anton are you gonna fix this game or what ?

[dazz1971]

Anton what is happening with the title update has it been released for Q/A weeks ago like you said on the other forum you seem to be hiding in OR did you LIE ??
you and the devs seem so pre occupied with the sequel WELL I WONT BE BUYING ANYTHING YOU GUYS RELEASE UNTILL YOU FIX THE GAME I PAID FOR FIRST !! do you think im gonna fork out my hard earned cash ? when you have allready sold me a game that is broken and then been abandoned it has and these are the facts !

1 half the cockpits are missing
2 most of the planes do not fly like they should
3 if playing on mp i can sit around for 2 hours and maybe find 2/3 games do you seriously think that is fun ?? and what passes as a working game?
4 in mp you are limited to a handfull of planes to use i mean did you think anyone would choose to fly something like the mc202 ???
5 on the copy i brought there was a cool little sticker that claims this game works great with the saitek av8r stick yet you didnt even fix the deadzone issue now the deadzone IS down to your game i know this cause ive used it with a pc game and there is no deadzone

FIX THE GAME YOU HAVE SOLD ME AND OTHERS FIRST BEFORE TRYING TO SELL US MORE DLC OR A SEQUEL !!!!!

AND please answer with facts and truth no more smoke and mirrors plz and no im not waiting for a sarcastic matter of fact arrogant relpy either !!!!

RANT OVER :evil:

[FOZ_1983]

I dont mind waiting a week or two longer for a patch, but some info on it would be nice. Its not like they dont check this forum either. Yesterday the other developer (not anton) was on here snooping around but didnt reply to any thread.

No info then this games dead.

[dazz1971]

im mean what really ticks me off is they seem to have abandoned us
no info on anything anymore nothing nada

now i dont know about you foz but i have to work dam long hours and work sodding hard for my money and then i spend it on a game that is faulty ok so that happens with most games i know but ... they say they have released a patch then they havnt then they might not even bother all the time keeping us loyal paying customers in the dark its just poor really :evil:

i mean look at how many ppl used to be online when this launched and look how many play now ?? i posted weeks ago they should sort out the mp or this game would die and now look what is happening

basicly they choose to ignore everybodys concerns about this game and left it to die in my eyes and then think about ripping us off again with a sequel no sodding way mate !!!

[FOZ_1983]

Tell me about it mate!!

i work full time for a job with crap pay, so the time i do get off i like to spend the little moeny i do get on something worth while. This was supposed to be it.

Few issues yea, but we were assured a patch would deal with them. But...... now screen shots are popping up for it on the PC -WITH GERMAN COCKPITS!! which is a ridiculous kick in the teeth for the guys in this forum. Talk about taking the piss!!

Like i said, i can wait a week or two longer, but i'd just like an update as to whats gonig on!

[stez_ibanez]

Stopped playing this a couple of weeks back as i was fed up with the issues this game has, didnt get the dlc as i thought it was overpriced, if the patch doesnt appear soon then im afraid this game will be getting traded which is a real shame

[dazz1971]

i hear you foz i mean they have told us nothing for weeks now good customer service eh?? :(

[FOZ_1983]

should know by now mate - never trust a russian! ;)

[Anton Yudintsev]

Guys, the Title Update is ready (for last two weeks).
We are waiting for publisher to release it.
You have to understand, that we can't release updates, DLC or whatever ourselves.
We can only make it.
And we've made all of it, on our own money (self-funded).

So we are just waiting as well as you.
Stop blame us, that's unfair - we are the ones, who suffered most, because we are spending our own money to make community happy, and not only getting a dime from that, but also recieving negative feedback.

Let's wait (and blame publisher) together.

[Anton Yudintsev]

i hear you foz i mean they have told us nothing for weeks now good customer service eh?? :(

We are not providing customer service. It's publisher's responsibility, not ours.
Here we _talk_ with community. Getting feedback and providing interesting info,

When we were making updates - I've provided info.
Now, we are waiting for update to be released.
I am really upset with situation as well as you all are - but if you'll start blame and yell at us, that won't help.

[FOZ_1983]

So....

the patch is completed and its with MS/SONY and down to them to get it to us? or the publishers?

Can you not give them a kick up the arse?

[Ancient Seraph]

Guys, the Title Update is ready (for last two weeks).
We are waiting for publisher to release it.
You have to understand, that we can't release updates, DLC or whatever ourselves.
We can only make it.
And we've made all of it, on our own money (self-funded).

So we are just waiting as well as you.
Stop blame us, that's unfair - we are the ones, who suffered most, because we are spending our own money to make community happy, and not only getting a dime from that, but also recieving negative feedback.

Let's wait (and blame publisher) together.
Saying this two weeks ago would've saved this forum a lot of rants..
For me the problem isn't so much that the update isn't here yet, but mainly the lack of info about it. You've never told us for sure the update was underway and it was out of your hands. Thanks for finally doing that.

EDIT: Just for clarity, does this mean it's approved by Sony/MS? Still there? Why are they waiting with releasing it?

[FOZ_1983]

Saying this two weeks ago would've saved this forum a lot of rants..
For me the problem isn't so much that the update isn't here yet, but mainly the lack of info about it. You've never told us for sure the update was underway and it was out of your hands. Thanks for finally doing that.

Thats the same for the majority of us mate :D

[dazz1971]

Guys, the Title Update is ready (for last two weeks).
We are waiting for publisher to release it.
You have to understand, that we can't release updates, DLC or whatever ourselves.
We can only make it.
And we've made all of it, on our own money (self-funded).

So we are just waiting as well as you.
Stop blame us, that's unfair - we are the ones, who suffered most, because we are spending our own money to make community happy, and not only getting a dime from that, but also recieving negative feedback.

Let's wait (and blame publisher) together.

ok so i owe you an apology
I am SORRY
but understand we are waiting and waiting and we didnt hear anything so getting frustrated cant blame us for that ..

ok so this is down to the publishers who are the publishers ?? 1c ? or gaijin ?
and how can we contact them

cant you get in touch with publishers and give them a bitchslap and move them into gear ??

the way i see it is they are forcing YOUR GREAT GAME to die !! NOW IF I WAS YOU GUYS I WOULD TELL THEM YOU WONT DEVLOPE ANYMORE GAMES FOR THEM AS YOU ARE UNHAPPY ABOUT THE WAY THEY have treated your games and customers and you want to go work with another publisher ??

or are you tied to a contract with them to make more games for them only ??

[MorgothNL]

Thnx for the status update anton!

Thats all I needed to keep my interest in this game :).
I'll just keep waiting, and if I get it right and MS approved the update and we're just waiting for the publisher, it could come any day now :).

this update is at least gonna keep me from complaining the next 2 weeks ;). Maybe I'll look for the publishers forum and rant there :P

EDIT: a little bird pointed out that this is the publishers forum :P oops. But...sice they clearly dont read it... I'll just shut up now

[Stanrosquain]

Guys, the Title Update is ready (for last two weeks).
We are waiting for publisher to release it.
You have to understand, that we can't release updates, DLC or whatever ourselves.
We can only make it.
And we've made all of it, on our own money (self-funded).

So we are just waiting as well as you.
Stop blame us, that's unfair - we are the ones, who suffered most, because we are spending our own money to make community happy, and not only getting a dime from that, but also recieving negative feedback.

Let's wait (and blame publisher) together.

Do not pay attention to these people. They think only complain and they do not see the hard work it takes to create a game like this.

Il-2 BoP is a fantastic game and I wait the sequel with impatience ;)

[MorgothNL]

yuk

[Ancient Seraph]

Do not pay attention to these people. They think only complain and they do not see the hard work it takes to create a game like this.

Il-2 BoP is a fantastic game and I wait the sequel with impatience ;)

Myeah.. in any other rant thread I'd agree, but all posters in this thread are respected players who've repeatedly showed their love for this game. We're just annoyed by the time it takes for the update to come through.
A little bit misplaced.

[beaker126]

Thanks for the update. Most of us know it's the publisher's/Sony's/Microsoft's doing on the patch. I just wish someone from THEIR company could be arsed to read some of the posts out here and see what strong desire there still is to play this game.

