"Battle for Europe" Competition (PS3 SIM Players) "Year: 1946"

[edal86]

:)

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

Hell yes!

LOL, I love how you put VAS and Penor Flight. Penor Flight is only 2 people. XD, me and Dubbinenglish :P

I don't really mind what team (A or B) I'm on. Whatever you thinks fits best. :)

[InfiniteStates]

Hell yea sign me up... But apologies to fellow VAS guys - I voted fresh teams. I know some of you have probably been itching to see organised combat for your flights, but I think the competition would be better off if the teams were balanced (i.e. Edal and Mirgervin* on opposite teams lol).

Just out of curiosity Edal, did you ever play EndWar?


* I don't think Mirgervin is in VAS, but there are a lot of good pilots who are...

[edal86]

infinitestates,

never played end war, but I was fan of Age of Empires, Empire Earth, Company of Heroes, and other PC strategy games.

I dont think VAS vs Everyone else will be unfair teams at all because there are many new players that are dominating the skies right now (maninovka, mirgervin Ar_kozz, etc..) My first post on this forum was to sign up for the VAS squadron a long time ago and we just didnt really do anything with it. It would be great to finally make some use of VAS squadron but that is why I included a Poll, so that you guys can vote about it, after all, it is you guys that will make this tournament possible.

[SgtPappy]

Exams are keeping me from playing at all...

But if anyone of the pros could help me learn formation flying and wingman tactics sometime after Christmas, I'd really appreciate it.

I don't have a mic for the PS3 though. :(

[kozzm0]

AR_Kozz

Team CCCP!!!

Considering there have been no team competitions yet, team USSR could just be organized as team VVS.

Then it would be VAS vs VVS.

Penor flight could just be part of one or the other.

... and Mirgervin should get to be on team USSR too :)

how is formation flying going to work on maps where people respawn?

[trueshotcaller]

Count me in!

I'm not on anyone's squadron or team or whatever, but I'd like to fly a Spit if I could. I may need a bit of training up - I'm on pretty often learning a few skillz...

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

This will be awesome, and after one team wins, we can set up again and with new teams. Like a never ending thing. XD

[edal86]

AR_Kozz

Team CCCP!!!

Considering there have been no team competitions yet, team USSR could just be organized as team VVS.

Then it would be VAS vs VVS.

Penor flight could just be part of one or the other.

... and Mirgervin should get to be on team USSR too :)

how is formation flying going to work on maps where people respawn?

Each team will respawn on their side of the map for all events of this tournament (team deathmatches, capture airfield, and strike), so at first you will be able to fly in formation, real pilots try not to die and having a wingman will help you stay alive. In case you die you will respawn on your side of the map, if you like you can contact your team members or flight group and set a rally point, from there you can continue flying in formation.

I intend teams to be big in numbers so that you will at least find 3 or 4 members of your team online at any time and also 3 or 4 enemies.

** continue posting questions, I will post a complete description of the rules and all you will need to know when the patch arrives, If we never get the patch dont worry, I will still make it work :) **

[Rhah]

Awesome idea mate... this should be good fun. Count me in, and I don't mind what team I fly for.

[Spitfire23]

yeah brilliant idea! nice one, sign me up :grin:

[Mage_016]

Perkele, mieshän on nero, as we finns say. You can try to translate that in google. Count me in bro. I'd like to see some vas action in this.. But mixed teams are also fine for me. Scheduling this will be hard I think..

[InfiniteStates]

Perkele, mieshän on nero, as we finns say.
LOL yep - quite agree :)
Google couldn't translate "mieshän", but it's not rocket science to work out...

[haitch40]

ok sign me up
i like team games
btw for chat will i need a mic?

[winny]

I'm probably going to regret this (when I'm a flaming ball of twisted metal)..

But, Sign me up.
Team wise I'm not that bothered but I'm a Spitfire-o-phile.

If you guys have gone to the trouble of setting up squadrons it'd be a shame not to use them. You could always rethink if the first game is horrendously one sided.

My skill level on sim is improving but I'd still say I was a novice.

PSN: winny1973

[dkwookie]

I will throw my hat in the ring for this too. I am arcade based but will give it my best

PSN dkwookie

[FilthyPrick]

Ok, count me in...thanks for making the effort to set this up.

[haitch40]

edal i think plane selection should go like this
so many battles= a year
each country you take you get their planes
and the usa should ally britain
also in march time (if im not too ocupied by revision for gcse's and gt5 il make a realistic version for this

[P-51]

Join me up! Id like to be in a VAS team but if not then USSR (team b? already forgotten!) My PSN is down in my sig :D

I want to say Edal, i thank you very much for organising these events. If there was no you then this wouldnt be possible! Thanks!:grin:

[droz]

count me in, but not till the patch is released for PS3. I will fly for whichever team. Prefer german planes.

droz6699

[kozzm0]

If one side is able to hold Germany for enough turns, it should get jets. Otherwise, whose gonna bother using German planes...

If the USSR is in control of Norway, why would they bother crossing all that land when they could just directly attack the UK from Norway

I don't think very many of us have B-17's. It takes a while to get them and there's not many chances to use bombers in sim mode.

If possible, there should be team threads created with group permissions so only team members can get into them. If the mods here have the power to set group permissions... this is a phpbb right

[edal86]

If one side is able to hold Germany for enough turns, it should get jets. Otherwise, whose gonna bother using German planes...

If the USSR is in control of Norway, why would they bother crossing all that land when they could just directly attack the UK from Norway

I don't think very many of us have B-17's. It takes a while to get them and there's not many chances to use bombers in sim mode.

If possible, there should be team threads created with group permissions so only team members can get into them. If the mods here have the power to set group permissions... this is a phpbb right

* It may look dumb for the USSR to cross all that land instead of attacking from Norway, but I made it this way so that the tournament does not end with a single invasion. It really does not matter what territory Norway belongs to, I could delete Norway, Finland, and Sweeden from the map if I wanted to. (The objective of this is to add lasting appeal). By the way, there is a major distance difference in invading the UK from France and invading the UK from Norway.

* The reason behind needing the B-17G to invade the UK or USSR is so that teams dont Ignore Italy. Remember, this tournament will take place after the patch, the patch will make it easier to obtain the B-17G. The patch will also alter the P-51. Please be patient and dont worry about these things yet.

-I have the B-17G, I know many others have it too, can you guys post if you have it please

* Are you forgetting about the Bf 109 lovers? :) This is no longer a 1 vs 1 tournament I am sure there are many players out there that will use the Fw 190 and Bf 109 K-4 to down bombers (myself included). Be creative, for example: I can fly the Fw190D and have a team member as a wingman flying a more agile plane (La7, or Spitfire), I would take care of a bomber and he would take care of my ass.


- Again, I mean for this tournament to include tactics, and communication its no longer an obligatory lone wolf, 1 vs 1 tournament. I believe the smarter team will win.

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

Bf-109K4 lover right here! Just can't use it in 1v1.

[kozzm0]

I can fly the Fw190D and have a team member as a wingman flying a more agile plane (La7, or Spitfire), I would take care of a bomber and he would take care of my ass.

That is the one useful role of the fw190. It rolls very fast, and it has enough power to attack a bomber from below without falling behind into range of the gunner. Also it has plenty of ammunition. I have some doubts about whether any of the BOP fighters will do so good against B-17's though.


- Again, I mean for this tournament to include tactics, and communication its no longer an obligatory lone wolf, 1 vs 1 tournament. I believe the smarter team will win.

This means you will finally have to get a headset, I think.

[P-51]

I have the B-17 :D i would also use a FW190/BF109 in the game, if only to add some realism. Dont forget that the FW190 is being looked at aswell, it has the same problem as the P-51!

[haitch40]

i want the b17
if anyone has any time can we do some 3 minuite arcade strike matches where you let me win so i can unlock it

[P-51]

i want the b17
if anyone has any time can we do some 3 minuite arcade strike matches where you let me win so i can unlock it

Gimme a shout if you have some time as ill let you win, it'l give me some flying time in my B-17 lol, i havnt actualy flown it!

[haitch40]

Gimme a shout if you have some time as ill let you win, it'l give me some flying time in my B-17 lol, i havnt actualy flown it!

ok il use the ju87 d3 so i can get the 190 f8 as well

[InfiniteStates]

I have the B-17 and believe me, any fighter can take it down - it's made of paper lol. If the FW is fixed in the patch I would also fly that in an anti-bomber role as long as I had anti-fighter escorts. I also love flying the 109g6.

I'm definitely up for letting guys win strike matches to get the B17 if you'll just let me destroy some targets for the few remaining weapon unlocks I need :)

EDIT: also, if it believed we can make balanced teams with VAS vs others then change my vote from "Fresh random teams" to the top option. Which at this stage will make it 7-6 in favour of "VAS vs Everyone Else". And lol @ the forum underlining "favour" in red :P

[trk29]

I have the B-17 and believe me, any fighter can take it down - it's made of paper lol. If the FW is fixed in the patch I would also fly that in an anti-bomber role as long as I had anti-fighter escorts. I also love flying the 109g6.

I'm definitely up for letting guys win strike matches to get the B17 if you'll just let me destroy some targets for the few remaining weapon unlocks I need :)

EDIT: also, if it believed we can make balanced teams with VAS vs others then change my vote from "Fresh random teams" to the top option. Which at this stage will make it 7-6 in favour of "VAS vs Everyone Else". And lol @ the forum underlining "favour" in red :P

Sorry I can't edit your vote.

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

I don't have the b-17 wither. Maybe next week someone could help me? :). I only need like 20 more wins I think <---- THINK!!! lol, might be a lot more though. :(

[trk29]

I don't have the b-17 wither. Maybe next week someone could help me? :). I only need like 20 more wins I think <---- THINK!!! lol, might be a lot more though. :(


If you catch me online I would be glad to help. I'm off work all week. Edal and I got these early on.

[P-51]

If you catch me online I would be glad to help. I'm off work all week. Edal and I got these early on.

Same! Just give me a shout :D

[philabong2]

count me in too guys

I have absolutly no pref over either of the options and dont have the B-17 yet

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

If you catch me online I would be glad to help. I'm off work all week. Edal and I got these early on.

<3

[trk29]

If we were all online at the same time you three against me and I will lose everytime. :-P

Recommend arcade mode so it will go faster.

[Varcus2]

Very good idea Edal.. One more time i can say!
I regret my poor english cause i don t understand the most thing was write here. I can say i would like to be a pilot of a luftwaffe staffel.. My prefer warbirds are 109 F4 and Fw 190. So i m waiting news and i try to be an experten.. :)

[He-111]

please Sign me up for VAS
This tournament looks awsome!
Any idea when it is going to be held (Saturdays, Fridays, etc...)?

PSN: zjo

[He-111]

If we were all online at the same time you three against me and I will lose everytime. :-P

Recommend arcade mode so it will go faster.

Could you help me as well?

