Army composition question

[BobMaster]

Hey all,

I recently came across Armored princess, finished it and read there was one beore it called The Legend, so I went and get it aswell and here I am :p

So I have some kind of a problem.
I'm aiming for a animal only army, at the moment my army consists of:
Cyclops
Ancient Ent
Alchemist
Giant
Royal Thorn

I thought of changing the center 3 for the 3 different dragons, but I have been reading some on this forum and it seems they won't be usefull the entire game (haven't been to demonia yet, dont like to swap and switch my army all the time).
So do anyone have some suggestions for me, or just some army building tips in general would help as well, thanks :)

Greetz,
BobMaster

[Razorflame]

read my strategy guide for units

as for your unit combination it's rather weak

i assume your a mage with such unit combination and playing on easy or normal

you have way too many high leadership creatures in your stack

and furthermore they are all pretty slow

and for an all in animal army
i would suggest

werewolf elves
evil beholders
polar bears
devil fishes(their fear attack can do wonders)
royal snakes

but a another bear would also do fine i gues

or fire spiders with spider army if u get the double rings

but either way you gonna have a hard time
animals have low hp
and don't do alot of damage

only evil beholders are worth mentioning due to their special abilities

hypnotise and sleeping gaze

[BobMaster]

Thanks for the reply Razorflame :)

I have been reading your guide and I restarted, currently back at lvl 10, army consists of:
Bowman, Alchemist, Horseman, Cannoneer and Evil Beholder

But I actually ran out of Horsemen some time ago, kinda cheating with those, haven't found a unit to replace them with.
Out of cannoneers as well now, need things to replace them with, managed to open the Creiston mines, but can't attack the castle yet.

[Erkilmarl]

@Razorflame: A stupid question perhaps, but where is the strategy guide located? (Then again, I may leave it unread. Lately I've too often spoiled my fun by reading guides and spoilers of the games.)

[Erkilmarl]

Stupid indeed... I see the guide now.

[Razorflame]

well strategy guides are mostly spoiler free;-)

don't know about mine though ^^

i think there a minor spoilers

^^
and personally i don't care about spoilers i just want to get the max out of a game

doing ALL things possible ^^

[Razorflame]

Thanks for the reply Razorflame :)

I have been reading your guide and I restarted, currently back at lvl 10, army consists of:
Bowman, Alchemist, Horseman, Cannoneer and Evil Beholder

But I actually ran out of Horsemen some time ago, kinda cheating with those, haven't found a unit to replace them with.
Out of cannoneers as well now, need things to replace them with, managed to open the Creiston mines, but can't attack the castle yet.

that attack should be easy
switch bowmen they are the worst achers in game(due to high leadership and low damage)

i would replace them with inqisitors if u have found them(they can ressurect dead stack once in battle)

and if your low on horseman i would swap them with a big stack of royal snakes


alchemist ain'that good for the fight but heck i use them on that battle too :)

unles i find canonneers on the eastern islands :D

[BobMaster]

that attack should be easy
switch bowmen they are the worst achers in game(due to high leadership and low damage)

i would replace them with inqisitors if u have found them(they can ressurect dead stack once in battle)

and if your low on horseman i would swap them with a big stack of royal snakes


alchemist ain'that good for the fight but heck i use them on that battle too :)

unles i find canonneers on the eastern islands :D

I cleared everything, but haven't found any Inquisitors, nor have I found any decent defense spells or ressurect.
Royal snakes die very fast, but guess I have no other option, maybe Guardsmen ?
I have both cannoneers and alchs, best archerunits I found so far and the evil beholders, don't have alot of other options. Though I ran out of cannoneers as well.

I do have another question, I've been using the savegame scanner, and it's nice, but how can I see what I missed and where it actually is, like buried treasure and stuff, there's no explanation for the result of the scan.
Does the scan show me what is left in the game, or does it show me everything, including the things I already used/took ?

[Razorflame]

i don't know about the save scanner

but royal snakes dying fast?!?! you must be doing something wrong then

they got no retaliation which is very nice ^^

guardsman are bad

else you could try griffins
unlimited retaliation

[BobMaster]

but royal snakes dying fast?!?! you must be doing something wrong then
They have pretty low hp and I try to let my tank take all the damage, though I only have Stone Skin for defence


else you could try griffins
unlimited retaliation

If I could reach Duke Sov without much losses I would've been using them long ago ;)
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I usually go for the archers first, then start picking off the melee enemies, but most of the units are fast, so by the time the archers are dead, they have reached my side of the grid.

[Eladimir]

Came from a love of Heros of M&M and loving this game as well.
I wanted to get some opinion on my army so far
Using
Archmages
Werewolf Elves
Swordsman
Ancient Bear
Inquistors

I like the swordsman cause they replaceable most everywhere and I can carry a stack of bears and werewolves in my two reserves. Keep the archers alive and I can roll for a long time without resupplying

Just about to head into Helgas cave so I'll pick up these royal snakes everyone is talking about.