[dazz1971]

Do not pay attention to these people. They think only complain and they do not see the hard work it takes to create a game like this.

Il-2 BoP is a fantastic game and I wait the sequel with impatience ;)


so you like paying your hard earned cash for a game that is flawed ? and no sign of a fix in sight ??


and before you ram it down my throat i know anton has said the patch is with ms/sony or still at publishers (still unclear on that point )

and if you bothered to read this forum you would see that most of the time we are a good bunch that only talk about the great times we have had with this game etc

[FOZ_1983]

Do not pay attention to these people. They think only complain and they do not see the hard work it takes to create a game like this.

Il-2 BoP is a fantastic game and I wait the sequel with impatience ;)

Get your tongue out of their arse!! :P

nobody likes a brown noser

[LostInSpace]

Do not pay attention to these people. They think only complain and they do not see the hard work it takes to create a game like this.

Il-2 BoP is a fantastic game and I wait the sequel with impatience ;)

So because we express concerns about a game that we are all still playing, despite several issues, that means that we don't know how much hard work went into the production of this game?

[Anton Yudintsev]

So....

the patch is completed and its with MS/SONY and down to them to get it to us? or the publishers?

Don't know.
I think, it is still in publisher.


Can you not give them a kick up the arse?

Can't :(
We are developer, and after release we don't have any powers upon 505 or 1C.

[Anton Yudintsev]

Saying this two weeks ago would've saved this forum a lot of rants..
For me the problem isn't so much that the update isn't here yet, but mainly the lack of info about it. You've never told us for sure the update was underway and it was out of your hands. Thanks for finally doing that.


I prefer to make some clear news.
Hate saying something like 'I don't know when the update will be out', it is rather pathetic.
But complaining voices became higher, so I had to do it.

[FOZ_1983]

Ok no worries anton, so we can establish that you guys have done al lyou can and its now with the publishers or MS/SONY

guess all we can do is wait. Do is not anger you though to know you have sorted a patch out yet the guys at the other end are taking their time with it?

Cheers for the update anyway, we all really appreciate it.

On a side note anton -

so you know from memory (if not no worries) exactly what planes have been modified or changed?

[Doktorwzzerd]

I prefer to make some clear news.
Hate saying something like 'I don't know when the update will be out', it is rather pathetic.
But complaining voices became higher, so I had to do it.

Well thanks for saying something, when time goes by and players don't see promised things materialize, we start to smell vaporware. Remember the SNES-CD? At least now we know for sure there are wheels in motion. And thanks for putting your own money into the patch, we appreciate it.

[Ancient Seraph]

I prefer to make some clear news.
Hate saying something like 'I don't know when the update will be out', it is rather pathetic.
But complaining voices became higher, so I had to do it.

Nothing pathetic about it, since you can't do anything about it. You can't imagine what kind of boost it is to hear something, even if it's just a 'don't know' :D.

[LostInSpace]

Guys, the Title Update is ready (for last two weeks).
We are waiting for publisher to release it.
You have to understand, that we can't release updates, DLC or whatever ourselves.
We can only make it.
And we've made all of it, on our own money (self-funded).

So we are just waiting as well as you.
Stop blame us, that's unfair - we are the ones, who suffered most, because we are spending our own money to make community happy, and not only getting a dime from that, but also receiving negative feedback.

Let's wait (and blame publisher) together.


Thanks for the update Anton and I appreciate your feedback and hardwork! :)

But....

Surely you knew this game would need a patch for whatever reason. So to complain that you aren't receiveing any compensation is really between you and the publisher and should not be used as any type of an excuse to the consumer.

[dreadnaught_]

I've been a long-time lurker on these boards, and like the rest of us, have suffered silenty and tried to like this game -- mostly on account of my love of WWII aviation and associated emotional investment. I have to say something now ...

While I appreciate Anton's much needed update, I am very offended and put-off by his tone. I want to know if anybody else feels similarly.

"Stop blame us, that's unfair - we are the ones, who suffered most, because we are spending our own money to make community happy, and not only getting a dime from that, but also recieving negative feedback."

So, we are supposed to feel sorry for you and your team when it was your decision to release a game that shouldn't have even escaped Q/A? I'm not talking about the performance tweaks to match aircraft performance to historical reality; I'm talking about the game-breaking deadzone issues that make flying with a stick an exercise in frustration and masochism.

I -- for the life of me -- cannot understand how a game that ADVERTISED flight stick support could have come out of the development cycle in this state. What rank amateurism.

Save the tears about your damn money ... and all the "negative feedback" you've gotten. You deserve it -- not for the delay in the update but for the state of the product at release.

The only reasons people still play this game is:

1) It is the only WWII simulator on the market. Heroes over Europe doesn't count.

2) There are people out there -- like myself -- who love aviation and WWII planes enough to put up with the fatal flaws in execution in an otherwise visually stunning game.

I tried to like this game ... for well over a flipping month. But there are just too many good games out now and coming out in the next few months for anybody to put themselves through this garbage -- especially while waiting for a patch to put the game in release condition.

Wait till MW2 comes out, Anton, and see how many people are bothering you about this game ...

You guys really dropped the ball on this one -- won the race outright but fell flat on your face right in front of the finish line.

Sorry to vent, but that "our own money" crap-- combined with the fact that we got DLC (which I bought) before the game-fixing update -- set me off.

Heck of a first post ... I'm sorry.

[Anton Yudintsev]

Guys, if this would be game published by us - you would have Title update week ago.
And cockpit DLC in a next few weeks also. And if it would be successfull DLC - another DLC would be in development already.

However, we really can't do anything to make it happen.
I am pretty sure, that for a sequel, we'll try make the deal clear about our right to provide updates and DLC.
I am really sorry :(

[caphead]

good for you dreadnaught!!

I totally agree and could not explain it any better. They gotta understand $49.99 for game, $25 for Thrustmaster 3in1 programable pad, $30 for a saitek AV8R-3, and now $85 for a saitek x52 (cause there was mention about it being "the stick" for ps3 when updated). Thats like almost $200 i spent to try and get this game playable! so dont cry to me about money, when its profitable still for you guys!

so now you will understand why such harshness.

ps: add $10 to that because I am so fed up that i purchased 1946 from Steam for my PC just to play again and to get use out of my stick!

I hope it worth it after the update.

[LostInSpace]

Heck of a first post ... I'm sorry.

I do appreciate your passion dreadnaught and I do agree with most of your views but let's try to keep things in context without pissing off Anton. This game is a first and while it has flaws it certainly has done enough right to keep a lot of us playing.

I know I'll still play BOP after COD MW2 comes out because I'm a flight sim dork along with most of us here.

[FOZ_1983]

I do appreciate your passion dreadnaught and I do agree with most of your views but let's try to keep things in context without pissing off Anton. This game is a first and while it has flaws it certainly has done enough right to keep a lot of us playing.

I know I'll still play BOP after COD MW2 comes out because I'm a flight sim dork along with most of us here.

Im the same.

I will enjoy MW2 alot and play it religiously, but it doesnt offer you the chance to admire the english countryside from 20000ft in a hurricane :D so i'll be playing this every once in a while.

Just hope the online community stays strong.

[Anton Yudintsev]

I've been a long-time lurker on these boards, and like the rest of us, have suffered silenty and tried to like this game -- mostly on account of my love of WWII aviation and associated emotional investment. I have to say something now ...

While I appreciate Anton's much needed update, I am very offended and put-off by his tone. I want to know if anybody else feels similarly.

Sorry for that.


"Stop blame us, that's unfair - we are the ones, who suffered most, because we are spending our own money to make community happy, and not only getting a dime from that, but also recieving negative feedback."

So, we are supposed to feel sorry for you and your team when it was your decision to release a game that shouldn't have even escaped Q/A?

I don't agree that the game shouldn't have even escaped QA.
The game has passed QA. It has been tested for half a year. It has passed MS final approval from first attempt, if it tells you a thing.

Update is mostly update, than patch.
It is primarily adding a lot to the game, not fixing bugs.

