Patch 4.10 - Development Updates by Daidalos Team

[ElAurens]

Be sure.

[Avimimus]

I love seeing this type of post sequence happen repetitively, it really makes me smile:

Poster 1: "Any news? We haven't heard anything for ages!"
Poster 2: "Two weeks! LOL."
Poster 3: "They've told us a million times, they're working on it!"
Poster 4: "Yeah but what could be taking so long?"
Poster 5: "They're doing it in their own time, you should be grateful!"
Poster 6: "Nah, they've given up, the world is ending"
Poster 7: "Yep, give us a Beta, or less content, something, anything!"
Poster 8: "No, take your time, get it right!"
Poster 9: "No, release it now or I'm leaving!!"
TD: "Don't panic, we're working on it."
Poster 9: "Thanks for the update TD!"
Poster 8: "Thanks for the update TD!"
Poster 7: "Thanks for the update TD!"
Poster 6: "Thanks for the update TD!"
Poster 5: "Thanks for the update TD!"
Poster 4: "Thanks for the update TD!"
Poster 3: "Thanks for the update TD!"
Poster 2: "Thanks for the update TD!"
Poster 1: "Thanks for the update TD!"

:grin:

Excellent summary. All I need is to print it up and tape it to the monitor and I won't have to see your pretty mugs anymore ;) :D Ahh... but that would be sanity, right? *sigh*

[major_setback]

Am I missing something? Has there actually been any update since May?
Excuse my ignorance...but I just don't see it.

[IceFire]

Am I missing something? Has there actually been any update since May?
Excuse my ignorance...but I just don't see it.

Several times. Just that there isn't much to tell as it's a matter of testing right now. Testing is one of those boring but necessary things.

[WTE_Galway]

Totally random question ....

Is there any chance that Gibbages Catalina will ever be flyable ?

I had the impression he was 90% there with cockpit and internals way back when -- then it all stopped.

[julien673]

Totally random question ....

Is there any chance that Gibbages Catalina will ever be flyable ?

I had the impression he was 90% there with cockpit and internals way back when -- then it all stopped.

I think is about the compagny wont let her plane for free.. somethink like that not sure

[Avimimus]

Totally random question ....

Is there any chance that Gibbages Catalina will ever be flyable ?

I had the impression he was 90% there with cockpit and internals way back when -- then it all stopped.

I recall Gibbage saying that the Catalina will never be flyable in Il-2's standards (let alone SoW) due to the complexity of the cockpits. However, I also recall him later saying that it was a possibility.

I think it may indeed be very hard to reach Oleg's standards and we may have to rely upon mods to explore this one (including in SoW where it may be possible to produce sub-standard mods).

[bf-110]

Catalina was Consolidated.
Or did they were owned by NG or else?

[WTE_Galway]

Catalina was Consolidated.
Or did they were owned by NG or else?

Consolidated were bought out by McDonnell Douglas who asset stripped the company and closed down operations two years later.

Presumably IP rights for the PBY now rest with McDonnell Douglas.

[Blackdog_kt]

I've flown a very well done Catalina add-on on a friend's FSX installation for many hours. In fact, we once played pilot and co-pilot on a 10 hour flight spread across three evenings, taking turns on the controls over the course of it. It's also among the top three aircraft i choose to fly whenever i visit him and we happen to fire up FSX.

As for the complexity of controls, it's true that the IL-2 way of modelling engine parameters is inadequate to convey how restricting the Cat was. FSX is inadequate in the FM department in some regimes, as well as in simulating floatplanes on the water properly, but since the Catalina has no flaps and no water rudders the developers of that add-on used "invisible" flaps, spoilers, airbrakes and water rudders working against the virtual pilot in order to tune the flight model to the proper difficulty.

I like that bird a lot, but i doubt most people would like flying it in IL-2 if it was done realistically. You need to change your carb heat settings almost every time you change altitude or throttle settings, the engines are operated under some strict limits and it's got so much drag that it's dead slow. No matter what combination of power and cowl flap settings you use, you can't go faster than 110-120 knots IAS without overheating badly. The usual cruising speed is a mere 100 knots, or 180km/h. This is the landing speed of most planes in IL2 and slower than what your car can probably go :grin:

In FSX i just cruise around in it and plan everything in advance, but when flying a mission that simulated firefighting and i had to chop throttles, dive, go full throttle and climb back up over a mountain i ran out of available keyboard shortcuts, crashed and had to refly, this time plannng everything well in advance so that i had time to use the mouse click function. Imagine having to do something similar, but this time you're not dropping water on a forest fire but torpedos against ships that shoot back.

I get excited thinking about the possibiility of seeing it in SoW and doing things like that in a coastal command campaign, but i doubt it's something that will float everyone's boat (or flying boat :-P ).

Even today the restored Cats are neither certified for a modern autopilot because of their contol linkage type and their weird stability, nor flying with a single pilot due to their complexity. The old ones did have an autopilot that worked with vacuum gyros, but on the modern ones this is usually replaced by modern navigation instruments and radios. Also, the old Cats usually had a flight engineer sitting in the centerline wing strut just for keeping the engines within limits, but gradually the controls were moved to the copilot with the engineer's position getting changed to a radio/navigation position for things like long range radio relay, radar scopes and so on.

I'd love to see it make an appearance in IL-2 or SoW, but only if it was possible to convey all that character and even then, i doubt there would be many people willing to fly 10 hour patrols online or have the mission end before they even reach their target. It would be good for single player campaigns though, where we can use time compression.

[WTE_Galway]

I've flown a very well done Catalina add-on on a friend's FSX installation for many hours. In fact, we once played pilot and co-pilot on a 10 hour flight spread across three evenings, taking turns on the controls over the course of it. It's also among the top three aircraft i choose to fly whenever i visit him and we happen to fire up FSX.

As for the complexity of controls, it's true that the IL-2 way of modelling engine parameters is inadequate to convey how restricting the Cat was. FSX is inadequate in the FM department in some regimes, as well as in simulating floatplanes on the water properly, but since the Catalina has no flaps and no water rudders the developers of that add-on used "invisible" flaps, spoilers, airbrakes and water rudders working against the virtual pilot in order to tune the flight model to the proper difficulty.

I like that bird a lot, but i doubt most people would like flying it in IL-2 if it was done realistically. You need to change your carb heat settings almost every time you change altitude or throttle settings, the engines are operated under some strict limits and it's got so much drag that it's dead slow. No matter what combination of power and cowl flap settings you use, you can't go faster than 110-120 knots IAS without overheating badly. The usual cruising speed is a mere 100 knots, or 180km/h. This is the landing speed of most planes in IL2 and slower than what your car can probably go :grin:

In FSX i just cruise around in it and plan everything in advance, but when flying a mission that simulated firefighting and i had to chop throttles, dive, go full throttle and climb back up over a mountain i ran out of available keyboard shortcuts, crashed and had to refly, this time plannng everything well in advance so that i had time to use the mouse click function. Imagine having to do something similar, but this time you're not dropping water on a forest fire but torpedos against ships that shoot back.

I get excited thinking about the possibiility of seeing it in SoW and doing things like that in a coastal command campaign, but i doubt it's something that will float everyone's boat (or flying boat :-P ).

Even today the restored Cats are neither certified for a modern autopilot because of their contol linkage type and their weird stability, nor flying with a single pilot due to their complexity. The old ones did have an autopilot that worked with vacuum gyros, but on the modern ones this is usually replaced by modern navigation instruments and radios. Also, the old Cats usually had a flight engineer sitting in the centerline wing strut just for keeping the engines within limits, but gradually the controls were moved to the copilot with the engineer's position getting changed to a radio/navigation position for things like long range radio relay, radar scopes and so on.

I'd love to see it make an appearance in IL-2 or SoW, but only if it was possible to convey all that character and even then, i doubt there would be many people willing to fly 10 hour patrols online or have the mission end before they even reach their target. It would be good for single player campaigns though, where we can use time compression.



There was a "Black Cat" night ops Catalina at the airshow I was at over the weekend, which is what prompted my original question.

It was hugely popular with the younger kidz who clambered all over it ...


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/clannagh/DSCF3327.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/clannagh/DSCF3332.jpg

[Splitter]

I've flown a very well done Catalina add-on on a friend's FSX installation for many hours. In fact, we once played pilot and co-pilot on a 10 hour flight spread across three evenings, taking turns on the controls over the course of it. It's also among the top three aircraft i choose to fly whenever i visit him and we happen to fire up FSX.

I have flown a couple models in X-Plane and would relate a similar experience. For a single person fying it, it's a big work load.

Handling was just terrible lol. It "wallowed" around whenever you turned unlike just about any other aircraft I tried.

I think the old joke about the Catlinas was that they cruised at 100mph, climbed at 100mph, and dove at 100 mph :). That was my sim experience too.

It's one of those planes that is probably much more suited to a true flight sim as opposed to a combat sim. The work load is just too high for one person in a combat situation.

Splitter

[WTE_Galway]

I have flown a couple models in X-Plane and would relate a similar experience. For a single person fying it, it's a big work load.

Handling was just terrible lol. It "wallowed" around whenever you turned unlike just about any other aircraft I tried.

I think the old joke about the Catlinas was that they cruised at 100mph, climbed at 100mph, and dove at 100 mph :). That was my sim experience too.

It's one of those planes that is probably much more suited to a true flight sim as opposed to a combat sim. The work load is just too high for one person in a combat situation.

Splitter

yeah definitely slow here is clip I took over the weekend of a takeoff ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqn7XoLlTw8


I would agree its not a suitable ride for online air-Halo fighter jock types but no seaplanes or big bombers are. That lot just want a big engine and lots of guns.

However I think a lot of people, especially offline players and campaign builders, would love a flyable PBY.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Regarding realism in flying, people want it as long as it suits their needs. Historical accuracy is totally another matter. None of us has the faintest idea how much work flying and managing a plane was, good example that Catalina. Hopefully SoW will give a real kick on the nuts to everyone and make them THINK and RTFM to LEARN. The whiney flight sim crowd needs a wake-up from the lullaby we are living in..and I hope SoW does it.

[Igo kyu]

Hopefully SoW will give a real kick on the nuts to everyone and make them THINK and RTFM to LEARN. The whiney flight sim crowd needs a wake-up from the lullaby we are living in..and I hope SoW does it.
What would the sales of that be? Almost nothing, that's just not a plausible situation, there aren't that many masochists.

[Azimech]

I agree that starting the engine with one button without switching battery, starting fuel pump, priming, setting mags, pre-lube, boosting coil, setting mixture and after starting giving time to warm up, is a bit too easy. And slamming the throttle to max complete with WEP is just weird. As if we do it with our cars, cold starting and afterwards directly ramming the accelerator pedal to the floor and let it stay there. Most (non computerized) cars will lose a head gasket within minutes.

I'd like some more workload. Especially during long boring flights, it's nice to really have to depend on your instruments and to have some random element of engine trouble like icing or spark plug fouling. As with most simmers here, I feel we've got the brains.