I need around 15 to 20 wins....:(

[edal86]

please Sign me up for VAS
This tournament looks awsome!
Any idea when it is going to be held (Saturdays, Fridays, etc...)?

PSN: zjo

I will explain this later, hopefully you will also like the idea behind how matches are "scheduled". To be honest the only scheduled matches will be those that involve invading or capturing a team's home land (UK, or USSR).

*** reminder to all***
- I will use the first 3 posts of this thread as bulletin boards, so be sure to check them regularly for any update or news,

--------------------------------------------THANKS FOR VOTING :) -----------------------------------------------

[edal86]

Very good idea Edal.. One more time i can say!
I regret my poor english cause i don t understand the most thing was write here. I can say i would like to be a pilot of a luftwaffe staffel.. My prefer warbirds are 109 F4 and Fw 190. So i m waiting news and i try to be an experten.. :)

OK my friend, I recommend for players that wish to fly mainly german planes to select team B (USSR), because the USSR is most likely to have control of German territories most of the time.

P.S. World Cup 2010, GROUP A (South Africa, Mexico, Uruguay, France) :S
good luck to us my French friend :)

[kozzm0]

Gimme a shout if you have some time as ill let you win, it'l give me some flying time in my B-17 lol, i havnt actualy flown it!

Me too, I need a B-17. I've yet to win a strike match using a bomber.

I ran a couple strikes today that were 4 vs 4, 2 bombers 2 fighters on each side. I noticed a couple things:

) the maps with ships on one side and bunkers other have a big advantage to the side that gets to bomb the ships, they are bigger targets and there's fewer of them

) either using limited ammo, both the fighters and bombers end up having to crash into each other. Or with unlimited ammo, all the bombers will be running around with 60 bombs each

[trk29]

Could you help me as well?

I need around 15 to 20 wins....:(

Sure but I never see you online. I thought you psn was different? I thought it was four letters.
Am I on your list? Send me a message.

[DH1979]

Count me in edal sounds like a good idea my man. PSN Dinho28

[trk29]

* I will post the teams here, please keep voting.

ENLISTED MEMBERS:

* edal86 (vas)
* xx-silence-xx (penor)
* Infinitestates
* kozzmo
* trueshotcaller
* rhah (vas)
* subarugaz (vas)
* mage_016 (vas)
* haitch40 (vas)
* winny
* dkwookie
* filthyprick (vas)
* P-51 (vas)
* drozz
* trk29 (vas)
* philabong2 (vas)
* varcus2

Infinitestates
Is part of V.A.S.

[Varcus2]

OK my friend, I recommend for players that wish to fly mainly german planes to select team B (USSR), because the USSR is most likely to have control of German territories most of the time.

P.S. World Cup 2010, GROUP A (South Africa, Mexico, Uruguay, France) :S
good luck to us my French friend :)

So I choose B team.. And for the world cup our qualfication was lucky, group Not easy-easy but lucky too! In french we say never 2 without 3.. The providence probably help us to win world cup in 3! lool
(without providence it's impossible!)

[irrelevant]

in like flynn... :cool:

[edal86]

in like flynn... :cool:

welcome aboard my friend :)

* To all participants:
- please spread the word about this tournament, the more people we have the better. I will try to get all the participants from the "Ace of Aces Tournament" to join this one too, looks like we might get around 40 players involved in this :)

- its going to be a lot of work for me lol, I hope that you all have a good time and enjoy this competition :D

[olife]

hello guys
great idea edal!!!!!!!!!!!
i want do this new tounament!!!

[Steyr_amr]

Sign me up, will need to blow the dust off my old headset to see if it still works though.

And whatever team you decide in the interests of balancing the numbers.

[edal86]

Sign me up, will need to blow the dust off my old headset to see if it still works though.

And whatever team you decide in the interests of balancing the numbers.

good to have you guys :)

[STINGERSIX78]

hi there. im new here, but i followed this forum since release of bop.
the battle for europe is the reason to sign in here. (i only own a ps3 and its very strange/hard to take a membership here^^ ) but now, i got it.
pls sign me to this battle
gmt +1
STLINGERSLX

[irrelevant]

hi there. im new here, but i followed this forum since release of bop.
the battle for europe is the reason to sign in here. (i only own a ps3 and its very strange/hard to take a membership here^^ ) but now, i got it.
pls sign me to this battle
gmt +1
thx

nice to meet you! it was fun flying with you last night. ;)

[STINGERSIX78]

since the patch comes out, boom and zoom is a very usefull tactic... :)

[trk29]

since the patch comes out, boom and zoom is a very usefull tactic... :)

Welcome and glad to see you have signed up here.

I enjoyed chasing you around the Dover map :)

[STINGERSIX78]

Welcome and glad to see you have signed up here.

I enjoyed chasing you around the Dover map :)

^^
daisy-cutter

[edal86]

hi there. im new here, but i followed this forum since release of bop.
the battle for europe is the reason to sign in here. (i only own a ps3 and its very strange/hard to take a membership here^^ ) but now, i got it.
pls sign me to this battle
gmt +1
thx

welcome :)
sorry, is your psn id = thx?

[STINGERSIX78]

welcome :)
sorry, is your psn id = thx?

sry, was edited...
btw...
did i understand that, when team-A capture germany, then they are able to use the german planes ?

[edal86]

sry, was edited...
btw...
did i understand that, when team-A capture germany, then they are able to use the german planes ?

Yes, If team A captures Germany then Team A will be able to fly German Planes.
- Any territory that a Team captures they also capture the planes assigned to that territory

[Rhah]

Yes, If team A captures Germany then Team A will be able to fly German Planes.
- Any territory that a Team captures they also capture the planes assigned to that territory

I just had a look at the map, and I noticed that Team A starts with Britain and France, and Team B with USSR and Germany. I hadn't noticed that before.
The more I think about this campaign, the more I like it. This is going to be epic.

Now I think about it, I wish I'd voted for VAS vs Everyone in the poll... I originally thought it would be unfair, but after seeing all the s**t hot non-VAS players I've changed my mind.

[STINGERSIX78]

perhaps, u can edited a timeline to the rounds. it startet 1940 and a round goes 6 month, for example. so we have to choose a lot more planes during the whole battle. and not everytime the most powerful plane of each fraction. ^^
like the idea of haitch40.

[Rhah]

perhaps, u can edited a timeline to the rounds. it startet 1940 and a round goes 6 month, for example. so we have to choose a lot more planes during the whole battle. and not everytime the most powerful plane of each fraction. ^^
like the idea of haitch40.

Thats a good idea, although that might cause problems when conquering regions. For example, Team A captures France during the first round, but because the round is still set in 1940, they wouldn't be allowed to access any of the US aircraft. Likewise, conquering Italy early on would be almost pointless, whereas conquering Germany straight away would give access to the early 109's and Heinkels.


Another thing to consider is picking the best hosts to stage the games. We need to find out who has the best upload speed's and then designate a few players from both sides, and different regions, to host the games. Otherwise it may turn into a lag fest if we get the sort of number Edal is talking about

[STINGERSIX78]

hmmm, seems to be difficult, with the timeline. maybe "the brain"- edal have an idea. ^^

i tested my i-net connections on http://www.speedtest.net/
10,88 mb/s download
0,67 mb/s upload
ping 34
(server <50 miles away)
im a it-noob... is that a good connection ?

[Rhah]

hmmm, seems to be difficult, with the timeline. maybe "the brain"- edal have an idea. ^^

i tested my i-net connections on http://www.speedtest.net/
10,88 mb/s download
0,67 mb/s upload
ping 34
(server <50 miles away)
im a it-noob... is that a good connection ?

F**ked if I know mate, I was hoping you might know about such things!!
I know that 10mb download is pretty decent (mine's only 8mbps, but i'm lucky if I get 4mbps :confused:), but too run a decent server I think you need to have a good upload speed. Maybe one of the more tech-savvy types around here can help?

[InfiniteStates]

Another thing to consider is picking the best hosts to stage the games. We need to find out who has the best upload speed's and then designate a few players from both sides, and different regions, to host the games. Otherwise it may turn into a lag fest if we get the sort of number Edal is talking about
+1 right there...

Upload speed is the most important. We might need some "host tryouts"? lol

[Rotor Trash]

Sign me up.
hopefully i can get a new tv before the comp.

[P-51]

My speed is dreadfully slow...

[edal86]

just did the test

results:

download = 29.98 Mb/s
upload = 3.54 Mb/s
ping = 80

* I have hosted 12 player games many times with no problem

*** Please test your connection (thanks for link) ***

[InfiniteStates]

* I have hosted 12 player games many times with no problem
Yeah, I have to say, those games you were hosting last night were impressive. The only time there was lag was when someone left, but that is standard issue (and brief). That is an unusually high upload speed you have there though. Do you live next door to the Pentagon, and they didn't password their wireless network? Noobs lol.

You now go on my esteemed list of people I've seen hosting a 10+ player match without problem. The list now consists of 2. And I can't remember who the other guy was... :)

EDIT: I've tested my maximum hosting capacity and it turns out to be 8 players.

[P-51]

Download=1.96mb/s
Upload=0.25mb/s
Ping=30

[P-51]

EDIT: I've tested my maximum hosting capacity and it turns out to be 8 players.

How?

[InfiniteStates]

LOL by hosting, then asking people if it was laggy :)

Nothing official or clever I'm afraid.

[P-51]

Ohhh! lol.

I thought there was a special site for that too.. :P

[STINGERSIX78]

i hosted a 12 man server too. no problems. even not in other games.

[InfiniteStates]

i hosted a 12 man server too. no problems. even not in other games.
Did you ask others? You obviously won't see problems as the host - it's others that will have the problems :)

[trk29]

Mine

Last Result:
Download Speed: 7561 kbps (945.1 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 488 kbps (61 KB/sec transfer rate)

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

Down = 13.62
Up = .95
Ping = 27

I remember playing withs omeone (I think it was AR_Kozz) and he has a godly upload speed. Like 9 something. :O

But, I don't think this is the way we should be testing our connections. The PS3 has a built in capability to measure D'load, U'load, and Ping under "Network connections" I think. Try there, there may be differences between our PC's and our PS3's

[STINGERSIX78]

Did you ask others? You obviously won't see problems as the host - it's others that will have the problems :)

yes, most time i play with a couple of mates from my friendlist. from germany , over uk to us.
but no one from asia.

[Roboslob]

Huh, I did a speed test through rogers and got download:2.39Mbps upload:884Kbps, but when I go through the PS3 network test I only get failed for both, but I've played games online with almost zero lag almost every time.

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

Huh, I did a speed test through rogers and got upload:2.39Mbps download:884Kbps, but when I go through the PS3 network test I only get failed for both, but I've played games online with almost zero lag almost every time.

Higher upload than download? That's rare :)

[Roboslob]

Higher upload than download? That's rare :)

Check again, upload is Kbps, download is Mbps.

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

Check again, upload is Kbps, download is Mbps.