I'm not talking about the performance tweaks to match aircraft performance to historical reality; I'm talking about the game-breaking deadzone issues that make flying with a stick an exercise in frustration and masochism.

On X360 - it is Microsoft limitation. We can't adjust deadzones at all.
On PS3 - we've made it similair, to provide similair experience for all users.
It could be wrong decision, but it is reasonable.
We never told anyone, that deadzones will be tweakable on PS3 - so no false promises.

Save the tears about your damn money ... and all the "negative feedback" you've gotten. You deserve it

OK, we deserve it.
Sorry for trying to make game better after release - that's surely only our fault.
But we are going to continue this behaviour. Sorry again.



Sorry to vent, but that "our own money" crap-- combined with the fact that we got DLC (which I bought) before the game-fixing update -- set me off.


We are NOT releasing DLC or update.
We are making it.
And, we are making update on our own money for a good reason - we want to support community, to maintain their loyalty. So it is not you would owe us something, if it would be released.
But publisher is not releasing it - which makes making update useless waste of money, which upsets me.

[dreadnaught_]

Anton:

MY tone was perhaps too aggressive and angry in the previous post. It is not my purpose to antagonize you.

You have shown great moral courage in answering to what has become an increasingly impatient and hostile audience here. You are taking a whipping for it and that is not easy, but you are doing the right thing.

Thank you for addressing the issues I brought up in my post directly.

[caphead]

.
But publisher is not releasing it - which makes making update useless waste of money, which upsets me.

So its not even at MS or Sony yet? Its still in publishers hands? :eek:

[FOZ_1983]

But publisher is not releasing it - which makes making update useless waste of money, which upsets me.

Uh Oh, that doesnt sound to good :(

Anton, is their anyway we as the buyer can get onto the publisher? as it figures, you wasted money making patch etc, we as the buyer wasted money on a game that needs a patch, so im pretty sure we can take them to the cleaners lol. What, dya say!! :P

[dazz1971]

But publisher is not releasing it - which makes making update useless waste of money, which upsets me.

so what are you saying anton ?? that the update isnt getting released ??


OK RIGHT PPL LETS CUT THE CRAP HERE THIS THREAD WASNT STARTED TO BASH ANTON AND CREW BUT TO PROVOKE A RESPONCE ABOUT THE UPDATE !!!

SO LET GETS DOWN TO FACTS ANTON ???

IS THE UPDATE GETTING RELEASED LIKE YOU SAID IN AN PREVIOUS POST OR ARE THE PUBLISHERS HOLDING THE UPDATE BACK FOR WHAT EVER REASON ????

STRAIGHT ANSWERS PLEASE !!:evil:

[mattmanB182]

I think some are to hard on the devs. They are not exactly a large operation. I think they are doing their best under the circumstances.

I am very disapointed with the terrible performance of the 190. Also with the UFO performance of the LA-7....but this is still the best flight game on the 360.

I am very tired of losing kills, but I have a feeling that issue will be resolved soon.

Anton, I think you need a better publisher. :)

Still a great game, and hey, nothing is perfect.

[Anton Yudintsev]

So its not even at MS or Sony yet? Its still in publishers hands? :eek:

Don't know - for now.
But it was in publisher hands for at least 10 previous days.

[FOZ_1983]

your publisher is screwing you over anton, dont stand for it. Your the one who loses out here (and us).

Threaten them.

I know a guy who knows a guy who know a girl who knows a guy who knows a chick with a dick who slept with a guy who has kids with this girl who's brothers mate knows a guy who's uncle is in M15 and trained james bond with gadgets and stuff...


want me to get him to have a word?

:P

[dreadnaught_]

On X360 - it is Microsoft limitation. We can't adjust deadzones at all.
On PS3 - we've made it similair, to provide similair experience for all users.
It could be wrong decision, but it is reasonable.
We never told anyone, that deadzones will be tweakable on PS3 - so no false promises.


Anton:

Thanks again for your response.

There was one point I was hoping you could clarify however.

At the yuPlay forum (http://forum.yuplay.com/index.php?showtopic=13), the following was posted under your name:

What will be in title update:

This list will be updated, when I'll get more information.

Common for all platforms:

Controls remapping (custom layout).
Changed MP kills scoring system. Suicide will always reduce score; crash (or bailout) soon (one minute) after signifficant damage will score to shooter; crash (or bailout) after 12 seconds after being hit even lightly will score to shooter.
Brakes with flightstick fix.
(For Arcade& realistic) RS will look around with 'half pressed' target camera trigger.
More effective flak.
Blackouts and redouts on realistic/simulation back again.


PlayStation3 only:

Screen-tearing fixes.
PC flightstick support (with custom layouts).
Flightstick deadzone customization.
USB mouse support (for mouse look)

As a PS3 user myself, I was under the impression, based upon the above post, that deadzones COULD be tweaked after the update. In your post today, are you saying that this is not the case?

I may have misread your post, but you could you this clear?

Thanks,
dreadnaught_

[Anton Yudintsev]

SO LET GETS DOWN TO FACTS ANTON ???

IS THE UPDATE GETTING RELEASED LIKE YOU SAID IN AN PREVIOUS POST OR ARE THE PUBLISHERS HOLDING THE UPDATE BACK FOR WHAT EVER REASON ????

STRAIGHT ANSWERS PLEASE !!:evil:

Stop caps, please.
It is hard to read.
Update is ready, and was sent to publisher.
Publisher found some VERY rare (for example, nobody posted it here) 'bugs' there, which were also present in release version (and they agree to that), and probably are on Sony's side.
They agreed, that update is not spoiling anything (make things only better).
After that they've stopped answer emails.
So, I don't know exactly where it is now - in Sony or not.
I am only sure, that it was done and passed QA.

I know, that's not much - that's why I wasn't posting here.
And, please, DONT WRITE IN CAPS!

[FOZ_1983]

Anton if its out of your hands then relax, go get a beer! sleep with some lose women, play xbox (not ps3), do whatever. Just chill :D

leave the publishers to us....

guys!!! to the mystery machine we got a case to solve :P

[Anton Yudintsev]

As a PS3 user myself, I was under the impression, based upon the above post, that deadzones COULD be tweaked after the update. In your post today, are you saying that this is not the case?

Yes, after update you'll be able to do it.
That's mostly because we are allowing a wide set of PC flight sticks now, so we have to make deadzone adjusting, it is impossible to have presetes to all these peripherial devices.

The reason why it wasn't done in release, is because we supported only three sticks, and could make presets for them. And because X360 users can't have one.

[Irishmandkg]

Ok I wasn't going to say anything, but for me I could have cared less about a patch. I have been enjoying this game, and it is one of the best in my ps3 collection. I don't know about any of you but this game sure as hell beats any other flying game on consoles(heroes over europe anyone?). I for one play this game only for its sp, even though I occasionally get online every once and a while. I play this game, but its not the only game I play to pass my time. I enjoy it and a patch would be appreciated but for me its no big deal. I can wait for it. So stop all your complaints and be glad that a patch and some DLC are already coming out. You could be part of the SOCOM community, now thats a community that has been left behind by its devs.

[dazz1971]

Anton if its out of your hands then relax, go get a beer! sleep with some lose women, play xbox (not ps3), do whatever. Just chill :D

leave the publishers to us....

guys!!! to the mystery machine we got a case to solve :P

So who are the publishers then ?
any ideas foz ic or gajiin or 505 games ???
once we know we can go bitchslap someone :grin:

[Ancient Seraph]

So who are the publishers then ?
any ideas foz ic or gajiin or 505 games ???
once we know we can go bitchslap someone :grin:

1C is the publisher. Anton & Crew are with Gaijin, as far as I know.

[FOZ_1983]

So who are the publishers then ?
any ideas foz ic or gajiin or 505 games ???
once we know we can go bitchslap someone :grin:

As far as im aware mate -

Its published by 505games under license from 1C company.

[Bourin01]

hi,

There is somthing I still don't understand....

"official 1C Company forum" (If I read clairly lol) should be THE place to complaine about "publishing" problems.

So the question is : Why 1C don't answer on their own forum? And why the devs have to be in front line for somthing they can't solve ?