[BobMaster]

Phew,

I managed to do the quests for King Harl and reached the dwarven lands, sort of :p. So got my griffins, and a steady supply of cannoneers and alchemists, still stuck with those bowmen though.

[Razorflame]

They have pretty low hp and I try to let my tank take all the damage, though I only have Stone Skin for defence



If I could reach Duke Sov without much losses I would've been using them long ago ;)
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I usually go for the archers first, then start picking off the melee enemies, but most of the units are fast, so by the time the archers are dead, they have reached my side of the grid.

you should get some archimages and use their shield on top o f stoneskin ^^

eladiimir

your army is reasonable
not my sort of type but then again it might work

3 melee 2 supportive range units(archimages and inqi's don't do alot of damage)

i would switch swordsman for guardsman if u intend to play with that combination

i would replace the bears with horseman since bears are really slow

[Eladimir]

Thanks for the thoughts razor. Just made it to freedom and haven't found a stack of horsemen yet. Besides I'm enjoy the three slower melee.
The swords have a move of 3 and the bears/werewolves can increase they're speed for the round of engagement so things have been working out very well.
I used the have a dragonfly or griffin as a fast troop but I always found I sent him out into enemy territory and he got beat down quite a bit. :)

[Razorflame]

griffins don't die that easy you must be misusing them

their no retaliation really rocks:D

horseman is mostly fixed in tent of darion
if not then it's bad luck ^^

you have a real hard combination to use at freedom islands:D

freedom island got a lot of shooters in their stacks and heavy melee hitters

devilfishes who are very annoying with their fear attack ^^

and their speed is also quite fast :D

[Erkilmarl]

@Razorflame: By spoilers I meant every bit of information... this game is so awesome I think I want to enjoy finding everything by myself. And BTW, I started a new hero just for fun and now I win the first encounters with no or very few losses. Right choices and tactics really matter.

[Razorflame]

ofcourse they do ^^
well good luck on your own then ^^

[poodle]

why aren't dragons viable? i run with 3 dragons right now and mages, and then fill the final spot with whatever playing on hard mode.

i don't know all of the tricks and this is my first time reading the forums but i've found this to be the best combo since dragons have such high armor and hp's they don't die if you keep them up and buffed.

i phantom the mages to start out, put up shield/stonearmor on the red/green dragons and send them in first for first hit and retaliation soaking, then send the black one in for the free attacks. i love dragons since they're damage abilities are more strategy based with how they attack, and how the enemy is positioned, and using the green dragon pull to line them up feels like there is more depth to playing the strategy part. most units don't give me this style of enemy positioning to consider as much and take advantage of.

granted the fire immune stuff can be an issue but its why i have 2 other units and swap out the black/red dragons, altho i'm still trying to find other good combinations that work just as well. i just can't seem to since everything dies and i have to replace them. dragons i can at least keep up even if they take huge army hits as long as i keep shields up on them, then heals in between.

[BobMaster]

why aren't dragons viable? i run with 3 dragons right now and mages, and then fill the final spot with whatever playing on hard mode.

What people talk about here is a perfect or no loss game, and since you can not ressurrect dragons, at least not the black and red, they are not viable for that scenario.

But for casual gaming focusing, on your dragons, sure it can be a good army.

[carlec]

How do you know when to get rid of a unit and move on to some other unit? I mean, at times it is easy to see that a stronger unit (say, Ancient Bears to Bears) just makes sense, but at other times, it doesn't, at least not to me.

So, right now I have both Priests and Archmages (I'm a Paladin). I can start, now to get Inquisators. Do I drop the Archmages or Priests for them? They don't seem to do the same kind of attack, so I can't really tell. Adding to the challenge is that I seem to be out of Archmages, at least for now.

I am level 11 (I think) and am just now getting to the mines. I have only done a few quests on the Islands and most armies there remain stronger than mine.

My current army is:
Bowmen (109)
Royal Snakes (78)
Priests (105)
Archmages (27--but I only currently have 6 or 7)
Ancient Bears (58)

I think its time to get something new, but there are no horsemen so far, only a few knights and, well, I'm just not really sure what to upgrade or move on.

Ideas?

[Thrasher]

I'd drop your archmages for inquisitors (for the resurrect and rage/bless)
and replace the bears with griffins (for flying to grab goodies, speed, and multi retaliations)
and replace priests with shamans (for totems as distractions plus healing)

[carlec]

I would love to have griffins, but can't find how to get them. I found the island, and hoped I could get them to join me, but they wouldn't. I am guessing that I have to finish the quest of the griffin king, but that is still beyond me right now.

And I haven't seen Shamens yet. Are they with the elves?