[Azimech]

What would the sales of that be? Almost nothing, that's just not a plausible situation, there aren't that many masochists.

We already have multiple options in the IL2 series for decreasing workload like simple engine management and starting all engines at once.

So online, just set the params accordingly to your desired crowd. The more serious, thoughtful simmers, or the airquakers. Just like it is today.

I agree having to read and learn a manual like that of Black Shark is totally beyond the scope of the series.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Igo Kuy, at full real I would expect FULL real, no shortcuts or similar. Do the things by the book, then call it a sim. For those not wanting that there are sure options to make it IL-2ish easy ;) IL-2 even at full difficulty is a lot simplified in many regards, like said above you can firewall the throttle straight from start etc. without ANY consequences. Workload for the pilot is minuscule.

Germans had 1 lever that did it all on Fw190 and Bf109 reducing workload, in IL2 allied planes that have no fuel injection or kommandogerät enjoy precisely the same which is not totally realistic. So the bottom line holds, people like realism that suits their preference ;)

I am gonna fly SoW at full real from the start(regarding engine management, flight model, gunnery or whatever parameters can be adjusted), by the book and reading the frigging manuals ;)

[Blackdog_kt]

The good thing about WWII aircraft is that they are much simpler. In a civilian/modern sim you can have all sorts of different engines, from regular pistons to turboprops to jets and they all have different principles of operation.

In IL2 and SoW all there is is the good old piston engine. It's not a mountain of knowledge, if you learn how piston engines work on one aircraft you've learned it for all aircraft. From that point on the only thing that changes is the operating limits. And if you don't want to remember them either, don't worry, they are clearly marked on the instruments with colored arcs: green=good, yellow=caution, red=bad ;)

I seriously doubt that a bunch of seasoned flight simmers will find it hard to keep a needle within a colored arc after reading the manual once :-P

It's a bit of extra stuff to do on those boring transit legs of the route, it adds an extra dimension to combat because you need to think wether your attack profile will push your engine outside its operating limits and most of all, it's not that difficult to be considered the realm of masochists, it's just as complicated as it needs to be to present a welcome and satisfying challenge when you learn how it works.

In fact, it's dead simple and you don't even have to wait for SoW to see what it's all about. Have a look here if you're interested and you'll see exactly what is not only simplified, but in many cases completely opposite to how things operate betweem IL2 and the real world: http://www.a2asimulations.com/wingsofpower/wop3_p47/downloads/P47_Accusim_Manual.pdf

[Ernst]

The good thing about WWII aircraft is that they are much simpler. In a civilian/modern sim you can have all sorts of different engines, from regular pistons to turboprops to jets and they all have different principles of operation.

In IL2 and SoW all there is is the good old piston engine. It's not a mountain of knowledge, if you learn how piston engines work on one aircraft you've learned it for all aircraft. From that point on the only thing that changes is the operating limits. And if you don't want to remember them either, don't worry, they are clearly marked on the instruments with colored arcs: green=good, yellow=caution, red=bad ;)

I seriously doubt that a bunch of seasoned flight simmers will find it hard to keep a needle within a colored arc after reading the manual once :-P

It's a bit of extra stuff to do on those boring transit legs of the route, it adds an extra dimension to combat because you need to think wether your attack profile will push your engine outside its operating limits and most of all, it's not that difficult to be considered the realm of masochists, it's just as complicated as it needs to be to present a welcome and satisfying challenge when you learn how it works.

In fact, it's dead simple and you don't even have to wait for SoW to see what it's all about. Have a look here if you're interested and you'll see exactly what is not only simplified, but in many cases completely opposite to how things operate betweem IL2 and the real world: http://www.a2asimulations.com/wingsofpower/wop3_p47/downloads/P47_Accusim_Manual.pdf

Very nice. I guess if BoB will simulate all this features. I think more workload over the pilot (like the real thing), more the sim will favour the better pilots most of times than better aircraft. But i am not 100% certain SoW will include this features since until i have seemed more preocupation about graphics.

Il2 does not give to the aircraft historically easy to manage and more features for pilot help any advantage.

[Blackdog_kt]

As for favoring the better pilot, there are a lot of different kinds of better pilots. Some shoot better, some fly better and others prepare better. The first two kinds of pilot are already able to show their skill in IL2. What will change by including realistic systems modelling is that it will enable the third kind of pilots to do the same :grin:

I don't know if SoW will include all that. However, i have a feeling it will be able to include them in the future. We didn't have perfect mode, water=3 and radio navigation in IL2 either back in 2001, but we have the first two now and we're about to get the third one thanks to team daidalos (just to gently steer the discussion back on topic ) ;)

[Flanker35M]

S!

I see what you mean, but if you compare today's piston engines to WW2 ones there is a difference ;) Take a "lawn mower" Lycoming that powers those Cessnas/Pipers and compare to a RR Merlin/Daimler-Benz, the difference is quite huge. Today's engines are low hp without chargers etc. to give affordable flight hours and being reliable/easy to maintain and also air cooled for most part. The WW2 engines were built to deliver power at a wide range of altitudes, mostly liquid cooled and sophisticated in contrsuction, for example the DB600-series had fuel injection etc. To put it like this: Lycoming is the old Beetle engine and the RR/DB is a Formula 1 engine. :D

So operating these engines differs quite a bit as the margins with the "war engines" are smaller and require more attention from the pilot, tedious maintenance to dish out the HP and be somewhat reliable. With the Lycomings and similar the flying and maintenance is VERY simple, requiring less. Done some on Lycomings ;)

So that is what SoW should bring, attention to what you do and how you manage the engine. SoW will bring more high fidelity and also wear & tear, if still in the features. You need to watch those gauges, in IL-2 they are more or less just showing something and you do not have to worry much.

The design philosophy also plays a role in a sim, if modelled. If you compare Hurricane/Spitfire vs Bf109E cockpits, there are more levers and stuff to operate in the RAF birds than in Bf109E, which increases the workload for the pilot. Compare today's HOTAS jets against the older jets and you see the same difference. Less work for the pilot = more of his resources are committed to fighting.

Oh well..the wait is nearing it's end soonish so we will see :D

[Auger73]

The good thing about WWII aircraft is that they are much simpler. In a civilian/modern sim you can have all sorts of different engines, from regular pistons to turboprops to jets and they all have different principles of operation.

In IL2 and SoW all there is is the good old piston engine. It's not a mountain of knowledge, if you learn how piston engines work on one aircraft you've learned it for all aircraft. From that point on the only thing that changes is the operating limits. And if you don't want to remember them either, don't worry, they are clearly marked on the instruments with colored arcs: green=good, yellow=caution, red=bad ;)

I seriously doubt that a bunch of seasoned flight simmers will find it hard to keep a needle within a colored arc after reading the manual once :-P


The principles in operation of a pistone is a more complex than a turbine, whether a turbofan or turboprop. In a turbine the only thing a pilot controls is how much fuel to dump in the flame cans. In a piston engine, you have throttle, mixture, carb heat, and radiator to control.

Over the years, flying has become safer. There are more instruments on a modern aircraft, but they allow you to do things that were impossible in earlier eras (such as 0/0 landings). You may have to learn more instruments, but in the end, it becomes easier to accomplish the same tasks in a modern aircraft. Compare navigating with a hand-cranked hoop ADF vs. GPS.

[Abbeville-Boy]

very good update and good news for all, i hope for thanksgiving or holidays release, thanks oleg

[Blackdog_kt]

The principles in operation of a pistone is a more complex than a turbine, whether a turbofan or turboprop. In a turbine the only thing a pilot controls is how much fuel to dump in the flame cans. In a piston engine, you have throttle, mixture, carb heat, and radiator to control.

Over the years, flying has become safer. There are more instruments on a modern aircraft, but they allow you to do things that were impossible in earlier eras (such as 0/0 landings). You may have to learn more instruments, but in the end, it becomes easier to accomplish the same tasks in a modern aircraft. Compare navigating with a hand-cranked hoop ADF vs. GPS.

I don't disagree with this, it's just that i've been a propeller-head simmer for most of my vitrual flying carreer, so piston engines come naturally to me. The first time i tried a turboprop on a friend's FSX i constantly felt like there was something important that needed to be done and i was forgetting it :grin:

[Splitter]

I don't disagree with this, it's just that i've been a propeller-head simmer for most of my vitrual flying carreer, so piston engines come naturally to me. The first time i tried a turboprop on a friend's FSX i constantly felt like there was something important that needed to be done and i was forgetting it :grin:

Truth. And turboprops feel like cheating. Too much power, hard to damage, very reliable.

Land long? No problem, just reverse the thrust and you will be going backwards in seconds. Rocks on that cloud you just flew into? No problem, just throw on some more throttle and climb over those rocks like a helicopter.

I'm being silly of course because in real life I would rather have a turboprop in most bad situations. That's assuming I could afford the fuel costs.

Splitter

[ElAurens]

The turboprop would be less expensive to operate than a Merlin, P&W, Allison, DB, etc...

[Azimech]

... but have no charm at all. Turbojets, turboprops and turbofans are like flying vacuumcleaners to me. Pulsejets, ramjets and scramjets are even worse.

[ElAurens]

I agree with you totally, but none the less there is a reason why modern piston engined aircraft are now relegated to the bottom of the pecking order.

[WTE_Galway]

... but have no charm at all. Turbojets, turboprops and turbofans are like flying vacuumcleaners to me. Pulsejets, ramjets and scramjets are even worse.


This short youtube clip explains it all (embedding disabled, go to link) ....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkcX0KGIBwk



Anybody can start a turbine, you just need to move a switch from "OFF" to "START," and then remember to move it back to "ON" after a while.

My PC is harder to start.

Cranking a round engine requires skill, finesse and style. On some planes, the pilots are not even allowed to do it.

Turbines start by whining for a while, then give a small lady-like poot then whine louder.

Round engines give a satisfying rattle-rattle, click-click BANG, more rattles, another BANG, a big macho fart or two, more clicks, a lot of smoke and finally a serious low pitched roar.

We like that. It's a guy thing.

When you start a round engine, your mind is engaged and you can concentrate on the flight ahead.

Starting a turbine is like flicking on a ceiling fan: Useful, but hardly exciting.

Turbines don't break often enough, leading to aircrew boredom, complacency and inattention.

A round engine at speed looks and sounds like it's going to blow at any minute. This helps concentrate the mind.

Turbines don't have enough control levers to keep a pilot's attention. There's nothing to fiddle with during the flight.

Turbines smell like a Boy Scout camp full of Coleman lanterns. Round engines smell like God intended flying machines to smell.

[Romanator21]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y5LBUVS1T8 :grin:

[Flanker35M]

S!

Seems that that Dora has not been started for a while. And did they make the checks before start up, rotate the prop a bit etc.Maybe should have tried using external power ;) But when started some damn nice sounds omn that Jumo :D

[Auger73]

Although a turbine in IL-2 is a very different animal from a modern turbine. I suspect it is handled in a pretty realistic manner that increasing the throttle too rapidly can cause an engine fire, and the need for airspeed to provide sufficient cooling.

