PS3 patch 1.01 live

[DH1979]

only 12mb too

[irrelevant]

seriously? that's great news! the work day is going to be looooooooong...

[Robotic Pope]

Geez FINALY. Now the 360 patch can be released.

Let us know how much better the multiplayer is now the crashes count as kills. How quickly in a turn does the red/black out occur now?

[Steyr_amr]

Does this affect the tournament in any way? Regardless I can't wait to see how the new P-51 performs.

[Ancient Seraph]

Now let's hope MS doesn't get in the way :).
Let's hear some comments about the patch.

[Houndstone Hawk]

SCREEN TEARING IS FIXED AS PROMISED!!!!

Much better. The look around fps are now not as smooth as 360 but the tearing is a thing of a past.

Worth the wait on that alone!!!!!!!!!:)

EDIT
I shouldn't have been so hastey. Got 5 minutes into the flight, climbed up to 10,000 ft & for some reason it's now tearing as bad as before. GUTTED!!!

[stealth finger]

hows the p-51 now?

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

OMFG!!!! YES!!!! OMG!!!! YES!!!!

When I saw this, I think I cried a little. (jk, but it adds to effect XD)

[irrelevant]

OMFG!!!! YES!!!! OMG!!!! YES!!!!

When I saw this, I think I cried a little. (jk, but it adds to effect XD)

you cried, i wet myself. 'tis a good day.

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

you cried, i wet myself. 'tis a good day.

'Tis it is :grin:

[trk29]

I started up the game. The United States doesn't have the patch yet. It never started a download. Maybe later this evening.

Anton and dev team. Can we now get a full list on what is in the patch?
Thanks

[haitch40]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SSSSSSSSSS


i started it and it said patch i feel more exited than when i got the game


now to test it

[irrelevant]

I started up the game. The United States doesn't have the patch yet. It never started a download. Maybe later this evening.


i think i'll join silence and have myself a cry now. :sad:

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

i think i'll join silence and have myself a cry now. :sad:

I'm crying now to, but not a happy cry. :( I was never prompted to download :(

[philabong2]

I'm crying now to, but not a happy cry. :( I was never prompted to download :(

me neither, woke up this morning feeling like a kid on christmas morning when reading this... guess we'll have to wait just a bit more:mad:

[InfiniteStates]

I wonder if v1.00 can play v1.01...?

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

I wonder if v1.00 can play v1.01...?

Well Rhah just sent me an invite (though I never tried to accept it) but maybe that means we can still play together?

[P-51]

I was carrying the laptop when I read this, i resisted the urged to drop it and dash to my PS3. Will trial it ASAP!

[ThatYoungGameGuy]

an upset and distraught 360 owner here :(, can anyone tell me if the flak has become more effective? maybe try flying past the guns at dover on training?

[haitch40]

I was carrying the laptop when I read this, i resisted the urged to drop it and dash to my PS3. Will trial it ASAP!

lol
btw patch is good

[trk29]

lol
btw patch is good

Go on sim and let us know how easy it is for us to redout/blackout.

[Robotic Pope]

Come on guys we need FEEDBACK!!!

P-51 ??
Crashes are kills ?
Red/Black outs on sim?
FW190??????????

[trk29]

Come on guys we need FEEDBACK!!!

P-51 ??
Crashes are kills ?
Red/Black outs on sim?
FW190??????????

I just read on Yuplay that crashes count as kills so do collisions.

[P-51]

I just read on Yuplay that crashes count as kills so do collisions.

Woooooop!!! Ima downloading it now!! Ill be back!

[trk29]

Woooooop!!! Ima downloading it now!! Ill be back!

Sweet, do the forum proud we want details :-P

[winny]

Red outs and blackouts are now very quick to appear and go close to total red/black in sim mode when you start getting aggressive with the controls. Not managed a total redout or blackout but I've only been on for 5 mins or so..

I'm a little puzzled coz I use a HOTAS and I still can't look to my six... Am I doing something wrong or do I have to go into the custom layout?

The zoom feature seems to zoom in closer, most of the screen tearing seems to be fixed.

Not been online with it yet..

[edal86]

aww man :(

no patch for America yet, I tried using a UK account to download the patch but to no effect.

We will probably get it by 6 pm

[InfiniteStates]

I'm a little puzzled coz I use a HOTAS and I still can't look to my six... Am I doing something wrong or do I have to go into the custom layout?
You can't with a pad either, can you? Probably cos there's a bloody great fuselage in the way...:-P

[trk29]

Red outs and blackouts are now very quick to appear and go close to total red/black in sim mode when you start getting aggressive with the controls. Not managed a total redout or blackout but I've only been on for 5 mins or so..

I'm a little puzzled coz I use a HOTAS and I still can't look to my six... Am I doing something wrong or do I have to go into the custom layout?

The zoom feature seems to zoom in closer, most of the screen tearing seems to be fixed.

Not been online with it yet..

Since most fly with the virtual cockpit, do these blackout red outs happen in that mode as well?

Just this feature will definitely change the way MP is played.

What about adding different peripherals has anyone tried a pc flight stick? I hope my MS sidewinder works, if someone can hook up a mouse and or keyboard and let us know how easy it is to assign buttons that would be great.

[winny]

You can't with a pad either, can you? Probably cos there's a bloody great fuselage in the way...:-P

You can look backwards with a pad (I think!)... You can see the headrest of the seat etc.. With the hat switch the furthest you can look back is either 3 or 9 o'clock or straight up. Which is the same as before the update... like I said, am I missing something? Or am I being thick..

[f1rebrand]

Just unlocked a TA-152. Is that news?

[trk29]

Just unlocked a TA-152. Is that news?

Yes you must have used the FW190.

[winny]

Since most fly with the virtual cockpit, do these blackout red outs happen in that mode as well?

I was flying with the cockpit visable (I'm not sure if that's virtual cockpit!)
Not the full screen thing.. I apologise for my stoopidity!

[trk29]

You can look backwards with a pad (I think!)... You can see the headrest of the seat etc.. With the hat switch the furthest you can look back is either 3 or 9 o'clock or straight up. Which is the same as before the update... like I said, am I missing something? Or am I being thick..

