Why are scores so important to everyone?

[ontheborderland]

All of this bullcrap about the patch got me wondering, why the hell does anyone give a damn about scores in a video game that is otherwise extremely enjoyable?

I'm only referring to the MP scoring fix that everyone seems so desperate for. Obviously the patch features more fixes than this.

But my point is, when I'm playing, and I fill another player full of enough holes to make him spin out and hit the ground, it feels really great, regardless of whether it says "Player x has crashed" or not. And when all is said and done and the match's winner is declared, who cares? Is it really that important for a game to tell you that you've won?

Now I understand that we all paid money for a product and there are flaws with that product, and I'm looking forward to the patch as much as anyone, but I just don't get the mentality that says "although I love this game, I'm not going to play it until the scoring's fixed".

Any thoughts?

[winny]

Personally I think there's a few people behaving like spoilt kids about this particular subject. There's quite a bit of rabble rousing on here...

There are however a lot of people on here who've been much more dignified and adult about it. I'm a PS3-er and I'm starting to feel sorry for the Xboxers on here because there has been very little info from the Devs since the PS3 update. I think that is unfair. It's a game that carries with it a certain emotional attachment because of the subject matter.. Most people on here LOVE WWII aircraft and It possible that the devs are abusing that slightly..

Has anyone seen a post by a developer in the last 3 weeks?

Not even a "bear with us guys we're doing all we can"

I suppose that in the end your only way to show your disappointment is to protest in some form, to some that means a polite email, to others it means boycott the online game..But if you're one of those not playing it because you have no patience and are just cutting off your nose to spite your face, then you're stupid and you should probably grow up a bit..

[kozzm0]

Manfred von Richthofen used to put souvenirs of all the planes he downed on the walls of his quarters, along with photos of the pilots if he could obtain them. One of his early motivations for getting kills was to win the Pour le Merite.

When he was put in control of Jasta 11 and then promoted again, he ordered all the planes to be painted in bright colors and outrageous designs, to establish a feared reputation among Allied pilots, of course they ended up calling it the Flying Circus and Richthofen the Red Baron

After Richthofen was shot down and recovering from a serious head wound, he wrote a book for the German propaganda machine. He used to trade his autograph for better food and supplies. He enjoyed and cultivated his fame.

Likewise with most BOP players. Most players don't mind seeing their name at the top of a leaderboard. If nobody really cared, they wouldn't make leaderboards. The boards are broken, but victory usually increases your level. Usually. Yesterday I lost 2 levels after beating someone ranked higher than me, and then beating someone ranked lower by a big margin.

[SEE]

I agree, the kill score shouldn't be the only goal to make the game enjoyable. The scoring can look a bit odd at times.....10 kills and 17 deaths and another player 2 kills and not shot down once. I would be extremely happy with the latter TBH.

[lost cause]

Good subject. I agree with you completely Kozzm0. I have no idea how the dang leaderboard keeps scores. I know one thing though, those guys in the upper ranks are damn good! I got into several scrapes the past couple days with some of them and just couldn't believe how fast those guys killed me. I could barely even see them. let alone get any lead in them. I can tell you this. I got some good shots several times and within 20-30 seconds they crashed and I got no kill. That was frustrating, to say the least, but certainly not enough to condemn the game or protest it. When you fly your ass off against top notch competition and 1 or 2 kills can make a difference, yeah, it can be irksome. And yes, I do like to see my handle rising on the boards!!!! Competitive is the word. I coached baseball and football for 11 years and losing doesn't feel good. I want to make clear, though, most on this forum are adult about it and in the end, fun is the name of the game! Assholes are everywhere though. I ignore them and keep playing anyway.

[Robotic Pope]

Good subject. I agree with you completely Kozzm0. I have no idea how the dang leaderboard keeps scores. I know one thing though, those guys in the upper ranks are damn good! I got into several scrapes the past couple days with some of them and just couldn't believe how fast those guys killed me. I could barely even see them. let alone get any lead in them. I can tell you this. I got some good shots several times and within 20-30 seconds they crashed and I got no kill. That was frustrating, to say the least, but certainly not enough to condemn the game or protest it. When you fly your ass off against top notch competition and 1 or 2 kills can make a difference, yeah, it can be irksome. And yes, I do like to see my handle rising on the boards!!!! Competitive is the word. I coached baseball and football for 11 years and losing doesn't feel good. I want to make clear, though, most on this forum are adult about it and in the end, fun is the name of the game! Assholes are everywhere though. I ignore them and keep playing anyway.

