Solution to 'Inspect Airfields' flipping problem

[sloppy_clock]

Right,

This may be a completely unnecessery thread, but I think I've got the flipping problem solved. Just done my fifth time of inspect the airfields in a row to test it out (on sim of course), no problems.

When touching down, just pull the stick back and then move it back to the center and pull it down again rapidly, about 2/3 times a second. Everytime the nose starts to pitch forwards it snaps back.

Let me know your thoughts,

SC

[DigitalMan]

Wow, nice dude. I've been struggling with this as all the other "solutions" never really helped me. My spitfire always flipped. Loaded up the mission, and it worked the first time I tried it! I used the wheelbrake the entire time also. Its a pity we have to resort to rapidly pulling back on the stick to prevent an unrealistic bug. Thanks though.

[Riceball]

Another quick fix would be to use the controller for this mission. :rolleyes:

[sloppy_clock]

Another quick fix would be to use the controller for this mission. :rolleyes:

I uh, do use the controller. All the time. Its all I have.

[Araqiel]

I think the reason this works is because the sticks recognise the force with which you move them as part of the input - ie pulling the stick all the way back sharply will result in greater deflection than if you pulled it back steadily to the same point. This manifests in people holding back the stick the whole time they're slowing on the ground, and by the time the flip speed approaches it's been held back for so long that it's not really giving much elevator deflection anymore.

I haven't got the timing exactly down, but I'm fairly sure if you just sharply pull the stick back once at the correct time - which is most likely right before the flip - you shouldn't need to be tapping it constantly as you slow. Braking in conjunction with this seems to work best if you tap (not hold) the brakes immediately before and/or after the stick deflection.

Hopefully you can pin the technique down, though.

[philabong2]

hi guys, posted this in another thread yesterday i think. Works like a charm evrytime without the yanking of the stick (on the control pad that is)

"finally managed to do that inspection mission (thanks silence!!!)
Ok so the trick to land on sim is to do a soft touch (as any normal landing) with speed between 120 and 150 km/h and throttle at about 30% (faster is possible but can make for quite a bumpy ride and crash).

When both front wheels have touchdown and plane is steady, ease off on all controls (meaning let go of the stick), raise the landing flaps, bring throttle down to minimum (without braking) so the back wheel touches down. Wait for speed to drop to 100 km/h then put the brakes full on and hold them until the plane come to a complete stop. You'll still hit that "bump" at speeds of 40-60 km/h but the plane wont tip over. I've managed to do some quite short landing this way, being able to take off in the same direction on even the shortest runways...rudder being stuck to the left is a killer when taking off again tho so watch out for that

Edit: I usually fly with the aviator settings on the control pad so I have to change it to the wireless control settings whenever i have to land b/c 1st option doesnt offer pecise throttle and braking control"

2nd edit: Using trim on final approach is also a great tool. Trim so the plane flies nose up (2 or 3 deg elevation) and control the rate of descent with throttle.

[sloppy_clock]

hi guys, posted this in another thread yesterday i think. Works like a charm evrytime without the yanking of the stick (on the control pad that is)

"finally managed to do that inspection mission (thanks silence!!!)
Ok so the trick to land on sim is to do a soft touch (as any normal landing) with speed between 120 and 150 km/h and throttle at about 30% (faster is possible but can make for quite a bumpy ride and crash).

When both front wheels have touchdown and plane is steady, ease off on all controls (meaning let go of the stick), raise the landing flaps, bring throttle down to minimum (without braking) so the back wheel touches down. Wait for speed to drop to 100 km/h then put the brakes full on and hold them until the plane come to a complete stop. You'll still hit that "bump" at speeds of 40-60 km/h but the plane wont tip over. I've managed to do some quite short landing this way, being able to take off in the same direction on even the shortest runways...rudder being stuck to the left is a killer when taking off again tho so watch out for that

Edit: I usually fly with the aviator settings on the control pad so I have to change it to the wireless control settings whenever i have to land b/c 1st option doesnt offer pecise throttle and braking control"

2nd edit: Using trim on final approach is also a great tool. Trim so the plane flies nose up (2 or 3 deg elevation) and control the rate of descent with throttle.

very complicated. by simply tapping the the control as I said solves the issue, and you can solidly break too, it makes no difference.

actually, I remember my first ever flying lesson, which was an introductory and the cross-wind was so bad that during landing thats exactly what my instructor did, repeatedly pulled back on the stick.

[philabong2]

very complicated. by simply tapping the the control as I said solves the issue, and you can solidly break too, it makes no difference.

actually, I remember my first ever flying lesson, which was an introductory and the cross-wind was so bad that during landing thats exactly what my instructor did, repeatedly pulled back on the stick.

guess it does look complicated, but really isnt. Only thing to do is wait till speed is down to 100 and brake hard until complete stop, letting go of evrything else. The flaps and throttle control only makes for shorter landings.
Cant tell if its the real, or good, way to land tho cause ive never followed flying lessons, only know it works in the game.

But i'll be sure to remember your tip if someday i hear someone screaming "anybody can land a pane in here" and no one responds! lol

[Riceball]

I uh, do use the controller. All the time. Its all I have.

I assumed you were using a stick. I did'nt know people were having the "flipping" problem with the controllers. I've never had that problem.

[sloppy_clock]

I assumed you were using a stick. I did'nt know people were having the "flipping" problem with the controllers. I've never had that problem.

Thats ok mate; I actually use my xbox360 controller on all plane sim games on my PC too. From experiance it only ever occurs in sim mode, if its never happened to you then your one lucky mofo :grin:

[Ancient Seraph]

Thats ok mate; I actually use my xbox360 controller on all plane sim games on my PC too. From experiance it only ever occurs in sim mode, if its never happened to you then your one lucky mofo :grin:

There's just a couple of planes that have this problem. The La-7 for example is perfectly 'landable'.

[sloppy_clock]

There's just a couple of planes that have this problem. The La-7 for example is perfectly 'landable'.

And the bf-110, actually personally i find the i-16 type 24 is the easiest plane to land, so easy to just plonk down at high speeds (providing the ground is flat).

but then again, this thread was to address the 'inspect the airfields' mission. i dont think many people fly around just landing. i mean, i know a lot of people on this forum do, including me.

what other planes experience the flipping issue?

[Riceball]

Thats ok mate; I actually use my xbox360 controller on all plane sim games on my PC too. From experiance it only ever occurs in sim mode, if its never happened to you then your one lucky mofo :grin:


I bought a stick and have hardly used it. I'm just so used to the controller that it was like learning how to play all over again.

[Robotic Pope]

So far of all the planes ive landed, only the spitfire has the tipping over without brakes glitch. Other planes will tip up at 30mph if you have the brakes applied though. Its like the spitfire's centre of gravity has been set too far forward. I swear if a bird landed on the spinner while the plane was parked, it would end up on its nose.

[Robotic Pope]

very complicated. by simply tapping the the control as I said solves the issue, and you can solidly break too, it makes no difference.

actually, I remember my first ever flying lesson, which was an introductory and the cross-wind was so bad that during landing thats exactly what my instructor did, repeatedly pulled back on the stick.

Thanks Man, tonight I was finaly able to complete that single mission. Pulling the stick back lots of times just before the tipping zone works almost every time. I also found you can hold on the brake as soon as the front wheels touch down, brake though the tipping zone (just about) and to a stop. But you can also make the tipping alot smaller by letting go of the brake a millisecond before the tip starts, so if you stop braking at about 31mph the tipping motion is almost nothing. Such a weird glitch only on the spitfires.