Your not using the AV8R are you? You must be using the Thrust master.

Virtual cockpit is where you can't see the cockpit
Real cockpit is well... real. :)

[winny]

Your not using the AV8R are you? You must be using the Thrust master.

Yep.. thrustmaster. I thought that it was gonna be fixed :(

[Sandylowlead]

No u admin

[trk29]

[IMG]http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll48/Ragenbeef/fuuuuu.jpg[/IMG

I just sent you a pm quit posting these ridiculous pictures it makes the forum hard to read and is not needed.

[edal86]

PATCH HERE FOR AMERICANS :)

will try it now and will be back

[Sandylowlead]

PATCH HERE FOR AMERICANS :)

will try it now and will be back

make haste i want to know if they fixed the MANY problems in the game!

[trk29]

No u admin

I think you need a vacation from the forum.

[trk29]

Yep.. thrustmaster. I thought that it was gonna be fixed :(

If I remember correctly the button is different one is analog and the other is digital between the two. And they only thing they said they were going to fix is the brake on the flight sticks.

[Sandylowlead]

I think YOU need a vacation from the forum.

^

[InfiniteStates]

You can look backwards with a pad (I think!)... You can see the headrest of the seat etc.. With the hat switch the furthest you can look back is either 3 or 9 o'clock or straight up. Which is the same as before the update... like I said, am I missing something? Or am I being thick..
As sorry - yeah that is significantly more handicapped than a pad. I can't see a way around that without using an analogue control though...? Or is the hatswitch analogue?

[winny]

As sorry - yeah that is significantly more handicapped than a pad. I can't see a way around that without using an analogue control though...? Or is the hatswitch analogue?

It's digital on the hotas.. I think I may have misread an earlier post about this then.

Maybe I should see if the mouse support works...

[Sandylowlead]

Is the greatest dog fighter in the world fixed?!?!?!?!?

[winny]

Is the greatest dog fighter in the world fixed?!?!?!?!?

I imagine Edal will be back on here soon with a comprehensive list of what's what. I'd wait for that. If I were you.

[edal86]

You guys will love this:

* did not noticed screen tearing yet
* control custumization is great (about 5 new options for control setup, option for PC stick (my old logitech extreme3d works lol)
- Every button on the controller can be assigned whatever you want

* Flak is great, you feel the blast, it moves your plane. I got shot down by bullets from a ship, but the flak damaged a Bf 109 that I was chasing, he started smoking.

* no cockpit view for BF 10's or fw 190's
- p-51D-5 cockpit was not fixed (still has p-47)

*P-51 now flies better than the bf 109 (you can really notice this in turns)
* Fw 190 was slightly fixed, I think the p-51 turns a little better, and the gun platform way more stable than fw 190.

* blackouts are good, I have not gotten completely balcked out, but blackouts are there on both cockpit and virtual views (this is good news for me)

* I will try red outs, and machine and cannon separation in a bit.

(any other requests for things that I may check?)

[Sandylowlead]

You guys will love this:



*P-51 now flies better than the bf 109 (you can really notice this in turns)
)


QQ the P-51 should be the HANDS down best plane in the game :(

[edal86]

QQ the P-51 should be the HANDS down best plane in the game :(

I will try it online right now against a spit, trk29 will fly the spit, I will let you know of the results

[irrelevant]

man, i wish i was home right now. would love to be playing with you guys...

edit: i really hope the 109/190 cockpits come as DLC in the future.

[Sandylowlead]

I will try it online right now against a spit, trk29 will fly the spit, I will let you know of the results

ty

[edal86]

P-51D vs SpitIX
(p-51 won, but in a turning fight the spit will win by small difference now, the difference can be compared to that of a yak3 vs la5)

Blackouts play an important role (you will notice them a lot, fun fun fun), redouts are less frequent but are there.

Online points 1 kill = 5 points, 1 death = -1 point
- crash no kill problem still there but is less frequent

[Houndstone Hawk]

You guys will love this:

* did not noticed screen tearing yet
* control custumization is great (about 5 new options for control setup, option for PC stick (my old logitech extreme3d works lol)
- Every button on the controller can be assigned whatever you want

* Flak is great, you feel the blast, it moves your plane. I got shot down by bullets from a ship, but the flak damaged a Bf 109 that I was chasing, he started smoking.

* no cockpit view for BF 10's or fw 190's
- p-51D-5 cockpit was not fixed (still has p-47)

*P-51 now flies better than the bf 109 (you can really notice this in turns)
* Fw 190 was slightly fixed, I think the p-51 turns a little better, and the gun platform way more stable than fw 190.

* blackouts are good, I have not gotten completely balcked out, but blackouts are there on both cockpit and virtual views (this is good news for me)

* I will try red outs, and machine and cannon separation in a bit.

(any other requests for things that I may check?)

I can definately say that the screen tearing is NOT FIXED unfornately. Maybe I'm being picky as it was the single most needed aspect to warrant attention IMO. Curiously it doesn't tear now until a few minutes into a flight, then it's easily as bad as it was.

Although personally disappointed by this, the custom layouts, flak, black & redouts are great. A worthy effort in need of praise & worth the wait!!!!

[Anton Yudintsev]

If resulting framerate is less, than 30, V-sync automatically toggles off (than coming on back again). This was made to make MP dynamics as fast, as possibly.
However, in title update framerate is also improved, most of times - at least +15-20%

[Houndstone Hawk]

If resulting framerate is less, than 30, V-sync automatically toggles off (than coming on back again). This was made to make MP dynamics as fast, as possibly.
However, in title update framerate is also improved, most of times - at least +15-20%

That would explain the intermitent tearing I'm experiencing. Very well done on the rest of the 1.01. Great work. :-)

[winny]

If resulting framerate is less, than 30, V-sync automatically toggles off (than coming on back again). This was made to make MP dynamics as fast, as possibly.
However, in title update framerate is also improved, most of times - at least +15-20%

Hi Anton, Could you clarify that the HOTAS hatswitch will not let you check behind you? If so I need to start practising with the pad... Thanks.