Taxiing, taking off, and trying to get to a decent altitude at a sufficient airspeed without overheating the engines can be a bit of a challenge. If you are too low and slow, with hot engines, you are really backed into a corner. In multiplayer maps, flying an Ar-234 is almost more about the challenge of operating the engines effectively than dealing with your opponents.

[Flanker35M]

S!

And what we lack in IL-2 in the Me262 is the control of the "onion" in the exhaust as the compressor intake was not adjustable. The "onion" was not an automatic thingy and that partially contributed to the delicate nature of the 262...when pilots achieved a good setting they rarely changed it. In today's jets we have the ECA doing that job. One thing was quite novel for that time though and is used even today. The turbine wings run hot and Germans had a bit of problems with metallurgy during war so they made the turbine wings air cooled thus giving some extra margin.

[ImpalerNL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH1Kct5RCRg

Great sound from this monster, with massive jugs :D
(Skip to 2:50 where the sound is best)

[Blackdog_kt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH1Kct5RCRg

Great sound from this monster, with massive jugs :D
(Skip to 2:50 where the sound is best)

Is that the one nicknamed Fifi? I think it must be it, since it's probably the single flyable example.

I just happened to read a small article about this on a recent issue of the Aeroplane Monthly magazine the other day. The interesting bit about this aircraft is that it doesn't use the original R-3350-23 powerplants because they were troublesome to maintain. What they did was build new engines, taking parts from three different sub-models (or production blocks) of the R-33350 to ensure increased reliability. In order for the custom engines to fit, some cowling modifications were done as well.

I can't recall exact specifications, but if i remember to do it i'll scan the relevant page from the magazine and put it up here tomorrow.

[ElAurens]

Essentially what they did was re-create the R-3350s from a Super Constellation or a B-50.

Totally understandable considering the per hour costs of four R-3350s, and the fact that FIFI is the only flyable example of a B-29 on the planet.

[wayno77]

The B-29 was originally fitted with the Wright R-3350-57AM engine, which had a less-than-desirable reputation since its inception. True to this reputation, FIFI has experienced numerous problems with her engines in the 30-plus years she has been flying with the CAF. Following the discovery of metal shavings in the engine oil, the B-29/B-24 Squadron held a lengthy series of meetings with CAF personnel and experts in the field of aircraft restoration, and the decision was made to not fly the plane again until it could be fitted with engines that are a custom built combination of the R-3350-95W and R-3350-26WD engines. The refit required reworking the engine mounts and some of the engine cowling, making it a lengthy undertaking.


See the rest here: http://commemorativeairforce.org/?page=cms/index&cms_page=1421

[Romanator21]

This thread is going off topic again - let's steer it back...


Daidalos Team when's the patch coming out I want it NOW!! :-P Waaa waaa WAAAA

jk guys ;)

[JtD]

I think it will be there when it's ready, with lots of effort going into elimination of mean bugs at the moment.

[Romanator21]

OK GREAT

Thanks for the update!

:-P Ha ha ha ha

Well, lame attempt at humor fail

Carry on everyone!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAf6GScjiHo

[Bobb4]

I know this has been asked before but what is happening with 4.10?

[Romanator21]

Ha ha ha ha, thanks for playing :grin:

[swiss]

May I borrow Oleg's words?

"Everything is pretty much done and ready, they're just busy with some bugfixing."

:grin:
Sorry, just couldn't resist. No offense.

[crobol]

In my opinion, 4.10 patch will include too many new changes and improvements at the same time (new planes, new navigation systems, new controls, new weapons, MDS...etc)

Maybe a release on 2 parts (4.10.a & 4.10b) will be more easy for developers and also for people to learn those new features slowly....

[SG1_Gunkan]

In my opinion, 4.10 patch will include too many new changes and improvements at the same time (new planes, new navigation systems, new controls, new weapons, MDS...etc)

Maybe a release on 2 parts (4.10.a & 4.10b) will be more easy for developers and also for people to learn those new features slowly....

No please, too much versions online. Make a 4.10 and make it good. We are not in a hurry.

[swiss]

Actually I would like to get it before the release of SoW - after the release I really don't need it anymore, and those Il2 occupied bits will finally be freed.

This leaves two options, and one of them is more desirable than the other. ;)

[Red Dragon-DK]

Actually I would like to get it before the release of SoW - after the release I really don't need it anymore, and those Il2 occupied bits will finally be freed.

This leaves two options, and one of them is more desirable than the other. ;)

I will be flying both. IL2 is still a great sim, with a lot of fun, maps, missions. But mabye in 2 years or more from now, when new campains, airplanes, maps and a lot of stuf is out, it will total dominate and have more than IL2 can offer, it will be gone. Who know?


Cheers and keep up the good working.

~S~

[SG1_Gunkan]

People say the same with very famous second parts of great games. -"I will erase IL2 when BoB appears, blah blah blah". But after some times they told -"I am going to reinstall IL2".

The Neverwinter Comunity (NWN) was waiting like the holy grial the NWN2, and was so BAD that the hole online community (NWN) was wipe out. In BoB, Oleg is thinking too much on third parties and make game profitable (and nobody can blame him!). But Il2 was all about community and free online play.

So, everybody stay relax. What we have NOW is IL2 4.09m. And it's GREAT. Hundrews of planes, weapon combos and maps. And people correcting the planes to make then historical!

Our King is IL2 4.09 + *censored*. So everybody calm down. We have nothing yet but the IL2 reality.

God bless 4.10, no matter when it comes.

[PhilHL]

good words SG1_Gunkan! I agree with you!

I guess SoW will be modable after a few month after release and online play will be hopefully also for free. So basicly it will be like it was with il2 at the beginning.

The only change might be that we will have a more split up SoW online play in the future due to many nonfree 3th party developed stuff.

People were sometimes angry about all the different versions of il2 in the past, even if new versions were for free (like big patches). This will be even more in the future with SoW i guess! Let's hope (and buy SoW when its out) that oleg and team will make enough benefit with SoW that he will be able to develop stuff for SoW by himself.

Better for him, better for us! :)


I personally like 4.10 be out when its ready and not when the whining is at its top!

[Bearcat]

In my opinion, 4.10 patch will include too many new changes and improvements at the same time (new planes, new navigation systems, new controls, new weapons, MDS...etc)

Maybe a release on 2 parts (4.10.a & 4.10b) will be more easy for developers and also for people to learn those new features slowly....

Just release it... and frankly if some of the issues like the ammo belting on the American planes and the known length issue on the Mustang are fixed I might just remain mod free... Although as I have always said in many ways I prefer some of the more functional mods anyway like the ability to set your own default skins and remove the map border etc..

[Drum_tastic]

I have to say that as I beleive that this patch will not support the 6DOF that has been implemented with some of the other ....um...updates available then I think it will be missing out on one of the best things available for bringing the sim to life. In fact for me the 6DOF works better in IL2 than ROF or FSX.

Personally, and this is only personally and in no way detracting from the clever work carried out by the patch 4.10 developers, I am not remotely interested in radar led night fighter operations, as an example.

I guess what I am trying to say, is that with SOW just around the corner and many other add-on sources available out there, how important is this patch anyway? It seems to be all a bit too late.

[PhilHL]

@Drum_tastic:
6DOF will not be implemented because it needs to change every cockpit in il2 to get i good looking, a bit too much work.

[Jaguar]

I think that the work done by DT or TD is and will be excellent. I kind of consider it as research and develpoment for the future of SOW. It is better to have it working in practice rather than just theory. I am not arguing that I want to be the virtual test dummy. I just have to look back and see how many squadrons kept flying CFS2 until Pacific Fighters came out. Many more will continue to fly Il2 until their interest are met in the future additions of SOW. So if my squadron is only interested in the Pacific for example. How long will it be before the Storm of War series adresses that period of the war again? It may be another long wait. I hope that many of the issues that Bearcat has adressed will be fixed in 4.10 or a future patch. The P-51 mustang needs its share of attention from those who have the tools to improve her. I am aware that the word "mod" is a bad thing here. I just think with everything even Mr Oleg can see the wisdom of looking at his creation from a different perspective. Why would he let TD take control of his masterpiece and make improvements if he was not a calculating man.
Hoping for a 2010 release, Go team maddox go!

[ElAurens]

I'm almost beginning to think that the release is being held back because of the imminent release of Storm Of War.

I know it sounds crazy on the face of it, but why bite the hand that feeds you? In a manner of speaking.

[swiss]

I'm almost beginning to think that the release is being held back because of the imminent release of Storm Of War.


It's not crazy it just makes zero sense.
IL is at the end of it's life span, there's no more money to be made with.

And as a competing product to SoW - uh, no.

[reggiane]

I'm not deleting il2 as soon as BOB SOW is out.
Il2 has lots more planes and lots more maps.
O.k. the graphics are becoming very oldfahioned but the gameplay is still a lot of fun.
SOW will only have the battle of Britain(correct?) so when you are bored with this scenario there is not alot more to do in there till the DLC's come out giving more planes and maps.
And waiting for those can take a very long time.
So the modding peoples still do good work trying to keep the old,aging, classic
oldtimer IL2 alive and running.
If only Oleg wasn't so anti modding in the beginning of IL2 we would have had a much improved Il2 years ago. (I know about the online cheating probs. but still )
Look at Oblivion and Fallout3 those games are still great fun years after they ended up in the bargain bin because of the many modders who greatly improved the games.
Kudos for the modders and kudos for the PC. Try modding a PS3 or xbox game nopes not possible so PC rules and will outlive all those crappy consoles ;-)

[IceFire]

I'm almost beginning to think that the release is being held back because of the imminent release of Storm Of War.

I know it sounds crazy on the face of it, but why bite the hand that feeds you? In a manner of speaking.
Sounds a bit conspiracy theoryish :)

It's just a lot of content. Perhaps a little too much bitten off at once.

[Flanker35M]

S!

IL-2 and 4.1x patches are in no way a competitor to SoW as they are not even in same ballpark so a theory of Sow vs 4.10 sounds a bit laughable. Last time TD was localizing the patch and said there was a lot of translation to do etc. and bugs to iron out so it takes time. IL-2 gets more content, bug fixes etc. made for FREE by TD and I appreciate that and can not CLAIM for a set release date. Those who want more planes or whatever just get the player made content incorporated to the game, simple.

So waiting for both 4.10 and SoW..both have their place on my HDD :)

[Red Dragon-DK]

I have to say that as I beleive that this patch will not support the 6DOF that has been implemented with some of the other ....um...updates available then I think it will be missing out on one of the best things available for bringing the sim to life. In fact for me the 6DOF works better in IL2 than ROF or FSX.

Personally, and this is only personally and in no way detracting from the clever work carried out by the patch 4.10 developers, I am not remotely interested in radar led night fighter operations, as an example.

I guess what I am trying to say, is that with SOW just around the corner and many other add-on sources available out there, how important is this patch anyway? It seems to be all a bit too late.

