Title update update [Archive] - Official Fulqrum Publishing forum

Anton Yudintsev

11-16-2009, 12:39 PM

Publisher (505) is willing to submit Title Update to Sony this week.
This mean, it should be available in three weeks after that.

Sorry for delay.
I know, most of players don't give a shit about whose fault it was, or what were the reasons of the delay - and they are right. So just - we are very sorry.
For those, who are interested, the reasons were:
Latest issues (also presented in release version, but haven't appeared during final QA) were for multiplayer sessions for more than 12 players if they were using VoIP and playing using Wi-Fi connection (not Ethernet connection).
Probably, WiFi router in publisher's QA wasn't good enough, I don't know.

But it took a lot of time (three weeks) of us even to get information that they were testing with WiFi... WiFi is loosing a lot of data packages. After that we solve problem as good as possible, by mostly increasing pings timeouts (still, however, you can get disconnected with 12+ WiFi session, but it's rare now. If player isn't pinged for a minute, he is disconnected, which is likely on intense session for WiFi).
And, of course, as the results are highly dependent on network configuration, physical router/PS3 position, weather, etc - nothing strange that they were not discovered during submission.
Once again - it is issue only for 12+ session with WiFi players.
Unbelievable story.

Good news - we made some additional minor improvements.

P.S. I wasn't posting on forum - because after latest update on update, publisher's forbids to tell anything about updates at all on public. I guess, now it is not an issue, so I've posted info.

guiltyspark

11-16-2009, 12:40 PM

what about 360?

Spitfire23

11-16-2009, 12:41 PM

Great, thanks for that Anton, Very much appreciated :)

guiltyspark

11-16-2009, 12:46 PM

anton is the 360 patch not coming or something?

cyclone70

11-16-2009, 12:57 PM

Yes, we need info on 360 patch also PLEASE.
In four weeks time will we get the Xbox patch too????

guiltyspark

11-16-2009, 12:58 PM

thats just wonderful , he pops online . posts about the irrellevent version of the game , then leaves

Rhah

11-16-2009, 01:07 PM

"irrelevant version of the game"?? :rolleyes:

Thanks for the update Anton.

guiltyspark

11-16-2009, 01:11 PM

"irrelevant version of the game"?? :rolleyes:

Thanks for the update Anton.

yes , the version that is irellevent to more than half the people who bought it

Ancient Seraph

11-16-2009, 01:33 PM

Thanks for the info :). Good to finally know what the actual problem was. Let's hope it passes Sony's check right away this time :rolleyes:.

Rhah

11-16-2009, 02:01 PM

yes , the version that is irellevent to more than half the people who bought it

I've not seen the sales figures, but it seems a bit foolish to say that one platform is irrelevant just because its slightly in the minority.
And besides that, most of the people on these boards seem to be PS3 players....

axhat

11-16-2009, 02:49 PM

Seriously Anton, What is the deal w/ the 360? Are we getting a patch or not?

kozzm0

11-16-2009, 02:51 PM

yes , the version that is irellevent to more than half the people who bought it

As the other update threads mentioned, the first patch would be for ps3, after which they'd send it to Microsoft. So you wouldn't see the xbox patch first, the next step is the ps3 release, which we've known quite a while now. So that's what they give us news about. The xbox patch will probably follow the ps3 patch shortly.

Спасибо очень товаришь разработчик.

Ancient Seraph

11-16-2009, 02:55 PM

As the other update threads mentioned, the first patch would be for ps3, after which they'd send it to Microsoft. So you wouldn't see the xbox patch first, the next step is the ps3 release, which we've known quite a while now. So that's what they give us news about. The xbox patch will probably follow the ps3 patch shortly.

Спасибо очень товаришь разработчик.
As far as I've heard there's no problems with the 360 patch and it's finished, it's just the PS3 patch that didn't come through. The XBOX patch has definitely been sent to MS, and haven't heard it's come back with problems.

Anton Yudintsev

11-16-2009, 03:20 PM

anton is the 360 patch not coming or something?

360 update will be no earlier, than PS3 will pass.
As it was originally planned.

Anton Yudintsev

11-16-2009, 03:22 PM

thats just wonderful , he pops online . posts about the irrellevent version of the game , then leaves

Hey, I have work to do also.

axhat

11-16-2009, 03:22 PM

Thank you Anton, I dont care if its any earlier or not, just wanted to make sure microsoft wasn't enough of a pain in the ass to warrant dropping support.

Cheers!

AX

Anton Yudintsev

11-16-2009, 03:23 PM

Thank you Anton, I dont care if its any earlier or not, just wanted to make sure microsoft wasn't enough of a pain in the ass to warrant dropping support.

It wasn't platformholders - yet. It was publisher's QA.
Let's hope, it will pass Sony from first attempt.

TRC Subaru

11-16-2009, 03:48 PM

360 update will be no earlier, than PS3 will pass.
As it was originally planned.

Hi Anton,

Thank you for the update.

Approximatly when do you believe we will see the XBOX update?

Are they waiting for the PS3 version to pass first (because of all its issues) and then submit the XBOX update?

I know you are hard at work, just please answer when you get a moment.

Thanks again for best flight sim on XBOX!

Irishmandkg

11-16-2009, 04:23 PM

Awesome! Can't wait for the update. Also a quick question, are the German cockpits included in the patch or will they be in DLC? Either way is fine, i'd buy them just to support this game.

Ancient Seraph

11-16-2009, 04:30 PM

Hi Anton,

Thank you for the update.

Approximatly when do you believe we will see the XBOX update?

Are they waiting for the PS3 version to pass first (because of all its issues) and then submit the XBOX update?

I know you are hard at work, just please answer when you get a moment.

Thanks again for best flight sim on XBOX!
I think what he was trying to say is that the patches will be released at the same time: the XBOX not before the PS3 one. The XBOX update should be ready.
Awesome! Can't wait for the update. Also a quick question, are the German cockpits included in the patch or will they be in DLC? Either way is fine, i'd buy them just to support this game.
They said it would be included in the update.

AutomaticAddict

11-16-2009, 05:15 PM

Alright! News! I am kinda glad the patch releases in 3 weeks (crosses fingers), that gives me time to play CoD 6 till the awe wears off, and come back to IL-2 fresh. Fixing other issues? Cool, I hope we can see the flight models on everything but the ruskie and brit planes recieved a tune up, those fly decent... Almost there guys, dont despair! (p.s. didnt guiltyspark get banned before? Was it for excessive dorking? Because I read his posts, and for some reason I get the urge to grab him and dunk his head in a toilet then flush it like 3 times...more if he keeps wimpering.)

InfiniteStates

11-16-2009, 07:08 PM

thats just wonderful , he pops online . posts about the irrellevent version of the game , then leaves
Actually last time I checked, the game had sold 0.14 million on PS3 and 0.12 million on XBox. But thanks for contributing. You represented yourself well...

Cheers for the info, Anton. Great news, and great work :)

guiltyspark

11-16-2009, 07:37 PM

Actually last time I checked, the game had sold 0.14 million on PS3 and 0.12 million on XBox. But thanks for contributing. You represented yourself well...

Cheers for the info, Anton. Great news, and great work :)

thing is you didnt check a real source

flynlion

11-16-2009, 08:51 PM

Thanks for the news Anton, and thanks for a great game. But I'm still wondering why 360 people have to wait for the update to get through Sony?

Anton Yudintsev

11-16-2009, 08:55 PM

I think what he was trying to say is that the patches will be released at the same time: the XBOX not before the PS3 one. The XBOX update should be ready.

No, it is exactly as said.
X360 update is going to be tested after PS3 will pass :(

They said it would be included in the update.

It will be in next update, not this one. This one was expected to be 'fast' :(

Anton Yudintsev

11-16-2009, 08:57 PM

Thanks for the news Anton, and thanks for a great game. But I'm still wondering why 360 people have to wait for the update to get through Sony?

No clue, actually.
Probably, because of 1st parties policy or something like that.

David603

11-16-2009, 09:09 PM

It will be in next update, not this one. This one was expected to be 'fast' :(
This isn't strictly a question about the update, but will we be getting the A6M2 Zero in the Wings of Prey trailer as part of a future DLC pack?

flynlion

11-16-2009, 09:29 PM

No clue, actually.
Probably, because of 1st parties policy or something like that.

In other words, lawyers. Now I understand.

Raw Kryptonite

11-16-2009, 10:23 PM

Awesome! Can't wait for the update. Also a quick question, are the German cockpits included in the patch or will they be in DLC? Either way is fine, i'd buy them just to support this game.

They said it would be included in the update.

It will be in next update, not this one. This one was expected to be 'fast' :(

That is not good.
It's sounded like we've been lucky 505 has even agreed to this current title update. To say the cockpits come in the next one doesn't sound very promising. Have they already agreed to fund another update? If not, perhaps we should just not expect to get the cockpits?
The way 505 has apparently been treating this, I'm thinking we should just forget about the possibility rather than keep our hopes up.

MorgothNL

11-16-2009, 10:57 PM

No, it is exactly as said.
X360 update is going to be tested after PS3 will pass :(

wait, are you saying that the PS3 update will be ready in 3 weeks (like you said in this topics first post), and after that, the xbox update will be tested?
Does it mean we can expect the update in 6 weeks or ?

Hrok81

11-16-2009, 11:57 PM

Thank you Anton :)

xX-SiLeNcE-Xx

11-17-2009, 12:42 AM

thing is you didnt check a real source

Hmmmm.... And where's the "real" source then?

Thanks for the update Anton. Can't wait :D

bobswar

11-17-2009, 02:20 AM

Any idea how long after the update, the next DLC comes out? is there going to be anymore DLC??

dazz1971

11-17-2009, 01:04 PM

caphead

11-17-2009, 03:09 PM

hahahahahahahahahaha so you guys are still waiting, for a patch thats gonna need another patch thats gonna need another patch..

Riceball

11-17-2009, 03:46 PM

hahahahahahahahahaha so you guys are still waiting, for a patch thats gonna need another patch thats gonna need another patch..

Yep.:rolleyes:

It's not like BoP is the only game on the shelf.

InfiniteStates

11-17-2009, 03:59 PM

thing is you didnt check a real source
How do you know? What do you consider a "real" source? Given that you've made this statement without knowing any antecedent information.

I could provide links, but... Why should I bother, when all I'm doing is disproving one stupid statement from you in response to one of your previous stupid statements. And no doubt you have many more...

Life is too short.

guiltyspark

11-17-2009, 05:00 PM

haha this just keeps getting better and better

so now the cockpits are not coming in update like they said right from the start but coming in the next update sorry but i smell a rat here

i think the publishers have seen a way to make more money out of us and release the cockpits as dlc that way they can charge us for it

lets look at it logicaly how many times have you yourselfs or someone on this forum mentioned the german cockpits ?? now the publishers are not dumb they have picked up on this and now they want to charge us for them money grabbing *****s

i think anton and crew have done a great job but why oh why did they decide to go with 505 games all 505 have done is screw over anton and his loyal customers

please anton dont make the sequal for 505 get a better publisher please mate :(505 / 1c company are a great publisher

without them il2 BOP wouldnt have even been published. a flight sim on a console would be looked at as a potential non seller. 505 games took a big monetary risk publishing the title with no knowledge of what a sales outcome would be , they were suprised with the great sales of the title and are most likely in the future going to bring some more of the more PC centric titles to consoles as a result.

As far as this ps3 first and 360 at a later time bullshit is concerned , i have never EVER heard of this. They release patches for both systems at the same time all the time. i think there is just some lack of communication between dev and publisher

guiltyspark

11-17-2009, 05:01 PM

How do you know? What do you consider a "real" source? Given that you've made this statement without knowing any antecedent information.

I could provide links, but... Why should I bother, when all I'm doing is disproving one stupid statement from you in response to one of your previous stupid statements. And no doubt you have many more...

Life is too short.
because there are nearly twice as many 360 systems out there as ps3's

its basic math

the 360 sold more by a wide margin

FilthyPrick

11-17-2009, 05:11 PM

because there are nearly twice as many 360 systems out there as ps3's

its basic math

the 360 sold more by a wide margin

Listen dickhead,

Its numberof game sales, not console sales.....

guiltyspark

11-17-2009, 06:11 PM

Listen dickhead,

Its numberof game sales, not console sales.....

not once in the history of this generation has a multiplatform game sold better on ps3

not once

its simple math , there are more 360 owners , alot more

Bourin01

11-17-2009, 06:16 PM

not once in the history of this generation has a multiplatform game sold better on ps3

not once

its simple math , there are more 360 owners , alot more

bla bla bla et bla

who care about this....:confused:

guiltyspark

11-17-2009, 06:18 PM

bla bla bla et bla

who care about this....:confused:

evidently you do by even quoting me

guiltyspark

11-17-2009, 06:47 PM

No it's retardo-maths. LMAO OMG I knew you had many more, but I didn't realise we hadn't seen the best yet.

So this is your "real" source is it? Because you reckon?

OK, because you're obviously more inclined to spout drivel than to look something up for yourself, here:

BoP 360 sales (http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=34914&region=All) vs BoP PS3 sales (http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=34917&region=All)

EDIT: also, if you go to the home page of that site, you may notice that your rose-tinted XBox specs are collecting dust. Unless you choose to forget there are countries besides the USA. And even (console) sales figures need to be taken with a pinch of salt because of hardware failure rates (of which I believe the 360 is the current leader by a long stretch).