[edal86]

You can now assign anything to the keyboard :)

I love it, brings me il2 1946 flashbacks :D

[trk29]

If resulting framerate is less, than 30, V-sync automatically toggles off (than coming on back again). This was made to make MP dynamics as fast, as possibly.
However, in title update framerate is also improved, most of times - at least +15-20%

Awesome job Anton loving it.
Can we get a complete list of what was fixed in the update?

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

You can now assign anything to the keyboard :)

I love it, brings me il2 1946 flashbacks :D

Can you look around with a mouse?

[Steyr_amr]

You can now assign anything to the keyboard :)

I love it, brings me il2 1946 flashbacks :D

Yeh loving it, havent been able to play 46 since i got this new comp :(. Have you tryed a mouse yet?

[edal86]

Can you look around with a mouse?

sorry dont have usb mouse

[Zatoichi_Sanjuro]

P-51D vs SpitIX
(p-51 won, but in a turning fight the spit will win by small difference now, the difference can be compared to that of a yak3 vs la5)

Blackouts play an important role (you will notice them a lot, fun fun fun), redouts are less frequent but are there.

Online points 1 kill = 5 points, 1 death = -1 point
- crash no kill problem still there but is less frequent

Yeah, the blackouts and the more frequent heavy breathing make it much more intense.

I've only played on sim so far and the damage/crash=kill doesn't seem to be working. I was downed a few times with shots to my wings and rudder but it didn't register as a kill. Perhaps the affected plane-part has to turn black to count?
I'll try some of the other modes to see if it's more apparent.

(Also, after your first online match is over you're met with a slew of unlocks :-P)

[trk29]

Haven't tried a mouse but 1 thing I noticed, when in cockpit view sim mode if you use the d-pad to look it no longer looks at the outside of your plane instead it pans from the inside!

I will try my new multi touch apple mouse it is bluetooth.

EDIT: Sweet even the apple mouse works. Left click and you can look everywhere, let off the button and view returns to center. Killer.

[Houndstone Hawk]

Does anyone know why there are two Zoom Cameras on the customise Pad screen?
Everything seems to be mapping ok but not the Zoom Camera (when playing on SIM mode).

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

Haven't tried a mouse but 1 thing I noticed, when in cockpit view sim mode if you use the d-pad to look it no longer looks at the outside of your plane instead it pans from the inside!

I will try my new multi touch apple mouse it is bluetooth.

EDIT: Sweet even the apple mouse works. Left click and you can look everywhere, let off the button and view returns to center. Killer.

HELL YES!!! OMG that's awesome! Target tracking just got a whole lot easier. How's the deadzone?

[SgtPappy]

QQ the P-51 should be the HANDS down best plane in the game :(

Erm, no. Great, yes. But the fact that everyone thinks its the best is complete fooey. Going into that discussion is for another thread.

First off, I'd like to thank the devs for all their hard work and their patience for torture from all of us and the publishers :-P

Anyway, the P-51D was a little better. It feels like the Spitfires are easiest to blackout in, but they feel more unstable... kinda weird since the 109 never seems to go into spin, though WWII pilots found it very unstable.

Something I find very important is that the zoom button will NOT WORK if re-assigned. I assigned it to down on the Dpad, tried square, etc. Nothing works except the default L2. There's also 2 options for zoom as well for some reason. I think the control list lists all the controls in all three modes.

I think that controller setups should be split between sim, realistic, and arcade because there are double options for a bunch of things.

[trk29]

HELL YES!!! OMG that's awesome! Target tracking just got a whole lot easier. How's the deadzone?

Haven't tried with a the AV8R yet. I did try my MS Sidewinder and all the control mapping worked great except the throttle the game wouldn't recognize the movement on the throttle switch.

[Houndstone Hawk]

Erm, no. Great, yes. But the fact that everyone thinks its the best is complete fooey. Going into that discussion is for another thread.

First off, I'd like to thank the devs for all their hard work and their patience for torture from all of us and the publishers :-P

Anyway, the P-51D was a little better. It feels like the Spitfires are easiest to blackout in, but they feel more unstable... kinda weird since the 109 never seems to go into spin, though WWII pilots found it very unstable.

Something I find very important is that the zoom button will NOT WORK if re-assigned. I assigned it to down on the Dpad, tried square, etc. Nothing works except the default L2. There's also 2 options for zoom as well for some reason. I think the control list lists all the controls in all three modes.

I think that controller setups should be split between sim, realistic, and arcade because there are double options for a bunch of things.

EVEN more important, when playing on SIM mode using the custom layout, the zoom will not work atall, even on the default L2. SIM players using a pad have always had to fly with the wireless aviator setup for pad option to give freedom to looking around without having to depress the R3 button but the downside was losing the zoom function & now it seems, you stillcant have a dedicated look around feature on R3 & have zoom when playing SIM?!?

[trk29]

Hey guys I tested out all the layouts they have 4 defaults now. I believe Gaijin got it right with layout 3 it is just like wireless AV8R layout except now rudder is L2 and R2 and throttle is L1 and R1 and you can set throttle to what ever you want it.

This will be my choice with pad and I should say you should try this.

To look you just move right stick and to get different views click it.

D-pad does Rockets bombs and flaps
Square zooms
X guns
triangle commands to flight ? I haven't tried this one yet
o map

the only thing is there is no trim button

[Houndstone Hawk]

Hey guys I tested out all the layouts they have 4 defaults now. I believe Gaijin got it right with layout 3 it is just like wireless AV8R layout except now rudder is L2 and R2 and throttle is L1 and R1 and you can set throttle to what ever you want it.

This will be my choice with pad and I should say you should try this.

To look you just move right stick and to get different views click it.

YES!!!!!! GREAT ADVICE. Finally. Workable views & a zoom feature on SIM mode. Thanks alot trk.

[trk29]

I believe Deadzone on the AV8R is fixed but the rudder problem is still there either on or off.

And the adjustment of the dead zone works great as well.

On another note, I landed the first time successfully using the AV8R stick and on sim... No tipping over! yay!

[PantherAttack2]

I can't wait to play it with the patch! :)

Finally!