And that is one of the resons mods will live forever + the POOR default sounds!


PhilHL
@Drum_tastic:
6DOF will not be implemented because it needs to change every cockpit in il2 to get i good looking, a bit too much work.

I know they are saying so, but I belive it have been working fine for several years now and there are no reson not add the 6DOF to the sim. (correct me, if Im wrong) I belive its become an obsession not to add it, simply becarse they want all to be perfect looking. But I think it still does with 6DOF on. If all should look perfekt, there was a lot of work to do. Redo all vehicle, roads, rivers, building ect.......
Dont get me wrong. Im not complaining in any way. Im happe with all of it, as it is. Im just saying, that the 6DOF should not be a problem.

[csThor]

Let's put it this way: In a mod nobodycares about a few holes in the cockpit here and there but woe betide Daidalos if we'd introduce 6DOF with these issues. We'd be fried to charcoal by the public outcry what a lousy job we've done there.

Bottom line: Every friggin' cockpit would have to be checked and corrected if necessary, but given the number of cockpits in the game that is a task that would be far too great even for Maddox Games.

[IceFire]

And that is one of the resons mods will live forever + the POOR default sounds!


PhilHL


I know they are saying so, but I belive it have been working fine for several years now and there are no reson not add the 6DOF to the sim. (correct me, if Im wrong) I belive its become an obsession not to add it, simply becarse they want all to be perfect looking. But I think it still does with 6DOF on. If all should look perfekt, there was a lot of work to do. Redo all vehicle, roads, rivers, building ect.......
Dont get me wrong. Im not complaining in any way. Im happe with all of it, as it is. Im just saying, that the 6DOF should not be a problem.

Sure you'd be fine with it but then a dozen other people would be complaining about the lack of detail and inattention to doing things properly. We've seen it happen before :) Nobody will really be ever happy. Storm of War was made with 6DOF in mind so I'm happy to wait for that.

[Flanker35M]

S!

6DOF can be used anyways in form of a player created content after 4.10 and beyond. Nobody complains except those without TrackIR or similar, but again everyone can save up for one or have we forgotten childhood when used to save up for something you really wanted? ;)

So TD has made the choice not to include 6DOF due the cockpits and tremendous work to fix them all. Understandable also the viewpoint of getting a crapton of shinola raining on them if releasing 6DOF without fixing cockpits. Fair enough.

The choice is yours, you can use player made content for it or use the normal view system and stop whining about 6DOF ;)

[Ala13_Kokakolo]

I don't actually like the 6dof, I usually fly with the standart sistem even when I have the option of using 6dof. The 6dof is anoying when you are trying to follow a plane with your sight.

[FC99]

So TD has made the choice not to include 6DOF due the cockpits and tremendous work to fix them all.
Exactly, we have made 6DOF model and it can be added to the sim anytime. If we find acceptable solution for 3d model issues, 6DOF will be included in one of the next patches.

It is not that we don't want 6DOF, like some here suggests,we just need to obey some game industry standards. In mod world you can do whatever you want but on professional level some things are not acceptable.

FC

[Azimech]

Yes, texture clipping is not very beautiful. But, even on a professional level some errors still exist in 4.09 like the wings of the 109 & 190 on a wide FOV. Something the modders have corrected. I wouldn't put 6DOF in it, too much work and there are matters that are more interesting IMHO.

[Red Dragon-DK]

I don't actually like the 6dof, I usually fly with the standart sistem even when I have the option of using 6dof. The 6dof is anoying when you are trying to follow a plane with your sight.

Thats becarse you havent set it up so it work good. Try out this profile. Mabye that can help you.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/n0qmjhzhdim/one2one.xml

That is exelent news. Thank you for this great one.


~S~

[Bearcat]

I have to say that as I beleive that this patch will not support the 6DOF that has been implemented with some of the other ....um...updates available then I think it will be missing out on one of the best things available for bringing the sim to life. In fact for me the 6DOF works better in IL2 than ROF or FSX.

Personally, and this is only personally and in no way detracting from the clever work carried out by the patch 4.10 developers, I am not remotely interested in radar led night fighter operations, as an example.

I guess what I am trying to say, is that with SOW just around the corner and many other add-on sources available out there, how important is this patch anyway? It seems to be all a bit too late.


I agree with your take on the 6DoF.. in fact that is another thing that I mentioned that will keep me ... flavored.

@Drum_tastic:
6DOF will not be implemented because it needs to change every cockpit in il2 to get i good looking, a bit too much work.


I totally disagree.. I think that it can be done within the confines of what we have.. just as it is now... perhaps tightened up a bit. I think that for many who have TIR that will also be an issue. The 6DoF is done pretty well in this sim. Not perfect, but pretty darned good.


I'm almost beginning to think that the release is being held back because of the imminent release of Storm Of War.

I know it sounds crazy on the face of it, but why bite the hand that feeds you? In a manner of speaking.

I don't think so.. I don't think there's one person who flies IL2 now who wont have SoW on their HD in a week after it's release.. I just hope that it doesn't get hacked or that there is some measure to insure that 1C gets paid..

[bf-110]

I guess the gag was really correct.Is patch going to be released Monday?

[Psy06]

Exactly, we have made 6DOF model and it can be added to the sim anytime. If we find acceptable solution for 3d model issues, 6DOF will be included in one of the next patches.
FC

Oh FC why you tell them so optimictic words!

My word, it never happen with Il2. Because in TD nobody was engaged, not engaged and does not intend to engage in pit fixing task. Not any new cockpits already builded and WIP and just planned support 6DOF. At least SaQSoN and me consulted 3dpartys not to do it. If you ask why, little comparsion, for example PE-8 pit w/o 6DOF support weighs 8500 triangles, with 6DOF 15000 tris. It just can't fit with tech specs. Overload Il2 engine out of range mesh & textures couse to game crash. Very easy thing which don't want undestand many modders. BTW famous "paratrooper fail" just such example.
I think it coud be absolutely clear.

[Flanker35M]

S!

There are many cockpits that have the holes fixed and have not caused "overload and crashes" as mentioned. Look at the new Bf109 cockpits for example ;)

[Viikate]

The "holes" in this context are missing polygons because of old cockpit model optimization. For example whole left & right side of Revi missing etc. We are well aware of the camera near-plane clipping problem and mod that fixes it. It was after all the lead programmer of TD who made this fix in the first place.

[Brain32]

ammo belting on the American planes and the known length issue on the Mustang are fixed
Wait a minute, I've been away for a looooong time, I though 50's were fixed with 409m??
Or was I a victim of a mod I didn't know about?

[T}{OR]

Wait a minute, I've been away for a looooong time, I though 50's were fixed with 409m??
Or was I a victim of a mod I didn't know about?

Nothing related to the US ammo type and Mustang FM was changed. I guess the latter. ;)

[Brain32]

Ahh yeah I guess it was some kind of 50 cal mod then. The FM was as I was used to(very good pilot though) but I was suprised watching my wing flying in formation with me after first hit lol

[T}{OR]

Stock FM and .50's would do that in the hands of the skilled pilot. For proof see my 'Mustang' video I made back in 2007. ;)

Having flown Ponies for hundreds of hours I would love to see them fixed, but that won't happy any time soon to my knowledge.

[Brain32]

Cutting the wing of a 190A9 with Mustang3 from more than 500m away? That sure never happened to me. In that night overall I got owned 3 times by US planes each and every time with fatal structural damage - wings fell off.
I don't mind that, I'll adjust, I rarely play anymore as it is so I don't really care ;)

[T}{OR]

If you had seen my video you would see me do it in a P-51B. However, I doubt you were de-winged without a mod-help. But it can be done in stock game. I have done it many times in offline training, and few times online. Hence I DON'T play any more. ;)

EDIT: Here is the link to the video: http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=3435

[ElAurens]

Wrong thread Richie.

:rolleyes:

[Richie]

Right you are ElAurens . Thank you. Deleted it.

[Psy06]

S!

There are many cockpits that have the holes fixed and have not caused "overload and crashes" as mentioned. Look at the new Bf109 cockpits for example ;)

BF-109 cockpits? I don't found any BFs at DT forum, that means all it work uncompatible with Il2 engine. Maybe It can work at some comuters but It can't work at all comuters. Do you see difference?

Do you tested all it at all maps, various airborn & ground, various computers ? Some stability may be appear at hi end computers, but at middle range all it couse unpredictable failures.

[Sita]

4.10 on my calendar :D !!!

[IceFire]

If you had seen my video you would see me do it in a P-51B. However, I doubt you were de-winged without a mod-help. But it can be done in stock game. I have done it many times in offline training, and few times online. Hence I DON'T play any more. ;)

EDIT: Here is the link to the video: http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=3435

If some of you haven't seen this video before... I highly encourage you to watch it. It's one of my favourite IL-2 videos and it's a great example of some excellent flying, great teamwork in places, and it really showcases what the Mustang is capable of with the right pilot at the controls.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Psy06, I use Anto's Bf109 pack + Der Wüstenfuchs Bf109 cockpit pack with 6DOF and have yet to see ANY problems with them on any server I have flown at online. No crashes, no errors, no stutters. Also running just fine on a colleagues lower end machine, using the lower resolution version available.

Anyways back to topic. Eagerly waiting for the new patch :)

[bf-110]

4.10 on my calendar :D !!!

4.10 here too...Any idea of when the patch might be released or in what part the beta testing is?

[Fafnir_6]

Hello all,

I don't currently use track IR (and therefore any 6DoF mods) but I have friends who do (and swear by it). I am wondering...would it be possible to selectively introduce 6DoF for the planes with adequate cockpits only (with the option to disable this completely for online play, if need be). This way, stock flyers could enjoy 6DoF in some of IL-2's many planes while giving DT and their associates time to slowly improve all the other cockpits to 6DoF standard over an acceptably longer time period.

Just a thought,

Fafnir_6

P.S. I fly against Track IR/6DoF pilots a lot and, as long as external views are enabled, no advantage appears to be given either way. Perhaps the online balance could be good enough that way.

[28_Condor]

4.10 here too...Any idea of when the patch might be released or in what part the beta testing is?

Santa Claus will give to us! :lol:

[csThor]

I am wondering...would it be possible to selectively introduce 6DoF for the planes with adequate cockpits only (with the option to disable this completely for online play, if need be).

