Patch 4.10 - Development Updates by Daidalos Team

[WTE_Galway]

I don't know. In amongst all that weird and whacky "Secret Nazi Wunder Weapon" stuff and explosion clips Xilon is obsessed with he occasionally links some interesting and useful material.

[Tempest123]

I'll try and get this thread back on topic (Btw. Xilon Il2 was an Eastern Front sim merged with Pacific Fighters a Pacific War sim, soo.. we should be grateful for the Italian content that TD is giving us, or any content that is new because it's FREE). There are many other sim's out there that don't even have the content of one 4.10 patch, and they cost money, so reality check.
Anyhoo I was playing around with some of the new 4.09 planes (that I don't spend a lot of time in), and noticed some great details like blue exhaust tips on the new I-16's, new gunsight damage, and other cool stuff on the Fokkers and Avia. I learned that i can open the canopy on the new I-16 type and lean out the side for landing, this is so helpful and a neat detail, so if this is any indication of the upcoming quality of 4.10 I'm very excited, thanks TD.

[bf-110]

Two nations that are usually (if not always) omitted in WWII games are Italy and France.
IL2 now had a great progress with the Italian Air Force,still,I miss ground and sea units.
France still haves only two planes.Wish they could add more,since some of the former Armée de l´Air planes served with both french air forces,with Romania and Bulgaria (and some where captured by Germans,dunno if used at all).An example of this is the D.250.

[IceFire]

Two nations that are usually (if not always) omitted in WWII games are Italy and France.
IL2 now had a great progress with the Italian Air Force,still,I miss ground and sea units.
France still haves only two planes.Wish they could add more,since some of the former Armée de l´Air planes served with both french air forces,with Romania and Bulgaria (and some where captured by Germans,dunno if used at all).An example of this is the D.250.

You mean D.520 :)

You're absolutely right that France and Italy tend to be amongst the major nations omitted from flight sims of the past. Although strictly speaking it wasn't important to involve either in sims of the past since nearly all focused on either the Pacific or Western Europe in 1943 and later. Il-2 was the first Eastern Front sim and the first time that nations like Slovakia, Romania, Italy and Hungary showed up in a sim (nevermind the Russians) at all.

I suspect that all of this will be rectified in the nearish future. Storm of War Battle of Britain already has the full collection of Italian aircraft that participated in that battle (a nearly forgotten contribution). With North Africa being one of the next fronts that will likely be covered by the Storm of War series... both France (Vichy France) and Italy receive a complete treatment. That would include the D.520 as Vichy France operated these against the Torch landings initially.

[N2O]

I have an offer (or the request – as want):
If it is impossible to give at least rough date of an exit 4.10, whether that it is impossible to specify us, at least the exact period when it doesn't leave? For example: the next week (to 11/5/2010) 4.10 precisely don't wait.

Ask what for it it is necessary? What would people not check infinitely «instead of whether have laid out a patch?...» - constant expectation not too pleasant condition. And from work distracts:D If in a week term yet doesn't approach – it is possible to prolong it for a week and so on (I hope it it is not required …). Будте are assured – will receive a patch before promised "absenteeism" more pleasantly, than constantly to wait ;)

At the same time it doesn't impose any obligations on DT as isn't the promise to let out 4.10 to this date.

I think many who on 10 times in the course of the day checks this branch me will support.

In Russian:

У меня есть предложение (или просьба – как хотите):
Если нельзя дать хотя бы ориентировочную дату выхода 4.10, то нельзя ли указать нам, хотя бы точный период, когда он не выйдет? К примеру: в ближайшую неделю (до 5.11.2010) 4.10 точно не ждите.

Спросите зачем это надо? Что бы люди не проверяли бесконечно «а не выложили ли патч?...» - постоянное ожидание не слишком приятное состояние. Да и от работы отвлекает :D Если же через неделю срок еще не подойдет – можно продлить его еще на неделю и так далее (надеюсь этого не потребуется…). Будте уверены – получить патч раньше обещанного «невыхода» будет приятнее, чем постоянно ждать ;)

В то же время это не накладывает никаких обязательств на DT так как не является обещанием выпустить 4.10 к этой дате.

Думаю многие, кто по 10 раз на дню проверяет эту ветку меня поддержат.

[Aximand]

Yes! I like that way! Then ill can "rest in pease" during this period..

[steam]

n2o
+ 1 :)
In this case it does not flood. This means that this option will suit many people

In Russian:
В данном случае это не флуд. Это означает, что такой вариант устроит многих людей

[Sotyj]

+1 n2o

[ramstein]

how about the 'high altitude sky color' ? what exactly has been improved with that,, and at what alt does it change to what.. ? (it is not like there is a barrier from one color to the next at any alt under space barrier..)..

anyone know what this change will look like? it should be much brighter as you go higher (below space) not darker as in the current sim..

[ZaltysZ]

anyone know what this change will look like? it should be much brighter as you go higher (below space) not darker as in the current sim..

Development Update - 2010-01-28: http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=136670&postcount=4

[Xilon_x]

italian animation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivJQMrpmdac&feature=grec_index
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBYQXfPZun0&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuO7X4zZ6KM&feature=related

[bf-110]

+1

I guess TD already knows in what level the beta testing is...

[ImpalerNL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cABkgE56mEI

[bf-110]

Haha.
I made one of these too.But in portuguese.

Too bad the video won´t last long in the thread.

[Azimech]

Let's put The Duke in a plane, and chew bubblegum because he's outta ammo XD

[Azimech]

And okay, before it gets deleted, if ye wanna know where that famous quote from Duke Nuke 'em came from: They Live by John Carpenter in 1988:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp_K8prLfso

Excellent movie!

[Xilon_x]

ENGLISH attack ITALIAN ship POLA movie and italian animation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_jqiKAc5l0&feature=related

[d165w3ll]

italian animation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivJQMrpmdac&feature=grec_index
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBYQXfPZun0&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuO7X4zZ6KM&feature=related

This is great - fantasy - stuff. For a reality check, can you do another with Conte di Cavour, Littorio and Caio Duilio vs stringbags? ;-)

[Xilon_x]

3D animation of Tower Corazzata ROMA. loock this video
http://www.cestrum.eu/italiano/files/schede%20tecniche.html
this is another video
italian famous U-BOAT SCIRE' flottiglia X-MAX
http://www.cestrum.eu/images/scire%20workshop/40.jpg
http://www.cestrum.eu/images/scire%20workshop/07%20forma.jpghttp://www.cestrum.eu/images/scire%20workshop/torretta.jpg

[Insuber]

This is great - fantasy - stuff. For a reality check, can you do another with Conte di Cavour, Littorio and Caio Duilio vs stringbags? ;-)

Or maybe an underwater one, Maiali vs. Queen Elizabeth and Valiant ... ;) sorry I couldn't resist ... LOL!

[Xilon_x]

this FAIREY SWORDFISH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p79OTRbNNHg&feature=related

[Xilon_x]

OPERATION GAUDO R.O.43 take off whit catapult sistem.
http://www.cestrum.eu/italiano/files/OPERAZIONE%20GAUDO%2003.htm
SWORDFISH attak Italian SHIP
http://www.cestrum.eu/italiano/files/OPERAZIONE%20GAUDO%2002.htm
ITALIAN MOVIE AND 3D ANIMATION.

[JtD]

It would be really nice if you stopped spamming this topic. You're also off topic, and you're using more capitals than there are allowed according to the forum rules.

What if TD wanted to post a small update, such as, "we're still testing, there aren't many issues left, but still some, which will likely still take a couple of weeks to fix"? It would be totally lost in all your trash.

[AndyJWest]

It would be really nice if you stopped spamming this topic. You're also off topic, and you're using more capitals than there are allowed according to the forum rules.

What if TD wanted to post a small update, such as, "we're still testing, there aren't many issues left, but still some, which will likely still take a couple of weeks to fix"? It would be totally lost in all your trash.

Yeah. Xilon, you know the rules - post this stuff elsewhere, preferably in the topic you've already started on much the same subject. You do sometimes find interesting videos and photos, but they don't belong here.

JtD, are you perhaps suggesting that TD might want to post that particular update?

[bf-110]

They shoulda,they said they were at second betatesting round 2 months ago and no news since then...

[Xilon_x]

Ok Andywest we return to just argoument......develepement updates by daidalus and request if my request is update the list of nations in the first panel and update the list of pilots tank you.
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=193407&postcount=1733

[d165w3ll]

Or maybe an underwater one, Maiali vs. Queen Elizabeth and Valiant ... ;) sorry I couldn't resist ... LOL!

No problem with that at all though - more pertinently to this simulation - how about Repulse and Prince of Wales vs Japanese air power?

[ElAurens]

Well while we don't have a model of Repulse, we do have the correct IJN aircraft for that scenario.

What we don't have are enough Imperial Japanese Army attack aircraft. In fact we have not one Japanese Army single engine attack aircraft of any kind.

Much needed.

[Xilon_x]

i think if WW2 START in europe and the priority is ITALY and FRANCE airplane NORWAY ecc. after and after WW2 change to pacific area and you complete the japanese airplane list and american airplane list.

[ElAurens]

Ummm...

We are not talking about Storm Of War here.

All theaters of operation shold have equal attention in IL2/46.

Frankly the Pacific side has been totally neglected almost from the release of Pacific Fighters. PF was incomplete and poorly realized.

It deserves attention.

[Xilon_x]

yes i am aggree missing the best BATTLE SHIP BIG in the WORLD the YAMATO missing many airplane american and japanese missing also the ATOMIC BOMB for B29 i think if IL-2 sturmovik have the ATOMIC BOMB the game END also whit reality WW2.
YES for me ATOMIC BOMB is a simbolic EVENT and sign the END OF WW2.
is good for the ULTIMATE patch of il-2.

[WTE_Galway]

yes i am aggree missing the best BATTLE SHIP BIG in the WORLD the YAMATO missing many airplane american and japanese missing also the ATOMIC BOMB for B29 i think if IL-2 sturmovik have the ATOMIC BOMB the game END also whit reality WW2.
YES for me ATOMIC BOMB is a simbolic EVENT and sign the END OF WW2.
is good for the ULTIMATE patch of il-2.