But I'm sure you've considered all this.
lol vg charts?
are you this stupid?

You realize VG charts is off of the actual NPD statistics every single month by sometimes hundreds of thousands of units right? That website was founded by a neogaf fanboy who literally calls up corperate offices of (select) retailers to find the income made by certian software (of which cannot be calculated due to things like shipping irregularities and packaging of collector editions)

Not to mention they do not cover all of the retailers that sell games , mainly they just go through gamestop in the USA due to the fact they are the only ones who give out the info.

By posting that "source" you are mearly just proving to everyone around you that you are a gullible little tyke who believes that if there is a pretty website giving you retail numbers , then it must be real data.

Its all estimates , you are linking me guesses.

good job bro

guiltyspark

11-17-2009, 06:57 PM

lol vg charts?
are you this stupid?

You realize VG charts is off of the actual NPD statistics every single month by sometimes hundreds of thousands of units right? That website was founded by a neogaf fanboy who literally calls up corperate offices of (select) retailers to find the income made by certian software (of which cannot be calculated due to things like shipping irregularities and packaging of collector editions)

Not to mention they do not cover all of the retailers that sell games , mainly they just go through gamestop in the USA due to the fact they are the only ones who give out the info.

By posting that "source" you are mearly just proving to everyone around you that you are a gullible little tyke who believes that if there is a pretty website giving you retail numbers , then it must be real data.

Its all estimates , you are linking me guesses.

good job bro

owned

Reddisback

11-17-2009, 07:05 PM

not once in the history of this generation has a multiplatform game sold better on ps3

not once

its simple math , there are more 360 owners , alot more

Hey, I could've told ya that 5 years ago, but no one listened?!

see? told ya.

InfiniteStates

11-17-2009, 07:06 PM

because there are nearly twice as many 360 systems out there as ps3's

its basic math

the 360 sold more by a wide margin
No it's retardo-maths. LMAO OMG I knew you had many more, but I didn't realise we hadn't seen the best yet.

So this is your "real" source is it? Because you reckon?

OK, because you're obviously more inclined to spout drivel than to look something up for yourself, here:

BoP 360 sales (http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=34914&region=All) vs BoP PS3 sales (http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=34917&region=All)

EDIT: also, if you go to the home page of that site, you may notice that your rose-tinted XBox specs are collecting dust. Unless you choose to forget there are countries besides the USA. And even (console) sales figures need to be taken with a pinch of salt because of hardware failure rates (of which I believe the 360 is the current leader by a long stretch).

But I'm sure you've considered all this.

He-111

11-17-2009, 08:49 PM

In your face Xbox360 users!

It is only fair, I mean you got the demo first, now we get the patch first!

By the way

PS3 RULES!!!

irrelevant

11-17-2009, 09:42 PM

In your face Xbox360 users!

It is only fair, I mean you got the demo first, now we get the patch first!

By the way

PS3 RULES!!!

What if we use both systems? :P Actually, I purchased BoP for PS3 only. ;)

Irishmandkg

11-18-2009, 12:09 AM

I thought I would never see the day when this forum would get a console fanboy war. What happened to the mature people on this forum, I guess we need the patch so that everybody stops bitching. :evil:

Spitfire23

11-18-2009, 12:46 AM

dazz1971

11-18-2009, 01:32 AM

owned

look asshole i couldnt care less if they sold more copys of bop on xbox or ps3

so you came onto this thread saw a gapping wound and decided to pure some salt on it and start a consol fanboy war! typical you still havnt evolved into anything more than a forum troll :evil:

whats that you say you want prove.....

well look at your last post on this thread
i have to commend you!!
you managed to screw up any credability you had in one single word lmao

guiltyspark

11-18-2009, 03:36 AM

look asshole i couldnt care less if they sold more copys of bop on xbox or ps3

so you came onto this thread saw a gapping wound and decided to pure some salt on it and start a consol fanboy war! typical you still havnt evolved into anything more than a forum troll :evil:

whats that you say you want prove.....

well look at your last post on this thread
i have to commend you!!
you managed to screw up any credability you had in one single word lmaoyou shouldnt care less , you were not a part of the conversation you ******* retard.

Riceball

11-18-2009, 03:52 AM

Let's try to show some class around here.

trk29

11-18-2009, 04:07 AM

505 / 1c company are a great publisher

without them il2 BOP wouldnt have even been published. a flight sim on a console would be looked at as a potential non seller. 505 games took a big monetary risk publishing the title with no knowledge of what a sales outcome would be , they were suprised with the great sales of the title and are most likely in the future going to bring some more of the more PC centric titles to consoles as a result.

As far as this ps3 first and 360 at a later time bullshit is concerned , i have never EVER heard of this. They release patches for both systems at the same time all the time. i think there is just some lack of communication between dev and publisher

Hey buddy I have warned you in the past about your language.
And no they don't always release patches for both systems at the same time. So get over the fanboy attitude and don't try to make this a console war. Xbox receives stuff all the time before the ps3.

(Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising), I know you've heard of this game because of your comments you made in the past about it.
Xbox received the patch two weeks ago and ps3 isn't getting it till or after the 26th. So you are wrong.

trk29

11-18-2009, 04:09 AM

Listen dickhead,

Its numberof game sales, not console sales.....

Please refrain from using foul language.

trk29

11-18-2009, 04:15 AM

look asshole i couldnt care less if they sold more copys of bop on xbox or ps3

so you came onto this thread saw a gapping wound and decided to pure some salt on it and start a consol fanboy war! typical you still havnt evolved into anything more than a forum troll :evil:

whats that you say you want prove.....

well look at your last post on this thread
i have to commend you!!
you managed to screw up any credability you had in one single word lmao

Cussing is only going to fuel the fire please everyone watch what you type.

juz1

11-18-2009, 06:52 AM

could we have a biatch-o-meter (tm) for threads...one that goes up to 11 :rolleyes:
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Anton Yudintsev

11-18-2009, 09:36 AM

Update will be submitted to Sony today.
Will take two weeks to get approved (hopefully) by Sony.

Spitfire23

11-18-2009, 11:18 AM

Update will be submitted to Sony today.
Will take two weeks to get approved (hopefully) by Sony.

Great, cheers Anton.

Fingers crossed

kozzm0

11-18-2009, 12:49 PM

Any specifics on what the update will change, besides the latency issues? Like a changelog, maybe? That would cut down on the number of questions, since there are about 1000 changes requested in the "suggestions" thread. What were the winning suggestions

House MD 221B

11-18-2009, 12:58 PM

too little, too late. Do they think there's more than a handful of people to release a TU to???

IiI GUNNY IiI

11-18-2009, 01:53 PM

Cool,2-3 weeks for ps3 update.Longer for the Xbox update.Most Xmas games will be picked by then.Forza and CODMW2 will have its new content download by then.and forza has three new CDL between now and then .Yes This game will Be GOOD and DEAD by then.Hats off to all involved ..

Lexandro

11-18-2009, 02:00 PM

Dr. Laplace

11-18-2009, 03:13 PM

I have been playing the game for less time than you guys. I got it only about a month ago since it was not available in Mexico.

The game is fantastic as it is. Sure, the P51D feels like flying a riding mower, however I am able to shoot down 4 Bf109G-6 veteran drones in training mode with it. I love to ZnB with the Emil on a flight of Hurries and tear them up.

The patch will be welcome when it comes. In the meantime I'm enjoying my game as much as I can.

InfiniteStates

11-18-2009, 03:47 PM

lol vg charts?
are you this stupid?

You realize VG charts is off of the actual NPD statistics every single month by sometimes hundreds of thousands of units right?

...Blah blah blah...

Its all estimates , you are linking me guesses.

good job bro

Assuming his error margin is roughly consistent, the ratio of the sales figures is still representative of the fact. Prick. I don't care if the figures are true - you raised an issue of relativity not absoluteness.

And I'm not the fool that quotes himself to add one word.

EDIT: toned it down. Sorry trk - this just got back on topic. I promise I'll ignore any further posts from guiltyspark :)

cyclone70

11-18-2009, 04:25 PM

I have seen countless games in the past that were never patched once and were broken beyong belief.

Yeah, like Asobo's FUEL. I loved it, but man was it broken!!! And not one teeny weeny patch ever turned up!

fuzzychickens

11-18-2009, 05:50 PM

CODMW2 is one of the fastest returned games I have ever seen. In my local store there is already a full shelf of 360 and PS3 pre-owned versions, where as the PC version has not sold a single box.

And to be fair, Forza 3 is an MS title. It has millions spent on making it, and MS know that the DLC packs are a great way to milk the fanbase for more money for data that could and should have been free and in the title at release. Dont forget that most DLC is actually created before the game is even released.

No patch is ever "to late", getting one is good in any time frame. Just be thankfull this game is actually getting one. I have seen countless games in the past that were never patched once and were broken beyong belief.

And why should PC gamers buy IW's crap PC version? They tried to shove a console game down PC gamer's throats.

1. No dedicated server
2. No lean function
3. NO tools for level editing, means no mods
4. No control of your game experiene - no kicks, no bans

Hackers have already destroyed online play for the PC version. Players can't kick or ban them.

What is IW's response to the hack so far? To have videos of the hack removed from youtube to keep it quiet.

Expect to see more of this crap as developers design games on consoles first and port that junk straight to the PC version - you'll be lucky if they don't start requiring you to use a gamepad on your PC.

I hope this console generation last a LONG time, so more players go back to playing better looking and more sophisticated games on PC.

I bet a year from now, way more PC gamers will be playing the first MW than are playing MW2. I know I will. I cancelled my MW2 order as soon as I learned about the lack of dedicated server.

the_somme

11-18-2009, 05:57 PM

no cockpits in the update?! what did i miss? we have been informed for over a month that the update would include the missing cockpits and now they're not in it?

when did this happen?

Ancient Seraph

11-18-2009, 08:13 PM

no cockpits in the update?! what did i miss? we have been informed for over a month that the update would include the missing cockpits and now they're not in it?

when did this happen?

Just now I guess... first time I heard as well.

dazz1971

11-18-2009, 09:33 PM

no cockpits oh well at least we got us an easter egg to make up for it lmao!!

trk29

11-18-2009, 10:05 PM

no cockpits in the update?! what did i miss? we have been informed for over a month that the update would include the missing cockpits and now they're not in it?

when did this happen?

Anton did say they were going to try to get the 109 in and maybe the 190. But I guess publisher told them otherwise...

That's just my speculation.

Leweegibo

11-19-2009, 02:42 AM

Alright! News! I am kinda glad the patch releases in 3 weeks (crosses fingers), that gives me time to play CoD 6 till the awe wears off, and come back to IL-2 fresh.

+1

haha that was my first thought too!
And I would put money on the fact that most the MW2 returns are from single player only players, coz the MP is super addictive!

It doesn't matter too much to me how long the update will be, I know I will always come back to BoP, although no MP adversaries will be sad

dazz1971

11-19-2009, 09:23 AM

It doesn't matter too much to me how long the update will be, I know I will always come back to BoP, although no MP adversaries will be sad

this is kinda what im thinking at the mo do i hang on to bop till the update comes or trade it in but if i do hold on is it gonna be worth it if there isnt gonna be anyone left online to play against ?:(

InfiniteStates

11-19-2009, 10:56 AM

this is kinda what im thinking at the mo do i hang on to bop till the update comes or trade it in but if i do hold on is it gonna be worth it if there isnt gonna be anyone left online to play against ?:(

Depends how partial you are to the occasional ruck with several AI drones. Bearing in mind the AI is getting a face lift in the patch too...

BoP will never be leaving my collection.

IiI GUNNY IiI

11-19-2009, 01:08 PM

I will not address the difference between COD and FORZA compared to this game.its hard to compare games that sold MILLIONS of copys and has TENS OF Thousand's of players on EVERY night.To a game selling in the thousand`s and had 6 guys playing last night.

What ever is in the update,When ever it comes out,it does not matter.The damage is done,the community has dwindled and the game is in the last troughs of death.

By time the update hits even CPR will not save it.

cyclone70

11-19-2009, 01:15 PM

The damage is done,the community has dwindled and the game is in the last troughs of death.

... but your still posting on the forum :confused:

House MD 221B

11-19-2009, 02:00 PM

right there with you gunny, they pissed about and neglected the fans, to earn a cheap buck. And they've paid for it.

And the reason we still post on the forums Cyclone, is because most of the people here are good people, and we all play other games together, and this is a good community, which means we dont have to stop posting just because the game THIS forum is based on, is a very poor effort, filled with broken promises.

1 easter egg, for promised cockpits is NOT acceptable.

So yes we still post.

beaker126

11-19-2009, 02:06 PM

And play, if I can get over my current Borderlands addiction. :) Oooooh noooo it's calling meeeee!!

House MD 221B

11-19-2009, 02:14 PM

lol i hear that :) im engrossed in CoD at the mo, struggling with the decision to prestige or not :) Do I want the extra create a class slot???? :)

cyclone70

11-19-2009, 02:33 PM

And the reason we still post on the forums Cyclone, is because most of the people here are good people, and we all play other games together, and this is a good community, which means we dont have to stop posting just because the game THIS forum is based on, is a very poor effort, filled with broken promises.

yep don't have a problem with that, just saying most of the 'too little too late' stuff has been said a hundred times already.