Given the way this community is (there's constant "my dad's better than your dad because ...", there's overbearing competetiveness, there's constant bickering because of planesets/FMs/DMs/whatever) would you really introduce yet another thing to argue about? ;)

Seriously, this isn't the way to do things. For a Mod this may be acceptable but not if you do things with the blessing of the developer. Daidalos agreed to doing things right or not at all ... no half-@ssed shots from the hip. :cool:

[Fafnir_6]

Given the way this community is (there's constant "my dad's better than your dad because ...", there's overbearing competetiveness, there's constant bickering because of planesets/FMs/DMs/whatever) would you really introduce yet another thing to argue about? ;)

Seriously, this isn't the way to do things. For a Mod this may be acceptable but not if you do things with the blessing of the developer. Daidalos agreed to doing things right or not at all ... no half-@ssed shots from the hip. :cool:

Fair enough. I just thought I'd float the idea for completeness' sake. I try to keep my posts constructive :). Like I said earlier, I don't use 6DoF so there's no skin off my back if it never ends up an official patch.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

[T}{OR]

If some of you haven't seen this video before... I highly encourage you to watch it. It's one of my favourite IL-2 videos and it's a great example of some excellent flying, great teamwork in places, and it really showcases what the Mustang is capable of with the right pilot at the controls.

Thanks IceFire. Nice to see people still remember my movie. :)

Hope to see you in the air once SoW comes out.

[Qpassa]

How is 4.10 development?
Thanks for you effort

[daidalos.team]

How is 4.10 development?


It's going fine. We would like to post the user guide PDF as dev. update as soon as Oleg gives final approval for it.

User guide = full feature list plus own chapters for new planes, main features and everything else that need explaining.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Let's hope we get the PDF for reading while waiting for release. Would be great to dig in to the new features a bit before downloading the patch, to check the features/fixes etc. Good news :)

[Qpassa]

Is going to be released in English , French and German?
Spanish could be added in the next version... ;)

[anikollag]

Great news! :)

[steam]

It's going fine. We would like to post the user guide PDF as dev. update as soon as Oleg gives final approval for it...

Is it means "two weeks" for waiting .pdf ?:)

[Fafnir_6]

It's going fine. We would like to post the user guide PDF as dev. update as soon as Oleg gives final approval for it.

User guide = full feature list plus own chapters for new planes, main features and everything else that need explaining.

Sweeeeeeet. I can't wait :). The patch release must be close.

Cheers and a huge thank you to DT,

Fafnir_6

[_RAAF_Smouch]

Great news TD as everyone else has said.

Cheers guys!!!!

[_RAAF_Stupot]

Sounds great!

Just be warned, I will not be happy unless the manual is released in Swahili.

[Majo]

It's going fine. We would like to post the user guide PDF as dev. update as soon as Oleg gives final approval for it.

Very important information!!!

Thank you.

[bf-110]

Sweeeeeeet. I can't wait :). The patch release must be close.



I guess I already heard this...Fingers crossed now.

[swiss]

Very important information!!!

Thank you.

without any information, lol.


it's ready when it's ready.

[_RAAF_Smouch]

Sounds great!

Just be warned, I will not be happy unless the manual is released in Swahili.

There's always one!! http://www.mission4today.com/images/smiles/243.gif

[Fossil-Goz]

There's always one!! http://www.mission4today.com/images/smiles/243.gif
Skip Swahili. Should be in Strine

Now theres two :)

[csThor]

Keep that up and I'll spend the weekend trying to find another showstopping bug that delays release even more. http://forum.groundandpound.de/images/smilies/evilgrin.gif

[Spudkopf]

Skip Swahili. Should be in Strine

Now theres two :)

Struth mate and fair suck of the sauce bottle, but that'ld be fair dinkum far too hard to do, likely delaying the patch release till next year which would surely give everybody else here the jimmy bricks, Cobba!

[_RAAF_Firestorm]

Struth Spud, that's a ripper yarn from ya cobber! Sounds as true blue as a drunk dingo flippin baby prawns on the backyard barbie up the Alice! Bonza mate! Have another one on me ay?

[WTE_Galway]

Struth mate and fair suck of the sauce bottle, but that'ld be fair dinkum far too hard to do, likely delaying the patch release till next year which would surely give everybody else here the jimmy bricks, Cobba!

nah digger, a pogo grunt in drabs and a bush hat down the local boozer with kangaroos loose in his top paddock could likely tackle it, throw in a case of coldies and don't give the job to any bogans or ferals and everything will be as happy as a wombat on heat

[Romanator21]

O.o You Aussies... Is DT going to have to translate their PDF for you too? :-P

[Romanator21]

My pitiful attempt to translate:

Spudkopf - "My goodness friend, and a reasonable request, but that would be rather difficult to do, likely delaying the release of the patch until next year, which would make everyone else here very upset."

Firestorm - "My goodness Spudkopf, that is a great ___ from you, friend! That sounds as patriotic as _____ flipping shrimp on the barbecue ____! ____friend! Will you allow me to pay for your next drink?

Galway - "No solider (friend), a ___________ at the local pub ________ ought to settle that, as well as a case of beers _______ ________ and everyone will be quite happy. "

:confused:

[Spudkopf]

My pitiful attempt to translate:

Spudkopf - "My goodness friend, and a reasonable request, but that would be rather difficult to do, likely delaying the release of the patch until next year, which would make everyone else here very upset."

Firestorm - "My goodness Spudkopf, that is a great ___ from you, friend! That sounds as patriotic as _____ flipping shrimp on the barbecue ____! ____friend! Will you allow me to pay for your next drink?

Galway - "No solider (friend), a ___________ at the local pub ________ ought to settle that, as well as a case of beers _______ ________ and everyone will be quite happy. "

:confused:

Bugger me, so Romanator21 did you use the Google - Translate button to take a butchers at what us drongos have been writing? If not you must have more cunning than a shit-house rat and deserve a slabofvic for your efforts me china plate.

[Ernst]

People, stop speaking about this patch. When we forget it, it will be released.

[Fafnir_6]

People, stop speaking about this patch. When we forget it, it will be released.

LOL. I see you are applying the ole' watchin'-the-kettle-boil tactic. I don't think the patch is far off based on the interval of the 4.09 readme release to patch release.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

[WTE_Galway]

My pitiful attempt to translate:


Galway - "No solider (friend), a ___________ at the local pub ________ ought to settle that, as well as a case of beers _______ ________ and everyone will be quite happy. "

:confused:

haha .. ok in eurospeak ...

"nah digger, a pogo grunt in drabs and a bush hat down the local boozer with kangaroos loose in his top paddock could likely tackle it, throw in a case of coldies and don't give the job to any bogans or ferals and everything will be as happy as a wombat on heat "

is equivalent to ...

No comrade/fellow-soldier an enlisted man with a safe easy HQ job who wears combat fatigues to the pub because he is actually a bit crazy could do it. Give them a case of beer for the job and make sure they are not rednecks or hippies and it will work out fine.

[ElAurens]

So many of us...

Are so separated...

Because we share...




The language given to us by those pome gits.

:grin:

[Aximand]

Hey there! I'm have a little feeling about this stream of offtoping trash: theme will be closed again on a week or more. We are want to see a .pdf guide dont you?

[Xilon_x]

DEAR DAIDALOS TEAM i request if possible this simple airplane:

Mitsubishi J8M equivalent to german airplane Messerschmitt Me 163 Jet Fighter.
and second request is........
Nakajima J9Y equivalent to german airplane Messerschmitt Me 262
tank you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewoi2KziWR0&feature=related

[Daniël]

Interesting 'what if' scenario, but the Me 163 isn't a jet fighter, it had a rocket engine.

[Sturm_Williger]

Personally I think that failing to release the pdf in Shqip shows total disregard for the user community ;)

Glad to see your efforts are shortly to bear fruit DT, good going !

[1.JaVA_Crusader]

Keep that up and I'll spend the weekend trying to find another showstopping bug that delays release even more. http://forum.groundandpound.de/images/smilies/evilgrin.gif

HIHI LOL! :cool::cool::cool:
black humor is awesome :)

Keep up the good work guys/girls!
when its done, its done! :)

S!

[FlyingShark]

People, stop speaking about this patch. When we forget it, it will be released.
What patch? Is there a patch comming up or something?


~S~

[WWFlybert]

It's going fine. We would like to post the user guide PDF as dev. update as soon as Oleg gives final approval for it.

User guide = full feature list plus own chapters for new planes, main features and everything else that need explaining.

ahhh .. as I recall the User Guide is the last item needing approval before a release :-):cool::-P:cool::-)

[BadAim]

Are we there yet? :P Sorry, I had to.

[bf-110]

What patch? Is there a patch comming up or something?


~S~

Yes.4.10.
New planes,guns,maps and things you would never imagine.
As I didn´t until I discovered 4.09 patch.Funny that some days before I was thinking of how nice would be if IL2 had more planes,like the S.M.79...

[Insuber]

Yes.4.10.
New planes,guns,maps and things you would never imagine.
As I didn´t until I discovered 4.09 patch.Funny that some days before I was thinking of how nice would be if IL2 had more planes,like the S.M.79...

Funny, I cannot remember any patch as well ... did you say 4.10? :D

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

A patch? What patch?

[ElAurens]

A patch? What patch?

http://whyfiles.org/183smoking/images/patch.jpg

[WTE_Galway]

Patch ...

http://aullori.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/lil-patch.jpg

[Spudkopf]

All things being equal we could be worse off, like having to wait for a patch to fix the patch that causes battery drain and daylight saving issues with our iGadgets, an issue that the iPeople do not even acknowledge exists :(

[FlyingShark]

Well, if there's going to be a patch, will it be released when it's ready then?:grin:

~S~

[DD_crash]

no :)

[Glynnux]

....it won't be a patch on 4.11........:!:




Why not just get it finished before it's ready and this thread can be about what's not right...:eek:

[Insuber]

I believe it will be rather a 5.0 ...

[Avimimus]

All things being equal we could be worse off, like having to wait for a patch to fix the patch that causes battery drain and daylight saving issues with our iGadgets, an issue that the iPeople do not even acknowledge exists :(

Spudkopf,

I got an aphasmart for writing on - it is silent, weighs 0.91 kg and can go seven hundred hours on three AA batteries - now that is technology! However, it can only really be used for writing (not multipurpose).

[flying]

A patch? What patch?

Funny!:cool:

[SturmKreator]

when is come out the new patch :confused:????

[Xilon_x]

Daidalos team is Dead. not respond. what is members of daidalos team in this forum?

[Azimech]

I think they won't respond to questions and remarks below a certain value. I think that would be a good idea. The value has dropped or the bar raised, now we need to keep quiet and wait.

No-one of TD has to be reminded how much we want that patch, and no-one of TD has to answer any question about the release date. It's not like we have any influence anyway.

[JG53Harti]

Daidalos team is Dead. not respond. what is members of daidalos team in this forum?

You must be blind :D

[robday]

Daidalos team is Dead. not respond. what is members of daidalos team in this forum?

I presume that they are hard at work bringing us 4.10 and don't have the time, or the inclination to answer such drivel.

[W32Blaster]

It's not like we have any influence anyway.

Well, and that is the hard part of it!

[bf-110]

Cmon,I´m just waiting to say "HABEMUS 4.10!".

[Ernst]

C'mom. Choose the Pope is much more easy. Muhahaha! :twisted:

[IceFire]

Daidalos team is Dead. not respond. what is members of daidalos team in this forum?
They responded a couple of pages ago. What do you want them to do exactly?

[ElAurens]

They responded a couple of pages ago. What do you want them to do exactly?