Secret IJN super weapon ...


http://www.shipschematics.net/yamato/images/title.jpg

[bf-110]

Well while we don't have a model of Repulse, we do have the correct IJN aircraft for that scenario.

What we don't have are enough Imperial Japanese Army attack aircraft. In fact we have not one Japanese Army single engine attack aircraft of any kind.

Much needed.

Houston,we have a problem.
We have PoW but no G3M to sink it.Same,we have Swordfish but no Bismarck or Prinz Eugen.

As you see,I´m a big supporter of aeronaval missions,since ships are harder and bigger targets to hit than ground vehicles and aren´t static as buildings.

[SaQSoN]

People, who think, the game must have added this or that are wholeheartedly welcome to model the missing subjects by themselves, or pay the making of them from their own pocket.

Can't model or pay? Go with your "you must add [put your favorite subject here]"... well, somewhere else.

[Xilon_x]

i pay for this not problem DAIDALOS team i pay ok? i pay.
for a great work i pay but i want a good patch tank you.
i pay not problem.

[LukeFF]

Huh?

[SaQSoN]

i pay for this not problem DAIDALOS team i pay ok? i pay.
for a great work i pay

Standard minimal price is 1000 Euro per ship, plane, or one cockpit model. Now you only have to find a modeler. Good luck.

[JG53Frankyboy]

unfortunatly the dream that xilon_x would not post anymore on this forum ( as it was announced by himself) didnt come true :(
ok, we cant get this............... a suggestion to xilon, open a new topic where you can spam around whatever you want but dont disturb other topics anymore.

where is this ignore function btw ?

[BadAim]

unfortunatly the dream that xilon_x would not post anymore on this forum ( as it was announced by himself) didnt come true :(
ok, we cant get this............... a suggestion to xilon, open a new topic where you can spam around whatever you want but dont disturb other topics anymore.

where is this ignore function btw ?

User CP> Settings & Options> Edit Ignore list. It's a wonderful tool. Like Tai Chi for the internet. "OK, cleansing mouse click...... There, Xilon all gone"

[skyfox]

i pay for this not problem DAIDALOS team i pay ok? i pay.
for a great work i pay but i want a good patch tank you.
i pay not problem.


Get a clue. Daidalos team are doing these updates for free on their own time. Sure there are numerous missing planes in this sim, each with it's own argument for inclusion. But what sim does have all the "missing" planes"? I know of none.
Just be thankful for what we are getting at no cost to us.

<S> to Team Daidalos

[JG53Frankyboy]

User CP> Settings & Options> Edit Ignore list. It's a wonderful tool. Like Tai Chi for the internet. "OK, cleansing mouse click...... There, Xilon all gone"

perfect :)
thx a lot !

[JtD]

They shoulda,they said they were at second betatesting round 2 months ago and no news since then...

Five weeks are not two months. I know, maybe in France. :)

As long as there are no other news, you'll have to accept that the last update is still the current status. Yes, sucks. But be assured that TD is still testing, and that there is progress. One problem with fixing bugs is that you can't really propose a schedule. While finding bugs can be expected, the nature of them and the effort for fixing them can not be predicted. Another problem is that updating the public about the progress of bug fixing is not really entertaining. "Today we eliminated 3, but found 4. However, one of the three was a really tricky one, while none of the four is. Our bug list thus has 196 points, 154 of which have been dealt with and 23 of which need to be dealt with before release of the next patch." Might be good to hear things like this once in a while, but if that's all there is, who would want to know something like this after 3 months?

[JtD]

User CP> Settings & Options> Edit Ignore list. It's a wonderful tool. Like Tai Chi for the internet. "OK, cleansing mouse click...... There, Xilon all gone"

I usually don't log in when reading this board. :(

[bf-110]

Five weeks are not two months. I know, maybe in France. :)

As long as there are no other news, you'll have to accept that the last update is still the current status. Yes, sucks. But be assured that TD is still testing, and that there is progress. One problem with fixing bugs is that you can't really propose a schedule. While finding bugs can be expected, the nature of them and the effort for fixing them can not be predicted. Another problem is that updating the public about the progress of bug fixing is not really entertaining. "Today we eliminated 3, but found 4. However, one of the three was a really tricky one, while none of the four is. Our bug list thus has 196 points, 154 of which have been dealt with and 23 of which need to be dealt with before release of the next patch." Might be good to hear things like this once in a while, but if that's all there is, who would want to know something like this after 3 months?

I know,but they could report if they are taking more time because they found a major bug or if they are working on minor bugs.
And I don´t get the point of people complaining when we ask stuff.If we cant do it,for what TD is working then?
Better stay with 4.08.

[BadAim]

perfect :)
thx a lot !
I try to do my part.

[Tempest123]

I know,but they could report if they are taking more time because they found a major bug or if they are working on minor bugs.
And I don´t get the point of people complaining when we ask stuff.If we cant do it,for what TD is working then?
Better stay with 4.08.

or 4.09m you mean?

[SaQSoN]

And I don´t get the point of people complaining when we ask stuff. If we cant do it,

You can, all right. What I can't get, is why people complaining, if they don't get answers to their questions. No one is obliged to answer them, anyway. Don't you think?

for what TD is working then?

For their own pleasure, obviously. Why else would anyone spend countless hours programming, modeling, painting, whatever else in their free time, instead of taking some leisure with girls and beer (well, or at least with TV and beer)? :cool:

[Romanator21]

The ingratitude shown here is quite amazing.

DT doesn't owe you anything. If it weren't for them, we'd all be playing 4.08. Please, at least show some respect, as you aren't paying them a dime.

[bf-110]

For their own pleasure, obviously. Why else would anyone spend countless hours programming, modeling, painting, whatever else in their free time, instead of taking some leisure with girls and beer (well, or at least with TV and beer)? :cool:

Indeed,what they are doing it´s not only for them,but for the whole community.Nobody would be modding if nobody wanted and if they didn´t like to do so.
When people were complaining they looked to be angry about asking new things to TD rather then if they are being annoyed with the same requests.

[GOA_Potenz]

will this patch ever see the light???
or it's not going to happend
6 month delay, isn't a short time...

[Drum_tastic]

What we can say here is by the time of the 70th anniversary of the first Martian olympic games, thousands of people will be playing patch 4.10

[Feathered_IV]

The ingratitude shown here is quite amazing.

DT doesn't owe you anything. If it weren't for them, we'd all be playing 4.08. Please, at least show some respect, as you aren't paying them a dime.

Quoted for emphasis.

[Xilon_x]

Dear daidalus team in il.2 sturmoivik 1946 patch 4.09 you find in the list of airplane not light.
yes airplane not have the function light on-off and have only the texture light.(this is a bug)
And also i hate AUTOMATIC FLAPS not good.

[julien673]

Dear daidalus team in il.2 sturmoivik 1946 patch 4.09 you find in the list of airplane not light.
yes airplane not have the function light on-off and have only the texture light.(this is a bug)
And also i hate AUTOMATIC FLAPS not good.



:rolleyes: ... what can i say

http://membres.lycos.fr/aqwarius/infopsg_smileys/fouet.gif

[Qpassa]

dont quote it plz

[28_Condor]

S!

The delay will not exist if DT had not scheduled a date for its release.

If they had just announced a future release without an scheduled set for others patchs, there would be no such anxiety...

This is an error that can be highlighted (mainly because of it squads, like mine, have taken some important decisions ). The problem is not the delay itself, which is normal in softwares developments ...

[rjhill899]

will this patch ever see the light???
or it's not going to happend
6 month delay, isn't a short time...

Doesn't look like it.

[AndyJWest]

Given the amount of work that DT have already put in to the 4.09 and 4.10 patches, the idea that they won't release 4.10 is utterly ridiculous: they've already told us that it is in the final debugging stages, and that Oleg is looking at the Guide to give final approval.

The extent they will be inclined to do more after this patch is possibly questionable, given the attitude of some of the ungrateful whining brats who frequent this forum, who clearly think their clueless drivel is of any significance. It isn't. Nothing you say is going to make anything happen sooner, though keep it up and things may not happen at all.

[Kwiatek]

I think the right person to ask now about patch 4.10 is Oleg M.

DT wrote here that they finished 4.10 patch and sended it to Oleg M. for accept. Since these time there is no info about patch relase and silence.

So i think that Oleg M. for some reason dont allow them to relase patch.

What is a reason we could only think.

So now the right person to ask for patch 4.10 delay is not DT ( who made their homework) but rather Oleg M. ?

So maby community should aks Oleg M. why he is delaying any info and relase of patch 4.10 which i belive is very good work of DT and hope for making some improvements for these old game? MAby too good or too many improvements?

[d165w3ll]

Given the amount of work that DT have already put in to the 4.09 and 4.10 patches, the idea that they won't release 4.10 is utterly ridiculous: they've already told us that it is in the final debugging stages, and that Oleg is looking at the Guide to give final approval.

The extent they will be inclined to do more after this patch is possibly questionable, given the attitude of some of the ungrateful whining brats who frequent this forum, who clearly think their clueless drivel is of any significance. It isn't. Nothing you say is going to make anything happen sooner, though keep it up and things may not happen at all.

Pretty much agree with you. The full 4.09 patch was an astonishing bonus, which I had fair given up on ever seeing. But then I looked back on the fora after a gap of about a year and hey presto, this mysterious cabal of fab fanatics Team Daidalos had materialised and, in a rush of enthusiasm, had completed the patch - the file growing from the beta by around a half in the process. I was - and remain - in clover. I love the Me 410 and fly it almost exclusively. Thank you TD for including it - and the modellers for creating it.

I what they may now be regretting as wild optimism, TD then published an intention to supply a regularly-spaced sequence of further patches. The projected content of 4.10 seems to have grown enormously since then and fair gobbled up their projected timetable. It sounds almost like as serious a step-change as from FB+AEP+PF to 1946.