Nope, lol. "upload:2.39Mbps download:884Kbps" Just a lil' mix up on your part :P

[Roboslob]

Nope, lol. "upload:2.39Mbps download:884Kbps" Just a lil' mix up on your part :P

Lol, now I feel stupid :) Oh well its all fixed now.

[kozzm0]

Just about everyone with more than 600 kbits upload should, in theory, be able to host 12 players. Edal's 3 + mbits of upload is T1-line range, it would be able to host up to 50 on a shooter.

But a couple of those 12-player matches the other day did involve some disconnects... remember the strike round in Sicily, where poor Mirgervin ended up on the losing end of a 6 vs 3 battle when the French players were disconnected... right after that was a team battle at Dover, the dots on the map were pretty jumpy and the sides ended up uneven again.

I think geography plays as much if not more of a role than upload bandwidth (download bandwidth pretty much means nothing). Earlier today I was in a 4-player game hosted in the UK, Macademic who is in Moscow lost connection within a couple minutes. Moscow is clear around the world from the western US. I think the more players there are scattered around the world, the less the network is able to handle them.

I'm betting the best 12-player results will be when the host is near the geographic center of the players.

I have also noticed that the French tend to get disconnected from transatlantic matches, quite a bit.

Part of the reason may be that Europe has invested more in their high-bandwidth hardware than the US or Russia.

My upload is 896 kbits max, it usually cruises around 700.

[edal86]

perhaps, u can edited a timeline to the rounds. it startet 1940 and a round goes 6 month, for example. so we have to choose a lot more planes during the whole battle. and not everytime the most powerful plane of each fraction. ^^
like the idea of haitch40.

* dont think im not following your comments and suggestions guys, keep posting ideas. This particular one, I may consider.

* Im working on the other tournament and my semester finals also, but I will have this baby running by January as I already promised.

[InfiniteStates]

But a couple of those 12-player matches the other day did involve some disconnects... remember the strike round in Sicily, where poor Mirgervin ended up on the losing end of a 6 vs 3 battle when the French players were disconnected...
Oh, they got disconnected? I just thought they quit cos of the B17s :) No offence - I didn't even know they were French :P

* Im working on the other tournament and my semester finals also, but I will have this baby running by January as I already promised.
Don't worry man - you're doing a great job. Worry about your finals first and foremost. I only speak for my myself, but I'm not fussed about starting a new event this close to Xmas. Especially with the other tourney going on. But if you need to leave the eliminations in that one until after Xmas too - that's cool. It's a good break point and a good chance to re-learn how to fly with blackouts etc :)

[kozzm0]

Oh, they got disconnected? I just thought they quit cos of the B17s :) No offence - I didn't even know they were French :P


Since olife, varcus and philabong all have headsets, and hardly anyone else does, when I join a game usually what I hear is French, which drives me nuts cause I can't understand more than a few words of it.

More players need to get headsets, it is vital to winning team battles.

[haitch40]

* dont think im not following your comments and suggestions guys, keep posting ideas. This particular one, I may consider.

* Im working on the other tournament and my semester finals also, but I will have this baby running by January as I already promised.

like i said earlier in this thread but i think no1 read it
i would like it to start at 1940 and your planes only (usa should ally britain as the usa hated the ussr just got on with them in ww2 to defeat hitler) and so many battles should = a year and any countries you take you get their planes

[philabong2]

Since olife, varcus and philabong all have headsets, and hardly anyone else does, when I join a game usually what I hear is French, which drives me nuts cause I can't understand more than a few words of it.

More players need to get headsets, it is vital to winning team battles.

sry bout that m8, but its pretty hard 4 me to speak both langage at the same time or try n translate evrything ppl says on the spot - varcus and olife arent very fluent in english - its also very fun to hear from my french cousins (those guys r great peeps) so we end up in endless discussions which i admit must b pretty annoying for others in the lobby or ingame DF. Again I apologize.

As for headsets, they are vital indeed. I got mine used for about 30 bux at my gamestore.

[P-51]

Since olife, varcus and philabong all have headsets, and hardly anyone else does, when I join a game usually what I hear is French, which drives me nuts cause I can't understand more than a few words of it.

More players need to get headsets, it is vital to winning team battles.

i have a headset!

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

Since olife, varcus and philabong all have headsets, and hardly anyone else does, when I join a game usually what I hear is French, which drives me nuts cause I can't understand more than a few words of it.

More players need to get headsets, it is vital to winning team battles.

AYE!!! I have a headset and you know it :evil: lol, JK

[edal86]

Most of us have headsets. I stop using mine because sometimes the game allowed us to hear each other and sometimes it did not, I think it is fixed now. But yes, as Kozzmo said, they are vital in team matches

[trueshotcaller]

Hi edal,

When you get things rolling, put me with the USSR... earlier I said I wanted to fly a Spit but I'm beginning to hate that plane, lol, just b/c so many others fly it. I hate the Spit so much all I wanna do is shoot it down. That is, if I can - I'm still learning - Spit flyers usually chew me up and *spit* me out!

[kozzm0]

sry bout that m8, but its pretty hard 4 me to speak both langage at the same time or try n translate evrything ppl says on the spot - varcus and olife arent very fluent in english - its also very fun to hear from my french cousins (those guys r great peeps) so we end up in endless discussions which i admit must b pretty annoying for others in the lobby or ingame DF. Again I apologize.

As for headsets, they are vital indeed. I got mine used for about 30 bux at my gamestore.

No it's not annoying, what I meant is the English speakers and German speakers hardly ever use their headsets. If you three are all on the same team, you'll have a big advantage. Besides, French is the military language.


I hate the Spit so much all I wanna do is shoot it down.

Then you've got the potential to be a great la-5 pilot.

One of the most glorious sights in BOP is watching a spit lurch and spin when you hit its big fat wing.

[STINGERSIX78]

KAMERADEN !! AUF IN DEN KAMPF !!! (richard wagners *fly of the valkyre* plays on an old grammophon in the background) ^^ lol
sry...ot

[Dubbedinenglish]

AYE!!! I have a headset and you know it :evil: lol, JK
Aye do too as well.


I would like to make the joining. With the request of being on the same group as Silenz since we fly well together.

[trueshotcaller]

No it's not annoying, what I meant is the English speakers and German speakers hardly ever use their headsets. If you three are all on the same team, you'll have a big advantage. Besides, French is the military language.




Then you've got the potential to be a great la-5 pilot.

One of the most glorious sights in BOP is watching a spit lurch and spin when you hit its big fat wing.

I'm with you 100% Kozz - I'll start practicing more on that plane!

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

Aye do too as well.


I would like to make the joining. With the request of being on the same group as Silenz since we fly well together.

What are you talking about? you bring me waaaaayyyyyyyy down...

JKJK! lol :P We do use tactics well together. :)

[olife]

Since olife, varcus and philabong all have headsets, and hardly anyone else does, when I join a game usually what I hear is French, which drives me nuts cause I can't understand more than a few words of it.

More players need to get headsets, it is vital to winning team battles.

kozzm0 first time we are sorry ,it is right ,with varcus we speak a lot during the game and do a lot of noise
as say philabong(and he is right)we are not good in english and it is very difficult for us to speak and understand english
we will try to speak english but in my opinion u will laugh a lot when u will hear us
philabong my bud!!my cousin!!it is right we are a great peeps!!sorry it must be sometimes funny to hear us but i m agree we must be a bore in the neck to everybody!!we are sorry!exuse guys

[haitch40]

kozzm0 first time we are sorry ,it is right ,with varcus we speak a lot during the game and do a lot of noise
as say philabong(and he is right)we are not good in english and it is very difficult for us to speak and understand english
we will try to speak english but in my opinion u will laugh a lot when u will hear us
philabong my bud!!my cousin!!it is right we are a great peeps!!sorry it must be sometimes funny to hear us but i m agree we must be a bore in the neck to everybody!!we are sorry!exuse guys

i think you speak english fine well you atleast know what ur saying and understand others with psn mailing

[Hrok81]

i think you speak english fine well you atleast know what ur saying and understand others with psn mailing

Yeah mate but believe me, one thing is understand and write mails, another one is speaking and get what people say.
My best friends come from Uk, Us and Oz (I'm from Italy), and sometimes I have the feeling that they talk three different languages ;)
I'm sure olife's english is fine too, but if he's shy to use it for any reason it's understandable to me. No offense of course!! :)

[haitch40]

Yeah mate but believe me, one thing is understand and write mails, another one is speaking and get what people say.
My best friends come from Uk, Us and Oz (I'm from Italy), and sometimes I have the feeling that they talk three different languages ;)
I'm sure olife's english is fine too, but if he's shy to use it for any reason it's understandable to me. No offense of course!! :)

true its like when i try and talk to a german guy who knows perfect english the accent sort of confuses you
the accent of a person is designed to make their native language as clear as posible

[olife]

i think you speak english fine well you atleast know what ur saying and understand others with psn mailing

thanks a lot my bud for the compliment and when an english say that about me it is an honor for me but english is very difficult for me and there are a lot of nationalities on the psn :very differents accents!!!and i understand hrock 81 understand nothing if i speak english because i live in the place of france where people have a typical accent of this place and i try to speak english!!!it is a nightmare to understand me !!!i m sorry guys

[winny]

thanks a lot my bud for the compliment and when an english say that about me it is an honor for me but english is very difficult for me and there are a lot of nationalities on the psn :very differents accents!!!and i understand hrock 81 understand nothing if i speak english because i live in the place of france where people have a typical accent of this place and i try to speak english!!!it is a nightmare to understand me !!!i m sorry guys

Hi Olife.. Your written english is pretty good and is waaaay better than my french!

I always enjoy flying with, or against you because you've always been cool with me and that goes for firepilote too.

What makes this game, is the fact that most of the people playing on here have a common love for WWII aircraft and history, regardless of nationality.

It's quite funny really, you've got all the nationallities who were involved in WWII all now flying against each other and the reason is fun!

Don't apologise for your english. It's not your first language and I think most people realise that.

[Wissam24]

Wissam24,
Team A preferably but I'm not fussy,
and GMT

(or have I missed the boat?)

[He-111]

Sure but I never see you online. I thought you psn was different? I thought it was four letters.
Am I on your list? Send me a message.

I'm sorry my PSN is zjfo!

I forgot one initial of my own name...

I'm online mostly weekends in the morning and afternoons (GMT+0) and sometimes in the afternoons on week days.
I will be more regularly online When I go into christmas brake.

see you then

zjFo

[philabong2]

Yeah mate but believe me, one thing is understand and write mails, another one is speaking and get what people say.
My best friends come from Uk, Us and Oz (I'm from Italy), and sometimes I have the feeling that they talk three different languages ;)
I'm sure olife's english is fine too, but if he's shy to use it for any reason it's understandable to me. No offense of course!! :)

so true
first few games i played online with a mic were against Silence and he thought I was either Russian or German b/c of my accent lol
... maybe I should try the GSP accent, seems to work with the ladies :grin:

edit: @ Olife et varcus - c'est toujours très plaisant de voler et jaser avec vous, ne croyez surtout pas que ça me gêne au contraire - si seulement il y avait plus de francophone sur psn...