[Houndstone Hawk]

If only there was a workaround where SIM players could use a controller layout like default layout 3 but have easier access to the zoom when viewing around the cockpit as it's very difficult reaching for the square button when say, viewing your 9 O'clock position whilst manouevring.

The zoom ideally needs to be on the L3 (thumbstick click) for a perfect layout for the SIM player using the pad.

[trk29]

If only there was a workaround where SIM players could use a controller layout like default layout 3 but have easier access to the zoom when viewing around the cockpit as it's very difficult reaching for the square button when say, viewing your 9 O'clock position whilst manouevring.

The zoom ideally needs to be on the L3 (thumbstick click) for a perfect layout for the SIM player using the pad.

Maybe you can copy the layout and then make a custom layout and switch the zoom to click right stick and change view to square. Try that.

[dealwolydnas]

* Fw 190 was slightly fixed, I think the p-51 turns a little better, and the gun platform way more stable than fw 190.


Can you explain a lil better on "slightly fixed"? does it handle around the bf109 G-6? Also did they fix both of the P-51 and FwWolf?

[Houndstone Hawk]

Maybe you can copy the layout and then make a custom layout and switch the zoom to click right stick and change view to square. Try that.

Tried it. Unfortunately the Zoom function wont work atall when flying SIM on a custom layout. It registers on realistic though. It's really strange & massively annoying as it was always the zoom/easy viewing combination that was the only downfall to the otherwise ok SIM pad layout. :confused:

[mattd27]

sweet!:) Now bring on the 360 patch! I haven't played this game in almost a month (too many other awesome releases), but I'm ready to jump back in with the patch hopefully.

[ThatYoungGameGuy]

so pleased the flak is fixed. Does it blow up the plane in one hit? Or do bits blow off, e.g. wings, tail section etc.

[flynlion]

I believe Deadzone on the AV8R is fixed but the rudder problem is still there either on or off.

And the adjustment of the dead zone works great as well.

On another note, I landed the first time successfully using the AV8R stick and on sim... No tipping over! yay!

This is great news! I know the deadzone can not be "tweakable" with the 360 version, but maybe it will be less annoying. One can only hope :-P
And I'm really looking forward to trying the "patched" version of the FW-190, that plane is just so bad-assed :cool:

[Yossarian]

only 12mb too

I'm assuming that the German cockpits we were promised would be included in this update (as we were told before the game even shipped) are still MIA then.

[SgtPappy]

Awesome! Thanks, that zoom in works wonders.

If only we could map it to our own buttons because now I'm having trouble trimming the plane while maneuvering. Oh well, not like WWII pilots could really maneuver well while trimming (if they were crazy enough to trim while fighting!).

But wow, that helps a lot. Now I just have to get used to the controls.

[Doktorwzzerd]

Thanks to Anton & Co. for coming through, can't wait until the 360 gets it!

Does this mean we won't have to see any more "The Patch Is Never Coming Out!!!!!" conspiracy theory threads on this forum:-)

[trk29]

I'm assuming that the German cockpits we were promised would be included in this update (as we were told before the game even shipped) are still MIA then.

No german cockpits :(

[P-51]

Hey guys I tested out all the layouts they have 4 defaults now. I believe Gaijin got it right with layout 3 it is just like wireless AV8R layout except now rudder is L2 and R2 and throttle is L1 and R1 and you can set throttle to what ever you want it.

This will be my choice with pad and I should say you should try this.

To look you just move right stick and to get different views click it.

D-pad does Rockets bombs and flaps
Square zooms
X guns
triangle commands to flight ? I haven't tried this one yet
o map

the only thing is there is no trim button


Didn't check that! Sounds awesome! Thanks!!!!

[kozzm0]

Real planes!

The blackout/redout is SO GOOD that there is no way anybody's gonna be turning 10 to 12-second circles in any plane. They've got it back to the realistic 19 seconds. Pull max-g even at 300kph, and your pilot goes blind.

One major disappointment, you still can't set l2 and r2 to be rudder pedals as an axis. They still work only as buttons, where rudder is either full-on or full-neutral.

You have to reset the trim a lot more often as it is more drastically affected by speed and AOA now.

The tipping-on-landing problem appears solved, at least for the fw-190 which I landed in training mode.

I still haven't bothered to go online - it took some getting used to just fighting two fw-190's with an la5.

[Lexandro]

Hey guys I tested out all the layouts they have 4 defaults now. I believe Gaijin got it right with layout 3 it is just like wireless AV8R layout except now rudder is L2 and R2 and throttle is L1 and R1 and you can set throttle to what ever you want it.

This will be my choice with pad and I should say you should try this.

To look you just move right stick and to get different views click it.

D-pad does Rockets bombs and flaps
Square zooms
X guns
triangle commands to flight ? I haven't tried this one yet
o map

the only thing is there is no trim button

Have you tried mapping the trim to the pads L3 button? Would that work or not?

[Robotic Pope]

I've only played on sim so far and the damage/crash=kill doesn't seem to be working. I was downed a few times with shots to my wings and rudder but it didn't register as a kill. Perhaps the affected plane-part has to turn black to count?
I'll try some of the other modes to see if it's more apparent.



Thats kinda disapointing. For me that was the most important thing to be fixed.

Oh and What about in cockpit stall shuddering sound effects, have they been added?

[Zatoichi_Sanjuro]

Thats kinda disapointing. For me that was the most important thing to be fixed.

Having played again I think it might just be a bug with the kill/crash display, as when I checked the score menu the number of kills our team got exceeded our individual kill count.

[Robotic Pope]

Having played again I think it might just be a bug with the kill/crash display, as when I checked the score menu the number of kills our team got exceeded our individual kill count.

Thats not good. What about in a dogfight?

[JG27CaptStubing]

QQ the P-51 should be the HANDS down best plane in the game :(

Like all planes they all have their strengths and weaknesses. In reality depending on the era the 51 wasn't nessarily the best plane it depended on a lot of factors.

Good to see people are still interested in this title. I wonder how many will actually convert over to flying IL2 1946...