We cannot complain at all. I suspect though that TD may be slightly regretting not better managing expectations. Another contributor recently asked TD whether they could state when the patch will NOT be issued - as in "not this week" or "not before Christmas", for example. There may be some mileage in this approach.

[BadAim]

I think the right person to ask now about patch 4.10 is Oleg M.

DT wrote here that they finished 4.10 patch and sended it to Oleg M. for accept. Since these time there is no info about patch relase and silence.

So i think that Oleg M. for some reason dont allow them to relase patch.

What is a reason we could only think.

So now the right person to ask for patch 4.10 delay is not DT ( who made their homework) but rather Oleg M. ?

So maby community should aks Oleg M. why he is delaying any info and relase of patch 4.10 which i belive is very good work of DT and hope for making some improvements for these old game? MAby too good or too many improvements?

Gee, maybe Oleg is freaking busy? Maybe DT never said that they were sending the patch to Oleg for approval, but the Readme? Maybe DT is busting their asses trying to get this thing out?

I shouldn't be surprised over the conspiracy theories, hell it took 40 years to figure out that Lee Harvey Oswald killed Kennedy.

[Kwiatek]

Im quite sure that these is not speculation but facts which here not many see behind the lines :P

Even if Oleg is so much busy i think he should give free hand for DT as he gave them credit for making IL2 patches. They proved that they are making good job for these sim. Or maby too good ?

[SaQSoN]

DT wrote here that they finished 4.10 patch and sended it to Oleg M. for accept. Since these time there is no info about patch relase and silence.

DT never said, the 4.10 was finished to the state, where it can be released to public. And it is not yet.

So i think that Oleg M. for some reason dont allow them to relase patch.

What is a reason we could only think.


The only reason - the patch isn't yet finished. No need to speculate further.

PS Well said, BadAim.

[GF_Mastiff]

Gee, maybe Oleg is freaking busy? Maybe DT never said that they were sending the patch to Oleg for approval, but the Readme? Maybe DT is busting their asses trying to get this thing out?

I shouldn't be surprised over the conspiracy theories, hell it took 40 years to figure out that Lee Harvey Oswald killed Kennedy.

I thought it was the fake cop in the grassy knoll?

[rga]

I think the right person to ask now about patch 4.10 is Oleg M.

DT wrote here that they finished 4.10 patch and sended it to Oleg M. for accept. Since these time there is no info about patch relase and silence.

So i think that Oleg M. for some reason dont allow them to relase patch.

What is a reason we could only think.

So now the right person to ask for patch 4.10 delay is not DT ( who made their homework) but rather Oleg M. ?

So maby community should aks Oleg M. why he is delaying any info and relase of patch 4.10 which i belive is very good work of DT and hope for making some improvements for these old game? MAby too good or too many improvements?

I personally like your theory very much :evil::evil::evil:

http://procrastinationstation101.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/one-more-theory-theory-ark-noah-flood-demotivational-poster-1232649120.jpg

[The Kraken]

Im quite sure that these is not speculation but facts

Wow that sentence is an instant classic... ;)

Even if Oleg is so much busy i think he should give free hand for DT as he gave them credit for making IL2 patches. They proved that they are making good job for these sim. Or maby too good ?

You don't make any sense.

[SaQSoN]

Wow that sentence is an instant classic... ;)

Mua-ha-ha-ha!!! How did I miss that?! :lol:

[KWM_Schnaps]

Dear DT,
just as many of my little friends over here, I take a look a day to get news.
And I read really many speculations about the reasons for you not releasing 4.10 patch. Some crazy, some funny. But too many, anyway.
May I respectfully suggest that you post an update.
Some kind of a "read-me submitted (or not), debugging underway or archive compilation underway, or ...." so we can have a rest with these speculations.
Many thanks in advance.

[Kwiatek]

It's going fine. We would like to post the user guide PDF as dev. update as soon as Oleg gives final approval for it.

User guide = full feature list plus own chapters for new planes, main features and everything else that need explaining.


Poor naive users :cool:

[flying]

Gentlmem,You have talked too much about 4.10,But,TD didn't ignore you!

[BadAim]

If DT did post something, it would be so buried in all this crap that we'd never be able to find it anyway.

The reason DT doesn't post is that they don't have anything to say that they have not said already, and they have the sense to stfu when they don't have anything to say. That is a fact...........

[Barnowl]

d165w3ll wrote
" I love the Me 410 and fly it almost exclusively. Thank you TD for including it - and the modellers for creating it."

I do not remember this aircraft in 4.09, isn't it a mod?

[rjhill899]

The extent they will be inclined to do more after this patch is possibly questionable, given the attitude of some of the ungrateful whining brats who frequent this forum, who clearly think their clueless drivel is of any significance. It isn't. Nothing you say is going to make anything happen sooner, though keep it up and things may not happen at all.

I do not see ungrateful whining brats, I see people that have been fans of the game that were told it would be released in a certain time period stating the obvious. Just because someone is doing it on their Free Time does not mean you cannot state your disappointment of their project management skills.

[AndyJWest]

Well, the whiners are presumably doing it in their own free time too, so I don't see why I shouldn't state my disappontment at the forum being spammed by them.

I expect TD are disapponted that they made the mistake of giving a release date. No doubt they could have released something at that date if they absolutely had to. Would you have been happier if they had? With the consequent bugginess and lack of features this would have entailed?

It has already been pointed out countless times that a significant reason for the delay was through being given access by 1C:Maddox to new tools enabling them to perform patch compilation etc themselves. Such new tools obviously require time to learn how to use to the best advantage.

The patch will also include features not originally scheduled for release.

[Avimimus]

Watch out - some people will be disappointed if you talk about "features not scheduled for the original release" and start complaining about how their fantasy's aren't fulfilled.

There are way more features than I'd have expected. They've also included new aircraft at the last minute (Do-217, Fairies etc.)

[rjhill899]

Well, the whiners are presumably doing it in their own free time too, so I don't see why I shouldn't state my disappontment at the forum being spammed by them..
This statement is just plain stupid.


I expect TD are disapponted that they made the mistake of giving a release date. No doubt they could have released something at that date if they absolutely had to. Would you have been happier if they had? With the consequent bugginess and lack of features this would have entailed?
No, it is the lack of communication that is the problem.


It has already been pointed out countless times that a significant reason for the delay was through being given access by 1C:Maddox to new tools enabling them to perform patch compilation etc themselves. Such new tools obviously require time to learn how to use to the best advantage.

The patch will also include features not originally scheduled for release.
Which is where project management comes in to play also.

No disrespect is intended here, but it is not our fault something was promised at a certain point in time and not delivered. TD does not have to do this, but they chose to. They gave a time line and yes, most of the time there will be problems and delays. I think everyone understands that. What they do not understand is why very few updates about the status are being posted.
And to answer the questions i know will follow this, yes, the words Still testing would be fine.

[The Kraken]

Which is where project management comes in to play also.

MBA student? You really seem a bit obsessed with that term.

No disrespect is intended here, but it is not our fault something was promised at a certain point in time and not delivered. TD does not have to do this, but they chose to. They gave a time line and yes, most of the time there will be problems and delays. I think everyone understands that. What they do not understand is why very few updates about the status are being posted.
And to answer the questions i know will follow this, yes, the words Still testing would be fine.

They did not promise anything and it can be taken for granted that any free-time development will have a higher rate of delays because of real-life issues. The current status is that they are testing and as long as no other information is given this stands, so I fail to see the benefit of repeating that time and again. Even if they did this wouldn't make a difference to the people suffering from "spoiled brat syndrome" as they would still demand further explanations and justifications, and come up with the usual conspiracy theories. Been there, done that.

[Romanator21]

DT is run by volunteers who love what they do, not by some centralized corporation with dedicated "project managers".

Nothing was ever promised, nor owed, by DT. Just be happy you're getting a patch at all, and don't feel so entitled to one.

But since you seem to know a lot about project management, would you like to volunteer to "help" them out? I'm sure you would do an excellent job.

[AndyJWest]

Ah, yes, the 'insult the workers so they work harder' school of 'management'. They aren't your employees, or anyone else's.

AS for 'project management', can you please tell us how it is possible to timetable a voluntary spare-time project, using tools you've never seen, developing new software to integrate with a system that it's own design team acknowledges is 'incestuous code', and adding further features while developing?

[=69.GIAP=TOOZ]

Okay, in case you guys actually don't read what gets posted in these, or other, forums and just blindly post daft comments and complaints, here is a quick reminder of what was said a few months ago:

One of the DT team posted that a large part of the reason for the delay in the release of 4.10 was that Oleg gave DT access to certain in-house software tools and this meant a certain period of catch up time while they learned to use these tools before proceeding with completing the update. From what I could understand of what was posted this was a tricky thing to do and large parts of the 4.10 content had to be started from scratch...(?)

Have you ever tried to learn from scratch a complicated piece of software and then proceeded to create something the size and scope of what 4.10 is supposed to be with that software, and all in your spare time, i.e. when you are not working to pay the bills, feed the kids, walk the dog, fix the roof, etc, etc, etc? I very much doubt most of you would say yes - I certainly have never done anything like that, but I'm not surprised that it's taken a while for these guys to complete the work!

And I'm definately not surprised that they aren't overly talkative with you guys. If I was on the team I wouldn't come near this place as I'd likely end up wanting to firebomb your homes after reading all the BS you guys write!

[Skoshi Tiger]

Okay, in case you guys actually don't read what gets posted in these, or other, forums and just blindly post daft comments and complaints, here is a quick reminder of what was said a few months ago:

One of the DT team posted that a large part of the reason for the delay in the release of 4.10 was that Oleg gave DT access to certain in-house software tools and this meant a certain period of catch up time while they learned to use these tools before proceeding with completing the update. From what I could understand of what was posted this was a tricky thing to do and large parts of the 4.10 content had to be started from scratch...(?)