Ps: I also would like to know if the Force feedback sticks will be support? It so nice to "feel the plane" in your hand ;)

[Anton Yudintsev]

Ps: [Anton] said : "We never told anyone, that deadzones will be tweakable on PS3 - so no false promises."
You told everyone (http://forum.yuplay.com/index.php?showtopic=13) :


You kidding me or what?
The point was - we never told that PRIOR release.
So it is not _fixing_, it is adding something (which makes sense with peripherial support).

So how the hell adding peripherial support and customizable controls - becomes our fault like 'the should not be out of QA'?
You know, it annoys me - anytime when you are adding something there will be someone, who will tell that it was clear for everyone from the beginning of times that it should be in the game, so it is developer's obligation to fix it at last.
I - personally - know no other games with PC-peripherial support or even deadzone tweaking.

[mattmanB182]

You kidding me or what?
The point was - we never told that PRIOR release.
So it is not _fixing_, it is adding something (which makes sense with peripherial support).

So how the hell adding peripherial support and customizable controls - becomes our fault like 'the should not be out of QA'?
You know, it annoys me - anytime when you are adding something there will be someone, who will tell that it was clear for everyone from the beginning of times that it should be in the game, so it is developer's obligation to fix it at last.
I - personally - know no other games with PC-peripherial support or even deadzone tweaking.

Now I see why you dont come on here much. Its like your a whitness at a murder trial.

Thanks for coming on here at all!

Lighten up people, they are doing their best. Jeeze.

[guiltyspark]

good to hear this anton , thanks for the info

Are there any final changes in the update that we dont know about yet?

[Ancient Seraph]

As far as im aware mate -

Its published by 505games under license from 1C company.

Taken from 505 website:

IL2 Sturmovik: Birds Of Prey will be published by 505 Games in collaboration with 1C Company on 4th September 2009 for Xbox 360, PS3, DS and PSP.
I don't get the whole publishing business.. :confused:.

P.S. +1 for Anton

[dazz1971]

Anton chill dude we now know the true situation and ppl like him will always find something to gripe about

i apologise for starting a public whipping of you and your crew

so ignore anymore bashing post and go get a beer or vodka and take it easy for a bit :grin:

but can you answer me 1 question WHO did you send the update too ??
1c 505 games or gajiin ???

[Bourin01]

Sorry I had a lag off 10 replies....

And I really thx you for adding so much things (The PC sticks support will place BOP one something never seen on consoles)

Ps: I also would like to know if the Force feedback sticks will be support? It so nice to "feel the plane" in your hand

[guiltyspark]

i didnt even know updates/patches went to the publisher

I thought it just goes streight to the consoles company (ms/Sony) for certification

[FOZ_1983]

Anton chill dude we now know the true situation and ppl like him will always find something to gripe about

i apologise for starting a public whipping of you and your crew

so ignore anymore bashing post and go get a beer or vodka and take it easy for a bit :grin:

but can you answer me 1 question WHO did you send the update too ??
1c 505 games or gajiin ???


dazz mate, gaijin is who anton works for (i think) they make the patch etc, they then send it to 505 games who are the publishers :D

and both the mentioned are working for 1C (i think)

either way mate, its out of gaijins hands (i think)



time to play the waiting game now :(

[dazz1971]

dazz mate, gaijin is who anton works for (i think) they make the patch etc, they then send it to 505 games who are the publishers :D

and both the mentioned are working for 1C (i think)

either way mate, its out of gaijins hands (i think)



time to play the waiting game now :(

not for me mate im fireing up the email gnome as we speak :-P

someone is due a bitch slap and im not resting till the guilty party has been served :evil:

[trk29]

dazz mate, gaijin is who anton works for (i think) they make the patch etc, they then send it to 505 games who are the publishers :D

and both the mentioned are working for 1C (i think)

either way mate, its out of gaijins hands (i think)



time to play the waiting game now :(

Anton is CEO of Gaijin.
Gaijin is the developer of the game.


Does nobody read the manual or look at the credits?

[Ancient Seraph]

Anton is CEO of Gaijin.
Gaijin is the developer of the game.


Does nobody read the manual or look at the credits?

Was that a serious question.. :P
:oops::o

[FOZ_1983]

Anton is CEO of Gaijin.
Gaijin is the developer of the game.


Does nobody read the manual or look at the credits?


Does nodoby read the posts above them?

[Crispus222]

Patch or no patch, I'm glad you guys made such an awesome game! It's the game I keep coming back to! Patch or no patch, thanks for all the info! You didn't need to and you haven't deserved any of the insults or anything from all the people posting on here. Keep up the great work and thanks for such a fun game!

[dazz1971]

ok so we now know it is not down to gajiin or anton and his crew its down to the publishers

so we have now narrowed it down to either 1c or 505 games im trawling the net for the email of the ceo of both companys my thinking is if i bitchslap both of them then at least i know i got the right person lol :grin:


ok so when i get the email addys im stuck on what to put in the email as im not that good with words so im asking you guys for help in how i should approch them and word it maybe if we all email the same persons then they cant ignore all of us and we might finially get an answer :grin:

update ive found the managing directors email and the international publishing managers email of 1c publishing
now for 505 games

[trk29]

Was that a serious question.. :P
:oops::o

Yeah it was serious, there has been statements on here about Oleg or any part of his team that made the original not having any influence on the game, and in the manual it lists them.

[Ancient Seraph]

ok so we now know it is not down to gajiin or anton and his crew its down to the publishers
(...)
No offense.. but I think most of us knew that already :P.

[trk29]

Does nodoby read the posts above them?

Yeah I read your post I quoted you. You were saying (i think) and I was just clarifying what is role is before rumors start flying that he works for 1C or something. It was not a personal attack against you.

geez the tension.

[FOZ_1983]

Yeah I read your post I quoted you. You were saying (i think) and I was just clarifying what is role is before rumors start flying that he works for 1C or something. It was not a personal attack against you.

geez the tension.

Ah right, fair play. Sorry just assumed you were having a dig or something even though i'd said the same thing, but wasnt 100% sure and didnt wan to tell everyone one thnig and find out i was wrong.


Its all good :D

[dazz1971]

No offense.. but I think most of us knew that already :P.


and your point is ?

[Anton Yudintsev]

but can you answer me 1 question WHO did you send the update too ??

International publisher of the game is 505 games - they are responsible for updates/DLC approvment process.
1C is Eastern Europe publisher (and IP holder), so they are mainly distributing boxes in Eastern Europe.

[Anton Yudintsev]

Ps: I also would like to know if the Force feedback sticks will be support? It so nice to "feel the plane" in your hand

Not this time.
It is much harder to make fully customizable FF devices, than USB input devices.
And making presets for all FF peripherial is a huge work.

[dazz1971]

International publisher of the game is 505 games - they are responsible for updates/DLC approvment process.
1C is Eastern Europe publisher (and IP holder), so they are mainly distributing boxes in Eastern Europe.

thank you anton :grin:

so i now know who to go vent some frustration on if i can find an email addy for ian Howe the exec :-P

[FOZ_1983]

like looking for a needle in a stack of needles mate.

You know whats gonig to happen lol, IF you get a reply it will be -

dear sir,

We understand your concern regarding the promised, as of yet released patch for IL2:BoP but let me assure you that we will deliver the patch just as soon as gaijin gives it to us, as of yet its not arrived and we can only assume its still with them being updated and worked on to give you the best possible experience when you finally get t. All we can ask is you be patient and give gaijin a chance to send it to us.

Yours sincerely -

Mr A.Loadof.Bullshit


You know they wont take responsibility mate, they will just give you some bullshit excuse lol. I wouldnt bother

[dazz1971]

like looking for a needle in a stack of needles mate.

You know whats gonig to happen lol, IF you get a reply it will be -

dear sir,

We understand your concern regarding the promised, as of yet released patch for IL2:BoP but let me assure you that we will deliver the patch just as soon as gaijin gives it to us, as of yet its not arrived and we can only assume its still with them being updated and worked on to give you the best possible experience when you finally get t. All we can ask is you be patient and give gaijin a chance to send it to us.

