British winner, a German winner, and a Russian winner. Planes I mean. They will be in the deathmatch. Or all six planes piloted by the top scoring aces in the heats, if of course they will put their balls on the line.

On arcade or sim? No ps3 for a week? May as well top myself
btw spit mk 2 beats mk 9 on arcade

[Shadowcorp]

voted but won't be taking part i need my ps3 for work.

[lost cause]

OK. No PS3 too extreme. Got it. Wookie, you've got a rep as a HOT arcade pilot. I here this from the boys. I don't have the time for an arcade and sim deathmatch. Same with you Shadowcorp. Are you willing to go sim? Are yor friends?

[winny]

voted but won't be taking part i need my ps3 for work.

That sounds like my kinda job!

[haitch40]

i use the spit ix

i like the la7 and la5 more though but those guns are so inacurate i just cant use them its like sniping a moving target if you get a solid shot and it only needs one solid shot and its goodnight but getting that solid hit is the problem

[Ghillied raptor]

The G6, it's like a hot knife through butter.

[Robotic Pope]

Po-2......no wait, sorry I mean Yak-3. But I voted Hurricane just well.... because.

[HauptmannMolders]

I've recently discovered the Yak-3 and I likey!

[lost cause]

That's four guys picking the YAk. The LA 7 has one vote. Are you saying the Yak is better than the LA7 in a deathmatch? Even knowing the LA7 is more manuverable? Maybe I should replace the LA7 with you YAK guys and let you prove it!

[Soviet Ace]

That's four guys picking the YAk. The LA 7 has one vote. Are you saying the Yak is better than the LA7 in a deathmatch? Even knowing the LA7 is more manuverable? Maybe I should replace the LA7 with you YAK guys and let you prove it!

I haven't found any indication, that the La-7 is more maneuverable than the Yak-3. It's faster no doubt about that, but the Yak-3 is all around smaller and not as big of a target like the La-7 is.

Think more La-7= Soviet variant of British Spitfire (not literally, just size comparison, sorta. La is still smaller all around.)

While Yak-3= Soviet varient of Yak-1M. :P You can't really compare any British, American, Italian, or German plane to the Yak-3. The closest you could come was the Japanese Zero. :P

[lost cause]

The problem I have found with the Yak is what I call a "mini" stall. Trying to turn real tight or trying to do a skid turn (a yoyo qualifies) it will just kinda stop responding and hang there for a several seconds, and then start "flying" again. It causes bad things to happen! Apparently, ohter pilots agree as I don't run across anybody flying, and I play four or five times a week for hours and fly against a lot of the top guys. That's why I didn't include it. But I will with no problem if you guys are willing to pilot them in the deathmatch.

[Panzergranate]

I'd vote for the Bf-109 G-10 as, in sim mode, it is the fastest, most maneuverable and most stable of all the 109s to fly.

The lack of firepower is a resonable trade off for the performance advantage over its stablemates and has proven to be better on numerous occasions in sim mode.

It makes smooth turns, doesn't spin and soaks up the damage.

The lighter flight weight, mainly due to the lack of wing guns and considerably lighter VHF / UHF micro valve radio equipment makes for a better dive pull up as well.

Only the G-10 and K-4 have the MW-50 power booster edge.

On the downside, the G-10 does kick when dropping out of WEP and this can be annoying when lining up for a shot or making a tight turns. On a left turn the plane kicks wide and on a right turn it tries to roll over onto its back.

Despite being aware of it, it still catches me out in the heat of a battle.

In a straight line chase it'll catch a K-4 and Fw 190 D-9 in all modes.

As for Spitfires, it is faster than the IX and able to give a XVI a good run for its money.

The G-10 should be in the list.

[mattmanB182]

I'd vote for the Bf-109 G-10 as, in sim mode, it is the fastest, most maneuverable and most stable of all the 109s to fly.

The lack of firepower is a resonable trade off for the performance advantage over its stablemates and has proven to be better on numerous occasions in sim mode.

It makes smooth turns, doesn't spin and soaks up the damage.

The lighter flight weight, mainly due to the lack of wing guns and considerably lighter VHF / UHF micro valve radio equipment makes for a better dive pull up as well.

Only the G-10 and K-4 have the MW-50 power booster edge.

On the downside, the G-10 does kick when dropping out of WEP and this can be annoying when lining up for a shot or making a tight turns. On a left turn the plane kicks wide and on a right turn it tries to roll over onto its back.