Have you ever tried to learn from scratch a complicated piece of software and then proceeded to create something the size and scope of what 4.10 is supposed to be with that software, and all in your spare time, i.e. when you are not working to pay the bills, feed the kids, walk the dog, fix the roof, etc, etc, etc? I very much doubt most of you would say yes - I certainly have never done anything like that, but I'm not surprised that it's taken a while for these guys to complete the work!

And I'm definately not surprised that they aren't overly talkative with you guys. If I was on the team I wouldn't come near this place as I'd likely end up wanting to firebomb your homes after reading all the BS you guys write!

Quick note to self - Don't annoy TOOZ! ;)

TD have done a fantastic job in the past. I sure when they finish the new patch it'll add a whole new lease of life to IL2. Keep up the good work TD!

Cheers!

[SaQSoN]

If I was on the team I wouldn't come near this place as I'd likely end up wanting to firebomb your homes after reading all the BS you guys write!

No, not likely. DT members are not that bloodthirsty. They rather come here to read all those BS comments for a good laugh. :grin:

So, no need to fight, just let people make fools of themselves - it is much more effective and costs less of your energy. :cool:

[=69.GIAP=TOOZ]

No, not likely. DT members are not that bloodthirsty. They rather come here to read all those BS comments for a good laugh. :grin:

So, no need to fight, just let people make fools of themselves - it is much more effective and costs less of your energy. :cool:

Well, that's probably a good reason why I am not on any kind of dev team for anything! ;)

[Ltbear]

I have to say that reading some posts here realy get me to remember why i stopped modding games.

Way better to just enjoy the work my self instead of having the "i want`ers" in the buttz...

DT. Take your time.....Time = quality

Tbear

[Qpassa]

Quick note to self - Don't annoy TOOZ! ;)

TD have done a fantastic job in the past. I sure when they finish the new patch it'll add a whole new lease of life to IL2. Keep up the good work TD!

Cheers!

Absolutely agree

[RayVad]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger
Quick note to self - Don't annoy TOOZ!

TD have done a fantastic job in the past. I sure when they finish the new patch it'll add a whole new lease of life to IL2. Keep up the good work TD!

Cheers!
Absolutely agree

I do absolutely agree also!

But please DT, sometimes a short update of progress would be nice.
Even if it would be: "we only did drink beer this week"

[MicroWave]

Every week we find a new bug. Solve it, another one pops up.

We are planing a closed Online event this weekend.

We also try to have a personal life. Some are more successful in that department than the others. Some even work on jobs unrelated to Il2 and get paid for it! Go figure.

None of us is willing to speculate when the patch will be ready for release. One guess was enough.

That's all.

BTW, all that speculation that Oleg is prohibiting something in 4.10 is funny. We love conspiracy theories. Keep up with it. :rolleyes:

[RayVad]

MicroWave you are the man!!!

Thanks for your update to all of us!
Everybody happy now again for a while!?! :)

[BadAim]

Actually what has happened is that Oleg was so jealous over DT's success that he hired a hit squad of ex KGB agents to whack them all. They are now holed up in a safe-house in Istanbul trying to squash bugs on their laptops. They can only get messages out rarely, that's why we don't hear from them much. ;)

[_RAAF_Smouch]

Every week we find a new bug. Solve it, another one pops up.


Thanks for the info Micro :grin:

If you guys need it I think I might have a few cans of Mortien laying around for those pesky bugs :-P

[rjhill899]

MBA student? You really seem a bit obsessed with that term.

No, have not been a student for many years now.
What you call obsession, is a very good way to organise anything that needs to be completed in a timely and cost effective manner.

About the same way you would do a budget to know what you have coming in and what you have going out, therefore knowing what you can and cannot afford.

They did not promise anything and it can be taken for granted that any free-time development will have a higher rate of delays because of real-life issues. The current status is that they are testing and as long as no other information is given this stands, so I fail to see the benefit of repeating that time and again. Even if they did this wouldn't make a difference to the people suffering from "spoiled brat syndrome" as they would still demand further explanations and justifications, and come up with the usual conspiracy theories. Been there, done that.

I see your point to a certain degree, especially concerning the "spoiled brat syndrome" but not with the current status part. For all we know they had to ditch the code or just decided to drop the project, oh sorry, "patch".

[rjhill899]

Thanks MicroWave.

the update means a lot to many of us.

[rjhill899]

Okay, in case you guys actually don't read what gets posted in these, or other, forums and just blindly post daft comments and complaints, here is a quick reminder of what was said a few months ago:!
I read them all before posting anything

One of the DT team posted that a large part of the reason for the delay in the release of 4.10 was that Oleg gave DT access to certain in-house software tools and this meant a certain period of catch up time while they learned to use these tools before proceeding with completing the update. From what I could understand of what was posted this was a tricky thing to do and large parts of the 4.10 content had to be started from scratch...(?)

Have you ever tried to learn from scratch a complicated piece of software and then proceeded to create something the size and scope of what 4.10 is supposed to be with that software, and all in your spare time, i.e. when you are not working to pay the bills, feed the kids, walk the dog, fix the roof, etc, etc, etc? I very much doubt most of you would say yes - I certainly have never done anything like that, but I'm not surprised that it's taken a while for these guys to complete the work!!

Actually yes, I have and still do whenever the need arises. But I do not do it in the middle or near the end of the project I am working on unless it is a have to situation.

I also work a full time job and do outside projects for family, friends and the like all the time. This is my free time and I manage it very well.

And I'm definately not surprised that they aren't overly talkative with you guys. If I was on the team I wouldn't come near this place as I'd likely end up wanting to firebomb your homes after reading all the BS you guys write!

Wasn't asking for a long heart to heart conversation, was just looking for an update of something along the lines, "hey everyone, we still working on it".
MicroWave has done that and it is greatly appreciated.

[KWM_Schnaps]

Thank you Microwave!
Now we can return to our conspiracy stories to keep you laughing during your bug hunt!;)

[Insuber]

Microwave ? Didn't know anyone with this name at DT ... could be that the mastermind of the conspiracy pops out to ridiculize the conspiracy theories? :D

Kidding of course ... keep up the good work .. and your private lives above all my friends ... ;)

[Qpassa]

Thank you Microwave!
Now we can return to our conspiracy stories to keep you laughing during your bug hunt!;)

http://snarkerati.com/movie-news/files/2008/04/x-files-believe1.jpg
:grin:

[bf-110]

Every week we find a new bug. Solve it, another one pops up.



Good to know there are only minor bugs,nothing so serious.(I suppose)

Actually what has happened is that Oleg was so jealous over DT's success that he hired a hit squad of ex KGB agents to whack them all. They are now holed up in a safe-house in Istanbul trying to squash bugs on their laptops. They can only get messages out rarely, that's why we don't hear from them much. ;)

It was Agent 47,actually.

[Aximand]

Hello TD, can you make a litle perview: what is new in th 4.10 since last sireous update?

[MD_Titus]

less bugs?

[KWM_Schnaps]

http://snarkerati.com/movie-news/files/2008/04/x-files-believe1.jpg
:grin:

;)

[StrykerXCIV]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbcKWAsaMHs&feature=sub

[ImpalerNL]

Wow,that is what we are waiting for.

Good job TD

[Florinm352]

Something tells me that we won't see the patch released until mid January...

[Sita]

Nice IAR and P11!!! )))

[ElAurens]

Thanks!

[_RAAF_Smouch]

Something tells me that we won't see the patch released until mid January...

I bet it's closer than you think.

Anywho great Vid from the guys at TD. Look forward to the next instalment. Keep up the great work guys

[stugumby]

I wonder if the Fw-200 and he-111-12 will be flyable, seems odd to hang a AI missile under them and not be able to use them. I also noticed a possible spitfire MK9 small tail in the video. Looks yummy cant wait.

[Florinm352]

I bet it's closer than you think.


"I want it all and I want it now!", but we'll all have to wait. And I'll take that bet. But you should know that my source is rarely mistaken.

[DKoor]

So what if it's January? Considering how long we are already waiting that's really soon.

2c

[76.IAP-Blackbird]

The He-111 will be flyable I think, the Fw-200 not, haven`t seen any cockpit images so far ;)

[anikollag]

Thanks ! Nice stuff!

[julien673]

The He-111 will be flyable I think, the Fw-200 not, haven`t seen any cockpit images so far ;)

I can t belive the he 111 will be flyable ..mdr

[koivis]

I can t belive the he 111 will be flyable ..mdr

Ehh, if "mdr" is "lol" in French, I think you have not understood what is meant by "he 111". It's of course the NEW version He 111H-12, variant armed with the guided bombs. Other planes in the patch armed with those (the new Do 217 and Fw 200) will not be flyable. The H-12 will obviously be converted from the old model, requiring less work than making a new cockpit from scratch.

[Xilon_x]

Dear daidalos team loock whit attenction this airplane.
3864
now loock this real photo
3865
this is a bug please daidalos adjust the tube of pitot' to just side tank you.
3866

[Wutz]

That Xilon_x guy is just a troll he always posts stupid stuff like that. I wonder if he has even IL2 1946 or is just pinching other peoples screen shots?

[Foo'bar]

Well, I would agree that the pitot tube is placed too high at MG model.

http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/13-model-series-3-starboard.jpg
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/4735/9zmdxmpb.jpg

[OberstDanjeje]

Yes, the Venturi Tube is too high

[SaQSoN]

Well, I would agree that the pitot tube is placed too high at MG model.


It is not MG model. It was built by enthusiast 3rd party modeler. Also, the plane on the screenshot and on the drawing - are different version.

[Fafnir_6]

It is not MG model. It was built by enthusiast 3rd party modeler. Also, the plane on the screenshot and on the drawing - are different version.

True...But we are getting a G.50 in 4.10m with the Italian-style spinner. Perhaps the pitot could also be moved when the Italian spinner is selected (this sounds like a relatively straight-forward change to make). In any case, I think Xilon has a point here, at least about RA G.50s.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

[SaQSoN]

Perhaps the pitot could also be moved

It's not Pitot. It's Venturi tube, used to power the mother-gyrocompass.