Yours sincerely -

Mr A.Loadof.Bullshit


You know they wont take responsibility mate, they will just give you some bullshit excuse lol. I wouldnt bother

ahh proly true mate but i got to give it a shot lol
and if they do spin that bull then i can quote anton and say err no they have sent it you lol

anyway im so frustrated that it has took all this arguing and b******t to get to the bottom of it im not giving in now mate im like my staffie stubborn at times lol

dogs with bones and all that :-P

[Bourin01]

Not this time.
It is much harder to make fully customizable FF devices, than USB input devices.
And making presets for all FF peripherial is a huge work.

thx for the info

I hope the upgrade will come soon :-P
The game will be really great with it :rolleyes:

[mattd27]

Wow, it's taken me at least 10 minutes to read through this whole thread. Much better drama than anything on the TV right now!:D

But I guess in the end we're still stuck waiting on the patch, I haven't played the game in a couple of weeks, but I'm still not giving up on it. Hopefully once the patch does get here it will make everything worthwhile. :)

[dazz1971]

ok update
email sent to peter king managing director of 1c publishing but he is away till the 28th so i forwarded it to darryl still the international publishing director

now lets see what they have to say on the matter :)

oh and 505 games seem to hide all there email addresses from the general public :evil:

[fuzzychickens]

LOL, the publisher is screwing us over - oh well, I guess that's business.

Bastards.

[sloppy_clock]

never fear, 505 contact is here:

Main office contact at 505 UK HQ:

Mark Allen
+44 (0)1908 607772
mallen@505games.co.uk

I dont actually live far from their offices. Might drop in at some point.

Above number should be direct to Mark but might put you through to switch board. I'm gonna call em tomorrow morning.

[flynlion]

So I guess it's fair to assume that the update, when (if ?) it does arrive, will NOT include dead zone tweaking for flightsticks on the 360? That kinda bites. I understand that this is the fault of MS, but it still kinda bites.

Still, it's a great game even without the update, and hopefully we'll get more "realistic" console flight games in the future.

[Anton Yudintsev]

So I guess it's fair to assume that the update, when (if ?) it does arrive, will NOT include dead zone tweaking for flightsticks on the 360? That kinda bites. I understand that this is the fault of MS, but it still kinda bites.

It's violation of TCRs, to have tweakable deadzone on X360.

[Flyboy69]

Will the german cockpits be in this update or is it just the ones listed.

[flynlion]

It's violation of TCRs, to have tweakable deadzone on X360.

Yeah, that's kinda what I thought :( Thanks for the info Anton.

[dazz1971]

never fear, 505 contact is here:

Main office contact at 505 UK HQ:

Mark Allen
+44 (0)1908 607772
mallen@505games.co.uk

I dont actually live far from their offices. Might drop in at some point.

Above number should be direct to Mark but might put you through to switch board. I'm gonna call em tomorrow morning.


nice one sloppy i owe ya one :grin:

[Leweegibo]

Guys seriously, come on.
Where else do you have devs activly contributing to a forum, and truly listening to suggestions, this is my first experience and I think it is great.
Anton has explained eveythibg he can it would seem and yet people in this thread a repeating questions over and over and being agressive

READ what he has said and bloody relax!

[BigPickle]

It's violation of TCRs, to have tweakable deadzone on X360.

Why are MS such a bunch of c@nts, they are so anal that its unbelievable, Sony will give the right to use MS joysticks and web browsers with its product, but the bloody company who designed and made those peripherals in the first place wont allow them on the official MS product, just in an effort to make you by a pc too.

Wankers

Oh yeah great news about the Update Anton, hang in there buddy.

[BigPickle]

Oh yeah, I got a Q Anton.
Is it possible to release DLC through a different company of your choice instead?

[xNikex]

Yeah I read your post I quoted you. You were saying (i think) and I was just clarifying what his role is before rumors start flying that he works for 1C or something. It was not a personal attack against you.

geez the tension.

Looks like I came back just in time.:-P

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

Why are MS such a bunch of c@nts, they are so anal that its unbelievable, Sony will give the right to use MS joysticks and web browsers with its product, but the bloody company who designed and made those peripherals in the first place wont allow them on the official MS product, just in an effort to make you by a pc too.

Wankers

Oh yeah great news about the Update Anton, hang in there buddy.

Yea, Micro$oft are just a bunch of money grabbing douchebags. That's why I bought a PS3 :grin: lol

[daryld12]

Let's not get on Antons case or the other developers. It looks like they've held up their end of deal. It's not their fault. It's the publishers fault. I, for one, will still support this fine group of developers because at least they listen and respond besides making great flight sims. That's more than I can say for a lot of companies.

.......Keep on flying Anton...you all are doing a great job.

[IiI GUNNY IiI]

we should all go to the main xbox forum.GoTo Il-2 game area and post our disapproval there..!!!!

[Anton Yudintsev]

Oh yeah, I got a Q Anton.
Is it possible to release DLC through a different company of your choice instead?

No.
Only publisher of the game releases DLC/Updates to it as well as defines pricing policy.

[Desode]

we should all go to the main xbox forum.GoTo Il-2 game area and post our disapproval there..!!!!

You should do some digging around and find a phone number and call the publiser and Xboxlive.
If you can pull off say,,,,, 15 calls a day , per person, to both,,,,, it may make a difference. I watched ps2 battlefield(modern combat) fans, clog EA's phone lines so bad that EA patched a 4 year old game just for those fans ! They fixed all the glitches and everything. It was the most amazing case of NAGGING by fans of a game,, that I have ever seen in 30 years of gaming !
Its something I will never forget Ever.


@Anton,, You are a very understanding person. You have stated this same fact, time and time again on this forum, Yet you still took the time to answer this thread.
I salute you Sir !
SINCERLY, DESODE

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

You should do some digging around and find a phone number and call the publiser and Xboxlive.
If you can pull off say,,,,, 15 calls a day , per person, to both,,,,, it may make a difference. I watched ps2 battlefield(modern combat) fans, clog EA's phone lines so bad that EA patched a 4 year old game just for those fans ! They fixed all the glitches and everything. It was the most amazing case of NAGGING by fans of a game,, that I have ever seen in 30 years of gaming !
Its something I will never forget Ever.


@Anton,, You are a very understanding person. You have stated this same fact, time and time again on this forum, Yet you still took the time to answer this thread.
I salute you Sir !
SINCERLY, DESODE

I'm down to call these guys like 100 times a day no joke. :grin:

[King Jareth]

Thanks for all the posts Anton. Good to hear from you about this, I know you've got to maintain a relationship with the publishers and you dont want to be seen playing the blame game so I understand why you havent said this a week ago.

I've seen this type of situation before on the more "cult" games where the creators make a load of really cool DLC and updates then pass it to the publishers and....nothing.
If this was on PC it'd be out the door in no time as it costs next to nothing to implement but its not its a console title and they're done a little different.
Updates/patches and DLC for console games cost money, not just to make (which Gaigin have just sucked up off their own bat) but also to release onto the consoles (both, plural not just "M$". Oh how I hate that BTW), and thats paid for by the publisher.
I'd love more content and I know you guys would too but can you imagine the conversation with the bean counters trying to get this stuff released once the games out? 505/1C are compaies after all and not big ones at that so they need to make money to survive. Harsh but true.
My point is (I have one?) that its a small community here and, realistically speaking, few people will benefit from this and the publishers will take that into account when they decide if they want to write a big cheque to Sony & Microsoft to get the ball rolling on this. We may never see it.

Thanks for putting the effort in either way Anton, its much appreciated from us BoP players.

[philabong2]

You should do some digging around and find a phone number and call the publiser and Xboxlive.
If you can pull off say,,,,, 15 calls a day , per person, to both,,,,, it may make a difference. I watched ps2 battlefield(modern combat) fans, clog EA's phone lines so bad that EA patched a 4 year old game just for those fans ! They fixed all the glitches and everything. It was the most amazing case of NAGGING by fans of a game,, that I have ever seen in 30 years of gaming !
Its something I will never forget Ever.