You know, he want's his German, designed in the 1940s, hypersonic, death ray armed flying saucer crewed by Valkyries, and escorted by sharks with frickin lazer beams.

:rolleyes:

[IceFire]

You know, he want's his German, designed in the 1940s, hypersonic, death ray armed flying saucer crewed by Valkyries, and escorted by sharks with frickin lazer beams.

:rolleyes:
Mmmm that may have to wait for 4.13 :D :evil:

[albx]

Mmmm that may have to wait for 4.13 :D :evil:

wowwwwwwwwwww will the valkyries be NAKED??? pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee :grin:

[Spudkopf]

Spudkopf,

I got an aphasmart for writing on - it is silent, weighs 0.91 kg and can go seven hundred hours on three AA batteries - now that is technology! However, it can only really be used for writing (not multipurpose).

I have the damn iThingy because I wanted a smart-phone (sometimes I'm not sure about the use of that description) that would double as a music player and at the same time being something I could afford, all the other dumb-phone (more accurate description) devices were at the time priced out of this universe, and although I am no Apple fan and totally despise iTunes the 3Gs seemed to tick most the boxes and works quite well when not porked by the makers own patches. And the lack of support outside the US is abysmal to say the least.

Back on topic I have been flying the Ju-87D & G along with the Ju-88A all week, preparing for the delivery of the Hs-129, can’t wait for that baby, in my opinion it should have been flyable from the outset, but having said that if this had been so the cockpit would probably be a little stale looking by now, a bit like that of the Stuka’s, but even with this older cockpit rendering it is still one of my favourites to fly, however after 4.10 this may not be the case ;) so having to wait until now to fly the Hs-129 is in the end really a good thing!

[FlyingShark]

You know, he want's his German, designed in the 1940s, hypersonic, death ray armed flying saucer crewed by Valkyries, and escorted by sharks with frickin lazer beams.

:rolleyes:
Isn't it enough that you already have a FlyingSHark? Now they even want me to shoot lasers too?


~S~

[ElAurens]

Evolve or go extinct my friend.

:grin:

[IceFire]

wowwwwwwwwwww will the valkyries be NAKED??? pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee :grin:

This would bring a whole new meaning to the nature of under or over modeled :cool:

[FlyingShark]

Evolve or go extinct my friend.

:grin:
Sorry but I am from "the old stamp":).



~S~

[Ernst]

Evolve or go extinct my friend.

:grin:


Yes... i am evolving. While i am waiting for 4.10 i am playing pokemons in the Game Boy. Muahahaha. :grin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81gDCOO_lfc

[Buzpilot]

Yes... i am evolving. While i am waiting for 4.10 i am playing pokemons in the Game Boy. Muahahaha.



I prefer something more challenging, while waiting for 4.10 and SOW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGS8Murr9mk

[Ernst]

Was joke. Have you any sense of humour? :grin:

[ZaltysZ]

Was joke. Have you any sense of humour? :grin:

He is joking too. Everyone knows that Pokemons are harder than DCS. ;) :)

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Indeed! Anyone knows, that jetsim pilots are the most funny guys on earth. Did you ever recognise the similarity of 'LOCK' and 'LOL' ? :-D

[N2O]

Respected EJGr.Ost_Caspar, tell please, at what stage now negotiations with Oleg concerning 4.10? The destiny of a patch still dares, or it is already finished on the editings brought by Oleg?
Thanks!

[Bonz]

I've been delaying the release of my campaign World War II Cruise Part 3 based partly on the assumption that the release of 4.10m was about to occur. Any chance that's true?

Bonz... :)

[JG53Frankyboy]

I've been delaying the release of my campaign World War II Cruise Part 3 based partly on the assumption that the release of 4.10m was about to occur. Any chance that's true?

Bonz... :)

can you imagine what we in the VOW missionbuilder team already delayed :D

[W32Blaster]

Since 4.10 wasn´t released this summer, I assume 4.10 will be delayed until SOW ist out for at least 4 month.
Surely 4.10 will sufficiently increase focus on IL2 again wich might not be a very pleasant thing for market launch of SOW.

You never saw down the branch your sitting on ...


Just my personal interpretation of the situation.:cool:

[Insuber]

Unless SoW is delayed also ... who knows?

[IceFire]

Since 4.10 wasn´t released this summer, I assume 4.10 will be delayed until SOW ist out for at least 4 month.
Surely 4.10 will sufficiently increase focus on IL2 again wich might not be a very pleasant thing for market launch of SOW.

You never saw down the branch your sitting on ...


Just my personal interpretation of the situation.:cool:

Storm of War will probably coexist alongside IL-2 for sometime... given the lack of initial diversity. I doubt it'll be bad for a Storm of War release... it'll be such a huge jump up. The only key thing will be release of expansion content within a relatively short period of time after Storm of War comes out.

[swiss]

Since 4.10 wasn´t released this summer, I assume 4.10 will be delayed until SOW ist out for at least 4 month.
Surely 4.10 will sufficiently increase focus on IL2 again wich might not be a very pleasant thing for market launch of SOW.

You never saw down the branch your sitting on ...


Just my personal interpretation of the situation.:cool:

If you were right, we could expect 4.10 in (late) summer 2011.

Oleg said they are almost done with SoW, so you would think they aim for X-mas; however there is no homepage, adds, commercials promo vids or anything
like it around.

Conclusion: 1st quarter 2011 4 SoW

[MicroWave]

Since 4.10 wasn´t released this summer, I assume 4.10 will be delayed until SOW ist out for at least 4 month.
Surely 4.10 will sufficiently increase focus on IL2 again wich might not be a very pleasant thing for market launch of SOW.

You never saw down the branch your sitting on ...


Just my personal interpretation of the situation.:cool:

... and completely wrong.

[W32Blaster]

nice to hear ...:grin:

[tama]

Oh My! I can't see the moment for the 4.10 release.
(Just another not useful message written by the anxiety)
Thank you TD for all the work BTW

[BadAim]

... and completely wrong.

You sadistic bastages really love watching us torture each other doncha'. :P

On the other hand all this prophesying is rather amusing.

Edit: OK I'll give it a try, (presses hand to forehead) I'm seeing something.......wait, here it is.....nah, it was just the Lasagna I had last night.

[Qpassa]

Its a pity that 4.10 have not been released, now we should have 4.11

[robtek]

Well, there is such a thing as "Quality Control", some have it, most don't (at least it seems so).

[BadAim]

Its a pity that 4.10 have not been released, now we should have 4.11

The fact is that when we get 4.10, we will have 4.11, or 4.12 even (at least what should have been left to these numbers) Team Daidalos has already said that they bit off more than they could chew in a reasonable amount of time.

We're going to get a really massive amount of content in this patch, our only cost: to wait awhile.

[bf-110]

4.10 probably won´t be a threat to SoW.As 4.11,4.12,4.13.
Nobody will advocate of SoW just because of the new patches.Even with all the new engine modifications and if they added all the planes and ground objects from SoW.

[Hunden]

Will people still be playing il2 after SOW is released. Im not so sure, at least not in large numbers, I wound't think. So will all the hard work of TD go by the wayside? By the way TD thank you for all your hard work.

[Aviar]

Will people still be playing il2 after SOW is released. Im not so sure, at least not in large numbers, I wound't think. So will all the hard work of TD go by the wayside? By the way TD thank you for all your hard work.



Only time will tell. However, look at how loyal some EAW followers have been. It has endured even while IL-2 has been around.

Also, what percentage of players will have the computer to do SoW real justice? I mean quality settings and busy missions, not just a few planes in the air. It's not fun flying a slide show. I have a lot of players NOW who come into my coops and have problems running IL-2.....and that's a 9 year old game.

And let's not forget that the initial SoW content is very limited. Just a few flyable planes and one big main map, I think. That can get old quickly. Not to mention that players will be missing all their favorite planes in IL-2. We really got spoiled with such a great selection of aircraft.

Personally, I think IL-2 will still be very popular even a few years from now. It's hard to replace a classic...:)

Aviar

[swiss]

. Not to mention that players will be missing all their favorite planes in IL-2.
Aviar

You mean La's, I185 and Ueberspit pilots? :mrgreen:

I hope I don't have to see such FM's ever again.

[Ala13_Kokakolo]

Start computer
Checking if 4.10 has been already relase.... Nope!
Open email from work.
Doing some work.
Checking if 4.10 has been already relase.... Nope!
Doing more work,
Checking if 4.10 has been already relase.... Nope!
Checking facebook
Checking if 4.10 has been already relase.... Nope!
doing more work
lunch
Checking if 4.10 has been already relase.... Nope!
Some work
God, is it already five o'clock?

[Wolkenbeisser]

Start computer
Checking if 4.10 has been already relase.... Nope!
Open email from work.
Doing some work.
Checking if 4.10 has been already relase.... Nope!
Doing more work,
Checking if 4.10 has been already relase.... Nope!
Checking facebook
Checking if 4.10 has been already relase.... Nope!
doing more work
lunch
Checking if 4.10 has been already relase.... Nope!
Some work
God, is it already five o'clock?

And then, @ home:
Eat something with wife and children. Then go to "super-highend-gaming-toy-of-father (SHGTOF)" and...
Checking if 4.10 has been already relase.... Nope!
Bring children to bed (asap). Runing back to (SHGTOF)
Checking if 4.10 has been already relase.... Nope!
Playing a bit IL-2 1946, seeing bombers flying like butterflies. Exit game, and...
Checking if 4.10 has been already relase.... Nope!
God, is it already 01:30?

:-)

[flying]

And then, @ home:
Eat something with wife and children. Then go to "super-highend-gaming-toy-of-father (SHGTOF)" and...
Checking if 4.10 has been already relase.... Nope!
Bring children to bed (asap). Runing back to (SHGTOF)
Checking if 4.10 has been already relase.... Nope!
Playing a bit IL-2 1946, seeing bombers flying like butterflies. Exit game, and...
Checking if 4.10 has been already relase.... Nope!
God, is it already 01:30?

:-)

4.10 is dead.

[rjhill899]

Yes, most people will continue playing IL2 1946 especially with the T.D. Work being done.
SOW will be too limited of a playing field in the beginning for most people even with the great detail work being done in it.

[Kwiatek]

You mean La's, I185 and Ueberspit pilots? :mrgreen:

I hope I don't have to see such FM's ever again.

Yes some true words. But you should mention in ufo category also planes like Fw 190 D-9 (44), 109 G-2 and P-39 D-2.

What i think that Oleg M. should really give free hand for TD. I see that they want to improve these game and take it for more realism level. Probably they have chance to fix also these what before was screw up.

Looking at TD patch 4.10 fixes and promises i see that they really start to improve these old game.

Question is if Oleg M. want it also?

And one more thing im glad that SOW will be at last initialy without russian planes. It have chance to be more historical game then IL2. People have learned a lot with old IL2, planes performacne and characterisic and im sure that they do not give a crap press again.