[Xilon_x]

This is original skin of MARIO BONZANO Battle of brittain fiat g 50s
http://www.ronnybarprofiles.com/db_media/images/producto/19_ampliacion.jpg

[Xilon_x]

Yes sorry guys my ignorance not pitot tube but venturi tube.
http://kiremonger.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/venturi_thumb.jpg?w=338&h=168http://www.theplanetrader.com/wp-content/uploads/Venturi%20Tube.jpg

[IMG]http://pages.prodigy.net/bderoes/calculus/epsilon_delta/venturiTube.gif
http://pages.prodigy.net/bderoes/calculus/epsilon_delta/venturiTube.html
Dear daidalos team loock the section
3871
3872

[rjhill899]

Thanks for the update. Looks great.

[Jack_Aubrey]

I would like to see some better AI for ground and naval unit, it doesn't seem reallistic that a under attack ship keep the same course it would be wonderfull to see the ship trying to avoid the torp; right now i have to see the time that the torp planes get to the fleet and make them avoid the torp by changing their course at the FMB.

[ElAurens]

It was explained some time ago that ships are not AI controlled. They only can follow a pre-determined course. The only way they can react to enemy action is to fire, or not fire, their weapons.

They will not even maneuver to aviod collisions with their own unit members.

[Bobb4]

It was explained some time ago that ships are not AI controlled. They only can follow a pre-determined course. The only way they can react to enemy action is to fire, or not fire, their weapons.

They will not even maneuver to aviod collisions with their own unit members.

Hopefully modders either 3rd party or subcontracted will soon fix that.
I am sure once the full scope of the entire game hits modders will be in heaven ;)

[bf-110]

I would like to see some better AI for ground and naval unit, it doesn't seem reallistic that a under attack ship keep the same course it would be wonderfull to see the ship trying to avoid the torp; right now i have to see the time that the torp planes get to the fleet and make them avoid the torp by changing their course at the FMB.

Avoiding the torpedo would be a kinda difficult,since ships handling and speed...

But I never noticed ships could collide.

[ElAurens]

If you are building a complex mission in the FMB, with lots of ships moving about, crossing paths, starting at different times, etc... It can happen.

I did a bit of the beta testing for "White Sun, Blue Sky" and the very first problem I found was a carrier hitting a freighter at the mouth of Pearl Harbor. Both ships sank.

It happens.

[WTE_Galway]

It was explained some time ago that ships are not AI controlled. They only can follow a pre-determined course. The only way they can react to enemy action is to fire, or not fire, their weapons.

They will not even maneuver to aviod collisions with their own unit members.

Having a trigger in FMB which causes carriers to launch fighter cover when threatened would make naval missions a lot more interesting.

Lighting on ships that moves with the ship would be wonderful indeed.

[ElAurens]

Good ideas, though I doubt that ships in a combat zone would be showing any lights.

It's something I pray for when driving my sub in SH4...

:grin:

[WTE_Galway]

This is original skin of MARIO BONZANO Battle of brittain fiat g 50s


1. March 41 is after the Battle of Britain.

2. This is a TD thread about IL2. The Battle of Britain is SOW. So wrong thread.


If you really want info on the Italian involvement this is a good start:

http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/falco_bob.htm

Lots of info on squadrons and personnel including historical formations.

This bit was interesting :D

Evidence from bomber wreckage revealed an extraordinarily large crew of six, all wearing tin hats and armed with rifles and bayonets.

perhaps TD could model bayonets and rifles on the Italian bomber crews ;)

[Xilon_x]

WTE_Galway i loock thaht link 2 years ago' tank you for your appointement.

i present the little bug for fiat g50 desine and i present the original desine and model of fiat g50 whit real photo oK? fiat g50 stay in spain stay also in battle of brittain stay in africa and Balcans.this is not wrong tread i subscribe to DAIDALOS team ok? not exist in the 1c forums the tread "bugs and wrong desine of il-2 sturmovik 1946" tank you.

[easytarget3]

I just say, AWSOME STUFF, you rock guys, the last video update just blew my head off, wounds affecting the flight,you are wicked wizards, is amazing how much you are able to squeeze out of the il2 engine and how skillful programmers and other guys you have.I am so looking forward to this update, thank you!!!

[Jaguar]

Good ideas, though I doubt that ships in a combat zone would be showing any lights.

It's something I pray for when driving my sub in SH4...

:grin:

Not to be sarcastic but how do you think the naval ships kept from colliding at sea? Even the most modern Aircaft carrires have low level lighting for the air crews.
Hear is just a quick find

http://www.gwpda.org/naval/lights.htm

Anchors away my Boys Anchors away, until we met again we sail at break of day........

[bf-110]

If you are building a complex mission in the FMB, with lots of ships moving about, crossing paths, starting at different times, etc... It can happen.

I did a bit of the beta testing for "White Sun, Blue Sky" and the very first problem I found was a carrier hitting a freighter at the mouth of Pearl Harbor. Both ships sank.

It happens.

Now that was sarcastic...

IDK if WWII ships already had complex light systems like modern ones.

[Xilon_x]

the ww2 the ship use light and airplane use bengala for light in the night BENGALA you remember the tube launcher to spitfire? yes launch bengala for light in the sky also swordwish.
loock this english carrier approach to TARANTO in the night and sfordwish use bengala for night attak the italian ship use lights.
this is original video 6 series of movies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiZGklwIqbg&feature=related

[AndyJWest]

...you remember the tube launcher to spitfire?

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrghh! :shock:

[ElAurens]

Now that was sarcastic...

IDK if WWII ships already had complex light systems like modern ones.


I was not being sarcastic. During testing of the campaign made by "Chuck Older" a carrier collided with a freighter at the mouth of Pearl Harbor on the Hawaii map. It was just a course placement error that was done when building the map in the FMB. It's very easy to have these problems if you have ships running very close to each other, as it's quite hard to see their actual course trace in the FMB unless you zoom way in and follow each one. That takes a lot of time on a map with lots of things happening at once. And it's why testing of user made campaigns is essential.

[Romanator21]

Xilon_x:

Oleg maddox i see the BOB immage and spitfire not have TUBE LAUCHER.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e220/Xilon_x/spit23.jpg

This is BOB IMMAGE http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph...ml#Post2886194

For night attak is important the lights FLARE i remeber night attak to Taranto use Flare lgihts for bombing the port of taranto svordwish illumination and night light is veri important.



Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrghh!http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif


"Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" - OM

:) It all makes sense now

[bf-110]

You didn´t get the joke.
When you say it happens,it can in IL2,but not in real life (I strongly believe!)

[Blackdog_kt]

Why are you guys jumping all over his throat? It's a language barrier thing at best and while some of his posts are weird, he also comments in a more straighforward fashion and posts interesting diagrams.

We're on the forum of a Russian developer as members of an international community, but some people seem to expect everyone to have a near perfect command of the English language. The best thing is when some lace their posts with alternating instances of "your" in the place of "you're", or "slang-speak" along the lines of "i should of" instead of "i should have", which makes a non-native speaker like me wonder if they do it on purpose, making mistakes due to being in a hurry or they just weren't that good in spelling to begin with :-P

No offence, but if his posts annoyed me that much or i didn't have anything to respond to him, i'd simply bypass them. Maybe Oleg has to enforce a Russian speaking week from time to time and have us all post here through google translate for his team to point and laugh at, so that we can finally understand that lacking the ability to communicate in a certain language doesn't automatically detract from our right to say our piece or determine the actual validity of our opinion. Not funny when it happens to us i guess :rolleyes:

By the way i can understand what he means just fine. He's talking about tube launched signal or illumination flares, the use of which was both historical and well documented. I don't know if the tube in the Spitfire cut-away diagram is for this purpose, but you can see a similar device on the screenshots of the SoW Wellington posted a few updates back. How do i manage to do it? I read his posts, then look at those pretty pictures he posts to fill in the blanks, the same ones that seem to annoy people so much :grin:

[Romanator21]

No, no, no Blackdog, it's much more than a language barrier. (You say a language barrier at best, but what is it at worst?)

It's not that he doesn't understand English - we still understand him very well - it's just that he posts nothing but meaningless blabber. Have you read his contributions? Ok, to be fair, he posts some nice links and pictures, but 90% of the time it's just...

Well, let's just say that the Spitfire does not have a "tube launcher", and is certainly not made of wood.

[Flying_Nutcase]

Does wounded crew code apply to all aircraft?

Looking good with AI wind effects. :-)

[WTE_Galway]

Well, let's just say that the Spitfire does not have a "tube launcher"

He means the SFC (Signal Flare Chute). In the Spitfire the flare dispenser chute/chutes were situated just above the oxygen tanks. They are not generally fitted to modern warbirds (possibly for legal reasons ?) although the dispenser doors remain.

Here is a thread:

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=73978

As far as I know none of the Il2_1946 aircraft can drop flares even though many in real life (including the Spitfire) could do so.

Its a reasonable suggestion as an addon for TD, though its unclear how many people would ever actually use it.

[_RAAF_Smouch]

...though its unclear how many people would ever actually use it.


Night missions to mark a target?

[ZaltysZ]

Night missions to mark a target?

Optimism :o The main usage would be to signal request for help or to signal "I want to land, don't shoot at me". :)

[Romanator21]

In my reference the signal flares are a six-pack in the very rear of the fuselage, and just before the empennage, firing upwards. The container behind the pilot was for a rubber dinghy.

[Hawker17]

This is a forum guys, everybody's free to contribute in discussions. The problem here is, there's some arrogance. Everybody's here for the same goal, so please help with technical assistance.

[BadAim]

Why are you guys jumping all over his throat? It's a language barrier thing at best and while some of his posts are weird, he also comments in a more straighforward fashion and posts interesting diagrams.