[He-111]

* I will post the teams here, please keep voting.

ENLISTED MEMBERS:

* edal86 (vas)
* xx-silence-xx (penor)
* dubbinenglish (penor)
* Infinitestates
* kozzmo
* trueshotcaller
* rhah (vas)
* subarugaz (vas)
* mage_016 (vas)
* haitch40 (vas)
* winny
* dkwookie
* filthyprick (vas)
* P-51 (vas)
* droz6699
* trk29 (vas)
* philabong2 (vas)
* varcus2
* dihno28
* irrelevant24 (vas)
* Mirgervin
* He111 (PSN: zjo)
* olife-
* steyr_amr (vas)
* STLINGERSLX
* rotortrash
* xxwhiterhinoxx

Please edit my PSN it is zjfo.
And I am V.A.S. too.

Thks

[olife]

Hi Olife.. Your written english is pretty good and is waaaay better than my french!

I always enjoy flying with, or against you because you've always been cool with me and that goes for firepilote too.

What makes this game, is the fact that most of the people playing on here have a common love for WWII aircraft and history, regardless of nationality.

It's quite funny really, you've got all the nationallities who were involved in WWII all now flying against each other and the reason is fun!

Don't apologise for your english. It's not your first language and I think most people realise that.

winny my bud thanks a lot for the compliment,i m very honored and it is really fun to play with/vs u.u are very good and fair play
i must progress in english and i must say the game with the headset is one of the best solutions to progress...

...(ps:father christmas give me a girl english teacher ,i prefer her blend,30 year old ,nice, to help me to progress in english.!!!..and give me a real SPITFIRE too!!!!lol)

[olife]

edit: @ Olife et varcus - c'est toujours très plaisant de voler et jaser avec vous, ne croyez surtout pas que ça me gêne au contraire - si seulement il y avait plus de francophone sur psn...[/QUOTE]

cousin philabong,grand as
merci beaucoup pour ces mots vraiment sympa c'est egalement tres plaisant de voler avec toi.d'accord avec toi si il pouvait y avoir plus de francophones ce serait bien...imagine le foutoir dans les micros lors d'un match entres francais raleurs de nature!!!!
au fait si tous les canadiens qui jouent a il2 sont aussi fort que toi,mon dieu il vaut mieux etre vos amis que vos ennemies!!!
salut cousin quebecois et bonne chasse!!!

[edal86]

* welcome wissam24

* HE 111 (PSN id is now fixed)

[He-111]

* welcome wissam24

* HE 111 (PSN id is now fixed)

thanks

[Wissam24]

...(ps:father christmas give me a girl english teacher ,i prefer her blend,30 year old ,nice, to help me to progress in english.!!!..and give me a real SPITFIRE too!!!!lol)
Lucky fellow!

[Wissam24]

Hey Silence, is Penor flight looking for new recruits?

[InfiniteStates]

...(ps:father christmas give me a girl english teacher ,i prefer her blend,30 year old ,nice, to help me to progress in english.!!!..)
WTF? I'm moving to France...beats crappy socks ;)

[kozzm0]

...(ps:father christmas give me a girl english teacher ,i prefer her blend,30 year old ,nice, to help me to progress in english.!!!..)
WTF? I'm moving to France...beats crappy socks ;)

He means, like, Santy Claus, not that his real father actually gave him one.
The Germans call him the Christmas Man.

[haitch40]

WTF? I'm moving to France...beats crappy socks ;)

dont wory the french speak better english than we speak french. actualy that applies to all countries even places like japan although of course they dont speak french :P

[Hrok81]

... even places like japan ...

Mate I have to disagree ;)
I spent a semester in a Japanese Uni, no english at all unless they've studied abroad!

[haitch40]

Mate I have to disagree ;)
I spent a semester in a Japanese Uni, no english at all unless they've studied abroad!

so my friends are all wrong
ok but more of them know english than we know japanese

[haitch40]

oh and i forgot i now have the b17

[kozzm0]

dont wory the french speak better english than we speak french. actualy that applies to all countries even places like japan although of course they dont speak french :P

legacy of the British Empire and American superpower. English is the language of international commerce.

That's one reason English has over 800,000 words, and nobody knows them all. King Aelle would be proud, though he wouldn't be able to understand you.

[InfiniteStates]

English is the language of international commerce.
It's also the language of international air travel - unless your within French air traffic control :rolleyes:

[kozzm0]

It's also the language of international air travel - unless your within French air traffic control :rolleyes:

On the other hand French is the language of war, the legacy of Napoleon. Almost all military words are French. Sergeant, lieutenant, colonel, artillery, infantry, cavalry (chevallerie), calibre, enfilade, bivouac, reveille, engagement, assault, siege, not to mention marines, army, navy and "military" itself are all adapted from French either via Napoleon or the Normans.

[Wissam24]

On the other hand French is the language of war, the legacy of Napoleon. Almost all military words are French. Sergeant, lieutenant, colonel, artillery, infantry, cavalry (chevallerie), calibre, enfilade, bivouac, reveille, engagement, assault, siege, not to mention marines, army, navy and "military" itself are all adapted from French either via Napoleon or the Normans.


Oh god they're everywhere!

[Hrok81]

It's also the language of international air travel ...

I don't wanna sound like a brown noser but it's also a great language. I really do like english.


so my friends are all wrong
ok but more of them know english than we know japanese

Sure they do study english in school and uni, but most of them are so unable to speak!
This is due to their own language. It's something who has nothing to do with english grammar nor pronunciation (sp?). And almost nobody can actually learn a foreign language without having an abroad experience, or at least a mother tongue girlfriend ;)

Sorry for keeping OT

[Wissam24]

To be honest, places like France speak English better than some of us (the English) speak English

[edal86]

Please start a thread on where they speak English better, lol. Just kidding guys.

* hrok81 are you joining the tournament?

* roboslob are you joining the tournament?

[Hrok81]

Mate if u say that my possible lack of time this time won't affect the tournament, then I'll be more than happy to join. Otherwise I prefer to stay out and not cause any trouble to you and the other participants :)

[fangface666]

Mate if u say that my possible lack of time this time won't affect the tournament, then I'll be more than happy to join. Otherwise I prefer to stay out and not cause any trouble to you and the other participants :)

I would like to echo Hrok81's sentiments, I would like to join the fun but cannot be sure I can always fit into the schedule, PS3 in front room, so I cant monopolise the TV for my "midlife crisis" :eek:

[edal86]

I would like to echo Hrok81's sentiments, I would like to join the fun but cannot be sure I can always fit into the schedule, PS3 in front room, so I cant monopolise the TV for my "midlife crisis" :eek:

Yes, no problem. You guys can play whenever you like. Only officers are expected to be online frequently (at least 3 times a week). So you guys can log in once a month if you like you just wont be able to rank up as fast or hold important ranks.

[edal86]

hi there. im new here, but i followed this forum since release of bop.
the battle for europe is the reason to sign in here. (i only own a ps3 and its very strange/hard to take a membership here^^ ) but now, i got it.
pls sign me to this battle
gmt +1
STLINGERSLX

I am not able to add you, it says that the player account does not exist, check that it is correct please.

[STINGERSIX78]

uhhh, my fault...

STLNGERSLX
STlNGERSlX
stLngersLx
^^

[trk29]

I am not able to add you, it says that the player account does not exist, check that it is correct please.

For some reason when you see his name n a lobby it looks like it is written in a different font. I don't know how he did that.

[STINGERSIX78]

because i couldn t use my old name Stingersix for the psn. stinger is a forbidden word for sony. jup, realy...
so i choose little L*s for STlNGERSlX. (instead of STINGERSIX)
in some games (il2,BFBC2...) it was written as STLNGERSLX, and in others STlNGERSlX.

ok, enough... ;)

[edal86]

because i couldn t use my old name Stingersix for the psn. stinger is a forbidden word for sony. jup, realy...
so i choose little L*s for STlNGERSlX. (instead of STINGERSIX)
in some games (il2,BFBC2...) it was written as STLNGERSLX, and in others STlNGERSlX.

ok, enough... ;)

Ok, got it. thanks for clarifying :)

[edal86]

uhhh, my fault...

STLNGERSLX
STlNGERSlX
stLngersLx
^^

new problem , your friend list is full

[kozzm0]

About assigning people to teams, edal... would it not be more fair to have a draft for the unassigned players? Assuming you're gonna be on a team.

Also, I have found the Russian 1C BOP forum, which explains why they don't visit this one. I posted a link to this thread there and an explanation of what it's about, hopefully some of them will show up. What would team USSR be without any Russians on it...

[edal86]

About assigning people to teams, edal... would it not be more fair to have a draft for the unassigned players? Assuming you're gonna be on a team.

Also, I have found the Russian 1C BOP forum, which explains why they don't visit this one. I posted a link to this thread there and an explanation of what it's about, hopefully some of them will show up. What would team USSR be without any Russians on it...

Thanks for inviting russians it would be nice to have them participate.

Give me an example of how you would draft the players. yes, I am also participating :)

There are two small (2 player) squadrons participating, those players will be allowed to be on the same time.

[haitch40]

ive got another idea for this tourny please consider it
a protect the vip sort of game
1 team has a bomber carrying a high rinking general or political leader and the other team have to shoot it down before it reaches its destination.
the team with the vip could have other bombers as decoys as you cant see names in sim mode but then to many and the bombers going to be easy meat so stratergy is key
btw this thread should be stickied

[STINGERSIX78]

great idea ! this would make fun. respekt ...

[trueshotcaller]

This seems like a pretty good idea... maybe edal might plan a mission like this into the overall campaign... by the way, what time zone are you guys in? I'm in the US Eastern time zone and it feels like not many people are playing when I log in at night, rougly from 8pm - midnight, eastern time...

[Zatoichi_Sanjuro]

ive got another idea for this tourny please consider it
a protect the vip sort of game
1 team has a bomber carrying a high rinking general or political leader and the other team have to shoot it down before it reaches its destination.
the team with the vip could have other bombers as decoys as you cant see names in sim mode but then to many and the bombers going to be easy meat so stratergy is key
btw this thread should be stickied

Love that idea.

Really something they should consider as an MP mode for the next game.

[edal86]

ive got another idea for this tourny please consider it
a protect the vip sort of game
1 team has a bomber carrying a high rinking general or political leader and the other team have to shoot it down before it reaches its destination.
the team with the vip could have other bombers as decoys as you cant see names in sim mode but then to many and the bombers going to be easy meat so stratergy is key
btw this thread should be stickied

Yes this sounds like a good idea I will see what I can do. However, I was not going to allow both teams to fly bombers on strike, only the invading team will be able to use bombers and the defenders will fly fighters only.