Are skeleton archers really the best as everyone says? I was not going to go down the undead path with this army/game. This is my first, so I was hoping to add elves, but certainly haven't found them yet.

[Thrasher]

Yep, you have to finish the griffon king's quest first. It's worth it!

You can get shamans from the castle where the orcs are on the first island, but you have to beat them in battle first.

[BobMaster]

Hey all I'm back :p

I recently started KB again and I need some advice ...

My current army consists of:

Archmages
Knights
Evil Beholders
Horsemen
Inquisitors

Now I see people trashing groups of match and even slightly stronger at lvl 11 (my lvl now), but I have a hard time killing match groups with my army unless they are all slow units.
Only useful spells I am missing are Resurrect and Target, none of my magic is higher then level 1 yet because of rune costs, I do have Higher Magic lvl 2.

Any advice ?

P.S.: I just killed Lucky James with minimal losses, on my way to the mines.

[Lex]

I think you've been too fast with Higher Magic, and you should get higher level of Order / Distortion first. In my free time I am playing no loss impossible game with mage - so far lvl 8, just killed Redbeard and on my way to mines. My army is: Archmages, Cannoneers, Griffins, Royal Snakes and Inquisitors - around 4k of leadership. I would drop Knights and concentrate on shielded fast single tank or at least replace them with second faster tank.

[BobMaster]

Thanks Lex,

If only I could find a faster tank, I don't really like the griffins because of their low hp, even with the archmage's shield, they drop quite fast, maybe I use them wrong ?
I don't have a steady supply for them yet either.

Why Order/Distortion? my next goal would have normally been chaos lvl 2, so I could use sacrifice to get a stack of royal thorns, only 2 available right now.
I was never really a order/distortion kinda guy, occasional slow or stone skin and sometimes a heal to keep units alive, but not much else, any pointers for magic use ?
Also was thinking of changing the Knights for cannoneers, guess it would have been a bad idea ? :p

[Lex]

Disclaimer: I am still not very experienced KB:TL player, but.

I like griffins because they have high hp-leadership relationship, nice initiative + speed and they are nice source of mana with Magic Spring.
I prefer army buffs than direct damage. When our/enemy army grows then buffs also grow in strength while direct damage kill % lowers.
Replacing an army depend on player's style, but Cannoneer is pretty good unit.

[BobMaster]

Disclaimer: I am still not very experienced KB:TL player, but.

You must be pretty good in my book for beating redbeard at lvl 8 no losses on impossible :)

My game is only normal lol

Maybe I should check my buffs more, but as I said, I'm not very proficient with magic :p

[Lex]

It is all the matter of strategy. In my opinion, for example, Redbeard was much easier than Capt Black Eye - I killed Eye right after A Holy Indulgence quest.

[BobMaster]

Yea, obviously :)

Still learning myself, started this because I finished all the HoMM games and VI wasn't out back then.

But this access to all races thing really adds a huge difficulty, at least for me, thank some deity it are the same units though :D

Let's hope some expert KB player can help some regarding magic use :)

[EDIT]: After searching some more on the forums, I realized I possibly screwed myself by maxing higher magic too early, mass or even lvl 2 blind and stuff would have been more useful.
Will try to pick my fights carefully and hope I can advance, or I need to restart ... again :D

[Lex]

In other words: you need to have proper spells first to use Higher Magic. But I think you shouldn't have big problems to continue this game on normal as this mode is "pretty easy", especially if you do not care too much about losing some units.

I said I am not too experienced in KB:TL because I am doing my literally third run. First was on normal, unfinished (because I decided it is too easy). Second was on impossible/no loss, unfinished (because I failed with Furious Paladin Blessing of Crypts quest / Resurrection scroll reward and coundn't manage to survive later). I hope I'll finish the game this time.

[BobMaster]

I haven't finished it yet, I do try not to lose too many units, since most of them are not available anymore.
First try was hard, too much trouble for me, normal is ok, but still need quite some tactics it seems, sacrifice is rather useless and too expensive, but I'll manage.

The resurrect scroll from furious paladin is only for paladins I heard, I won't have access to a scroll for a long time still.

[Lex]

The resurrect scroll from furious paladin is only for paladins I heard, I won't have access to a scroll for a long time still.
Yes, that was me who told you that - I was so unhappy and was looking for answer myself at that time (also, to be precise, even if you are paladin it is not 100% guaranteed to get it from Furious Paladin but only paladin can get some more units/items to buy as Blessing of Crypt reward).

Also, in my current game I've found scroll on Islands of Freedom. By scanning over 100 games I can tell that this is the earliest possibility when you can get it. You can't get Resurrection scroll in first game areas unless you are paladin (or you have acquired Count title, but it is still further in game).

[BobMaster]

Yea I noticed that on my scans too, and after getting to the mines, I still am a stupid Baron, so silly :D