We're on the forum of a Russian developer as members of an international community, but some people seem to expect everyone to have a near perfect command of the English language. The best thing is when some lace their posts with alternating instances of "your" in the place of "you're", or "slang-speak" along the lines of "i should of" instead of "i should have", which makes a non-native speaker like me wonder if they do it on purpose, making mistakes due to being in a hurry or they just weren't that good in spelling to begin with :-P

No offence, but if his posts annoyed me that much or i didn't have anything to respond to him, i'd simply bypass them. Maybe Oleg has to enforce a Russian speaking week from time to time and have us all post here through google translate for his team to point and laugh at, so that we can finally understand that lacking the ability to communicate in a certain language doesn't automatically detract from our right to say our piece or determine the actual validity of our opinion. Not funny when it happens to us i guess :rolleyes:

By the way i can understand what he means just fine. He's talking about tube launched signal or illumination flares, the use of which was both historical and well documented. I don't know if the tube in the Spitfire cut-away diagram is for this purpose, but you can see a similar device on the screenshots of the SoW Wellington posted a few updates back. How do i manage to do it? I read his posts, then look at those pretty pictures he posts to fill in the blanks, the same ones that seem to annoy people so much :grin:

Thank you for calling me out Blackdog, but I insist that my problem is not a language barrier, I understand Xilon perfectly well. My problem is that the vast majority of his posts (at least the ones I've seen) are an insult to Oleg and his team, and often to the whole community. I hate to see people I respect insulted, so it gets me riled up.

But since my own opinion is that the lad is unstable, I should be applying the grace that I have been called to all the more liberally, so this will be my last post on the subject of Xilon. In the future I'll take out my frustration on Tree.....(just kidding! :) ).

P.S: I still wish you guys would stop quoting him though :)

[Blackdog_kt]

I didn't mean to point fingers specifically, it's just a general trend i've seen emerge from time to time and between different posters.

In fact, you being prevented from expressing your annoyance at his posts is just as bad as him being prevented from expressing his opinions.

What i'm trying to convey is that it's not only about what we say, but how we say it as well. If my command of the language allows me to dance around a bit and not step on someone's toes i will do it. That doesn't mean i can't express a disagreement though, i can just be a bit smooth about it and this also gives my ideas a better reception because the other guy won't get defensive.
However, if my command of the languge is insufficient to do that, i might come off as aggressive and insulting when i express a disagreement and people will jump on me ;)

I'm not trying to be back-seat moderator here, i'm just trying to pacify things a bit because a lot of times we get valuable debates devolving into point-scoring matches between people. It's a shame when it happens, as most of the community is knowledgable and they have lots of good information to exhange, so if i can do anything to encourage increasing the signal-to-noise ratio without ruffling people's feathers i try and do something to that effect. Hope this is clear enough and not grounds for a misunderstanding, as the furthest thing from my intentions is to start arguments and troll people. Cheers :grin:

[Xilon_x]

Dear team Daidalos loock the difference from FIAT G50 I series and FIAT G50 II series in this moment IL-2 sturmovik have FIAT G50 I series MISSING II series. TANK YOU.

I series
3898
II series
3899

http://www.zulloweb.org/photo/aviation/RA_AMI/fiat_g50.jpg

http://www.zulloweb.org/photo/aviation/RA_AMI/fiat_g50_g55.jpg
3900
please loock the difference
3901

[Fafnir_6]

Xilon raises another interesting point about the G.50. I know the original G.50that shipped with Forgotten Battles all those years ago would have no need of a sand filter as shown on the pics above. With 4.10, I understand that DT will be correcting the propellor spinner for Italian G.50s to the rounded one seen in the pictures from North Africa while leaving the pointed Finnish spinner as is. Perhaps in 4.11 they could add the sand filter and corrected venturi position in a similar manner.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

[bf-110]

Why the earlier G.50 had closed cockpit and later ones didn´t?
And,is there any plans of TD for adding other versions of the G.50?
The G.50 bis looks different than the one we have in IL2.

[carl]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Why the earlier G.50 had closed cockpit and later ones didn´t?
made jumping out a little quicker for the italians i guess:shock:

[Romanator21]

The Italians didn't like the closed canopy and thought it was restrictive and dangerous. The Mc.200 also had a closed canopy in its initial form. You can also see why "thoroughbreds" (they had a great racing lineage like the Spitfire) like the Mc.200 and G.50 have that horrible hump, spoiling the lines and aerodynamics in order to give pilots the visibility they wanted.

[Xilon_x]

Sorry but i want post the italian fiat g50 for EXPERIMENT CARRIER AQUILA.
loock this photo FIAT G50 for CARRIER.
http://s5.tinypic.com/312ifme.jpg
another photo italian pilots training to landing to carrier.
http://s5.tinypic.com/14lhdtl.jpg
this is GERMAN ARADO 96 in ITALY Perugia city EXPERIMENT for landing to carrier.
http://s5.tinypic.com/2uge420.jpg
ARADO96
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Arado_Ar-96.jpg/800px-Arado_Ar-96.jpg

[Insuber]

The closed cockpit of the first series of the G.50 and Mc.200 had a technical defect, which prevented its opening above a certain speed. Obviously this defect can be deadly in case of plane failure. That's why both Fiat and Macchi preferred to remove it before an adequate technical solution was found. This decision penalized the aerodynamics but solved the visibility issues caused by the low quality plexiglass.
Moreover, the open cockpit allowed an easier escape in case of take-off or landing accidents, which plagued the early G.50's causing several casualties.

And no, Italian pilots didn't jump quicker than their counterparts ...

[Spudkopf]

G’day

Not wishing to appear rude or anything, but this thread should be about Dev’ updates for 4.10 (which is now being bug checked for release) so should not these correction requests be posted in the “Daidalos Team's Room -QUESTIONS AND REQUESTS ONLY on IL2 Authorized Addons” thread - http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=8815 for consideration in future patch development, I mean that where I posted my requests as I thought that was the correct thing to do!

[BadAim]

I didn't mean to point fingers specifically, it's just a general trend i've seen emerge from time to time and between different posters.

In fact, you being prevented from expressing your annoyance at his posts is just as bad as him being prevented from expressing his opinions.

What i'm trying to convey is that it's not only about what we say, but how we say it as well. If my command of the language allows me to dance around a bit and not step on someone's toes i will do it. That doesn't mean i can't express a disagreement though, i can just be a bit smooth about it and this also gives my ideas a better reception because the other guy won't get defensive.
However, if my command of the languge is insufficient to do that, i might come off as aggressive and insulting when i express a disagreement and people will jump on me ;)

I'm not trying to be back-seat moderator here, i'm just trying to pacify things a bit because a lot of times we get valuable debates devolving into point-scoring matches between people. It's a shame when it happens, as most of the community is knowledgable and they have lots of good information to exhange, so if i can do anything to encourage increasing the signal-to-noise ratio without ruffling people's feathers i try and do something to that effect. Hope this is clear enough and not grounds for a misunderstanding, as the furthest thing from my intentions is to start arguments and troll people. Cheers :grin:

I actually meant what I said, Mate. I wasn't living up to my own standards, I appreciate being called out. Keeps me honest.

[Xilon_x]

Ok Ok sorry this is my ultimate photo regard fiat g 50 series sorry Spudkopf and sorry all members i close this argoument.
now you continue whit your argoument tank you DAIDALOS team for loock this little picture regart fiat g 50 tank you bye bye see you later.

[Spudkopf]

Ok Ok sorry this is my ultimate photo regard fiat g 50 series sorry Spudkopf and sorry all members i close this argoument.
now you continue whit your argoument tank you DAIDALOS team for loock this little picture regart fiat g 50 tank you bye bye see you later.

G'day Xilon_x

Please don't get me wrong, I was not saying that you or anyone else for that matter should not post your requests to correct error in models etc, if they are valid then all the better, I was merely pointing out that maybe they belong in the appropriate thread, so DT can hopefully find them easier. At the same time I do agree that there is a need for DT to be informed of potential errors on items they are posting in their updates.

However if the patch is as near to release as I suspect (or should I say hope) then any major modifications may need to be addressed in following patches, which is where the bug and requests threads make the contribution.

[bf-110]

Is that the same reason for the A5M,I-16 and P-26 not having closed cockpits?

And as Xilon said,it would be a dream to have Aquila and Graf Zeppelin with proper planes in IL2...but that´s rather a dream,not a possibility.

[Xilon_x]

yes yes bf-110 if developed carrier Aquila and Graf Zeppelin we canche the course of ww2 story not possible.
but in ww2 another tipe of carrier in europe reall exist.and are operative.

[WTE_Galway]

Graf Zeppelin with proper planes in IL2...but that´s rather a dream,not a possibility.


Yep, especially considering the "proper" planes would be the Messerschmitt bf155 (basically a 109G with folding wings) and the torpedo equipped ju87D. The 155 never got even as far as a prototype.

The Fieseler Fi 167 and 109T people talk so much about were obsolete well before 1942/1943 so they would be totally inappropriate for the period when the historical Graf Zepplin was expected to be complete.

[Hawker17]

Please continue this discussion/request in the appropriate thread. This one's for TD patch updates only.

Thank you.

[Xilon_x]

ok wat do you want call new apropiate Tread?
Bug of il-2 sturmovik?

[ElAurens]

The Graf Zeppelin would have lasted about a week in combat service.

The Germans had no clue about how to operate an aircraft carrier, the types of aircraft necessary to survive a life at sea, or even a clue what a proper surface navy should be.

Now on to what this thread is supposed to be about.

[swiss]

The Graf Zeppelin would have lasted about a week in combat service.

The Germans had no clue about how to operate an aircraft carrier, the types of aircraft necessary to survive a life at sea, or even a clue what a proper surface navy should be.

Now on to what this thread is supposed to be about.

That carrier was meant to serve a sea based recon station(hence the huge guns and armor) - you can't compare it to US or Nippon carriers.;)

[ElAurens]

I understand it's purpose, but my statement still stands.

One ship is a meaningless gesture. It would have been the prime target of the Royal Navy, and USN as well.

The Bismarck and Yamato had big guns and plenty of armor, for all the good it did them.

One week, then a permanent ticket to Davy Jones' Locker.


Be sure.

[JtD]

Oh boy, is there a pill against ignorance?

[ElAurens]

I know JtD, I've been trying to find them for you.

The first step to a cure is acknowledging your problem.