@Anton,, You are a very understanding person. You have stated this same fact, time and time again on this forum, Yet you still took the time to answer this thread.
I salute you Sir !
SINCERLY, DESODE

Count me in too.
Got a lot of time on my hands these days so I could b on their a$$es 24/7 lol... just need a phone number here (i'll try n go look for that right away). But you sir are absolutly right. More often than not, ppl choose the statu quo and dont do anything thinking a phone call or email (even good old fashion mail) prob wont change things. But clogging phones lines or mailbox of a company/org/political partie/... does work (much better than spewing venom in forums anyways) as its much harder to ignore and can get aggravating at some point, when volume is big enough. And u def dont need 1000 ppl to b annoying, well not when i'm around anyways ;)

I think a good habit evryone in here should try: evrytime your in mp game lobby waiting, just pick up the phone and give'em a quick call, nothing offensive... something along the lines of "Hi guys its me again, just wanted to know if this patch is coming out already... Ok then thanks. Have a nice day!"... instead of staring in empty space waiting for players to join (i tend to do that alot lol) or jumping in the forum right away dissing at the poor dev who, at this point cannot do anything about the issue, and is only showing up with good intentions here.

Anyways time 2 do something here ppl cause if this patch is never relased, it would make for a game with huge potential remaining an average attemp at a flight sim. Would really b a shame imo.

[philabong2]

ok here's what i got so far.
505 N.A. oficces r located in cali, so i prob wont b callin them too often cause i'll get one hell of a phone bill. But i'll email and prob even mail 'em as much as i can.

-505 Games (US), Inc.
5008 Chesebro Road, Agoura Hills, CA 91301

- 818 540-3000

-support@505games.com

In Europe:
- C/O Preiskel & Co LLP, 5 Fleet Place, London, EC4M 7RD

-here's also a link to the contact us section:
http://505games.co.uk/Contact.aspx

-plus the contact provided earlier by sloppy:
never fear, 505 contact is here:

Main office contact at 505 UK HQ:

Mark Allen
+44 (0)1908 607772
mallen@505games.co.uk

I dont actually live far from their offices. Might drop in at some point.

Above number should be direct to Mark but might put you through to switch board. I'm gonna call em tomorrow morning.


Remember ppl, that even if we're dealing with a bunch of moneygrabbinwhateverumaycallemwhores, we've gotta stay diplomatic and polite in this naggin strat ;)

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

YES! there number is toll free! lol.

This could be fun :P

[WANTED]

Really sucks but I do know that especially with DLC on consoles it's a major pain in the arse to get released quickly. If this were PC, no biggie, the developer could put it up just as easy. Problem is with Microsoft and Sony, they have pretty strict guidelines in regards to approving content on their platforms. One stupid misprint, etc, the candidate release is rejected and you have to fix the issue. Then resubmit and your at the back of the line again.

Since Anton hasn't said otherwise, it appears the DLC is just waiting to get moved up in the que for approval. This could be a month or even longer unfortunately....who knows.

[Mr Greezy]

Let me just say that although I can't wait for the patch and additional cockpits, etc, this game is far from "dying". I play it constantly. I'm always trying to find people to get sim matches started, and when we get one going it's usually insanely fun. None of these problems seriously destroy the gameplay. If they were fixed, it would be better, but the game isn't a total wash because of them.

Why bother assaulting the devs on the forum? Offering criticism is one thing, but threatening to "trade the game back in" or not buy it in the first place is really childish. Or just spending time ranting at the devs, what's the point? I dunno. I suppose I'm doing the same thing, but only at the ranters...I just don't think it's constructive to tear people apart, especially since it's not even their fault. I know I'm late to the party on this thread but I thought I'd say my piece.

See you in the game...so that I may own you and make you realize the errors of your ways. Messerschmitt, what-WHAT!!!??!

[Tentacle19]

They really blew it with the terrible multiplayer interface for PSN. Call of duty has a great system they could have modeled it on. BOP was the reason I bought a PS3 last year.( a bit of a let down to say the least) Lets hope it can be fixed. I can't get an MP game so I don't really try anymore. The single player just doesn't cut it. I guess the positive thing is that I don't spend as much time gaming right now.

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

They really blew it with the terrible multiplayer interface for PSN. Call of duty has a great system they could have modeled it on. BOP was the reason I bought a PS3 last year.( a bit of a let down to say the least) Lets hope it can be fixed. I can't get an MP game so I don't really try anymore. The single player just doesn't cut it. I guess the positive thing is that I don't spend as much time gaming right now.

Best mulitplayer set-up for anygame I've played was Resistance: FoM 1.

That had a great party system, ingame clans/friends list, medals, awards, and a lobby system.

[Rabin]

It's violation of TCRs, to have tweakable deadzone on X360.

Which is why the game doesn't work well on 360... :(

[Spitfire23]

Best mulitplayer set-up for anygame I've played was Resistance: FoM 1.

That had a great party system, ingame clans/friends list, medals, awards, and a lobby system.

yeah i used to own it. definately one of the best multiplayer experiences ive played.

Plus i loved how when you spoke through the MIC your characters mouth moved along with it.

[Monkeynuts]

Unfortunately it could have been a great game, if only it had been patched in time. Most people I know are now moving on to MW2 and Uncharted 2.

Sad, but time and tide wait for no man in video gaming.

[IiI GUNNY IiI]

Ok be as flippant as you like in reply.I know Ill hear a reply saying how sad they are said "tong in cheek"BUT I AM Done
I waited over 4 years for a ww2 flight sim .and could we have released it any poorer lets see.
1.released with controls jacked up to high ..
so tons of people"remembers gamers are STUPIED"Think its unplayable .
2.very bad message on multiplier lobby so lots of people"BACK TO THAT GAMERS ARE STUPIED THING"think theres no online play.
3.only U.S fighter p-51 is bad.a slap in the face for U.S players.
4.NO T.V ADDS AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5.THE PATCH..LETS stop calling it a update or a patch its a repair,and are we getting itbefore XMAS..
Im done I only play 2 game much anyway.Over G,& LI-2, so why the bother I was offered 100.00 for my Xbox,and and some other money for my games.SO
SOLD>>IM OUT not just from this game but from XBOX .The disappointment of waiting this long for a ww2 flyer and then for it to be made so well,but to have just enough key problems to kill it" and its DEAD "YES IT IS "I found about 4 games in two hours last night" ..WELL and then to wait this long for the REPAIR<<lol SCREW IT.IM out ..BACK TO Playing real golf.Ill have more time with the my wife and kids anyway..BY,BY ALL

[LostInSpace]

Ok be as flippant as you like in reply.I know Ill hear a reply saying how sad they are said "tong in cheek"BUT I AM Done
I waited over 4 years for a ww2 flight sim .and could we have released it any poorer lets see.
1.released with controls jacked up to high ..
so tons of people"remembers gamers are STUPIED"Think its unplayable .
2.very bad message on multiplier lobby so lots of people"BACK TO THAT GAMERS ARE STUPIED THING"think theres no online play.
3.only U.S fighter p-51 is bad.a slap in the face for U.S players.
4.NO T.V ADDS AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5.THE PATCH..LETS stop calling it a update or a patch its a repair,and are we getting itbefore XMAS..
Im done I only play 2 game much anyway.Over G,& LI-2, so why the bother I was offered 100.00 for my Xbox,and and some other money for my games.SO
SOLD>>IM OUT not just from this game but from XBOX .The disappointment of waiting this long for a ww2 flyer and then for it to be made so well,but to have just enough key problems to kill it" and its DEAD "YES IT IS "I found about 4 games in two hours last night" ..WELL and then to wait this long for the REPAIR<<lol SCREW IT.IM out ..BACK TO Playing real golf.Ill have more time with the my wife and kids anyway..BY,BY ALL

Gunny, my 7th grade English teacher is now killing little bunnies because of your post.

[phlux]

LOL! No doubt. Probably puppies and kittens too.