[kozzm0]

Thanks for inviting russians it would be nice to have them participate.

Give me an example of how you would draft the players. yes, I am also participating :)

There are two small (2 player) squadrons participating, those players will be allowed to be on the same time.

I mention this cause I've got my own intel on who's good at what... and who's invincible at what, also...

Each side would select 1 or 2 players who have played many games in every mode vs most of the players. They would be given 1 or 2 days to "scout" or observe anyone they haven't seen.

Then all the recruiters would log in to a PSN chat room for the draft. If one team starts shorthanded, it gets extra picks at the midway point. For example, if team 1 has 10 players, and team 2 has 8, and there's 20 other players, then after 9 players have been selected, team 2 takes its next pick and then follows with its extras, then it's team 1's turn again. Like this:

2-1
2-1
2-1
2-1
2-2-2
1-2
1-2
1-2
1-2-1

If team 1 has 11 and team 2 has 10 and there's 9 left:

2-1
2-1
2-2
1-2-1

If team 1 and team 2 both have 10, and there's 12 left, choose starter at random, if team 2 wins the coin toss

2-1
2-1
2-1
2-1
2-1
2-1

if it starts real lopsided, like team 1 has 12 players, team 2 has 3 players, and 21 others, it would go:

2-1
2-1
2-1
2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2
1-2
1-2
1-2

which would put all team 2's extra draft picks right dead center of the draft, so they wouldn't get all the best or be stuck with the worst.

I don't really expect many Russians to show up... their IL-2 board has less than 1 page of topics. I guess they don't have all that many ps3's yet.

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

Thanks for inviting russians it would be nice to have them participate.

Give me an example of how you would draft the players. yes, I am also participating :)

There are two small (2 player) squadrons participating, those players will be allowed to be on the same time.

You mean team right? So me and Dubb will be able to play on the same team? =)

[kozzm0]

You mean team right? So me and Dubb will be able to play on the same team? =)

Only if it's at the same time

[trueshotcaller]

The draft idea has me a bit concerned since I really want to shoot down Spits in this tourney...

On a different note, edal, I was looking at the list and it appears that you didn't include the jet fighters - are you excluding them? I'm really beginning to develop a liking for them -- to me they should be included. Not many people like the jet fighters b/c they turn so horribly and are so easily damaged, so the few people who fly them (or one - me) would seem to reflect their relative importance in WWII - being introduced in 1944 but not in enough numbers to make a difference by that late stage...

Anyway let me know when you can, thanks!

[kozzm0]

The draft idea has me a bit concerned since I really want to shoot down Spits in this tourney...

On a different note, edal, I was looking at the list and it appears that you didn't include the jet fighters - are you excluding them? I'm really beginning to develop a liking for them -- to me they should be included. Not many people like the jet fighters b/c they turn so horribly and are so easily damaged, so the few people who fly them (or one - me) would seem to reflect their relative importance in WWII - being introduced in 1944 but not in enough numbers to make a difference by that late stage...

Anyway let me know when you can, thanks!

It would only be a draft of free agents who didn't pick a team. You've already declared for USSR.

[haitch40]

Yes this sounds like a good idea I will see what I can do. However, I was not going to allow both teams to fly bombers on strike, only the invading team will be able to use bombers and the defenders will fly fighters only.

that can be sorted cos u can have fly bombers in tb so that their payload doesnt have any effect if some1 wants to be sneaky

[edal86]

that can be sorted cos u can have fly bombers in tb so that their payload doesnt have any effect if some1 wants to be sneaky

I am not concerned about that. There are many ways that we can work around that. Games will only be played as Strike or Capture the Airfield for the simple reason of having teams started at their designated side of the map.

Sorry guys If I have not updated much on this event I will soon, just a little busy with other things right now but dont worry It will be running by January 2010 :)

[haitch40]

I am not concerned about that. There are many ways that we can work around that. Games will only be played as Strike or Capture the Airfield for the simple reason of having teams started at their designated side of the map.

Sorry guys If I have not updated much on this event I will soon, just a little busy with other things right now but dont worry It will be running by January 2010 :)

oh right im getting the wrong end of everything today

[edal86]

oh right im getting the wrong end of everything today

??? No, your idea is great and I will see what I can do to implement it to this tournament, I thank you for this Idea my friend.

Kozzmo,
How about you and I choose teams? like first captain second captain? I will fly for the UK, you fly for the USSR (as this was your choice). You get first pick. Just let me first consider what teams some participants have chosen.

* To all, dont think I favor kozzmo, but this guy I trust knows who flies how and I know he will help me keep teams even.

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

O! O! Pick me! Pick me!

*Raises hand*

XD

This competition is going to be epic.

[P-51]

Me please, edal sir *salutes*

[haitch40]

??? No, your idea is great and I will see what I can do to implement it to this tournament, I thank you for this Idea my friend.

Kozzmo,
How about you and I choose teams? like first captain second captain? I will fly for the UK, you fly for the USSR (as this was your choice). You get first pick. Just let me first consider what teams some participants have chosen.

* To all, dont think I favor kozzmo, but this guy I trust knows who flies how and I know he will help me keep teams even.

now u have got the wrong end of what i said lol
i ment i am thinking people are talking to me when they are not or saying something and meaning something else
btw i would prefure to fly for the british since i love the spitfire

[kozzm0]

??? No, your idea is great and I will see what I can do to implement it to this tournament, I thank you for this Idea my friend.

Kozzmo,
How about you and I choose teams? like first captain second captain? I will fly for the UK, you fly for the USSR (as this was your choice). You get first pick. Just let me first consider what teams some participants have chosen.

* To all, dont think I favor kozzmo, but this guy I trust knows who flies how and I know he will help me keep teams even.

If it's ok with everyone else

there are only 3 who said USSR, so far... which is pretty strange considering how the la5 is becoming the plane of choice vs the spitfire

[trueshotcaller]

I asked earlier, but I think my question got a bit lost in the shuffle: are *all* the planes in each region/country going to be available after they're 'conquered?' The reason I'm asking is I'm pretty hyped about the German jet fighters now, so if/when we capture Germany I can fly one.

[ezee63]

Im late to the party here, can i still get in on this event?
Cheers,
e.

PS3: ezee63

[edal86]

I asked earlier, but I think my question got a bit lost in the shuffle: are *all* the planes in each region/country going to be available after they're 'conquered?' The reason I'm asking is I'm pretty hyped about the German jet fighters now, so if/when we capture Germany I can fly one.

Check the first page of this thread (I am using the first 3 posts as Bulletin Boards), post #2 has information about what planes are allowed and what territory they belong to.

* Regarding Jets, I originally did not intend to allow players to use them because I did not want them to be used as tactical Kamikaze against bombers, maybe I will add them with certain conditions or as privilege to officers, dont know yet, I have to think about it.

[trueshotcaller]

Check the first page of this thread (I am using the first 3 posts as Bulletin Boards), post #2 has information about what planes are allowed and what territory they belong to.

* Regarding Jets, I originally did not intend to allow players to use them because I did not want them to be used as tactical Kamikaze against bombers, maybe I will add them with certain conditions or as privilege to officers, dont know yet, I have to think about it.

Yes, I did that... that's why I asked the question --- I wanted clarification on the omission of the jet fighters.

By 'tactical Kamikaze,' I'm assuming you're saying that the team who is flying the jet fighters would have some sort of overwhelming advantage over bombers... I'm not sure if that's your meaning, or if that would even be the case. Jet fighters certainly have speed, but bomber escorts could certainly develop tactics to combat them I would think... plus, if the jet fighters do have an advantage, this only offsets the advantage that the B-17 brings to the table... although I guess this may be moot if both sides can use the B-17 equally from the start of the game.

I do hope you come up with a way to include the jet fighters in your campaign; with all the T&B, dogfighting in BOP is soooo one-dimensional, and IMHO the option to include more B&Z plane choices is a sorely needed aspect to this simulator, which accurately reflect the real-life awareness and adjustment to the tactics of energy fighting & situational awareness (something somehwhat missing in the endless descending spiral dogfights that dominate BOP).

[edal86]

what I meant by "tactical kamikaze" was that I dont want players to use jets as suicide fighters to ram into the bombers.

Most likely I will add Jets but they will be used by privileged Officers only and with severe consequences for intentional ramming. Also, Jets will only be available to the team that controls the German Territory.

[trueshotcaller]

Awesome! I agree - ramming bombers should be prohibited from any plane... to be honest I wouldn't expect anyone participating in your tourney to stoop to such cheap tactics.

This is gonna be fun!

[haitch40]

what I meant by "tactical kamikaze" was that I dont want players to use jets as suicide fighters to ram into the bombers.

Most likely I will add Jets but they will be used by privileged Officers only and with severe consequences for intentional ramming. Also, Jets will only be available to the team that controls the German Territory.

no only bf109s should be used as kamikazze's LIVE ON THE SONDERKOMMANDOELBE :D seriously though kamakazze's are annoying and ruin the fun

[haitch40]

, I was not going to allow both teams to fly bombers on strike, only the invading team will be able to use bombers and the defenders will fly fighters only.

why not a defender would of bombed an attacker to try and weeken their attack and open the posibility of a counter attack

[olife]

what I meant by "tactical kamikaze" was that I dont want players to use jets as suicide fighters to ram into the bombers.

Most likely I will add Jets but they will be used by privileged Officers only and with severe consequences for intentional ramming. Also, Jets will only be available to the team that controls the German Territory.

why not my bloody,nice,terrible little bullshit of i 153?LOL!!!!
if jets are allowed...
u are the judge .i will respect your opinion
no probs if it is no

[trueshotcaller]

Maybe *all* planes should be allowed... on sim they all have advantages and disadvantages, correct? Unless there's something I don't know about one plane being cheap or something...

[olife]

Maybe *all* planes should be allowed... on sim they all have advantages and disadvantages, correct? Unless there's something I don't know about one plane being cheap or something...

yes agree with u
but i will be ok with or without my 153,i don't want to be laborious , if my 153 is not allowed and if the jet are allowed it is ok for me ,no probs,i don' t want deprive the jets pilots of their favorite plane,i respect all the players and all the planes

[edal86]

yes agree with u
but i will be ok with or without my 153,i don't want to be laborious , if my 153 is not allowed and if the jet are allowed it is ok for me ,no probs,i don' t want deprive the jets pilots of their favorite plane,i respect all the players and all the planes

OK, I think I found a nice way to allow jets and the I-153 into the tournament without affecting gameplay.

I will soon Post the "Battle for Europe" full description and rules, please check this thread's Bulletin Board

** Any more suggestions before the rules are final, please share **

[kozzm0]

In strike mode, you get more points for crashing into the target with full ordnance than for dropping the bombs on it. That shouldn't be allowed.

Using bombs in airfield capture kind of ruins it too. You wouldn't bomb an airfield if you intend to use it yourself. It's more like airfield demolition.