I paid 30 quid for the game and I've got 30 quids worth of enjoyment out of it easily. Single player campaign is worth 30 quid on it's own.

dazz1971

11-19-2009, 03:54 PM

lol i hear that :) im engrossed in CoD at the mo, struggling with the decision to prestige or not :) Do I want the extra create a class slot???? :)

well when i prestiged in cod 4 i instantly regreted it lol i mean there is more than enough class slots as is i mean i have a sniper class a assualt class and my special ninja class akimbo p90s with rapid fire etc so i dont see the point myself unless you want the spangley badge you get for it ???

oh and house i got the stingers now mate awsome i must have shot down hundreds of choppers and harriers lol ive even got the rewards for shooting down so many lol :grin:

you can instantly tell which one is me as soon as a enermy chopper/harrier appears im the one who breaks cover looking skyward with a stinger lol like a dog after a bone :-P

House MD 221B

11-19-2009, 05:51 PM

i LOVE the stinger, its amazing, I've tried to get into the javelin, but its just nowhere near as good, and you only get 1 round, whereas with the stinger you get 2 rounds, and that extra round makes ALL the difference!

Did you know that a Javelin missile costs £60,000 a shot?

but yeah so far I've only shot down one chopper with the Javelin, and accidentally killed 3 team mates.

Whereas with the Stinger I've shot down over 100 air vehicles, and NOT killed any team mates :)

xX-SiLeNcE-Xx

11-19-2009, 05:55 PM

dazz1971

11-19-2009, 06:02 PM

InfiniteStates

11-19-2009, 06:13 PM

lol you sure you killed them by accident ?? once or twice ive killed a team mate ussually the gobby one who is getting on my nerves purely by accident tho i swear ;)

LOL standard practise for me is to open the score board as soon as the match starts, and mute everyone whether they're talking or not.

House MD 221B

11-19-2009, 07:41 PM

I know I hate the new "You cant be in a party" thing, that REALLY sucks, I hope they get rid of that.

However, my friends and I have discovered a fun game... finding new and ingenious ways to annoy the other people into muting us.

As immature as that sounds, it has actually lead to us meeting some really cool players who like to use tactics and teamwork.

SEE

11-20-2009, 12:04 AM

With Cyclone70, this thread is about BOP title update, you want to post COD related comments then start a thread on that! Us BOP players can skip it as of 'absolutely no interest'...........:rolleyes:

Draakje

11-20-2009, 12:23 AM

Great that there is news about the title update crap that its ps3 first :P
Just wish there where more players in my timezone, tried last night to have some fun but well i can only play around 3-4 am because then americans come on.
Almost everyone i know in my own timezone isnt even playing the game anymore.
:(

House MD 221B

11-20-2009, 12:50 AM

trk29

11-20-2009, 03:19 AM

dont like it? dont post, ignore it and read on.

Actually he is right this thread has went off topic and is about the title update. Sorry just posting forum rules.

kozzm0

11-20-2009, 04:42 AM

no cockpits in the update?! what did i miss? we have been informed for over a month that the update would include the missing cockpits and now they're not in it?

when did this happen?

you'd think they could just import some nice cockpits from the earlier pc versions of IL-2, as they undoubtedly already exist.

Targetware, a free user-created sim in beta, has great cockpits for its German planes. You have to control everything in the plane, too, fuel mixture, fuel tanks, wheel brakes, weapon selection, etc. And there's no HUD, so you actually HAVE to look at the cockpit instruments.

Ancient Seraph

11-20-2009, 07:52 AM

you'd think they could just import some nice cockpits from the earlier pc versions of IL-2, as they undoubtedly already exist.

Targetware, a free user-created sim in beta, has great cockpits for its German planes. You have to control everything in the plane, too, fuel mixture, fuel tanks, wheel brakes, weapon selection, etc. And there's no HUD, so you actually HAVE to look at the cockpit instruments.

The thing I don't like about having to look at the instruments is that the only really practical way to do it is with TrackIR.. which is way too expensive. Else you'd be messing around with your hatswitch all the time, trying to center it, you'd probably need zoom, etc.

Riceball

11-20-2009, 12:39 PM

The thing I don't like about having to look at the instruments is that the only really practical way to do it is with TrackIR.. which is way too expensive. Else you'd be messing around with your hatswitch all the time, trying to center it, you'd probably need zoom, etc.

It's pretty easy with a controller.

I know a controller is not in the spirit of a flight sim but, consoles don't ship with a flight stick.

IiI GUNNY IiI

11-20-2009, 03:09 PM

InfiniteStates

11-20-2009, 03:37 PM

Boys and girls,The question still to be answered..Will our fearless heroes wait another weekend before rescue.Will the evil lords of B.S save the dieing hero of internet pilots IL-2 .Or will they allow another weekend to go by, all the wile the evil lords of CODMW2 and forza3 steal the community.Will our heros act or stay in the bat cave.STAY TUNED .maybe next month same bat time same bat channel SAME BAT BS.
If you're placing so much emphasis on the patch, I think you're missing the point of the game and would probably be better off playing MW2 or something instead. Because that game is in no need of any patching whatsoever.

If you can't have fun with the game as is, then the patch isn't going to fix that for you.

Lexandro

11-20-2009, 04:22 PM

If you're placing so much emphasis on the patch, I think you're missing the point of the game and would probably be better off playing MW2 or something instead. Because that game is in no need of any patching whatsoever.

If you can't have fun with the game as is, then the patch isn't going to fix that for you.

DING DING DING! We have a winner!

Thats precisely the point, and in a nutshell.

SEE

11-20-2009, 06:02 PM

Must admit the Patch moaning is getting soooooo tedious! Enjoy the game as is. Thankfully, lots of us do excatly that!

Raw Kryptonite

11-20-2009, 07:21 PM

If you're placing so much emphasis on the patch, I think you're missing the point of the game and would probably be better off playing MW2 or something instead. Because that game is in no need of any patching whatsoever.

If you can't have fun with the game as is, then the patch isn't going to fix that for you.

Well said, this game came out in great shape out of the box. Some tweaks would be nice in the MP, but not what you would consider a "patch" and hardly necessary to make it a great game.

House MD 221B

11-20-2009, 07:44 PM

lol no it bloody didn't, its half made, and BADLY coded, its broken, and is NOT great out of the box, hence the dwindling numbers, dont get me wrong its a good effort (sort of) but lets not kid ourselves. The only reason you think its great and you have everyone elses support, is because everyone else has left.

Now I've traded this disgusting half arsed attempt of a game, and I have no regrets, and I've already said why I stay around because of the good people myself and others have met here. But you guys are delusional, you are quite correct, the Patch will not fix a THING, because they have lied to you, there will be no cockpits as promised, and the GLARING flaws that everyone noticed the first afternoon of playing, will NOT be fixed.

SO lets not get all high and mighty playing the "No, because you think its crap and we don't, you're wrong, and because one person disagrees, we're the winners" you need to learn one thing, NO-ONE WINS, you lost hard earned cash to people who haven't earnt it, and those that bought it in high hopes lost out because we were lied to, and dealt a crap coaster.

And you accept that people who have made AMAZING PC versions, have made a simply appauling and disgraceful Console version. Don't hold them as heroes, hold them as ACCOUNTABLE!

How the HELL can you say this was perfect as is out the box?

Fly the P-51, fly the P-47, look at the range of motion of the gun turrets, look at the TERRIBLE net code, look at the dwindling numbers. I'm not saying GIVE UP, but what I am saying is, stop kidding yourselves that this is an amazing game that they can just give up on and say "meh, we''ve done enough"

I'm a VERY experienced Flight Simmer, I LOVE my flightsims, I LOVE IL-2 Series on the PC, But the xbox release was nothing short of an insult, and they let themselves down badly, partly by releasing a half finished game with no cockpits, which they arent even going to release as promised. but also they elt themselves down by hiring a simply AWEFUL publishing company.

Now you can flame and disagree if you wish, I'm not interested, but at least look at what you're typing, and playing, and be honest with yourselves.

I wanted this to be amazing, I waited a very long time eagerly watching this game, I thought it would hark back to my air warrior days, and was going to be amazing, and I, like a great many others have been sorely disappointed. We recognise that consoles are limited, e.g. we cant have 200 people in one match like you could on the PC, and we could ignore the pittiful room limits, BUT the glaring coding problems can't be ignored, and if you sit there typing your "It's amazing" BS, then you are ignoring very important problems. Because THIS game will get ignored, and the gamer's theyve insulted who paid £40 for an unfinished and unsupported game, will NOT buy a sequal if they even get to make one. And that is a great shame for all Simmers everywhere.

Because do you know how it will play out? People will say "That's why no-one creates sims for consoles, because the gamer's don't want them, Sims should stay on PC" but console gamers DO want them, we really, really do! but if you release an unfinished game, with no updates, and overpriced DLC that is also poor quality, then the gamers will be penalised for the publishers and developer's inabilities to do their jobs properly. And that goes for ALL Devs and Publishers, I'm not just singling out this game and it's team. Take Codemaster's abismal attempt at a very good and Classic Game, OpFlash1 was brilliant, it had its bugs and problems, but they did their best, but for the time it was great. But OpFlash2, is just aweful, and they've released 1 patch and given in to some of the communities requests, and that's a nice start, but the amount of problems with that game will never be able to be patched because they're too badly engrained in the coding. Not like IL-2 which COULD be fixed if they can be bothered.

But once again, low sales, and poor reviews, and people trading in the game, will lead people to say "Console gamers dont want sims" and that's not fair.

So yes people deserve to be berated for failing the gamers, because the gamers will suffer, NOT the companies.

Read all this / Don't read all this, Flame me / Don't flame me, Agree / disaggree, I don't care, WE WILL SUFFER because of people producing crap games, which SHOULD have been good.

zg26

11-20-2009, 07:55 PM

I don't ever recall the German cockpits being promised and I've never been under the impression they would be included in the patch.

Ancient Seraph

11-20-2009, 08:03 PM

I don't ever recall the German cockpits being promised and I've never been under the impression they would be included in the patch.

They said they would make German cockpits from the very beginning, and had most of us believe they'd be in the patch. I might find a quote, but I'm too lazy atm.

On a side note, I'm glad people keep on showing how much they appreciate the community of this forum, even though they think the game is broken, and keep repeating that.

durangodoug

11-20-2009, 08:18 PM

I can't believe some people think this game is broken, play more video games and you'll see that IL2 is no where near the level of "broken" when compared to other games from other developers. cough, cough...ea games

House MD 221B

11-20-2009, 08:21 PM

winny

11-20-2009, 08:28 PM

I'm a VERY experienced Flight Simmer, I LOVE my flightsims, I LOVE IL-2 Series on the PC, But the xbox release was nothing short of an insult, and they let themselves down badly, partly by releasing a half finished game with no cockpits, which they arent even going to release as promised. but also they elt themselves down by hiring a simply AWEFUL publishing company.

And herein lies the problem I think.

Here's a different point of veiw.
I haven't played a 'proper' flight sim since CFS2. I stopped buying PC games because of the constant upgrades needed etc.

I bought a playstaion and never looked back.
Since that day I've been waiting for a console flight sim type of game and have bought many over the years PS2 and 3 only to be dissapointed.

I saw IL-2 on the shelf on it's day of release and wondered if this may be the one.. And it is, by far the best flight'sim' game on a console that I've played.

I've played hundreds of online arcade matches and have had the more enjoyment out of this game than any other game I've played online. Bought COD6/MW2/Franchise expansion, and whilst it's a good game there is nowhere near the depth that you get in even an online IL-2 game.

I'm so bored by the 'hardcore' brigade banging on about all of the flaws and faults and technicallities...

Get yourselves into a good 5 a side arcade match kill some planes, get killed have a laugh.

To comapre the console version against the PC version is futile. Different animals, different market.

So to the people who made this I'd like to say thanks coz I've had a great time playing it. And I will continue to. To anyone who's thinking of trading in their copy of the game I would urge you to do it, it's useless just sat there, someone will pick it up cheap and play it.

Rugbykaiser

11-20-2009, 08:31 PM

Although he states he doesn't care, I have to agree with HOUSE MD on this issue. Those bugs and missing functionalities (please don't forget the messy flightstick setup) and other issues, which have been mentioned a lot of times now in various threads, do make this game certainly not perfect as some people try to believe.
So, I still hope this patch will arrive, if not I will avoid any 1C games, as I donot accept the way they treat their customers.
Hope to see some of you in an online game, if no error message appears.

SEE

11-20-2009, 08:45 PM

Comparing BOP console to a PC version is OK but this is the first and only title attempt at a WW2 combat sim for a market dominated by Arcade style games. I have a drawer full of PC games that will not work on my PC because of issues with memory, processor, wrong Graphics card or one not supported, thats what I call useless never mind 'broken'!
Buy BOP, slap it into your console and it works and you know it will work, in that respect alone its money well spent! How well it works is down to the individual but for me its a no hassle purchase that has given me hours of enjoyment which is how I evaluate a title. Being realistic is not the same as being deluded!

xX-SiLeNcE-Xx

11-20-2009, 09:48 PM

Please tell me which.