[BadAim]

I find myself wondering why I come here, I think I might be a bit of a masochist.

[Ernst]

4.10 is dead.

Yes.

But it is not dead wich can eternal lie. And with strange aeons even death can die... In its house at Rlyeh 4.10 awaits dreaming until the stars will be right (or Oleg give his approval).

Ooooooohhhhhhhhhh!

[Ernst]

Some games to play while waiting for 4.10: I love this games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVIdHPG0wYI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m59aO5lSfhk&p=042CA0F481A362F6&playnext=1&index=10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9ywI1SufUs

[Gourmand]

I love F4-U CORSAIR and land on an aircraft carrier
until SOW not have it, i will play both 1946 and SOW...
so a patch 4.10 is welcome and not has-been

[ramstein]

while we wait..
STALKER series is the most fun I have had in a shooter...

[Bearcat]

Will people still be playing il2 after SOW is released. Im not so sure, at least not in large numbers, I wound't think. So will all the hard work of TD go by the wayside? By the way TD thank you for all your hard work.

Absolutely.. Consider that there are still new people coming to this sim.. and given the planeset and the scalabilkity of IL2.. it will be around for a long time.

[bf-110]

while we wait..
STALKER series is the most fun I have had in a shooter...

Stalker rule!And with a mod that gives a full armory of weapons and ultra-realism,oh my...!

Lately I´ve been playing Necrovision.Really dark game.Kinda a CoD World at War of WWI.

[kancerosik]

I presume that they are hard at work bringing us 4.10 and don't have the time, or the inclination to answer such drivel.

yep, sure!!! they were fired from his works trying to launch the patch fast... And they are modelling a Medium russian bomber too!!

incredible....

[=69.GIAP=TOOZ]

And they are modelling a Medium russian bomber too!!

incredible....

Which one?? More bombers would be just fantastic!:!:

[Romanator21]

An Il-4 is in the works, as well as a flyable Pe-8.

[Azimech]

Flyable Pe-8? Whoah! That's the heavy I wished for the most!

[bf-110]

An Il-4 is in the works, as well as a flyable Pe-8.

Are you serious???Where you read that??
That would be...more than awesome!A flyable Pe-8 would be a lot cooler than flying a B-17.

BTW,is there any plans of making the FW-200 flyable?

[LukeFF]

Are you serious???Where you read that??
That would be...more than awesome!A flyable Pe-8 would be a lot cooler than flying a B-17.

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3012487/1/Payable_project_for_flyable_Pe.html

[bf-110]

OMG!
It´s done already!
Why isn´t going to be in 4.10?

[AndyJWest]

OMG!
It´s done already!
Why isn´t going to be in 4.10?

Because it isn't actually 'done already'? Though the 3d modelling looks well advanced, there are other issues to deal with. With 4.10 in its final stages of preparation, adding new content would be inadvisable in any case. It looks like being a real beauty though. :cool:

I expect it will probably be added in the next patch, which hopefully will come relatively quickly as it won't be anything like as complex as 4.10.

[kancerosik]

Which one?? More bombers would be just fantastic!:!:


Was a ironic commet about the needed of a medium russian bomber and about the delay of TD ;)

[SaQSoN]

Because it isn't actually 'done already'?

Exactly. Even 3D modeling isn't finished yet. The new external model is still under development, the fuselage turrets and navigator cockpits are in a very early stage of modeling. Pilot's and engine gondola turrets cockpits are finished in 3D (as you can see on the pictures), but not exported to the game yet.

There are still quite a lot of modeling and programming work left to do, plus development of an accurate FM (which is mostly trial and error and not so fast process).

So, ATM, it is quite far from being finished. Besides, it never was planned for 4.10.

Apart from Pe-8 there are also IL-4 and SB cockpits being developed by another enthusiast Russian modelers. IL-4 cockpit models are also in a quite advanced state ATM, currently their author builds navigator cockpit, while pilot and ventral turret are finished already. SB is in less advanced state, but hopefully will also be finished in time for the next after 4.10 add-on.

[MD_Titus]

You mean La's, I185 and Ueberspit pilots? :mrgreen:

I hope I don't have to see such FM's ever again.

i'm guessing you usually fly blue?

[Azimech]

What I would like the most is the diesel variant of the Pe-8. Unreliable at high altitude or cold weather and no wonder considering the absurd low compression ratio of 13.5 to 1! Loss of a turbocharger would instantly stop the diesel cycle. Still, i'm a diesel junkie and it could be the only diesel engined plane in IL2. The sound of the engines would be comparable with every diesel V12. At least they were economical so missions in IL2 would require a very modest fuel load.

The Ash-82 versions are also nice. Too bad those versions had no gunners in the gondola's.

What I don't understand is the request for 4000 to 6000 USD in donations to finish the project.

[ElAurens]

i'm guessing you usually fly blue?

What was your first clue?

:grin:

To his list I would add the 109K4 C3, 109 G2, Lerche, and the "Salamander".

But who is counting?

:rolleyes:

[IceFire]

OMG!
It´s done already!
Why isn´t going to be in 4.10?

Not anywhere close... This is why modelers sometimes hide from the GP because it's misunderstood how much work is involved. The model has to be done several times over. There are several levels of detail, two damage model states for every unique segment, static parked aircraft state plus destroyed state, and that's just the exterior. Interior modeling is very intricate too and there are so many unique stations in a heavy bomber. Oh and I forgot that you also have to model the shadow levels of detail too.

It's a huge effort and it's moving along at a very fast pace (largely I suspect because Psy has been able to raise funds to pay modelers to do it to specifications).

It'll be spectacular when it arrives but it will be some time yet! Lots and lots of work to do a heavy bomber like this.

[SaQSoN]

What I don't understand is the request for 4000 to 6000 USD in donations to finish the project.

Why? 1000USD per each cockpit model and 1000USD per external model doesn't sound too much, taking in account, that making one cockpit takes from 1 to 3 months of a full-time work. I guess, 1000USD/month is less, then minimal wage for USA, or EU. So what is so difficult to understand?

Oh, I just got it... You, actually, ask, why it is so cheap? :grin:

[Azimech]

Plea for a Pe-8 with diesels (ignore the engine is from a Tiger):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x8f0z-HfRI

What a beautiful music!!!

That's what I call heavenly sounds from hell :)

Edit: it seems the Tigers didn't use diesels but the T34 did.

[bf-110]

Looking at the screens,it looked done.
Anyone know were I can find the SB and IL-4 development SS?
And what other planes are being worked "secretly"?

[jameson]

Azimech, your engine with it's clothes on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY_5c0mBXok

[Azimech]

Thanks Jameson, but that's no diesel.

[Florinm352]

Guys, please forgive me but you are straying waay off topic! And, by the way, the Maybach that powered the Tiger was not a Diesel

[WTE_Galway]

Guys, please forgive me but you are straying waay off topic! And, by the way, the Maybach that powered the Tiger was not a Diesel

Nor was the Maybach HL 120 TRM used in the pzkpfw IV and later pzkpfw III or the Maybach HL 108 TR engine used in early pkzpfw III. German tanks tended to be petrol engines.

The V12 petrol HL 210 P45 and HL 230 P45 were used in both Panthers and Tigers. A good article:

http://www.alanhamby.com/maybach.shtml

.. and yes as usual WAY off topic.

[Azimech]

Not off topic, The subject on the last page was the Pe-8, so I wrote about my wish for the diesel version.

[jameson]

Not sure if these are diesels, probably not as they were quickly replaced. They had longer range but poorer performance apparently. 96 made including 2 prototypes later ones were equipped with radials. Russian comms on this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjP70iHvZ7c&feature=more_related

[Eldur]

Personally, I think IL-2 will still be very popular even a few years from now. It's hard to replace a classic... :)


Il-2 is like WinXP. It won't die by SoWs presence. SoW will replace Il-2 step by step depending on the theatres and planes it offers. If SoW doesn't have it, Il-2 most probably does. In 10 years maybe the SoW series will have replaced Il-2 completely... but until then, everybody still will use Il-2 to fly in theatres that SoW does not have at the given time.

BTW,is there any plans of making the FW-200 flyable?

There was a very good cockpit + gunner stations made by 174ShAP_Kami (Sven Groetsch, he's listed in the credits for aircraft models BTW) back in the FB/AEP times, but apparently Maddox Games did not approve it as it did not meet their technical standards. I don't know if Kami still has the models. They could be used to get it right and finally add the plane flyable. I don't even want to mention that 174ShAP doesn't exist for a very long time now... don't know the name he now uses :D
He also finished a model of the B-29 interior... that one looked great and I remember it everytime I see the crappy mod cockpit out there (sorry for the words, but if compared to Kami's models, it is). Sadly with the same result, not included in AEP :(. Visually these interiors are top notch and I'd really appreciate to see them in Il-2 some time :).

[=69.GIAP=TOOZ]

Was a ironic commet about the needed of a medium russian bomber and about the delay of TD ;)

I wasn't making an ironic comment at all!! I love bombers, I love flying them, I love watching them fly, I love dropping bombs from way up high and trying to hit my target as accurately as I can (I'm not often successfull unfortunately!), and I fly mainly Russian aircraft! So, a flyable Pe-8, a flyable IL-4, and a flyable SB-2 would be really really sweet!!

As to the Pe-8, I remember over the years discussions about trying to get aircraft into the sim and Oleg reporting that sources for cockpits and the like were either non-existent or not of a high enough quality to be able to accurately create the 3d cockpits to make them flyable. I remember specifically Oleg saying that there were no surviving pictures of the Pe-8 cockpit which is why it was never done. It's impressive to see that Psy06 spent three years getting the missing tech data to complete this aircraft!

Anyway, I am happy to see that not everyone is obsessed with single seat fighters!

[bf-110]

As I said one day,any cheap fly sim have FW-190,Bf-109,P-51 and Spitfire,but only IL-2 haves G.50,Re.2000,Do-335,Ki-100...

[Oktoberfest]

6 months of delay... Sending an RFP to get this work finally done ! :evil:

[KG26_Alpha]

I wasn't making an ironic comment at all!! I love bombers, I love flying them, I love watching them fly, I love dropping bombs from way up high and trying to hit my target as accurately as I can (I'm not often successfull unfortunately!), and I fly mainly Russian aircraft! So, a flyable Pe-8, a flyable IL-4, and a flyable SB-2 would be really really sweet!!

As to the Pe-8, I remember over the years discussions about trying to get aircraft into the sim and Oleg reporting that sources for cockpits and the like were either non-existent or not of a high enough quality to be able to accurately create the 3d cockpits to make them flyable. I remember specifically Oleg saying that there were no surviving pictures of the Pe-8 cockpit which is why it was never done. It's impressive to see that Psy06 spent three years getting the missing tech data to complete this aircraft!

Anyway, I am happy to see that not everyone is obsessed with single seat fighters!

+1

[Psy06]

What I would like the most is the diesel variant of the Pe-8.
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3123229/Re_Payable_project_for_flyable.html#Post3123229

[W32Blaster]

It's going fine. We would like to post the user guide PDF as dev. update as soon as Oleg gives final approval for it.