[Houndstone Hawk]

AM I SERIOUSLY THE ONLY SIM PLAYER THAT'S BEEN CALLING FOR A NON-CLICKABLE RIGHT STICK LOOK AROUND FUNCTION ASWELL AS A WORKABLE ZOOM?????
Can no one find a work around with this so-called total customizable mapping feature?
As trk29 has documented, the best SIM pad layout is the default 3 map but the zoom is on the square button & so is completely impractible to use when scanning around or manouevring etc.
I have spent the evening copying that otherwise workable map to the custom page & wish to put the zoom to the L3 (thumbstick click as this is redundant on SIM in this map) but whatever is attempted, the f****** zoom (the most wanted mappable button for SIM players with pads)will NOT register, no matter what button you assign zoom to (but will register in arcade & realistic, the modes that don't even require this due to the padlock view). I have tried disabling one zoom button (as the map contains 2 zoom slots & 2 target cam slots), then the other, & even mirroring the same button to both zooms but IT WILL NOT WORK.

This was the only button needed for SIM players who wanted the dedicated Rightstick look around & it's beyond frustration that, still, it is the only function that can't be customized.
PLEASE HELP. I'm hoping it's just me missing something stupid here!!!:(

[edal86]

Can you explain a lil better on "slightly fixed"? does it handle around the bf109 G-6? Also did they fix both of the P-51 and FwWolf?

* Fw 190 can out turn the bf 109 g2, so the bf 109 g6 should not be a problem
- this plane turns better now for sure

* the P-51 can now keep up with a Spit (I tried this), the spit can still out turn the p-51 but not by much
- P-51 I think, is now among the top 3-5 best planes on this game

* I kept the same sensibility for these planes, they still spinout if you lower the sensibility but kept the same they turn way better

[Robotic Pope]

How about the other planes that were crocked before (full of fuel?).

Bf110 and the P-51B (hasn't had its name corrected to Mustang Ia with 4 cannons by any chance? I was probably hoping for too much there.)

[SgtPappy]

Unfortunately, you are indeed hoping for too much.
It, like the P-51D has been kept exactly the same in terms of looks and name.

Yea, I'm personally impressed with the P-51D's new handling. It still seems like a beast to fly, but it DOES turn tighter. I don't think it's that close to a Spitfire in the turn, but it certainly feels a little better.

I wasn't able to test the speed though. Did the P-51D get any faster? It's supposed to pull more than 350 mph @ SL with no WEP. :?

[Lexandro]

* Fw 190 can out turn the bf 109 g2, so the bf 109 g6 should not be a problem
- this plane turns better now for sure

* the P-51 can now keep up with a Spit (I tried this), the spit can still out turn the p-51 but not by much
- P-51 I think, is now among the top 3-5 best planes on this game

* I kept the same sensibility for these planes, they still spinout if you lower the sensibility but kept the same they turn way better

So Edal would you say that both those planes are now "competative"? That is to say could an average pilot fly them with some success, as apposed to before where it required a much more skilled hand at the stick?

[InfiniteStates]

The P51 is certainly capable in terms of handling, but as armaments go its like a neutered Hurricane.

[Robotic Pope]

The P51 is certainly capable in terms of handling, but as armaments go its like a neutered Hurricane.

What the P-51D's 6 .50 machine guns??? 1 short burst can make mince meat out of all but the IL-2's. Same for the Hurricane, its firepower is pretty awesome. Try the P-51B and the MC.202 now they ARE underarmed.

[Robotic Pope]

You idiots, can't you guys figure out why zoom mode wont work on sim? Because it's efffin SIM MODE!

PILOTS DIDN'T HAVE TELESCOPES MOUNTED ON THE DASHBOARD YOU IDIOTS!

Now dear god, please release the 360 patch tomorrow, this is bullshit, we paid the same amount of money as those damn ps3 users did... watch it be 3-4 more months because of the same bugs that plagued the ps3 patch's release... : (

urmmmm. Sim mode does have a zoom function Deascendent, you might want to apologise quick lol. They are anoyed because it isnt working when they move it to a different button. I think you mistook zoom for the lock on that is only in arcade and realistic.


Also its nothing like the zoom a telescope or binoculars have. I see the zoom button more like a consentrate button. I imagine the pilot leaning forward slightly and scwinting his eyes to make out planes in the distance. Its quite realistic.

[SgtPappy]

You idiots, can't you guys figure out why zoom mode wont work on sim? Because it's efffin SIM MODE!

PILOTS DIDN'T HAVE TELESCOPES MOUNTED ON THE DASHBOARD YOU IDIOTS!

Now dear god, please release the 360 patch tomorrow, this is bullshit, we paid the same amount of money as those damn ps3 users did... watch it be 3-4 more months because of the same bugs that plagued the ps3 patch's release... : (

Dude gtfo now. :-P

[trk29]

Real planes!


One major disappointment, you still can't set l2 and r2 to be rudder pedals as an axis. They still work only as buttons, where rudder is either full-on or full-neutral.



You are wrong try the custom layout 3 the rudders are not on and off with control pad.

[Deascendent]

Dude gtfo now. :-P

Dude YWBWLALB if 360 got the patch first too.

[trk29]

Have you tried mapping the trim to the pads L3 button? Would that work or not?

I haven't tried any mapping except for my pc joystick.

[Robotic Pope]

Dude YWBWLALB if 360 got the patch first too.

*(you would be whining like a little *****)

Deascendent don't act like an ass. There a plenty of 360 people on this forum that aren't whining. In fact I think you are the one one, the rest of us 360 guys have said "oh good its finaly out on PS3 is it good?". So how can you say sgt Pappy would also be whinning if it came out on 360 first when the odds would be against this?

[monyetension]

I haven't tried any mapping except for my pc joystick.
well bro, its seem that my Thrust Master RnD mapping goes on par wiv DS3 by now...I'd buy it from amazon around 2 weeks ago, it was kinda pain in da arse coz they didn't ship to asia, but sumhow i'd manage to get a favor from my friend that live in US help sort up for me...

but then...atleast diz time i don't need to remapping each time i'd play others game after remapping & need to remap again on IL2: BoP...

i'll try to utilize da extra R2 & L2 on sumting...ATM still akward using it...:rolleyes:

thanks bro for the recomendation luv it...;)

[Flyboy69]

When will the update with cockpits be out?