Despite being aware of it, it still catches me out in the heat of a battle.

In a straight line chase it'll catch a K-4 and Fw 190 D-9 in all modes.

As for Spitfires, it is faster than the IX and able to give a XVI a good run for its money.

The G-10 should be in the list.

I am not sure I agree with you about the G-10, I have not yet flown it in battle, but I have been flying the G-2 a lot lately. The armament is simply putrid. It could not take down a plane that was made out of cardboard. I believe it is because of the Russian bias in the making of the game...but thats a whole seperate debate.

I have so many times gotten loads of hits on an enemy plane just to be blown out of the sky by their team mate, or Ill damage them...but not get credit for the kill when they go down. I can only get a kill when I manage to get a direct hit on the cockpit with the cannon.

Sadly, I'm back to the G-6/K-4 combo.

Its a known fact that the 109F was superior to many versions of the Spit...not the case in this game, but I have to accept it.

[TRC Subaru]

Well Matt, at least you can be happy that the G-6 is the “meanest” fighter! With its three 30 caliber cannons you can saw wings off with ease.

If you just learn how to fly it to take advantage of its strength (Killing Power) and avoid “turning fights” with the Spits and La’s, (hope your wing man covers you) you can do really well In it.

[lost cause]

I know what you mean about the 109 models. I personnaly find no difference in the way the G10 handles in comparrison to the G6. The F4 is an excellent dogfighter, the best of all 109s. But it just doesn't have the guns. It and the G2,G10,E3 seem to be all modeled the same when it comes to the guns. That is the reason pilots do not fly them, especially in sim mode. You just don't see them in competition. They won't deliver the kills. Also, as far as sim goes, the G2 has aweful camo. Maybe it works for the desert, but certainly not everywhere else! You just can't miss it. In arcade it doesn't matter. Everybody finds everybody thanks to target locater.

[crashhappy1980]

lost you know im voting for the spit lol

[lost cause]

Crashhappy are you on PS3? Wanna sign up for the Deathmatch?

[condorz38]

I know what you mean about the 109 models. I personnaly find no difference in the way the G10 handles in comparrison to the G6. The F4 is an excellent dogfighter, the best of all 109s. But it just doesn't have the guns. It and the G2,G10,E3 seem to be all modeled the same when it comes to the guns. That is the reason pilots do not fly them, especially in sim mode. You just don't see them in competition. They won't deliver the kills. Also, as far as sim goes, the G2 has aweful camo. Maybe it works for the desert, but certainly not everywhere else! You just can't miss it. In arcade it doesn't matter. Everybody finds everybody thanks to target locater.

The G6 flies the best of the bunch; turns almost as well as any of them, fast as just about any of them, better damage than any of them. The only problem is the bounce when firing. It takes practice

[lost cause]

The g6 is damn good and it just might win the deathmatch (if I can get it on). But try the f4 in sim. One excellent handling, very smooth, tight airplane. It's just the guns are peashooters compared to the g6.

Come on people!!! I NEED PILOTS!!!!! Just send me a note. Say on this thread or my other deathmatch thread you want in. I'll contact you. We gotta have a deathmatch tourney. By the way, if I didn't say so in this thread already, I'm tryin to put it together. So come on guys! I NEED PILOTS! Yes, even Poles and Chechs who can't speak English!!! YESSSSS!

[mattmanB182]

The G6 flies the best of the bunch; turns almost as well as any of them, fast as just about any of them, better damage than any of them. The only problem is the bounce when firing. It takes practice

I am not sure why you think it handles anywhere near as good as the others.

When I fly the F-4 or the G-2..I do not shy away from the turning fight with them. I find it funny that I can surprise a many of Spit pilot when they turn a few times, and my 109 is still on their tail.......The G-6 is a BRICK compared to these planes. I wish they had a decent damage model in the game....they should do a lot more damage then they do, even with the one cannon.

[lost cause]

I agree.

[STINGERSIX78]

K-4 FTW !!!

even in 1vs1 situations u win. attack, lure them into a nose to nose combat and u will cut these british-paperplanes into pieces.
(k-4 was designed to intercept bombers. we all know that. but, are u informed about the strong front armorplates,against the tailgunners ? ^^ thats why u win the most of the nose to nose attacks)

[Varcus2]

My favourits plane in this game are the 109 (G2 and K4) and the 190 D9.. But i m agree with Kozzmo and David, my choice change with the number of players who are engaging in dogfigt!!