EA... The Battlefield series. One of the best shooters made (better than MW2 IMO), but the mics are so broken...

O, and NFS: Shift. I don't think any game will fail as hard as that on again. There's a pic somewhere on the net where somebodys X-BOX was trying to connect to the Playstation Network to play online. XD

haitch40

11-21-2009, 10:49 AM

EA... The Battlefield series. One of the best shooters made (better than MW2 IMO), but the mics are so broken...

O, and NFS: Shift. I don't think any game will fail as hard as that on again. There's a pic somewhere on the net where somebodys X-BOX was trying to connect to the Playstation Network to play online. XD

lmao
i thought bf1943 was decent for its price but it seriously needs an artilery vehicle, bomber turrets and dlc

IiI GUNNY IiI

11-21-2009, 04:56 PM

If you're placing so much emphasis on the patch, I think you're missing the point of the game and would probably be better off playing MW2 or something instead. Because that game is in no need of any patching whatsoever.

If you can't have fun with the game as is, then the patch isn't going to fix that for you.

The game it self is fine .OK GOT IT .THE problem is the COMMUNITY and the fact that we have no one to play with the ONLY thing that my get it back is the update .OK got it ,or is there a way I can draw you a picture...

SEE

11-21-2009, 06:06 PM

Picture not needed, I go on every night and get a game no problem. Small community maybe but regulars are still there!

Robotic Pope

11-21-2009, 07:04 PM

I agree with SEE.

Also I believe that publishers 505 games are not awful. They publish games that very few other publishers would gamble on. And I don't think you can blame them for the patch delay. Armoured Core games are published by 505 and they have constant title updates coming out, so 505 know what they are doing.

InfiniteStates

11-21-2009, 09:51 PM

lol no it bloody didn't, its half made, and BADLY coded, its broken, and is NOT great out of the box, hence the dwindling numbers, dont get me wrong its a good effort (sort of) but lets not kid ourselves. The only reason you think its great and you have everyone elses support, is because everyone else has left.
Well 79% on GameRankings over 12 reviews kind of indicates otherwise. I would be interested to hear what half you think is missing... There's a good campaign, and shyte load of extra single missions and fun online. Admittedly the online generates the impression it's empty when it wasn't, which wasn't good for the title, but I'm still interested to know how you think everything on the disk only constitutes half a game?

And what makes you say it's badly coded? In caps no less. You're entitled to your opinion of course, and if you don't like the game that's fine. But don't make statements about it that are false. Give examples.

How the HELL can you say this was perfect as is out the box?
No-one said it was perfect, but it is good. The patch will be welcome, but even if it doesn't come, this game is up the with the best of my collection. My opinion, and clearly it's different from yours.

Fly the P-51, fly the P-47...
God, I am sick to death of hearing about the P bloody 51 and the other couple of dodgy planes. There 40 odd fkin planes in the game. Fly another one. Plus, the P51 was as broken in the demo as it is in the final game. Maybe you should have tried that and saved yourself and ourselves all the moaning?

I'm a VERY experienced Flight Simmer, I LOVE my flightsims, I LOVE IL-2 Series on the PC
Well, you know the answer then don't you?

...but also they elt themselves down by hiring a simply AWEFUL publishing company.
This is ignorant and wrong. Developers are at the mercy of publishers. And 505 games, despite what a lot of you may think, do deserve credit, not only for taking the gamble with this niche product at a time when the whole world is desperate for revenue, but also for putting out the patch, despite the delay.

I wanted this to be amazing, I waited a very long time eagerly watching this game, I thought it would hark back to my air warrior days, and was going to be amazing, and I, like a great many others have been sorely disappointed.
I think this is the core of your's and all other PC converts problem... You had massive expectations for this game, and as such it didn't meet them. It's not the dev's or the publisher's fault that the product that they've released doesn't meet your expectations. But those of us that evaluate it on it's own merits, and not what it could have or should have been, are having fun with it.

Read all this / Don't read all this, Flame me / Don't flame me, Agree / disaggree, I don't care, WE WILL SUFFER because of people producing crap games, which SHOULD have been good.
Again, ignorant and niave about the workings of the game industry. Publishers don't give a crap what gamers want. They look at their spreadsheet of what sells and make more of it until it stops selling. Now and then the odd publisher will take a risk on something, like 505 did with BoP. But when it gets thrown back in their face it's going to make them less inclined to do so. So it's behaviour like yours that is endangering these sorts of releases.

Irishmandkg

11-22-2009, 05:00 AM

Now we wait. They said the update went to Sony on the 18th for approval. Can't wait for it, and then the cockpit patch. :grin:

Riceball

11-22-2009, 11:33 AM

Araqiel

11-22-2009, 12:23 PM

I must say that not having the correct cockpit for the P-51D-NT5 (which I think is the model in the game) is a bugger because there's a second slip indicator ball on the gunsight housing that really helps with keeping coordinated through a guns pass. Still not sure why the wrong 'pit was used - was any explanation ever offered as to why?

kozzm0

11-22-2009, 12:45 PM

Anyone who knows anything about WW2 avation will know the P-51 and P-47 were among the most effective and deadly planes of the era. And don't give me the "P-51 is supposed to fight at high altitudes" crap. It could hold it's own in a phone booth.

With a wing-loading of about 39 lbs per square foot, higher than yak-3 and almost as high as the bf109, I wouldn't count on a p51 to win a low-turn radius fight. You need low wing loading to stay mobile at low speed. Such as the Spitfire at about 24 lbs/ft^2, and the Zero at 22. Without low wing-loading, you need high thrust-to-weight to fight the planes that do. P51D had 0.18 hp/lb, same as the Zeros and among the lowest of all the fighters. How's that for knowing something?

P51 enjoyed a serious numerical advantage from the moment it entered service, and its primary role was escort and interception at high speed, and ground support, like it was designed for. That's where it got its kills and its reputation.

dazz1971

11-22-2009, 03:41 PM

God, I am sick to death of hearing about the P bloody 51 and the other couple of dodgy planes. There 40 odd fkin planes in the game. Fly another one. Plus, the P51 was as broken in the demo as it is in the final game. Maybe you should have tried that and saved yourself and ourselves all the moaning?
so if you brought a box of chocolates and all but 4 were rotten you wouldnt demand a refund then ???

This is ignorant and wrong. Developers are at the mercy of publishers. And 505 games, despite what a lot of you may think, do deserve credit, not only for taking the gamble with this niche product at a time when the whole world is desperate for revenue, but also for putting out the patch, despite the delay.yeah there great publishers i emailed them over a month ago asking in a polite maner about the patch they couldnt even be bothred to reply and they have now in antons own words forbidden the devs to mention anything about them yes they deserve credit for great customer service not!!! wether they took a risk or not if the product any company release is broken they fail lets look at the car manufacturers for an example if they relesed a model that was broken they do a product recall not bury there heads in the sand and hope noone notices ???

I think this is the core of your's and all other PC converts problem... You had massive expectations for this game, and as such it didn't meet them. It's not the dev's or the publisher's fault that the product that they've released doesn't meet your expectations. But those of us that evaluate it on it's own merits, and not what it could have or should have been, are having fun with it.well if it doesnt meet the standards of previous il2 games it shouldnt bear the ill2 name then should it all that will achive is drag the good product name of il2 down

Again, ignorant and niave about the workings of the game industry. Publishers don't give a crap what gamers want. They look at their spreadsheet of what sells and make more of it until it stops selling. Now and then the odd publisher will take a risk on something, like 505 did with BoP. But when it gets thrown back in their face it's going to make them less inclined to do so. So it's behaviour like yours that is endangering these sorts of releases.

so the fact that the game needs a patch as its broken and doesnt furfill what it says it does on the back of the case wont harm this game genre then ?

all this arguing about this game is crud its took what was when i first came here a great and tight comunity and split it down the middle and made us all cranky and bitchy at each other i put most of that down to all this waiting for a patch and the fact that 505 game cant even be bothered to inform the very comunity that was supporting this game by simply making a single post to reasure ppl that the patch was even coming :evil:

rant over

Raw Kryptonite

11-22-2009, 04:43 PM

philabong2

11-22-2009, 05:37 PM

The P-51 handling has been explained and makes perfect sense. The plane is right, just not set for immediate combat flight. It's not the model that's wrong. It'll get tweaked.
I've had plenty of games I enjoyed that had a lot more flaws than this one and I didn't let it drive me off. If you want a perfect game these days, you won't get it. They're too complex and too easy to patch later. Just how it is, we aren't playing space invaders anymore. Point out issues but the incessant bitching gets old and just annoys the other fans, since most associated with the game itself won't even be around to read it.

QFT
there's no such thing as a perfect game, and prob never will (maybe exept for MGS3-4 I went completly nuts over these titles, matter of opinion tho). Lets not kid ourselves here. This game offers a great gaming experience, the little tweaks will prob make it even better (joysticks and other stuff def cant hurt)... but if u cant enjoy this game as it is right now, you prob wont like it even after the patch came in.

The M00ps

11-22-2009, 08:58 PM

They're too complex and too easy to patch later.

Agreed. But almost 3 months to fix some very basic flaws that should have never made it past QA? C'mon, even EA is more responsive than that. Regardless of who's fault it is, it has effectively killed the online community for this game. What could've really been a gem is going to become a bargain bin queen.

Sadly, I watched Battlestations: Pacific go down the same way. At least Eidos had an excuse, as they went under not long after release.

Lexandro

11-22-2009, 09:29 PM

Agreed. But almost 3 months to fix some very basic flaws that should have never made it past QA? C'mon, even EA is more responsive than that.

What? Like the BF2 patch that was in beta for a year? Or the 2142 patch that was in beta for a year? Or Mercs 2 that is still totally bugged on PC? Or Hellgate London that shutdown 1 year after release?

Sorry but EA are one of the WORST offenders for late patching, non existant support, and helluva bugged games. And before someone pulls out something like BioShock, that didnt get a patch for 4 months after release and even then it was only a "lite" patch doing bugger all to help. Or how about HAWX that didnt get its absolutely required patch (due to huge game flaws) for 8 months?

In short, unless its an MMO or a huge blockbuster title then patches are always going to be later than people want them. In BoP's case 4 months is average for a game title to get a full patch, thats actually adding features and not fixing critical showstoping bugs.

Ancient Seraph

11-22-2009, 11:14 PM

What? Like the BF2 patch that was in beta for a year? Or the 2142 patch that was in beta for a year? Or Mercs 2 that is still totally bugged on PC? Or Hellgate London that shutdown 1 year after release?

Sorry but EA are one of the WORST offenders for late patching, non existant support, and helluva bugged games. And before someone pulls out something like BioShock, that didnt get a patch for 4 months after release and even then it was only a "lite" patch doing bugger all to help. Or how about HAWX that didnt get its absolutely required patch (due to huge game flaws) for 8 months?

In short, unless its an MMO or a huge blockbuster title then patches are always going to be later than people want them. In BoP's case 4 months is average for a game title to get a full patch, thats actually adding features and not fixing critical showstoping bugs.
+1
And again, I think it's useless to keep on talking on how publishers suck etc. We have no idea how the whole system works, who answers to who, etc.

InfiniteStates

11-23-2009, 12:28 PM

Is that really your response to complaints about the American planes? Fly another one? Give me a break.
Yes it is. The P51 is one plane of forty. That is 2.5%. And even though it's not the only broken plane (FW I'm looking at you) it's still the minority by a long way. Fly another one - there are plenty that aren't broken.

I'm sorry if you are a die-hard P51 fan and that is all you care about. But this is not P51: Birds of Prey. Just because a few planes are broken does not make the entire BoP package a complete failure.

But I guess to me the glass is way more than half full. If you want to focus on it being a little bit empty that is your loss, not mine.

And to dazz1971: you're putting words into my mouth. How is a handful of broken planes equivalent to chocolates with all but four rotten? Unless there are only 5 in the box. I'm not wasting my lunch arguing against something where you've either not read my post properly, or you've read it as well as you've written the response. My lunch break is too short to bother. I hope you can find a game out there that does meet your standards.

IiI GUNNY IiI

11-23-2009, 12:50 PM

Yes it is. The P51 is one plane of forty. That is 2.5%. And even though it's not the only broken plane (FW I'm looking at you) it's still the minority by a long way. Fly another one - there are plenty that aren't broken.

I'm sorry if you are a die-hard P51 fan and that is all you care about. But this is not P51: Birds of Prey. Just because a few planes are broken does not make the entire BoP package a complete failure.

But I guess to me the glass is way more than half full. If you want to focus on it being a little bit empty that is your loss, not mine.

And to dazz1971: you're putting words into my mouth. How is a handful of broken planes equivalent to chocolates with all but four rotten? Unless there are only 5 in the box. I'm not wasting my lunch arguing against something where you've either not read my post properly, or you've read it as well as you've written the response. My lunch break is too short to bother. I hope you can find a game out there that does meet your standards.

