is it just me or does anyone else prefur the il2 and il2m over the il10?

[haitch40]

these are my reasons

1. higher payload the il2 has 2 extra bomb bays
2. it doesnt stall as easely

[Robotic Pope]

I find the IL-10 is better as it has much better turning and its faster. You can fly it like a fighter aswell as using its rear gun. IL-2 in a dogfight is just a bullet spunge/magnet, and the IL-2M is a plane that gets taken out of the game if everybody just ignores it.
And for CTA games the IL-10 is better because its a smaller target on the ground than the IL-2M and the better turning helps to bomb landed planes quickly. IL-2 is least effective of them in CTA as it can't shoot other landed planes while landed itself, which can be very usefull. All three planes are useless in Strike.

[lost cause]

Here here. I never fly either one. No plane could absorb the amount of cannon shells that the IL2 does. No plane had photon torpedos for bullitts. To me, it's as much a cheat as the American fighters and the 190 are a sham. I hope they correct this crap the next game.

Along these lines, since when did an I-153 dominate 109s and 190s? According to this game, the Russians needed nothing more than IL-2s and 153s to rule the world.

[Zeroptimus]

Here here. I never fly either one. No plane could absorb the amount of cannon shells that the IL2 does. No plane had photon torpedos for bullitts. To me, it's as much a cheat as the American fighters and the 190 are a sham. I hope they correct this crap the next game.

Along these lines, since when did an I-153 dominate 109s and 190s? According to this game, the Russians needed nothing more than IL-2s and 153s to rule the world.

Well, I'm sure during WW2 that they were all playing on Simulator instead of Arcade. Take a 153 to Sim and tell me how many 109's you shoot down before you make the mistake of pointing your plane at the ground and losing your engine.

Ahem.

As for your claims of the IL series being 'useless' in strike, I find the IL-10 is very useful for chasing down the slower bombers. It has enough armor to stay on the tail if it has to, and coming in high is a death sentence to anything below me. If my cannons don't shred their exposed wings, one of four rockets will. The bombs on the '10 are laughable, yes. But it can serve a nice anti bomber role if you know how to fly it.

Also, it's pretty.

[kozzm0]

I never really thought about it, but I do usually choose the il2m over the il10.

I don't know if it was in real life, but it seems like IL-10's armor is weaker than the il-2. And I've got better unlocks for the il-2m. Il-2m also seems to handle better at low speeds, which it needs to in all the online modes.

They're not much in strike, any of them - but if there was a strike mode where you search and destroy tanks instead of bunkers and ships, the il-2 would be invincible. Even the p47's giant bombs wouldn't be able to keep up. If you don't miss, you've got enough armament on an il2 to locate and destroy 4 tanks per sortie.

The main armor of the il-2's was famous for being able to withstand direct hits, the Germans downed them by learning their weak points. The gunner was poorly protected and there were rumors that being a gunner was like a punishment brigade.

They should have made a mode where you have to attack tanks protected by flak guns. Now that the flak works, you'd have to do it right to destroy anything at all.

[Robotic Pope]

I never really thought about it, but I do usually choose the il2m over the il10.

I don't know if it was in real life, but it seems like IL-10's armor is weaker than the il-2. And I've got better unlocks for the il-2m. Il-2m also seems to handle better at low speeds, which it needs to in all the online modes.

They're not much in strike, any of them - but if there was a strike mode where you search and destroy tanks instead of bunkers and ships, the il-2 would be invincible. Even the p47's giant bombs wouldn't be able to keep up. If you don't miss, you've got enough armament on an il2 to locate and destroy 4 tanks per sortie.

The main armor of the il-2's was famous for being able to withstand direct hits, the Germans downed them by learning their weak points. The gunner was poorly protected and there were rumors that being a gunner was like a punishment brigade.

They should have made a mode where you have to attack tanks protected by flak guns. Now that the flak works, you'd have to do it right to destroy anything at all.

Very true. Its pretty stupid when you think about it, The plane the game is named after, doesn't have any multiplayer mode that it can do what it was designed for, tank busting.

Also the IL-2M and I-L10 (and all planes with a rear gunner in fact) are completely unfair when being atacked from behind in that the gunners are all SUPERMAN, with their skin being stronger than any steel armour, bullets pinging off their eyeballs as they continue to fire into the engine of the shooting fighter.

[lost cause]

You're my kind of thinking man, Kozzm0. I love your inputs on these threads. I think we should petition the devs to hire Kozzm0 as a consultant. We would have one hell of a game!!!!!

[kozzm0]

You're my kind of thinking man, Kozzm0. I love your inputs on these threads. I think we should petition the devs to hire Kozzm0 as a consultant. We would have one hell of a game!!!!!

No, most of what I know is written in the well-known book "Fighter Combat Tactics and Maneuvering" by Robert Shaw, retired US Navy pilot. That's the expert source. Other than that, just my opinions from playing this and a few other sims for a while, and the limited stuff like E-M diagrams that I can find on sites like simhq.

If you look around, you can probably download the old edition of Shaw from the web, not sure how legal it is, but it is there.

[condorz38]

these are my reasons

1. higher payload the il2 has 2 extra bomb bays
2. it doesnt stall as easely

It has more bombs and rockets, and it lands pretty easy in realistic it doesn't flip like the spit and does pretty well. For anything other than CTA there are better planes. Some people can fly the thing well in dogfight and team battle, I just can't for some reason. The IL-10 is a disappointment to me, since it is supposed to be faster and more manueverable with better guns and armor, but I seem to be unable to do any better with it and maybe worse.
Tried the IL-10 in a couple of cta matches. It lands as well as the IL-2 and is a little faster and more manueverable so the flying is a bit better. The main drawback is the smaller payload of only 2 bombs and 4 rockets (half the IL-2) The tail gunner also seems better on the 10. On CTA it is just a bit better, if you are careful with your ammunition; I.E. you have to be more accurate. The guns are just enough bigger to make it a little faster killing. Haven't tried it on realistic yet, but arcade it appears just a little better, maybe all you need for a win over a loss.