I agree. I guess I'm a fairly competative person in that I want to end the games with a respectable score, but if I do have a bad game and come last against better players/team then I can accept that. What I find hard to accept is being cheated in any game, which is basicaly what BoP is doing to you when it says your kill has just crashed. Also as Ive said before, I like to boom and zoom rather than fly in circles.

Example: I'm already at a disadvantage that my planes, the Fw190 and P-51D are too slow and handle quite poorly and the circle flyers can turn forever without blacking out. I spot two spitfires in a slow circle and swoop down and boom on one of the spitfires. the closing distance could be 400+mph. I get one chance to time my firing correct. I fire and hit the spits wing and I watch it go into a spin as it disapears far behind me. A few seconds later I get a message telling me that the spitfire has crashed!. Now about 70% of the time I miss the target with my guns, so when I do get it right I want it to mean something. By the end of the game I've got about 5 kills with only one counting and 2 deaths. My team has lost. At the end of the game the guy with the most points on the winning side in the spit that I shot down comments to the guy on my team that killed the most, "Dude you didn't get much help from your team mates did you" Both these guys have over 10 crashes each. Is that fair??

Now I will still play the game because I love it, But I still get angry with it and need to vent in posts now and then, lol sorry If they sound a bit childish.

[InfiniteStates]

IMO most men, and especially gaming men, are competitive. There are scores for nearly every kind of game you can think of. And of all the thing begging for a score, it's thing being simulated in which they actually kept scores for real...

Don't get me wrong - I haven't checked the leaderboards for a long time, but I don't like to see myself on the bottom of the end of game scoreboard. I think the better you get at something, the more it matters.

But just a reality check: the patch does not entirely fix this issue. If you clip a spitfire's wings at 10m and he instantly spirals into the ground, it can still more often than not register as a crash not a kill...

P.S: +several to Winny's post.

[smacktooth]

I like to get credit if im the pilot that brought down another pilot. I do agree that even if you shot a plane into the ground it still feles good too even if no credit is given. Be patient the game update will be here when the time is right.

[Zatoichi_Sanjuro]

What is the deal with the scoring system anyway?

I've seen end of TDM results where two players got an identical amount of kills/crashes and yet one of them has more points. :confused:

[Araqiel]

I'd imagine people care about scores because they're how you unlock more aircraft, and with no patch those requirements are for the most part prohibitively extensive.

[winny]

But just a reality check: the patch does not entirely fix this issue. If you clip a spitfire's wings at 10m and he instantly spirals into the ground, it can still more often than not register as a crash not a kill...


I was wondering.. I'm rubbish at sim because I keep going high, but, whilst I've been getting shot to bits I've noticed that given enough altitude you can keep a badly damaged plane in the air for quite a bit (I'm getting good at this, unfortunately). I'm starting to think that it's more to do with the fact that most kills are low to the ground and you've no time to try and get it back so it's still a "flyable" plane and the game is treating it like one?? Just a thought.

It's so bad I've started to drop my landing gear when my engines been wiped out.. just so it's more realistic for the guy behind..

[SEE]

What is the deal with the scoring system anyway?

I've seen end of TDM results where two players got an identical amount of kills/crashes and yet one of them has more points. :confused:

Might be the 'efficiency' (accuracy so to speak which shows on ranked leaderboard). Can't think of anything else but have seen people with more crashes and same kills win. Either that or its random (or screwed up)!


EvangelusE (Gamertag)

[Robotic Pope]

Might be the 'efficiency' (accuracy so to speak which shows on ranked leaderboard). Can't think of anything else but have seen people with more crashes and same kills win. Either that or its random (or screwed up)!


EvangelusE (Gamertag)

Yeah it's weird also how its only the PS3 leaderboards that are messed up. The xbox leaderboards (apart from how it sometimes forgets how to count, and that Team dogfights sometimes don't count for some reason) are pretty much ok.

[FOZ_1983]

I play sim, why do i play sim?

for enjoyment and a challenge. Leaderboards and wins etc dont really bother me to much. Sure i like to win!! but who doesnt?

the only thing i would like (other than the enjoyment and challenge) is for my kills to be higher than my deaths. If i get just 1 kill and no deaths... then as far as im concerned thats a great game. I killed one of them and helped the team while not being shot down myself and helping the enemy.

