About maximizing turn rates...

[trueshotcaller]

Hey fallas,

I was playing this guy yesterday - we both were flying the Spit IX. He had this strategy of taking it way low - under 400 feet, and out-turning me. No matter WHAT I did (we played several matches) to change the sensitivity on my PS3 controller, he ALWAYS out-turned me at the floor like that. Was he using a joystick maybe? Or is there some secret to fighting at that level that I just don't get..?

This dude always ended up getting the firing angle on me, lol it was interesting trying to figure out how he was getting more out of the exact same plane than me... by the way, he wasn't doing any nifty manuevers or anything I don't believe - just out turning me, although he may have been using the vertical axis more or less - these were sim games and it's hard to keep your eye on the opponent with the ps3 controller, especially when you're in a full turn flying that low to the ground.

Any thoughts? I need to learn as much as I can to be a good wingman in the future PS3 tournament that edal I think is organizing.

[trk29]

Hey fallas,

I was playing this guy yesterday - we both were flying the Spit IX. He had this strategy of taking it way low - under 400 feet, and out-turning me. No matter WHAT I did (we played several matches) to change the sensitivity on my PS3 controller, he ALWAYS out-turned me at the floor like that. Was he using a joystick maybe? Or is there some secret to fighting at that level that I just don't get..?

This dude always ended up getting the firing angle on me, lol it was interesting trying to figure out how he was getting more out of the exact same plane than me... by the way, he wasn't doing any nifty manuevers or anything I don't believe - just out turning me, although he may have been using the vertical axis more or less - these were sim games and it's hard to keep your eye on the opponent with the ps3 controller, especially when you're in a full turn flying that low to the ground.

Any thoughts? I need to learn as much as I can to be a good wingman in the future PS3 tournament that edal I think is organizing.

He is probably using a little less throttle. Also make sure you set your flaps to combat this will let you fly at a reduced speed without stalling.

If you use the default control layout most peole stay around 100% because of the awkwardness of the right stick ie. look, throttle, and rudder. If you do what a lot of people are doing now they are using the AV8R layout and your throttle stays at 55% (with R2 to throttle up and L2 throttle down) so you are going slower with a tighter turn radius. I myself don't because I don't like the O button as my trigger.

I was playing lastnight against a friend and we were both using spit IX and most of the time I was able to out turn him but I don't know what control layout he was using.

[philabong2]

watch ur speed: optimal turn speed is around 280-310 for the spit if i remember right
use vertical axis, combat flaps and rudder
and try n keep an eye on the guy... best way is too use the aviator layout with the pad imo: it allows for independent use of all controls and makes it ezr to look around

[stealth finger]

how do you use the av8r layout with a pad? is that a ps3 thing?

[philabong2]

how do you use the av8r layout with a pad? is that a ps3 thing?

not sure about the xbox... while in game go to option - controls - press square (!) to choose controller layout and then scroll right to get to aviator layout- apply. They dont provide the visual map for all the buttons functions and im guessing theres are a few changes between xbox and ps3 cp but do a practice run with this set up and u'll figure it out in no time

[trueshotcaller]

Thanks for your input guys, I didn't know how to get to the other layout option so I'll try with that one tonight.

And yep, I tried turning with lower speed, using the vertical axis, combat flaps, lol dude kept out-turning me - but I'll give it another go soon. The one thing that helps I'm sure is keeping your eye on the other plane, something I could never do in the normal layout.

I'll let you know how it works out...

[Lexandro]

Hes probably inducing a minor stall and using it to manouver. Just catching it right as its about to dip a wing can give you a tighter turn when done properly.

[kozzm0]

Thanks for your input guys, I didn't know how to get to the other layout option so I'll try with that one tonight.

And yep, I tried turning with lower speed, using the vertical axis, combat flaps, lol dude kept out-turning me - but I'll give it another go soon. The one thing that helps I'm sure is keeping your eye on the other plane, something I could never do in the normal layout.

I'll let you know how it works out...

Set the spit 9's elevator sensitivity to 6 notches below the top, then you won't wobble while you're turning. Every wobble in your flight path can be used by your opponent to gain angles.

[stealth finger]

not sure about the xbox... while in game go to option - controls - press square (!) to choose controller layout and then scroll right to get to aviator layout- apply. They dont provide the visual map for all the buttons functions and im guessing theres are a few changes between xbox and ps3 cp but do a practice run with this set up and u'll figure it out in no time

must be a ps3 thing on xbox, go into options, press x for controls then it just tells you the controls no way to change them and no other options. The control scheme when I plug my av8r in is different to the pad but I cant see away to change them. Hopefully the patch (whenever it finally drops on the box) will allow for customizable controls.

actually, whats the trim button for the av8r layout. i think its B but not entirely sure as no where on the xbox version tells you.

[Lexandro]

ON the xbox controls page you can move the selector at the bottom to see the buttons for each flight mode (eg arcade/realistic/sim) and it should list the buttons for the stick in there.

[trueshotcaller]

Online again today... I'm convinced that the top players are using one of the flight sticks - the ps3 controller can't be set to match their steady turn rate... I'll have to get one to really compete.

[InfiniteStates]

Online again today... I'm convinced that the top players are using one of the flight sticks - the ps3 controller can't be set to match their steady turn rate... I'll have to get one to really compete.
I don't think you do - by all means get one for the immersion factor or whatever, but you don't need one to compete.

Use the aviator layout and turn your elevator sensitivity down as little as possible but so that you can pull the joypad to its extreme and not stall. Use combat flaps (click left stick on aviator) and enter a turn with no throttle then give it full throttle through the turn. Throttle gives lift and lift pulls you round the corner :)

Practise in training before going online though lol

[kozzm0]

Online again today... I'm convinced that the top players are using one of the flight sticks - the ps3 controller can't be set to match their steady turn rate... I'll have to get one to really compete.

edal, mirgervin and I all use ps3 controller aviator layout, just about every other good dogfighter I've played against too. Flight sticks would actually have a disadvantage since their hat controls don't work right.

The spitfire's corner speed is somewhere around 300kph, I don't know exactly where. The closer you stay to that speed, the faster your turning circle will be. Faster planes like yak-3 and la7 are somewhere around 370, and I think la5 is around 330 to 350.

A lot of people will slow down to their minimum turn radius because it gets them quick angles, but if they don't hit their shot, they lose even more angles because their turn rate is reduced. This includes the stall moves - watch for them and dodge them, then take advantage. When a plane gets into a flat 250kph turn, it's not turning at its fastest rate anymore, so the plane that flies the higher-radius yo-yo turns will keep its speed faster and eventually be able to line up a shot.

To escape from a slow turn fight, wait till your opponent is aiming past you and almost has enough lead, then break into a flat scissors. If you have the slower plane, it will give you an advantage.

each plane also has an ideal elevator setting. Spitfires 6 notches below full, la5's full elevator. la7's, about 3 notches below. Yaks at about 4 notches from the top. Ailerons full with most planes.