[Robotic Pope]

When will the update with cockpits be out?

your guess is as good as anybody elses unfortunately

[kozzm0]

The P51 is certainly capable in terms of handling, but as armaments go its like a neutered Hurricane.

What you don't like 500lb bombs or vicious rows of 10 HVAR's? It's a murderous attack plane, better armed than a stormovik.

I hope they didn't make p51 close to the spitfire though. It's max sustained turn is 24s while the spit's is 19s. It should not be gaining degrees on a spit in a loop chase. Getting angles on a spit or la5 should require some very clever 3d maneuvering for p51, or of course an good angle to start with.

But for those who like p51's, here is where I found the best info on its turning abilities. All the original Republic tests show nothing but climb rate, airspeed, drag, etc.

http://www.combatsim.com/htm/nov98/energy-man2.htm

Check out the last charts of the bf109's, too. The p51 can get angles on a 109 at lower speeds, but at higher speeds the 109's get the angles. Right about even depending on tactics. Also the F4 is waaay better than the g-6 at degrees/s, especially at lower speeds.

You are wrong try the custom layout 3 the rudders are not on and off with control pad.

yeah I done figgered that out eventually but unfortunately everything else is so different that I can't use that layout online. Having a real rudder is important, but it turns out I need that fine throttle control more. Especially now that it's easier to disappear while your opponent has blackout vision. Also kept looking at the map when it was time to fire.

[Riceball]

Good to see the patch is out. I hope MS puts it on the fast track.

It's been a while, and I'm ready to get back up.

[trk29]

AM I SERIOUSLY THE ONLY SIM PLAYER THAT'S BEEN CALLING FOR A NON-CLICKABLE RIGHT STICK LOOK AROUND FUNCTION ASWELL AS A WORKABLE ZOOM?????
Can no one find a work around with this so-called total customizable mapping feature?
As trk29 has documented, the best SIM pad layout is the default 3 map but the zoom is on the square button & so is completely impractible to use when scanning around or manouevring etc.
I have spent the evening copying that otherwise workable map to the custom page & wish to put the zoom to the L3 (thumbstick click as this is redundant on SIM in this map) but whatever is attempted, the f****** zoom (the most wanted mappable button for SIM players with pads)will NOT register, no matter what button you assign zoom to (but will register in arcade & realistic, the modes that don't even require this due to the padlock view). I have tried disabling one zoom button (as the map contains 2 zoom slots & 2 target cam slots), then the other, & even mirroring the same button to both zooms but IT WILL NOT WORK.

This was the only button needed for SIM players who wanted the dedicated Rightstick look around & it's beyond frustration that, still, it is the only function that can't be customized.
PLEASE HELP. I'm hoping it's just me missing something stupid here!!!:(

Hey I tried to get the click on R3 to work for zoom and other buttons and I figured out the same thing as you it works on arcade and realistic but not sim. Hope fully Anton will read this and provide us with a answer.

So I don't know why the zoom function is not working.


EDIT: I just noticed something with the P-51. I remapped the custom and when I fly this plane with this layout the plane stalls just like before, if I pause the game and go back to default 3 mapping the plane doesn't stall.
All sensitivities stay the same... Weird.

[Cavefish]

I'm using the Thrustmaster stick.
The braking at 0% throttle doesn't seem to be working. Is anyone else having problems braking with a flight stick or do I have something set up wrong with my custom layout?

BTW - Awesome job on the update Devs!
Love everything else about it.

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

Do I smell another ban? XD

[trk29]

yeah I done figgered that out eventually but unfortunately everything else is so different that I can't use that layout online. Having a real rudder is important, but it turns out I need that fine throttle control more. Especially now that it's easier to disappear while your opponent has blackout vision. Also kept looking at the map when it was time to fire.

Im liking this layout the only thing that is really different is the throttle buttons and the rudder buttons. I didn't like my throttle staying at mid throttle. To each his own.

[irrelevant]

my two cents:

i absolutely love this game. seriously, with the scoring fixed in MP and the blackout/redout, i was having so much fun tonight. AND! now i can have free look and the ability to land in sim! woo!

i don't know if it was just me, but some of the planes really seem to haul booty now. when i was flying the 190 d9, i couldn't believe how fast it seemed to be.

i had joss ackland's voice in the back of my head the whole time... "EPIC DOGFIGHTS!" :evil::evil::evil:

:cool:

[SgtPappy]

How does the Anton handle?

I'm hoping to get online at least once after school's out. I hope to duel some of the upgraded planes.

[Mr_Steven]

Do the planes still have to be either within 100 feet or beyond 5 miles to be visible?

[FilthyPrick]

Do the planes still have to be either within 100 feet or beyond 5 miles to be visible?

Nope, this is fixed unless I am imagining things. Also, last night was excellent - never had so many players around at one time or such short waits for a session on sim.

Thnks Anton and crew - the game is now worthy of your efforts - will pat for the DLC tonight as promised:-)

[philabong2]

great games tonight! handling is much better on P-51, blackouts do take this game to another level tho i didnt managed to totally phase out in prolonged high G turns , got the tunnel vision but never totally blacked out.
scoring is alot better too (maybe too much cause i got credited for a kill like 5 minutes after a landed the shots, crashed and respawnd)

just nice 2 see more action online :)

[durangodoug]

Did anyone else get a huge smile on their face when they shot down a 109 with a P51 on realistic or sim earlier tonight? I'm not sure how many of you guys got the DLC, but the P-47 has been updated. It still flies like a fridge at certain altitudes, but down low its great...and fast as hell. And that's good, because the flak is deadly now, it adds a totally new level to the game. I've always thought this game was awesome, now its awesome x10. Great patch.

P.S. I've been playing single player all night, I've noticed your wingmen are good at their jobs now. They stay closer to you in formation and actually shoot down planes much quicker. I haven't noticed a difference in the enemy AI, but with the blackouts and redouts it gets pretty difficult to stay on an enemy's tail, more fun in my opinion.

[monyetension]

indeed...

IL2 Sturmovik: Bird of Prey FTW!!!