[IiI GUNNY IiI]

Gunny, my 7th grade English teacher is now killing little bunnies because of your post.
The post was not intended to be graded by the grammar police.By the way to post something about someone grammar on a forum post Was rated "I am a disc jockey and keep up with things like this"As the number 1 most juvenile act on the internet.A open forum is not something that ANYONE takes the time to proof read or correct grammer ""SEE IT A FORUM" YOU PERTINACIOUS JERK.

[FilthyPrick]

Gunny, my 7th grade English teacher is now killing little bunnies because of your post.

Do not feed the TROLL - This retard is fishing all over the forum!!

[LostInSpace]

Do not feed the TROLL - This retard is fishing all over the forum!!

Wait, I thought you said you were leaving?

[FilthyPrick]

So because we express concerns about a game that we are all still playing, despite several issues, that means that we don't know how much hard work went into the production of this game?

Do not feed the TROLL - This retard is fishing all over the forum!!

[IiI GUNNY IiI]

Do not feed the TROLL - This retard is fishing all over the forum!!
LOL I hope he is the troll!!!!...I figure he has not replied back because he is still looking up the word pretentious...

[LostInSpace]

LOL I hope he is the troll!!!!...I figure he has not replied back because he is still looking up the word pretentious...

Yes you are right. I have no idea what the word pretentious means....

[IiI GUNNY IiI]

LOL I hope he is the troll!!!!...I figure he has not replied back because he is still looking up the word pretentious...

ok sorry.PERTINACIOUS

Main Entry: per·ti·na·cious
Pronunciation: \ˌpər-tə-ˈnā-shəs\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin pertinac-, pertinax, from per- thoroughly + tenac-, tenax tenacious, from tenēre
Date: 1626
1 a : adhering resolutely to an opinion, purpose, or design b : perversely persistent
2 : stubbornly tenacious

now he will have to look up Tenacious

[Ancient Seraph]

Do not feed the TROLL - This retard is fishing all over the forum!!

LOL I hope he is the troll!!!!...I figure he has not replied back because he is still looking up the word pretentious...

LostInSpace has made some unnecessary comments, which could be interpreted as insulting, but he's not here just to insult people or similar. No reason to start posting 'He's a troll!' all over the forum. It makes you look more like one than him.

[IiI GUNNY IiI]

Main Entry: pre·ten·tious
Pronunciation: \pri-ˈten(t)-shəs\
Function: adjective
Etymology: French prétentieux, from prétention pretension, from Medieval Latin pretention-, pretentio, from Latin praetendere
Date: 1832
1 : characterized by pretension: as a : making usually unjustified or excessive claims (as of value or standing) <the pretentious fraud who assumes a love of culture that is alien to him — Richard Watts> b : expressive of affected, unwarranted, or exaggerated importance, worth, or stature <pretentious language> <pretentious houses>
2 : making demands on one's skill, ability, or means : ambitious <the pretentious daring of the Green Mountain Boys in crossing the lake — American Guide Series: Vermont>

[fuzzychickens]

Gunny, my 7th grade English teacher is now killing little bunnies because of your post.

Killing little bunnies? I wonder if that is an acceptable teaching style. They need to adopt this method in science and math in America.

[LostInSpace]

Main Entry: pre·ten·tious
Pronunciation: \pri-ˈten(t)-shəs\
Function: adjective
Etymology: French prétentieux, from prétention pretension, from Medieval Latin pretention-, pretentio, from Latin praetendere
Date: 1832
1 : characterized by pretension: as a : making usually unjustified or excessive claims (as of value or standing) <the pretentious fraud who assumes a love of culture that is alien to him — Richard Watts> b : expressive of affected, unwarranted, or exaggerated importance, worth, or stature <pretentious language> <pretentious houses>
2 : making demands on one's skill, ability, or means : ambitious <the pretentious daring of the Green Mountain Boys in crossing the lake — American Guide Series: Vermont>

OK I'm calling a truce. Your copy and paste skills are amazing BTW. ;) I can see my dry sense of humor doesn't translate well. Some of you guys need to lighten up a little OK? Learn to laugh at yourself and stop talking things so personally.

[PapaBoon]

Alas...LostInSpace, you propose an elusive request!

Most forums are taken for the gospel truth and posters are as protective as a mama bear with her cubs!:grin:

[LostInSpace]

Alas...LostInSpace, you propose an elusive request!

Most forums are taken for the gospel truth and posters are as protective as a mama bear with her cubs!:grin:

Unfortunately you are right Papa. I guess we're all a little pissy because most of us like this game but yet it's got some issues that keep us from getting full enjoyment.

[DoraNine]

Cool -- just in time for some "Grade A" flaming!! You guys never fail to disappoint!! Let me put on some popcorn and get comfortable -- it's kind of boring here at the office:eek:

[Ancient Seraph]

Cool -- just in time for some "Grade A" flaming!! You guys never fail to disappoint!! Let me put on some popcorn and get comfortable -- it's kind of boring here at the office:eek:
Actually, you're a bit late. Every forum should have a sticky 'Flame here', so it'd all stay there.

[philabong2]

Ok be as flippant as you like in reply.I know Ill hear a reply saying how sad they are said "tong in cheek"BUT I AM Done
I waited over 4 years for a ww2 flight sim .and could we have released it any poorer lets see.
1.released with controls jacked up to high ..
so tons of people"remembers gamers are STUPIED"Think its unplayable .
2.very bad message on multiplier lobby so lots of people"BACK TO THAT GAMERS ARE STUPIED THING"think theres no online play.
3.only U.S fighter p-51 is bad.a slap in the face for U.S players.
4.NO T.V ADDS AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5.THE PATCH..LETS stop calling it a update or a patch its a repair,and are we getting itbefore XMAS..
Im done I only play 2 game much anyway.Over G,& LI-2, so why the bother I was offered 100.00 for my Xbox,and and some other money for my games.SO
SOLD>>IM OUT not just from this game but from XBOX .The disappointment of waiting this long for a ww2 flyer and then for it to be made so well,but to have just enough key problems to kill it" and its DEAD "YES IT IS "I found about 4 games in two hours last night" ..WELL and then to wait this long for the REPAIR<<lol SCREW IT.IM out ..BACK TO Playing real golf.Ill have more time with the my wife and kids anyway..BY,BY ALL

funny u mention golf cause I actually feel like i could've/should've waited a few months b4 buying this game (until the patch comes out) and enjoy a few last rounds. Fall has arrived up here and i may have played my last round of the year like a month ago (like the weekend b4 i bought this game) without even knowing it. I've been enjoying/cussing/hoping for the patch to this game pretty much evryday since, kinda waisting the few last sunny days b4 the long winter months...

Oh well... there are worst things happening in the world i guess, and i'm nowhere near the level of frustration required to go and sell my ps3, or BoP. Hope the patch comes soon enough and b worth the wait so ppl like you who left b/c of all the issues will b back to it and take this game to its full potential... hope in not dreamin here:(

[Riceball]

Ok be as flippant as you like in reply.I know Ill hear a reply saying how sad they are said "tong in cheek"BUT I AM Done
I waited over 4 years for a ww2 flight sim .and could we have released it any poorer lets see.
1.released with controls jacked up to high ..
so tons of people"remembers gamers are STUPIED"Think its unplayable .
2.very bad message on multiplier lobby so lots of people"BACK TO THAT GAMERS ARE STUPIED THING"think theres no online play.
3.only U.S fighter p-51 is bad.a slap in the face for U.S players.
4.NO T.V ADDS AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5.THE PATCH..LETS stop calling it a update or a patch its a repair,and are we getting itbefore XMAS..
Im done I only play 2 game much anyway.Over G,& LI-2, so why the bother I was offered 100.00 for my Xbox,and and some other money for my games.SO
SOLD>>IM OUT not just from this game but from XBOX .The disappointment of waiting this long for a ww2 flyer and then for it to be made so well,but to have just enough key problems to kill it" and its DEAD "YES IT IS "I found about 4 games in two hours last night" ..WELL and then to wait this long for the REPAIR<<lol SCREW IT.IM out ..BACK TO Playing real golf.Ill have more time with the my wife and kids anyway..BY,BY ALL

If flight SIMs are the only types of games you like to play, then you need a PC. But I agree, the "repair" is much needed and we should have had it a month ago.