[edal86]

In strike mode, you get more points for crashing into the target with full ordnance than for dropping the bombs on it. That shouldn't be allowed.

Using bombs in airfield capture kind of ruins it too. You wouldn't bomb an airfield if you intend to use it yourself. It's more like airfield demolition.

* You could always repair it :) just kidding, I know what you mean but I allow planes to use bombs for capture the airfield besides they only get 1 chance per death to hit their target and if they reach a certain amount of deaths they will be punished.

* I didnt like that about strike mode, though. I will find a way to make sure that bombers dont do this. I hope that I can trust all players to fly with honor.

[kozzm0]

I finally figured it out when I noticed the opponent taking extra points with an equal plane (he111), I saw the tickets drop 4 times and then suddenly a bigger 5th drop, so after dropping all 4 bomb pairs for 3 to 4 points each, I crashed into a bunker to see what would happen, sure enough, 5 points

I don't mean kamikaze's on CTA, that should be banned from BOP entirely. Just that if you drop bombs on a runway at all, there's no point anymore trying to capture it, cause it will be unusable for the next couple days. Can't land on craters.

[P-51]

Can't land on craters.

Ohh you can! Last thing you do for a while though! :P

[kozzm0]

edal I can't reply to your pm cause your prefs don't allow it. Either that or the mods have banned you from pm's or something

anyhow, I think 24th or 26th late afternoon/evening would work, it shouldn't take long... a "last call" post would be appropriate also, I think a lot of VAS figured they'd be on the UK or on your team, based on their votes, so it would give them a chance to declare first.

[edal86]

As soon as your teams are determined please select 3 other team members to be part of your flight group, name your own squadron, and if able please design a signature for it and send this information to me via Private message through this same forum.

This way I will control and edit your signatures so you can know your squadron's stats (dont worry, signatures created by me will be small). Squadrons must have at least 2 beginners or not too experienced players and 2 that are good or experienced players, this way you can all help each other.

Lone wolves will not have a signature edited by me, so they will have to check their rank and status on the first page, also they will not rank up as fast as those that are part of a squadron. Dont see this as a set back please, it is meant to help all players become better.

Since VAS squadron wont be able to work as a team against the rest, I recommend that you look for a 4 member squadron. It does not mean that you have to drop off of VAS, this smaller squadron is just for the duration of this tournament.

Look for members that you are used to play along with, first. Remember to do this after the teams are selected.

Thanks

[P-51]

I bagsy Infinate and Haitch40! :P now just need a fourth guy... First guy to say 'Supercalafragalisticexpialidocious' gets in!!! :P

[trueshotcaller]

As soon as your teams are determined please select 3 other team members to be part of your flight group, name your own squadron, and if able please design a signature for it and send this information to me via Private message through this same forum.

This way I will control and edit your signatures so you can know your squadron's stats (dont worry, signatures created by me will be small). Squadrons must have at least 2 beginners or not too experienced players and 2 that are good or experienced players, this way you can all help each other.

Lone wolves will not have a signature edited by me, so they will have to check their rank and status on the first page, also they will not rank up as fast as those that are part of a squadron. Dont see this as a set back please, it is meant to help all players become better.

Since VAS squadron wont be able to work as a team against the rest, I recommend that you look for a 4 member squadron. It does not mean that you have to drop off of VAS, this smaller squadron is just for the duration of this tournament.

Look for members that you are used to play along with, first. Remember to do this after the teams are selected.

Thanks

Are these instructions for everyone? Just checking... I'm assuming we start the process on Dec. 25 (the day you announce teams)...

[STINGERSIX78]

anyone needs a good boom and zoomer ?
check my preferences at: www.erich_hartmann.okw
^^

[edal86]

Are these instructions for everyone? Just checking... I'm assuming we start the process on Dec. 25 (the day you announce teams)...

Yes, they are instructions for everyone starting on Dec.25 or Dec.26, after I post the teams. Again, it is not necessary for you guys to be part of a squadron but I highly recommend it; it will help beginners progress and it will help veterans rank up easier. It will also make my life easier by editing your ranks and stats on your signatures. Please help me by teaming up.

* I will also post the tournament's rules and full description soon. I really hope you like it, I took some of the feedback posted here to include jets, the I-153 and plane model limitations. I found a way to do this last one by setting this battle beginning on Winter 1945. It will have a timeline, however the timeline will only influence the seasons which determine the settings for the weather (1 week = 1 season, ex. winter) I wonder how many years this virtual war will take :). Well thats about all the info I will give you guys today :)

Again, wait until I post the teams to create your squadrons because you might not end up in the same team as the players you select now. I will respect Penor flight and Rogue Squadron because they were created before my rules.

[trueshotcaller]

anyone needs a good boom and zoomer ?
check my preferences at: www.erich_hartmann.okw
^^

Stinger, I'd love to form up with you if it's cool with you. I played against you the other day, and I have to say, I think our styles will compliment each other greatly. I too enjoy B&Z tactics, plus I have a willingness to mix it up T&B style also. Most important, I aspire to fight smart, and I think you do too. Let me know... we'll still need 2 more for a full squadron, but if we don't find them at least we can be wingmen...

By the way, I consider myself a beginner - close - to - mid-level pilot. I'd love to get at least one ace level player on the squad so I can learn alot...

EDIT: If we team up though you'll need to play on the Russian side - I've already declared that I want to shoot down Spits!

[kozzm0]

anyone needs a good boom and zoomer ?
check my preferences at: www.erich_hartmann.okw
^^

I noted your bnz skills the other day... I expect team USSR will need at least a couple good bnz'ers who can move fast around the map, inflict damage quickly and stay alive. Especially against bombers and landing planes. It's a draft though, so anything can happen.

Anyone who wants to fly the good Soviet & German planes plz send me a PM detailing any of the following that apply to you:

) fighter style: bnz or tnb; if tnb, do you use aggressive angles tactics for maximum kills, or energy tactics for miminal deaths
) favorite mode
) is your aim good in dogfights
) can you hit targets in Strike (without kamikaze cheating)
) how many Bombers can you destroy in training without being shot down
) what non-UK planes can you land on a short runway; land reliably at Gumrak; land at 90 degrees from the runway; land while in gunner view
) Are you good at hitting targets in gunner view (perfect defense trophy a plus)
) Are you good at spotting opponents
) what is your usual maneuver after the first pass in a dogfight against a spit or hurricane (eg, vertical turn, nose-to-nose, nose-to-tail, oblique turn, high climb, dive, etc)
) do you enjoy beating up on p-51's
) have you unlocked the b17, and any other unusual unlocks like il-4/109g10

& anything else you think is relevant.

<> no need to answer all the questions; just mention what you can do. Nobody can do everything, I just need to make sure the team is well-balanced (and destined for glorious victory). About landing at Gumrak, that's the north airfield on Stalingrad CTA, the one shrouded in shadow, with obstacles everywhere, and an invisible runway with little piles of rocks every ten meters running down the middle. So it's a good litmus test of who can land good.

[STINGERSIX78]

> i love the power and elegance of the K-4. so i use bnz and high energy tactics.
(simple math to win a tdm, shoot down 1, die never...)
but sometimes, i have to bail out for ammo.

> sim strike and tdm.

> my aim is ok (2-5 kills in a 20 min tdm)

> yes, i can. but capture italy would be hard in strike mode. because of the camouflage of
the bunkers. the first drop must hit to sign the bunker with smoke and fire.

> never tried this, but its a question of time...

> not one of my specialises. but i can land every plane on a normal runway

> i own platin. and defend a bomber should be possible

> yes. no problem with bnz

> i get distance between me and the enemy. is the distance large enough i start the attack.
mostly i get them, when they try climb in a tnb and lost speed . then they are like sitting
ducks

> no question ...^^

> i own every plane





@trueshot

COME TO THE DARK SIDE ! ^^

[kozzm0]

I meant private message, up on the top right of the screen... now spies from the UK will see that scouting report, they might draft you and make you fly a p-51

[STINGERSIX78]

ough... this would be disgusting... ^^

[haitch40]

I meant private message, up on the top right of the screen... now spies from the UK will see that scouting report, they might draft you and make you fly a p-51

already noted :D any more info u guys can provide if u dont tell us i will shoot this dog

[kozzm0]

So you captured Soviet dog? Go ahead, shoot. It will never talk.

[haitch40]

So you captured Soviet dog? Go ahead, shoot. It will never talk.

it was one of your best weapons at taking out spys if i remember correctly

[kozzm0]

it was one of your best weapons at taking out spys if i remember correctly

Yes but all Soviet soldier captured by Nemyetski are considered Fascist spy, unless they survive war and are exonerated after some years. They are assumed to be made to talk. So go ahead, shoot dog. Though I don't know what you expect dog to say. You are crazy to try to interrogate dog.

a couple last minute suggestions:

1) either the first match should be a lag test to identify lag-free hosts, or each match should be preceded by a 3-minute lag-test dogfight

2) there could be some kind of system for the teams to recruit after the start, such as a maximum 2 new players allowed per week, as soon as 2 new players join then one goes to each team by draft. Draft choice would go by simple alternation.

[haitch40]

Yes but all Soviet soldier captured by Nemyetski are considered Fascist spy, unless they survive war and are exonerated after some years. They are assumed to be made to talk. So go ahead, shoot dog. Though I don't know what you expect dog to say. You are crazy to try to interrogate dog.

a couple last minute suggestions:

1) either the first match should be a lag test to identify lag-free hosts, or each match should be preceded by a 3-minute lag-test dogfight

2) there could be some kind of system for the teams to recruit after the start, such as a maximum 2 new players allowed per week, as soon as 2 new players join then one goes to each team by draft. Draft choice would go by simple alternation.

ok il shoot it its your leaders children who will be crying

[He-111]

I need someone to team up with.
I like to play strike.
I like bombers and bomber hunting with german planes (Bf-109 and Fw-190).
I am a medium/low experience pilot.

Anyone?

[STINGERSIX78]

All Quiet on the Western Front ?

[kozzm0]

edal vanished right before it was time to do the draft. Hasn't signed in since more than 3 days ago.

[edal86]

edal vanished right before it was time to do the draft. Hasn't signed in since more than 3 days ago.

sorry guys, I have not vanished, however, I am guilty for taking a mini vacation :)

Sorry kozzmo for missing our appointment, I will let you know when I will be back full time. (most likely by January 2nd (after my B-day))

Keep enjoying the Holidays everyone :)

[kozzm0]

edal was born on Jan 1st? Get outta here...

[Mage_016]

I'm not sure have I choosed a side yet. But i'd like to fly for Russia

[edal86]

Ok, As promised. I am back. I will have everything posted before Wednesday, January 13.

I want all participants to check the first page of this thread regularly for any updates.

Also, this will allow you all to ask any questions about the rules before the Official Start of this Event which will happen January 9th.

Mage,
Buddy, I dont know if you will end up in the USSR team, it will all depend on the drafting results now, sorry. (Reason for this is that USSR team has many good players now and it is threatening the balance of teams, I hope you undestand). This does not mean that it is 100% certain that you will end up un the UK team.