:cool:

[Andric]

http://snarkerati.com/movie-news/files/2008/04/x-files-believe1.jpg
:grin:
it's correctly :grin:

[bf-110]

Oh,no,I mean for 1946 missions.I believe both could be easy to do,since ground models might be easier than planes to code,and both carriers operated same planes that are ingame,just needed to add a hook,new skins and folding wings.

But for now I guess TD should concentrate at more common stuff.

[JG53Frankyboy]

not only for "now" ..........................................

[Seeker]

I wonder if it could be possible to program the AI to perform manouvers?

I've been watching some "Fighting Woodpeckers" video's on Youtube, and I think it could be cool to have some flight display manouvers listed in the QMB to practise formation flying.

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=fighting+wodpeckers&aq=f&oq=#q=fighting+woodpeckers&hl=en&pwst=1&prmd=ivfd&source=univ&tbs=vid:1&tbo=u&ei=CX7eTJXyK8rqOYXb3eIO&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CEUQqwQwAw&fp=bac10b4f492ebe0f

[Ernst]

I visit this forum every 2 weeks. Well... Well... 4.10 is not ready yet? Humphf...:sad: Maybe next 2 weeks. Why i continue lying to myself. Maybe next 2 weeks! Goodbye.

[AndyJWest]

It is time to announce the color of your work on this famous patch 4.10! You have months of delay, you know that thousands of people waiting for this patch and you remain silent. If at least you can not announce a release date, tell us at least on the progress.

Be a bit more communicative please!

Thank you.

Be a bit less obnoxious please.

[Xilon_x]

please please grrrrrrrrrrrrrr i am nervous please we have a moment of patience
DAIDALOS team work for you but you not create the problem to DAIDALOS TEAM please.
you not put real problem of il-2 in this forum you don't analizing your plane you don't have new idea you not have the document photo and tecnical information you don't have the PACIENCE.
please peoples respect DAIDALOS TEAM work for you.

[LukeFF]

I was not insulting anyone here, I only said aloud what everyone thinks everything down!

This is a forum so people can have different opinions thank you to reflect and not respond in this way. People in the team DAIDALOS are large enough to answer for themselves! Thanks again!

You would have found a development update from a couple of DT members this past week if you had bothered to look.

[AndyJWest]

I was not insulting anyone here, I only said aloud what everyone thinks everything down!

This is a forum so people can have different opinions thank you to reflect and not respond in this way. People in the team DAIDALOS are large enough to answer for themselves! Thanks again!

Telling other people what they think is insulting too.

[Viikate]

It is time to announce the color of your work on this famous patch 4.10! You have months of delay, you know that thousands of people waiting for this patch and you remain silent. If at least you can not announce a release date, tell us at least on the progress.


Hello Eddie. Update was posted just week ago here:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=17235

Nearmiss requested that it further updates would be posted as separate threads, since this one is getting quite large and messy. I don't mind if this gets locked. No need to have two update threads. There is still the old "requests" thread and 4.09 bugs thread.

[julien673]

Remember its free.... tks for the work guys ! ! !!

[SlowBurn68]

Remember its free.... tks for the work guys ! ! !!

I agree, consider yourself extremely fortunate for everything this game has given you.

[TeeJay82]

Remember its free.... tks for the work guys ! ! !!

+1

[hallas]

Did they end up getting the multi-crew ability working? I remember that this was supposed to 4.10 but I havent heard much about it now.

[MD_Titus]

Be a bit less obnoxious please.
+1 andy
i just lol at this place. it's quite surreal and shouldn't be taken seriously.

[nearmiss]

Telling other people what they think is insulting too.

Know what you mean...

I just bought a new microwave oven. Everytime it finishes cooking a bell rings and the little screen says... "Enjoy your meal".

Everyone is always telling me what to do. Annoys the heck out of me.

[WTE_Galway]

Know what you mean...

I just bought a new microwave oven. Everytime it finishes cooking a bell rings and the little screen says... "Enjoy your meal".

Everyone is always telling me what to do. Annoys the heck out of me.

haha .. well could be worse, it could play the Macarena instead of ringing a bell :P

Didn't Marvin the paranoid android from hitch-hikers guide have a similar complaint about doors ?

[AndyJWest]

I just bought a new microwave oven. Everytime it finishes cooking a bell rings and the little screen says... "Enjoy your meal".

Everyone is always telling me what to do. Annoys the heck out of me.
:grin:

And then there is "have a nice day". We don't get that too often in the UK though, because the response will very likely be "I'll have whatever sort of day I feel like, thanks!!" :eek:

[JAMF]

haha .. well could be worse, it could play the Macarena instead of ringing a bell :P

Didn't Marvin the paranoid android from hitch-hikers guide have a similar complaint about doors ?The movie had : Ghastly, isn't it? All the doors on this spaceship have been programmed to have a cheery and sunny disposition.

The book : "Ghastly," continued Marvin, "it all is. Absolutely ghastly. Just don't even talk about it. Look at this door," he said, stepping through it. The irony circuits cut into his voice modulator as he mimicked the style of the sales brochure. "All the doors in this spaceship have a cheerful and sunny disposition. It is their pleasure to open for you, and their satisfaction to close again with the knowledge of a job well done."
As the door closed behind them it became apparent that it did indeed have a satisfied sigh-like quality to it. "Hummmmmmmyummmmmmm ah!" it said.

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Did they end up getting the multi-crew ability working? I remember that this was supposed to 4.10 but I havent heard much about it now.

Due to various problems with MDS features, some of them had to be postponed, including multicrew (a shame, it was one of my favorites), until we find a solution. Current delay is much about MDS too, so press your thumbs, that at least something of it will stay in in the end.:rolleyes::grin:

Ah... no so funny, I know. Main features are doing fine anyway.

[SG1_Gunkan]

Thanks for the hard work! we want the 4.10 as soon as possible. We love you.

[BadAim]

Damn shame, but to be expected when your trying to wrestle things out of the code it was never meant to do. Here's a toast to going "a line to far".

[Romanator21]

I'm curious if it has anything to do with the basic structure of the game - those .sfs files.

It seems after every update that more are simply tacked on to the existing product. It would seem to me that it could be more beneficial to replace them instead? This could streamline things and keep certain parts of the code from interfering with the new ones, no?

(I'm programming illiterate btw)

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

I'm curious if it has anything to do with the basic structure of the game - those .sfs files.

It seems after every update that more are simply tacked on to the existing product. It would seem to me that it could be more beneficial to replace them instead? This could streamline things and keep certain parts of the code from interfering with the new ones, no?

(I'm programming illiterate btw)


No, that has nothing to do with the SFS files. The reason for new SFS files, added to the game, is simply, that patches need to be small enough for downloading. If we would just edit existing SFS files, you would have to download almost the whole game each time of a patch. And there is no possibility of dynamical file-changing during an installation - so to call incremental file updates.

[Holgersson]

Due to various problems with MDS features, some of them had to be postponed, including multicrew (a shame, it was one of my favorites), until we find a solution. Current delay is much about MDS too, so press your thumbs, that at least something of it will stay in in the end.:rolleyes::grin:

Ah... no so funny, I know. Main features are doing fine anyway.

Oh sh***... :(

MDS is one of the main features in my eyes... the best addition to IL-2 ever. Well, I could live without Multicrew, but moving objects, radar, load-out and spawning restrictions... those are essentials.

Anyway, thank you for the update, Caspar.

[chiefrr73]

What is the meaning of MDS ? Thanks for replie

[zaelu]

Moving Dogfight Server

A dogfight server that has all the features of a standard dgfight server and standard coop server and many many things more...

[flying]

Due to various problems with MDS features, some of them had to be postponed, including multicrew (a shame, it was one of my favorites), until we find a solution. Current delay is much about MDS too, so press your thumbs, that at least something of it will stay in in the end.:rolleyes::grin:

Ah... no so funny, I know. Main features are doing fine anyway.

Truth of delay comes out.My feeling is not good.:rolleyes:

[rga]

As long as the navigation aiding tools are still there, I can live happily without MDS, even without new maps, without some fancy Italian aircrafts, without the winged pig called Hs-129 :)) And just don't forget, 4.10 is only the beginning of the whole new game simulating the night battle over the Reich. Only kids fly in daylight, in good weather, seeing enemy AC from 10km away, diving happily from 9000m and boasting about their kills. Real men find their own way in darkness, using it as the main weapon to sneak behind enemy, coming as close as 100m before firing. I really hope that DT will continue their magnificient works in radar and avionics.
Just want to say thank you DT :D

[Krt_Bong]

As someone who has played with the MDS I can tell you that there are indeed some interesting "bugs" to deal with. It's cool, but it's not perfect. I hope they can figure it out, remember Oleg always maintained that it wasn't possible to do it but maybe it's more likely he knew already the headache that it was going to be to make it work. Getting everybody to "synch" up is just the tip of the iceberg.

[Spudkopf]

As long as the navigation aiding tools are still there, I can live happily without MDS, even without new maps, without some fancy Italian aircrafts, without the winged pig called Hs-129 :)) And just don't forget, 4.10 is only the beginning of the whole new game simulating the night battle over the Reich. Only kids fly in daylight, in good weather, seeing enemy AC from 10km away, diving happily from 9000m and boasting about their kills. Real men find their own way in darkness, using it as the main weapon to sneak behind enemy, coming as close as 100m before firing. I really hope that DT will continue their magnificient works in radar and avionics.
Just want to say thank you DT :D

For me the complete opposite applies, dump everything else just to give me the Hs129, as real men don't hide in the dark they actually fly in the weeds in broad daylight where every man and his dog can have a pot shot at you, both from above and below ;)

[28_Condor]

S!

The MDS there is no an extravagance!

When IL2 was released internet connection not allowed speed enough to put togheter players online and IA in dogfight servers without ruin playability...

Keep today (ten yars after) this siystem is an anachronism, if we can change things through new patchs there is no reason not to do it!

Keep the good work DT! Keep the MDS! ;)

Cheers!