Dude I love your left handed personal attacks. Pompous, Arrogant,And Ignorant .Well lets just say ,Yes I bet you know something about all of that stuff.And I don't know who you are ,or what that" SR Member" means beside your name "must be a way of saying just hear to defend this piece of crap that you wasted your money on to the dieing end"Do they pay you for this service or do you go down for free!!!!.OK jerk now I would tell you really what I think of you,this game,and everyone concerned,But This piece of Chit has not been in my console in a week, and MY friend list is mostly made of people that I made friends with on the first week of this game"see I cleared my friends list of most of the people on my list to make room for this game. THAT`s HOW MUCH IT MEANT TO ME TO GET A GAME LIKE THIS"so.Thats why I`m so pissed This was to be MY GAME but last night from my friends list there was TWO "FREAKING 2 "people playing They where playing each other and told me that they had seen no one else on.So any way I would stay to tell you what I think of you but .after all this I just don't care .If they patch this game to spew money out of the front of my Xbox ,I still will not be back out of protest .I will never Buy ANY game with the 505 or C1,Logo on it.LAST POST>>BUY...

IiI GUNNY IiI

11-23-2009, 01:02 PM

Ok I stopped smoking last week.So, was my last post maybe a little over the top?Just asking.God I need a smoke!!!!!!!

Ancient Seraph

11-23-2009, 01:07 PM

Ok I stopped smoking last week.So, was my last post maybe a little over the top?Just asking.God I need a smoke!!!!!!!

The whole personal attack stuff was a bit unnecessary.. the rest made some sense.
Hope you can find some other game that can be 'your game'. Bye :).

InfiniteStates

11-23-2009, 01:25 PM

IiI GUNNY IiI: I believe you are the one who launches personal attacks, and still continue to do so. But feel free - it reflects more on you than me.

I won't deny there are some broken things about BoP, and that some things couldn't be better. But to say the game is completely broken, unplayable, a coaster or whatever else it has been accused of by some people who seem to pin all their hopes on the patch is just plain wrong. In my opinion, the game is good as it stands, and the patch will only make it better.

It's not the game's fault you cleared all your friends and whatever else you did. It wasn't a requirement to play the game. And even if this game had a perfect lobby system, I've no doubt that the community would have been significantly reduced by the release of MW2, which is, after all, only the biggest game ever. And I suppose that is the developer/publisher's fault too?

But thanks for your constructive contributions. See ya.

BTW, the "Senior Member" is related to post count. I don't know how obvious that is to others.

Deascendent

11-24-2009, 03:08 AM

Lexandro

11-24-2009, 05:39 AM

Bottom line is that the so called "community", doesn't exist anymore and people that bought and enjoyed the multiplayer are upset with such a massive tease, just a few changes and it could have been a cult classic hit like consoles have never seen before... who knows if even a perfect patch could bring people back.

So says you, who has barely even bothered to join in with the "community" you said doesn't exist. Its patently obvious that your wrong, as the community does exist, as this here forum clearly shows.

I bought it and still enjoy multiplayer, and I am not bothered when the patch comes out. A patch wont make the game any better as a title, it will simply add a couple of features and clear up some things that the MP game could do with.

Frankly I'm getting sick and tired of all the whinging by so called "members", its almost as if none of you have even bought a game before.

simfan

11-24-2009, 07:21 AM

This promised BoP patch is an added bonus for an already unique experience.
(BTW I am a software dev myself (unfortunately not in developping games/sims, which is probably about the hardest thing one could set out to do).
Dunno about BoP, but in general when we talk about software users:
- some users will never ever be satisfied
- some will always claim (your) software is not ready
- some people will never even try to find and admit there is good in anything
- flaws in almost everything are a fact of life, some flaws only due to limited resources.
I have nothing but admiration for these devs (and publishers) that have an almost impossible task to satisfy the most demanding people of all: (hardcore) simmers.
Thx 1C/505/devs for this beautiful game/sim.
"Approve or Improve".

InfiniteStates

11-24-2009, 11:45 AM

This promised BoP patch is an added bonus for an already unique experience.
(BTW I am a software dev myself (unfortunately not in developping games/sims, which is probably about the hardest thing one could set out to do).
Dunno about BoP, but in general when we talk about software users:
- some users will never ever be satisfied LOL
- some will always claim (your) software is not ready Usually the programmer :)
- some people will never even try to find and admit there is good in anything LOLx2
- flaws in almost everything are a fact of life, some flaws only due to limited resources. and/or time
I have nothing but admiration for these devs (and publishers) that have an almost impossible task to satisfy the most demanding people of all: (hardcore) simmers.
Thx 1C/505/devs for this beautiful game/sim.
"Approve or Improve".
Quoted for truth. Amen, bro.

guiltyspark

11-24-2009, 03:35 PM

I love anton and his crew for the game that they made but blind love thats happening here is pretty sad.

all that was required to fix this game months ago was a hotfix for the crash bug and the game would have retained the community for MONTHS

i dont believe for a second that any of this waiting for 3 months would have happened if the "Extra" playstation functionalities like keyboard support , and extra joystiks were not implemented. The QA testing and legal bullshit they would have to go through to get this enabled would be mindwrecking.

and all we needed in the first place was a quick fix with some changes in code.

now the 360 community IS dead , and from what i see now is not repairable in any way unless they start marketing the game again. because nobody is online at all and new users who buy this game are being robbed of their money if they intended to play this online.

Deascendent

11-24-2009, 05:55 PM

So says you, who has barely even bothered to join in with the "community" you said doesn't exist. Its patently obvious that your wrong, as the community does exist, as this here forum clearly shows.

I bought it and still enjoy multiplayer, and I am not bothered when the patch comes out. A patch wont make the game any better as a title, it will simply add a couple of features and clear up some things that the MP game could do with.

Frankly I'm getting sick and tired of all the whinging by so called "members", its almost as if none of you have even bought a game before.

Oh give it up, frankly I'm tired with all the brown nosers sucking up to Anton and the devs thinkin' they'll get special treatment in the future or something...

I have only seen one person on my huge friend list of IL2 360 players on since MW2 came out and more and more quality titles are coming out...

BOP is a lost cause, though I patiently await the sequel.

fuzzychickens

11-24-2009, 06:11 PM

Ancient Seraph

11-24-2009, 06:14 PM

MW2 sucks. COD 4 plays much smoother on PC with a dedicated server.
At least Battlefield Bad Company 2 won't be screwing over pc gamers and will ship with dedicated server among other things.
Do we have to turn this into another CoD thread?
He just said people were drawn away by it, I can confirm this, even though I'm not playing it myself.

juz1

11-24-2009, 07:41 PM

Are we there yet?

Seeing as COD will hijack just about every update thread until it happens I thought I'd just say that MW2 is ace but last night I experienced some interesting teamwork glitching involving 2 players cooperating on freeforall, sort of lying prone facing each other and somehow getting headshot on players anywhere on the map...(360)...that and solo disappearing inside a rock on afghan shooting out but impervious to fire...I watched the glitchers on terminal and estate basically kill at will...then I quit and filed a complaint..
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House MD 221B

11-25-2009, 12:01 PM

Good man Juz, can't stand glitchers.

IiI GUNNY IiI

11-25-2009, 12:26 PM

Ok lets get real hear.I love this COD or forza high jacked the community."BS"
If this game would have been correct and tested at release,Or it would have had a hot fix of something in a timely fashion then the community would have stayed .Pilots play good pilot games.COD and Forza and IL-2 are all very different games.I impersonally would have not bought CODMW2 at all if anyone would have been playing IL-2 "the game I would have like to been playing"But no one was.Not because of CODMW2 but because of the crash BS,the plains not flying correctly BS and the server message BS that cost us players.If all these things would have been fixed "oh maybe in the FIRST TWO MOUTHS of release"maybe the community would still be playing.So stop blaming COD and forza for this games problems.Let me guess Next it well be the fault of the BUSH administration!!!!!!!

Lexandro

11-25-2009, 12:29 PM

Oh give it up, frankly I'm tired with all the brown nosers sucking up to Anton and the devs thinkin' they'll get special treatment in the future or something...

I have only seen one person on my huge friend list of IL2 360 players on since MW2 came out and more and more quality titles are coming out...

BOP is a lost cause, though I patiently await the sequel.

Brown nosing? Get a life kiddo, saying when something is good and you like it aint brown nosing, its called "customer satisfaction".I am a satisfied customer, as are many other members here. Your constant bitching about the game being "broken", or "dead" is a pain in the arse and members here are sick of it.

And no of course I dont expect any special treatment, that would be totally idiotic. And if you dont have any friends on BoP thats YOUR fault not the games, because with your attitude I certainly wouldnt have you on MY friends list.

Frankly if you hate the game that much why dont you fekk off to the MW2 forums, since your "brown nosing" IW.

IiI GUNNY IiI

11-25-2009, 12:47 PM

Brown nosing? Get a life kiddo, saying when something is good and you like it aint brown nosing, its called "customer satisfaction".I am a satisfied customer, as are many other members here. Your constant bitching about the game being "broken", or "dead" is a pain in the arse and members here are sick of it.

And no of course I dont expect any special treatment, that would be totally idiotic. And if you dont have any friends on BoP thats YOUR fault not the games, because with your attitude I certainly wouldnt have you on MY friends list.

Frankly if you hate the game that much why dont you fekk off to the MW2 forums, since your "brown nosing" IW.

Have you noticed That THE ONLY PEOPLE that are" satisfied customer"on this forum all have that SR.MEMBER THING beside there name,All most like they have some connection to this site or company,Funny Very Funny.It is really funny reading this crap and watching them squirm around and try to defend this piece of crap

Rhah

11-25-2009, 01:00 PM

Ermmm.... all Sr.Member means is that they've posted a lot on the forum... I'm a "senior member", and i'm certainly not affiliated to any of the companies.... but I am satisfied with the game... weird eh?

Fair point though... If you hate the game so much, why are you here? Surely you must have something better to do with your time?

IiI GUNNY IiI

11-25-2009, 01:03 PM

Never said I hated the game .I do hate what has happened with it.And I'm here for the same reason people slow down a traffic accidents..

Rhah

11-25-2009, 01:05 PM

It may be a "traffic accident" regarding the Xbox community, but us PS3 Sim flyers are having a great time... I'm assuming your on Xbox? You could always defect to the darkside.....

Shadowcorp

11-25-2009, 01:08 PM

I rarely have to wait for a match on the ps3, like Rhah said our community hasn't been affected that much arcade sim or realistic

Lexandro

11-25-2009, 01:10 PM

Have you noticed That THE ONLY PEOPLE that are" satisfied customer"on this forum all have that SR.MEMBER THING beside there name,All most like they have some connection to this site or company,Funny Very Funny.It is really funny reading this crap and watching them squirm around and try to defend this piece of crap

Im a senior member simply because I POSTED more than X amount of times. It has bugger all to do with the company or any affiliations with such. I am not "squirming" in any way shape or form, I simply call it as I see it. Some people here simply have unrealistic expectations from the game and no matter how much patching there is they simply wont be satisfied with the product.

And lets clear this up shall we? What EXACTLY are the bugs in BoP?

2 planes with slightly untuned flight models, missing kills due to crashes and a bombing targeter that sometimes vanishes. Thats a huge bug list eh? Jesus if that what it takes for some people to call a game "broken" then they really should never buy any games ever again.

IiI GUNNY IiI

11-25-2009, 01:28 PM

Im a senior member simply because I POSTED more than X amount of times. It has bugger all to do with the company or any affiliations with such. I am not "squirming" in any way shape or form, I simply call it as I see it. Some people here simply have unrealistic expectations from the game and no matter how much patching there is they simply wont be satisfied with the product.

And lets clear this up shall we? What EXACTLY are the bugs in BoP?

2 planes with slightly untuned flight models, missing kills due to crashes and a bombing targeter that sometimes vanishes. a huge bug list eh? Jesus if that what it takes for some people to call a game "broken" then they really should never buy any games ever again.

LOL"planes with slightly untuned flight models, missing kills due to crashes and a bombing target that [sometimes] vanishes .LOL OK keep going your getting warmer.

Lexandro

11-25-2009, 01:34 PM

What other bugs are there then hmmm? I dont see you or anyone else actually listing any? And I mean BUGS not missing features.

InfiniteStates

11-25-2009, 01:35 PM

Have you noticed That THE ONLY PEOPLE that are" satisfied customer"on this forum all have that SR.MEMBER THING beside there name,All most like they have some connection to this site or company
Haha dude you need therapy. Have you noticed how most of us "brown-nosers" are on PS3 and as such we are getting the patch first. It totally does pay off. (I might as well run with this delusion for my own personal amusement.)

LOL"planes with slightly untuned flight models, missing kills due to crashes and a bombing target that [sometimes] vanishes .LOL OK keep going your getting warmer.
A couple of flightstick issues (which are moot to pad users) aaaaaaand....? What? Come on then - enlightened us with your awesome reasons this game is so "dead" and/or "broken"?

Desode

11-25-2009, 01:35 PM

+1 to Lexandro

I agree,
I have no connections to these companys in any way, and I think BOP is a damn good game for a console flight sim.

I think maybe some of us , who where here long before the game came out, have a little more respect for the DEV team, but not for the Publisher.
The Dev's came here and talked to us a lot. So some of the "Senior" members who where here back then saw that , and appreciate it maybe more then the young members on here. Maybe you could be reading that aspect of things wrong.

I mean really, as BOP sits right now with no patch,, there is no other WWII flight game on console that is worthy of cleaning its Ass.