Nearly a month of time now! You guys shure have a talent to torture the once who are waiting.

Just a pitty that I´m no masochist, otherwise I would find it funny to step in here and see nothing than spam (including my own posts)

[KWM_Schnaps]

Obviously, Oleg must be a busy guy:rolleyes:

[JtD]

20 days are not a month, are they? ;)

[Hunden]

It is if your french.:grin:

[robday]

Obviously, Oleg must be a busy guy:rolleyes:

Yes he Is! He's developing SoW BoB. It is Team Daidalos that is producing 4.10

[Qpassa]

Nearly a month of time now! You guys shure have a talent to torture the once who are waiting.

Just a pitty that I´m no masochist, otherwise I would find it funny to step in here and see nothing than spam (including my own posts)

Happy 1 month! :grin:

[_RAAF_Smouch]

Well actually,

4.10 will now be superseded by 4.11 and will be released on the 4th of November :-P

[KG26_Alpha]

Well actually,

4.10 will now be superseded by 4.11 and will be released on the 4th of November :-P

You forgot the year :)

Seriously though are they still adding the Zuti content ?

[=69.GIAP=TOOZ]

Well actually,

4.10 will now be superseded by 4.11 and will be released on the 4th of November :-P

Huh? 4th of November? Really? That would be good, but that's less than two weeks so I don't believe you!!:grin:

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Seriously though are they still adding the Zuti content ?


No. Removing. Thats even harder. :grin::grin::grin:






Just kidding.

[Qpassa]

No. Removing. Thats even harder. :grin::grin::grin:






Just kidding.

:grin:

[28_Condor]

No. Removing. Thats even harder. :grin::grin::grin:






Just kidding.

Pal,

I almost had a heart attack :lol:

[Oktoberfest]

Too bad you posted that schedule for the releases of the patches TD... Now it's getting really frustrating ! You sure you don't want the community to help debugging that thing and get then a quick 4.11 debugged ?

[The Kraken]

Too bad you posted that schedule for the releases of the patches TD... Now it's getting really frustrating ! You sure you don't want the community to help debugging that thing and get then a quick 4.11 debugged ?

Usually it's more difficult (and thus, time-consuming) to fix bugs than to find them.

[kancerosik]

What I don't understand is the request for 4000 to 6000 USD in donations to finish the project.

But only for CCCP planes, German planes are free ;)

[Xilon_x]

actualy il-2 sturmovik 1946 patch 4.09m

SINGLE MISSION:
FINLAND
GERMANY
HUNGARY
IJA
IJN
RAF
RN
ROMANIA
SLOVAKIA
USAAF
USN
USSR

Where are the rest of nation ww2? POLAND? FRANCE? ITALY? NORVAY?GREECE?JUGOSLAVIA? ecc. ec.?

PILOT CAREER:
FINLAND
FRANCE
GERMANY
HUNGARY
IJA
IJN
NL
POLAND
RAAF
RAF
RN
RNZAF
ROMANIA
SLOVAKIA
USAAF
USMC
USN
USSR

also to This place missing ITALY:confused::-x:-x grrrrrrrrrrrrr WHY? missing greece missing all nation.
BUT ITALY IN IL-2 GAME GO WW2? OR ITALY IS IGNORED NATION?ok
and ITALY VOICE PATCH?
and italy photo of pilot? reggiment?

IT-NAME SURNAME PILOT
please DAIDALOS TEAM COMPLETE THIS GAME.

[Xilon_x]

PILOTS
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/4220/il2aarprofile.jpg

De_00 GERMAN
Du_00 ???????
fi_00 FINLAND
fr_00 FRANCE
Hu_00 HUNGARY
Ru1_00 RUSSIAN
Sk_00 SLOVAKIA

and the rest of pilots all nation? italian pilot?
american?
japanese?
English? ECC.EC.

[swiss]

DUtch

[MicroWave]

bla, bla... Italy
bla, bla... Italy

Cut the crap.
Have you downloaded 4.09? Here is the link:
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2871942/SimHQ_Mirror_for_the_409_Patch.html#Post2871942
Check the readme:
New Planes
Avia B-534-IV (flyable)
CW-21 (AI only)
Fokker D.XXI - 5 versions (Only SARJA 3 Early and Late flyable)
Fiat G.55 Series I (early and late - AI only)
I-15bis (AI only)
I-16 Type 5 + Ski version (flyable)
I-16 Type 6 + Ski version (flyable)
Letov S-328 (AI only)
Re.2000 (AI only)
SM.79 (flyable)

Cockpits
MC.200 series 7 and series 7 FB flyable (new cockpit)
MC.200 series 3 (improved original cockpit)

[IceFire]

actualy il-2 sturmovik 1946 patch 4.09m

SINGLE MISSION:
FINLAND
GERMANY
HUNGARY
IJA
IJN
RAF
RN
ROMANIA
SLOVAKIA
USAAF
USN
USSR

Where are the rest of nation ww2? POLAND? FRANCE? ITALY? NORVAY?GREECE?JUGOSLAVIA? ecc. ec.?

PILOT CAREER:
FINLAND
FRANCE
GERMANY
HUNGARY
IJA
IJN
NL
POLAND
RAAF
RAF
RN
RNZAF
ROMANIA
SLOVAKIA
USAAF
USMC
USN
USSR

also to This place missing ITALY:confused::-x:-x grrrrrrrrrrrrr WHY? missing greece missing all nation.
BUT ITALY IN IL-2 GAME GO WW2? OR ITALY IS IGNORED NATION?ok
and ITALY VOICE PATCH?
and italy photo of pilot? reggiment?

IT-NAME SURNAME PILOT
please DAIDALOS TEAM COMPLETE THIS GAME.

You forgot Canada... or is Canada the REAL ignored nation... eh?

:)

[Qpassa]

Also Nationalist Spain fighted in the ww2
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escuadrilla_Azul

[rga]

Dear Team Daidalos, normally I won't make request since I know it rarely changes anything, but today, I want to make a, eh, suggestion.

IIRC, the user guide for 4.10 is very big with many new information involving navigation, blind landing assistance, G-limit, new features of German bombers and many things else. It will take times to read all of this, but it would be very interesting. All we need now is the approval of Oleg, which should not be an issue at all.
So, my suggestion is: can you realease the user guide, just the user guide for us to "study" the new feature before we really do this in our computer?
I know, the delay of 4.10 patch must be due to some serious bugs that take time to fix. The user guide, on the other hand, cannot have bugs, since it's only plain text. If some bugs cannot be fixed, and as the result some certain features are removed: Fine, just add in your user guide: not all features shown here will appear in 4.10. We all understand that.
Last words: for us aviation freaks, learning the new feature of aircraft is as much entertaining as play the game itself.

[Xilon_x]

OK I AM INGIURED ITALY IS THE PRIMARY AXIS NAZION IGNORED IF YOU IGNORE ITALY YOU ALSO IGNORE NAZI-FASCIM HISTORY REMEMBER
THE 3 FIRST IMPORTANT NATION NAZI-FASCIST IS GERMANY-ITALY-JAPAN.
IL-2 sturmovik 1946 IGNORED ITALY ok?
BUT this is only a game arcade for only ALLIED peoples.
immagine if ITALIAN project a new SIMULATOR OF WW2 WHIT THE 3 FIRST AXIS nation GERMANY ITALY JAPAN and after ignore AMERICA or IGNORE ENGLAND or FRANCE you after OFFENDED?

[JtD]

Please remove the caps lock bug and the spelling bugs from your postings.

[W32Blaster]

Hey Xylon, why don´t you go and take an nap, the world looks much more frindly most of the time then ...

Do you have some kind of persecution complex?!
No one has real interest in mobbing Italy does one?!

[Xilon_x]

I'm offended both as a player and as a member of the forum.
information concerning my country ITALY
information on aircraft
Photos and information about battles and air
information on Italian ships
I will write not 'never again' in this forum.
I AM REALLY OFFENDED.
sorry but this day i am very nervous.

[MrBaato]

I will write not 'never again' in this forum.


pls, do us a favor..

[AndyJWest]

THE 3 FIRST IMPORTANT NATION NAZI-FASCIST IS GERMANY-ITALY-JAPAN.
In order of significance in the outcome of the war - GERMANY-JAPAN-ITALY - by any reasonable measure.

Given the relatively small contribution Italy made on the Eastern Front, and their non-participation in the Pacific war, a simulation that was first based on the Eastern Front, and was then expanded to cover the Pacific is unlikely to include a great deal of coverage of Italy's part in the air war. A far larger omission from the sim is the entire Western Front - with the exception of a few minor maps. The Mediterranean/North African front is also largely omitted. In both cases this seems to be at least in part due to 1C:Maddox not wanting IL-2 to compete too directly with SoW:BoB and later updates. The list of aircraft for SoW:BoB indicates that the Italian contribution is if anything overrepresented. I'd be grateful for that.

And just out of curiosity, how many Italians really want to be reminded of their Fascist past?

[LukeFF]

Xilon's posts are so much easier to read when he's on the Ignore list. :P

[klem]

Hmmm..

could it be that Oleg was confused as to which side Italy was on?

Ok Ok I withdraw that remark !

[Insuber]

Thanks God, Xilon_X does not represent Italy ... he's from the planet Xilon, sent in exile in our planet by the local authorities, for obvious reasons.

[Fafnir_6]

Chill....

I enjoy the Italian material that IS available already in IL-2. It is challenging and fun. There is an Italian voice pack, BTW. Send me a PM if you want the link. @DT: maybe this could be included in a future patch?? We have one sexy bomber (SM.79) and 5 different fighters (CR.42, G.50, C.200, C.202, C.205), some with multiple subvariants in game. I'm sure squadrons for the RA would have been added to DGen if that product was still supported (hence my desire for DCG to replace DGEn in a later DT patch). No new planes or squadrons have been added to the dynamic campaigns since the C.200 became flyable like 3 years ago.

Fast forward to the future...

We will be getting the Re.2000 flyable, AI G.55 (2 subvariants) and an AI Re.2002 & CANT Z.1007 in 4.10 alone. This constitutes a significant portion of the new equipment coming in that patch. Daidalos Team has a number of Italian members and I'm sure that 4.10 will not contain the last Italian additions to stock IL-2.

In conclusion, Italians will not be underrepresented in IL-2 when you take future DT content into account (thanks guys!). Any ommissions are largely the result of circumstance over IL-2's long development. I'd say that currently, Italy has similar representation to the U.K. in IL-2.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

[IceFire]

I think it's beyond rational arguments with this guy unfortunately. There's so much new content coming and a significant portion is Italian based... but he's still flying off the wall. It's weird and a bit disturbing.

[BadAim]

Xilon's posts are so much easier to read when he's on the Ignore list. :P
Amen, and Amen. Xilon was my very first Ignore list inductee, for that he holds a very special place in my heart..........PFFFFFFT! :P