Kozzmo,
I will be online later today and for the following days. I hope to see you soon to choose the teams ASAP

[kozzm0]

Ok, As promised. I am back. I will have everything posted before Wednesday, January 13.

I want all participants to check the first page of this thread regularly for any updates.

Also, this will allow you all to ask any questions about the rules before the Official Start of this Event which will happen January 9th.

Mage,
Buddy, I dont know if you will end up in the USSR team, it will all depend on the drafting results now, sorry. (Reason for this is that USSR team has many good players now and it is threatening the balance of teams, I hope you undestand). This does not mean that it is 100% certain that you will end up un the UK team.

Kozzmo,
I will be online later today and for the following days. I hope to see you soon to choose the teams ASAP

ok. don't have to work today so I'll be ready

Last I counted there was 21 free agents, 6 on our team, and 3 on your team, which would give you guys picks # 1,3,5,7,9,10,11,12,14,16, 18 and 20, and us #'s 2,4,6,8,13,15,17,19 and 21.

and can you send a pm with the QF results from the AoA tournament beforehand, in case there were any surprises... I've gathered a lot of intel but don't have access to that

[haitch40]

am i counted?
if not britain all the way

[kozzm0]

am i counted?
if not britain all the way

you and everyone else who didn't pick a team up till a while ago are considered free agents and will be drafted

This should happen soon, whenever edal is awake today, as long as I don't go to sleep first

[Mage_016]

Mage,
Buddy, I dont know if you will end up in the USSR team, it will all depend on the drafting results now, sorry. (Reason for this is that USSR team has many good players now and it is threatening the balance of teams, I hope you undestand). This does not mean that it is 100% certain that you will end up un the UK team

No problem my friend. I will do my best no matter which side I will end up.

[edal86]

hey kozzmo,
I missed you today by 40 minutes. dont think I will log in again until 11pm pacific time because I have to work at 5pm. See you when I see you my friend.

mage,
thanks, I know you will do your best, you are a very good pilot.

[edal86]

Alright guys, teams are ready, check the first page.

* please begin creating your squadrons of 4 (2 experienced, 2 beginners) and send me the players list via Private Message through this Forum before Saturday, January 9th.

* Rogue Squadron still needs to be assigned to a team but before I need to know who is the other member of this squadron

[kozzm0]

Hey would it be possible to have the mods (like trk) make the teams into two usergroups so we could each have our own thread? For strategy and so forth. I am admin of a phpbb so I know sometimes mods can set thread permissions and make usergroups, it depends on their mod powers

Since both teams have more experienced players than non-experienced, there will have to be a couple squadrons that aren't so clear-cut.

For team USSR, I have a bunch of data you can peruse to help pick a squadron, minus the actual draft order (unless edal thinks that should be available, I don't know... might be bad for morale). Some numbers about who's good at what, based on stats up till about dec 24th.

[edal86]

Hey would it be possible to have the mods (like trk) make the teams into two usergroups so we could each have our own thread? For strategy and so forth. I am admin of a phpbb so I know sometimes mods can set thread permissions and make usergroups, it depends on their mod powers
.

This is a great idea kozzmo, I have contacted trk29 about it. Just to be clear, a Soviet team player wont be able to access the thread of a RAF player? Can these threads have their own passwords in order to access them?

Thanks for the help kozzmo

[edal86]

Since both teams have more experienced players than non-experienced, there will have to be a couple squadrons that aren't so clear-cut.


I understand, lets just try to keep the known best players team up with those who have declared that they are new to the game or that come from realistic and are starting to try out simulation mode. In any case, squadrons need to be approved by me. I promise that I will verify that squadrons are balanced and I will be fair about it.

[STINGERSIX78]

Soviet-Sqadron:

Mirgervin
Macademic
Ar_Kozz (?)
Stingersix

[edal86]

Soviet-Sqadron:

Mirgervin
Macademic
Ar_Kozz (?)
Stingersix

does ar_kozz know about this?

[winny]

Soviet-Sqadron:

Mirgervin
Macademic
Ar_Kozz (?)
Stingersix

Ouch...

[STINGERSIX78]

not good ? im a completely noob. i use only bnz-tactics. and they are easy with the right plane...

[STINGERSIX78]

@edal

i have asked him on psn and via pm. and i think, he would join us.
but is the squadron to hard ?

[edal86]

not good ? im a completely noob. i use only bnz-tactics. and they are easy with the right plane...

What I mean is that if you have asked these players if it is ok with them. If they agree, then I will accept this squadron. Also, please figure out a name for it unless you want it to be named "Soviet Squadron"

[STINGERSIX78]

ok,ok... im just so excited ... ^^ i clarify it.

[edal86]

@edal

i have asked him on psn and via pm. and i think, he would join us.
but is the squadron to hard ?

Oh ok. Well, It will be a strong Soviet Squadron but it sounds ok, also, I know you guys have good communication among yourselves and I will not go against that.

* As soon as Ar_kozz confirms this I can approve this squadron my friend (well you are really my enemy now lol)

[STINGERSIX78]

get a packet of extra-boost in your *lousy* british-paperplane... ^^ *joke*

[edal86]

get a packet of extra-boost in your *lousy* british-paperplane... ^^ *joke*

lol, battle begins January 9, not right now. You are attacking in advance lol. Good to hear you are excited.

** Guys, you can also design your Squadron Signatures as soon as I approve your squadron list. Post your signature and I will add it to your signature stats

[InfiniteStates]

Soviet-Sqadron:

Mirgervin
Macademic
Ar_Kozz (?)
Stingersix

Ouch...
LOL +1 - that is a badass squadron :o

[STINGERSIX78]

this was a first assembly by members of my friendlist. should we mix it up again ?

[haitch40]

LOL +1 - that is a badass squadron :o

ahh but i have faith in edal that he could take them all down with just one good wingman and no1 else

[haitch40]

you and everyone else who didn't pick a team up till a while ago are considered free agents and will be drafted

This should happen soon, whenever edal is awake today, as long as I don't go to sleep first

drafted ok there is only one country that has the legal right to draft me that is england :D
oh well il go with whoever id just like to be british

[kozzm0]

Soviet-Sqadron:

Mirgervin
Macademic
Ar_Kozz (?)
Stingersix

not really fair for the UK team...

Just to be clear, a Soviet team player wont be able to access the thread of a RAF player? Can these threads have their own passwords in order to access them?

If this is a normal php bulletin board, there's no passwords needed. Every forum or thread has a number of "permissions" that can be set, such as read, post, edit, vote, etc, for each user. To make things simple, it's usually done by usergroup. Default usergroups are things like "guest," "registered," "mod," "admin" and each of those groups has specific permissions for each forum, e.g "guest" has read everywhere but nothing else. But an admin can create usergroups also, and change permissions for them, so it's possible to make a thread that is open only to one usergroup and locked to everyone else.

Whether a mod can do that depends on the board and how much power the mods have.

if it wouldn't work here, it could be moved to another site. I could use my old, dead ps2 clan site, but it would be easier to just make a new phpbb from scratch, since it's free and there would only need to be two forums.

Unfortunately that would confuse a lot of people

[P-51]

Wouldnt mind Trk29, Philabong2, mage_016 and myself in a team. What do you 3 and edal think?

[edal86]

drafted ok there is only one country that has the legal right to draft me that is england :D
oh well il go with whoever id just like to be british

You have already been drafted by the UK.

** Guys please check the first page of this thread, Teams are ready

*** Squadrons Dont affect the other team in any way, or make it unfair for the other team. The purpose of squadrons is to have cummulative deaths, Squadron members will have to reach a certain amount kills and games played in order to rank up. When the Squadron's cummulative deaths reach a certain number those squadron members will become cassualties. This will affect the manpower available for their team. Those squadron members will then need to begin from the lowest rank again (unless a member reaches the Rank of Squadron Leader or beyond, then their deaths will be treated differently). This will help balance the deaths of beginners (who die a lot) and experienced (who die less). It will be somewhat difficult to reach the top 4 ranks but not impossible for an experienced player.

[edit]
In other words, the stronger a squadron, the more likely that its members will dominate the top ranks, this is why it would be better to balance squadrons out. Purpose is so that everyone has the opportunity to reach the top as well as have fun, the more you rank up then the more you are allowed to do to determine the outcome this "Battle for Europe"

[trk29]

not really fair for the UK team...




Whether a mod can do that depends on the board and how much power the mods have.



I don't know if this is possible here I asked admin so I will have to wait to see.

[trueshotcaller]

Cool, good to see this is up and running... Kozz I'm guessing you'll put me on a balanced squad... or am I supposed to communicate with other team members and try to create our squad myself..? Let me know, I'm cool either way...

[STINGERSIX78]

i think...
the diplomatically, and maybe the fairest way is....

EDAL SHOULD NOMINATE THE SQUAD-LEADER/SQUADRONS !!!

i think this is VERY fair.
aaand, U must fight TOGETHER with some unknown warriors.
NO excuses, NO friendship, ....

ONLY THE SPIRIT OF OUR GUNS.....

[edal86]

Ok, I think this option is balanced and fair:

*Squadron UK(1)
- infinitestates, hrok81, haitch40, edal86

* Squadron UK(2)
- subarugaz, wissam24, ezee63, rhah

* Squadron UK(3)
- dihno28, winny1973, irrelevant24, rotortrash

* Penor Flight (UK)
- xxsilencexx, dubbinenglish

* Squadron UK(5)
- Steyr_amr, xxwhiterhinoxx

(If penor flight wants to accept steyr_amr and whiterhino to their flight that would be great)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

* Squadron USSR(1)
- kozzmo, macademic, stlngerslx, panz1t

* Squadron USSR(2)
- philabong2, trk29, reaper1526, He-111

* Squadron USSR(3)
- Mirgervin, trueshotcaller, fangface666, drozz6699

* Squadron USSR(4)
- Mage_016, Varcus2, olife-, filthyprick


*** (if you guys are happy with these Squadrons then just name your squadron and let me know)

* Rogue Squadron is still pending, I need to hear about you guys. Please contact me.

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

Whiterhino and Steyr_Amr are from Europe right? I don't know how often I would be able to fly with them if that's the case...

[edal86]

Whiterhino and Steyr_Amr are from Europe right? I don't know how often I would be able to fly with them if that's the case...

you dont have to fly with them all the time. Most likely, you will end up having to play alongside someone from squadron 1, another from squadron 2, and so on. This is only to balance players deaths.

What is important is to play for the team, not necessary for the squadron. Although, a squadron's role is important in that a strong squadron will have at least 1 of its members on 1 of the top 4 ranks which are the ranks that allow you to dictate the team's objectives


[edit]
I have decided that Rogue Squadron and Penor Flight remain private because these are personal squadrons and I don want to invade them in any way. So, steyr_amr and whiterhino will be squadron 5 and as more players join the tournament I will fill in the empty spots. The reason for this is that these are unofficial squadrons, only to be treated as squadrons for the duration of this tournament.