I can understand peoples attraction with leaderoards etc and more so your anger at certain planes being screwed up :(

i was fortunate that they made my beloved hurricane one of the easiest to unlock :D and a joy to fly :P

more so when i have a wingman flying one to who knows how i work.

[kozzm0]

IMO most men, and especially gaming men, are competitive. There are scores for nearly every kind of game you can think of. And of all the thing begging for a score, it's thing being simulated in which they actually kept scores for real...

Don't get me wrong - I haven't checked the leaderboards for a long time, but I don't like to see myself on the bottom of the end of game scoreboard. I think the better you get at something, the more it matters.

But just a reality check: the patch does not entirely fix this issue. If you clip a spitfire's wings at 10m and he instantly spirals into the ground, it can still more often than not register as a crash not a kill...

P.S: +several to Winny's post.

I think the game doesn't want to award kills for inflicting minor damage on a plane, so as long as nothing on the plane has black damage, it considers it flyable and blames the death on its pilot, no kill awarded. It would be better if any plane that crashes with 30 percent total damage, or at least one red wing, count as a kill for whoever caused the most damage

since they will never do that, I think the best possible fix would be for every crash to be -5 points, whether anyone gets a kill for it or not.

If everybody has more crashes than kills, I say everybody loses.

[SEE]

I think the best possible fix would be for every crash to be -5 points, whether anyone gets a kill for it or not.

If everybody has more crashes than kills, I say everybody loses.

Gets my vote Kozzmo......... better if the scores were based on kill to crash ratio. I would also like to see Limited F/A in SIM mode as the only option but with the option of re-arming after a succesful period of time flying (or landing).

[ontheborderland]

I'd imagine people care about scores because they're how you unlock more aircraft, and with no patch those requirements are for the most part prohibitively extensive.

Good point, never thought of that.

I can understand competitiveness and I can understand wanting to be given recognition for your achievements, I just think that XBL (and maybe PS3?) places far too much focus on it. When someone screams at you over the mic that you've "stolen their kill" just because you took a quick shot at a plane that passed through your crosshairs, I think it's gone a bit far. Especially when it takes place during a TEAM battle. I think this game is at its best when people work as a team, and individual recognition isn't a part of it. Everyone doing what they can for the team makes for a much more enjoyable game IMO.

Same goes for most games, especially BF 1943.

[SEE]

Stealing kills will happen in the dogfight sessions wether on purpose or accidental. After all, every one is your enemy and all's fair in love and war! :grin: Doesn't bother me........

[Robotic Pope]

Stealing kills will happen in the dogfight sessions wether on purpose or accidental. After all, every one is your enemy and all's fair in love and war! :grin: Doesn't bother me........

Ha ha I love that, when someone tries that on me when I'm in my Hurricane firing guns. They speed past me to get closer to the guy I'm shooting at, and fly straight into my storm of machine gun bullets. ;)

[BeaverCompany01]

I personally would like to see the patch asap simply to encourage more players to go back online.

[FOZ_1983]

Ha ha I love that, when someone tries that on me when I'm in my Hurricane firing guns. They speed past me to get closer to the guy I'm shooting at, and fly straight into my storm of machine gun bullets. ;)

Gotta love them guns on her eh! :D

she's a beast in the right hands.

[Shadowcorp]

1- Assists. to get nothing for hammering a target and having one of your wingmen take the the kill is silly. I'm pretty sure pilots count assist just like they do kills
2- Friendly fire kills. the pilot killed by friendly fire should not lose a point.
3- some explanation of how the ranking work or the formula the leaderboard works by would be nice

But to address what you guys have been saying I would be lying if if said the score boards were not important to me. However theres only one that i really care about the others are just for fun, I'm competitive what can i say. When i have a bad game i stop playing and go play another game

[philabong2]

hey guys, as some of u guys already kno, i had to send my ps3 to sony for repairs last week. Fortunatly, it only took about a week to get it back (thank the guys at Sony, with the holidays n all i really thought this would take much longer, again i am totally amazed at the service they provide)

Anyooo, the first thing i did when loging in BoP was to go have a look at the leaderboard to see how much my ranking went down - i dont usually pay much attention to these but i check em out once in a while just out of curiosity. Well after a full week not playin, im pretty sure my ranking went up!!! - think i was about 9th or 10th in df before i sent the ps3 and i'm now sitting at the 4th or 5th place... pretty weird

So i guess there no point in playing for ur ranking only - since they dont seem to reflect anything relevant - so just have fun playin against friends and enjoy ur flight ;)