[dazz1971]

LostInSpace has made some unnecessary comments, which could be interpreted as insulting, but he's not here just to insult people or similar. No reason to start posting 'He's a troll!' all over the forum. It makes you look more like one than him.

mate you should give up learning to fly and join the police

on a side note anyone here remember a character played by harry enfield ??? oooh you dont wanna do that;)

[FOZ_1983]

mate you should give up learning to fly and join the police

on a side note anyone here remember a character played by harry enfield ??? oooh you dont wanna do that;)

Hello, my name is jurgen the german, i like zis country it is very nice..................


i feel i should apologise for my countries behaviour during zeee var. hahaha

[dazz1971]

Hello, my name is jurgen the german, i like zis country it is very nice..................


i feel i should apologise for my countries behaviour during zeee var. hahaha

lmao you dont wanna do that you wanna do it like this :grin:

[elneilios]

505 games are "a little bit woooaahh, a little bit waaayyy, a little bit shwee shweee shweee shweee *moves hands back and forth*". BRING BACK THE FAST SHOW!!

[juz1]

Patches for Biatches...




can someone please make a thread outlining who we should all be bitchin at instead of each other...numbers, emails etc cos I want this mutherfudgin game to get more popular...
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[jimn10]

Anton

Thanks for the game - it's brilliant. I'm personally sick of all the whinging on these forums. I'm having a ball playing it and if I have to wait a little while for the patch - no big deal.

Ordered an aviator today on the back of how good this game is. I know the patches will make it even better and also hopefully you will make enough to develop other games like this.

Yours happily

Jimn10

[Yossarian]

I have to be honest I've joined the dark side. I saw both Borderlands and Forza 3 on sale last weekend and decided to trade in IL2. The MP was underpopulated from day one, especially on realistic and sim mode, the patch turned into vapourware, the German cockpits never materialised, unrealistic goals for MP unlocks and 800msp for the DLC all told me this game was never going to have a decent community or worth hanging onto.

Shame I wanted this game for years, but that they never tested it enough to find out it's very hard to be credited with a kill online, killed this game stone dead online, the day it launched. Most people tried it once and never came back, that's if they were lucky enough not to be confused by the stupid message about the server being down when there were simply no servers running when searching and had actually found a game.


I'll probably be back if they ever make a sequel, but FFS test the MP next time, a shoot down = a kill and better lobbies please.

[FOZ_1983]

youve not traded in BS:Pacific have you?

a few of us on here have that game, we should all get a game in.

[thoarax]

Anton

Thanks for the game - it's brilliant. I'm personally sick of all the whinging on these forums. I'm having a ball playing it and if I have to wait a little while for the patch - no big deal.

Ordered an aviator today on the back of how good this game is. I know the patches will make it even better and also hopefully you will make enough to develop other games like this.

Yours happily

Jimn10

quick question, whats choad taste like?

[Yossarian]

No I still have BS-P.

It's still underpopulated online but during the evening and weekends servers are always to be found.

I would have loved IL BOP to have been a treasured keeper game for me like the BS games because I do niche/realistc/sim and enjoy it, but as much as I loved dogfighing in my Spit Mk XVI it was nearly impossible to ever find a game. I must have played the same 20 people ever only.

I'll be back for the sequel (fingers crossed we get one) but I want a much better MP set up and less division of players across 3 difficulties, scrap arcade and sim and make realistic an excellent balance between them. Realistc flight models, gunnery and damage with arcade style view, padlocks and navigation. One community, one game.

[jimn10]

quick question, whats choad taste like?

Thoarax

I bet you live in the US

Regards


Jimn10

[FOZ_1983]

Thoarax

I bet you live in the US

Regards


Jimn10

Meaning??

So your steroetyping all americans purely on what one guy says? This makes you no better than him im afraid ;)

[Riceball]

Yeah, 'cuz America is full of smartass pricks..... oh wait.

Grow up.

[dazz1971]

quick question, whats choad taste like?

LMAO!!!!!!!!


quick question from a dumb brit what the hell is choad ???

[FOZ_1983]

LMAO!!!!!!!!


quick question from a dumb brit what the hell is choad ???

I though "choad" was a universal word??

ah well guess not.


I "think" it refers to penis/cock/meat n to veg

[dazz1971]

I though "choad" was a universal word??

ah well guess not.


I "think" it refers to penis/cock/meat n to veg


ahh i c lol nah ive never heard it called it that before well you learn somthing new everyday lol:grin:

[Riceball]

Ha!

It's a little old school, but I believe it's a term for scrotum.

[FOZ_1983]

ahh i c lol nah ive never heard it called it that before well you learn somthing new everyday lol:grin:


were english mate, we dont use it because it doesnt "sound" offensive when you say it :P lol

[dazz1971]

were english mate, we dont use it because it doesnt "sound" offensive when you say it :P lol


lmao !! i can relate to that buddy:grin:

[Yossarian]

ahh i c lol nah ive never heard it called it that before well you learn somthing new everyday lol:grin:

I was under the impression a choad was poo, so he was basically accusing him of having his 'tongue up their arse' for his praising of the devs.

[Doktorwzzerd]

I'll be back for the sequel (fingers crossed we get one) but I want a much better MP set up and less division of players across 3 difficulties, scrap arcade and sim and make realistic an excellent balance between them. Realistc flight models, gunnery and damage with arcade style view, padlocks and navigation. One community, one game.

DEVS DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS MAN, HE IS INSANE!:-) Jk, but if it don't got a pure sim mode, I ain't playing it. Target acquisition and tracking is a part of the skill set, either get good at it or play realistic but we should still have the option IMO. I take your point on one community but there are different levels of server for the PC vers. like virtual cockpit/closed cockpit, historical servers, ones with ID tags on etc. and that community thrives. The plain fact is not enough players either bought or have stuck with the game, probably due mainly to a really bad lobby system and a demo that highlights the games flaws (bad P-51 flight model).

If there were more people playing, and a more compelling MP system with ranks and stats etc, I think we would see players advancing through the difficulty levels and staying with the game. Lets face it though, I have fun playing MP in BoP but it seems like a bit of an afterthought, is it any surprise it hasn't caught on fire?

[DannyBooze]

yep yep

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

DEVS DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS MAN, HE IS INSANE!:-) Jk, but if it don't got a pure sim mode, I ain't playing it. Target acquisition and tracking is a part of the skill set, either get good at it or play realistic but we should still have the option IMO. I take your point on one community but there are different levels of server for the PC vers. like virtual cockpit/closed cockpit, historical servers, ones with ID tags on etc. and that community thrives. The plain fact is not enough players either bought or have stuck with the game, probably due mainly to a really bad lobby system and a demo that highlights the games flaws (bad P-51 flight model).

If there were more people playing, and a more compelling MP system with ranks and stats etc, I think we would see players advancing through the difficulty levels and staying with the game. Lets face it though, I have fun playing MP in BoP but it seems like a bit of an afterthought, is it any surprise it hasn't caught on fire?

What he said... If anything, scrap everything but sim :P

[DoraNine]

I was actually beginning to like the Sim Mode, but I have a difficult time using the hat switch with the crappy joystick interface -- so it got tedious. Of course, the fact that I can't fly my favorite three planes (190, 190D9, 109G10) in any of the modes pretty much killed my enthusiam for the game. Like I've said -- I'll give the game another shot after it gets updated and see how the planes fly. I can tolerate the interface issues -- but inaccurate models is another matter.

[sloppy_clock]

I was under the impression a choad was poo, so he was basically accusing him of having his 'tongue up their arse' for his praising of the devs.


choad is a 'technical' name for a short but wide cock.

having your tongue up someones arse is called 'tossing the salad'.

[Quinntan]

Of course, preparing salad is just like eating another man's arse. I can see how that name caught on.

[juz1]

HOW THE F*** did this thread get onto "analingus"...

By the way the term is "rimming"...can we get back on thread now please...
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[Riceball]

Lol!

[philabong2]

wow, look at what this game is turning us into!!!
could swear im on sherdog here:)