[Chrester]

I read somewhere earlier in this thread that the deadzone for joystick is much better now.
Im on 360 and have the av8tr and the deadzone was horrible on 360. No whey you could finetune your aiming :(
Is it better now after the patch?

[juz1]

I thought the deadzone was a hardware issue on the 360...sorry...

If 360 update makes it before Christmas I will soil myself...
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[stealth finger]

I thought the deadzone was a hardware issue on the 360...sorry...



On 360 it is unfortunatly. I saw MajorNelson playing il2 they other day. Sent him a message saying something on the lines of "il2, nice. you using a stick? anychance of doing anything about the deadzone?" needless to say he didnt reply but whatever lol

[Jazzy Jase]

Can anyone tell me if this patch will allow the Microsoft Sidewinder 2 joystick to work and with the force-feedback?

I've currently got the 360 version, but if the PS3 version can use my trusty old Sidewinder I'll trade it in for a PS3 copy!

[InfiniteStates]

The P51 is certainly capable in terms of handling, but as armaments go its like a neutered Hurricane.What the P-51D's 6 .50 machine guns??? ...Try the P-51B and the MC.202 now they ARE underarmed.

What you don't like 500lb bombs or vicious rows of 10 HVAR's? It's a murderous attack plane, better armed than a stormovik.
Sorry for not being more specific - I was talking about the P51B. I'm sure it was only 4MGs... which is 1/3 of the Hurricane. Hence my comment. And I haven't unlocked any additional armaments because the plane has only just become flyable.



How does the Anton handle?
Dunno, ask his wife lol :-P

Great work devs - much appreciated (by most).

[David603]

Sorry for not being more specific - I was talking about the P51B. I'm sure it was only 4MGs... which is 1/3 of the Hurricane. Hence my comment. And I haven't unlocked any additional armaments because the plane has only just become flyable.
P51B has 4 .50cal MGs, and the Hurri has 12 .303cal MGs, but a .50cal has about twice the firepower of a .303cal, so the P51B isn't too far behind a Hurri and the P51D should have pretty much the same punch as the Hurricane.

[Araqiel]

PILOTS DIDN'T HAVE TELESCOPES MOUNTED ON THE DASHBOARD YOU IDIOTS!

Adolf Galland did. ;)

[trk29]

I read somewhere earlier in this thread that the deadzone for joystick is much better now.
Im on 360 and have the av8tr and the deadzone was horrible on 360. No whey you could finetune your aiming :(
Is it better now after the patch?

Yes it is better for the ps3 and you can adjust it now. I didn't really have to adjust the deadzone either, its good the way is is now.

[trk29]

Can anyone tell me if this patch will allow the Microsoft Sidewinder 2 joystick to work and with the force-feedback?

I've currently got the 360 version, but if the PS3 version can use my trusty old Sidewinder I'll trade it in for a PS3 copy!

Hello I have the MS Sidewinder but not the force feedback one. I could get everything to work except the throttle. The playstation doesn't register the throttle button. I hooked it back up to my mac to check and make sure the button wasn't broken and it worked on my mac.

We may be the only people here with a Sidewinder stick.

[Dubbedinenglish]

I finfished the "inspect the airfields" mission :D



Also love the feel of the P-51D now.

[kozzm0]

Adolf Galland did. ;) (have a telescope mounted on the dashboard)

Galland wasn't just any pilot, he was in charge of practically the whole Luftwaffe, it was his job to see everything going on for miles around

but there's no reason for a pilot to not have binoculars. Thing with the game is you can see farther away in real life, even without magnification. The screen resolution prevents planes at distance from being rendered visibly enough to look like anything.

I tried to get the zoom cam working in custom, didn't work, used layout 3 for the rudder but you can't use the square button and right stick at the same time. So I went back to aviator layout. Now I just spot the big black splotch, watch its lateral motion, and use my instincts to figure out where it will be when it's in sight.

[flynlion]

Yes it is better. I didn't really have to adjust the deadzone either, its good the way is is now.

We are probably beating this point to death but I really hope this holds true for the 360 version :-P

[InfiniteStates]

We are probably beating this point to death but I really hope this holds true for the 360 version :-P
Sounds like Microsoft might be an obstruction for you there. I hope not, but don't get your hopes up...:(

[Jazzy Jase]

Hello I have the MS Sidewinder but not the force feedback one. I could get everything to work except the throttle. The playstation doesn't register the throttle button. I hooked it back up to my mac to check and make sure the button wasn't broken and it worked on my mac.

We may be the only people here with a Sidewinder stick.

Awww. Shame as I love that stick. Thanks for trying it out for me.

[Houndstone Hawk]

Hello I have the MS Sidewinder but not the force feedback one. I could get everything to work except the throttle. The playstation doesn't register the throttle button. I hooked it back up to my mac to check and make sure the button wasn't broken and it worked on my mac.

We may be the only people here with a Sidewinder stick.

I too have the Sidewinder; it's the ffb precision pro model & no, the throttle doesn't work.

Also have the PS3/PC thrustmaster hotas & can't get the hatswitch to accept axis settings for view panning (i guess because the hatswitch is a series of switches as opposed to axis) & so the only option for me on SIM (for an unrestricted freelook viewing motion & a zoom) is once again the gamepad & my frustration is paramount in that the only switch that has issues on SIM is the zoom mapping, & worse still, it will work on the 2 other modes I never play, lol!!!
Sure hope it can be sorted. I've tried the otherwise ok, default 3 map & viewing the outside world & zooming a chosen spot whilst flying is near impossible. Sure gives the fingers a yoga-style workout. Copying the default 3 map & being able to map the zoom onto the L3 on SIM mode would be the answer. :rolleyes:

[InfiniteStates]

...so the only option for me on SIM (for an unrestricted freelook viewing motion & a zoom) is once again the gamepad & my frustration is paramount...
Can you not use a USB mouse to free look with a flight stick?

[Houndstone Hawk]

Can you not use a USB mouse to free look with a flight stick?

Kinda defeats the object of enjoying a flightsim on a console & couch when you have to sit up at a surface to use a mouse but thanks for the idea. Will def. give it a go!