Unless I missed a heck of a game ?
DESODE

InfiniteStates

11-25-2009, 01:44 PM

I think maybe some of us , who where here long before the game came out, have a little more respect for the DEV team, but not for the Publisher.
As publishers go, 505 has been pretty good too. Not only for bringing the game to market in the first place, but also for funding the patch release and sequel. OK, so they get a black mark for the DLC, but still...you wouldn't see Activision or EA treating it with as much care. Ubisoft maybe...I dunno.

Lexandro

11-25-2009, 01:47 PM

Na mate Ubisoft wouldnt even bother with the patch, they would just jump ship right away and the game wouldnt even be in as good a state as it is. You should have seen the debalce that was HAWX. Makes me sick just thinking of it.

Desode

11-25-2009, 01:52 PM

Yeah I didn't care for Hawx, I had hopes for it before it came out but after I saw it, Nah, Still though that isn't a WWII flight game.

I'll say it again " as BOP sits right now with no patch,, there is no other WWII flight game on console that is worthy of cleaning its Ass. "

DESODE

IiI GUNNY IiI

11-25-2009, 02:33 PM

1.No breaks for flight sticks.
2.Bad fight models on ALOT of plains.
3.Bad message on multi player that cost us players
4.scoring system that made crashing a good thing.
5.Simulator portion of the game that has a frame problem on lots of TVs makes it impossible to see plains till there on top of you.
6. bomb site DOES NOT WORK in simulator,See a Bomb site even in sim should change for altitude and speed see that`s why it is a bomb site.
7.No patches for this game after all forums regarding this game was filled with complaints.
8.bad control set up for the controller players.The rudder and look around on the same stick "what the hell where they thinking".
9.no cockpits on half the plains
10.crashing on spawn.
11.did I point out the no patch thing..Oh ya I did
11.5. More work and talk on forums about the next game that talk about fixing this one."not a problem with the game itself but it just adds to the reasons people are pissed about this game.
12.when the game came out it came out with the controlls turned all the way up so you had to deal with ITS TO EZ TO STALL THING"see most gamers are stupid the thought of turning down the controls had to be shown to them.The controls should have been at halfway.
13.a AI system thats so weak it took me three days to have all plains and complete the game, all single missions too,Yes on sim.
14. multi system that will sometimes have 10 players in the room and split the teams up 4 on 6 ...??????????
15.NO padlock View.see in life your eyes can follow a target so even in sim there should be a padlock view this is a thing that has been in flight sims since MS flight sim 1998 so it not a new idea.
16.sound for all aircraft really poor.
17.How about the company's involved letting all this happen and not fixing it so there is no one to play with.
18.B-17 armor and lets just say P-51!!!!!!!!!!!!
19.No Tv, magazine,any type of marketing at all.Again back to that no one to play with thing.
20.Cockpits that we do have some are incorrect.The P-51D cockpit is not even close.I have been in one .No not flying, on the ground at a air show .But I have seen it and it`s just like the P-51B."Just a stupid mistake"
Ok should I go on. I have more.
OK theres a short list And im doing this at work I dont have the game in to check I can come up with more if I take more that 2 min to think about it ,but this is the off the top of my head stuff .You ask for a list. Be careful what you ask for!!!!

InfiniteStates

11-25-2009, 03:14 PM

<A long list of stuff>
Everything on your list has either been acknowledged as a problem, or is purely subjective. I don't see one single item on there that stops me having fun with the game. In fact just last night I had 4 amazing online games...

But as I said before - I'll see my glass as way more than half full, and you can piss in your glass for all I care :-P

IiI GUNNY IiI

11-25-2009, 03:20 PM

Everything on your list has either been acknowledged as a problem, or is purely subjective. I don't see one single item on there that stops me having fun with the game. In fact just last night I had 4 amazing online games...

But as I said before - I'll see my glass as way more than half full, and you can piss in your glass for all I care :-P
Well good for you,Now Would you like to pay all of us that think this was a complete waste of money back for our games.

InfiniteStates

11-25-2009, 03:21 PM

Well good for you,Now Would you like to pay all of us that think this was a complete waste of money back for our games.
LOL no...it's not my fault you didn't try the demo before you bought the game. Or wait to see if it had "problems". Take responsibility for your own actions mate.

IiI GUNNY IiI

11-25-2009, 03:28 PM

LOL no...it's not my fault you didn't try the demo before you bought the game. Or wait to see if it had "problems". Take responsibility for your own actions mate.
I did try the demo and with all the bombs on the P-51 I thought it was right .and the demo covered no multi-player.and since you brought it up.
#21 the demo did not show enough of the game to show the problems...

InfiniteStates

11-25-2009, 03:31 PM

...#21 the demo did not show enough of the game to show the problems...
Yep, which is why I also said...
...Or wait to see if it had "problems".
See how I covered both bases there? Because I see how you selectively chose to ignore that part.

Shadowcorp

11-25-2009, 03:34 PM

Gunny do you have any idea how long a QA process takes?
Guess what, they take a long time. The developers can't just wave their magic wands and fix all the bugs and implement all the suggestions they recieve. It's a process of trial and error that requires patience and diligence.
I'm sorry that you have probelms with BoP, I'm sorry that microsoft is slow when it comes to response from their QA (no i'm not, i hate microsoft) Realise fixing bugs in a game is a process of trial and error, quite often what fixes one bug will cause an entirly new bug to occur.

IiI GUNNY IiI

11-25-2009, 03:37 PM

Yep, which is why I also said...

See how I covered both bases there? Because I see how you selectively chose to ignore that part.
what does that have to do with a GD thing.Heres the thing.We have been talking about this crap for TWO months ...there is one way to fix it .WHERE IS THE GD UPDATE>till this happens ANYTHING you say is mute.

Rhah

11-25-2009, 03:41 PM

What does GD mean? Is that an abbreviation of God damn? Why not just write "God damn".. Surely its still blasphemous if you abbreviate it?

Anyway, getting pissed about the lack of update will make no difference.. its harsh on the 360 players that there isnt more news, but maybe the fact that no one is playing it on 360 has lead to Anton and Co concentrating on the PS3 version, as there are still a fair few players online?

IiI GUNNY IiI

11-25-2009, 03:46 PM

Yes it stands for GOD DAMNed UPDATE,and if I post enough do I get the SR member thing or do I have to kiss something first..And does the position come with the knee pads of do I buy them myself.

Rhah

11-25-2009, 03:51 PM

Nah, the knee pads you already have in your wardrobe will do just fine.....
And yeah, keep posting and you too could join the senior members club...

(Sorry, I meant the God damned senior members club.)

IiI GUNNY IiI

11-25-2009, 03:53 PM

InfiniteStates

11-25-2009, 04:01 PM

what does that have to do with a GD thing.Heres the thing.We have been talking about this crap for TWO months ...there is one way to fix it .WHERE IS THE GD UPDATE>till this happens ANYTHING you say is mute.
It has to do with the fact that you could have saved yourself and ourselves a lot of moaning had you waitied to see if the game had any problems instead of buying it on release.

FYI, I think you mean "moot" - unless you meant to make a new oxymoron. I'm saying that, in my opinion, the game is good, patch or no patch - that makes it still my opinion irrespective of the patch.

Panzergranate

11-25-2009, 04:21 PM

It has to do with the fact that you could have saved yourself and ourselves a lot of moaning had you waitied to see if the game had any problems instead of buying it on release.

FYI, I think you mean "moot" - unless you meant to make a new oxymoron. I'm saying that, in my opinion, the game is good, patch or no patch - that makes it still my opinion irrespective of the patch.

So if one buys a new car and the gear box doesn't work in top gear then one shouldn't moan because all the other gears work fine??

Weird logic man.....

Generally folks do expect things to work 100% fine, as implied on the box, not 90% or 80% fine.

The problem with fixing the flight model errors on the consols is, I think, next to impossible, due to the attributes for each aircraft being taken from the DVD. On a PC the game is installed on a hard drive and an aircraft's individual attributes can be tampered with.

It is a shame that a few aircraft are un-useable because of this and is akin to buying a case of beer only to discover that a few bottles are stale.

Let's just enjoy the ones that are fine.

InfiniteStates

11-25-2009, 05:20 PM

So if one buys a new car and the gear box doesn't work in top gear then one shouldn't moan because all the other gears work fine??

Weird logic man.....
It's only weird if you apply it to your not-very-applicable analogy instead of the case in point. Drawing an analogy between mild problems with a low cost item and a significant problem with a high cost item doesn't stack up.

Generally folks do expect things to work 100% fine, as implied on the box, not 90% or 80% fine.
And yet generally, they don't work fine. Games (and software in general) have always had and always will have bugs and design issues. For almost the first week of MW2's release I could count the days by the version number. In the grand scheme of things, BoP is not as broken as people make out. And over-dramatising it's problems certainly doesn't help an already small community gain any more support.

The problem with fixing the flight model errors on the consols is, I think, next to impossible, due to the attributes for each aircraft being taken from the DVD. On a PC the game is installed on a hard drive and an aircraft's individual attributes can be tampered with.
At least one (P51) is listed in the fixes, and entire maps have been patched on other games, so it is possible. It could be as simple as changing the code from Load ("E:\some_file") to Load ("C:\some_file").

It is a shame that a few aircraft are un-useable because of this and is akin to buying a case of beer only to discover that a few bottles are stale.
OK, lets use your analogy... You've bought a crate of forty beers, drunk half of them then found out that 2 are stale. Do you return the crate and spend the next 2 months moaning about it, or just drink the 38 good ones, remember the good times and chalk it up to experience?

Let's just enjoy the ones that are fine.
Some of us do, while others refuse to believe that is possible.

The M00ps

11-25-2009, 10:28 PM

Ancient Seraph

11-25-2009, 10:46 PM

Just because I feel compelled to throw my 2 cents in, here's my list of what I consider to be undeniably broken:
(list)

I agree with this list, except for the map view part. This only happens in single missions because then you enable the AI for your plane, since you can switch to other planes/pilots through map view in some missions. Not sure why they'd spiral to the ground though :P.

winny

11-25-2009, 11:01 PM

I already threw my 2p's worth in.

Just wanted to say that this thread is brilliant.. GD brilliant.

Very entertaining.

InfiniteStates

11-25-2009, 11:14 PM

Just because I feel compelled to throw my 2 cents in, here's my list of what I consider to be undeniably broken:

1) the crash bug

2) planes at a distance are visible, then become invisible before they become visible again

3) no brakes for flight sticks

4) when switching to map view, plane flips over and spirals toward the ground (worse in single mission)

Things that really should be fixed, but are more subjective than the above:

1) persistent multiplayer lobby (why does any modern game not do this???)

2) forced cockpit view for multiplayer

3) flight models for P51, FW190

4) lack of bombsight view

5) horrendous dead zone for flight sticks (I understand this is a 360 issue, but I'm feeling bitchy)

6) ability to kick players from lobby

7) correct the 'no available servers' message

Yeah this top list summary is pretty much spot on in my opinion (assuming by "crash bug" you mean people crashing and score not going to the killer? Because generally the term "crash bug" means a bug that ceases operation of the game and either locks or reboots the console. Which BoP has, but it is very, very rare...)

I only agree with about half of your subjective list, but then it's subjective ;) I'm sure I could think of some to replace them. The no brakes on flightsticks doesn't bother me, but I can't land in sim with the pad aviator layout either because of button conflicts, for instance.

But my argument is - the game is still bloody good fun in spite of these problems. But I guess that is also subjective, and for people that can't see past its problems and have fun with it, I'm sorry for them because they missed out on a great game. But to blame the devs and/or publishers for their negative outlook is, IMO, wrong. They are just throwing back in their faces the dev's hard work, and a gutsy move from the publishers.

And no, I'm not brown-nosing. I just appreciate the blood, sweat and tears that go into these products. Especially as the patch was done without financial backing from the publisher.

FOZ_1983

11-25-2009, 11:17 PM

So if one buys a new car and the gear box doesn't work in top gear then one shouldn't moan because all the other gears work fine??

Weird logic man.....

Generally folks do expect things to work 100% fine, as implied on the box, not 90% or 80% fine.

The problem with fixing the flight model errors on the consols is, I think, next to impossible, due to the attributes for each aircraft being taken from the DVD. On a PC the game is installed on a hard drive and an aircraft's individual attributes can be tampered with.

It is a shame that a few aircraft are un-useable because of this and is akin to buying a case of beer only to discover that a few bottles are stale.

Let's just enjoy the ones that are fine.

Ok then, to save messing around with individual stats, lets just make the P51 use the same stat as the spitfire XVI, granted its not accurate, but it will do! and will make it fun to fly.

not going to happen though mate, we'll just wait and see how it turns out.

patience is a virtue

David603

11-26-2009, 09:22 AM

Ok then, to save messing around with individual stats, lets just make the P51 use the same stat as the spitfire XVI, granted its not accurate, but it will do! and will make it fun to fly.
Same problem, I would think. You would need to alter the P51D's data to use the Spit's Flight Model, which would again mean altering what's on the disc.

However, other games get round problems like this, so I think there is a system where the console has a small internal hard drive used for patches and console updates, and the operating system is coded so that if one version of a file exists on the DVD and there is a different version of this file that has been downloaded as a patch, the console recognises the patch version and ignores the file on the DVD.