[JG53Frankyboy]

my very PERSONAL opinion about the MDS is the following:
IF it make the biggest proplems and is causing the delay of 4.10 i would skip it !

the biggest and most known dogfightservers in the HL will stay with 4.09 anyway to be compatible with their MODs (and at least UP includes Zutis MDS already).
They will stay with the MODs because they "need" all the flyable planes and stuff that the "default" IL2 has not !

sure, in a time, the MODs will be compatible to 4.10 (with its new FM, navigation ads and so on). And than again these MODs will MOST propably contain Zutis MDS again............

so, why harm with it in an official, default gameversion ?!


as i play online 99,9% COOPs ;) , triggers would be much more interesting :)

[FlyingShark]

I agrea with Frankyboy.
No mather how great the MDS would be, we have to wait for it anyway, if they would release the rest that does work bugfree, then we would at least have all that already. Team Daidalos can still continue working on the MDS and include it in a future patch. After all, they do this for free, without being payed so, who are we to complain if the MDS is not included.

~S~

[hallas]

Due to various problems with MDS features, some of them had to be postponed, including multicrew (a shame, it was one of my favorites), until we find a solution. Current delay is much about MDS too, so press your thumbs, that at least something of it will stay in in the end.:rolleyes::grin:

Ah... no so funny, I know. Main features are doing fine anyway.

bummer. I'm sure im going to love all the other work done on 4.10, but I was really looking forward to the multi-crew as a way to ease my non hardcore flight sim friends into playing il-2 with me. $10 on steam makes it easy for me to give the game away.

Keep up the good work, but try to ram that feature in however you can!

[Fafnir_6]

For me the complete opposite applies, dump everything else just to give me the Hs129, as real men don't hide in the dark they actually fly in the weeds in broad daylight where every man and his dog can have a pot shot at you, both from above and below ;)

Motion seconded :).

Fafnir_6

[ElAurens]

as real men don't hide in the dark they actually fly in the weeds in broad daylight where every man and his dog can have a pot shot at you, both from above and below ;)


You sir sound like BlitzPig material.

;)

[KG26_Alpha]

MDS 1.2 for v4.10

What are the new features of this added/removed please.

As many others who have MDS missions, it would be good to know what needs to be changed using the FMB to keep them usable.

For example:

In the past sometimes mission need tweaking after patches change aircraft performance, but with no mention in the updates read me that anything was changed. but the mission is different because there were changes made we were not told of.

It would be good if we are notified what differences there are in advance, or at the release point so there's no errors in the missions.



Thxz

[Fafnir_6]

MDS 1.2 for v4.10

What are the new features of this added/removed please.

As many others who have MDS missions, it would be good to know what needs to be changed using the FMB to keep them usable.

For example:

In the past sometimes mission need tweaking after patches change aircraft performance, but with no mention in the updates read me that anything was changed. but the mission is different because there were changes made we were not told of.

It would be good if we are notified what differences there are in advance, or at the release point so there's no errors in the missions.



Thxz

Since beta testing is incomplete, it seems unlikely that DT could answer this with certainty right now. My advice would be to wait for the readme.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

[Hawker17]

;) , triggers would be much more interesting :)

I agree. Triggers will be one of the best new features. :)

[Tempest123]

Yes, triggers will be awesome, esp. if they can be incorporated into the dynamic campaign or online war.

[iMattheush]

Hi, it's my first post, so don't hurt me ;P
What's about this patch? It was planned to release half year ago! I believe, patch is going to finish, but when ?
Sorrry for my bad english...

Regards, iMattheush

[IceFire]

Hi, it's my first post, so don't hurt me ;P
What's about this patch? It was planned to release half year ago! I believe, patch is going to finish, but when ?
Sorrry for my bad english...

Regards, iMattheush

Every update since then indicates that it is in testing right now and things are being finished up. It'll be good when it comes... maybe a little while longer yet.

[iMattheush]

Ok, thanks ;)

[flying]

One years more,Where is the 4.10? When will it be released?
Someone of DT can tell me ?

[DD_crash]

When its had its bugs squashed :)

[Avimimus]

Good luck guys!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT4ObtDs0yc
I never new it was so bad - we're approaching nine months. My sympathies...

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

http://activerain.com/image_store/uploads/2/2/0/7/7/ar121022120177022.jpg

:-D

[AndyJWest]

If the bugs are that big, they should be easy to find... :-P

[Tempest123]

So there is one giant bug left then, lol.

[bf-110]

For a big bug use:

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/6469/bigshoe.jpg (http://img577.imageshack.us/i/bigshoe.jpg/)

[ElAurens]

Good to see some humor here.

We all need to relax a bit.

Cheers.

[WTE_Galway]

Bugs ????


You just need a teenaged girl with a golf club ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw6gpF8k4UA

[Romanator21]

90% of the time, a big bug like that is due to a "-" instead of "+". ;)

[JG52Uther]

There must be a bit of pressure to get 4.10 out before SoW. ;)

[FlyingShark]

I think we will all enjoy SoW as wel as 4.10 one day, within a couple of decades:

Telomerase reverses ageing process

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101128/full/news.2010.635.html


~S~

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

LOL! Thanks for some pretty good suggestions here! :-D

[JG53Frankyboy]

BUGs ??
so, Team Daidalos joined the Starship Trooper's Mobile Infantrie :)

[ZaltysZ]

BUGs ??
so, Team Daidalos joined the Starship Trooper's Mobile Infantrie :)

Don't forget to add "Would you like to know more?" :)

[N2O]

The main thing, what not so: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhG_91Tk27k

[Bearcat]

So whats the story here with this ........... How's it coming..? Enough with the humor and what not.. I mean... it's ha ha ha ... but... seriously... whats the story.. anything? Possibly before year end? 4.10 while on my vacation at the end of the month perhaps...?

[Letum]

So whats the story here with this ........... How's it coming..? Enough with the humor and what not.. I mean... it's ha ha ha ... but... seriously... whats the story.. anything? Possibly before year end? 4.10 while on my vacation at the end of the month perhaps...?

Two weeks.

Either that, or when it's done.

[W32Blaster]

Possibly before year end? 4.10 while on my vacation at the end of the month perhaps...?


Dream on ...

[klem]

Two weeks.

Either that, or when it's done.

Sorry, I nodded off a hundred pages back.

Is there any real news about the release date?

[HW3]

Two weeks, be sure.

;)

[FlyingShark]

Sorry, I nodded off a hundred pages back.

Is there any real news about the release date?
I have the impression that asking for release date is not really appreciated by TD.

At least we can have a laugh about it from time to time here.


~S~

[KWM_Schnaps]

Santa may be...:rolleyes:

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

I have the impression that asking for release date is not really appreciated by TD.

At least we can have a laugh about it from time to time here.


~S~

We will release it as soon as we can do. You know, we don't even like it anymore, its starting to stink in our pocket. We'd rather would like to throw it away now, but someone of you might pick it up and hurt himself. Too dangerous. :rolleyes:

[MicroWave]

So whats the story here with this ........... How's it coming..? Enough with the humor and what not.. I mean... it's ha ha ha ... but... seriously... whats the story.. anything? Possibly before year end? 4.10 while on my vacation at the end of the month perhaps...?

I hope it might be released by the end of this year.
But then again, I was hoping for end of the summer release...
It will be released eventually, it's not abandoned or anything like that.

So, the short answer would be something like:
It's possible, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

[Romanator21]

No worries DT, it's a big under-taking.

Take your time, maybe take a vacation from the project if it's starting to "stink in your pockets". It would be bad if you guys got burned out on this.

For everyone else: It will be ready when it will be ready :)

[Feathered_IV]

I appreciate how much work has gone into it by so many people. Trying to weave it all together must be a nightmare. I wish you all luck. Perhaps more frequent, smaller additions would be better than one big one in future.

[JG53Frankyboy]

i personally dont expect the release before end january 2011.
I guess the TD members have more important things to do the last two weeks before Christmas and than in the holidays................at least i hope they have ;)

but a release of the RedMe PDF, as suggested in the past (and partly done already with the Hs129 stuff :) ) would be a nice move. I guess there is lot of reading needed, something for cold,dark winter nights :D

[addman]

I really appreciate all the work that TD has put -still putting- on this patch, I know some people are getting impatient but considering this is a free patch -remember that DLC isn't all free anymore- we can't put demands on the team. Yes! yes! I know it has been said before but I will repeat it as long as people are pestering TD with "when will it be released?!" questions. As long as I GET the patch I'm happy :)

[Bearcat]

I hope it might be released by the end of this year.
But then again, I was hoping for end of the summer release...
It will be released eventually, it's not abandoned or anything like that.

So, the short answer would be something like:
It's possible, but I wouldn't hold my breath.


That's good enough for me... possible but not likely gives me more to wrap my head and hopes around than nothing.. or Easter....

[Asheshouse]

Thanks for the update. Nice to hear things are progressing, even if slowly.

[klem]

I hope it might be released by the end of this year.
But then again, I was hoping for end of the summer release...
It will be released eventually, it's not abandoned or anything like that.

So, the short answer would be something like:
It's possible, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Well that's clear enough, 'not known yet' (but could just beat SoW!). At least it's an answer.

Anyway we have enough to play with for now even if I musn't mention what. TBH it was more out of curiosity and a general irritation with things not coming through quickly enough: SoW, ATI6970 (next week!), my new rig waiting for the latter.

I really must stop reading threads, I'm getting testy.

[Qpassa]

Hope for end year!

[FlyingShark]

We will release it as soon as we can do. You know, we don't even like it anymore, its starting to stink in our pocket. We'd rather would like to throw it away now, but someone of you might pick it up and hurt himself. Too dangerous. :rolleyes:
I wasn't criticising you here, I was just pointing some people to an impression I have (here and on other forums of things not related to Il2). I only wanted to keep the good mood (we can have a laugh from time to time). I know well enough how it goes when developping things (more modest than what you do but I make my own noseart and even there I always find stuff to fix or redo because it doesnt look as good as I first thaught it did).

~S~

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Didn't understand it as that much critics... and tried to be humorous myself. :)