[trk29]

Control map default 3.
I stated earlier that trim didn't work...... I found out d-pad down is trim:grin:

[edal86]

Control map default 3.
I stated earlier that trim didn't work...... I found out d-pad down is trim:grin:

can anyone help me please?

I managed to customize the control layout of my dreams :) However, I dont know why my plane spins out so easily even when I have sensibility set to "0".

Has anyone solved this?

[Mr Greezy]

QQ the P-51 should be the HANDS down best plane in the game :(

Uhhh...the P-51 is NOT the best dogfighter of WWII. Hate to burst your bubble but the P-51's main role was high altitude long range bomber escort. Under 5,000 feet, which is where most of the combat takes place in BoP, there are PLENTY of planes that should be dominating the P-51. It definitely needed a fix, for sure, but I don't know about the "best plane in the game".

[trk29]

can anyone help me please?

I managed to customize the control layout of my dreams :) However, I dont know why my plane spins out so easily even when I have sensibility set to "0".

Has anyone solved this?

I said this in a previous post. I made a custom layout and when I was flying the P-51 it was hard to control and kept stalling out like it was before the patch came out. I paused the game and went back to default 3 and it flew fine.

[SgtPappy]

I said this in a previous post. I made a custom layout and when I was flying the P-51 it was hard to control and kept stalling out like it was before the patch came out. I paused the game and went back to default 3 and it flew fine.

I haven't really noticed any difference in other planes. Is it just the P-51 that's behaving this way? Because as of right now, the flaps and trim buttons are just too awkward for me using Layout 3 so I have to use the semi-nerfed cutom layout.

[XR62MIB]

I am very jealous right now and I think the polite thing to do would be for all PS3 users to not play until the 360 patch is up. ;)

[edal86]

I said this in a previous post. I made a custom layout and when I was flying the P-51 it was hard to control and kept stalling out like it was before the patch came out. I paused the game and went back to default 3 and it flew fine.

* This is not happening when flying the P-51, it happens with all planes, even the BF 109, which never stalls and spinouts.

* I tried all possibilities of altering the deathzone and nonlinearity for rudder, ailerions, elevator, but it still stalls, I have to be VERY VERY gentle with the pad analog sticks so it does not spinout violently

[lost cause]

Well, the Mustangs are more stable and I can actually combat with them, but they will still stall, even in arcade, if you get too rough with it. The 190's are better in that reguard also, especially the Dora, but they are still inferior to a lot of planes in turn radius. I love the drastically reduced numbers for unlocks, but it looks like they didn't touch the trophies (one is fifty landings on sim in CAT, another is 100 wins with an IL2!), but a platinum trophy can now be had!!!! I ordered a T-Hostas stick as I take u guys word that the problems are fixed, except maybe the zoom. There are a few more pleasant surprises yet to try (other plane model changes like P-47). All in all, I really like it. The scoring in MP is nice!! There were numerous games going on in Sim!!!!! I didn't join yet as I need a stick, but that was a first for me.

However, one negative. I got booted out of games or lobby 3 times last nite for lost connection to server, and could not get in to a lobby several more times. Oh well, most is good. Looking forward to getting home tonight!

[trk29]

* This is not happening when flying the P-51, it happens with all planes, even the BF 109, which never stalls and spinouts.

* I tried all possibilities of altering the deathzone and nonlinearity for rudder, ailerions, elevator, but it still stalls, I have to be VERY VERY gentle with the pad analog sticks so it does not spinout violently

Oh ok, that is the only plane I tried the different setups on. I didn't know that.

[InfiniteStates]

...they didn't touch the trophies (one is fifty landings on sim in CAT, another is 100 wins with an IL2!), but a platinum trophy can now be had!!!!
It's 50 landings on realistic CTA, not sim (which is a helluva lot easier) - and a little tip: they don't need to be landings that capture. You can just keep landing over and over on an airfield you already own. I wouldn't try any kind of touch 'n' go - I would come to a complete stop.

And for the 100 missions in an IL2, I'm pretty sure you can do those offline.

However, one negative. I got booted out of games or lobby 3 times last nite for lost connection to server, and could not get in to a lobby several more times. Oh well, most is good. Looking forward to getting home tonight!
Is your PS3 in a DMZ or got ports forwarded? If you don't know what that means, google it - it's usually the cause of connection issues. If you've got blocked ports, and the host has too - failed connection. If only one of you has blocked ports you can usually connect.

[RCfalcon]

I think I speak for just about everyone when I say "WHOOOOOOO" lol

Either way, I haven't got to play around much with it, but I've liked what I've seen so far. The improvements to the P-51 are definately noticable. It feels a lot more nimble and more like...well, a fighter plane. Seems like it might even be more agile than the 109 G's now. Might have to actually trade in my trusty old G-6 if that's the case.

I couldn't tell if they changed the 190's any. It still felt fairly unresponsive to me. I admit I don't fly them often though, so it could be from my inexperience with them.

Still need to get on and test out the MP, but so far this patch seems pretty nice. Maybe I can get my old squadron off of MW2 and we can start wiping folks out again.

[Rhah]

I think I speak for just about everyone when I say "WHOOOOOOO" lol

Either way, I haven't got to play around much with it, but I've liked what I've seen so far. The improvements to the P-51 are definately noticable. It feels a lot more nimble and more like...well, a fighter plane. Seems like it might even be more agile than the 109 G's now. Might have to actually trade in my trusty old G-6 if that's the case.

I couldn't tell if they changed the 190's any. It still felt fairly unresponsive to me. I admit I don't fly them often though, so it could be from my inexperience with them.

Still need to get on and test out the MP, but so far this patch seems pretty nice. Maybe I can get my old squadron off of MW2 and we can start wiping folks out again.


Would you're squadron fancy a friendly match against VAS? Maybe that would be enough to lure them back from the annoying but awesomely fun and stupid game that is MW2?

Also, have you seen the post on here about the upcoming "Battle for Europe" event? We need as many players as possible for this, and the whole event is tailored specifically to squadrons and teamwork.

[haitch40]

i remember when i downloaded this patch i thought it was a system update and had to start the game again lol i passed it without downloading it