This would allow a new Flight Model for the P51 to be included in a patch, allong with new FMs for any other aircraft that needed changes.

kozzm0

11-26-2009, 11:41 AM

Ok then, to save messing around with individual stats, lets just make the P51 use the same stat as the spitfire XVI, granted its not accurate, but it will do! and will make it fun to fly.

not going to happen though mate, we'll just wait and see how it turns out.

patience is a virtue

not accurate, to say the least. The p51 had nearly twice as much wing loading as the spit, and less power-to-weight ratio. Yet it seems like people expect it to be a dogfighter. That's not where p51 got its reputation.

I think there's 2 reasons why the p51 handles badly: 1st, all of its missions involve ground attack, so for simplicity it was made to react like it's carrying ordnance; 2nd, it wouldn't be a popular plane for online fights, even if it was corrected to leave out the ordnance. In dogfight and team battle, using a plane with a high corner speed generally equals fewer kills. Like bf109 which handles good but has to stay fast. And in airfield capture and strike, people would bring bombs and rockets, so the model would be accurate in that case, but p51 is still not popular in those modes.

That's not saying it's fair that other planes are so easy to fly with ordnance. But I don't see people flying around with a bomb under their spitfire much anyhow.

MACADEMIC

11-26-2009, 11:47 AM

Thanks Anton for the update. Looking forward to see the changes.

SEE

11-26-2009, 11:54 AM

I understand and accept that many will be very disappointed with the current gameplay flaws and everyone is aware of these by now. Others appreciate that the game is 'acceptable as is' and that there is nothing better available for consloles despite these flaws. The game was designed for a console market and incorporated the Arcade Level in which all the planes were easy to fly and suited the gamepad. Sales for this game have been less than desirable and in hindsight it would have been better to aim it for sim enthusiasts who are stuck with consoles and seem to have the most gripes with it. First, bitching about the flaws is important in order to put pressure on the release of a patch. Continuing to play the game despite these flaws is also important to flag up that we want this game and that it is worth the investment to release any future patches. Both camps have a valuable role to play so bitch all you like but play the game too.......................we are all winners that way.

phlux

11-26-2009, 01:12 PM

But my argument is - the game is still bloody good fun in spite of these problems.

I can say without question The M00ps is in agreement on this, I fly with him every week. The items on his list are things we discuss regularly, but at the same time we are talking about it while we are flying and having a blast.

Both camps have a valuable role to play so bitch all you like but play the game too.......................we are all winners that way.

+1

What makes me laugh are the folks that have said on more than one occasion that they are selling their disk, console, car, house, dog, wife or whatever else and are never posting again yet they continue to come on here and rant and rave. I can't understand why people get enjoyment out of telling us we are wrong, or calling people brown nosers, butt kissers, derrier sniffers and other creative names for loving this game. If they are fed up with it fine, understandable, but leave those of us who still enjoy it to play and discuss it in peace.

InfiniteStates

11-26-2009, 01:36 PM

...Sales for this game have been less than desirable and in hindsight it would have been better to aim it for sim enthusiasts who are stuck with consoles and seem to have the most gripes with it.
Sales must have been good enough for 505 to commission a sequel. So they at least made a profit.

First, bitching about the flaws is important in order to put pressure on the release of a patch. Continuing to play the game despite these flaws is also important to flag up that we want this game and that it is worth the investment to release any future patches. Both camps have a valuable role to play so bitch all you like but play the game too.......................we are all winners that way.
It's the people that moan like spoilt children they are throwing away their copy (be it trade-in or taking a drill to it like that video), and/or that claim they are never buying another 505/Gaijin product again that the community doesn't need.

They hurt both this game, when people with sense come to the forums to see if the game has serious problems that render it unplayable before they buy it, and the prospect of future such games. Hence the volatile dichotomy in the community.

SEE

11-26-2009, 01:50 PM

PS peeps will have thier patch soon and be mighty interesting to see how their threads evolve once its released with the option to use PC joysticks. Glad to hear a sequel is planned. I like this game so much might just have to buy a PS3........and no MS gold membership required for MP either so lets bitch about MS for a change, can we have PC joysticks MS otherwise I'm switching, your loss not mine? (there you go....a MS Bitch and not one aimed at 505 or the Devs......makes a change)........:grin:

Deascendent

11-26-2009, 09:07 PM

not accurate, to say the least. The p51 had nearly twice as much wing loading as the spit, and less power-to-weight ratio. Yet it seems like people expect it to be a dogfighter. That's not where p51 got its reputation.

I think there's 2 reasons why the p51 handles badly: 1st, all of its missions involve ground attack, so for simplicity it was made to react like it's carrying ordnance; 2nd, it wouldn't be a popular plane for online fights, even if it was corrected to leave out the ordnance. In dogfight and team battle, using a plane with a high corner speed generally equals fewer kills. Like bf109 which handles good but has to stay fast. And in airfield capture and strike, people would bring bombs and rockets, so the model would be accurate in that case, but p51 is still not popular in those modes.

That's not saying it's fair that other planes are so easy to fly with ordnance. But I don't see people flying around with a bomb under their spitfire much anyhow.

P-51 could do it all, nobody would want to use it online?? The majority of the people who bought this game are American and would love to use an American plane for a change... the Spitfire could slightly outmanuever a p-51 down low, but to say that the p-51 wasn't a dogfighter is the most ignorant statement I've read on here, look at the kills on record, look at it's specs, and read the accounts of ace p51 pilots, dumb American basher.

SgtPappy

11-26-2009, 11:09 PM

The Mustang wasn't invincible like most people think, but it certainly was better than it is here.

Anyone notice how terribly slow the planes are in-game? Spitfire IX could hit 300 mph at sea level (military power) after just 30 seconds with the P-51D and B hitting 300 mph before 30 seconds of straight line acceleration!

Mike Williams, one holds some of the most reliable documents online. Working at the Canadian Air and Space Museum in Canada, I had access to the many archives of information they had.

Both sources suggest the Spitfire's performance it straight level speed is inconsistent in this game.

The P-51B/D could each hit about 350 mph at sea level on MILITARY power, WEP is another story. In this game I find that the P-51D has been degraded to just about 300 and that's with WEP after 40 seconds of acceleration.

Something's up and it needs to be fixed.

kozzm0

11-27-2009, 12:37 AM

but to say that the p-51 wasn't a dogfighter is the most ignorant statement I've read on here, look at the kills on record, look at it's specs, and read the accounts of ace p51 pilots, dumb American basher.

I thought I might get a fanboy flame... the p51 enjoyed heavy numerical superiority from the time it entered service, and it was usually used in the escort role, which is a high-speed running battle, NOT an anchored dogfight.

The p51's specs show its wing loading in the high 30's, whereas the spit's loading is in the low 20's. Its thrust to weight ratio is only 0.18 hp/lb. It was fast because of other factors like low drag.

Since you apparently respect only Americans, here's what Robert Shaw the Navy expert says about low wing loading:

"The low-wing-loaded fighter's greatest performance advantages are
assumed to be good instantaneous turn performance, slow minimum
speed, and a tight sustained turn radius. In some cases this aircraft also
might have a significant sustained-turn-rate advantage. Its weaknesses
include inferior climb and acceleration performance under low-G condi-
tions, and slower "top-end" speed."

Why could the p51 fight German fighters in anchored fights? Because the bf109's wing loading was also in the high 30's, and the fw190 was even higher. The fights were mostly at high speed, where all 3 planes maneuvered best. Though none were great low-speed turners, that didn't matter if they were fighting each other at low speed since they all shared the same disadvantage. The German planes did usually have a higher t/w ratio which was incentive for them to keep the fights faster.

If a p51 were to get itself into a descending, decelerating battle with a spitfire, hurricane, zero or la-5, one on one, it would be at a major disadvantage. It could BnZ them, but that's not a dogfight. 2 p51's vs 1 spitfire, different story. A 2 to 1 advantage is huge for any kind of plane.

also if the success of the pilots is what makes a plane a great dogfighter, you'd have to call the bf109 the greatest dogfighter ever since the top 100 aces of ww2 mostly flew it. It was a good fighter, but not a "dogfighter." Not like a spitfire or a zero.

If the p51 were updated with a "fighting" model, it would handle more like a fw190, though a bit less agile because of the lower t/w. Guess what, the fw190 isn't popular online either.

If there were an "escort" mode where one side has to defend bombers and the other side has to attack them, then people would use the fast planes. But again, that's not a dogfight.

irrelevant

11-27-2009, 03:23 AM

If there were an "escort" mode where one side has to defend bombers and the other side has to attack them, then people would use the fast planes. But again, that's not a dogfight.

I want this!

Signed,

A P-51 and FW-190 fanboy. :P

;)

Deascendent

11-27-2009, 03:59 AM

The P51's high wing loading has alot do with it's high fuel load on takeoffs, at the merge, where p51's would dogfight at, they were more than apt, and also the p51s low drag made up for it's high weight even the fuel used up, there are many accounts of p51s being outnumbered and taking down 4 and 5 planes, just because it wasn't as good as the spitfire down low doesn't mean that it wasn't a dogfighter, depends on the pilots and other factors, but for this game to make it a complete dog and you to defend their reasoning is poor, you should be able to pick it up in this game and do just as well if not better than the g6 and k4.

And the way you wrote your comment you were begging for a "fanboy flame". I hope they fix the speed problems of the p51 in the patch too, barely over 300 after 30 seconds of WEP is pisssss poor. WTF devs? 6 months of beta testing and you can't even get the top speeds right on realistic and sim? What were they beta testing? How good the graphics looked across demographic upbringings? LOL.

It's a good game, obviously I wouldn't be on here with such passion if I didn't like it, so piss off people saying if you critique the game you should leave this forum and sell your game.

The game is a tease and with the minor tweaks and fine adjustments, it could have been twice as good and that's what pisses me off the most, let's hope the patch is sooooooooooooooooooooooooon, before we rip each other apart. I've never said the game was unplayable, so stop cussing saying that shit.

Deascendent

11-27-2009, 04:12 AM

If there were an "escort" mode where one side has to defend bombers and the other side has to attack them, then people would use the fast planes. But again, that's not a dogfight.

Um, what do you call it when the escorters engage the bogeys??

kozzm0

11-27-2009, 04:55 AM

Um, what do you call it when the escorters engage the bogeys??

not to split hairs, but air battles were called "dogfights" when the planes turned repeatedly around each other, like two dogs going after each other's throats. That's still what people usually mean when they say dogfight, after-the-pass ACM using high-g turns.

An intercept-vs-escort engagement isn't usually like that. Since the objective is the bombers on both sides, neither side can use much high-g or they'll lose contact with the objective.

The fw-190 usually tried to avoid p51's entirely, attacking from the front and extending away before they could be engaged.

"Escort/intercept" would be a great addition to patch 2.0. They could even have the bombers flown by AI. I like the dogfight mode but the slow-motion furballs of hurricanes and spitfires gets boring. Defending a bomber from another player would be a greater challenge. It might work in strike mode, but nobody ever plays it.

dazz1971

11-27-2009, 06:59 AM

And to dazz1971: I hope you can find a game out there that does meet your standards.

i did i traded in il2 and ofpdragon rising the two biggest letdowns of the year and brought dragon age origins and it worked great not experianced any probs playing it so far apart from its bloody hard :grin: i hate dwarfs (fantasy type not rl ones) :evil:

xX-SiLeNcE-Xx

11-27-2009, 07:28 AM

i did i traded in il2 and ofpdragon rising the two biggest letdowns of the year and brought dragon age origins and it worked great not experianced any probs playing it so far apart from its bloody hard :grin: i hate dwarfs (fantasy type not rl ones) :evil:

Dragon Age: Origins is amazing. What difficulty are you playing on? I'm using a Dalish elf on regualr and holy hell it's hard...

Riceball

11-27-2009, 12:08 PM

[QUOTE=kozzm0;If there were an "escort" mode where one side has to defend bombers and the other side has to attack them, then people would use the fast planes. But again, that's not a dogfight.[/QUOTE]

Yes. That game mode is really a no-brainer. I thought this was a MP mode in Heroes over Europe.

InfiniteStates

11-27-2009, 02:00 PM

i did i traded in il2 and ofpdragon rising the two biggest letdowns of the year and brought dragon age origins and it worked great not experianced any probs playing it so far apart from its bloody hard :grin: i hate dwarfs (fantasy type not rl ones) :evil:
But to be fair, that is offline only which is much easier for developers to get right. Having said that, I don't know what platform you are on, but Dragon Age is also not without it's problems (on PS3):

Hated
Bugs Aplenty: My time with the PlayStation 3 version of Dragon Age was not without troubles. In fact, my 40 or so hours in the game were plagued with annoying little glitches that, while not breaking the game completely, did hamper the experience. Some special combat animations were way off, with my character performing finishing blows in the air next to the boss I had just downed. Sound glitched frequently, leaving me watching a character's lips move while no words came. On a few occasions the screen would glitch when a character was speaking, showing broken geometry instead of the person talking. I also had issues with monsters dying and taking up to 30 seconds to register as dead, making me have to wait to loot bodies and in some cases delaying the completion of certain quests.

Perhaps the biggest bug I encountered was during the final battle, when I simply could not progress. BioWare suggested it was due to a monster I needed to kill falling through the world. I wound up having to load a previous save in order to complete the game. Luckily the game had autosaved just before the battle started, but it was definitely more frustration than I needed.