No changes will be done to the squadrons of the UK Team. However, Kozzmo will have the authority to change the USSR squadrons only if team USSR players agree to it. I will not interfere with team USSR's decisions because, even though, I am the organizer of this Tournament, I am also a participant of the opposing team. In short, it is not wise to allow the enemy (me) to partcipate in any of your plans. Agree?

[Mage_016]

I'm pretty happy with these new planned squadrons. Balancing was good idea and you managed to to do good job with it, as usual. This will be great..

[edal86]

I'm pretty happy with these new planned squadrons. Balancing was good idea and you managed to to do good job with it, as usual. This will be great..

thanks,
reaper had requested a squadron composed of you, trk29, reaper1526, and philabong. I suspect because you are all VAS members. However, I thought that that was too strong of a squadron. I replaced you for He-111 (he is also VAS) so that reaper's original squadron would remain all VAS members and I made you "leader" of another squadron. I based this on the results from Ace of Aces, statistically you are the second strongest of the team.

[edal86]

This is directed towards the USSR team,

As of January 9th we will be enemies, I will not be responsible for mobilizing you guys into playing. I expect you guys to work as a team and depend on each other. I will still be answering questions about the tournament and editing your stats. However, dont expect me to keep informing you guys of what is happening via PSN. All the information you guys and the UK team members will need is going to be posted on the first 3 posts of this thread (first page). I have referred to this posts as Bulletin Boards. I hope you guys understand and if you dont, then, imagine having to contact 30 players each week to let them know what to do and what is happening. Thanks.

Also, to all players. This tournament was created for all of us to have fun. You guys filled the spots and made this tournament possible. Please try your best to participate. If I notice that not much is happenning on the first 2 weeks, or so, of this tournament, then, I will simplify it and make it easier on me. This tournament required hours of thinking and it will require more hours to keep it functioning smoothly. I do every thing by hand and with my cheap Paint program. I am happy to do this and excited because in my mind it all looks excellent. I have intergrated ideas from the hypperlobby servers, Rome: Total War, and Battlefield 2. This tournament is not just something I came out with after the Holidays. I will be glad to do all the work if you guys participate as I expect you to. If interest is not demonstrated, then, I will not cancel the tournament but I will significantly simplify it. You will see what I mean when I mention complexity after I post the rules and description this coming Tuesday. I leave the decision in your hands.

- edal

[P-51]

Looks a good team to me. Philabong2,trk,he-111 you guys agree?

[haitch40]

this is starting to look complicated :S

[edal86]

this is starting to look complicated :S

complicated in what way? Please post any doubts or questions.

[kozzm0]

* Squadron USSR(1)
- kozzmo, macademic, stlngerslx, panz1t

* Squadron USSR(2)
- philabong2, trk29, reaper1526, He-111

* Squadron USSR(3)
- Mirgervin, trueshotcaller, fangface666, drozz6699

* Squadron USSR(4)
- Mage_016, Varcus2, olife-, filthyprick

Based on player styles and languages I think something like this would work better for USSR:

1) philabong, varcus, olife, panz1t
2) mage, reaper, stingersix, trueshotcaller
3) kozz, macademic, he111, fangface
4) mirgervin, trk, drozz, filthyprick

though if it has no effect on who actually plays in a given match, it wouldn't matter except for training.

edal have you notified all team USSR members, if not then I will have to round them up

After thinking about it, I expect the site admins probably won't create usergroupd threads or forums because
1) it's a fair bit of work to create and maintain
2) they'd probably have to make trk an admin

so I have gone ahead and created a new website for team USSR. If the team isn't too confused maybe it will work.

The site is

http://shtabvvsov.getphpbb.com/

email activation is disabled, to keep it simple. All guests are considered spies. So register with something close to your psn id or name here, then I'll activate it, then you can post. There is already something very useful there.

as soon as it's processed, the site will be teamvvsrules.com

[edal86]

Based on player styles and languages I think something like this would work better for USSR:

1) philabong, varcus, olife, panz1t
2) mage, reaper, stingersix, trueshotcaller
3) kozz, macademic, he111, fangface
4) mirgervin, trk, drozz, filthyprick

though if it has no effect on who actually plays in a given match, it wouldn't matter except for training.

edal have you notified all team USSR members, if not then I will have to round them up

After thinking about it, I expect the site admins probably won't create usergroupd threads or forums because
1) it's a fair bit of work to create and maintain
2) they'd probably have to make trk an admin

so I have gone ahead and created a new website for team USSR. If the team isn't too confused maybe it will work.

The site is

www.teamvvsrules.com

email activation is disabled so register with something close to your psn id or name here, then I'll activate it, then you can post. There is already something very useful there.

Can I take a peek?? lol just kidding. Well I guess team UK will have a little disadvantage in that we wont be able to post privately. Good thing we have got the best planes to compensate.

Kozzmo, I sent a simple PSN message to all players that teams are ready and to check the forum but I think it is better that you round them up as you said.

Yes, squadrons dont really affect how players must fly or organize, you guys (USSR) figure squadrons out. The squadrons that I posted would have been my choice for fair balanced squadrons but, again, I wont interfere

** Kozzmo, I will add your site to the first page of the thread as soon as it is confirmed that we cant have our own private thread on this forum.

[Rhah]

I'll be happy to lead (or be 2nd in command of) an RAF squadron... any volunteers?

We'll need a silly name.... like "Badger" flight... or something old-school RAF.
I'm open to suggestions!

[kozzm0]

edal the domain tag you quoted isn't active yet, so for now it's

http://shtabvvsov.getphpbb.com

in case anyone tries the link you quoted, I already changed it but it didn't change in the quote

[edal86]

I'll be happy to lead (or be 2nd in command of) an RAF squadron... any volunteers?

We'll need a silly name.... like "Badger" flight... or something old-school RAF.
I'm open to suggestions!

I sort of already chosen squadrons for the UK team. We will all fly together, so squadrons wont really have leaders. im not saying that this wont be possible, but the main purpose of squadron is to balance player skills. I may look for a way to give squadrons a little more meaning. In any case, Rhah, in order for you to be second in command or flight leader I think you will have to prove yourself by being the highest or second highest ranking officer on your flight group.

[Rhah]

I sort of already chosen squadrons for the UK team. We will all fly together, so squadrons wont really have leaders. im not saying that this wont be possible, but the main purpose of squadron is to balance player skills.

That sounds like a much better arrangement, and much easier to organise too. Just out of interest, can we see the squadron set up for the UK teams, or is it to be kept away from prying russian eyes?

[edal86]

That sounds like a much better arrangement, and much easier to organise too. Just out of interest, can we see the squadron set up for the UK teams, or is it to be kept away from prying russian eyes?

* RAF Squadron (??? Flight)
- infinitestates, hrok81, haitch40, edal86

* RAF Squadron (Badger Flight?)
- subarugaz, wissam24, ezee63, rhah

* RAF Squadron (????? Flight)
- dihno28, winny1973, irrelevant24, rotortrash

* RAF Squadron (Penor Flight)
- xxsilencexx, dubbinenglish

* RAF Squadron (??? Flight)
- Steyr_amr, xxwhiterhinoxx

[Dubbedinenglish]

Silence will be back in today, but I wouldn't mind consolidating with the other two if it helps the battle plan... Otherwise that is a pretty good list.

[Rhah]

* RAF Squadron (??? Flight)
- infinitestates, hrok81, haitch40, edal86

* RAF Squadron (Badger Flight?)
- subarugaz, wissam24, ezee63, rhah

* RAF Squadron (????? Flight)
- dihno28, winny1973, irrelevant24, rotortrash

* RAF Squadron (Penor Flight)
- xxsilencexx, dubbinenglish

* RAF Squadron (??? Flight)
- Steyr_amr, xxwhiterhinoxx

Those look like pretty good teams. As for the names, well maybe Badger flight is a bit too lame :grin:.... but for authenticity's sake I reckon we should try and keep use WW2 RAF callsigns if we possible (with the exception of Penor flight of course).

[irrelevant]

:cool: dihno and i fly pretty well together and i think i've flown with the others once or twice.

[winny]

:cool: dihno and i fly pretty well together and i think i've flown with the others once or twice.

Well... Hello firstly!

I'm still a newbie really.. Should be interesting and I'm looking forwards to learning a few tricks.

Add me, PSN winny1973.

[irrelevant]

Well... Hello firstly!

I'm still a newbie really.. Should be interesting and I'm looking forwards to learning a few tricks.

Add me, PSN winny1973.

hello, sir! ;) i'll definitely add you when i get home tonight. thinking back, i know i've flown with/against you before. this will be a lot of fun!

and no worries about being relatively new. i've flown since the day of release, yet i still get my butt handed to me by guys like edal and mirgervin... and silence... and more. LOL. honestly, i'm probably in the 50th percentile of all online pilots. pretty good, but definitely not great. that is why i love the thought of this battle... it will be a team effort! :)

[haitch40]

hmm i think uk is going to win it hands down since we have edal
plus im getting better

[haitch40]

thought id add a bit of moral boosting propaganda from the time :)

[philabong2]

* Squadron USSR(2)
- philabong2, trk29, reaper1526, He-111

nice!

[P-51]

* Squadron USSR(2)
- philabong2, trk29, reaper1526, He-111

nice!

Looking forward to flying with you :D

[fangface666]

Based on player styles and languages I think something like this would work better for USSR:

1) philabong, varcus, olife, panz1t
2) mage, reaper, stingersix, trueshotcaller
3) kozz, macademic, he111, fangface
4) mirgervin, trk, drozz, filthyprick

though if it has no effect on who actually plays in a given match, it wouldn't matter except for training.

edal have you notified all team USSR members, if not then I will have to round them up

After thinking about it, I expect the site admins probably won't create usergroupd threads or forums because
1) it's a fair bit of work to create and maintain
2) they'd probably have to make trk an admin

so I have gone ahead and created a new website for team USSR. If the team isn't too confused maybe it will work.

The site is

http://shtabvvsov.getphpbb.com/

email activation is disabled, to keep it simple. All guests are considered spies. So register with something close to your psn id or name here, then I'll activate it, then you can post. There is already something very useful there.

as soon as it's processed, the site will be teamvvsrules.com

I appreciate your confidence in picking me for your sqaudron, may I volunteer for the position of sacraficial lamb:-)

That said I cant register on the Team USSR site, gets caught in a loop on the "agree to terms" page.

Any way looking forward to this, as long as I can get online at the same time as the rest of the squadron.

And apologies to Edal for not being able to train in the flight school yet, time difference is against us I feel.

Any how, fellow team members feel free to add me, my psn is fangface666, and whats our squadron name? may I suggest Falcon Squadron after the comic strip character Johnny Red, a WWII british pilot that fought alongside the Russian Army :wink: google search (johnny red eagle comic)