Chugga Chugga Frame Rate: Dragon Age is a pretty game, but when it really starts moving, things get ugly. With only a couple of characters on the screen things aren't too bad, leaning towards the high 20's frame rate-wise, but when you're in a big battle or a crowd scene, things dip into the middle to high teens. Mind you I am guestimating here...it's not like I have some magical PS3 FPS tool, but the dip is definitely noticeable.
Source (http://kotaku.com/5395135/dragon-age-origins-review-tripping-the-blight-fantastic).

Sound familiar? People just choose to hate on IL2 (and Dragon Rising) more simply because they had higher expectations, not because the game is any more broken than other games.

(And there's plenty more (http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg/browse_thread/thread/fa09213fb0196a4b) for Dragon Age.)

dazz1971

11-27-2009, 04:02 PM

But to be fair, that is offline only which is much easier for developers to get right. Having said that, I don't know what platform you are on, but Dragon Age is also not without it's problems (on PS3):

Source (http://kotaku.com/5395135/dragon-age-origins-review-tripping-the-blight-fantastic).

Sound familiar? People just choose to hate on IL2 (and Dragon Rising) more simply because they had higher expectations, not because the game is any more broken than other games.

(And there's plenty more (http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg/browse_thread/thread/fa09213fb0196a4b) for Dragon Age.)

hmm well on 360 i havnt experianced any of those problems
as for framerates i cant comment as so far ive only been in small scale battles

not had a single glitch yet

as for the bodys taking ages to register i think i might have the solution i thought the same but then i realised that if you loot the first body that you killed then it lets you loot the next etc i dont know why but it does

and i guess your right about the offline comment

yea i had high expectations for dragon rising for sure i mean me and house even defended the game to death on this forum against an onslaught of cod fanboys witch hurt even more when you finialy get the game and find out that you have been lied to
ie: no freeroam
no hop into a vehicle like you were led to belive yea for sure there were vehicles but they were few and far between apart from hummers and chinese jeeps

multiplayer was good at first but you soon discover the flaws i mean the first game online i played the mission where you are the chinese in the back of the truck i jumped out with my squad and the truck drives off and there hanging in the air was a nice neat double line of rifles floating in the air MATRIX style ???

then there is the multiplayer issue of bullit sponges i unloaded my entire ammo load into an enermy soldier to no avail thats five reloads and full mags to the head i mean the guy would be like swiss cheese lol
so yea i was a bit dissapointed to say the least :-P

anyway ive traded in il2 so it no longer is getting on me nerves waiting for the patch so it dont bother me anymore
but i will still come on here to talk to the great guys ive met and played with i just wont be bashing the game ,devs ,publishers etc anymore i mean there would be no point i dont even own the game anymore

also if the [patch does come and the multiplayer experiance is raised from the dead (360 ver.) i might go and buy a secondhand copy :grin:

just checked that thread you posted and that is for dragon age pc version ?? did that come out before the console versions ?? they might of had time to fix the bugs before releasing on consoles?
anyway im gonna do a review once ive compleated the storyline im doing for house and if there are any bugs clitches etc i will tell you guys it will be a honest review

dazz1971

11-27-2009, 04:05 PM

Dragon Age: Origins is amazing. What difficulty are you playing on? I'm using a Dalish elf on regualr and holy hell it's hard...

im doing the human noble storyline on regular and yea its hard as hell lol :grin:

i agree its amazing :grin:

Araqiel

11-27-2009, 04:14 PM

Selling a game for a third of what you paid for it and then buying a used copy for twice what you sold it for is less annoying than just not playing it until the patch comes? Okay then...

dazz1971

11-27-2009, 04:31 PM

Selling a game for a third of what you paid for it and then buying a used copy for twice what you sold it for is less annoying than just not playing it until the patch comes? Okay then...

like i said i would only buy a copy if the manage to ressurect the now dead 360 online community maybe and i actually got more money for il2 than i payed for it :-P

xX-SiLeNcE-Xx

11-27-2009, 07:19 PM

like i said i would only buy a copy if the manage to ressurect the now dead 360 online community maybe and i actually got more money for il2 than i payed for it :-P

WTF? How? lol

dazz1971

11-27-2009, 07:29 PM

WTF? How? lol

sold it to me cousin for 25 quid he only wanted to play it offline and i told him about how some of the planes are not as good as they supposed to be and all but he said he wanted it and offered me 25 notes he is a ww2 nut so i guess thats why he wanted it so bad :confused:

i only paid 24 quid minus 10% discount from work for it

oh and have you fought the broodmother in deadtrenches yet the fat repulsive bob keeps kicking my butt everytime :mad: lol

xX-SiLeNcE-Xx

11-27-2009, 07:56 PM

sold it to me cousin for 25 quid he only wanted to play it offline and i told him about how some of the planes are not as good as they supposed to be and all but he said he wanted it and offered me 25 notes he is a ww2 nut so i guess thats why he wanted it so bad :confused:

i only paid 24 quid minus 10% discount from work for it

oh and have you fought the broodmother in deadtrenches yet the fat repulsive bob keeps kicking my butt everytime :mad: lol

LOL, I'm heading there now. I saw my friend beat her though, and it looked hard as hell. Try using a Ranger/Mage.

But trust me, that's one of the easier bosses... Have you done "Sacred Ashes" yet?

dazz1971

11-28-2009, 07:53 PM

LOL, I'm heading there now. I saw my friend beat her though, and it looked hard as hell. Try using a Ranger/Mage.

But trust me, that's one of the easier bosses... Have you done "Sacred Ashes" yet?

i just killed the demon and saved the kid mission im on the sacred ashes quest now to save the kids father thats in a coma lol i guess its gonna be hard then lol :grin:

House MD 221B

11-29-2009, 01:40 AM

hmm well on 360 i havnt experianced any of those problems
as for framerates i cant comment as so far ive only been in small scale battles

not had a single glitch yet

as for the bodys taking ages to register i think i might have the solution i thought the same but then i realised that if you loot the first body that you killed then it lets you loot the next etc i dont know why but it does

and i guess your right about the offline comment

yea i had high expectations for dragon rising for sure i mean me and house even defended the game to death on this forum against an onslaught of cod fanboys witch hurt even more when you finialy get the game and find out that you have been lied to
ie: no freeroam
no hop into a vehicle like you were led to belive yea for sure there were vehicles but they were few and far between apart from hummers and chinese jeeps

multiplayer was good at first but you soon discover the flaws i mean the first game online i played the mission where you are the chinese in the back of the truck i jumped out with my squad and the truck drives off and there hanging in the air was a nice neat double line of rifles floating in the air MATRIX style ???

then there is the multiplayer issue of bullit sponges i unloaded my entire ammo load into an enermy soldier to no avail thats five reloads and full mags to the head i mean the guy would be like swiss cheese lol
so yea i was a bit dissapointed to say the least :-P

anyway ive traded in il2 so it no longer is getting on me nerves waiting for the patch so it dont bother me anymore
but i will still come on here to talk to the great guys ive met and played with i just wont be bashing the game ,devs ,publishers etc anymore i mean there would be no point i dont even own the game anymore

also if the [patch does come and the multiplayer experiance is raised from the dead (360 ver.) i might go and buy a secondhand copy :grin:

just checked that thread you posted and that is for dragon age pc version ?? did that come out before the console versions ?? they might of had time to fix the bugs before releasing on consoles?
anyway im gonna do a review once ive compleated the storyline im doing for house and if there are any bugs clitches etc i will tell you guys it will be a honest review

with you 100% Daz, gutting :)

Riceball

11-29-2009, 12:12 PM

Yep. No major bugs in my 360 version.

dazz1971

11-29-2009, 02:04 PM

with you 100% Daz, gutting :)

i thought you might
i know you loved playing the original as much as i did and you defended it as much as me that hurt the most i mean they lied about the game to the very ppl that brought the game on day of release and who had fought for its honor (sort of) and then to find out everything they had promised misled you in trailers and promo vids was lies !!

dont know about you but i felt a complete twonker afterwards :evil:

i dont really understand the whole flashpoint thing at all i mean codies other games are all great ???

House MD 221B

11-29-2009, 03:39 PM

i thought you might
i know you loved playing the original as much as i did and you defended it as much as me that hurt the most i mean they lied about the game to the very ppl that brought the game on day of release and who had fought for its honor (sort of) and then to find out everything they had promised misled you in trailers and promo vids was lies !!

dont know about you but i felt a complete twonker afterwards :evil:

i dont really understand the whole flashpoint thing at all i mean codies other games are all great ???

Precisely, also none of us thought ANYONE could get it THAT wrong! I mean, it's like nobody played the multilayer before the release, even Stevie Wonder would have seen THOSE bugs! Single player was pretty good though, just the multiplater that let it down. Same with IL-2, single player was ok apart from P51 stuff, I LOVED it, it's just again, QA of multilayer was non existent, unless they got Ray Charles to do it.

dazz1971

11-29-2009, 04:02 PM

LMAO I can see it now Ray and Stevie in a room beta testing flashpoint

SW:"hello is it me your shooting at"
RC: "hit the road jack"
:grin::grin::grin:

House MD 221B

11-29-2009, 04:30 PM

LMAO I can see it now Ray and Stevie in a room beta testing flashpoint

SW:"hello is it me your shooting at"
RC: "hit the road jack"
:grin::grin::grin:

haaaaaa!!!! classic :D

InfiniteStates

11-30-2009, 12:42 AM

...QA of multilayer was non existent, unless they got Ray Charles to do it.
It's not QA's job to report design problems, although they can make suggestions (which can obviously be ignored). QA are there to discover bugs, of which there aren't many. All the common issues cited on this forum are design issues, not bugs.

House MD 221B

11-30-2009, 12:56 AM

It's not QA's job to report design problems, although they can make suggestions (which can obviously be ignored). QA are there to discover bugs, of which there aren't many. All the common issues cited on this forum are design issues, not bugs.

incorrect, there are many of both, including the poor multi-player coding. But I'm not going to discuss this with you, because you blindly believe that its amazing, so if you reply to this I shall not indulge you in another boring conversation where you disagree with me. Largely Daz and I were discussing Operation Flashpoint 2 anyway.

InfiniteStates

11-30-2009, 01:14 AM

Shadowcorp

11-30-2009, 09:41 AM

QA work is a slow process especially in multiplayer where the variables many and can be very hard to replicate.
Variables which include
1 upload/download speed of the various players
2 the various combinations of aircraft being used
3 the various set ups of levels e.g weather time of day
4 number of players
5 stability of network/lan being played across (steam, live, psn)

Then there is all the player actions (which in a 3d environment is alot) in conjuction with those list above; that cause a bug to occur, some bugs maybe be one time bugs that cannot be replicated and are in part due to local conditions on the device in question.
Others are repeat bugs and need to be exactly replicate two or three time to confirm their existence the they get sent to the programmers to be fixed

Understand the process before you whine. They are releasing a fix so they have been working on the probelms where other companies wouldn't have bothered

dazz1971

12-01-2009, 09:44 AM

i thought you might
i know you loved playing the original as much as i did and you defended it as much as me that hurt the most i mean they lied about the game to the very ppl that brought the game on day of release and who had fought for its honor (sort of) and then to find out everything they had promised misled you in trailers and promo vids was lies !!

dont know about you but i felt a complete twonker afterwards :evil:

i dont really understand the whole flashpoint thing at all i mean codies other games are all great ???

infinatestates you might want to read this post again cause i am deffo talking about ofdr 100% and so was house in his reply and comment about ray charles maybe you should learn to read first and type second ??

InfiniteStates

12-01-2009, 11:06 AM

infinatestates you might want to read this post again cause i am deffo talking about ofdr 100% and so was house in his reply and comment about ray charles maybe you should learn to read first and type second ??

Same with IL-2, single player was ok apart from P51 stuff, I LOVED it, it's just again, QA of multilayer was non existent, unless they got Ray Charles to do it.
That, to me, quite clearly is a statement of belief that the QA for BoP's multiplayer was non-existent.

I don't deny you were talking about Flashpoint - I even agreed it's buggy as hell. I weighed in on the BoP/QA comment. How about you learn to read (and type)? Also, then see if you fancy shrugging off being called a "boring liar" (which I'm paraphrasing) without having your nose put out of joint.

IiI GUNNY IiI

12-01-2009, 02:44 PM

Yeah put words in my mouth then run away. Real mature. I don't deny BoP has problems at all, I just maintain that the game is playable and fun inspite of them. But learn to differentiate between a bad design decisions and software faults. They are very different.

"Blindly"? Based off many weeks of solid play? OK.

Flashpoint is horrendously buggy though.

EDIT: and don't try to side step your bullshit statement with that lie - what I quoted was very much to do with BoP:

JUST POSTING to remind you YOUR A BLIND BRAIN WASHED JERK..LOL JUST TESSING,,HAVE NOT MESSED WITH YOU THIS WEEK...

Ok Let me say this and "spain it to me Lucy". MULTI player stuff on the other games I play FORZA and COD seem to be ez to change.Scoring Issues,game styles,etc,etc,and stuff connected to on line play.Is the stuff for multi player different from normal play .My question could things like SCORING and how much you get for a kill and what you get for a death.Is that stuff different from the rest of the game and could things have been changed in the server with out of whole update??????